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35 years ago today Die Hard was released in cinemas – politicalbetting.com

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edited July 2023 in General
35 years ago today Die Hard was released in cinemas – politicalbetting.com

It's that time of year again. Is Die Hard a Christmas film?46% of Britons say it’s not a festive flick, compared to 37% who say it ishttps://t.co/KioKfwItQb pic.twitter.com/wjwkBqrSDg

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited July 2023
    Alright melon farmers.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Curious age distribution. Too small a sample?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Christmas or no, it's just not a very good film is it?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    But is Batman Returns (Pfieffer, De Vito) a Christmas film?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630

    Christmas or no, it's just not a very good film is it?

    Nonsense, it is a great film, one of Alan Rickman's all time great performances, which is high praise.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Christmas is over-rated anyway.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    But... Is Starmer in tune with the nation on this, too?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Christmas or no, it's just not a very good film is it?

    Nonsense, it is a great film, one of Alan Rickman's all time great performances, which is high praise.
    His first film performance too as well I think which makes it even more impressive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    Since we've no place to go...let's talk about Die Hard.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Selebian said:

    But... Is Starmer in tune with the nation on this, too?

    ..and what's his stance regarding pineapple on pizza? THE ELECTORATE NEEDS TO KNOW
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited July 2023
    I have long said, you can't trust the public view on anything....
  • Greatest Christmas action film. One of the three great Christmas action films of my childhood, along with Gremlins and Batman Returns.

    Plenty of other Christmas films were released in the summer too. Holiday Inn, featuring Bing Crosby's White Christmas, was released in August 1942.

    While Miracle on 34th Street was released in June 1947.

    I'm curious if Miracle on 34th Street and Holiday Inn aren't Christmas films in TSE's eyes?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    viewcode said:

    Alright melon farmers.


    Is a film set during Christmas, involving a Christmas party, a Christmas film? It's a puzzler and no mistake.
    The film was set in nakatomi towers hq of a japanese company.

    Only 1.5% of japanese are christians so it probably was a winterval celebration at best but more likely a celebration of Shimai Tenjin
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630

    Selebian said:

    But... Is Starmer in tune with the nation on this, too?

    ..and what's his stance regarding pineapple on pizza? THE ELECTORATE NEEDS TO KNOW
    Have you forgot this poster?


  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Christmas or no, it's just not a very good film is it?

    Nonsense, it is a great film, one of Alan Rickman's all time great performances, which is high praise.
    Rickman is a pearl amongst swine in this film. Even then, he put in better performances as Snape than as Hans Gruber.

    On no level at all is Die Hard a 'great film'. It's pants tbh.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    ydoethur said:

    Since we've no place to go...let's talk about Die Hard.

    It was either this or a thread on the cashless society.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    But is Batman Returns (Pfieffer, De Vito) a Christmas film?

    Also yes. "Batman Returns" is basically Tim Burton's fantasy of a family Xmas. He dresses up as a bat, his girlfriend dresses up in full latex gimp mode, and she and their deformed flipper-handed child spend Xmas Day playing with rubber ducks. It's a classic!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Pagan2 said:

    viewcode said:

    Alright melon farmers.


    Is a film set during Christmas, involving a Christmas party, a Christmas film? It's a puzzler and no mistake.
    The film was set in nakatomi towers hq of a japanese company.

    Only 1.5% of japanese are christians so it probably was a winterval celebration at best but more likely a celebration of Shimai Tenjin
    It has a Christmas tree in the big party room
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    England win the Women’s cricket.

    Now evens on points with the Aussies.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    ydoethur said:

    Since we've no place to go...let's talk about Die Hard.

    It was either this or a thread on the cashless society.
    Ok, you made the right choice.

    Unless it was about Bill Cash, in which case I'm sure we could all get behind the idea of a cashless society.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    And in other news:

    "Many young people in Italy are expressing outrage on social media, after a judge cleared a school caretaker of groping a teenager, because it did not last long enough."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66174352
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Christmas is over-rated anyway.

    All the best music is for Epiphany.

    I will literally travel hundreds of miles for a good Epiphany Carol Service.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    And in other news:

    "Many young people in Italy are expressing outrage on social media, after a judge cleared a school caretaker of groping a teenager, because it did not last long enough."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66174352

    I would like to think in this country we would bang the sleazy fucker up.

