354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
Lib Dem focus leaflets highlighting the abstention of the local MP being mass-printed across the shires as we speak.
I sort of find it disappointing with the arcane traditions of the House that abstention doesn't literally involve MPs being made to sit on a fence somewhere in the Commons.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
It doesn't reflect particularly well on the abstainers either.
Sunak should have voted but I understand Starmer abstained as well which is strange
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
It doesn't reflect particularly well on the abstainers either.
Sunak should have voted but I understand Starmer abstained as well which is strange
Question for Labourite PB-ers. You guys are gonna win in 2024 (I think win pretty big, as the Scots punish the Nats). And good luck o you, the Tories had 13 years and blew it, on the whole
So: what could a Starmer government do, what WILL a Starmer government do, that will make you profoundly grateful for a Labour government at last?
I don't mean "just not being Tories" or "kissing goodbye to Jacob Rees Mogg", I mean positive things that you expect Labour to do, which will benefit the country
eg Boris Johnsin can say, of his 2019 election, he Got Brexit Done. You may loathe and despise Brexit, but with his big majority Boris finally got the will of people enacted, thereby saving our reputation for democracy - or, indeed, democracy - and a lot of people voted for him to do exactly that. And he did it
What will be the Starmerite equivalent? I am intrigued
I expect the Starmer government to be deliberately technocratic. Lots of house building. Quite strong on crime and justice. Not so strong on health and education. Some more help for families, but not enough. Will have an industrial policy.Continuity on fiscal, foreign and defence policy.
Sounds about right, though not sure what “not so strong on health” means.
I think the idea is to invest in health tech in a more concerted fashion to drive up NHS productivity which as even Jeremy Hunt has noticed, is in steep decline. I expect a return to Blairite targets too, which,..actually worked.
What I mean is that Labour policies in areas they are most interested in are extensive, comprehensive and specific. On that basis Labour are most interested in house building, industrial policy, crime and justice, data regulation.and to some extent family policy, procurement and asylum policy.
Policies are skimpy and formulaic in areas they are not interested in such as foreign policy and constitutional affairs. They don't say too much about health. Train 10 000 nurses (everyone says that), move to more technology and focus on primary care. But they don't flesh these last two out, so suspect they may not get a lot of priority. Maybe I'm wrong on that and they will be quite radical. Also on transport.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
It doesn't reflect particularly well on the abstainers either.
Sunak should have voted but I understand Starmer abstained as well which is strange
Were they paired?
Doubt it. Pairs require someone of another party to pair with; they're for whipped votes which this wasn't.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
It doesn't reflect particularly well on the abstainers either.
Sunak should have voted but I understand Starmer abstained as well which is strange
I sort of find it disappointing with the arcane traditions of the House that abstention doesn't literally involve MPs being made to sit on a fence somewhere in the Commons.
On this particular vote sitting on the tip of Penny Mordaunt’s simple sword of truth would have been most appropriate.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
Lib Dem focus leaflets highlighting the abstention of the local MP being mass-printed across the shires as we speak.
Not all, they can't do that in Theresa May or Greg Clark's constituencies for example, they can in Hunt's and Redwood's however
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
England are embarrassingly overblessed with footballing talent
I would have them as favourites for the euros 24
Not fatally stifled by Woke?
To be fair, Wokery has finally gone off the boil this year - crippled by ludicrous ultra-liberal overreach and a half-decent opposition put up (finally) by many, including the Tories, capitalising on public scepticism more widely.
That hasn't happened "naturally" but because a resistance was put up to what was argued to be progressive inevitability- a salutary lesson to those that think the tide of history only marches one way: it doesn't.
Afaics here that means only the Tories and their fans in the press; that's currently not giving a huge longevity vibe to the counter revolution. As for antiwoke defender of Judeo Christian family values Putin..
Just seven MPs backed @BorisJohnson, opposing Privileges Cttee censure over his misleading Parliament. No wonder he asked them to stay away. 7 feels even more humiliating than motion going through with no opposition.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
It doesn't reflect particularly well on the abstainers either.
Sunak should have voted but I understand Starmer abstained as well which is strange
Were they paired?
Yes.
Pairing only makes sense if they disagree. Was Rishi going to vote against?
