We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
It really isn't. Lots of vegans are chronically malnourished and there is plenty of evidence and research to support this fact.
Guess what? Humans need a balanced diet and thrive on such.
I wouldn't disagree for a second that lots of vegans are malnorished.
But that is not my contention. I am saying that it is perfectly *possible* to eat a healthy diet as vegan.
It isn't unusual for anorectics to go vegan as a way to lose weight, and refuse family meals etc. Sometimes it is the malnutrition that causes veganism rather than vice-versa.
There are ample numbers of healthy well nourished vegans, though few obese ones. That level of weight usually requires eating loads of saturated fat from meat or dairy.
Pseudoscientific bullshit. Find any empirical evidence that saturated fat is 'fattier' than unsaturated, and how the alleged different pathway results in greater weight gain from eating the former as opposed to the latter.
As for the lack of obese vegans, who is going to abandon their life to the pleasures of food and then choose veganism as their preferred diet?
I was vegan for many years and I'm a fat f**k. 100% of science right there.
I am not saying it is impossible to be a fat vegan, but it is rare.
Which is the antonym of the earlier argument.
It's possible to be a nutritious vegan, just about, but it's bloody hard work. Because there ain't much nutrition in it.
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
He apparently eats fish, so what's correct here?
He eats fish, his wife does not, so at home they are vegetarian. It seems quite unremarkable to me.
His wife is Jewish, and several Jews that I know go veggie when out or travelling as automatically kosher. Perhaps as well as the ethical considerations of Kosher slaughter she simply got to like it.
It also seems completely different to what you said when you were trying to make Starmer out to be the adonis-like poster child of senior vegetarians.
If he is then it begs the question of why he wouldn't let his kids eat the fish he enjoyed himself.
His wife is vegetarian.
The Starmer children have also been brought up Jewish, despite Starmer being Atheist. Maybe she calls the shots on these things, and as he isn't too bothered is quite willing for her to do so.
I shared a house (divided into flats) with sinead o’connor in the late 80s. Very rarely met her but when I did, she struck me as the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. Almost celestial. Astonishing
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New: Officials say the government's approach to Alison Rose's position at NatWest damaged UK Plc by causing a disorderly removal of a CEO at a major bank.
What a load of bollocks. Is commenting on someone doing something stupid damaging the country now?
Probably going to either get a golden goodbye or constructive dismissal payout. As people have commented before once you reach a certain point failure can only go upwards.
I shared a house (divided into flats) with sinead o’connor in the late 80s. Very rarely met her but when I did, she struck me as the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. Almost celestial. Astonishing
Say what you like about Nigel Farage but he his bloody effective when he puts his mind to it
If Victor Meldrew hadn't already been created some aspiring writer could have used Farage as a model for their miserable old curmudgeonly fictional character.
It seems to me that Coutts made 3 massive mistakes:
1) They correctly identified that Farage wouldn't take the account closure lying down and still did it anyway. There was nothing to gain for the bank by closing his account. 2) Having decided to close the account they put their reasons down IN WRITING (clearly no-one understood about SARs). If they had discussed in a meeting but put the written reason down as lack of funds, Farage wouldn't have had a case. 3) The CEO then told a lie that was easily exposed by the written materials. Not only that but she made the BBC look like dupes.
Apart from that though - you'd trust them with your millions?
Nope but for reasons I wouldn’t write down anywhere. Happy to explain if I met in person but otherwise….
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Anything stand out as interesting on the list, in a "Hey Ed Davey, you have this seat" way? It's not quite as simple as "mega safe Conservative seats"; there's nothing from even the outermost edges of London there (Romford, say, or Hornchurch & Upminster). Wonder what the best bet for a shock Labour win is there? I think I'd go for Bognor Regis & Littlehampton, as the Brighton effect spreads along the Sussex coast.
If the demographic projections are right, it won't be China. The One Child policy left them with not enough adults to be parents and they're looking at a population cliff.
One of the reasons why I'm so upset by Russia is because they are curing their demography problem by literally stealing children. I forget how many they've taken from Ukraine but I doubt it's just one or two.
If the demographic projections are right, it won't be China. The One Child policy left them with not enough adults to be parents and they're looking at a population cliff.
One of the reasons why I'm so upset by Russia is because they are curing their demography problem by literally stealing children. I forget how many they've taken from Ukraine but I doubt it's just one or two.
Say what you like about Nigel Farage but he his bloody effective when he puts his mind to it
Yes. He has that rare quality; when he speaks you listen. Very few have it to the degree he has. Blair. Clinton. Thatcher. Ken Clarke. Obama. Salmond. Boris (of course). Of current performers there are traces of it in Badenoch, Gove, Streeting. Best of the current bunch is Kate Forbes.