    But those cases in Scotland and Stoke where rapists of young girls walked free have rather dented my confidence.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/die-hard-christmas-movie-screenwriter-steven-e-de-souza-1201911181/

    "‘Die Hard’ Screenwriter Confirms the Film is a Christmas Movie, So Everyone Can Stop Debating Now.
    Steven E. de Souza ended the debate in the most hilarious way possible."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    @TSE. This article is your equivalent of that "Calm down everybody, everything's going to be just fine" video The Day Today did, isn't it?... :)
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    edited July 2023
    FPT

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Rare that the whole thread including below the line is wrong but this will cost Labour votes despite being sensible and good policy. Doesn't make much difference to the big picture as the Tories are so abject on everything else, left with complete lightweights steering the ship and have nothing positive to offer the country whatsoever.

    Serious question what good will come of it?

    If nothing else, it will force a significant number of families, who believe that education is important, into the state system.
    It will improve the schools they are at, it wont improve other schools was my point and I believe it will make it harder for the poorer in society to get their children into the good state schools.

    Currently the choices are private schools, good state schools, failing schools.

    Now if you abolish private schools then that 7% are going to end up in the good state schools. That means 7% less places in good state schools and guess which kids are going to be displaced....yes the poorer ones
    Unless the money being spent on private schools can be redirected to make those failing schools better. Maybe if the wealthiest 7% had to send their kids to state schools, they'd become more interested in making sure state schools were better, including in how they voted!
    Again those going from private to state are not going to put their kids into the failing schools they will use their money to leverage them into good state schools.

    I really dont get how you dont see this.

    My millionaire and his wife....oh private schools have been abolished

    do they
    a) go lets buy a house in the catchement area of a good state school so offspring get the best state schooling

    or

    b) well the local state school is shit but we will send offspring there anyway

    I suspect a) is going to be the answer
    How can you ban private schools?

    "Join our home education group. We have excellent local tutors who just happen to have worked at Eton for 15 years."

    I know home education is frowned upon as it allows children to disappear from the "system", but it would be a major imposition to ban it as well.
    That school attendance isn't compulsory and home educators don't have to register with the state is one of the best things about this country.

    The existence of private schools, especially single-sex boarding schools, is one of the worst.

    If people wanted to do what you say, let them.

    Be aware, though, that there are such things as illegal schools, many of which are "faith" schools. See s96 of the Education and Skills Act 2008. The authorities don't do much to enforce this law.



  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    Selebian said:

    But... Is Starmer in tune with the nation on this, too?

    ..and what's his stance regarding pineapple on pizza? THE ELECTORATE NEEDS TO KNOW
    Have you forgot this poster?


    Was there ever a poster on which Sunak confirms Die Hard is the ultimate festive film? Yippee ki-yay.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    viewcode said:

    Alright melon farmers.


    Is a film set during Christmas, involving a Christmas party, a Christmas film? It's a puzzler and no mistake.
    The film was set in nakatomi towers hq of a japanese company.

    Only 1.5% of japanese are christians so it probably was a winterval celebration at best but more likely a celebration of Shimai Tenjin
    It has a Christmas tree in the big party room
    My local common is full of fir trees that look like christmas trees, they are there all year round doesn't mean my local common thinks it is christmas every day
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    The limo driver, Argyle, was listening to this song in the car park basement:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR07r0ZMFb8

    CHRISTMAS IN HOLLIS!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    ...

    Selebian said:

    But... Is Starmer in tune with the nation on this, too?

    ..and what's his stance regarding pineapple on pizza? THE ELECTORATE NEEDS TO KNOW
    Have you forgot this poster?


    Was there ever a poster on which Sunak confirms Die Hard is the ultimate festive film? Yippee ki-yay.
    I wonder if he drinks this when not drinking coke?


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Pagan2 said:

    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    viewcode said:

    Alright melon farmers.


    Is a film set during Christmas, involving a Christmas party, a Christmas film? It's a puzzler and no mistake.
    The film was set in nakatomi towers hq of a japanese company.

    Only 1.5% of japanese are christians so it probably was a winterval celebration at best but more likely a celebration of Shimai Tenjin
    It has a Christmas tree in the big party room
    My local common is full of fir trees that look like christmas trees, they are there all year round doesn't mean my local common thinks it is christmas every day
    The forest has deep knowledge that humans cannot encompass. If you can commune with the spirit of the common once more to find out who is going to win the Newbury races this week, I would be most grateful. 😀
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    "NOW I HAVE A BBC PRESENTER!