Bulld Back Better / Green New Deal / Housing New Deal with Europe closer to EEA Standards in public life
You cannot seriously be suggesting that 'Green New Deal' is a viable policy. Spending even more of the public's non-existent money on Net Zero stuff to make us an 'energy superpower'? If this were even possible (spoiler, it isn't), could others with more money not just do it better and faster than us anyway?
Which is amusing, but we can be sure more would have done so for Boris, which is why there was obvious coordination to mass abstain instead, in order to push down the total number (We didn't vote to save him!) for the price of not embarrassing him with the number who would vote against him (We didn't vote to punish him!).
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
It doesn't reflect particularly well on the abstainers either.
Sunak should have voted but I understand Starmer abstained as well which is strange
Were they paired?
Not sure but maybe
Obviously not. They would have voted the same way. Weird move by Starmer. But then the football was on.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
No, but you know very well how votes are counted. If there were 5 votes for, 2 against, and 623 abstentions, it would pass despite the 'majority'.
Of the 365 Conservative MPs elected in 2019, I currently make it that 58 won't be contesting their successor seats (following the boundary review) as sitting Conservatives at the next general election.
With more still to follow, that's already quite a dent for a governing party. Relatively few of those seats can be regarded as safe on present polling. Given the electoral advantages of incumbents, now lost, it will make the difference between the Conservatives successfully defending and losing in a handful of seats at the GE.
Breakdown: 40 sitting as Conservatives have announced they are standing down at the GE 3 now sitting as Independents (Hancock, Knight, Pincher) have announced that they are standing down at the GE 1 was expelled then defected (Bridgen) 1 defected (Wakeford) 2 did not win selection for successor seats (Drummond, Hudson) 1 jumped ship to a more winnable seat (Hughes) 3 have just resigned causing pending by-elections (Johnson, Adams, Warburton) 1 has announced that she will either resign or will stand down so having yet to decide is not yet included in the 40 above (Dorries) 3 resigned in disgrace (Paterson, Khan, Parish) and the by-election was lost 1 died and the by-election was lost (Gillan) 2 died and the by-election was defended (Amess, Brokenshire)
The net loss of Conservative incumbents is 55 not 58 as the last two above have been replaced with new incumbents and the Conservatives also gained Hartlepool. The net loss will go down further if they successfully defend any of the pending by-elections, although with only a year to go any incumbency bonus for a new MP would be modest.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
You are grasping at straws if you think almost any would have voted for your malign hero
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick Gibb Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
You are grasping at straws if you think almost any would have voted for your malign hero
225 conservative abstentions and 18 Labour plus 10 independents
And my apologies as Keir Starmer voted yes having returned from Scotland
Sunak really has missed an opportunity to move the dial
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
It doesn't reflect particularly well on the abstainers either.
Sunak should have voted but I understand Starmer abstained as well which is strange
Were they paired?
Not sure but maybe
Obviously not. They would have voted the same way. Weird move by Starmer. But then the football was on.
Seems Starmer did vote having returned from Scotland
With the talent surging through the England squad I suggest this is VALUE (and I nearly always advise against betting ON England: the patriotic punter warps the market)
But this is real. England possess an excess of exuberant talent; can Gareth finally unlock it?
It would be more appropriate to ask: "Can Gareth finally fail to f**k it up?"
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick G Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
A fair number of Tory MPs from Remain seats there with the LDs breathing down their necks like Pow, Chalk and Scully (plus May of course), Simon Hart, Lee Rowley. Chris Philp and Steve Baker in marginal seats Labour are targeting.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
Which Tories voted for, and which against?
Rees Mogg and Cash definitely voted against, Nicci, Fletcher and Jake Berry too. May, Mordaunt, Lewis and Seely definitely for
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
You are grasping at straws if you think almost any would have voted for your malign hero
Certainly appears that Boris Johnson's 11th-hour appeal to his (theoretical) phalanx of die-hard BJers, to NOT vote against the report, was pretty pathetic effort to cover up (actual) paucity of his remaining parliamentary support.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
You are grasping at straws if you think almost any would have voted for your malign hero
225 conservative abstentions and 18 Labour plus 10 independents
And my apologies as Keir Starmer voted yes having returned from Scotland
Sunak really has missed an opportunity to move the dial
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
You are grasping at straws if you think almost any would have voted for your malign hero
225 conservative abstentions and 18 Labour plus 10 independents
And my apologies as Keir Starmer voted yes having returned from Scotland
Sunak really has missed an opportunity to move the dial
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
You are grasping at straws if you think almost any would have voted for your malign hero
225 conservative abstentions and 18 Labour plus 10 independents
And my apologies as Keir Starmer voted yes having returned from Scotland
Sunak really has missed an opportunity to move the dial
Interesting that over 100 Tories did vote in favour. That needs to be the rump upon which the Tories regroup.
