So we’ve done CASTLES, how about BATTLEFIELDS - memorable, haunting, cleverly explained, simply epochal - what are the world’s top ten battlefields?
Top of my head:
Thiepval Ridge and the Somme
Berlin in toto: all the war damage everywhere which you can still see, from 1945
Franklin, Tennessee: hugely evocative, blood stained floorboards your can see where the surgeon did his urgent amputations
Aaaaand as I type that, the air raid sirens go off
Berlin sprung to mind immediately. But also the Normandy beaches.
I’ve never done the Normandy beaches. I should
I’m trying to think of a really evocative battlefield in the UK. I can’t. Tho I’ve never been to Batfle in Hastings
The most powerful war-site in Britain is, to my mind, the extant bomb damage in london from the blitz
If you look hard enough there’s lots of it
You really should. Normandy holds a special place in my heart. I used to spend every Summer there cycling around the the quiet local roads, you go past war graveyard it seems like in almost every village. Brings it home how many lost their lives.
Also, food is tasty and good value for money and worth making visits to Caen and Bayeux whilst you are there. A bit further South in Normandy is Falaise Castle which is interesting to see - the birthplace of William the Bastard.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
So we’ve done CASTLES, how about BATTLEFIELDS - memorable, haunting, cleverly explained, simply epochal - what are the world’s top ten battlefields?
Top of my head:
Thiepval Ridge and the Somme
Berlin in toto: all the war damage everywhere which you can still see, from 1945
Franklin, Tennessee: hugely evocative, blood stained floorboards your can see where the surgeon did his urgent amputations
Aaaaand as I type that, the air raid sirens go off
Somme. All day long. Looking out over that vast expanse of grassland (yes the odd poppy) and thinking: a million men died here.
Yes. This is why WW1 resonates and will resonate more and longer than WW11 in the UK.
Every village however small lost men in WW1, but not in WW11. In villages round here brief biogs of WW1 fallen are still read out in the open air on Remembrance Sunday. People still come. "He has no known grave" are the most haunting words I ever hear.
I stopped at a War Memorial in a local village recently and looked at the names. About the same number in each war, but the sad part was the same surnames repeated in both sections
Generally we as a country lost about half as many dead in WW2 than WW1. In smaller villages in particular there would have been strong continuity of family names.
My maternal gran's lost around 5 brothers in WW2, from around 13 siblings. Big families back then too.
There is large house nearby that was in the same family since the Tudors, but the entire male line was wiped out in WWI
The last surviving female eventually sold to the National Trust...
Pathetic defences of hot and cold taps on here. No wonder British shop stewards were so uniquely destructive in the 60s and 70s.
Let's just clear this up:
a) you aren't British; and b) you don't live in the UK.
Can't you find a forum about Danish politics for Somali ex-pats living in Peru to comment on.
Just a casual bit of racism for a Tuesday afternoon, is it, Topping?
Which bit is racist.
The bit where apparently I’m not British so I don’t get a voice.
You raddled old bigot. Vile, vile individual.
Is being British or ("apparently") not a racial characteristic?
Dunno. Racism is a set of internal cognitive dissonances. No wonder you spout absolute rubbish.
Not what my dictionary says. "racial or ethnic grouping". Which of those is being or not being British?
Stop sealioning, you old racist.
So which racial or ethnic group is "British"?
Dunno. Look it up in your BNP handbook.
You are accusing me of something you can't even define. Not very rigorous of you, now, is it.
When you’re ready to apologise for your bigotry, I’m ready to listen. TTFN.
Here's what I think. I think there is something wholly non-PB related that is occupying your mind and you come on here, as so many PBers have over the years, to vent because at the end of the day we're all internet nobodies and you don't want to take it out on your actual friends or family. And for that reason I am more than happy to be that person on the internet you rant at.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
In a Norwegian house, no less. Turning into an expensive fact finding mission.
Note that Norwegians do lots of cycling and eat venison too. Quite a culture shock.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
It was a very useful discussion - giving a sense of what might and might not be worth thinking about if/when we move.
In any case: insulation is key, whatever happens.
Some of the opinions on here - we'd still be wearing fur jockstraps and eationg woke mammothburgers, never mind this new-fangled woad stuff, if we were so unwilling to consider that furriners might sometimes have good ideas and/or implement them better.
FFS, it was in part UK subjects who invented thermodynamics. Though usually not your Anglican Establishment types, but Presbyterians and Dissenters who knew what work was. Hence the units Kelvin, Joule, Watt. The units of the Gibbs free energy equation - which shows how one can spend a little leccy to shift entropy the right way and get heat for free.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
But Casino is not most people. He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
I have addressed this point up thread.
The issue is its effectiveness over the temperature range outside, its heating velocity and its heating capacity. I am not contending that it doesn't work at all in principle - just that there are limits to it which are being overlooked here.
These all apply to fridges too, where you expect it to chill all the contents from room temperature to 5C slowly, over a couple of hours (but not in minutes).
People are used to getting a boost of heat in minutes from a gas boiler to get all toasty in Winter, or to take a hot bath 15-20 minutes later once the tank is full, so that's the par against which heat pumps will be measured.
To do differently you'd need to mitigate by significant retrofit expense to the home to make it effective or change your lifestyle expectations.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Are you trolling deliberately? Because at this point this the only reasonable conclusion one can reach.
All heat leaches out of homes. It’s what happens to heat! It moves from a hot place to an adjacent cold place. It doesn’t matter what your heat source is: The only question is whether you can inject enough heat into the system to balance losses at your desired temperature (plus a bit extra so you can heat the pace up a bit more quickly from cold if necessary).
Heat pumps have their advantages & disadvantages but this knee jerk “they’ll never work in good old Blighty” attitude is just ridiculous reactionary nonsense. It’s like some kind of inverse wokeness - whatever the “woke” like must be bad, regardless of reality.
Heat leaching is far more important if you don't have the heat capacity or velocity to rapidly replace it, as with gas heating.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
Well true and I'm not putting one in (ground definitely not, air probably not) and I don't have solar panels either so I'm not a great advocate, but I assumed Casino might be a stage up from the bloke in the pub.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
Like most things, there's the version you can get which ticks the boxes of being 'a heat pump' but is either crap (noisy/unreliable) or poorly specced for the task (wrong capacity, other needed works not completed). Particularly true with newer things where repuations by brand/installer etc are less established and it's not clear to the lay man that the £10k solution will really be that much better than the £6k solution).
