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The polls are looking a bit tighter for Starmer – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,047
edited October 2023 in General
imageThe polls are looking a bit tighter for Starmer – politicalbetting.com

For a long time my only General Election bet has been that Labour would not get an overall majority. Under the terms of the betting markets they could still have the most seats and have what is an effect an overall majority for me to win.

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  • The idea Gen Z are all vegetarian and vegan is bullshit.

    I've just seen a sign-up list of 65 of them for an event I'm running that asks about special dietary requirements and only 9 are vegetarian or vegan (only 4 are vegan).

    Everyone else? Normal.

    Best not to get into the habit calling meat-eaters 'normal', therefore insinuating that veggie/vegan people are, in some way, abnormal.
    Something common to 86% of a population is pretty much the definition of normal.
    Only uncivilised savages eat meat! :trollface:
    What do civilised savages eat?
    Goats:

    https://twitter.com/search?q=lizard eats goat&src=typed_query
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,766
    edited September 2023
    Reasons why Sunak might just deny Labour an overall majority:

    - memories of the Truss disaster fade (likely but won't be enough by itself)
    - he finally adopts popular policies with traction (unlikely but possible)
    - he stops being wooden and gets the vision thing (unlikely but possible)
    - the media and the public start to despise Starmer (unlikely but possible)
    - a left-wing breakaway party reduces Labour's share (VERY unlikely but just about conceivable)
    - the Lib-Dems start to eat into Labour's share not the Tories' significantly and the Scots Nats stage a recovery (VERY unlikely and unlikely respectively)
    - events, dear boy (by definition very difficult to predict)

    or some combination of the above. Overall, I'd give it a 15-20% chance. But of course it will be much easier to backcast what happened from 2027 and why it had to happen than it is to look ahead now.
  • Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452

    The idea Gen Z are all vegetarian and vegan is bullshit.

    I've just seen a sign-up list of 65 of them for an event I'm running that asks about special dietary requirements and only 9 are vegetarian or vegan (only 4 are vegan).

    Everyone else? Normal.

    FPT

    I'm not a vegetarian - but it is quite out of order to call them abnormal, subnormal, whatever.

    For one thing, the idea that dietary restrictions are wrong will get you into serious trouble at any sensible workplace.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Farooq said:

    ...

    I do find it ironic that those who accused Johnson of lying, cheating, and not suitable for the office of PM ( which was a fair judgment) are now quoting him against Sunak

    Politics hey

    It's that notion of a stopped clock being correct twice a day.
    It's more the enjoyment of watching this twisted wreck of a party autocannibalise. Quote Johnson saying something politically useful, yes. Endorse Johnson, oh hell no.
    For instance, in the last thread I was noting his comments on public transport without endorsing them. I think PBers are too intelligent to assume that if I note that X says Y I necessarily agree with X.
  • Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    1. They are invisible
    2. Whilst they would make less of a mess of things they don't have the brilliant ideas
    3. They don't have the people to communicate the ideas they do have
    4. Even if people thought they had policies and people worth voting for, in FPTP starting 3rd or worse in the vast majority of constituencies, voters will be reluctant to "waste" their vote.

    Otherwise all going well.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    ...

    I do find it ironic that those who accused Johnson of lying, cheating, and not suitable for the office of PM ( which was a fair judgment) are now quoting him against Sunak

    Politics hey

    It's that notion of a stopped clock being correct twice a day.
    It's more the enjoyment of watching this twisted wreck of a party autocannibalise. Quote Johnson saying something politically useful, yes. Endorse Johnson, oh hell no.
    For instance, in the last thread I was noting his comments on public transport without endorsing them. I think PBers are too intelligent to assume that if I note that X says Y I necessarily agree with X.
    Danger, Will Robinson!
    Eh?
  • Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
  • CON ahead soon? 😈
  • Carnyx said:

    The idea Gen Z are all vegetarian and vegan is bullshit.