As to the opposite quality; when they speak you go to sleep. The choice is endless. Right at the top: SNP leader (can't recall his name), Barclay, Sir K (sadly), Jenrick, Reeves, Hands, Dowden, Davey, Ashworth, Thomas-Symonds.
PM4PM is a good speaker, or has the makings of a very good speaker. I don't tend to sit up an listen when she speaks, because usually I am not anticipating that she'll say anything particularly momentous. But I could see her performing very well as PM developing her speaking skills and saying stuff of real substance.
Vanilla problem? This morning, when I first saw this post, the header said there was 1 comment. It is still saying there is just 1, when there are now hundreds.
(I am using the Chrome browser, if that matters. I got the same result, just now, with Microsoft Edge.)
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If the demographic projections are right, it won't be China. The One Child policy left them with not enough adults to be parents and they're looking at a population cliff.
One of the reasons why I'm so upset by Russia is because they are curing their demography problem by literally stealing children. I forget how many they've taken from Ukraine but I doubt it's just one or two.
Nigeria 5th. Lol
The same organisations project that Nigeria will be uninhabitable so something doesn’t add up.
If the demographic projections are right, it won't be China. The One Child policy left them with not enough adults to be parents and they're looking at a population cliff.
One of the reasons why I'm so upset by Russia is because they are curing their demography problem by literally stealing children. I forget how many they've taken from Ukraine but I doubt it's just one or two.
Vanilla problem? This morning, when I first saw this post, the header said there was 1 comment. It is still saying there is just 1, when there are now hundreds.
(I am using the Chrome browser, if that matters. I got the same result, just now, with Microsoft Edge.)
If the demographic projections are right, it won't be China. The One Child policy left them with not enough adults to be parents and they're looking at a population cliff.
One of the reasons why I'm so upset by Russia is because they are curing their demography problem by literally stealing children. I forget how many they've taken from Ukraine but I doubt it's just one or two.
One thing you can say for Nigeria is it has a surging population, that alone will likely put it in the top 10 economies by gdp, even if not by gdp per capita
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Vanilla problem? This morning, when I first saw this post, the header said there was 1 comment. It is still saying there is just 1, when there are now hundreds.
(I am using the Chrome browser, if that matters. I got the same result, just now, with Microsoft Edge.)
Same here with Safari.
Maybe something connected with the closed duplicate thread, which has 1 comment? Viewing on vanilla.
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Anything stand out as interesting on the list, in a "Hey Ed Davey, you have this seat" way? It's not quite as simple as "mega safe Conservative seats"; there's nothing from even the outermost edges of London there (Romford, say, or Hornchurch & Upminster). Wonder what the best bet for a shock Labour win is there? I think I'd go for Bognor Regis & Littlehampton, as the Brighton effect spreads along the Sussex coast.
To be fair Blair did win Romford and Hornchurch and Upminster in 1997, even if the Tories won back Romford and Upminster in 2001 (some of their few gains under Hague).
Bognor Regis has always been Tory though, so yes that would be a shock
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Yes. Your biscuit then is almost exactly a scone (typically our scones are sweetened, but you'd always at least have butter, usually jam (your jelly) and clotted cream). We have savoury versions made with cheese. You'd usually just butter these. They're not typically sandwiched with ham or other fillings as possibly a bit too crumbly? Also too crumbly to cause much pain when thrown. If they even reach the victim whole.
A biscuit here is a dry, compacted, crumbly affair. An American example of what we term a biscuit would be an Oero. We are a nation of biscuit lovers because they're ideal to dunk in tea.
Your biscuit is our cookie. As in Cookie Monster.
(With due apology to Cookie.)
Yes, they're similar but the American cookie is very special - we know them as large and a bit gooey in the middle, usually with chocolate chips. They'd be more of a treat for us, not something you'd have daily (or even a few times a day) with a cup of tea like a biscuit.
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The seat is partly David Davis’ Howden seat (East Riding of Yorkshire). Goole is industrial red wall. Only a small portion of the seat is Lincolnshire.
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What do we think of this? A few different sources.
"The main thrust of Ukraine’s nearly two-month-old counteroffensive is now underway in the country’s southeast, two Pentagon officials said on Wednesday, with thousands of reinforcements pouring into the grinding battle" nytimes.com/live/2023/07/2…
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Yes. Your biscuit then is almost exactly a scone (typically our scones are sweetened, but you'd always at least have butter, usually jam (your jelly) and clotted cream). We have savoury versions made with cheese. You'd usually just butter these. They're not typically sandwiched with ham or other fillings as possibly a bit too crumbly? Also too crumbly to cause much pain when thrown. If they even reach the victim whole.
