Today Sunak appeared at the contaminated blood enquiry.
The enquiry has recommended victims receive full compensation now.
That is not on offer, Sunak just wants to kick the can down the road.
Meanwhile victims die at the rate of 1 every 4 days.
Just like the victims of the post office scandal, it’s an absolute disgrace they have not had any compensation just meaningless platitudes from politicians.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
Ken Clarke was on R4 earlier today. I like Ken Clarke. In amongst his reflections he said something along the lines of the best governments of 'recent' years being Thatcher's and Atlee's. In my view he's completely right on the first, but it caused me to reflect and do some small research on what I know of the Atlee government. On the face of it, it seems to have been entirely awful. Atlee just steered the cart into the wall.
What were Atlee's merits? (Let's leave the NHS aside because it's so emotive, and we all know)
Possibly KC was referring to administrative competence. I remember a story about Atlee sacking a Minister and when the indignant man asked "Why?", all Atlee said was "Not up to it". We may believe (and I do) that Atlee's reforms were on balance disastrous and it's a tragedy that Churchill wasn't elected post-war, but he did do 'a lot' in a very short space of time.
The historical and political perspective of nearly 80 years speaking loud and clear there. At the time, let's not forget, Attlee won an overwhelming victory and Churchill's election campaign in 1945 was about as inept as Theresa May's seventy years later.
There was strong support for what Attlee was offering though of course the original and much more decentralised NHS was the brainchild of the Liberal Beveridge.
Given the economic state of the country in August 1945, it's a miracle we survived at all.
Perhaps in 2060 people will claim Thatcher's Government was on balance disastrous - we'll see. I imagine you'll be around to defend it (or perhaps you won't).
Ken Clarke was on R4 earlier today. I like Ken Clarke. In amongst his reflections he said something along the lines of the best governments of 'recent' years being Thatcher's and Atlee's. In my view he's completely right on the first, but it caused me to reflect and do some small research on what I know of the Atlee government. On the face of it, it seems to have been entirely awful. Atlee just steered the cart into the wall.
What were Atlee's merits? (Let's leave the NHS aside because it's so emotive, and we all know)
Possibly KC was referring to administrative competence. I remember a story about Atlee sacking a Minister and when the indignant man asked "Why?", all Atlee said was "Not up to it". We may believe (and I do) that Atlee's reforms were on balance disastrous and it's a tragedy that Churchill wasn't elected post-war, but he did do 'a lot' in a very short space of time.
Ken Clarke said both Attlee and Thatcher left Britain in a better state than they'd found it. You might add that one established the post-war consensus (ie the basic framework accepted by both parties) until the other replaced it with the post-Thatcherite consensus. You can listen on BBC Sounds:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001p1rn
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I really don't like having to think so hard about my dinner and be careful to make sure I am getting what I need. Prefer to just rule of thumb it and try vaguely to be balanced, sounds exhausting otherwise even if it is healthy.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
On topic, a fine example of nail-on-the-head from @Cyclefree. Mrs Stodge is in the world of AML, PEPs and the like and everything said in the thread she agrees.
The central point is the confidentiality between the customer and his/her bank isn't absolute until the bank has done its due diligence after which, once it accepts a customer, it applies. Banks are perfectly at liberty to refuse to take the funds of anyone (and it happens more often than we imagine) bit if you meet the bank's criteria, then you are a customer.
I don't know why Badenoch waded in - I've heard more intellectual heft from an empty bag of cheese and onion crisps.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
Whatever its other merits, an omnivorous diet doesn't give immunity to Starmer Derangement Syndrome.
Mark Drakeford taking a leaf out of Sir Kid Starvers book and cutting funding for free school meals in wales for the poorest.
I’m sure Marcus Rashford can be mobilised to lobby against this !
I do hope so.
Leaving aside the ethical questions of removing food from hungry children, the more people hammer the repellant Drakeford and his equally loathsome party the better.
About the only thing I can think of in his favour is he's not quite as awful as Andrew RT Davies.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
The old joke...how do you know if somebody is a Vegan...they will tell you...again, and again, and again...
Well of course she had to go. But at the same time I don't see anything wrong with a private bank choosing who it wants to offer accounts to.
For this line to hold, society has to have an answer as to how someone without access to a bank account is supposed to work, find housing, energy, food and water. The only options I can see left available are homelessness, criminality or leaving the country.
Do you have an answer? If not, then there needs to be some way to protect, at a minimum, an individuals only/last bank account.
Yes to function you need A bank account not any specific one.
And if banks have the authority to close down accounts for their own purposes, why would any bank bother with the least attractive customers?
By least attractive do we mean very poor or very right wing? Where is the actual in-practice big problem? I'm thinking the 1st category but it's not something I know much about.
Poor, young, English as a second language, recent immigrants, anyone involved in crypto, gambling or small scale cash generative businesses.