    I've just seen a sign-up list of 65 of them for an event I'm running that asks about special dietary requirements and only 9 are vegetarian or vegan (only 4 are vegan).

    Everyone else? Normal.

    FPT

    I'm not a vegetarian - but it is quite out of order to call them abnormal, subnormal, whatever.

    For one thing, the idea that dietary restrictions are wrong will get you into serious trouble at any sensible workplace.
    Indeed. I have always found it safer to stick to something neutral like woke, venison munchers.
  • On topic, yes OGH can still land his bet. You can add Scotland to the list of imponderables.
  • CON ahead soon? 😈

    The fightback starts here :lol:
  • CON ahead soon? 😈

    The first two leads in the table are 20 and 21 points. The last two leads in the table are 20 and 21 pts.

    At this rate of progress can't take long Shirley?
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    A 16 year-old would not have a driving licence, which means he is unlikely to own a vehicle.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    ...

    I do find it ironic that those who accused Johnson of lying, cheating, and not suitable for the office of PM ( which was a fair judgment) are now quoting him against Sunak

    Politics hey

    It's that notion of a stopped clock being correct twice a day.
    It's more the enjoyment of watching this twisted wreck of a party autocannibalise. Quote Johnson saying something politically useful, yes. Endorse Johnson, oh hell no.
    For instance, in the last thread I was noting his comments on public transport without endorsing them. I think PBers are too intelligent to assume that if I note that X says Y I necessarily agree with X.
    Danger, Will Robinson!
    Eh?
    If you start a sentence with "I think PBers are too intelligent to..." then you're begging for proof to the contrary. And you'll get it (unlike my reference!).
    The reference is to Lost in Space.. something from the 60s, don't worry about it
    Ah, thank you.

    I do try to think the best of my fellow hominines.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU
  • Stark? Nah, summer is coming.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369
    Farooq said:

    the ambivalence of the Sin Fein MPs

    I reckon you're after a different word than "ambivalence" :lol:

    I thought it was a new collective noun, like an “ignorance of orangemen” or a “blind spot of Irish-Americans”.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,053
    The y-axis should start at 0
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    viewcode said:

    The y-axis should start at 0
    0K, you mean?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,528
    viewcode said:

    The y-axis should start at 0
    Why?

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,899
    edited September 2023
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5km round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25km is a long walk.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,348

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    edited September 2023
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,064
    The recent polls are consistently within the margin of error if you take it that the real figure for the September snapshot is 45-46 Lab, 26-27 Tory. Until we see the next lot (as always) bits of possible drift can't be distinguished from noise.

    Prediction/betting involves educated calculation and reflection about what the most likely unknowns in the future are, and how it changes. This may well be and often is guesswork, but as long as the formbook is fallible it's part of the picture.

    On the polling only a Labour majority is possible. The betting says NOM is a 23% chance. I think it is significantly higher, and NOM remains value.
  • Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
    It also rather depends on his starting point.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,899
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
    Didn't mean you!
  • I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112
    edited September 2023
    algarkirk said:

    The recent polls are consistently within the margin of error if you take it that the real figure for the September snapshot is 45-46 Lab, 26-27 Tory. Until we see the next lot (as always) bits of possible drift can't be distinguished from noise.

    Prediction/betting involves educated calculation and reflection about what the most likely unknowns in the future are, and how it changes. This may well be and often is guesswork, but as long as the formbook is fallible it's part of the picture.

    On the polling only a Labour majority is possible. The betting says NOM is a 23% chance. I think it is significantly higher, and NOM remains value.

