Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

The irresistible force meets the movable object? – politicalbetting.com

2

Comments

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Carey dropped it.
    Karma ripens.
    Ha ha!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    I did say last week we needed to pick Woakes and Wood....
  • Wood you believe it, they dropped him!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    That four makes the difference. Well done England!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    edited July 2023
     Not watching. Is it death or glory now?

    eta … so glory!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    geoffw said:

     Not watching. Is it death or glory now?

    Scores level now...
  • I did say last week we needed to pick Woakes and Wood....

    For their batting though?

    Just imagine how good we'd be if we had some top order batsmen who could bat.

    Scores level!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Yes!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    OMFGGGGG
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    WHAT A SERIES
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Kerching
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited July 2023

    I did say last week we needed to pick Woakes and Wood....

    For their batting though?

    Just imagine how good we'd be if we had some top order batsmen who could bat.

    Scores level!
    I did actually say we need Woakes to add to the batting.

    It isn't great when in both innings one of your bowlers is 3rd top scorer.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Never doubted it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Headingley is replacing Edgbaston as England's best ground.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    Jimmy may have played his last game. Bowlers that can bat like that. Just wow.
  • You beauty!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Notably a run rate over 5 in the 4th innings. Still bazzing it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I have never pointlessly turned my TV on and off so many times, as it became unberable than I regained my nerves, then all over again
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    edited July 2023
    Honestly I'd rather watch England taking penalties than this kind of torture. *phew*
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    OK Casino, you can come back now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Wooo!!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,411
    Leon said:

    OMFGGGGG

    My posts swung it for England 🙌
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    If England win the Ashes from here - yes yes, I know - it could potentially beat the Ashes of 2005
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    OMFGGGGG

    My posts swung it for England 🙌
    Dude!
  • Quick question, I'm going to be abroad for the 4th and 5th Test. Guessing my NowTV subscription won't work overseas without using a VPN?

    And if so, can anyone recommend any VPNs? Preferably free.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    I've assumed Woakes keeps getting injured, as combined bat and ball he offers so much.

    Anyway, there's some politics happening this week or what?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    England won a very good toss, they had the better batting and bowling conditions throughout but when you’re playing the best you need a few things to break your way.

    Just a heroic result.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    kle4 said:

    I've assumed Woakes keeps getting injured, as combined bat and ball he offers so much.

    Anyway, there's some politics happening this week or what?

    We TOLD you that your Whitewash prediction was overdone
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,639

    FF43 said:

    I feel slightly sorry for Sunak. He really doesn't deserve to be compared with the cataclysm that is Liz Truss.

    We would all have been better if Sunak had been PM during COVID. Not that mistakes weren't made under his reign when chancellor, but he isn't a moron, he actually reads what he is presented to him and wouldn't have rattled around like a shopping trolley ala Boris.

    I think we probably wouldn't have had quite some many lockdowns or the Tier 1, 2, 27, back to 2, 5, etc.

    Also, teatotal coke addicted Sunak wouldn't have been given the nudge nudge wink wink its ok to have a piss up every Friday, which clearly Boris did.
    Though didn't read the report of the privileges committee.

    https://youtu.be/ukKN149qv98
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    Leon said:

    OMFGGGGG

    My posts swung it for England 🙌
    Absolutely. Been there several times.
  • DavidL said:

    England won a very good toss, they had the better batting and bowling conditions throughout but when you’re playing the best you need a few things to break your way.

    Just a heroic result.

    The other thing is they lost the first two Tests by very narrow margins, either could have been victories.

    At the end of the series history only remembers normally who wins or loses, but all three Tests so far could have gone either way. Two reasonably equally matched teams playing currently.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    I fear Bairstow has to go
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Foakes for Bairstow strengthens this side right now.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    So this whole thread was on topic
    - about irresistible forces and immovable objects
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    Quick question, I'm going to be abroad for the 4th and 5th Test. Guessing my NowTV subscription won't work overseas without using a VPN?

    And if so, can anyone recommend any VPNs? Preferably free.