Oh, and as TSE pointed out, those sharing an address with someone else suspected of being high risk. Again, consider the young forced into flat sharing often with strangers.
Easy for the flippant reactions from those who it will never impact, but it is a scandal we allow the banks to do this.
Yes. But I'm not seeing the link to Farage. The tip looks nothing like the iceberg.
MOST Scots believe the Scottish Parliament should have more powers than it does currently, according to a new poll which shows a majority opposed to “the Tories’ deliberate, co-ordinated attempts to reverse devolution”.
The research found that 51.8% of Scots were in favour of more devolution, with 17.7% in favour of powers being taken away from Holyrood.
Was the phrase “the Tories’ deliberate, co-ordinated attempts to reverse devolution” part of the polling question? A bit loaded maybe?
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
Excerpt from "Rosebery: Statesman in Turmoil" by Leo McKinstrey
from letter to Lord Rosebery from Liberal Party organizer W.P. Adams during 1st Midlothian Campaign (1880) -
"The Tories are making faggots like mad . . ."
Referring (of course) to "faggot voters" who qualified for electoral roll due to ostensible transfers of property from (in this instance) landed Conservative supporters.
Wokefinders burning Barbie dolls. Rather like the good old days when a doll with a needle in it was an instant trip to the stake for its owner, esp. if there was a suspicious cat.
Mark Drakeford taking a leaf out of Sir Kid Starvers book and cutting funding for free school meals in wales for the poorest.
I’m sure Marcus Rashford can be mobilised to lobby against this !
Sir Kid Starver: starves his own kids, and will starve yours too.
There's a serious discussion to be had about what children eat, when and where but I'm tempted to agree this is much more about politics than that discussion.
I don't know if it's Uxbridge but Starmer seems desperate not to leave the slightest gap for the Conservatives - he'll support free school meals if the Conservatives support them. I presume his judgement was if he supported them, Sunak and Hunt would turn round and say "and how are you going to pay for these free school meals?".
Aw, shit. One of those amazing talents who you always felt could have been so much more. I'd say "rest in peace", but I don't think "peace" was anything she ever strived for.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
MOST Scots believe the Scottish Parliament should have more powers than it does currently, according to a new poll which shows a majority opposed to “the Tories’ deliberate, co-ordinated attempts to reverse devolution”.
The research found that 51.8% of Scots were in favour of more devolution, with 17.7% in favour of powers being taken away from Holyrood.
Was the phrase “the Tories’ deliberate, co-ordinated attempts to reverse devolution” part of the polling question? A bit loaded maybe?
Doubt that the Times would have let that happen.
The Tories did something in a deliberate co-ordinated manner? Implausible.
Mark Drakeford taking a leaf out of Sir Kid Starvers book and cutting funding for free school meals in wales for the poorest.
I’m sure Marcus Rashford can be mobilised to lobby against this !
Sir Kid Starver: starves his own kids, and will starve yours too.
There's a serious discussion to be had about what children eat, when and where but I'm tempted to agree this is much more about politics than that discussion.
I don't know if it's Uxbridge but Starmer seems desperate not to leave the slightest gap for the Conservatives - he'll support free school meals if the Conservatives support them. I presume his judgement was if he supported them, Sunak and Hunt would turn round and say "and how are you going to pay for these free school meals?".
The original idea was from VAT on private school fees.
But that money's already been allocated to something else (and the projections strike me as wildly optimistic anyway).
Closing the DfE would raise the money, or scrapping SATs and/or GCSEs, but I doubt if that would be followed for all that none of them are of any actual use.
Mark Drakeford taking a leaf out of Sir Kid Starvers book and cutting funding for free school meals in wales for the poorest.
I’m sure Marcus Rashford can be mobilised to lobby against this !
Sir Kid Starver: starves his own kids, and will starve yours too.
There's a serious discussion to be had about what children eat, when and where but I'm tempted to agree this is much more about politics than that discussion.
I don't know if it's Uxbridge but Starmer seems desperate not to leave the slightest gap for the Conservatives - he'll support free school meals if the Conservatives support them. I presume his judgement was if he supported them, Sunak and Hunt would turn round and say "and how are you going to pay for these free school meals?".
It's also distinctly odd for that pair to argue "Look at SKS, he doesn't feed his kids beef!" and "Look at SKS, he doesn't believe in paying for third children on the dole"!
Ken Clarke was on R4 earlier today. I like Ken Clarke. In amongst his reflections he said something along the lines of the best governments of 'recent' years being Thatcher's and Atlee's. In my view he's completely right on the first, but it caused me to reflect and do some small research on what I know of the Atlee government. On the face of it, it seems to have been entirely awful. Atlee just steered the cart into the wall.