    Eyeballing, it seems to me that there was a real, but temporary effect. Polls were stable through July and part of August. Then in August and early September the Tories lost some ground (mainly to Ref rather than Labour). Then Sunak did his meat tax cancellation and the coverage saw a 3-4% gain in the polls. Then people got bored of the meat tax, 7 bins and cancelling climate change and reverted to close to the status quo ante. And here we are.
  • Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Channel 4 are showing Partygate during the Conservative conference. Trailer here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3xY4Q5_nc
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,378

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    You may have missed the green lines in the middle of that 'rainbow' - they're from 1981-2000.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
    Didn't mean you!
    Quite so. It is, actually, interesting how quickly the tourist density thins out either side of Housesteads - though the footpathing has greatly improved in recent decades, partly so the **** in their cars can continue to drive along beside (and for long lengths on top of) the Wall without any regard for pedestrians. It was frightening enough in the 1990s, and is much worse now. Personally, I think they ought to introduce a 20mph limit along the entire sector relating to the Wall.*

    *miles per hour, not milia passuum per horas - the problem being that Roman hours depeneded on the length of day and therefore time of year.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,064

    CON ahead soon? 😈

    Prediction: a proper poll with an under 10 point gap by Christmas. Evidence for this from current trends: Nil. But the election has started and in the current climate meaningless populism shores up the vote, and the Tories in their current guise have plenty more to come. And they have put away the dog whistle and introduced the klaxon.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    The All Blacks have summed up the problems of this WC for me. Usually they are always worth watching but they had their only serious group game on the first night followed by irrelevant matches which aren’t worth watching.

    It’s almost like they aren’t really there as you expect to be watching lots of their games but not worth the time until the knockouts which might be their last game. So two All Blacks games of note.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    More like visting London in September gives one the total gestalt of being a pubic louse in a wrestler's jockstrap.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    I remember the Poll Tax!
  • Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    From what I understand he wants to means test it

    To be honest my wife and I will receive £600 shortly for the winter fuel allowance tax free, so means testing it would be fairer and we would receive nil
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 5,902
    Ed Davey used to be my MP many years ago when he first won Kingston and Surbiton in 1997.

    That was an amazing result winning by just 56 votes , one of which was mine !.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,369
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    More like visting London in September gives one the total gestalt of being a pubic louse in a wrestler's jockstrap.
    When a man is tired of London Louse he is tired of lice.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
    Didn't mean you!
    Quite so. It is, actually, interesting how quickly the tourist density thins out either side of Housesteads - though the footpathing has greatly improved in recent decades, partly so the **** in their cars can continue to drive along beside (and for long lengths on top of) the Wall without any regard for pedestrians. It was frightening enough in the 1990s, and is much worse now. Personally, I think they ought to introduce a 20mph limit along the entire sector relating to the Wall.*

    *miles per hour, not milia passuum per horas - the problem being that Roman hours depeneded on the length of day and therefore time of year.
    Back in the 1980s / 1990s I used to use the military road as an alternative to the A69 when travelling to Newcastle. Even now, it’s probably quicker. Looking forward to levelling up, when the M69 will be a much better alternative.
  • I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    Put like that, Sunak's actions don't seem like a good idea.

    "The party with a massive lead... Let's make ourselves different to them!"
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,172
    MoE stuff for months.

    Labour lead averaging a tadge over 20.

    Labour lead averaging a tadge under 20, as now.

    It might be the start of a more significant polling change. Or it might be another of the oscillations that have been going on for months.

    Conference next. Let's see what has happened once everyone is back from the "seaside".
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,064
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    I remember the Poll Tax!
    Long memory not required. Think back to the disaster of failing to win the unlosable election of 2017 (only called because winning well was certain) following the Dementia Tax.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    edited September 2023
    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Sounds fun. Any politics?
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    But do you want to be like Fareham?

    You might bump into Suella Braverman.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    I remember the Poll Tax!
    So do I; I don’t think we’re quite there yet,

    But the signs are there!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    algarkirk said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    I remember the Poll Tax!
    Long memory not required. Think back to the disaster of failing to win the unlosable election of 2017 (only called because winning well was certain) following the Dementia Tax.
    Yep, but they didn't implement it!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    More like visting London in September gives one the total gestalt of being a pubic louse in a wrestler's jockstrap.
    You speak for yourself! Personally, I have never encountered either a pubic louse or a wrestler’s jockstrap!
  • Two trains collide at Aviemore Station with 2 passengers taken to Raigmore Hospital
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,172

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Channel 4 are showing Partygate during the Conservative conference. Trailer here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3xY4Q5_nc
    Did I hear right that we have an embargoed hour long Panorama next week?