See also cheap e-bikes burning down houses (and breaking), something that doesn't happen with the properly specced one from an established brand.
Or, indeed, gas boilers, where the cheap crap onces break all the time and rattle like an old Rover.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Oh yes we did. We debated it extensively and no-one was convinced.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Oh yes we did. We debated it extensively and no-one was convinced.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
So we’ve done CASTLES, how about BATTLEFIELDS - memorable, haunting, cleverly explained, simply epochal - what are the world’s top ten battlefields?
Top of my head:
Thiepval Ridge and the Somme
Berlin in toto: all the war damage everywhere which you can still see, from 1945
Franklin, Tennessee: hugely evocative, blood stained floorboards your can see where the surgeon did his urgent amputations
Aaaaand as I type that, the air raid sirens go off
Berlin sprung to mind immediately. But also the Normandy beaches.
I’ve never done the Normandy beaches. I should
I’m trying to think of a really evocative battlefield in the UK. I can’t. Tho I’ve never been to Batfle in Hastings
The most powerful war-site in Britain is, to my mind, the extant bomb damage in london from the blitz
If you look hard enough there’s lots of it
A picture of my home city after the bomb sites had been cleared… when my mother is a bit cranky, I remember that she lived through this when she was six… she recalls going to school in the morning and finding another empty desk in the classroom…
What city is that, please?
To my mind Plymouth & Devonport (including especially the dockyard), and Portsmouth, show the bomb damage a lot more than London where it is spread out. Or they used to. Perhaps more recent urban building has changed that. Exeter too (as Leon remarked as well the other day).
But it can still surprise. Mum's cousin lived in an Orpington cul de sac. I had been there many timwes and it was only when clearing up after her demise that I suddenly realised the implications of the pattern of original roofs ... new flat roofs ... and a different house in the street. And somehwerre in SE London or Kent there is at least one neat round pond left by a V-2, and a wood where scraps of a V-1 still lie.
It’s Kingston-upon-Hull… a BBC documentary told of the blitz on Hull through the lens of a single bomb on a single house… I sobbed throughout…
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
Show me the evidence Norwegians are enjoying nice-hot baths in the depths of Winter using just heat pumps please.
3 heat pumps per 10 Norwegians strongly suggsts that they are saving a lot of other energy even if they need a little leccy to top it up to have a bath hot enough to boil your particular bits to your satisfaction.
Do they use baths or just showers? How new is their housing stock? How well insulated are their homes? How do their district heating systems work? Do they use wood burners or stoves on top?
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Oh yes we did. We debated it extensively and no-one was convinced.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
Bollocks. You were the only one with that view.
Bollocks. It got plenty of likes and plenty were unconvinced.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Oh yes we did. We debated it extensively and no-one was convinced.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
Bollocks. You were the only one with that view.
The main take home message was - could be really good if well insulated (which one should be anyway) and if the house itself permits it (e.g. not a leasehold flat). Entirely reasonable conclusion, and borne out by what furriners do. Also raising important issues about what to do with houses that don't allow it - most obviously insulation (again) and doing something about electricity supply at all levels.
TEN BEST DEATH CAMPS/SITES OF MASS EXTERMINATION (that I’ve visited)
In reverse order
10. Srebrenica 9. That village in France 8. Solovetsky islands 7. Kamanets Podolskiy 6. St Petersburg in toto 5. Teotihuacan 4. Tuol sleng 3. Japanese occupied China 2. Cheoung Ek
And yet again. For the 78th year running. Still way out in front. The death camp that “has it all”. The nation’s favourite
Nor the greatest or the most significant but I found Flodden Field a memorable experience. I think it is the last battle on British soil which saw the death of a king.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Oh yes we did. We debated it extensively and no-one was convinced.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
"Culture war", "war on motorists", "war on taps", "war on cash", "war on the combi-boiler". FFS.
So we’ve done CASTLES, how about BATTLEFIELDS - memorable, haunting, cleverly explained, simply epochal - what are the world’s top ten battlefields?
Top of my head:
Thiepval Ridge and the Somme
Berlin in toto: all the war damage everywhere which you can still see, from 1945
Franklin, Tennessee: hugely evocative, blood stained floorboards your can see where the surgeon did his urgent amputations
Aaaaand as I type that, the air raid sirens go off
Berlin sprung to mind immediately. But also the Normandy beaches.
I’ve never done the Normandy beaches. I should
I’m trying to think of a really evocative battlefield in the UK. I can’t. Tho I’ve never been to Batfle in Hastings
The most powerful war-site in Britain is, to my mind, the extant bomb damage in london from the blitz
If you look hard enough there’s lots of it
A picture of my home city after the bomb sites had been cleared… when my mother is a bit cranky, I remember that she lived through this when she was six… she recalls going to school in the morning and finding another empty desk in the classroom…
What city is that, please?
To my mind Plymouth & Devonport (including especially the dockyard), and Portsmouth, show the bomb damage a lot more than London where it is spread out. Or they used to. Perhaps more recent urban building has changed that. Exeter too (as Leon remarked as well the other day).
But it can still surprise. Mum's cousin lived in an Orpington cul de sac. I had been there many timwes and it was only when clearing up after her demise that I suddenly realised the implications of the pattern of original roofs ... new flat roofs ... and a different house in the street. And somehwerre in SE London or Kent there is at least one neat round pond left by a V-2, and a wood where scraps of a V-1 still lie.
It’s Kingston-upon-Hull… a BBC documentary told of the blitz on Hull through the lens of a single bomb on a single house… I sobbed throughout…
The small towns do often show it more, much more, in far fewer raids, being smaller than London. Also, for instance, Clydebank where roughly a third of houses were destroyed, a third were badly damaged, and a third were plain damaged but repairable. Hence the fragmented and random pattern of prewar stone tenement blocks.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
But Casino is not most people. He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
I have addressed all these points on here today (just for your benefit) in addition to us running through them all exhaustively on here yesterday.