A biscuit here is a dry, compacted, crumbly affair. An American example of what we term a biscuit would be an Oero. We are a nation of biscuit lovers because they're ideal to dunk in tea.
Your biscuit is our cookie. As in Cookie Monster.
(With due apology to Cookie.)
Yes, they're similar but the American cookie is very special - we know them as large and a bit gooey in the middle, usually with chocolate chips. They'd be more of a treat for us, not something you'd have daily (or even a few times a day) with a cup of tea like a biscuit.
That's child abuse. Kids need meat and fish when they're growing up.
Maybe Sir Kid Starver is apt.
I am reminded of Lord Blake's acid comment on Sir Stafford Cripps:
'He was not only a vegetarian and teetotaller, he looked like one too.'
But whatever it is, it isn't child abuse, and I'm surprised as a parent yourself you would say that.
It certainly is - children need proper nutrition to grow and develop properly.
[Narrator: Sunak is a vegetarian and 5ft 6 inches tall]
Lol.
He's teetotal and doesn't eat beef as a Hindu. Not sure that means he's always vegetarian.
He has said he is a vegetarian in a number of interviews. Many Hindus are.
His SPAD on environmental issues is a vegan.
Who cares about the SPAD?
You should care about the sort of people Sunak chooses to advise him. They are useful indications of his own leanings.
I'm not sure Sunak has a secret vegan agenda, and indeed he's just signalled he's going to soften the targets on the environment a fair bit.
I don't think it'll happen, but I'm here for Sunak going all popular and defending our national interest against the eco-zealots. I will give him props for doing it, but as I've mentioned, he will have a credibility issue selling a complete policy u-turn.
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Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
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Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
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The seat is partly David Davis’ Howden seat (East Riding of Yorkshire). Goole is industrial red wall. Only a small portion of the seat is Lincolnshire.
Goole was the only part of the West Riding included in the 1974 county of Humberside. When Humberside was abolished and divided between four unitary authorities in the 90s, nobody wanted it: North Linconshire pointed out that it was not in Lincolnshire, and East Riding of Yorkshire that it was not in the East Riding. There were half hearted attempts to shunt it into Doncaster or Selby, but to no avail. Eventually East Riding lost the argument and accepted it, but grudgingly.
Edit: With apologies to the places concerned, the least attractive place names in the country are clustered around the Humber estuary. Goole. Brigg. Hull. Hedon. Grimsby. Cleethorpes. Immingham.
Some of these places are quite nice, but their names are not. The only moderately sized towns I can think of which have names as unattractive are Workington, Worksop and Huddersfield.
I shared a house (divided into flats) with sinead o’connor in the late 80s. Very rarely met her but when I did, she struck me as the most beautiful woman I had ever seen. Almost celestial. Astonishing
RIP
always wondered why she seemed so depressed
I believe that we focus upon always grows within our life experience. O'Connor was the perpetually abused kid - and throughout her life she did (often very bravely) place herself in situations where she'd be misunderstood, abused and scorned. She embraced tragedy. That enabled her to connect in very deep way to others who experienced those emotions, but it was not a recipe for a happy life.
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Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
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Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
"Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there" Hahaha!
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Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 2/3 of Cornish seats were yellow, 1 Labour and 1 Tory. By 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
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Anything stand out as interesting on the list, in a "Hey Ed Davey, you have this seat" way? It's not quite as simple as "mega safe Conservative seats"; there's nothing from even the outermost edges of London there (Romford, say, or Hornchurch & Upminster). Wonder what the best bet for a shock Labour win is there? I think I'd go for Bognor Regis & Littlehampton, as the Brighton effect spreads along the Sussex coast.
Yes the list is a curious mix. None in Leics for example, despite large Tory majorities in several seats, so unlikely to be winnable in anything less than oblivion for Sunak.
It looks like an open indication that the LDs should target these seats.
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Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
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Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 2/3 of Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
"Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there" Hahaha!
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
Kemi Badenoch has taken plenty of action -- in the form of speech of her own. And again shows herself as as much a climate change denier as Farage. Badenoch attacked the Labour party's decision not further to expand exploitation and extraction from the North Sea, saying that their decision was outrageous and disgraceful.”
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
"Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there" Hahaha!
What do we think of this? A few different sources.
"The main thrust of Ukraine’s nearly two-month-old counteroffensive is now underway in the country’s southeast, two Pentagon officials said on Wednesday, with thousands of reinforcements pouring into the grinding battle" nytimes.com/live/2023/07/2…
I wouldn't expect a war of blitzkrieg. That would require both air superiority and a combined arms approach that the Ukranians are yet to achieve.