What were Atlee's merits? (Let's leave the NHS aside because it's so emotive, and we all know)
Possibly KC was referring to administrative competence. I remember a story about Atlee sacking a Minister and when the indignant man asked "Why?", all Atlee said was "Not up to it". We may believe (and I do) that Atlee's reforms were on balance disastrous and it's a tragedy that Churchill wasn't elected post-war, but he did do 'a lot' in a very short space of time.
The historical and political perspective of nearly 80 years speaking loud and clear there. At the time, let's not forget, Attlee won an overwhelming victory and Churchill's election campaign in 1945 was about as inept as Theresa May's seventy years later.
There was strong support for what Attlee was offering though of course the original and much more decentralised NHS was the brainchild of the Liberal Beveridge.
Given the economic state of the country in August 1945, it's a miracle we survived at all.
Perhaps in 2060 people will claim Thatcher's Government was on balance disastrous - we'll see. I imagine you'll be around to defend it (or perhaps you won't).
I don't defend everything Thatcher did now, so I doubt I'll be doing it in 60 years' time.
Like most 60 year olds Keir Starmer could probably lose a few pounds (though not as many me, at many years less), so his diet is presumably just fine and I assume his kids got enough on their plates.
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
Deep-fried Black Sea Turbot with a tartar dressing and Egg Plant with feta and mozzarella. A glass of Bulgarian rose to go with it.
Balanced diet. Or at least it would be if I hadn't ordered so much of it and now risk becoming a bit of a FB.
You need about a third as much fish and cheese and six times as much vegetable matter, and not just aubergine. Balanced it ain't.
Go for balance overall, not within each individual meal.
He did call it a balanced diet, implying within itself. But sure, on second thoughts I decided he didn't really mean it, on the principle which you enunciate, so I'd already deleted my comment.
Aw, shit. One of those amazing talents who you always felt could have been so much more. I'd say "rest in peace", but I don't think "peace" was anything she ever strived for.
She did a song which was an attack on Thatcherism and racism in England and how awful we are called “Black boys on mopeds” but even though I was a staunch dribbling Tory boy at the time it is still an incredible song. Loved Mandinka too.
I remember a cover of Face magazine where she had been photographed in a long wig and she looked absolutely stunning. Hasn’t worked for Fabricant but can make a real difference.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
It's an ideology, not a diet.
It certainly requires a society with a surplus of food. In places where food is scarce people will eat whatever they can get - it is not like they have a lot of choice.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
Deep-fried Black Sea Turbot with a tartar dressing and Egg Plant with feta and mozzarella. A glass of Bulgarian rose to go with it.
Balanced diet. Or at least it would be if I hadn't ordered so much of it and now risk becoming a bit of a FB.
You need about a third as much fish and cheese and six times as much vegetable matter, and not just aubergine. Balanced it ain't.
Go for balance overall, not within each individual meal.
He did call it a balanced diet, implying within itself. But sure, on second thoughts I decided he didn't really mean it, on the principle which you enunciate, so I'd already deleted my comment.
Who was it said of Shane Warne that his idea of a balanced diet was a cheeseburger in each hand?
Aw, shit. One of those amazing talents who you always felt could have been so much more. I'd say "rest in peace", but I don't think "peace" was anything she ever strived for.
Her son died last year, she'd had an extremely difficult life. We can only hope for a peaceful rest now.
On topic, a fine example of nail-on-the-head from @Cyclefree. Mrs Stodge is in the world of AML, PEPs and the like and everything said in the thread she agrees.
The central point is the confidentiality between the customer and his/her bank isn't absolute until the bank has done its due diligence after which, once it accepts a customer, it applies. Banks are perfectly at liberty to refuse to take the funds of anyone (and it happens more often than we imagine) bit if you meet the bank's criteria, then you are a customer.
I don't know why Badenoch waded in - I've heard more intellectual heft from an empty bag of cheese and onion crisps.
Couldn't agree more, Stodgy.
As a latecomer to this story can someone please explain to me why the lady told the journalist about Farage's account? Was she mischief-making, or just plain ignorant of her obligations?
Aw, shit. One of those amazing talents who you always felt could have been so much more. I'd say "rest in peace", but I don't think "peace" was anything she ever strived for.
She did a song which was an attack on Thatcherism and racism in England and how awful we are called “Black boys on mopeds” but even though I was a staunch dribbling Tory boy at the time it is still an incredible song. Loved Mandinka too.
I remember a cover of Face magazine where she had been photographed in a long wig and she looked absolutely stunning. Hasn’t worked for Fabricant but can make a real difference.
She was beautiful in any hair (or lack of it) cut. Quite ironical that she shaved it off to be less attractive but the camera in the Nothing Compares To You video still adored her.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Off thread: middle daughter has just come home in tears. Last day of junior school today, followed by the traditional water fight in the local park, in, unfortunately, the pouring rain. She has come home absolutely soaking and covered in bruises. The tears are not for this - she is tough as teak - but because she has had a brilliant junior school experience and doesn't want it to be over. It's not that she's not ready to move on, nor that she's not excited about senior school - it's just that being 11 is such a good experience that she doesn't want it to stop. I feel sad for her, of course. But also quite happy for her that junior school has been so good that the end of it elicits this reaction. Oldest daughter has always been mature for her age; youngest daughter has always been the baby. Middle daughter has always been very intensely the age she is now. I've never known anyone like her for living in the present.