You're more interested in running a Twitter trolling outfit than engaging with them.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
But Casino is not most people. He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
JE Gordon's "New Science of Strong Materials" made the point that classical engineering has been about getting more and more energy compressed into smaller and smaller volumes, and that the future probably lay in collecting and using diffuse energy. That was fifty years ago. Smart chap, one of the last of the WW2 boffins.
It does require a different mindset, though. Less imperial phase Jeremy Clarkson, more James May. And humans (especially British ones) aren't good at changing mindsets. It normally needs a proper crisis, and Britain has been swerving those for ages.
Pathetic defences of hot and cold taps on here. No wonder British shop stewards were so uniquely destructive in the 60s and 70s.
Let's just clear this up:
a) you aren't British; and b) you don't live in the UK.
Can't you find a forum about Danish politics for Somali ex-pats living in Peru to comment on.
Just a casual bit of racism for a Tuesday afternoon, is it, Topping?
Which bit is racist.
The bit where apparently I’m not British so I don’t get a voice.
You raddled old bigot. Vile, vile individual.
Is being British or ("apparently") not a racial characteristic?
Dunno. Racism is a set of internal cognitive dissonances. No wonder you spout absolute rubbish.
Not what my dictionary says. "racial or ethnic grouping". Which of those is being or not being British?
Stop sealioning, you old racist.
So which racial or ethnic group is "British"?
Dunno. Look it up in your BNP handbook.
You are accusing me of something you can't even define. Not very rigorous of you, now, is it.
When you’re ready to apologise for your bigotry, I’m ready to listen. TTFN.
Here's what I think. I think there is something wholly non-PB related that is occupying your mind and you come on here, as so many PBers have over the years, to vent because at the end of the day we're all internet nobodies and you don't want to take it out on your actual friends or family. And for that reason I am more than happy to be that person on the internet you rant at.
Forget woke, trans, single tap heat pumps, I just can't get my head around who the fuck buys a 550 quid shirt. The last shirt I bought was an 80 quid Fox Racing MTB shirt, and I felt ripped off at that!
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Oh yes we did. We debated it extensively and no-one was convinced.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
"Culture war", "war on motorists", "war on taps", "war on cash", "war on the combi-boiler". FFS.
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
But Casino is not most people. He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
JE Gordon's "New Science of Strong Materials" made the point that classical engineering has been about getting more and more energy compressed into smaller and smaller volumes, and that the future probably lay in collecting and using diffuse energy. That was fifty years ago. Smart chap, one of the last of the WW2 boffins.
It does require a different mindset, though. Less imperial phase Jeremy Clarkson, more James May. And humans (especially British ones) aren't good at changing mindsets. It normally needs a proper crisis, and Britain has been swerving those for ages.
I grew up on that book! Used insights from it in my research, in a small but still very worthwhile way.
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
God, you're boring.
Why are you doing this? Yer on holiday with your family, aren't you? Go, enjoy yourself, you'll only get a few years with the little 'uns before they turn woke.
Pathetic defences of hot and cold taps on here. No wonder British shop stewards were so uniquely destructive in the 60s and 70s.
Let's just clear this up:
a) you aren't British; and b) you don't live in the UK.
Can't you find a forum about Danish politics for Somali ex-pats living in Peru to comment on.
Just a casual bit of racism for a Tuesday afternoon, is it, Topping?
Which bit is racist.
The bit where apparently I’m not British so I don’t get a voice.
You raddled old bigot. Vile, vile individual.
Is being British or ("apparently") not a racial characteristic?
Dunno. Racism is a set of internal cognitive dissonances. No wonder you spout absolute rubbish.
Not what my dictionary says. "racial or ethnic grouping". Which of those is being or not being British?
Stop sealioning, you old racist.
So which racial or ethnic group is "British"?
Dunno. Look it up in your BNP handbook.
You are accusing me of something you can't even define. Not very rigorous of you, now, is it.
When you’re ready to apologise for your bigotry, I’m ready to listen. TTFN.
Here's what I think. I think there is something wholly non-PB related that is occupying your mind and you come on here, as so many PBers have over the years, to vent because at the end of the day we're all internet nobodies and you don't want to take it out on your actual friends or family. And for that reason I am more than happy to be that person on the internet you rant at.
Either that or you are a massive, massive twat.
But I think it is the former.
That's exactly what he does.
Don’t we all do that, as @TOPPING rightly implies?
In real life - believe it or not - I am perfectly affable, even charming on a good hair day, and I certainly don’t seek to wind people up for no reason
Nor do I bang on about aliens or AI
I come on here specifically to joust. To vent. To rant about annoyances and weird passions. To give my id free rein
Then I go back to normal life and act normally, my eerie dark energy expended
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Shame. Anyway, time to move on.
Good day.
PUBLISH THE LIST
I'm at the top. He challenged me to a fight a while back. Good times, love you Casino!
Surely Rishi has to announce the cone hotline soon.
We're going through the greatest hits now aren't we?
The cones hotline was an interesting one.
Because there was an actual problem - see the angry memos about it in system… “We coned off a section of road two months before starting work, as we usually do, and a bunch of interfering idiots are making life difficult for us”.
It was a section of government that had no experience of the consumer having a say.
Pathetic defences of hot and cold taps on here. No wonder British shop stewards were so uniquely destructive in the 60s and 70s.
Let's just clear this up:
a) you aren't British; and b) you don't live in the UK.
Can't you find a forum about Danish politics for Somali ex-pats living in Peru to comment on.
Just a casual bit of racism for a Tuesday afternoon, is it, Topping?
Which bit is racist.
The bit where apparently I’m not British so I don’t get a voice.
You raddled old bigot. Vile, vile individual.
Is being British or ("apparently") not a racial characteristic?
Dunno. Racism is a set of internal cognitive dissonances. No wonder you spout absolute rubbish.
Not what my dictionary says. "racial or ethnic grouping". Which of those is being or not being British?
Stop sealioning, you old racist.
So which racial or ethnic group is "British"?
Dunno. Look it up in your BNP handbook.
You are accusing me of something you can't even define. Not very rigorous of you, now, is it.
When you’re ready to apologise for your bigotry, I’m ready to listen. TTFN.
Here's what I think. I think there is something wholly non-PB related that is occupying your mind and you come on here, as so many PBers have over the years, to vent because at the end of the day we're all internet nobodies and you don't want to take it out on your actual friends or family. And for that reason I am more than happy to be that person on the internet you rant at.