This is more a grinding war of attrition, but interesting that we have nor seen much of the new Nato trained brigades. They appear to be waiting for the point in the battle when a decisive action is needed.
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Well, let's see.
I expect that there will be red seats everywhere when Con go below 150 seats, as looks likely now.
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Labour are a threat in a couple of constituencies. But here’s an MRP from way back last June - post partygate but pre Truss:
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Labour are a threat in a couple of constituencies. But here’s an MRP from way back last June - post partygate but pre Truss:
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Anything stand out as interesting on the list, in a "Hey Ed Davey, you have this seat" way? It's not quite as simple as "mega safe Conservative seats"; there's nothing from even the outermost edges of London there (Romford, say, or Hornchurch & Upminster). Wonder what the best bet for a shock Labour win is there? I think I'd go for Bognor Regis & Littlehampton, as the Brighton effect spreads along the Sussex coast.
Well noted. It looks like someone has carved out any seat in a traditional metropolitan area from this list - albeit not many outside London that are safe Tory. Perhaps there is plenty of interest in any London area candidacy or perhaps they are more than usually worried about choosing a dodgy candidate there relative to say the north coast of Scotland.
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Cornwall isn’t homogeneous. Labour will win back Camborne & Redruth - as they did when the excellent Candy Atherton held its predecessor seat. The Lib Dems will win St Ives.
You are of course right that the LDs are going to make serious inroads in Oxfordshire - very probably three (OxWAb, Wantage, Henley), and a good chance of Bicester & Woodstock too.
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Cornwall isn’t homogeneous. Labour will win back Camborne & Redruth - as they did when the excellent Candy Atherton held its predecessor seat. The Lib Dems will win St Ives.
You are of course right that the LDs are going to make serious inroads in Oxfordshire - very probably three (OxWAb, Wantage, Henley), and a good chance of Bicester & Woodstock too.
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Labour are a threat in a couple of constituencies. But here’s an MRP from way back last June - post partygate but pre Truss:
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Cornwall isn’t homogeneous. Labour will win back Camborne & Redruth - as they did when the excellent Candy Atherton held its predecessor seat. The Lib Dems will win St Ives.
You are of course right that the LDs are going to make serious inroads in Oxfordshire - very probably three (OxWAb, Wantage, Henley), and a good chance of Bicester & Woodstock too.
Good thread header but would appreciate a clarification.
Cyclefree criticises Badenoch on the grounds that she should do more than just express an opinion but I thought the Goverment has been saying over the last 2 weeks that they are doing something about this and are tightening the rules to stop it happening. If that is the case then what more does Badenoch need to do?*
*In thie case of the banks. I agree entirely she should be doing something about the Post Office.
Say what you like about Nigel Farage but he his bloody effective when he puts his mind to it
Yes. He has that rare quality; when he speaks you listen. Very few have it to the degree he has. Blair. Clinton. Thatcher. Ken Clarke. Obama. Salmond. Boris (of course). Of current performers there are traces of it in Badenoch, Gove, Streeting. Best of the current bunch is Kate Forbes.
As to the opposite quality; when they speak you go to sleep. The choice is endless. Right at the top: SNP leader (can't recall his name), Barclay, Sir K (sadly), Jenrick, Reeves, Hands, Dowden, Davey, Ashworth, Thomas-Symonds.
I thought when Jenrick spoke you counted the spoons.
If economic forecasters can't project the next quarter's GDP numbers successfully, why should we listen to what they think will happen in 2075?
Answer: we shouldn't.
And that from somebody who's done more than my fair share of economic forecasting.
Answer: because short-term volatility is ... volatile, while the well-known factors that predict economic growth over the long term will even out in the end. The most important of those factors being population and productivity - if you accept the projections, economic growth predictions follow naturally. Whereas for next quarter's GDP you have to know changes in energy costs, weather, short-term exuberance levels, etc. etc.e
Say what you like about Nigel Farage but he his bloody effective when he puts his mind to it
Yes. He has that rare quality; when he speaks you listen. Very few have it to the degree he has. Blair. Clinton. Thatcher. Ken Clarke. Obama. Salmond. Boris (of course). Of current performers there are traces of it in Badenoch, Gove, Streeting. Best of the current bunch is Kate Forbes.
As to the opposite quality; when they speak you go to sleep. The choice is endless. Right at the top: SNP leader (can't recall his name), Barclay, Sir K (sadly), Jenrick, Reeves, Hands, Dowden, Davey, Ashworth, Thomas-Symonds.
I thought when Jenrick spoke you counted the spoons.
If economic forecasters can't project the next quarter's GDP numbers successfully, why should we listen to what they think will happen in 2075?
Answer: we shouldn't.