Give her a couple weeks hanging with the big kids, and she'll be big-ing with the best!
Perhaps you could tempt her with a wager on that?
Both my daughters cried at the end-of-primary celebrations. Many girls did. It’s about leaving behind something they known for most of their thinking lives. Nothing wrong with tears of that kind.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
It really isn't. Lots of vegans are chronically malnourished and there is plenty of evidence and research to support this fact.
Guess what? Humans need a balanced diet and thrive on such.
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Sounds delicious, but my biscuit loyalty means I must refuse it.
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
Off topic, has anyone ever clad in wood a Portakabin?
I have lots of information on types of wood etc but less on how one attaches the fixing battens on the Portakabin without compromising it.
@Cyclefree, I don't know the exact process but I should imagine it is similar to cladding buildings made out of structural insulated panels. I think you wrap your portakabin in the wrap they use to weatherproof buildings, build a thin wooden frame round the building (so the frame is self-supporting), and attach the battens to the frame. That way the surface is not compromised. If you go onto YouTube and search for "housewrap", you will find how-to videos. Otherwise contact self-builders who will be only too pleased to advise you, possibly at length.
I didn’t see anyone reply to this. I’d be tempted to use Hippo PRO3 adhesive. It’s my go-to for gluing pretty much anything to anything else and won’t compromise the portakabin. You could just glue the battens to it.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
It's an ideology, not a diet.
It certainly requires a society with a surplus of food. In places where food is scarce people will eat whatever they can get - it is not like they have a lot of choice.
I begin to suspect, rather like weather and climate, there's food and there's diet.
PB seems replete with more than its share of gourmands, bon viveurs and restaurant-style chefs.
I feat that may be unrepresentative of wider choice for whom food choice, it seems , is often governed by the pace of life. Would people eat better if we could somehow slow life down?
One of the problems seems to be the "p" word - planning. As with houses, meals, if planned and prepared properly, be very rewarding.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Yes. Your biscuit then is almost exactly a scone (typically our scones are sweetened, but you'd always at least have butter, usually jam (your jelly) and clotted cream). We have savoury versions made with cheese. You'd usually just butter these. They're not typically sandwiched with ham or other fillings as possibly a bit too crumbly? Also too crumbly to cause much pain when thrown. If they even reach the victim whole.
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
He apparently eats fish, so what's correct here?
He eats fish, his wife does not, so at home they are vegetarian. It seems quite unremarkable to me.
His wife is Jewish, and several Jews that I know go veggie when out or travelling as automatically kosher. Perhaps as well as the ethical considerations of Kosher slaughter she simply got to like it.
On topic, a fine example of nail-on-the-head from @Cyclefree. Mrs Stodge is in the world of AML, PEPs and the like and everything said in the thread she agrees.
The central point is the confidentiality between the customer and his/her bank isn't absolute until the bank has done its due diligence after which, once it accepts a customer, it applies. Banks are perfectly at liberty to refuse to take the funds of anyone (and it happens more often than we imagine) bit if you meet the bank's criteria, then you are a customer.
I don't know why Badenoch waded in - I've heard more intellectual heft from an empty bag of cheese and onion crisps.
Couldn't agree more, Stodgy.
As a latecomer to this story can someone please explain to me why the lady told the journalist about Farage's account? Was she mischief-making, or just plain ignorant of her obligations?
I suspect they were being mischievous because Nige is an a***. I also suspect he was below the Coutts' threshold. He won't be now. But it looks like a black horse is coming to his rescue.
Rose was out of order, and Farage might have highlighted a hitherto little known, but unfortunate problem in the banking sector. But having to look at his smug mug on every TV bulletin bellyaching that the world is against this downtrodden national treasure is vomit inducing.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
It really isn't. Lots of vegans are chronically malnourished and there is plenty of evidence and research to support this fact.
Guess what? Humans need a balanced diet and thrive on such.
I wouldn't disagree for a second that lots of vegans are malnorished.
But that is not my contention. I am saying that it is perfectly *possible* to eat a healthy diet as vegan.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Yes. Your biscuit then is almost exactly a scone (typically our scones are sweetened, but you'd always at least have butter, usually jam (your jelly) and clotted cream). We have savoury versions made with cheese. You'd usually just butter these. They're not typically sandwiched with ham or other fillings as possibly a bit too crumbly? Also too crumbly to cause much pain when thrown. If they even reach the victim whole.
A biscuit here is a dry, compacted, crumbly affair. An American example of what we term a biscuit would be an Oero. We are a nation of biscuit lovers because they're ideal to dunk in tea.
