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imageThe irresistible force meets the movable object? – politicalbetting.com

Glorious addition to the "Truss's ratings were so bad we thought the chart was broken" canon, you almost don't notice it, 10/10 https://t.co/yHBsPeUdNk

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  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    95 to win
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,983
    First?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    edited July 2023
    Don’t often see Stokes down like that. Must have seriously hurt.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Nooooooooooooo!
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Fck
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    DavidL said:

    Don’t often see Stokes down like that. Must have seriously hurt.

    Stokes body is so f##ked, I am not sure he is ever not in serious pain these days.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Game over.

    No, not for Rishi, he's going nowhere - the party doesn't have the energy or unity to shift leader's again. They don't seem to have the drive for anything at the moment.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    Oh bugger.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    England are going to f##k this up. One more quick wicket is all that is needed Australia will be thinking.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    edited July 2023
    Should Brook not be shielding the tail better than this?
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 772
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    England are going to f##k this up. One more quick wicket is all that is needed Australia will be thinking.

    Yep.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    DavidL said:

    Should Brook not be shielding the tail better than this?

    Called it. He really has to keep the strike.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    Well I did say its would be Stokes and Broad within 30 mins of lunch, its going to be Brook and Broad....
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    In these two wickets have come from very average Starc balls. 🥺
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited July 2023
    F***ing Bairstow.

    Whitewash back on.

    It's not Bazball though. It's sloppy fielding and some batters not pulling their weight which has done it.

    This far though one player in each innings has done well - we need that to be Brooks.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Jesus
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,763
    Jonny Bairstow might be having the yips behind the stumps but I can see why England put him in the team for his batting. Oh.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    Winviz still has it 50/50....LOL.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    That 50 the Australians got for the last 2 wickets absolutely crucial.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,555
    The thread's movable object is presumably England's wickets?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,914
    This is lost. England should've won, quite easily but they are just not quite good enough

    Aus are clearly superior in bowling AND batting, and fielding for that matter. Deserved Ashes winners, even if they did cheat like cheaters

    Ah well. Onwards to the rugby world cup



  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,510
    I wonder how many letters are in already on Sunak?

    Not really a sign of anyone better getting the gig, so I think he will survive to the election.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    So maybe the end of the cricket, and the Grand Prix, won’t be coinciding after all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    Leon said:

    This is lost. England should've won, quite easily but they are just not quite good enough

    Aus are clearly superior in bowling AND batting, and fielding for that matter. Deserved Ashes winners, even if they did cheat like cheaters

    Ah well. Onwards to the rugby world cup



    That isn't going to go any better....
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,785
    edited July 2023
    boulay said:

    Jonny Bairstow might be having the yips behind the stumps but I can see why England put him in the team for his batting. Oh.

    I doubt he'll be playing at Manchester. Foakes is a significantly better keeper and not a bad batsman, especially compared to an out of form Bairstow.

    Btw, you can still get 55/1 the tie.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Starmer's close to positive rating is really quite the standout. It's often said he is not loved, and that is true, but it is also more than that he is not hated as well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,777
    If Foakes is not recalled for the next Test, Rob Key needs to be dropped or alternatively, fired into the heart of the sun before the last one.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,931
    The batting has been by and large really average from both sides this series
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    boulay said:

    Jonny Bairstow might be having the yips behind the stumps but I can see why England put him in the team for his batting. Oh.

    I doubt he'll be playing at Manchester. Foakes is a significantly better keeper and not a bad batsman, especially compared to an out of form Bairstow.

    Btw, you can still get 55/1 the tie.
    I think he will until Pope comes back.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,914
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    This is lost. England should've won, quite easily but they are just not quite good enough

    Aus are clearly superior in bowling AND batting, and fielding for that matter. Deserved Ashes winners, even if they did cheat like cheaters

    Ah well. Onwards to the rugby world cup



    That isn't going to go any better....
    Almost certainly not. France or Ireland, I reckon

    We will probably reach the semis, just because we have a very favourable draw. But then we will bow out
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    I’ve grown up thinking Woakes is a good batsman. He’s always been good for runs in my time following cricket.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Pulpstar said:

    The batting has been by and large really average from both sides this series

    Average scores would still win it for England today - given the total scores and single good player per innings, I think it's fair to say they've been below average this game for sure. For the series it's also probably fair, since other than Stokes and Khawaja no one averages over 50.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,931
    Barstow needs to be dropped tbh. Can't keep, can't beat at the moment. Get Foakes in
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,183
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    boulay said:

    Jonny Bairstow might be having the yips behind the stumps but I can see why England put him in the team for his batting. Oh.