The rest should go, and soon. They simply don’t understand how to uphold parliamentary democracy.
Some of them will lose their seats to LDs and Labour. The Tory membership will ensure most likely anyone who voted for the report to convict Boris will lose to a leadership candidate who abstained
Interesting that over 100 Tories did vote in favour. That needs to be the rump upon which the Tories regroup.
The rest should go, and soon. They simply don’t understand how to uphold parliamentary democracy.
Interesting exercise, to compare the results of THIS division, with one in early May 1940, which saw Boris Johnson's alleged hero, Winston Churchill, voting (in effect) FOR a failed, discredited, unpopular soon-to-be former Conservative Prime Minister.
Neville Chamberlain actually WON that division, with way more Tory MPs in his favor, and far fewer absentions.
Opinion | Biden isn’t far enough left for me. So in the 2024 Democratic primary, I’m supporting the anti-vaccine, anti-immigrant, pro-Putin candidate who is backed by right-wing billionaires. https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1670829073738747906
Interesting that over 100 Tories did vote in favour. That needs to be the rump upon which the Tories regroup.
The rest should go, and soon. They simply don’t understand how to uphold parliamentary democracy.
Some of them will lose their seats to LDs and Labour. The Tory membership will ensure most likely anyone who voted for the report to convict Boris will lose to a leadership candidate who abstained
Thanks for confirming that Tory party members lack a moral compass.
354 MPs for the Boris report, so a narrow majority in favour but most Tory MPs abstained and did not vote for it and 7 Conservative MPs even voted against the report
354 to 7 a narrow majority only in your mind
Abstentions are exactly that and the 7 against are dinosaurs
The 289 abstentions, almost all Tory MPs, were not votes for the Boris report though
You are grasping at straws if you think almost any would have voted for your malign hero
225 conservative abstentions and 18 Labour plus 10 independents
And my apologies as Keir Starmer voted yes having returned from Scotland
Sunak really has missed an opportunity to move the dial
He didn't have any good options, given the bitter and rancrous state of the party. But he still managed to select (and seekingly push onto the majority of the PCP) probably the worst option.
Has there ever been a PM with a nominally comfortable majority as weak as Rishi?
Opinion | Biden isn’t far enough left for me. So in the 2024 Democratic primary, I’m supporting the anti-vaccine, anti-immigrant, pro-Putin candidate who is backed by right-wing billionaires. https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1670829073738747906
Horseshoe theory accrues more supporting evidence every day.
It is bad politics. It is bad ethically. And it shows an impressive lack of a sense of self-preservation.
Sunak really is a very poor politician.
Might have made a decent Deputy PM - work up some detail, occasionally do some light cover for the PM, but not the one coming up with ideas or driving decisions.
Interesting that over 100 Tories did vote in favour. That needs to be the rump upon which the Tories regroup.
The rest should go, and soon. They simply don’t understand how to uphold parliamentary democracy.
Some of them will lose their seats to LDs and Labour. The Tory membership will ensure most likely anyone who voted for the report to convict Boris will lose to a leadership candidate who abstained
That is your wish and clearly you are seeking the destruction of the conservative party
Your lack of support for honesty integrity and decency are the exact opposite of your so called Christian values
Opinion | Biden isn’t far enough left for me. So in the 2024 Democratic primary, I’m supporting the anti-vaccine, anti-immigrant, pro-Putin candidate who is backed by right-wing billionaires. https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1670829073738747906
RFK, Jr = Ye of 2024
Recruited and funded to take a little hide off Biden, starting in primaries and into the 2024 general.
When even a mickle like (Kanye>) Kennedy might just muck up a tight POTUS race?
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick G Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
A fair number of Tory MPs from Remain seats there with the LDs breathing down their necks like Pow, Chalk and Scully (plus May of course), Simon Hart, Lee Rowley. Chris Philp and Steve Baker in marginal seats Labour are targeting.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
Weren’t Mordaunt and Tugendhat your favoured candidates for leader after Boris resigned?