    There's one built in to the opera browser. Obv only works if you watch in the browser not in the nowtv app
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Following the cricket as the most clears off the view of Long Island Sound from my window. Reading back on this thread…jeez what a collective bunch of hysterical bipolar bedwetters you (okay we) all are.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    edited July 2023
    I've got it - politics and cricket. Tamimn Iqbal just reversed his announced retirement after the PM of Bangladesh intervened.

    Sheikh Hasina has been PM of Bangladesh since 2009, and before then from 96-01, yet people don't tend to talk about her much as the longest serving female head of government in modern history - perhaps because of increasing authoritarianism.

    But she is up for election again in less than 6 months.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/tamim-iqbal-reverses-retirement-decision-after-meeting-bangladesh-prime-minister-sheikh-hasina-1386270
    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    When he is in form with the bat he is worth a place in the team, making up for less than stellar wicketkeeping. When he's not in form he's a complete liability.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited July 2023

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    I fear the Superman Stokes is going to need to be seriously patched up as well. Very fortunate the next test doesn't start on Thursday.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    Thing is about Bazball, you often only need three and a half days to complete a test. So even rain is less of an issue. Which is great for Test cricket

    Everything about Bazball is great for Test cricket
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    Robinson was a back spasm, so likely fit for the 19th.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    Do they bring in Rehan Ahmed as the specialist spinner?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    Robinson was a back spasm, so likely fit for the 19th.
    If we don't have him in, who on earth will be England's "enforcer" ;-)
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    Thing is about Bazball, you often only need three and a half days to complete a test. So even rain is less of an issue. Which is great for Test cricket

    Everything about Bazball is great for Test cricket
    I’m going to a drinks party tonight in New Haven and I have decided to try and explain Bazball to everyone I speak to.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892
    kle4 said:

    Considering how he tore through England in his first ever game I believe, Boland has had a poor series. Keep him on please.

    Back on politics, I hust find TSE's premise about removal hard to swallow. Admittedly the rapid Truss removal shows almost anything is possible, they didn't even give her a chance to turn things around, but that whole affair screwed the Tory perception, and they just cannot do it again.

    Not unless they go for my suggestion of Sunak resigning as party leader and then calling a GE, so each contender can pitch to the entire electorate.

    Sure they can. What's the worst that can happen if the Tories replace their leader (and our Prime Minister) yet again? They get hammered in the general election? Well, guess what, the polls say that will happen anyway.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    Thing is about Bazball, you often only need three and a half days to complete a test. So even rain is less of an issue. Which is great for Test cricket

    Everything about Bazball is great for Test cricket
    I’m going to a drinks party tonight in New Haven and I have decided to try and explain Bazball to everyone I speak to.
    Just say "imagine if baseball was REALLY exciting", then they will understand
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892
    France bans buying fireworks for Bastille Day after riots
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66147920

    No fireworks but you will be able to go swimming in the Seine, which the French equivalent of Thames Water has cleaned up for the Paris Olympics next year.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2023/07/09/swimming-in-the-seine-to-become-a-reality-for-all-in-2025-with-three-locations-unveiled_6047176_114.html
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,956

    France bans buying fireworks for Bastille Day after riots
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66147920

    No fireworks but you will be able to go swimming in the Seine, which the French equivalent of Thames Water has cleaned up for the Paris Olympics next year.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2023/07/09/swimming-in-the-seine-to-become-a-reality-for-all-in-2025-with-three-locations-unveiled_6047176_114.html

    Je t’aime, eau..
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    France bans buying fireworks for Bastille Day after riots
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66147920

    No fireworks but you will be able to go swimming in the Seine, which the French equivalent of Thames Water has cleaned up for the Paris Olympics next year.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2023/07/09/swimming-in-the-seine-to-become-a-reality-for-all-in-2025-with-three-locations-unveiled_6047176_114.html

    As 13 year-olds in 1956 on our first school exchange with a French school we found "petards" for sale which you just struck against a match box and threw for the laughs. One boy had a number of these in his school jacket pocket, which went off spontaneously blowing a hole in his jacket. La France eh? Plus ça change …

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    edited July 2023
    But for the rain the Test would have been over in 3 days. What a super afternoon.