And that from somebody who's done more than my fair share of economic forecasting.
Answer: because short-term volatility is ... volatile, while the well-known factors that predict economic growth over the long term will even out in the end. The most important of those factors being population and productivity - if you accept the projections, economic growth predictions follow naturally. Whereas for next quarter's GDP you have to know changes in energy costs, weather, short-term exuberance levels, etc. etc.e
See also weather vs climate, and individual constituencies vs general elections.
If economic forecasters can't project the next quarter's GDP numbers successfully, why should we listen to what they think will happen in 2075?
Answer: we shouldn't.
And that from somebody who's done more than my fair share of economic forecasting.
Answer: because short-term volatility is ... volatile, while the well-known factors that predict economic growth over the long term will even out in the end. The most important of those factors being population and productivity - if you accept the projections, economic growth predictions follow naturally. Whereas for next quarter's GDP you have to know changes in energy costs, weather, short-term exuberance levels, etc. etc.e
See also weather vs climate, and individual constituencies vs general elections.
Of course, we can't really predict (say) Nigerian population growth. We don't even know Nigeria's population very well. And a few decimals of a percentage point is the usual error in GDP forecasting, which is pretty okay to me. But I thought the general point was worth making!
"Andrew Malkinson: Rape conviction of man who spent 17 years in prison overturned Fresh DNA evidence has emerged linking another suspect to the crime."
Good thread header but would appreciate a clarification.
Cyclefree criticises Badenoch on the grounds that she should do more than just express an opinion but I thought the Goverment has been saying over the last 2 weeks that they are doing something about this and are tightening the rules to stop it happening. If that is the case then what more does Badenoch need to do?*
*In thie case of the banks. I agree entirely she should be doing something about the Post Office.
What the government has said it will do is ensure that banks give an explanation for account closures, though as others have pointed out that comes up against the requirements of other rules so may not be as easy as it sounds. Badenoch's tweet was about free speech and no discrimination on the basis of belief. But this isn't really a free speech issue and the EA already applies to banks. So it is unclear what Badenoch is talking about. It felt to me like she wanted to say something but had not really thought it through.
And she has form doing this - tweeting criticisms but not AFAICS actually taking steps in areas which are her responsibility. Too many politicians have jumped on a bandwagon rather than understanding what the issues really are and that they arise in part because of the rules politicians have put in place to deal with genuine mischiefs.
Good thread header but would appreciate a clarification.
Cyclefree criticises Badenoch on the grounds that she should do more than just express an opinion but I thought the Goverment has been saying over the last 2 weeks that they are doing something about this and are tightening the rules to stop it happening. If that is the case then what more does Badenoch need to do?*
*In thie case of the banks. I agree entirely she should be doing something about the Post Office.
What the government has said it will do is ensure that banks give an explanation for account closures, though as others have pointed out that comes up against the requirements of other rules so may not be as easy as it sounds. Badenoch's tweet was about free speech and no discrimination on the basis of belief. But this isn't really a free speech issue and the EA already applies to banks. So it is unclear what Badenoch is talking about. It felt to me like she wanted to say something but had not really thought it through.
And she has form doing this - tweeting criticisms but not AFAICS actually taking steps in areas which are her responsibility. Too many politicians have jumped on a bandwagon rather than understanding what the issues really are and that they arise in part because of the rules politicians have put in place to deal with genuine mischiefs.
Fair points. I just wasn't clear on the extent of the Government's plans.
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Labour are a threat in a couple of constituencies. But here’s an MRP from way back last June - post partygate but pre Truss:
And MRPs have tended to underestimate tactical voting,
Tories predicted to lose more seats to the LDs in Surrey than Cornwall there too.
The average LD general election voter now is an upper middle class, high earning graduate who voted Remain.
Whereas in 1997 there was not much difference between the average LD and Labour voter demographically
In part because tactical voting was strong in 1997, but weak in 2019.
Also demographic change and Brexit effect, indeed the average LD voter in 2019 looked more like the average voter for Major's Tories in 1997 than the average voter for Boris' Conservatives or Corbyn's Labour in 2019
Labour announce their 'Non Priority seats Parliamentary candidates selection process is open'. List of seats below for any Labour candidates seeking to earn their spurs before seeking a safer or better prospect, unless the odd 197 style shock
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Yep, and the activists I talk too aren't very keen on Rishi, so IMO they're less likely to help than under Johnson, May or Cameron.
Rishi is more popular in London than the South West though, both with Tory activists and voters, see Uxbridge compared to Somerton and Frome. Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there and Boris was in pro Brexit areas of the SW.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
Cameron was popular in Cornwall as he holidayed there Hahaha!