    Now, it could just be someone going undercover in a care home, or that ilk, but maybe this time it isn't.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    I remember the Poll Tax!
    So do I; I don’t think we’re quite there yet,

    But the signs are there!
    Steve Bell had a very nice line in tartan-clad and very grumpy guinea-pigs in his cartoon strip in the Graun. One of his best efforts.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    I remember the Poll Tax!
    If it wasn’t for unionists, we would have a much fairer local income tax in Scotland.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,378

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    I remember the Poll Tax!
    So do I; I don’t think we’re quite there yet,

    But the signs are there!
    The Tories won the next GE after the Poll Tax debacle.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Ayrshire won’t have a climate the same as the IoW in your lifetime. It’ll get wetter, and much milder, but will never have the summer rainfall minimum that the island has because it’s in a different location. Its climate is moving towards that of the SW of Vancouver Island and coastal Oregon.

    In 40-50 years the IoW will have a cool sub-Mediterranean climate with summer drought, similar to Vigo or Porto today, as will Sussex and Southern Kent below the downs. Essex, Suffolk and Estuary Kent will have a climate similar to the modern day Valais in Switzerland. Southern Europe will be a scarcely liveable furnace during summer (not a desert, because humidity will rise too. More like the hot semi desert of coastal Gujarat). In the Middle East and South Asia people will be routinely dying from excess heat and humidity.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    From what I understand he wants to means test it

    To be honest my wife and I will receive £600 shortly for the winter fuel allowance tax free, so means testing it would be fairer and we would receive nil
    Fairer Schmairer, he'll get ripped apart by the pensioner vote. It's political suicide whether or not you think it's a good idea. The man has taken leave of his senses.
    It is something a Labour Chancellor would consider
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    More like visting London in September gives one the total gestalt of being a pubic louse in a wrestler's jockstrap.
    When a man is tired of London Louse he is tired of lice.
    Ye ugly, creepan, blastet wonner,
    Detested, shunn’d, by saunt an sinner,
    How daur ye set your fit upon her,
    Sae fine a Lady!
    Gae somewhere else and seek your dinner,
    On some poor body.

    Swith, in some beggar’s haffet squattle;
    There ye may creep, and sprawl, and sprattle,
    Wi ither kindred, jumping cattle,
    In shoals and nations;
    Whare horn nor bane ne’er daur unsettle,
    Your thick plantations.

    [...]

    O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
    To see oursels as others see us!
    It wad frae monie a blunder free us
    An foolish notion:
    What airs in dress an gait wad lea’e us,
    And ev’n Devotion!
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    But do you want to be like Fareham?

    You might bump into Suella Braverman.
    I thought Suella was more Cosh 'em?
    Some think she's a nasty cow. Plain and simple.

    (Too niche?)
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 5,902
    Pro_Rata said:

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Channel 4 are showing Partygate during the Conservative conference. Trailer here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3xY4Q5_nc
    Did I hear right that we have an embargoed hour long Panorama next week?

    Now, it could just be someone going undercover in a care home, or that ilk, but maybe this time it isn't.
    I doubt it will be anything politically related re the government as the Tories will be apoplectic especially with the timing .
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Sounds fun. Any politics?
    The main politics was the revolt of the Barty tendency against the NIMBYs. Leaving the Lib Dems with accidentally the most pro housebuilding policy of all the parties.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Channel 4 are showing Partygate during the Conservative conference. Trailer here:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3xY4Q5_nc
    Did I hear right that we have an embargoed hour long Panorama next week?