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick G Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
A fair number of Tory MPs from Remain seats there with the LDs breathing down their necks like Pow, Chalk and Scully (plus May of course), Simon Hart, Lee Rowley. Chris Philp and Steve Baker in marginal seats Labour are targeting.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
Weren’t Mordaunt and Tugendhat your favoured candidates for leader after Boris resigned?
Then Sunak, now however I would make Barclay (who abstained tonight) the likely favourite to beat either of the above in the final round to become Tory Leader of the Opposition. Assuming Sunak loses the general election next year. Badenoch, Patel and Braverman also abstained and will compete to be the ERG candidate
Interesting that over 100 Tories did vote in favour. That needs to be the rump upon which the Tories regroup.
The rest should go, and soon. They simply don’t understand how to uphold parliamentary democracy.
Some of them will lose their seats to LDs and Labour. The Tory membership will ensure most likely anyone who voted for the report to convict Boris will lose to a leadership candidate who abstained
That is your wish and clearly you are seeking the destruction of the conservative party
Your lack of support for honesty integrity and decency are the exact opposite of your so called Christian values
You and I do not belong in the same party
I would likely have abstained like most Tory MPs, if you dislike that off you go to Starmer Labour or the LDs.
Jesus also preached forgiveness, Boris has already been fined, lost the premiership voters gave him a mandate for in 2019 and now even left Parliament too
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick G Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
A fair number of Tory MPs from Remain seats there with the LDs breathing down their necks like Pow, Chalk and Scully (plus May of course), Simon Hart, Lee Rowley. Chris Philp and Steve Baker in marginal seats Labour are targeting.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
Weren’t Mordaunt and Tugendhat your favoured candidates for leader after Boris resigned?
Then Sunak, now however I would make Barclay (who abstained tonight) the likely favourite to beat either of the above in the final round to become Tory Leader of the Opposition. Assuming Sunak loses the general election next year. Badenoch and Braverman also abstained and will compete to be the ERG candidate
You said earlier that the membership will see to it that all those who abstained will not represent their seat at the next GE
Opinion | Biden isn’t far enough left for me. So in the 2024 Democratic primary, I’m supporting the anti-vaccine, anti-immigrant, pro-Putin candidate who is backed by right-wing billionaires. https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1670829073738747906
Horseshoe theory accrues more supporting evidence every day.
Au contraire. It's not a horseshoe. It's a circle.
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick G Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
A fair number of Tory MPs from Remain seats there with the LDs breathing down their necks like Pow, Chalk and Scully (plus May of course), Simon Hart, Lee Rowley. Chris Philp and Steve Baker in marginal seats Labour are targeting.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
Weren’t Mordaunt and Tugendhat your favoured candidates for leader after Boris resigned?
Then Sunak, now however I would make Barclay (who abstained tonight) the likely favourite to beat either of the above in the final round to become Tory Leader of the Opposition. Assuming Sunak loses the general election next year. Badenoch and Braverman also abstained and will compete to be the ERG candidate
You said earlier that the membership will see to it that all those who abstained will not represent their seat at the next GE
None of these will be allowed to stand then
Some of the 118 who voted for the report in very pro Boris seats in Brexit areas will face deselection attempts yes, those in Remain seats targeted by the LDs will likely survive to be candidates at the next election at least
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick G Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
A fair number of Tory MPs from Remain seats there with the LDs breathing down their necks like Pow, Chalk and Scully (plus May of course), Simon Hart, Lee Rowley. Chris Philp and Steve Baker in marginal seats Labour are targeting.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
Weren’t Mordaunt and Tugendhat your favoured candidates for leader after Boris resigned?
Then Sunak, now however I would make Barclay (who abstained tonight) the likely favourite to beat either of the above in the final round to become Tory Leader of the Opposition. Assuming Sunak loses the general election next year. Badenoch and Braverman also abstained and will compete to be the ERG candidate
You said earlier that the membership will see to it that all those who abstained will not represent their seat at the next GE
None of these will be allowed to stand then
Are we in for another evening of @HYUFD twisting and turning as he awaits the official CCHQ response?
Will vote in favour; commends the committee. Looks like she is taking on the challenge of rising above the minutiae…
“debate strikes at the heart of the bond of trust between the public and this parliament”
Tobias Elwood intervenes to indicate his support.
May: “with leadership comes responsibility….”
Yes, May just confirmed she will vote in favour of the report condemning Boris.
I am sure the former PM will enjoy every moment of it too!