Either that or you are a massive, massive twat.
But I think it is the former.
That's exactly what he does.
Don’t we all do that, as @TOPPING rightly implies?
In real life - believe it or not - I am perfectly affable, even charming on a good hair day, and I certainly don’t seek to wind people up for no reason
Nor do I bang on about aliens or AI
I come on here specifically to joust. To vent. To rant about annoyances and weird passions. To give my id free rein
Then I go back to normal life and act normally, my eerie dark energy expended
I'm an arsehole in real life. I come on here to be reasonable and measured, then go back to ranting in the real world, my patience and rationality expended.
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Shame. Anyway, time to move on.
Good day.
PUBLISH THE LIST
Hear, Land o Cakes, and brither Scots, Frae Maidenkirk to Johnie Groat's;- If there's a hole in a your coats, I rede you tent it: A chield's amang you takin notes, And, faith, he'll prent it.
Pathetic defences of hot and cold taps on here. No wonder British shop stewards were so uniquely destructive in the 60s and 70s.
Let's just clear this up:
a) you aren't British; and b) you don't live in the UK.
Can't you find a forum about Danish politics for Somali ex-pats living in Peru to comment on.
Just a casual bit of racism for a Tuesday afternoon, is it, Topping?
Which bit is racist.
The bit where apparently I’m not British so I don’t get a voice.
You raddled old bigot. Vile, vile individual.
Is being British or ("apparently") not a racial characteristic?
Dunno. Racism is a set of internal cognitive dissonances. No wonder you spout absolute rubbish.
Not what my dictionary says. "racial or ethnic grouping". Which of those is being or not being British?
Stop sealioning, you old racist.
So which racial or ethnic group is "British"?
Dunno. Look it up in your BNP handbook.
You are accusing me of something you can't even define. Not very rigorous of you, now, is it.
When you’re ready to apologise for your bigotry, I’m ready to listen. TTFN.
Here's what I think. I think there is something wholly non-PB related that is occupying your mind and you come on here, as so many PBers have over the years, to vent because at the end of the day we're all internet nobodies and you don't want to take it out on your actual friends or family. And for that reason I am more than happy to be that person on the internet you rant at.
Either that or you are a massive, massive twat.
But I think it is the former.
That's exactly what he does.
Don’t we all do that, as @TOPPING rightly implies?
In real life - believe it or not - I am perfectly affable, even charming on a good hair day, and I certainly don’t seek to wind people up for no reason
Nor do I bang on about aliens or AI
I come on here specifically to joust. To vent. To rant about annoyances and weird passions. To give my id free rein
Then I go back to normal life and act normally, my eerie dark energy expended
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
God, you're boring.
Why are you doing this? Yer on holiday with your family, aren't you? Go, enjoy yourself, you'll only get a few years with the little 'uns before they turn woke.
They most certainly won't, because they are very bright.
Forget woke, trans, single tap heat pumps, I just can't get my head around who the fuck buys a 550 quid shirt. The last shirt I bought was an 80 quid Fox Racing MTB shirt, and I felt ripped off at that!
The most expensive shirt I've ever bought was about £30 IIRC.
I wonder if two people post under the Casino_Royale account, it would explain a lot.
I reckon he’s feeling the strain during a tense family holiday in Bulgaria
And he has my entire sympathy. Summer hols with the kids and the partner (and maybe the in-laws?) can be a fucking nightmare. The pressure to have fun. The difficulty of ever really unwinding (esp with kids)
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Shame. Anyway, time to move on.
Good day.
PUBLISH THE LIST
I'm at the top. He challenged me to a fight a while back. Good times, love you Casino!
You're not.
And I don’t think it's helpful to reopen old wounds.
Surely Rishi has to announce the cone hotline soon.
We're going through the greatest hits now aren't we?
The cones hotline was an interesting one.
Because there was an actual problem - see the angry memos about it in system… “We coned off a section of road two months before starting work, as we usually do, and a bunch of interfering idiots are making life difficult for us”.
It was a section of government that had no experience of the consumer having a say.
The Cones Hotline is the stuff of political legend, but I've never understood quite how it actually worked. Presumably, you phoned a number and reported cones on certain stretches of road, but then what happened?
Forget woke, trans, single tap heat pumps, I just can't get my head around who the fuck buys a 550 quid shirt. The last shirt I bought was an 80 quid Fox Racing MTB shirt, and I felt ripped off at that!
Well quite. They don't last any longer, and nobody knows. Unless you wear them inside out.
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
God, you're boring.
Why are you doing this? Yer on holiday with your family, aren't you? Go, enjoy yourself, you'll only get a few years with the little 'uns before they turn woke.
They most certainly won't, because they are very bright.
You really don't know that. And I hope that you'd give them the space to form their own opinion, however misguided you may think they are.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
I am abandoning wrestling with CR over heat pumps...
Strong Ollie Reed and Alan Bates vibes.
The Turkish censor decided to cut that scene from the first grapple to them falling panting onto the carpet. The audience put two and two together and called it “the great buggery scene”!
Surely Rishi has to announce the cone hotline soon.
We're going through the greatest hits now aren't we?
The cones hotline was an interesting one.
Because there was an actual problem - see the angry memos about it in system… “We coned off a section of road two months before starting work, as we usually do, and a bunch of interfering idiots are making life difficult for us”.
It was a section of government that had no experience of the consumer having a say.
The Cones Hotline is the stuff of political legend, but I've never understood quite how it actually worked. Presumably, you phoned a number and reported cones on certain stretches of road, but then what happened?
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
the face isn't quite red enough
You haven't a clue what I look like. It's a creation of stereotypes in your imagination based upon what I write here, which is and of itself interesting, I suppose.
Dura_Ace persists with the overweight middle-aged man stuff, despite me being 6'1" and only 12 stone 5 and me looking rather young for my age.
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Forget woke, trans, single tap heat pumps, I just can't get my head around who the fuck buys a 550 quid shirt. The last shirt I bought was an 80 quid Fox Racing MTB shirt, and I felt ripped off at that!
The most expensive shirt I've ever bought was about £30 IIRC.