    I doubt he'll be playing at Manchester. Foakes is a significantly better keeper and not a bad batsman, especially compared to an out of form Bairstow.

    Btw, you can still get 55/1 the tie.
    England still favourites; keep the faith.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,777
    MoonRabbit said:

    I’ve grown up thinking Woakes is a good batsman. He’s always been good for runs in my time following cricket.

    When he’s out for 3 I’m blaming you.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,777
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The batting has been by and large really average from both sides this series

    Average scores would still win it for England today - given the total scores and single good player per innings, I think it's fair to say they've been below average this game for sure. For the series it's also probably fair, since other than Stokes and Khawaja no one averages over 50.
    The batting hasn’t been great, but they would still probably have won all three tests so far but for the dropped catches.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,510
    kle4 said:

    Starmer's close to positive rating is really quite the standout. It's often said he is not loved, and that is true, but it is also more than that he is not hated as well.

    The overwhelming feeling seems to be "get shot of the Tories" with very little positive about the Labour offering. Maybe that will change closer to the actual election. In the meantime though Starmers steady as she goes approach is being vindicated.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    MoonRabbit said:

    I’ve grown up thinking Woakes is a good batsman. He’s always been good for runs in my time following cricket.

    One of the problems with how professional cricket has evolved is "international" players don't actually play much cricket and if you are in the squad but not picked you can go months without actually playing. Sam Billings hardly played any cricket for a couple of years for this reason and not sure he has ever recaptured the form that got him called up.

    It would be interesting to know the last time Woakes actually had a bat prior to this test.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,629
    I want to apologise for the cricket. Been at a christening this morning, missed England doing fine.

    Back to the cricket after lunch. All my fault.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    There’s no swing. The pitch isn’t playing up.

    What England don’t need is rain.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,510
    MoonRabbit said:

    I’ve grown up thinking Woakes is a good batsman. He’s always been good for runs in my time following cricket.

    So Woke's can save England?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    edited July 2023
    Woakes needs to tip and run a single. These ridiculous swishes of the bat are giving me heart failure
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,629
    Woakes doing a good job of protecting Brook.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Ten overs for the aborigine and he doesn’t look like taking a wicket.

    The return of Cummings I would fear more.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Uh oh Short Ball Theory 😒
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Cry God for King Harry! 🥰
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited July 2023
    Considering how he tore through England in his first ever game I believe, Boland has had a poor series. Keep him on please.

    Back on politics, I hust find TSE's premise about removal hard to swallow. Admittedly the rapid Truss removal shows almost anything is possible, they didn't even give her a chance to turn things around, but that whole affair screwed the Tory perception, and they just cannot do it again.

    Not unless they go for my suggestion of Sunak resigning as party leader and then calling a GE, so each contender can pitch to the entire electorate.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,340
    When can we start hoping again?

    And on topic- when can the Conservatives start hoping again? Unless someone is prepared to say "we will do better under my leadership", Rishi stays by intertia. And whilst PM might be a better PM, another change would be ridiculous, and the state of the government and nation is that taking over now would make her reputation plunge much as she did in that celebrity diving show.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Stuartinromford said:

    When can we start hoping again?

    We the country? Maybe 10 years.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    edited July 2023
    Stuartinromford said:

    When can we start hoping again?

    And on topic- when can the Conservatives start hoping again? Unless someone is prepared to say "we will do better under my leadership", Rishi stays by intertia. And whilst PM might be a better PM, another change would be ridiculous, and the state of the government and nation is that taking over now would make her reputation plunge much as she did in that celebrity diving show.

    Under 40.

    And 2036.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    Going into this Test Mark Wood averaged 16.43, Stuart Broad 18.16 and Ollie Robinson 13.34. Make that 47 runs...