    Now, it could just be someone going undercover in a care home, or that ilk, but maybe this time it isn't.
    Yes. I did have an inkling as to the subject of Panorama's exposé but I've forgotten. It was probably wrong anyway.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,064

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
    Didn't mean you!
    Quite so. It is, actually, interesting how quickly the tourist density thins out either side of Housesteads - though the footpathing has greatly improved in recent decades, partly so the **** in their cars can continue to drive along beside (and for long lengths on top of) the Wall without any regard for pedestrians. It was frightening enough in the 1990s, and is much worse now. Personally, I think they ought to introduce a 20mph limit along the entire sector relating to the Wall.*

    *miles per hour, not milia passuum per horas - the problem being that Roman hours depeneded on the length of day and therefore time of year.
    Back in the 1980s / 1990s I used to use the military road as an alternative to the A69 when travelling to Newcastle. Even now, it’s probably quicker. Looking forward to levelling up, when the M69 will be a much better alternative.
    Have used it loads over the years, both as a better route and for fun. Plus you get a free rollercoaster ride.

    The extension of the Roman road (B6318) from Gilsland to Langholm is one of the wonderful unknown journeys no-one ever does and veers all over the place so much you can get lost on this ostensibly fairly major road which isn't.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 5,902
    edited September 2023
    My biggest fear for Labour is that if the polls remain like this next year they might do something risky in terms of policy.

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    From what I understand he wants to means test it

    To be honest my wife and I will receive £600 shortly for the winter fuel allowance tax free, so means testing it would be fairer and we would receive nil
    Fairer Schmairer, he'll get ripped apart by the pensioner vote. It's political suicide whether or not you think it's a good idea. The man has taken leave of his senses.
    It is something a Labour Chancellor would consider
    Means testing has various disadvantages- messy edge effects, discouraging saving, a tendency for some needy people not to claim.

    Making various goodies taxable, on the other hand...
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112
    In my second home town of Macon, Saône et Loire, September is finishing with an average daytime max temperature of 28.3C. The first 3 days of October will be in the 30s.

    This is not normal.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,378

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
    Plenty of countries are going to end up with a significantly worse climate. Not colder but worse.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
    Fortunately for you this is one area where I think the risks have been exaggerated. Mainstream climate science puts a shutdown at no more than 20-30% likelihood.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,378
    TimS said:

    In my second home town of Macon, Saône et Loire, September is finishing with an average daytime max temperature of 28.3C. The first 3 days of October will be in the 30s.

    This is not normal.

    It might be now :-(
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228
    viewcode said:

    The y-axis should start at 0
    0 celsius is pretty arbitrary, so I assume you mean Kelvin.
  • TimS said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
    Fortunately for you this is one area where I think the risks have been exaggerated. Mainstream climate science puts a shutdown at no more than 20-30% likelihood.
    'no more than 20-30% likelihood'

    Phew!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,378
    viewcode said:

    The y-axis should start at 0
    Nonsense.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,172
    edited September 2023

    Two trains collide at Aviemore Station with 2 passengers taken to Raigmore Hospital

    Flying Scotsman involved apparently.

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/transport/6204595/two-trains-collided-near-aviemore/
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,348

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    From what I understand he wants to means test it

    To be honest my wife and I will receive £600 shortly for the winter fuel allowance tax free, so means testing it would be fairer and we would receive nil
    I think a better solution is to tax it, and free bus passes. If you are poor it will cost you nothing. If you're well off, you pay 40% tax or more.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,378
    TimS said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
    Fortunately for you this is one area where I think the risks have been exaggerated. Mainstream climate science puts a shutdown at no more than 20-30% likelihood.
    So that's a 20-30% likelihood of Britain becoming uninhabitable - that's ok then.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,378
    Barnesian said:

    Farooq said:

    I have no idea how the polls develop but Sunak seems to be making a clear dividing line between the conservatives and labour