IIRC back in Tudor times, a very basic shirt would cost you the equivalent of £250-800 today.
So even the servants to the servants were dressing in Paul Smith…
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Shame. Anyway, time to move on.
Good day.
Did I make it onto the list, CR? 🙏
No, you didn't actually.
I'm top of the list of idiots on my own list, so I don't need to be on yours😁
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Forget woke, trans, single tap heat pumps, I just can't get my head around who the fuck buys a 550 quid shirt. The last shirt I bought was an 80 quid Fox Racing MTB shirt, and I felt ripped off at that!
Well quite. They don't last any longer, and nobody knows. Unless you wear them inside out.
Shooting your cuffs to reveal the classic T&A 3 button cuff isn’t a bad little brag. Except no one gives a fuck in your average Glasgow pub.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
But Casino is not most people. He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
I have addressed all these points on here today (just for your benefit) in addition to us running through them all exhaustively on here yesterday.
You're more interested in running a Twitter trolling outfit than engaging with them.
As a heat pump newbie, I will leave it to others to hold forth on the high temperature heat pump described here
Looks good to me, of course there is a downside "You can expect to pay around 25% more for a high temperature heat pump, which equates to £2,500, on average. However, this is a new market, and we’re confident that prices will come down in the near future as more British homes embrace the technology." It would save a lot of ongoing fuel costs.
New technology is expensive and does drop with greater use. If there is a political will and support they could take off.
Other makes are available. Here are some high temperature heat pump manufacturers Shanghai Highly (Group) Co., Ltd. Siemens Power Genereration T Termogamma Energy Solutions Z Zudek SRL Samsung Panasonic LG Mitsubishi Electric
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
God, you're boring.
Why are you doing this? Yer on holiday with your family, aren't you? Go, enjoy yourself, you'll only get a few years with the little 'uns before they turn woke.
They most certainly won't, because they are very bright.
You really don't know that. And I hope that you'd give them the space to form their own opinion, however misguided you may think they are.
No, I don't, but you proffered to know them better than I did so holding a mirror up to that served some purpose, didn't it?
I will encourage my children to develop critical thinking, and particularly to challenge any fashionable consensus, and to always work things out for themselves from first principles*. If they do that, I don't care if they reach different conclusions to me - I'll be confident they are well-reasoned and could always be subject to change.
[*I've even put that in my will as guidance for their guardians to follow, should the worst happen.]
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Worth pointing out again though as Eek has already mentioned that the vast majority of Scandinavian heat pumps are borehole groundsource not airsource.
Norway were early adopters because, until a couple of decades ago, electricity was almost free due to the hydroelectric system. There was a huge amount of discontent when the Government run power companies started charging real money for leccy.
I've visited the site of the battle of Gettysburg a couple of times, and learned things both times. For instance, having grown up in the West, I still have to remember that standards for what is called a "mountain" are smaller in the East.
Seeing the open field over which Pickett led the charge -- up hill -- amazed me, though I had read about that charge many times before. (Lee recognized immediately that he had blundered, badly.)
And then there are little details. For example, Tammany Hall has a small monument (one of many) in the Union line. Since the Manhattan political machine had named itself after an Indian chief, the monument is a statue of a wigwam.
(Incidentally, one of the best ways to tour the battlefield is by bicycle.)
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
But Casino is not most people. He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
I have addressed all these points on here today (just for your benefit) in addition to us running through them all exhaustively on here yesterday.
You're more interested in running a Twitter trolling outfit than engaging with them.
As a heat pump newbie, I will leave it to others to hold forth on the high temperature heat pump described here
Looks good to me, of course there is a downside "You can expect to pay around 25% more for a high temperature heat pump, which equates to £2,500, on average. However, this is a new market, and we’re confident that prices will come down in the near future as more British homes embrace the technology." It would save a lot of ongoing fuel costs.
New technology is expensive and does drop with greater use. If there is a political will and support they could take off.
Other makes are available. Here are some high temperature heat pump manufacturers Shanghai Highly (Group) Co., Ltd. Siemens Power Genereration T Termogamma Energy Solutions Z Zudek SRL Samsung Panasonic LG Mitsubishi Electric
Thanks. Interesting spec.
Of course, if new technology comes along that delivers the same performance a gas at a reasonable price then I'll be one of the first in the queue to buy a new heat pump.
Why wouldn't I?
I'm just not blindly swallowing the propaganda until they've been proven in British homes.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
I wasn’t here the other day, but if the great mixer debate is any signal, many PBers are simply uncomfortable with technology unless it was personally approved by Stafford Cripps.
I’m sure the Norwegians will be traumatised to hear that they can no longer take hot baths in a cold snap.
It is ok @Gardenwalker you don't have to lose faith in the pb crowd. We didn't conclude what Casino says we concluded at all. Only Casino did. And yes we spent ages on how heat pumps work well in cold climates together with maps of where they are used extensively including Norway and Sweden and that you can have a hot bath via a heat pump. Casino will only agree with that once he has had a hot bath at a neighbours house, which presumably hasn't happened yet.
Oh yes we did. We debated it extensively and no-one was convinced.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
Bollocks. You were the only one with that view.
90% of the time you can predict what someone's view on a particular subject will be from their general position in the so-called "culture wars".
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Thanks but it says "If you have a complaint about Royal Mail, please contact the company directly" I think we all know where that's going to go: 3-letter word starts with b, ends with n, rhymes with sin.
Anyway, today had been fantastic for refreshing my pb idiots list. Several new additions. Some others I thought had moved off it sadly proving they've learned nothing and moved on nowhere.
Shame. Anyway, time to move on.
Good day.
Did I make it onto the list, CR? 🙏
No, you didn't actually.
I'm top of the list of idiots on my own list, so I don't need to be on yours😁
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
God, you're boring.
Why are you doing this? Yer on holiday with your family, aren't you? Go, enjoy yourself, you'll only get a few years with the little 'uns before they turn woke.
They most certainly won't, because they are very bright.
You really don't know that. And I hope that you'd give them the space to form their own opinion, however misguided you may think they are.
No, I don't, but you proffered to know them better than I did so holding a mirror up to that served some purpose, didn't it?