    I wouldn't fancy them to get those if push came to shove. Not only the pressure, but Starc is very good at hoovering up rabbits.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    WinViz has England at 78%.

    I think WinViz needs recoding.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,249
    I feel slightly sorry for Sunak. He really doesn't deserve to be compared with the cataclysm that is Liz Truss.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    WinViz has England at 78%.

    I think WinViz needs recoding.

    Does it just reflect past scores or the weight of betting?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    FF43 said:

    I feel slightly sorry for Sunak. He really doesn't deserve to be compared with the cataclysm that is Liz Truss.

    We would all have been better if Sunak had been PM during COVID. Not that mistakes weren't made under his reign when chancellor, but he isn't a moron, he actually reads what he is presented to him and wouldn't have rattled around like a shopping trolley ala Boris.

    I think we probably wouldn't have had quite some many lockdowns or the Tier 1, 2, 27, back to 2, 5, etc.

    Also, teatotal coke addicted Sunak wouldn't have been given the nudge nudge wink wink its ok to have a piss up every Friday, which clearly Boris did.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    WinViz has England at 78%.

    I think WinViz needs recoding.

    Does it just reflect past scores or the weight of betting?
    My understanding is it is just based on modelling historic data, nothing to do with the current betting lines.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    Lando!
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    FF43 said:

    I feel slightly sorry for Sunak. He really doesn't deserve to be compared with the cataclysm that is Liz Truss.

    We would all have been better if Sunak had been PM during COVID. Not that mistakes weren't made under his reign when chancellor, but he isn't a moron, he actually reads what he is presented to him and wouldn't have rattled around like a shopping trolley ala Boris.

    I think we probably wouldn't have had quite some many lockdowns / T1, 2, 27, back to 2, 5, etc.

    Also, teatotal coke addicted Sunak wouldn't have been given the nudge nudge wink wink its ok to have a piss up every Friday, which clearly Boris did.
    25% Off Tesco Wine Man is basically the remaining Tory core vote. Cheap wine is about to go up 80p a bottle because of teetotal Rishis machinations as chancellor. Expect another lurch down when this happens
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    WinViz has England at 78%.

    I think WinViz needs recoding.

    Does it just reflect past scores or the weight of betting?
    My understanding is it is just based on modelling historic data, nothing to do with the current betting lines.
    That’s what I thought but it’s incredibly volatile.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    37 runs still seems a million miles away.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    WinViz has England at 78%.

    I think WinViz needs recoding.

    Does it just reflect past scores or the weight of betting?
    My understanding is it is just based on modelling historic data, nothing to do with the current betting lines.
    That’s what I thought but it’s incredibly volatile.
    I know a little bit about the technicalities of their expected runs / expected wickets models and I have some issues with it. But the key problem seems to be that the model appears to treat the possibility of a wicket as some shocking unexpected occurrence, and two quick wickets even more so, (rather than any ball can result in a wicket and two quick wickets are very common) and that is what seems to make it overly volatile.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    WinViz has England at 78%.

    I think WinViz needs recoding.

    Does it just reflect past scores or the weight of betting?
    My understanding is it is just based on modelling historic data, nothing to do with the current betting lines.
    That’s what I thought but it’s incredibly volatile.
    I know a little bit about the technicalities of their expected runs / expected wickets models and I have some issues with it. But the key problem seems to be that the model appears to treat the possibility of a wicket as some shocking unexpected occurrence, and two quick wickets even more so, (rather than any ball can result in a wicket and two quick wickets are very common) and that is what seems to make it overly volatile.
    So, not England supporters then? We expect a wicket at any moment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    The BBC says the unnamed presenter who is alleged to have paid thousands of pounds to a teenager in exchange for explicit sexual images has been suspended.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    edited July 2023
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The BBC says the unnamed presenter who is alleged to have paid thousands of pounds to a teenager in exchange for explicit sexual images has been suspended.

    So now every BBC presenter who, for whatever reason, doesn’t present their show next week, will become a suspect.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The BBC says the unnamed presenter who is alleged to have paid thousands of pounds to a teenager in exchange for explicit sexual images has been suspended.

    So now every BBC presenter who, for whatever reason, doesn’t preset their show next week, will become a suspect.
    Well its one way of reducing absenteeism.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    24 runs to go!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,914
    Casino_Royale said:

    24 runs to go!