    HO! HO! HO!"
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Greatest Christmas action film. One of the three great Christmas action films of my childhood, along with Gremlins and Batman Returns.

    Plenty of other Christmas films were released in the summer too. Holiday Inn, featuring Bing Crosby's White Christmas, was released in August 1942.

    While Miracle on 34th Street was released in June 1947.

    I'm curious if Miracle on 34th Street and Holiday Inn aren't Christmas films in TSE's eyes?

    Both too schmaltzy and with insufficient run'n'gun to be true Christmas movies. Die Hard set the formula.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Omnium said:

    Why is there a Christmas thread in the middle of the summer?

    Presumably because @squareroot2 is tired of threads about how rubbish the Conservatives are and how they are going down to the worst defeat since (you can fill in your own reference from the Punic Wars) .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    According to @TSE's "logic", Saving Private Ryan can't be a WW2 film cos it was released in 1998.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    Can I just say I have not watched Die Hard nor been in cinema since the 1970s
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Can I just say I have not watched Die Hard...

    You've not missed much.

    ...nor been in cinema since the 1970s

    You've missed a lot there, though.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    edited July 2023

    I have long said, you can't trust the public view on anything....

    [Deleted. My reply was overly recursive and insufficiently funny]
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Can I just say I have not watched Die Hard nor been in cinema since the 1970s

    Would you like a medal for that?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Do you have a suggestion?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    edited July 2023
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    According to @TSE's "logic", Saving Private Ryan can't be a WW2 film cos it was released in 1998.

    Most historical films are released after the events they depict.

    Except of course for the iPads in 2001.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Is 'The Black Ice' a Christmas crime novel? Is 'In Memoriam' a Christmas poem?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    DougSeal said:

    Can I just say I have not watched Die Hard nor been in cinema since the 1970s

    Would you like a medal for that?
    Just different interests dominated by sport
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705



    You've missed a lot there, though.

    Die Hard 2, Die Hard With a Vengeance, Die Hard 4.0, the other one...
  • Gremlins is clearly a Christmas story too and was also released in summer, which allowed time for marketing hype to build up for extra merchandising ... at Christmas.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    According to @TSE's "logic", Saving Private Ryan can't be a WW2 film cos it was released in 1998.

    Die Hard is not a Christmas film because it's just not at all Christmasy, it's as simple as that.

    Where is the charity, the goodwill to all men, the sense of light from darkness, of re-birth and renewal, in Die Hard?

    DH is fundamentally a boys' own shoot'em up with no redeeming features.

    No, not even Alan Rickman manages to rescue it.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Gremlins is clearly a Christmas story too and was also released in summer, which allowed time for marketing hype to build up for extra merchandising ... at Christmas.

    The release date is irrelevant, I'll give you that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663



    You've missed a lot there, though.

    Die Hard 2, Die Hard With a Vengeance, Die Hard 4.0, the other one...
    ...and Big_G avoided a lot too, tbf.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    The Muppet Christmas Carol is far and away the best Christmas film. Pure genius throughout (apart from Tiny Tim, who should really be a weird pig-frog hybrid)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    edited July 2023
    viewcode said:

    I have long said, you can't trust the public view on anything....

    [Deleted. My reply was overly recursive and insufficiently funny]
    Never stops me. Let it rip!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Hola desde Espana. Tonight's holiday film is The Rock
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    According to @TSE's "logic", Saving Private Ryan can't be a WW2 film cos it was released in 1998.

    Die Hard is not a Christmas film because it's just not at all Christmasy, it's as simple as that.

    Where is the charity, the goodwill to all men, the sense of light from darkness, of re-birth and renewal, in Die Hard?

    DH is fundamentally a boys' own shoot'em up with no redeeming features.