I will encourage my children to develop critical thinking, and particularly to challenge any fashionable consensus, and to always work things out for themselves from first principles*. If they do that, I don't care if they reach different conclusions to me - I'll be confident they are well-reasoned and could always be subject to change.
[*I've even put that in my will as guidance for their guardians to follow, should the worst happen.]
Fuck me, you're a tetchy sod lately. I didn't profess to know them better than you, it was a gentle piss take on them being woke when you're the polar opposite. "Holding a mirror up", you pretentious little fuck. I hope one of them turns towards vegan transism, you'll be soiling the back of yer 550 quid shirt 🤣🤣
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Thanks but it says "If you have a complaint about Royal Mail, please contact the company directly" I think we all know where that's going to go: 3-letter word starts with b, ends with n, rhymes with sin.
Sure, but you have to go through all the hoops first. I know, I know. And there will be a time limit to how long they can bin it before you can escalate (even if it is your own common sense),
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
the face isn't quite red enough
That's because the water wasn't hot enough.
You joke, but I bet there will be lots of pb'ers now secretly staying at friends houses with heat pumps overnight in future, on occasion, and asking if they mind if they take a bath.
I am delighted to have come up with this cracking idea.
You might do it normally in any event. And asking a trusted friend, and trying it for yourself for real, is likely to be far more convincing than anything said on here, particularly if coming from a political faction who trolls you and you don't trust.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
Anyone remember when we had a national mail service that collected twice a day from every postbox? Progress, eh!
By no next day service do you mean you can no longer reply to a letter on the same day you receive it? I'm not sure that's ever been guaranteed by the service standards, but it was commonplace.
I think Uxbridge was the catalyst that sparked a whole new narrative not only about the ULEZ scheme but the rush to green policies that many cannot afford and especially with the cost of living crisis
Evs are not affordable for millions, heat pumps are not only unaffordable but in many cases not practical, requiring properties to have a 'c' efficiency rating to be sold is also unaffordable for many, and our 2030 ban on ICE cars is silly when the EU is 2035
I have no idea whether Sunak will benefit from his obvious move to differentiate from Labour, but there are 35 million motorists in the UK who are an important group politicially and indeed the Sun is taking up their cause judging by today's front page
Another one with “heat pump denialism”.
Silly comment just as is saying NZ is used in 50% homes in NZ ( actual figure is 40%) when properties in NZ are very different to the UK
This from the Guardian confirms the high cost and uncertainties chills the heat pump market
Can someone explain why electric boilers can't work instead of heat pumps? Much less disruptive in UK homes where space is very limited.
Electric boilers are only ~98% efficient but heat pumps are 200% - 400% efficient as they are using energy to transfer heat from the external environment into the house rather generating heat directly.
We comprehensively concluded on here yesterday that heat pumps are shit unless you have a Grand Designs Scandi-noir cum Roman villa home, which funnily enough most people don't.
I can earnestly assure you that my 88-yo father does no live in a “scandi-noir cum villa”.
He lives in a 1950s wooden bungalow. And he has a heat pump. And, shock, a mixer tap.
Get into the 21st century, FFS. I thought you worked in engineering. No wonder HS2 is fucked, if this is the level of ambition.
I didn't work on HS2, and look at posts from the other day on precisely the problems with that.
We comprehensively debated and fisked all the problems with heat pumps on here the other day.
They move heat from one place to another, they don't generate it, and are crap except for equilibrium warming to modest modal temperatures, and require very high quality insulation to do even they. Extremely cold snap or a hot bath? Forget it.
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish?
Who cares where the heat comes from so long as it ends up in the home? Generated or moved, it’s the same heat.
& they work fine if specced correctly. Builders failing to spec heating installs is (sadly) not an unusual problem in the UK, but it is a solvable one.
Scientific fact is rubbish? Interesting that's the depth of your intellect.
Heat pumps move heat from outside the home to inside the home. Because they move it and don't generate it the heat is naturally limiting. In other words, there's a limit to how much kJ of energy it can pump, given the ambient air temperature, and the lower the outside temperature the lower that will be. Further, it will tend to "leach" out again unless the heat insulation is very good. That's air to air. If you do air to water then you might get some heat into the radiators but not a lot and converting it into hot water - for a decent bath - is also going to be very disappointing unless you immersion heat it with electricity on top.
These are all facts. Seemingly, beyond your comprehension.
Do you not trust fridges, freezers and air conditioning units then to do their job either then? if not why not?
Most people are not early adopters, and don't understand science. They do understand anecdotal evidence and what other people do. Fridges are not as issue because they work and don't cost much. The bloke in the pub doesn't keep saying they are rubbish.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
But Casino is not most people. He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
I have addressed all these points on here today (just for your benefit) in addition to us running through them all exhaustively on here yesterday.
You're more interested in running a Twitter trolling outfit than engaging with them.
As a heat pump newbie, I will leave it to others to hold forth on the high temperature heat pump described here
Looks good to me, of course there is a downside "You can expect to pay around 25% more for a high temperature heat pump, which equates to £2,500, on average. However, this is a new market, and we’re confident that prices will come down in the near future as more British homes embrace the technology." It would save a lot of ongoing fuel costs.
New technology is expensive and does drop with greater use. If there is a political will and support they could take off.
Other makes are available. Here are some high temperature heat pump manufacturers Shanghai Highly (Group) Co., Ltd. Siemens Power Genereration T Termogamma Energy Solutions Z Zudek SRL Samsung Panasonic LG Mitsubishi Electric
Thanks. Interesting spec.
Of course, if new technology comes along that delivers the same performance a gas at a reasonable price then I'll be one of the first in the queue to buy a new heat pump.
Why wouldn't I?
I'm just not blindly swallowing the propaganda until they've been proven in British homes.
I guess Swedish, Norwegian or Danish homes would do? I've no idea whether they have been, as I said I'm a newbie in this subject.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Thanks but it says "If you have a complaint about Royal Mail, please contact the company directly" I think we all know where that's going to go: 3-letter word starts with b, ends with n, rhymes with sin.
Sure, but you have to go through all the hoops first. I know, I know. And there will be a time limit to how long they can bin it before you can escalate (even if it is your own common sense),
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
Someone needs to send CR over to tell them that their heat pumps aren't working.
I am here to test your heat pump. Run me a bath now.