    Don't jinx it
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,914
    This is agony
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,763
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The BBC says the unnamed presenter who is alleged to have paid thousands of pounds to a teenager in exchange for explicit sexual images has been suspended.

    So now every BBC presenter who, for whatever reason, doesn’t preset their show next week, will become a suspect.
    Well its one way of reducing absenteeism.....
    Can you imagine if you were a BBC presenter scheduled to be on air tomorrow and then tonight you get really sick and can’t go to work. Nightmare.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,719
    If Tory backbenchers don't know the difference between a toilet and a bidet then I'm glad I've never had one use our bathroom.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,914
    YOU JINXED IT
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    Oh god
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,360
    Oh no.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    22 wins and 4 wickets remaining.

    Can England screw it up from here?

    Oh yes, but it's close now. Very close.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,801
    Why is the ball being hit in the air at all?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,914
    I am actually blaming @Casino_Royale for that. Literally. Everyone has been rightly pessimistic
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    Winviz will go from 99% to 1%....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    All they needed to do was keep nudging singles.

    Now Wood, it will be either 21 needed in 6 balls or gone.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,770
    It’s my fault. I just logged in to PB after a weekend off. I’ll log back out now. Sorry everyone.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    The 50 Australia got for their last 2 wickets was massive.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    Andy_JS said:

    Why is the ball being hit in the air at all?

    Because they are bowling short and it’s bloody hard to get on top of every ball.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,785
    Casino_Royale said:

    22 wins and 4 wickets remaining.

    Can England screw it up from here?

    Oh yes, but it's close now. Very close.

    Go to ConHome. Go directly to ConHome. Do not pass anywhere else.

    Just go.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    Leon said:

    I am actually blaming @Casino_Royale for that. Literally. Everyone has been rightly pessimistic

    Nob. What I say on here or not makes fuck all difference.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    edited July 2023
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    22 wins and 4 wickets remaining.

    Can England screw it up from here?

    Oh yes, but it's close now. Very close.

    Go to ConHome. Go directly to ConHome. Do not pass anywhere else.

    Just go.
    No its worse than even that....sent to watch GB News....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,914
    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    I am actually blaming @Casino_Royale for that. Literally. Everyone has been rightly pessimistic

    Nob. What I say on here or not makes fuck all difference.
    Er, it's a joke
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Into the teens

    No hope obviously
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    Leon said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    I am actually blaming @Casino_Royale for that. Literally. Everyone has been rightly pessimistic

    Nob. What I say on here or not makes fuck all difference.
    Er, it's a joke
    Er, likewise.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,763
    Miklosvar said:

    Into the teens

    No hope obviously

    Is the the BBC presenter or the cricket?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,360
    Oh Ashington.
    Is wonderful.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,642
    I told you it was 21 in 6 balls or bust....
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,509
    9/1 on Sunak going in 2023 feels about right or maybe too short. The Conservatives trying another leader seems risible. I’m not saying Sunak is great (he’s not), but he’s not the reason why their polling is so bad. The brand is discredited. Maybe a different leader would get a few percentage points from Reform UK, or another would claw back a few from Labour, maybe… but they’re still going to lose.

    Unless, that is, something turns up. That’s all the Tories can do. Hope for inflation to fall rapidly, small boats to dry up, maybe a win in Ukraine.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,555
    DavidL said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Why is the ball being hit in the air at all?

    Because they are bowling short and it’s bloody hard to get on top of every ball.
    And when the ball goes 6 rows back into the crowd, then who cares.

    Fantastic six that.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    12 to go - tantalising close
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,801
    100/1 for a tied match value on Betfair?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,785
    Andy_JS said:

    100/1 for a tied match value on Betfair?

    Not any more, but it was a good piece of speculation for a bit.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,075
    Fuck his bowling. Our new number 3!!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Andy_JS said:

    100/1 for a tied match value on Betfair?

    Probably the only way it could happen would be if nuclear war breaks out in the next 15 minutes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,931
    Topped up on England when Stokes wicket went unlike the rest of you sofa cowerers
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,555
    Can be done in one ball now ...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,004
    This should be it - fingers crossed.
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