    On the topic, Sunak probably won't face a pre election challenge for the same reason, essentially, that Major didn't between 1995 (Redwood) and 1997.

    The worse options have already been tried. With Sunak there is a chance of defeat with a semblance of dignity and party survival.

    If (big if) there is a truly great Tory leader waiting around then waiting till after 2024 election is the saner and safer option. Such a person would need the modest hope inducing capacity of Attlee and the courage of Mrs T. Names on a postcard to central office. I shall keep an eye on Kemi in the parade ring, but the wallet of £50 notes is disengaged.

    I'm not betting on the by elections. If I were it would be £1 (max) on the Tories for Uxbridge. I think I would lose but the horse might at least run.

    I think the GE election result in %s will be not far different from 1997 - 43% Lab, 31% Tory. And SNP to do worse than current polling.)
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    Thing is about Bazball, you often only need three and a half days to complete a test. So even rain is less of an issue. Which is great for Test cricket

    Everything about Bazball is great for Test cricket
    I’m going to a drinks party tonight in New Haven and I have decided to try and explain Bazball to everyone I speak to.
    Just say "imagine if baseball was REALLY exciting", then they will understand
    I managed to semi-successfully explain to the, very erudite and entertaining, barman at the Union Club of Boston what was going on in the first innings by way of Mark Steel’s tweet about Wokes and Baseball analogies. The Club members were all out of town for the 4th and it was just me and him like that scene in The Shining, although I think he’s real. At some point we got onto Banks’ save from Pele for some reason. Anyway, good times.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    France bans buying fireworks for Bastille Day after riots
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66147920

    No fireworks but you will be able to go swimming in the Seine, which the French equivalent of Thames Water has cleaned up for the Paris Olympics next year.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2023/07/09/swimming-in-the-seine-to-become-a-reality-for-all-in-2025-with-three-locations-unveiled_6047176_114.html

    Je t’aime, eau..
    For some reason your post reminded me of the motto of the French navy.

    “A l’eau, c’est l’heure”.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    On topic, a fourth PM in one Parliament without an election? Seriously? You think they’d do that? I appreciate we don’t have a presidential system but even so…
  • DougSeal said:

    On topic, a fourth PM in one Parliament without an election? Seriously? You think they’d do that? I appreciate we don’t have a presidential system but even so…

    I don't think they will but purely because the Party has given up and resigned itself to defeat.

    Not because Sunak is any good.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    On topic, a fourth PM in one Parliament without an election? Seriously? You think they’d do that? I appreciate we don’t have a presidential system but even so…

    I don't think they will but purely because the Party has given up and resigned itself to defeat.

    Not because Sunak is any good.
    The one immutable rule in politics is that it ain’t over until HYUFD sings.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    Do they bring in Rehan Ahmed as the specialist spinner?

    & bat him at 3
  • Miklosvar said:

    Quick question, I'm going to be abroad for the 4th and 5th Test. Guessing my NowTV subscription won't work overseas without using a VPN?

    And if so, can anyone recommend any VPNs? Preferably free.

    There's one built in to the opera browser. Obv only works if you watch in the browser not in the nowtv app
    Seems Opera has a limited range of countries to select and the UK isn't one of them, so guessing it won't work?

    Any other suggestions?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Silverstone looks massive for McLaren to me. A very significant race.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    On topic, as TSE has put so much effort into it.

    The politics at play. If you are Boris or Nad, you want Sunak to own “never won an election, ignominious defeat losing Johnson’s landslide” in the history books. Because it’s now personality politics with some.

    The more ideological ones There’s also a lot of politics. If you are Trussite slash and burn Tory, you want to keep Sunak economics in there to own defeat, to discredit it. Their Sunak and Hunt leadership rivals will argue in favour of Sunak economics, straight after a terrible election defeat?