Off thread: middle daughter has just come home in tears. Last day of junior school today, followed by the traditional water fight in the local park, in, unfortunately, the pouring rain. She has come home absolutely soaking and covered in bruises. The tears are not for this - she is tough as teak - but because she has had a brilliant junior school experience and doesn't want it to be over. It's not that she's not ready to move on, nor that she's not excited about senior school - it's just that being 11 is such a good experience that she doesn't want it to stop. I feel sad for her, of course. But also quite happy for her that junior school has been so good that the end of it elicits this reaction. Oldest daughter has always been mature for her age; youngest daughter has always been the baby. Middle daughter has always been very intensely the age she is now. I've never known anyone like her for living in the present.
Give her a couple weeks hanging with the big kids, and she'll be big-ing with the best!
Perhaps you could tempt her with a wager on that?
Both my daughters cried at the end-of-primary celebrations. Many girls did. It’s about leaving behind something they known for most of their thinking lives. Nothing wrong with tears of that kind.
Christ, I cried after my leaving dinner at school. In floods in my girlfriend’s car because I felt that life would never be the same again and I would never see a lot of people I had lived with for five years ever again. I didn’t want to leave that place, the people, the life and the surroundings. Might have been too much wine and port though - I will never know.
Off topic, has anyone ever clad in wood a Portakabin?
I have lots of information on types of wood etc but less on how one attaches the fixing battens on the Portakabin without compromising it.
@Cyclefree, I don't know the exact process but I should imagine it is similar to cladding buildings made out of structural insulated panels. I think you wrap your portakabin in the wrap they use to weatherproof buildings, build a thin wooden frame round the building (so the frame is self-supporting), and attach the battens to the frame. That way the surface is not compromised. If you go onto YouTube and search for "housewrap", you will find how-to videos. Otherwise contact self-builders who will be only too pleased to advise you, possibly at length.
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
He apparently eats fish, so what's correct here?
He eats fish, his wife does not, so at home they are vegetarian. It seems quite unremarkable to me.
His wife is Jewish, and several Jews that I know go veggie when out or travelling as automatically kosher. Perhaps as well as the ethical considerations of Kosher slaughter she simply got to like it.
I love South Indian food: dhosas and bhel pooris and thaalis. And that's all vegetarian. I also love meat and fish and cheese. (Although not American cheese.)
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
He apparently eats fish, so what's correct here?
He eats fish, his wife does not, so at home they are vegetarian. It seems quite unremarkable to me.
His wife is Jewish, and several Jews that I know go veggie when out or travelling as automatically kosher. Perhaps as well as the ethical considerations of Kosher slaughter she simply got to like it.
It also seems completely different to what you said when you were trying to make Starmer out to be the adonis-like poster child of senior vegetarians.
Aw, shit. One of those amazing talents who you always felt could have been so much more. I'd say "rest in peace", but I don't think "peace" was anything she ever strived for.
Her son died last year, she'd had an extremely difficult life. We can only hope for a peaceful rest now.
This is how I'll remember her. Particularly the way she says goodbye at the end. I don't know her, obviously. But I'd like to think that the playful side to her was just as important an aspect as the tortured soul she was known as. https://youtu.be/s8oqKyVW978
On topic, a fine example of nail-on-the-head from @Cyclefree. Mrs Stodge is in the world of AML, PEPs and the like and everything said in the thread she agrees.
The central point is the confidentiality between the customer and his/her bank isn't absolute until the bank has done its due diligence after which, once it accepts a customer, it applies. Banks are perfectly at liberty to refuse to take the funds of anyone (and it happens more often than we imagine) bit if you meet the bank's criteria, then you are a customer.
I don't know why Badenoch waded in - I've heard more intellectual heft from an empty bag of cheese and onion crisps.
Couldn't agree more, Stodgy.
As a latecomer to this story can someone please explain to me why the lady told the journalist about Farage's account? Was she mischief-making, or just plain ignorant of her obligations?
I suspect they were being mischievous because Nige is an a***. I also suspect he was below the Coutts' threshold. He won't be now. But it looks like a black horse is coming to his rescue.
Rose was out of order, and Farage might have highlighted a hitherto little known, but unfortunate problem in the banking sector. But having to look at his smug mug on every TV bulletin bellyaching that the world is against this downtrodden national treasure is vomit inducing.
It’s quite probable that she didn’t know the exact circumstances of the Farage situation, due to data protection rules internally.
1) So she decided to mouth off to a journalist. 2) And tell him stuff that wasn’t true. 3) And when the BBC rang up next day, said OK to running her comments.
Stupid^3 - getting into a bullshitting competition with Nigel Farage?
I didn’t see anyone reply to this. I’d be tempted to use Hippo PRO3 adhesive. It’s my go-to for gluing pretty much anything to anything else and won’t compromise the portakabin. You could just glue the battens to it.