    No, not even Alan Rickman manages to rescue it.
    Argyle, the limo driver was listening to this in the tower car park basement:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR07r0ZMFb8

    It's Christmas time in Hollis, Queens
    Mom's cooking chicken and collard greens
    Rice and stuffing, macaroni and cheese
    And Santa put gifts under Christmas trees
    Decorate the house with lights at night
    Snow's on the ground, snow white so bright
    In the fireplace is the yule log
    Beneath the mistletoe as we drink eggnog
    The rhymes you hear are the rhymes of Darryl's
    But each and every year we bust Christmas carols
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    edited July 2023
    viewcode said:

    According to @TSE's "logic", Saving Private Ryan can't be a WW2 film cos it was released in 1998.

    Most historical films are released after the events they depict.

    Except of course for the iPads in 2001.
    [For all those of you who don't know, Clarke/Kubrick did not want the displays in the movie to use CRTs, so they used back projections and careful angles, ensuring that all the displays were flat rectangles with 90degree corners. The tablets that Poole and Bowman used were therefore A4 size pads displaying a flat moving image cand interactive text. When the iPad came out, The studio who inherited the rights to 2001 (Sony) sued to prevent copyright, contending that 2001 had predicted the concept in detail and was therefore prior art. Perhaps unfortunately, they lost.]
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    They claimed being the operative word...should the police investigate certainly and if guilty he should be a rolf a like. If not guilty it has destroyed a mans life and that of his family for no more than gossip
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    The age of consent is 16 so that does not make him a paedophile.

    It does mean he was acting in a less than desired moral way at the time but a paedophile, no.

    Albeit it is illegal to take photos of under 18s outside your own family but the police are taking no further action in this case
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    The Muppet Christmas Carol is far and away the best Christmas film. Pure genius throughout (apart from Tiny Tim, who should really be a weird pig-frog hybrid)
    Yes.
    All the boy kids are frogs, and girl kids pigs.
    How does that work?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    edited July 2023
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    The Muppet Christmas Carol is far and away the best Christmas film. Pure genius throughout (apart from Tiny Tim, who should really be a weird pig-frog hybrid)
    Yes.
    All the boy kids are frogs, and girl kids pigs.
    How does that work?
    Genetics.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
    Summer film but not inclusive which was the challenge I believe
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    edited July 2023
    Forget Christmas (or not) films, forget BBC presenters, the important questions remain:

    1. Will Biden stand again?
    2. When will the next GE be?
    3. How big a defeat will the Tories suffer?
    4. What on earth are Mrs P. and I going to have for dinner tomorrow?
  • AugustaAugusta Posts: 13
    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    They claimed being the operative word...should the police investigate certainly and if guilty he should be a rolf a like. If not guilty it has destroyed a mans life and that of his family for no more than gossip
    Not really. His behaviour in threatening a young man was pretty disgusting. He also broke lockdown rules at a time when he was telling people to stay home.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    Forget Christmas (or not) films, forget BBC presenters, the important questions remain:

    1. Will Biden stand again?
    2. When will the next GE be?
    3. How big a defeat will the Tories suffer?
    4. What on earth are Mrs P. and I going to have for dinner tomorrow?

    I can only answer 4) assuming you eat pork https://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/pork-recipes/pork-chops-with-prosciutto-apple-and-stilton/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    The age of consent is 16 so that does not make him a paedophile.

    It does mean he was acting in a less than desired moral way at the time but a paedophile, no.

    Albeit it is illegal to take photos of under 18s outside your own family but the police are taking no further action in this case
    It is not illegal to take photos of under 18s regardless of whose family they are in.

    It is illegal to take indecent images of under 18s, and that applies even if they are in your family.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Peck said:

    FPT

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Rare that the whole thread including below the line is wrong but this will cost Labour votes despite being sensible and good policy. Doesn't make much difference to the big picture as the Tories are so abject on everything else, left with complete lightweights steering the ship and have nothing positive to offer the country whatsoever.

    Serious question what good will come of it?

    If nothing else, it will force a significant number of families, who believe that education is important, into the state system.
    It will improve the schools they are at, it wont improve other schools was my point and I believe it will make it harder for the poorer in society to get their children into the good state schools.

    Currently the choices are private schools, good state schools, failing schools.

    Now if you abolish private schools then that 7% are going to end up in the good state schools. That means 7% less places in good state schools and guess which kids are going to be displaced....yes the poorer ones
    Unless the money being spent on private schools can be redirected to make those failing schools better. Maybe if the wealthiest 7% had to send their kids to state schools, they'd become more interested in making sure state schools were better, including in how they voted!
    Again those going from private to state are not going to put their kids into the failing schools they will use their money to leverage them into good state schools.