    Also

    Kiwis 49 Italy 3 at half time

    Europe needs just 8 wins in the remaining 20 to win the Ryder Cuo

    He's also making a clear dividing line between Conservatives and sense. Scrapping the winter fuel allowance? I can't remember anything as crazy as that and I'm old enough to remember Brexit.
    From what I understand he wants to means test it

    To be honest my wife and I will receive £600 shortly for the winter fuel allowance tax free, so means testing it would be fairer and we would receive nil
    I think a better solution is to tax it, and free bus passes. If you are poor it will cost you nothing. If you're well off, you pay 40% tax or more.
    Apply NI to pension/investment income too.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 5,902
    TimS said:

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Sounds fun. Any politics?
    The main politics was the revolt of the Barty tendency against the NIMBYs. Leaving the Lib Dems with accidentally the most pro housebuilding policy of all the parties.
    That was an unfortunate vote . The Tories will go full on the Lib Dems are going to turn your town into a housing estate on steroids.

    The Lib Dem target seats are full of NIMBYISTS and you have to play the hand your dealt . It was shortsighted and self-defeating to vote for that .

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    TimS said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Ayrshire won’t have a climate the same as the IoW in your lifetime. It’ll get wetter, and much milder, but will never have the summer rainfall minimum that the island has because it’s in a different location. Its climate is moving towards that of the SW of Vancouver Island and coastal Oregon.

    In 40-50 years the IoW will have a cool sub-Mediterranean climate with summer drought, similar to Vigo or Porto today, as will Sussex and Southern Kent below the downs. Essex, Suffolk and Estuary Kent will have a climate similar to the modern day Valais in Switzerland. Southern Europe will be a scarcely liveable furnace during summer (not a desert, because humidity will rise too. More like the hot semi desert of coastal Gujarat). In the Middle East and South Asia people will be routinely dying from excess heat and humidity.
    I know! Shite, isn’t it?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    edited September 2023
    Pro_Rata said:

    Two trains collide at Aviemore Station with 2 passengers taken to Raigmore Hospital

    Flying Scotsman involved apparently.
    Ah, the steam loco rather than the named train, apparently. It sounds as if it the loco ran into a stationary carriage on the platform with the preserved Strathmore Railway rather than the Scotrail main line, but the latter has (unsurprisingly) been closed as it'd have been on the adjacent platform.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/23824696.multiple-injuries-two-trains-collide-aviemore/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,452
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
    I think the people of the Tuvalu and the Maldives might have a good claim too
    And Bangladesh.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,064
    nico679 said:

    My biggest fear for Labour is that if the polls remain like this next year they might do something risky in terms of policy.

    I may be wrong but I think only two approaches to policy, apart from retail trivia like VAT on other people's schools and Fair Isle jampot cover collections to be exempt from IHT, are possible. Before the election you are going to have to guess and after the election you are going to have to wait and see.

    And when you consider how any sort of honesty and integrity in electioneering is treated both by the media and voter it is not possible to blame them.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    More like visting London in September gives one the total gestalt of being a pubic louse in a wrestler's jockstrap.
    When a man is tired of London Louse he is tired of lice.
    Ye ugly, creepan, blastet wonner,
    Detested, shunn’d, by saunt an sinner,
    How daur ye set your fit upon her,
    Sae fine a Lady!
    Gae somewhere else and seek your dinner,
    On some poor body.

    Swith, in some beggar’s haffet squattle;
    There ye may creep, and sprawl, and sprattle,
    Wi ither kindred, jumping cattle,
    In shoals and nations;
    Whare horn nor bane ne’er daur unsettle,
    Your thick plantations.

    [...]

    O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
    To see oursels as others see us!
    It wad frae monie a blunder free us
    An foolish notion:
    What airs in dress an gait wad lea’e us,
    And ev’n Devotion!
    But if the lady was Suella Braverman 😆
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,172

    TimS said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
    Fortunately for you this is one area where I think the risks have been exaggerated. Mainstream climate science puts a shutdown at no more than 20-30% likelihood.
    So that's a 20-30% likelihood of Britain becoming uninhabitable - that's ok then.
    Shut down of the gulf stream doesn't make us uninhabitable. We'll still be maritime.