And so she should. Amuses me that Johnson expected loyalty to him but has never shown loyalty to anyone else, including his own family
Loyalty to people is a mugs' game. You're just giving them license to use you as a doormat. If you ever face a choice between abandoning a well-thought-out principle at the request of a person, treat the person as though they've been grooming you. Otherwise you'll be left clearing up the mess they caused you to make, looking like a twat because you knew better but did the wrong thing anyway.
Okay not implying any judgement here..I have always assumed you to be fairly left wing. Is not what you are saying pretty right wing here....loyalty to self over loyalty to the collective. I am genuinely asking because to me left wing thought is you dont matter and you should subjugate what you want for the greater good?
I'm not left wing, I'm a centrist liberal. Some of my beliefs fit well with the left and some of the fit well with the right.
There are two reasons why I often get mistaken for a lefty. One is that I desperately want the Tories out, but that's mainly an issue over standards in public life and the illiberal lurch they have embodied in recent years. I want the sensible people to take over again. The other reason is because I'm a constitutional radical. I don't believe in hierarchies, religion, monarchy, or generational inequality. I think people should be allowed to get rich through hard work or brilliance, and not through rentier capitalism and being born into the right class or caste.
Having said all that the idea you raise, of submitting to the collective, isn't just a left wing idea. It's a feature of some left wing thought, certainly. It's a feature of the authoritarian right and fascism, too. It's present in some forms of nationalism. I find all that stuff a bit distasteful. Yes, we are social beings, but all relationships should be voluntary and everyone should have the means and opportunity to shut other people out (almost) whenever they need to. I think this kind of individualism underpins liberalism, it's sort of a core assumption insofar as I understand liberalism, and I would encourage people to try to free themselves of relationship types that bind them into doing things that conflict with their own sense of right and wrong.
You are Ed Miliband on economics and foreign policy, Jeremy Corbyn on the constitution and social issues basically
Interesting that over 100 Tories did vote in favour. That needs to be the rump upon which the Tories regroup.
The rest should go, and soon. They simply don’t understand how to uphold parliamentary democracy.
Some of them will lose their seats to LDs and Labour. The Tory membership will ensure most likely anyone who voted for the report to convict Boris will lose to a leadership candidate who abstained
That is your wish and clearly you are seeking the destruction of the conservative party
Your lack of support for honesty integrity and decency are the exact opposite of your so called Christian values
You and I do not belong in the same party
Indeed, I have long wondered why you are in the Tory party G as you don’t present as in the least bit rightwing.
@Steven_Swinford 19s Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt Alex Chalk Simon Hart Gillian Keegan Tom Tugendhat Chris Philp George Freeman Steve Baker Ed Argar Nick G Jesse Norman Guy Opperman Paul Scully Rebecca Pow Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
A fair number of Tory MPs from Remain seats there with the LDs breathing down their necks like Pow, Chalk and Scully (plus May of course), Simon Hart, Lee Rowley. Chris Philp and Steve Baker in marginal seats Labour are targeting.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
Weren’t Mordaunt and Tugendhat your favoured candidates for leader after Boris resigned?
Then Sunak, now however I would make Barclay (who abstained tonight) the likely favourite to beat either of the above in the final round to become Tory Leader of the Opposition. Assuming Sunak loses the general election next year. Badenoch and Braverman also abstained and will compete to be the ERG candidate
You said earlier that the membership will see to it that all those who abstained will not represent their seat at the next GE
None of these will be allowed to stand then
How often do candidates fail to get reselected? How many have already been reselected? The chances of being punished by their local parties looks rather remote, even if the stereotype that all constituency parties are made up of nothing but extreme right wingers were true.
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set of policies. They don’t pretend to be transformative. Certainly yet.
The trouble for Labour is that the bar for winning an election is different from the Tories because they are not the “default” party of government.
The Labour test is “can you transform the country for the better?” If not, then the Tories get back in.
The Tory test is “are you not completely incompetent and malevolent?” If so, then you get in.
https://twitter.com/scott_wortley/status/1670895943107870722?s=46
At least I think that's correct.
Just seven MPs backed @BorisJohnson, opposing Privileges Cttee censure over his misleading Parliament.
No wonder he asked them to stay away.
7 feels even more humiliating than motion going through with no opposition.
Just saying.
Weird move by Starmer. But then the football was on.
Boris Johnson got fewer votes than he has alleged children.