Well in 2005 all Cornish seats were yellow, by 2010 half were blue and by 2015 all were blue
And in 2024 lots of them are turning yellow again!
I would not be so sure, indeed post Brexit the LDs may gain more Tory seats in Surrey or Oxfordshire than Cornwall
All those happy fisherfolk.
Labour are now more of a threat to the Tories in Cornwall than the LDs too, certainly at general elections
Cornwall isn’t homogeneous. Labour will win back Camborne & Redruth - as they did when the excellent Candy Atherton held its predecessor seat. The Lib Dems will win St Ives.
You are of course right that the LDs are going to make serious inroads in Oxfordshire - very probably three (OxWAb, Wantage, Henley), and a good chance of Bicester & Woodstock too.
Kemi Badenoch has taken plenty of action -- in the form of speech of her own. And again shows herself as as much a climate change denier as Farage. Badenoch attacked the Labour party's decision not further to expand exploitation and extraction from the North Sea, saying that their decision was outrageous and disgraceful.”
Given that the continued use of gas is baked in by our reliance on intermittent wind and solar power, exploiting our own oil and gas isn't only important economically, and for reasons of energy security, it also reduces overall CO2 emissions. The liquification process and transportation required to import gas from Saudia Arabia or the USA is highly energy intensive. Anyone genuinely concerned about CO2 emissions (as opposed to just having it out for the British economy) would welcome more North Sea Oil development.
Kemi Badenoch has taken plenty of action -- in the form of speech of her own. And again shows herself as as much a climate change denier as Farage. Badenoch attacked the Labour party's decision not further to expand exploitation and extraction from the North Sea, saying that their decision was outrageous and disgraceful.”
Given that the continued use of gas is baked in by our reliance on intermittent wind and solar power, exploiting our own oil and gas isn't only important economically, and for reasons of energy security, it also reduces overall CO2 emissions. The liquification process and transportation required to import gas from Saudia Arabia or the USA is highly energy intensive. Anyone genuinely concerned about CO2 emissions (as opposed to just having it out for the British economy) would welcome more North Sea Oil development.
alednam is another one of those lunatics who thinks that not drilling for oil and gas means we will use less than we would otherwise. Of course it is rubbish. We will just import the stuff from places with far worse environmental controls than we have and, as you say, use more energy to do it. It is truly dumb.
"Andrew Malkinson: Rape conviction of man who spent 17 years in prison overturned Fresh DNA evidence has emerged linking another suspect to the crime."
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Yes. Your biscuit then is almost exactly a scone (typically our scones are sweetened, but you'd always at least have butter, usually jam (your jelly) and clotted cream). We have savoury versions made with cheese. You'd usually just butter these. They're not typically sandwiched with ham or other fillings as possibly a bit too crumbly? Also too crumbly to cause much pain when thrown. If they even reach the victim whole.
A biscuit here is a dry, compacted, crumbly affair. An American example of what we term a biscuit would be an Oero. We are a nation of biscuit lovers because they're ideal to dunk in tea.
Your biscuit is our cookie. As in Cookie Monster.
(With due apology to Cookie.)
Yes, they're similar but the American cookie is very special - we know them as large and a bit gooey in the middle, usually with chocolate chips. They'd be more of a treat for us, not something you'd have daily (or even a few times a day) with a cup of tea like a biscuit.
What you are calling "the American cookie" is just a KIND of cookie, NOT representative of all USA cookies.
Which CAN feature gooey chocolate chips . . . when warm (or warmed up).
My mom was a master cookie maker. My personal favorites were her Tollhouse cookies (with choc chips & chopped walnuts (not gooey unless hot from oven); and molasses cookies; others thought her best were her peanut butter cookies., which I never much liked (hers or anybody's).
"Andrew Malkinson: Rape conviction of man who spent 17 years in prison overturned Fresh DNA evidence has emerged linking another suspect to the crime."
'A 37-year-old man jailed for a crime he did not commit is being charged almost £7,000 for his time in prison. Warren Blackwell from Woodford Halse, Northamptonshire, has been told the sum will be deducted from compensation to cover savings on rent and food....
Ministry of Justice statement Mr Warren was told he would receive compensation minus £6,800, which has been assessed as the amount of money he had saved from normal expenses while in jail.'
Who knew prison could be such a cost of living saving?
Kemi Badenoch has taken plenty of action -- in the form of speech of her own. And again shows herself as as much a climate change denier as Farage. Badenoch attacked the Labour party's decision not further to expand exploitation and extraction from the North Sea, saying that their decision was outrageous and disgraceful.”