    Dorries will resign short of the election, because she is going anyway. She’s probably trying to use leverage of resignation to get something because if Sunak loses all three later this month, they won’t want more self inflicted by elections soon after, so Dorries is holding on to see her leverage increase. Not that I’m convinced they will give her anything. Alternatively, they may already have done a deal, hence she is still there. One thing the resigners done as they resigned was talk up their replacement as being a great candidate, in response Con HQ leaked to media friends the party only has 11% in a seat (according to internal poll) hence sitting MP would be a traitor to resign at this time.

    Lots of politics going on. The big one being ideological opponents of Sunak, the slash and burn economists, won’t move against Sunak, they will keep him there and cello tape every policy they don’t like to him. And warm their mallows as he and all that is placed on the electoral bonfire.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    On topic, as TSE has put so much effort into it.

    The politics at play. If you are Boris or Nad, you want Sunak to own “never won an election, ignominious defeat losing Johnson’s landslide” in the history books. Because it’s now personality politics with some.

    The more ideological ones There’s also a lot of politics. If you are Trussite slash and burn Tory, you want to keep Sunak economics in there to own defeat, to discredit it. Their Sunak and Hunt leadership rivals will argue in favour of Sunak economics, straight after a terrible election defeat?

    Dorries will resign short of the election, because she is going anyway. She’s probably trying to use leverage of resignation to get something because if Sunak loses all three later this month, they won’t want more self inflicted by elections soon after, so Dorries is holding on to see her leverage increase. Not that I’m convinced they will give her anything. Alternatively, they may already have done a deal, hence she is still there. One thing the resigners done as they resigned was talk up their replacement as being a great candidate, in response Con HQ leaked to media friends the party only has 11% in a seat (according to internal poll) hence sitting MP would be a traitor to resign at this time.

    Lots of politics going on. The big one being ideological opponents of Sunak, the slash and burn economists, won’t move against Sunak, they will keep him there and cello tape every policy they don’t like to him. And warm their mallows as he and all that is placed on the electoral bonfire.

    @TSE was the Opinium putting Tories on 25% properly published anywhere?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 2023
    To get interest rates down and mortagage rates down you first need to get inflation down and Sunak is right to concentrate on that first.

    The right and ERG also have no interest in challenging Sunak now, from their perspective the election is already lost. So they will let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for it, then try and take over the leadership in Opposition when a likely Labour government would have to deal with the economy
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 2023
    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I fear Bairstow has to go

    Yes, and they may drop Moen and go without a specialist spinner at Old Trafford. Possibly Lawrence could come in at three then. He's in good form and it's his natural position.

    I doubt Robinson will be fit enough so Anderson obviously replaces him.

    Weather forecast is iffy, if you believe the forecasters.
    Thing is about Bazball, you often only need three and a half days to complete a test. So even rain is less of an issue. Which is great for Test cricket

    Everything about Bazball is great for Test cricket
    I’m going to a drinks party tonight in New Haven and I have decided to try and explain Bazball to everyone I speak to.
    Just say "imagine if baseball was REALLY exciting", then they will understand
    I managed to semi-successfully explain to the, very erudite and entertaining, barman at the Union Club of Boston what was going on in the first innings by way of Mark Steel’s tweet about Wokes and Baseball analogies. The Club members were all out of town for the 4th and it was just me and him like that scene in The Shining, although I think he’s real. At some point we got onto Banks’ save from Pele for some reason. Anyway, good times.
    Embarrassing. Typo, ignorance, obsession with “woke”, Freudian…anyway…this is what I was referring to…


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    HYUFD said:

    To get interest rates down and mortagage rates down you first need to get inflation down and Sunak is right to concentrate on that first.

    The right and ERG also have no interest in challenging Sunak now, from their perspective the election is already lost. So they will let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for it, then try and take over the leadership in Opposition when a likely Labour government would have to deal with the economy

    It'll be inconvenient for them if the party wins one or two of the by-elections on 20th July.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    To get interest rates down and mortagage rates down you first need to get inflation down and Sunak is right to concentrate on that first.

    The right and ERG also have no interest in challenging Sunak now, from their perspective the election is already lost. So they will let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for it, then try and take over the leadership in Opposition when a likely Labour government would have to deal with the economy

    It'll be inconvenient for them if the party wins one or two of the by-elections on 20th July.
    Expectation management is Sunak’s friend on 20/7
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,787
    Exciting race. Annoying safety car.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited July 2023
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I see what you did there
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    To get interest rates down and mortagage rates down you first need to get inflation down and Sunak is right to concentrate on that first.