    I really dont get how you dont see this.

    My millionaire and his wife....oh private schools have been abolished

    do they
    a) go lets buy a house in the catchement area of a good state school so offspring get the best state schooling

    or

    b) well the local state school is shit but we will send offspring there anyway

    I suspect a) is going to be the answer
    How can you ban private schools?

    "Join our home education group. We have excellent local tutors who just happen to have worked at Eton for 15 years."

    I know home education is frowned upon as it allows children to disappear from the "system", but it would be a major imposition to ban it as well.
    That school attendance isn't compulsory and home educators don't have to register with the state is one of the best things about this country.

    The existence of private schools, especially single-sex boarding schools, is one of the worst.

    If people wanted to do what you say, let them.

    Be aware, though, that there are such things as illegal schools, many of which are "faith" schools. See s96 of the Education and Skills Act 2008. The authorities don't do much to enforce this law.



    Then the good and the bad must coexist. Logically the only method by which private schools could be abolished entails making state school attendance compulsory.
  • AugustaAugusta Posts: 13
    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    The age of consent is 16 so that does not make him a paedophile.

    It does mean he was acting in a less than desired moral way at the time but a paedophile, no.

    Albeit it is illegal to take photos of under 18s outside your own family but the police are taking no further action in this case
    The police could actually take action over his breaking of lockdown rules. Surprised they didnt given this was the man presenting the 10 o clock news.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    The age of consent is 16 so that does not make him a paedophile.

    It does mean he was acting in a less than desired moral way at the time but a paedophile, no.

    Albeit it is illegal to take photos of under 18s outside your own family but the police are taking no further action in this case
    Note the repeated use of the world "child". They were desperate to paint him as a gay kiddy fiddler. Not only was this a lie, they knew it was a lie.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Christmas or no, it's just not a very good film is it?

    Nonsense, it is a great film, one of Alan Rickman's all time great performances, which is high praise.
    Rickman is a pearl amongst swine in this film. Even then, he put in better performances as Snape than as Hans Gruber.

    On no level at all is Die Hard a 'great film'. It's pants tbh.
    As a true and deep believer in the freedom of speech…

    {puts on black cap}

    I hear by sentence you. That you shall be taken from this place to a place of incarceration where you shall be placed in the same cell as Piers Moron, Piers Corbyn and Julian Assange for a term not less than 20 years. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead track on permanent, unstoppable repeat. The only written matter is the ability to read the comments on ConHome.

    May God have Mercy on your Soul!
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    edited July 2023

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    No it doesn't make him a paedophile. It doesn't even make him a hebephile. It makes him an ephebophile.

    It also makes him in my and many other people's opinions a dirty old b*stard.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
    Summer film but not inclusive which was the challenge I believe
    Well Grease then maybe - 'Summer Nights' song.

    Less inclusive would be Manon Des Source, but infinitely better. Or perhaps Grapes of Wrath.


    Spring films can obviously be anchored to 'The Producers'
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    The age of consent is 16 so that does not make him a paedophile.

    It does mean he was acting in a less than desired moral way at the time but a paedophile, no.

    Albeit it is illegal to take photos of under 18s outside your own family but the police are taking no further action in this case
    What?! Are you sure?

    Presumably you've missed the word 'naked' out of that phrase, otherwise anyone taking a photo in public spaces is likely to be breaking the law...

    ...But that leaves the suggestion that it's legal to take photos of naked under 18s 'in your own family'. Really?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited July 2023
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    The age of consent is 16 so that does not make him a paedophile.

    It does mean he was acting in a less than desired moral way at the time but a paedophile, no.

    Albeit it is illegal to take photos of under 18s outside your own family but the police are taking no further action in this case
    It is not illegal to take photos of under 18s regardless of whose family they are in.

    It is illegal to take indecent images of under 18s, and that applies even if they are in your family.
    Which makes it even more the case he was not a paedophile.