ETA: ah I see viewcode got there before me.
Thank you. I'll look into both.
The Portakabin is sitting on land being an eyesore and storing stuff Himself says will come in useful one day. Of course they won't. I can deal with that side of things. So am thinking of moving it, cladding it and using it as a sort of summerhouse / office / place to retire to after a day's gardening. It should - I hope - come in cheaper than garden office structures which seem to be ludicrously expensive.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
It really isn't. Lots of vegans are chronically malnourished and there is plenty of evidence and research to support this fact.
Guess what? Humans need a balanced diet and thrive on such.
I wouldn't disagree for a second that lots of vegans are malnorished.
But that is not my contention. I am saying that it is perfectly *possible* to eat a healthy diet as vegan.
It isn't unusual for anorectics to go vegan as a way to lose weight, and refuse family meals etc. Sometimes it is the malnutrition that causes veganism rather than vice-versa.
There are ample numbers of healthy well nourished vegans, though few obese ones. That level of weight usually requires eating loads of saturated fat from meat or dairy.
Quite horrendous actually. The fact he didn't subject them to full veganism is the only saving grace. Let's hope their development hasn't been affected too badly.
Do you expect vegetarians like the Sunaks to feed their children on meat, or is it just white folk that should?
Cultures with a long-standing vegetarian tradition have developed strategies to compensate for the lack of meat in their diet - liberal use of spices and butter/ghee being too examples I can think of within many dishes from India. That is different from faddish UK vegetarians - though I believe a diet that includes meat and fish to be the healthiest available for everyone, yes.
As the Starmers have been vegetarian for decades and SKS is not noticeably cachectic or suffering from beri-beri, do you not think that they are capable of a varied vegetarian diet, as much as any Hindu?
He apparently eats fish, so what's correct here?
He eats fish, his wife does not, so at home they are vegetarian. It seems quite unremarkable to me.
His wife is Jewish, and several Jews that I know go veggie when out or travelling as automatically kosher. Perhaps as well as the ethical considerations of Kosher slaughter she simply got to like it.
It also seems completely different to what you said when you were trying to make Starmer out to be the adonis-like poster child of senior vegetarians.
You will have to quote where I said that, I don't recall saying it.
Ken Clarke was on R4 earlier today. I like Ken Clarke. In amongst his reflections he said something along the lines of the best governments of 'recent' years being Thatcher's and Atlee's. In my view he's completely right on the first, but it caused me to reflect and do some small research on what I know of the Atlee government. On the face of it, it seems to have been entirely awful. Atlee just steered the cart into the wall.
What were Atlee's merits? (Let's leave the NHS aside because it's so emotive, and we all know)
Good point, what were Thatcher's merits (Let's leave tranforming the economy, because it's so emotive, and we all know).
Here's an easy one, AIDS: as a scientist, and despite her methodist beliefs, she did what was effective at saving lives, not merely retreating in the comfort zone of "abstinence first".
I'm not sure that's fair. Just as narratives of Reagan's role in the Falklands must include Caspar Weinberger who did a Leo on him, allegedly in the Oval Office, tales of Thatcher during AIDS must include people like Norman Fowler, and Edwina Currie and (I might be wrong here:swiss cheese memory) David Mellor who pressed for action when many did not.
Ken Clarke was on R4 earlier today. I like Ken Clarke. In amongst his reflections he said something along the lines of the best governments of 'recent' years being Thatcher's and Atlee's. In my view he's completely right on the first, but it caused me to reflect and do some small research on what I know of the Atlee government. On the face of it, it seems to have been entirely awful. Atlee just steered the cart into the wall.
What were Atlee's merits? (Let's leave the NHS aside because it's so emotive, and we all know)
National Assistance Act 1948 which finally abolished the Poor Law system and provided benefits and assistance for those who did not pay national insurance contributions. Established legal aid too and mass nationalisation of industry for leftwingers as well as decolonisation of India and Pakistan and as you mention setting up the NHS
On topic, a fine example of nail-on-the-head from @Cyclefree. Mrs Stodge is in the world of AML, PEPs and the like and everything said in the thread she agrees.
The central point is the confidentiality between the customer and his/her bank isn't absolute until the bank has done its due diligence after which, once it accepts a customer, it applies. Banks are perfectly at liberty to refuse to take the funds of anyone (and it happens more often than we imagine) bit if you meet the bank's criteria, then you are a customer.
I don't know why Badenoch waded in - I've heard more intellectual heft from an empty bag of cheese and onion crisps.
Couldn't agree more, Stodgy.
As a latecomer to this story can someone please explain to me why the lady told the journalist about Farage's account? Was she mischief-making, or just plain ignorant of her obligations?
A woke banker + a BBC reporter...Nigel Farage... hmmm.. while i'm thinking you do the math!
Aw, shit. One of those amazing talents who you always felt could have been so much more. I'd say "rest in peace", but I don't think "peace" was anything she ever strived for.