Given that the continued use of gas is baked in by our reliance on intermittent wind and solar power, exploiting our own oil and gas isn't only important economically, and for reasons of energy security, it also reduces overall CO2 emissions. The liquification process and transportation required to import gas from Saudia Arabia or the USA is highly energy intensive. Anyone genuinely concerned about CO2 emissions (as opposed to just having it out for the British economy) would welcome more North Sea Oil development.
You keep repeating this claim about liquefaction, but it doesn't really bear scrutiny, because the gas that is coming from Qatar or Australia is very high ERoEI.
For US tight gas, where lots of energy (mostly in the form of diesel) is used to get water up to pressure fracture the rock, it might be different, but the liquification and transport costs of LNG are negligible compared to the energy costs associated with setting up a field.
Now that wasn't always the case. Early LNG carriers had boil off rates of 1.2-1.3% per day; but a modern tanker can be as low as 0.06% per day. Which means on a trip from Qatar to the UK you might lose 0.5-0.6% of the gas. And don't forget that while energy is used to liquify gas, modern regas terminals recapture a lot of that as it expands for power needs.
So, true energy losses are really minimal these days.
Kemi Badenoch has taken plenty of action -- in the form of speech of her own. And again shows herself as as much a climate change denier as Farage. Badenoch attacked the Labour party's decision not further to expand exploitation and extraction from the North Sea, saying that their decision was outrageous and disgraceful.”
Given that the continued use of gas is baked in by our reliance on intermittent wind and solar power, exploiting our own oil and gas isn't only important economically, and for reasons of energy security, it also reduces overall CO2 emissions. The liquification process and transportation required to import gas from Saudia Arabia or the USA is highly energy intensive. Anyone genuinely concerned about CO2 emissions (as opposed to just having it out for the British economy) would welcome more North Sea Oil development.
You keep repeating this claim about liquefaction, but it doesn't really bear scrutiny, because the gas that is coming from Qatar or Australia is very high ERoEI.
For US tight gas, where lots of energy (mostly in the form of diesel) is used to get water up to pressure fracture the rock, it might be different, but the liquification and transport costs of LNG are negligible compared to the energy costs associated with setting up a field.
Now that wasn't always the case. Early LNG carriers had boil off rates of 1.2-1.3% per day; but a modern tanker can be as low as 0.06% per day. Which means on a trip from Qatar to the UK you might lose 0.5-0.6% of the gas. And don't forget that while energy is used to liquify gas, modern regas terminals recapture a lot of that as it expands for power needs.
So, true energy losses are really minimal these days.
Also worth remembering that boiled off LNG is what powers the LNG tanker.
"Andrew Malkinson: Rape conviction of man who spent 17 years in prison overturned Fresh DNA evidence has emerged linking another suspect to the crime."
What a horrible case. Maximum compensation is due, for all the years lost and for the permanent effects on this innocent man. There are shades of the Stephen Kiszko case. DNA proved that was somebody else too. That's way beyond "unsafe". A defendant shouldn't have to prove his innocence, but that's what Kiszko did. His barrister who later became home secretary, David Waddington, shouldn't be forgiven. Imagine having something like that on your conscience.
Vanilla problem? This morning, when I first saw this post, the header said there was 1 comment. It is still saying there is just 1, when there are now hundreds.
(I am using the Chrome browser, if that matters. I got the same result, just now, with Microsoft Edge.)
Same here with Safari.
Maybe something connected with the closed duplicate thread, which has 1 comment? Viewing on vanilla.
When I mentioned the "1 Comment" thing - they laughed!
"Andrew Malkinson: Rape conviction of man who spent 17 years in prison overturned Fresh DNA evidence has emerged linking another suspect to the crime."
Busiest cinema this evening that I've been in for a long time, for Oppenheimer. About 75% full (not including the seats at the front). Might go and see it again because there's a lot to take in over 3 hours.
Busiest cinema this evening that I've been in for a long time, for Oppenheimer. About 75% full (not including the seats at the front). Might go and see it again because there's a lot to take in over 3 hours.
Glad you liked the big "O"!
So what did you learn (or feel or some other thing) that surprised you the most?
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It's possible to be a nutritious vegan, just about, but it's bloody hard work. Because there ain't much nutrition in it.
RIP
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2023/england/councils/E07000239
One of the reasons why I'm so upset by Russia is because they are curing their demography problem by literally stealing children. I forget how many they've taken from Ukraine but I doubt it's just one or two.
Not going to share them as it's a bit soon.
(I am using the Chrome browser, if that matters. I got the same result, just now, with Microsoft Edge.)
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Goole and Pocklington
And they have Bognor & Littlehampton as 0.5% Conservative majority:
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Bognor+Regis+and+Littlehampton
Wonder if any others have slipped through?