    The right and ERG also have no interest in challenging Sunak now, from their perspective the election is already lost. So they will let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for it, then try and take over the leadership in Opposition when a likely Labour government would have to deal with the economy

    It'll be inconvenient for them if the party wins one or two of the by-elections on 20th July.
    Uxbridge I still think will be close, maybe Selby too. Rishi was in the latter campaigning yesterday, it being not far from his Richmond constituency in Yorkshire
    https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/23642966.rishi-sunak-adds-support-claire-holmes-visit-selby-today/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,956
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    Guten Morgans?

    Dura Ace: no, they’re shite.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,639
    Impressive of Zelensky to join with Duda of Poland in ceremony to commemorate the Polish victims of the Volyna massacres in 1943 by Ukranian nationalists:

    https://twitter.com/AndrzejDuda/status/1677968729303334914?t=FWl54wFMtt_v3ia4jxOuLQ&s=19
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    Didn’t Norman Tebbit once express his admiration for Raleigh goers?
  • I really like Pat Cummins and Mitchell Starc. They come over so well in their interviews and seem to me like genuinely nice chaps
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    To get interest rates down and mortagage rates down you first need to get inflation down and Sunak is right to concentrate on that first.

    The right and ERG also have no interest in challenging Sunak now, from their perspective the election is already lost. So they will let Sunak and Hunt take the blame for it, then try and take over the leadership in Opposition when a likely Labour government would have to deal with the economy

    It'll be inconvenient for them if the party wins one or two of the by-elections on 20th July.
    Uxbridge I still think will be close, maybe Selby too. Rishi was in the latter campaigning yesterday, it being not far from his Richmond constituency in Yorkshire
    https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/23642966.rishi-sunak-adds-support-claire-holmes-visit-selby-today/
    Given his dire ratings, I suspect that your candidate in Selby hardly welcomed Sunak's presence but felt that it would have been impolite to tell him to stay away.

    I note from the link you supplied that the by-election poll of the Selby constituency was amongst the 10 most read news stories in the local paper. So the tactical choices facing anyone-but-the-Tories voters look like being well understood.

    https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/23643269.jl-partners-says-labours-keir-mather-will-win-selby-ainsty/

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    Didn’t Norman Tebbit once express his admiration for Raleigh goers?
    On yer bike!
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    The E-Mail has made in to mainstream news

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66146877

    "It came as an email, widely-shared online, made several unsubstantiated claims about Mr Osborne's private life.

    Reports suggest Mr Osborne has contacted the police about the email.
    "

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    The BBC thinks that New Zealand is a member of NATO.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66146457

    Canada, New Zealand and Spain - all Nato members, like the US and UK - also stated their opposition to the weapons.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Latest New Statesman seats forecast.

    Lab 414
    Con 155
    LD 27
    Others 54

    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/02/britain-predicts-who-would-win-election-held-today
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Impressive of Zelensky to join with Duda of Poland in ceremony to commemorate the Polish victims of the Volyna massacres in 1943 by Ukranian nationalists:

    https://twitter.com/AndrzejDuda/status/1677968729303334914?t=FWl54wFMtt_v3ia4jxOuLQ&s=19

    Some people mock him for putting on performances, tailoring his messaging when speaking to foreign parliaments and dressing and acting symbolically for example. Which seems like a very odd criticism when part of his job is basically chief diplomat, and acting symbolically both internally and externally.
    You wouldn't catch Churchill doing that sort of thing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Impressive of Zelensky to join with Duda of Poland in ceremony to commemorate the Polish victims of the Volyna massacres in 1943 by Ukranian nationalists:

    https://twitter.com/AndrzejDuda/status/1677968729303334914?t=FWl54wFMtt_v3ia4jxOuLQ&s=19

    Some people mock him for putting on performances, tailoring his messaging when speaking to foreign parliaments and dressing and acting symbolically for example. Which seems like a very odd criticism when part of his job is basically chief diplomat, and acting symbolically both internally and externally.
    The way that even the ultra hard core nationalists in the Baltics, Poland, Ukraine (and others) are acknowledging these historic events, is changing the politics of the area. Fast.