It's the same joke as yesterday and I'm still laughing myself silly.
You are very easily amused.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
You thought it was funny yesterday. You said so.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
God, you're boring.
Why are you doing this? Yer on holiday with your family, aren't you? Go, enjoy yourself, you'll only get a few years with the little 'uns before they turn woke.
They most certainly won't, because they are very bright.
You really don't know that. And I hope that you'd give them the space to form their own opinion, however misguided you may think they are.
No, I don't, but you proffered to know them better than I did so holding a mirror up to that served some purpose, didn't it?
I will encourage my children to develop critical thinking, and particularly to challenge any fashionable consensus, and to always work things out for themselves from first principles*. If they do that, I don't care if they reach different conclusions to me - I'll be confident they are well-reasoned and could always be subject to change.
[*I've even put that in my will as guidance for their guardians to follow, should the worst happen.]
Fuck me, you're a tetchy sod lately. I didn't profess to know them better than you, it was a gentle piss take on them being woke when you're the polar opposite. "Holding a mirror up", you pretentious little fuck. I hope one of them turns towards vegan transism, you'll be soiling the back of yer 550 quid shirt 🤣🤣
Woah. Steady on.
You said they'd be woke and I just said the opposite, and then you challenged that and, I explained that was precisely my point, no-one can know but here are the values I really care about, and, now, you've thrown a massive hissy fit - seemingly out of nowhere.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
Anyone remember when we had a national mail service that collected twice a day from every postbox? Progress, eh!
By no next day service do you mean you can no longer reply to a letter on the same day you receive it? I'm not sure that's ever been guaranteed by the service standards, but it was commonplace.
I believe he us referring to the fact that for businesses they cannot generally get letters into the post before 9am. As it was before you could do a morning or even most of a days work and then get the mail out for nect day drlivery. This can't be done now.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Thanks but it says "If you have a complaint about Royal Mail, please contact the company directly" I think we all know where that's going to go: 3-letter word starts with b, ends with n, rhymes with sin.
Sure, but you have to go through all the hoops first. I know, I know. And there will be a time limit to how long they can bin it before you can escalate (even if it is your own common sense),
Trouble is, first thing they will say if you go to the councillor is, Mr/Ms Benpointer didn't talk to us befopre going to you, Ms Councillor, so we can't possibly help".
Still, worth a go with the councillor plus local newspaper. Er, what local newspaper, these days??
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
Anyone remember when we had a national mail service that collected twice a day from every postbox? Progress, eh!
By no next day service do you mean you can no longer reply to a letter on the same day you receive it? I'm not sure that's ever been guaranteed by the service standards, but it was commonplace.
Not even that (though it's true). It's more that anything I post during normal office hours has no chance of getting delivered before the day after tomorrow. So 1st class is now effectively a next-day-but-one delivery at best.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
Anyone remember when we had a national mail service that collected twice a day from every postbox? Progress, eh!
By no next day service do you mean you can no longer reply to a letter on the same day you receive it? I'm not sure that's ever been guaranteed by the service standards, but it was commonplace.
I believe he us referring to the fact that for businesses they cannot generally get letters into the post before 9am. As it was before you could do a morning or even most of a days work and then get the mail out for nect day drlivery. This can't be done now.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
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Also, food is tasty and good value for money and worth making visits to Caen and Bayeux whilst you are there. A bit further South in Normandy is Falaise Castle which is interesting to see - the birthplace of William the Bastard.
Heats pump technology is not cheap and even I, uninterested in the entire subject, can tell you stories I hear about how they are unsightly, noisy, complicated expensive and don't work.
https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1684821396411809792
The last surviving female eventually sold to the National Trust...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett-Packard#History
Either that or you are a massive, massive twat.
But I think it is the former.
Note that Norwegians do lots of cycling and eat venison too. Quite a culture shock.
In any case: insulation is key, whatever happens.
Some of the opinions on here - we'd still be wearing fur jockstraps and eationg woke mammothburgers, never mind this new-fangled woad stuff, if we were so unwilling to consider that furriners might sometimes have good ideas and/or implement them better.
FFS, it was in part UK subjects who invented thermodynamics. Though usually not your Anglican Establishment types, but Presbyterians and Dissenters who knew what work was. Hence the units Kelvin, Joule, Watt. The units of the Gibbs free energy equation - which shows how one can spend a little leccy to shift entropy the right way and get heat for free.
He’s a professional engineer.
And yet he professes to be adamantly against a technology widely used by neighbouring countries (and NZ, whose climate is v similar to Britain’s).
And it seems to be indicative of a wider mistrust of modernity in general.
I’ve no doubt that it is not 100% straightforward to install a £10,000 heat pump. The question is why they should trigger such stubborn dismissal.
The issue is its effectiveness over the temperature range outside, its heating velocity and its heating capacity. I am not contending that it doesn't work at all in principle - just that there are limits to it which are being overlooked here.
These all apply to fridges too, where you expect it to chill all the contents from room temperature to 5C slowly, over a couple of hours (but not in minutes).
People are used to getting a boost of heat in minutes from a gas boiler to get all toasty in Winter, or to take a hot bath 15-20 minutes later once the tank is full, so that's the par against which heat pumps will be measured.
To do differently you'd need to mitigate by significant retrofit expense to the home to make it effective or change your lifestyle expectations.
Are you genuinely this thick?
Jeg er her for å teste varmepumpen din. Gi meg et bad nå.
See also cheap e-bikes burning down houses (and breaking), something that doesn't happen with the properly specced one from an established brand.
Or, indeed, gas boilers, where the cheap crap onces break all the time and rattle like an old Rover.
Idiots on here (like you) are simply adopting positions on it contemporaneous to the positions they hold on the culture wars.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6c8aot
We're going through the greatest hits now aren't we?
These are all questions that need answering.
Sad bunch of saddos, same as all the idiots that like Dura_Aces bullshit.
Idiot.
In reverse order
10. Srebrenica
9. That village in France
8. Solovetsky islands
7. Kamanets Podolskiy
6. St Petersburg in toto
5. Teotihuacan
4. Tuol sleng
3. Japanese occupied China
2. Cheoung Ek
And yet again. For the 78th year running. Still way out in front. The death camp that “has it all”. The nation’s favourite
1. Auschwitz
Probably won’t ever be beaten?