Bognor Regis has always been Tory though, so yes that would be a shock
Biscuits are usually smaller and a little more basic. This is the archetypal British biscuit: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/feb/24/chocolate-digestives-best-worst-taste-test-mcvities-supermarket-brands
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/26/natwest-may-have-broken-law-farage-coutts-scandal/
"The main thrust of Ukraine’s nearly two-month-old counteroffensive is now underway in the country’s southeast, two Pentagon officials said on Wednesday, with thousands of reinforcements pouring into the grinding battle" nytimes.com/live/2023/07/2…
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1684296912533331969?s=46
(Crisps are chips of course, and chips are fries.)
Never been anything but Tory or Liberal/Whig, and especially blue recently - BUT local council elections were for strong for local LDs, they've been recruiting paid positions recently.
Interesting that Labour have come second in last two GEs, and very unlikely to happen outside of a total collapse, but far more chance of a Liberal upset than Labour one IMO.
I suspect in most of the Tory south west the LDs will be the focus for anti-Tory voting.
Edit: With apologies to the places concerned, the least attractive place names in the country are clustered around the Humber estuary. Goole. Brigg. Hull. Hedon. Grimsby. Cleethorpes. Immingham.
Some of these places are quite nice, but their names are not. The only moderately sized towns I can think of which have names as unattractive are Workington, Worksop and Huddersfield.
I suspect Rishi even beat Truss with London Tory members last summer
I’ll get my hat..
The successful economies in our coming global demographic decline will be those with open borders.
It looks like an open indication that the LDs should target these seats.
Badenoch attacked the Labour party's decision not further to expand exploitation and extraction from the North Sea, saying that their decision was outrageous and disgraceful.”
This is more a grinding war of attrition, but interesting that we have nor seen much of the new Nato trained brigades. They appear to be waiting for the point in the battle when a decisive action is needed.
I expect that there will be red seats everywhere when Con go below 150 seats, as looks likely now.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/07/01/conservatives-set-lose-26-their-64-lib-dem-battleg
And MRPs have tended to underestimate tactical voting,
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1684315684166041600
ROFL
Answer: we shouldn't.
And that from somebody who's done more than my fair share of economic forecasting.
The average LD general election voter now is an upper middle class, high earning graduate who voted Remain.
Whereas in 1997 there was not much difference between the average LD and Labour voter demographically
You are of course right that the LDs are going to make serious inroads in Oxfordshire - very probably three (OxWAb, Wantage, Henley), and a good chance of Bicester & Woodstock too.
Cyclefree criticises Badenoch on the grounds that she should do more than just express an opinion but I thought the Goverment has been saying over the last 2 weeks that they are doing something about this and are tightening the rules to stop it happening. If that is the case then what more does Badenoch need to do?*
*In thie case of the banks. I agree entirely she should be doing something about the Post Office.
Is it still the case that they can charge you room and board for the time spent in prison and take it out of your compensation?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/6702519.stm
And she has form doing this - tweeting criticisms but not AFAICS actually taking steps in areas which are her responsibility. Too many politicians have jumped on a bandwagon rather than understanding what the issues really are and that they arise in part because of the rules politicians have put in place to deal with genuine mischiefs.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/26/britain-prejudices-cartoon-antisemitic-tropes
Which CAN feature gooey chocolate chips . . . when warm (or warmed up).
My mom was a master cookie maker. My personal favorites were her Tollhouse cookies (with choc chips & chopped walnuts (not gooey unless hot from oven); and molasses cookies; others thought her best were her peanut butter cookies., which I never much liked (hers or anybody's).
'A 37-year-old man jailed for a crime he did not commit is being charged almost £7,000 for his time in prison.
Warren Blackwell from Woodford Halse, Northamptonshire, has been told the sum will be deducted from compensation to cover savings on rent and food....
Ministry of Justice statement
Mr Warren was told he would receive compensation minus £6,800, which has been assessed as the amount of money he had saved from normal expenses while in jail.'
Who knew prison could be such a cost of living saving?
For US tight gas, where lots of energy (mostly in the form of diesel) is used to get water up to pressure fracture the rock, it might be different, but the liquification and transport costs of LNG are negligible compared to the energy costs associated with setting up a field.
Now that wasn't always the case. Early LNG carriers had boil off rates of 1.2-1.3% per day; but a modern tanker can be as low as 0.06% per day. Which means on a trip from Qatar to the UK you might lose 0.5-0.6% of the gas. And don't forget that while energy is used to liquify gas, modern regas terminals recapture a lot of that as it expands for power needs.
So, true energy losses are really minimal these days.
But when JIM mentions it - they take notice!
So what did you learn (or feel or some other thing) that surprised you the most?