She did a song which was an attack on Thatcherism and racism in England and how awful we are called “Black boys on mopeds” but even though I was a staunch dribbling Tory boy at the time it is still an incredible song. Loved Mandinka too.
I remember a cover of Face magazine where she had been photographed in a long wig and she looked absolutely stunning. Hasn’t worked for Fabricant but can make a real difference.
She was beautiful in any hair (or lack of it) cut. Quite ironical that she shaved it off to be less attractive but the camera in the Nothing Compares To You video still adored her.
We had neighbours who were quite strict vegetarians and brought their children up that way as well. For some reason the school decided they were under-nourished and contacted Social Services who paid them a visit and told them that the kids needed to be offered meat and fish as well.
Pesky interfering state telling people how to feed their kids????
One of the most tiresome people I know is a strict vegan. She eats vegan. Her husband eats vegan. Her daughter eats vegan. Even the bloody dog eats vegan.
And trust me, if you're not careful, you will end up on the receiving end of a lecture on the evils of eating any kind of animal product.
But their daughter is not malnourished. She's a 13 year old, five foot eleven girl, who is super fit, and plays basketball at an extremely high level.
It is perfectly possible, so long as you are careful to make sure you eat foods fortified with Vitamin B12, to have a very healthy vegan diet.
I have noticed that most vegans will tell you they are vegan in about the first 5 minutes of conversation and having known several, I have yet to see any of them sit down at the table look at their dinner plate and rub their hands together in anticipation of a delicious repast. They look at their plate more like a difficult task they need to get through.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
I recently flourished a ham biscuit at a vegetarian friend, and asked him IF that constituted a hate crime.
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
Correction - I brandished that biscuit, thus a possible criminal violation IF a ham biscuit is indeed a weapon.
Very confusing on a British forum - by 'biscuit', you mean 'scone' yes? Never had a ham one. Had a cheese one.
In USA, a scone is a (usually) triangular SWEET pastry. Whereas (our) biscuits are (generally) square or round, usually made from wheat.
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
Yes. Your biscuit then is almost exactly a scone (typically our scones are sweetened, but you'd always at least have butter, usually jam (your jelly) and clotted cream). We have savoury versions made with cheese. You'd usually just butter these. They're not typically sandwiched with ham or other fillings as possibly a bit too crumbly? Also too crumbly to cause much pain when thrown. If they even reach the victim whole.
A biscuit here is a dry, compacted, crumbly affair. An American example of what we term a biscuit would be an Oero. We are a nation of biscuit lovers because they're ideal to dunk in tea.
Ken Clarke was on R4 earlier today. I like Ken Clarke. In amongst his reflections he said something along the lines of the best governments of 'recent' years being Thatcher's and Atlee's. In my view he's completely right on the first, but it caused me to reflect and do some small research on what I know of the Atlee government. On the face of it, it seems to have been entirely awful. Atlee just steered the cart into the wall.
What were Atlee's merits? (Let's leave the NHS aside because it's so emotive, and we all know)
Good point, what were Thatcher's merits (Let's leave tranforming the economy, because it's so emotive, and we all know).
Here's an easy one, AIDS: as a scientist, and despite her methodist beliefs, she did what was effective at saving lives, not merely retreating in the comfort zone of "abstinence first".
I'm not sure that's fair. Just as narratives of Reagan's role in the Falklands must include Caspar Weinberger who did a Leo on him, allegedly in the Oval Office, tales of Thatcher during AIDS must include people like Norman Fowler, and Edwina Currie and (I might be wrong here:swiss cheese memory) David Mellor who pressed for action when many did not.
So, because she received good advice, we shouldn't give her credit?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66310280
Norwegian ferry company, unrelatedly, bans them:
https://ctif.org/news/norwegian-shipping-company-bans-electric-cars-board-classic-ferry-route
The enquiry has recommended victims receive full compensation now.
That is not on offer, Sunak just wants to kick the can down the road.
Meanwhile victims die at the rate of 1 every 4 days.
Just like the victims of the post office scandal, it’s an absolute disgrace they have not had any compensation just meaningless platitudes from politicians.
I could be a veggie, but never a vegan.
There was strong support for what Attlee was offering though of course the original and much more decentralised NHS was the brainchild of the Liberal Beveridge.
Given the economic state of the country in August 1945, it's a miracle we survived at all.
Perhaps in 2060 people will claim Thatcher's Government was on balance disastrous - we'll see. I imagine you'll be around to defend it (or perhaps you won't).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001p1rn
He replied, hell yes! But that he would NOT press charges IF yours truly refrained from throwing it at him.
I’m sure Marcus Rashford can be mobilised to lobby against this !
On topic, a fine example of nail-on-the-head from @Cyclefree. Mrs Stodge is in the world of AML, PEPs and the like and everything said in the thread she agrees.