The small towns do often show it more, much more, in far fewer raids, being smaller than London. Also, for instance, Clydebank where roughly a third of houses were destroyed, a third were badly damaged, and a third were plain damaged but repairable. Hence the fragmented and random pattern of prewar stone tenement blocks.
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.9102903,-4.4276455,3a,90y,7.81h,84.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6epdAHLXl2CgTRPXmYVOJA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
You're more interested in running a Twitter trolling outfit than engaging with them.
It does require a different mindset, though. Less imperial phase Jeremy Clarkson, more James May. And humans (especially British ones) aren't good at changing mindsets. It normally needs a proper crisis, and Britain has been swerving those for ages.
Clearly you can't remember what you or others post from one day to the other as that is twice now you have completely forgotten the previous day's posts and remembered the exact opposite.
Maybe at no. 10 for old times' sake
Shame. Anyway, time to move on.
Good day.
In real life - believe it or not - I am perfectly affable, even charming on a good hair day, and I certainly don’t seek to wind people up for no reason
Nor do I bang on about aliens or AI
I come on here specifically to joust. To vent. To rant about annoyances and weird passions. To give
my id free rein
Then I go back to normal life and act normally, my eerie dark energy expended
Because there was an actual problem - see the angry memos about it in system… “We coned off a section of road two months before starting work, as we usually do, and a bunch of interfering idiots are making life difficult for us”.
It was a section of government that had no experience of the consumer having a say.
Frae Maidenkirk to Johnie Groat's;-
If there's a hole in a your coats,
I rede you tent it:
A chield's amang you takin notes,
And, faith, he'll prent it.
And, likewise.
And he has my entire sympathy. Summer hols with the kids and the partner (and maybe the in-laws?) can be a fucking nightmare. The pressure to have fun. The difficulty of ever really unwinding (esp with kids)
Not always easy
And I don’t think it's helpful to reopen old wounds.
First world problem: Royal Mail, in their wisdom have changed all our local post boxes to 9:00am collection (from 16:30, 12:00 on Saturday). This effectively means that we no longer have a next day delivery service from our rural area, not even with an expensive 1st class stamp and it adversely affects a number of local businesses.
There's been no consultation, no warning, no information - they've just changed the little time signs on the post-box.
I assume, as RM is a private company, there is no redress, no route to complain or to ask them to reconsider.
I thought about contacting our local councillor, who is generally very good, but what's the point, what can she do? If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.
Edit: From RM website:
Changing collection times
Sometimes our postboxes can change to an earlier collection time, and the mail will be collected when a postman or woman is making their deliveries, usually in the morning.
We'll put a label on the postbox to let you know before we change it.
https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/130/~/when-does-mail-get-collected-from-postboxes?
Well, whoopey-do, how f*cking helpful of them.
Anyone remember when we had a national mail service that collected twice a day from every postbox? Progress, eh!
https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/economy/science-medicine/henrietta-lacks-settlement-compensation-stolen-cells-biotech-company-JNCPZLQGEZENPCHLR643GKBBGA/
Dura_Ace persists with the overweight middle-aged man stuff, despite me being 6'1" and only 12 stone 5 and me looking rather young for my age.
Bit odd, but he seems to enjoy it.
So even the servants to the servants were dressing in Paul Smith…
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/complaints/complain-about-postal-services/royal-mail
Except no one gives a fuck in your average Glasgow pub.
"The Daikin Altherma 3 H HT air source heat pump can provide water with temperatures up to 70°C – the same level as gas boilers – and can work when it’s as cold as -28°C outside." So no need to the cost or disruption of new radiators. https://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/heat-pumps/high-temperature-air-source-heat-pumps
Looks good to me, of course there is a downside "You can expect to pay around 25% more for a high temperature heat pump, which equates to £2,500, on average. However, this is a new market, and we’re confident that prices will come down in the near future as more British homes embrace the technology."
It would save a lot of ongoing fuel costs.
New technology is expensive and does drop with greater use. If there is a political will and support they could take off.
Other makes are available.
Here are some high temperature heat pump manufacturers
Shanghai Highly (Group) Co., Ltd.
Siemens Power Genereration
T Termogamma Energy Solutions
Z Zudek SRL
Samsung
Panasonic
LG
Mitsubishi Electric
I will encourage my children to develop critical thinking, and particularly to challenge any fashionable consensus, and to always work things out for themselves from first principles*. If they do that, I don't care if they reach different conclusions to me - I'll be confident they are well-reasoned and could always be subject to change.
[*I've even put that in my will as guidance for their guardians to follow, should the worst happen.]
Norway were early adopters because, until a couple of decades ago, electricity was almost free due to the hydroelectric system. There was a huge amount of discontent when the Government run power companies started charging real money for leccy.
Seeing the open field over which Pickett led the charge -- up hill -- amazed me, though I had read about that charge many times before. (Lee recognized immediately that he had blundered, badly.)
And then there are little details. For example, Tammany Hall has a small monument (one of many) in the Union line. Since the Manhattan political machine had named itself after an Indian chief, the monument is a statue of a wigwam.
(Incidentally, one of the best ways to tour the battlefield is by bicycle.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gettysburg
Of course, if new technology comes along that delivers the same performance a gas at a reasonable price then I'll be one of the first in the queue to buy a new heat pump.
Why wouldn't I?
I'm just not blindly swallowing the propaganda until they've been proven in British homes.
"Holding a mirror up", you pretentious little fuck. I hope one of them turns towards vegan transism, you'll be soiling the back of yer 550 quid shirt 🤣🤣
https://www.royalmail.com/sites/default/files/Complaint_Handling_Process_AUG_2019.pdf
I am delighted to have come up with this cracking idea.
You might do it normally in any event. And asking a trusted friend, and trying it for yourself for real, is likely to be far more convincing than anything said on here, particularly if coming from a political faction who trolls you and you don't trust.
You said they'd be woke and I just said the opposite, and then you challenged that and, I explained that was precisely my point, no-one can know but here are the values I really care about, and, now, you've thrown a massive hissy fit - seemingly out of nowhere.
Take a chill pill. Calm down.
Still, worth a go with the councillor plus local newspaper. Er, what local newspaper, these days??