    It is not illegal to take photos of your children in the bath, however if they were not your children it probably would be. Indecent also has context
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    The Muppet Christmas Carol is far and away the best Christmas film. Pure genius throughout (apart from Tiny Tim, who should really be a weird pig-frog hybrid)
    Yes.
    All the boy kids are frogs, and girl kids pigs.
    How does that work?
    Do any identify as cats??
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Augusta said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    They claimed being the operative word...should the police investigate certainly and if guilty he should be a rolf a like. If not guilty it has destroyed a mans life and that of his family for no more than gossip
    Not really. His behaviour in threatening a young man was pretty disgusting. He also broke lockdown rules at a time when he was telling people to stay home.
    Well I have heard different things on that.....one story is he threatened the young persons (I dont think we are sure if the young person is male or female)

    The other is he threatened the young person after being himself getting threatening emails to reveal him

    The first no excuse....the second I can see mitigating circumstances.

    Currently there is more heat than light on the whole subject and no one seems to have a clear idea on the actual events so I am keeping an open mind
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Christmas or no, it's just not a very good film is it?

    Nonsense, it is a great film, one of Alan Rickman's all time great performances, which is high praise.
    Rickman is a pearl amongst swine in this film. Even then, he put in better performances as Snape than as Hans Gruber.

    On no level at all is Die Hard a 'great film'. It's pants tbh.
    As a true and deep believer in the freedom of speech…

    {puts on black cap}

    I hear by sentence you. That you shall be taken from this place to a place of incarceration where you shall be placed in the same cell as Piers Moron, Piers Corbyn and Julian Assange for a term not less than 20 years. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead track on permanent, unstoppable repeat. The only written matter is the ability to read the comments on ConHome.

    May God have Mercy on your Soul!
    I recant, I recant!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    The BBC 8.00 news are being very frank and they are intimating complaints are now being received from within the BBC
  • AugustaAugusta Posts: 13

    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    The age of consent is 16 so that does not make him a paedophile.

    It does mean he was acting in a less than desired moral way at the time but a paedophile, no.

    Albeit it is illegal to take photos of under 18s outside your own family but the police are taking no further action in this case
    Note the repeated use of the world "child". They were desperate to paint him as a gay kiddy fiddler. Not only was this a lie, they knew it was a lie.
    Regardless Edwards is over 60 and clearly likes them young as in 18 years old and recruiting them from sleazy websites. Notwithstanding he has a wife and 5 children.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    edited July 2023
    Augusta said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    They claimed being the operative word...should the police investigate certainly and if guilty he should be a rolf a like. If not guilty it has destroyed a mans life and that of his family for no more than gossip
    Not really. His behaviour in threatening a young man was pretty disgusting. He also broke lockdown rules at a time when he was telling people to stay home.
    So the young man threatened to out him to the media and then screams threats when the person doesn’t take it well ! I mean wtf did he think would be the response . As for breaking lockdown rules , that’s of course bad but my issue is the person accusing him of this also broke them by meeting up and has the gall to act the moral martyr now .

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
    Summer film but not inclusive which was the challenge I believe
    Well Grease then maybe - 'Summer Nights' song.

    Less inclusive would be Manon Des Source, but infinitely better. Or perhaps Grapes of Wrath.


    Spring films can obviously be anchored to 'The Producers'
    Grease is non inclusive because for many faiths people that are unmarried dancing together is forbidden
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
    Summer film but not inclusive which was the challenge I believe
    Well Grease then maybe - 'Summer Nights' song.

    Less inclusive would be Manon Des Source, but infinitely better. Or perhaps Grapes of Wrath.

    Spring films can obviously be anchored to 'The Producers'
    Manon Des Sources - great book, great film.
    The Producers - great film.
    The Grapes of Wrath - great book, terrible film.

    You're welcome.
  • AugustaAugusta Posts: 13
    nico679 said:

    Augusta said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    They claimed being the operative word...should the police investigate certainly and if guilty he should be a rolf a like. If not guilty it has destroyed a mans life and that of his family for no more than gossip
    Not really. His behaviour in threatening a young man was pretty disgusting. He also broke lockdown rules at a time when he was telling people to stay home.
    So the young man threatened to out him to the media and then screams threats when the person doesn’t take it well ! I mean wtf did he think would be the response . As for breaking lockdown rules , that’s of course bad but my issue is the person accusing him of this also broke them by meeting up and has the gall to act the moral martyr now .

    Yes but they werent presenting the bbc news at ten and telling people to stay home. Totally different.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
    Summer film but not inclusive which was the challenge I believe
    Well Grease then maybe - 'Summer Nights' song.