The central point is the confidentiality between the customer and his/her bank isn't absolute until the bank has done its due diligence after which, once it accepts a customer, it applies. Banks are perfectly at liberty to refuse to take the funds of anyone (and it happens more often than we imagine) bit if you meet the bank's criteria, then you are a customer.
I don't know why Badenoch waded in - I've heard more intellectual heft from an empty bag of cheese and onion crisps.
Leaving aside the ethical questions of removing food from hungry children, the more people hammer the repellant Drakeford and his equally loathsome party the better.
About the only thing I can think of in his favour is he's not quite as awful as Andrew RT Davies.
https://youtu.be/FWa-aMiqQKE - Beautiful cover of Elton's Sacrifice here.
Excerpt from "Rosebery: Statesman in Turmoil" by Leo McKinstrey
from letter to Lord Rosebery from Liberal Party organizer W.P. Adams during 1st Midlothian Campaign (1880) -
"The Tories are making faggots like mad . . ."
Referring (of course) to "faggot voters" who qualified for electoral roll due to ostensible transfers of property from (in this instance) landed Conservative supporters.
Wokefinders burning Barbie dolls. Rather like the good old days when a doll with a needle in it was an instant trip to the stake for its owner, esp. if there was a suspicious cat.
I don't know if it's Uxbridge but Starmer seems desperate not to leave the slightest gap for the Conservatives - he'll support free school meals if the Conservatives support them. I presume his judgement was if he supported them, Sunak and Hunt would turn round and say "and how are you going to pay for these free school meals?".
Balanced diet. Or at least it would be if I hadn't ordered so much of it and now risk becoming a bit of a FB.
But that money's already been allocated to something else (and the projections strike me as wildly optimistic anyway).
Closing the DfE would raise the money, or scrapping SATs and/or GCSEs, but I doubt if that would be followed for all that none of them are of any actual use.
(Though "Egg Plant"? On a - @SeaShantyIrish2 aside - British English forum? Come on.)
I remember a cover of Face magazine where she had been photographed in a long wig and she looked absolutely stunning. Hasn’t worked for Fabricant but can make a real difference.
Biscuit being misused is unacceptable however, as LuckyGuy notes.
Quick, slap a steak on it before you expire!
I just don't pull my punches in combating the other side.
I don't eat meat at every single meal.
As a latecomer to this story can someone please explain to me why the lady told the journalist about Farage's account? Was she mischief-making, or just plain ignorant of her obligations?
American biscuits typically plain that is zero filling UNTIL the eater adds butter, jam and/or honey.
OR alternatively, a slice of meat, most typically ham. Thus ham biscuit!
However, the biscuit I brandished, actually had bits of ham baked into it, so a variation on the theme.
2024 - "Satan Stomach" Starmer
Addendum - Hope CR's Bulgar(ian) feast is as good as it looks!
This leaves 999,993…
It was Mordor on the dance floor.
I didn’t see anyone reply to this. I’d be tempted to use Hippo PRO3 adhesive. It’s my go-to for gluing pretty much anything to anything else and won’t compromise the portakabin. You could just glue the battens to it.
ETA: ah I see viewcode got there before me.
PB seems replete with more than its share of gourmands, bon viveurs and restaurant-style chefs.
I feat that may be unrepresentative of wider choice for whom food choice, it seems , is often governed by the pace of life. Would people eat better if we could somehow slow life down?
One of the problems seems to be the "p" word - planning. As with houses, meals, if planned and prepared properly, be very rewarding.
His wife is Jewish, and several Jews that I know go veggie when out or travelling as automatically kosher. Perhaps as well as the ethical considerations of Kosher slaughter she simply got to like it.
Rose was out of order, and Farage might have highlighted a hitherto little known, but unfortunate problem in the banking sector. But having to look at his smug mug on every TV bulletin bellyaching that the world is against this downtrodden national treasure is vomit inducing.
But that is not my contention. I am saying that it is perfectly *possible* to eat a healthy diet as vegan.
I don't know her, obviously. But I'd like to think that the playful side to her was just as important an aspect as the tortured soul she was known as.
https://youtu.be/s8oqKyVW978
1) So she decided to mouth off to a journalist. 2) And tell him stuff that wasn’t true.
3) And when the BBC rang up next day, said OK to running her comments.
Stupid^3 - getting into a bullshitting competition with Nigel Farage?
The Portakabin is sitting on land being an eyesore and storing stuff Himself says will come in useful one day. Of course they won't. I can deal with that side of things. So am thinking of moving it, cladding it and using it as a sort of summerhouse / office / place to retire to after a day's gardening. It should - I hope - come in cheaper than garden office structures which seem to be ludicrously expensive.
There are ample numbers of healthy well nourished vegans, though few obese ones. That level of weight usually requires eating loads of saturated fat from meat or dairy.
(With due apology to Cookie.)
That seems a little harsh.