    There is enough genocidal history there to keep a dozen wars rolling. Instead, they are signing up to the current borders and “never again”.

    Peace Prize for Putin?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    The BBC thinks that New Zealand is a member of NATO.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66146457

    Canada, New Zealand and Spain - all Nato members, like the US and UK - also stated their opposition to the weapons.

    To be fair, everyone is joining. Has China put an application in, yet?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375
    Miklosvar said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Impressive of Zelensky to join with Duda of Poland in ceremony to commemorate the Polish victims of the Volyna massacres in 1943 by Ukranian nationalists:

    https://twitter.com/AndrzejDuda/status/1677968729303334914?t=FWl54wFMtt_v3ia4jxOuLQ&s=19

    Some people mock him for putting on performances, tailoring his messaging when speaking to foreign parliaments and dressing and acting symbolically for example. Which seems like a very odd criticism when part of his job is basically chief diplomat, and acting symbolically both internally and externally.
    You wouldn't catch Churchill doing that sort of thing.
    Was he so smart nobody noticed?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.
    Very sensible of HYUFD. As I have remarked before, Morgans will be the last UK car maker the way things are going, so if he wants to make a patriotic purchase it's good to try before you buy.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892
    CatMan said:

    The E-Mail has made in to mainstream news

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66146877

    "It came as an email, widely-shared online, made several unsubstantiated claims about Mr Osborne's private life.

    Reports suggest Mr Osborne has contacted the police about the email.
    "

    There's a few suggested the BBC presenter stramash was to cover up The Email.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.
    Chap a couple of doors from us has a Morgan. Spends a lot more time titivating it, both ‘works’ and bodywork, than actually driving it so far as I can see!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521

    France bans buying fireworks for Bastille Day after riots
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66147920

    No fireworks but you will be able to go swimming in the Seine, which the French equivalent of Thames Water has cleaned up for the Paris Olympics next year.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2023/07/09/swimming-in-the-seine-to-become-a-reality-for-all-in-2025-with-three-locations-unveiled_6047176_114.html

    Hmm. As I remember the French police had several hundred Algerian protestors 'swimming in the Seine' in 1961.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    I really like Pat Cummins and Mitchell Starc. They come over so well in their interviews and seem to me like genuinely nice chaps

    It’s easy to get a bit carried away with the heat of the moment of sandpapergate, and stumpinggate. Most are pretty decent chaps. Not quite so sure of Warner, and Smith is obsessional to the point of poor mental health.

    Many years ago my village side toured the West Indies, playing local sides. At the same time the Aussies were playing the Windies. Our lads met the Aussies and got on like a house on fire, and ended up as guests at the tests etc. Generally cricketers get on off the field.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited July 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.
    As Morgans is in Malverin: maybe add Great Malvern Priory now parish kirk is well worth a look, too, as is the spa well and the wintergarden and the Victorian hydropathic ambience galore, like Buxton or Strathpeffer. And walk up the hills to look over to Wales on one side and Cotswold Edge on the other. Bredon Hill in the vale of Severn - Laurie Lee country?.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    I was there.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036

    The BBC thinks that New Zealand is a member of NATO.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66146457

    Canada, New Zealand and Spain - all Nato members, like the US and UK - also stated their opposition to the weapons.

    To be fair, everyone is joining. Has China put an application in, yet?
    Having their proxy New Zealand in there is probably enough for the time being.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    O/T b ut something nice for a future holiday - stay in a control tower or rather Watch Office on a former airfield. Landmark Trust proposal, an interesting one (like their Semaphotre Tower, which I'd like to book but is next to the M25).