He is a coward and a snake. He deserves to be voted out.
now
Breaking:
118 Tory MPs voted in favour of the Privileges Committee’s damning report into Boris Johnson
Just seven votes against
The rest stayed away
With more still to follow, that's already quite a dent for a governing party. Relatively few of those seats can be regarded as safe on present polling. Given the electoral advantages of incumbents, now lost, it will make the difference between the Conservatives successfully defending and losing in a handful of seats at the GE.
Breakdown:
40 sitting as Conservatives have announced they are standing down at the GE
3 now sitting as Independents (Hancock, Knight, Pincher) have announced that they are standing down at the GE
1 was expelled then defected (Bridgen)
1 defected (Wakeford)
2 did not win selection for successor seats (Drummond, Hudson)
1 jumped ship to a more winnable seat (Hughes)
3 have just resigned causing pending by-elections (Johnson, Adams, Warburton)
1 has announced that she will either resign or will stand down so having yet to decide is not yet included in the 40 above (Dorries)
3 resigned in disgrace (Paterson, Khan, Parish) and the by-election was lost
1 died and the by-election was lost (Gillan)
2 died and the by-election was defended (Amess, Brokenshire)
The net loss of Conservative incumbents is 55 not 58 as the last two above have been replaced with new incumbents and the Conservatives also gained Hartlepool. The net loss will go down further if they successfully defend any of the pending by-elections, although with only a year to go any incumbency bonus for a new MP would be modest.
So around 1/3 of the party are anti Boris, 2/3 a combination of pro-Boris and 'leave me alone I just want to lose my seat in peace'.
19s
Tory ministers who voted in favour of Privileges Committee report included:
Penny Mordaunt
Alex Chalk
Simon Hart
Gillian Keegan
Tom Tugendhat
Chris Philp
George Freeman
Steve Baker
Ed Argar
Nick Gibb
Jesse Norman
Guy Opperman
Paul Scully
Rebecca Pow
Lee Rowley
Who is missing from this list....
30s
After all that; she didn’t vote against the report?
https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1670902509886423043
And my apologies as Keir Starmer voted yes having returned from Scotland
Sunak really has missed an opportunity to move the dial
Seriously?
Let's bring this one back.
More Conservative MPs voted in support of Margaret Ferrier than in support of Boris Johnson.
Mordaunt and Tugendhat position themselves as anti Boris candidates in the likely next Tory leadership contest if Rishi loses next year
The big four offices of state: PM, Deputy PM, Foreign Sec and Home Sec all abstained.
Think a high chance that comes up next time each of them faces a grilling in parliament.
https://conservativehome.com/2023/06/19/candidate-warburton-resigns-holmes-replaces-naughton-in-selby-and-ainsty-and-hughes-is-selected-for-pinchers-seat-of-tamworth/
That needs to be the rump upon which the Tories regroup.
The rest should go, and soon.
They simply don’t understand how to uphold parliamentary democracy.
https://twitter.com/tarajaneoreilly/status/1670904859124457474?s=46
It was a day of striking cowardice from Rishi Sunak's Cabinet.
https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1670905753249501189
Sunak really is a very poor politician.
Neville Chamberlain actually WON that division, with way more Tory MPs in his favor, and far fewer absentions.
Truly, the Worm of History has turned.
https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1670829073738747906
Shame really. Seven is so much more evocative a number.
Envy, gluttony, avarice, lust, pride, sloth, and wrath...
Has there ever been a PM with a nominally comfortable majority as weak as Rishi?
Your lack of support for honesty integrity and decency are the exact opposite of your so called Christian values
You and I do not belong in the same party
Recruited and funded to take a little hide off Biden, starting in primaries and into the 2024 general.
When even a mickle like (Kanye>) Kennedy might just muck up a tight POTUS race?
Hacker: It doesn't do the government any good to look heartless and feeble simultaneously.
Woolley: Perhaps you could arrange it so you only look heartless and feeble alternately?
Pathetic.
Jesus also preached forgiveness, Boris has already been fined, lost the premiership voters gave him a mandate for in 2019 and now even left Parliament too
Time for a change.
Couldn't be worse.
None of these will be allowed to stand then
It's not a horseshoe. It's a circle.
Which is interesting at a couple of levels. His party is genuinely terrifying. And he's given up on the voters.
It is rather sad you feel the need to respond the way you do at times