    Broadly, quite dry, very grey, bits of east coast drizzle, and temperature averages dropping by more from current the further north you get - a steeper temperature gradient with Scotland getting a lot colder and London staying close to current.

    And I guess we'll still get the odd bit from the south, West and east to mix it up a bit, just a lot less than now.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    TimS said:

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Sounds fun. Any politics?
    The main politics was the revolt of the Barty tendency against the NIMBYs. Leaving the Lib Dems with accidentally the most pro housebuilding policy of all the parties.
    TimS said:

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Sounds fun. Any politics?
    The main politics was the revolt of the Barty tendency against the NIMBYs. Leaving the Lib Dems with accidentally the most pro housebuilding policy of all the parties.
    But not in their own constituency.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,194

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    But they'll get guaranteed coverage in an election campaign, which may be part of why the party often over-performs its midterm polling.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112
    Pro_Rata said:

    TimS said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Temperature are higher than during the little ice age? Shock, horror!
    It's up a degree in my lifetime!
    Another few degrees and Scotland would have a pleasant climate. Every time I went down south it seemed 10 degrees warmer. I would like Ayrshire to have have the same climate that the Isle Of Wight currently has. Selfish? Moi?
    Global heating might just have the opposite effect on Scotland. Things are warmer in Scotland than they "should" be. If fluid circulation changes due to melting sea ice, we might find our climate turning more Faroe than Fareham
    Knowing Scotland’s luck, global warming will halt the gulf stream, and we will be the only country on earth with a worse climate.
    Fortunately for you this is one area where I think the risks have been exaggerated. Mainstream climate science puts a shutdown at no more than 20-30% likelihood.
    So that's a 20-30% likelihood of Britain becoming uninhabitable - that's ok then.
    Shut down of the gulf stream doesn't make us uninhabitable. We'll still be maritime.

    Broadly, quite dry, very grey, bits of east coast drizzle, and temperature averages dropping by more from current the further north you get - a steeper temperature gradient with Scotland getting a lot colder and London staying close to current.

    And I guess we'll still get the odd bit from the south, West and east to mix it up a bit, just a lot less than now.
    Indeed, not uninhabitable just shit.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,899
    A
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
    Didn't mean you!
    Quite so. It is, actually, interesting how quickly the tourist density thins out either side of Housesteads - though the footpathing has greatly improved in recent decades, partly so the **** in their cars can continue to drive along beside (and for long lengths on top of) the Wall without any regard for pedestrians. It was frightening enough in the 1990s, and is much worse now. Personally, I think they ought to introduce a 20mph limit along the entire sector relating to the Wall.*

    *miles per hour, not milia passuum per horas - the problem being that Roman hours depeneded on the length of day and therefore time of year.
    We cycled it and didn't have any problems (though the Sustrans route is great for keeping you off the main road).

    Incidentally, I think the latest road collision data shows that, for the first time, walking is more dangerous than driving per mile.

    Mr Roberts talks about how safe the roads are - safe for drivers.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112

    TimS said:

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Sounds fun. Any politics?
    The main politics was the revolt of the Barty tendency against the NIMBYs. Leaving the Lib Dems with accidentally the most pro housebuilding policy of all the parties.
    TimS said:

    Barnesian said:

    Incidentally, has the Lib Dem conference ended yet? It's barely been mentioned on here (at least as far as I've seen...), and there's been no threader about it (again, unless I've missed one).

    This seems to sum up the current Lib Dem's main problem: they may have brilliant ideas to sort the country out, but they're so invisible no-one knows about them...

    Yes it has ended. I was at it.