    Less inclusive would be Manon Des Source, but infinitely better. Or perhaps Grapes of Wrath.


    Spring films can obviously be anchored to 'The Producers'
    Grease is non inclusive because for many faiths people that are unmarried dancing together is forbidden
    Source?
  • DavidL said:

    But is Batman Returns (Pfieffer, De Vito) a Christmas film?

    Who cares? It's got Michelle Pfieffer in it.
    It was a movie with a stellar cast, it speaks wonders that despite putting in a good performance people forget to even mention Christopher Walken.

    A shame the influence of McDonald's etc that turned the franchise from that, to the absurd two that came after it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    Pictures of a 17 year old would have been illegal, yes.

    But the Sun always put a gap between saying "photos" and saying "seventeen year old". If people chose to misread what they had carefully written, that's not their fault, is it? And even if you think it is, how are you going to prove it?

    Even in moderately well-run schools, you sometimes get a strange packlike bullying frenzy. And nobody questions it at the time. Then the victim responds- either they lash out or they self harm.

    The interesting thing is what happens next. Sometimes, it's a strange and nasty sort of victim blaming; if X hadn't been eminently bullyable, this wouldn't have happened. (We saw a bit of that with the Christopher Jefferies fiasco.) Sometimes, it's a lashing out at the ringleader, or more likely a prominent minion. Very occaisonally, it's the beginning of a kind of wisdom. More often, it's a pretence that nothing happened, and if it did, it was nothing to do with us.

    I wonder what it will be this time?

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Augusta said:

    nico679 said:

    Augusta said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Takagi-san: Huw Edwards
    Hans Gruber: The S*n
    Leon: the coked-up "bubby" with the Rolex

    Edwards hasn't been stitched up here. It wasn't a sting. He has behaved extremely dubiously. All the Sun have done is reported it. Stop trying to make him into a martyr.
    They claimed his "victim" was a 17 year old child.

    Child porn images. Groomed for cash.

    Which makes Edwards a paedophile, does it not?
    They claimed being the operative word...should the police investigate certainly and if guilty he should be a rolf a like. If not guilty it has destroyed a mans life and that of his family for no more than gossip
    Not really. His behaviour in threatening a young man was pretty disgusting. He also broke lockdown rules at a time when he was telling people to stay home.
    So the young man threatened to out him to the media and then screams threats when the person doesn’t take it well ! I mean wtf did he think would be the response . As for breaking lockdown rules , that’s of course bad but my issue is the person accusing him of this also broke them by meeting up and has the gall to act the moral martyr now .

    Yes but they werent presenting the bbc news at ten and telling people to stay home. Totally different.
    Those presenting the news though were not making the rules merely relaying them
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    The Muppet Christmas Carol is far and away the best Christmas film. Pure genius throughout (apart from Tiny Tim, who should really be a weird pig-frog hybrid)
    Yes.
    All the boy kids are frogs, and girl kids pigs.
    How does that work?
    Do any identify as cats??
    Yes, Sunil. Because that's how Muppets work 😀
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
    Summer film but not inclusive which was the challenge I believe
    Well Grease then maybe - 'Summer Nights' song.

    Less inclusive would be Manon Des Source, but infinitely better. Or perhaps Grapes of Wrath.


    Spring films can obviously be anchored to 'The Producers'
    Grease is non inclusive because for many faiths people that are unmarried dancing together is forbidden
    Nah, that's Footloose :lol:
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Ok, last attempt - 'A Man for all Seasons' !
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    Could we standardise on an inclusive "Holiday Season" film?

    Happy Holidays everyone!

    Summer Holiday with Cliff Richard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Holiday_(1963_film)
    Too christian also ageist and ableist
    "A Month in the Country".
    anti lancastrian sentiment plus it is fairly anti urban
    Summer film though!
    Summer film but not inclusive which was the challenge I believe
    Well Grease then maybe - 'Summer Nights' song.

    Less inclusive would be Manon Des Source, but infinitely better. Or perhaps Grapes of Wrath.


    Spring films can obviously be anchored to 'The Producers'
    Grease is non inclusive because for many faiths people that are unmarried dancing together is forbidden
    Nah, that's Footloose :lol:
    Goto a muslim wedding and try dancing with a girl you aren't married too. Yes it was the story of footloose doesn't mean it doesn't happen irl
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