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/jul/09/an-almost-modernist-feel-appeal-launched-to-save-derelict-raf-ibsley-airbase-building
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Impressive of Zelensky to join with Duda of Poland in ceremony to commemorate the Polish victims of the Volyna massacres in 1943 by Ukranian nationalists:

    https://twitter.com/AndrzejDuda/status/1677968729303334914?t=FWl54wFMtt_v3ia4jxOuLQ&s=19

    Some people mock him for putting on performances, tailoring his messaging when speaking to foreign parliaments and dressing and acting symbolically for example. Which seems like a very odd criticism when part of his job is basically chief diplomat, and acting symbolically both internally and externally.
    The exile communities put their past behind them more than sixty years ago when the Polish and Ukrainian governments in exile signed a series of treaties. Both governments in Warsaw and Kyiv have followed a surprisingly large amount of the policies adopted in exile. It may have seemed like a vainglorious dead letter to their enemies- especially the Soviets- at the time, but in fact it was a necessary reconciliation.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.
    Chap a couple of doors from us has a Morgan. Spends a lot more time titivating it, both ‘works’ and bodywork, than actually driving it so far as I can see!
    The car I tried had a modern Ford Sigma engine. There was nothing modern about the driving experience. It was hard work, and I am used to driving sixties and seventies cars.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    The BBC thinks that New Zealand is a member of NATO.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66146457

    Canada, New Zealand and Spain - all Nato members, like the US and UK - also stated their opposition to the weapons.

    To be fair, everyone is joining. Has China put an application in, yet?
    I'm sure they could commit to strengthening the security of the North Atlantic area, simply by promising to go nowhere near it. Though I suspect they'd charge a high price of their own!

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    I was there.

    And fair play to you for shouting the Aussies into submission. They looked a little rattled, again!

    What a series
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036
    geoffw said:

    France bans buying fireworks for Bastille Day after riots
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66147920

    No fireworks but you will be able to go swimming in the Seine, which the French equivalent of Thames Water has cleaned up for the Paris Olympics next year.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2023/07/09/swimming-in-the-seine-to-become-a-reality-for-all-in-2025-with-three-locations-unveiled_6047176_114.html

    As 13 year-olds in 1956 on our first school exchange with a French school we found "petards" for sale which you just struck against a match box and threw for the laughs. One boy had a number of these in his school jacket pocket, which went off spontaneously blowing a hole in his jacket. La France eh? Plus ça change …

    These days, in the UK anyway, he would probably get weeks of deradicalisation brainwashing, his family's browsing history would be pored over, and then he and his parents would get months of headshrinking therapy.

    And they'd be on no-fly lists for ever.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent classic car show this afternoon on Matching Green and I see England won a Test Match too to get back into the Ashes

    Classic cars? I always had you down as interested in old bicycles from Europe.

    I'm sure someone once told me you were a fan of 1930s German Raleighs.
    I will look at them if there but much more interested in old Morgans
    If you fancy trying out a Morgan, there is a guy and his wife who run an experience of bed and breakfast plus a self-drive around the Cotswolds in a Morgan Plus Four. He is based in Shelsley Walsh, Worcs. betwixt the Hill Climb Circuit and the Church. I have ticked that box now and I don't need to ever drive a Morgan again. It wasn't a relaxing drive. My wife bought the experience as a birthday present for me very cheaply on Secret Escapes. If you want to live your inner IDS, it's worth a look.
    Will have a look sometime, I lived not far away in Herefordshire for a few years so know the area a bit
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    geoffw said:

    France bans buying fireworks for Bastille Day after riots
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66147920

    No fireworks but you will be able to go swimming in the Seine, which the French equivalent of Thames Water has cleaned up for the Paris Olympics next year.
    https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2023/07/09/swimming-in-the-seine-to-become-a-reality-for-all-in-2025-with-three-locations-unveiled_6047176_114.html

    As 13 year-olds in 1956 on our first school exchange with a French school we found "petards" for sale which you just struck against a match box and threw for the laughs. One boy had a number of these in his school jacket pocket, which went off spontaneously blowing a hole in his jacket. La France eh? Plus ça change …

    They don't mess about. The only french funfair I have been to they had 12 bore shotguns in what would be the air rifle range over here, and a caterham super 7 doing the wall of death
This discussion has been closed.