    Disco the first night 'til 1am. Karaoke the second night, Glee club the third night. Quite exhausting but morale very high.
    Packed. And Bournemouth at its sunny best. And 78 policies agreed. We know how to have fun. Wait for the Tory Conference ;)
    Sounds fun. Any politics?
    The main politics was the revolt of the Barty tendency against the NIMBYs. Leaving the Lib Dems with accidentally the most pro housebuilding policy of all the parties.
    But not in their own constituency.
    The great thing with NIMBYism is precisely what the acronym says. You can be massively in favour of housebuilding- concrete over the entire country - just not in your own backyard. Because reasons. I’ve no doubt my more unprincipled Lib Dem allies in marginal seats will deploy this. That’s why NIMBYism is such a compelling ideology.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,194
    viewcode said:

    The y-axis should start at 0
    0°C is arbitrary, however, so there's not much reason why that's a better starting point... or do you want it to start at 0K?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,064

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    A 16 year-old would not have a driving licence, which means he is unlikely to own a vehicle.
    It doesn't quite work like that off road in rural/farming communities, and where the nearest policemen are in Newcastle and Carlisle.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,112
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    viewcode said:

    The y-axis should start at 0
    0°C is arbitrary, however, so there's not much reason why that's a better starting point... or do you want it to start at 0K?
    It’s not arbitrary, it’s the freezing point of water. Less arbitrary than the scale Rees Mogg is planning for us after they win the next motorist’s rights election.
  • Carnyx said:

    The idea Gen Z are all vegetarian and vegan is bullshit.

    I've just seen a sign-up list of 65 of them for an event I'm running that asks about special dietary requirements and only 9 are vegetarian or vegan (only 4 are vegan).

    Everyone else? Normal.

    FPT

    I'm not a vegetarian - but it is quite out of order to call them abnormal, subnormal, whatever.

    For one thing, the idea that dietary restrictions are wrong will get you into serious trouble at any sensible workplace.
    Saying that meat-eaters are normal is not identical to calling vegetarians abnormal or subnormal. One of the delights of the English language is that there are a wide variety of words, and so you can choose the precise word for the precise nuance you want to use. Unusual, for example, would work a lot better, and not carry any of the negative connotations that go along with abnormal.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    algarkirk said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:
    (FPT) Perhaps we were right to wonder how a 16 year-old was an experienced tree feller, and also managed to drive himself to the middle of nowhere, and wasn't it convenient that at his age he'd get a slapped wrist.
    Not quite the middle of nowhere - but with either a non-trivial hike of some hectometres and/or the need for a quad bike.
    It's concerning how many people consider it "a long hike" - it's a 2.5k round trip. Approx 30 mins.

    The normalisation of inactivity. Anything over 25k is a long walk.
    Sure, it's a doddle normally, and I did say hectometres (tenths of a km), but I was thinking in terms of carrying a substantial chainsaw in stormy conditions.
    Didn't mean you!
    Quite so. It is, actually, interesting how quickly the tourist density thins out either side of Housesteads - though the footpathing has greatly improved in recent decades, partly so the **** in their cars can continue to drive along beside (and for long lengths on top of) the Wall without any regard for pedestrians. It was frightening enough in the 1990s, and is much worse now. Personally, I think they ought to introduce a 20mph limit along the entire sector relating to the Wall.*

    *miles per hour, not milia passuum per horas - the problem being that Roman hours depeneded on the length of day and therefore time of year.
    Back in the 1980s / 1990s I used to use the military road as an alternative to the A69 when travelling to Newcastle. Even now, it’s probably quicker. Looking forward to levelling up, when the M69 will be a much better alternative.
    Have used it loads over the years, both as a better route and for fun. Plus you get a free rollercoaster ride.

    The extension of the Roman road (B6318) from Gilsland to Langholm is one of the wonderful unknown journeys no-one ever does and veers all over the place so much you can get lost on this ostensibly fairly major road which isn't.
    Sounds like a great road. Even better than the B6342 from Hexham to Rothbury.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,761
    nico679 said:

    My biggest fear for Labour is that if the polls remain like this next year they might do something risky in terms of policy.

    Not under Starmer!
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