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  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,781
    ohnotnow said:

    On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    I'm very fond of 'Nathan Barley', but I suspect I'm in quite a minority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Barley
    I loved the website TVGoHome from which Nathan Barley sprang. (This was roughly the moment at which the internet became funnier than TV: I also enjoyed from that era the Framley Examiner and Law of the Playground).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,246

    Off-topic (and utterly random):

    Has anyone come across any piccies of the Kakhovka Dam in the last few days, now that the waters have receded? It'd be interesting to see the damage. My Google-fu as failed as all the pictures seem to be of it whilst it is still draining.

    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1669659376854941703/photo/1

    vs

    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1669659376854941703/photo/2

    ??
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,189
    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    I thought the Two Ronnies were very funny.

    Comedy doesn't always age terribly well. I thought the Two Ronnies was funny in the 80s, but watching reruns it doesn't really work as well. No criticism of them - they are both funny men - but the material we find funny changes. I don't know why that should be so, but it does. It's not even that different generations find different things funny: things which are funny then are often just not funny now. Nothing to do with woke - just our collective tastes change. I guess something to do with humour being a defying of expectations; if you know the sort of thing to expect, maybe that takes away some of the humour.
    I still find them enjoyably clever sometimes, though (which is almost, but not quite, the same thing), like the Mastermind 'answering the previous question' specialist subject. And I find Ronnie Corbett's monologues funnier now than I did then.
    Monty Python, OTOH, I think has aged very well indeed and is almost as good now as it was back then.
    Dad’s Army is still good.
    (I think, I haven’t seen an episode in about 20 years).

    I saw an episode of It Ain’t Half Hot Mum about ten years ago and I thought it was actually pretty good, all things considered.

    Sitcoms date OK, the good ones anyway.
    It's just as well since they don't seem to be making them any more.
    One of the best ever, Curb Your Enthusiasm, still gets made. So does The Simpsons.
    The first ten seasons or so of The Simpsons are great. Afterwards it's becomes terrible.
    Although it took a good three series to get going.

    That still leaves seven series when it was possibly funnier than anything else on telly. That's pretty remarkable, even if there was subsequently quite a long tail.

    I know it is now seen as unwoke for many legitimate reasons but I think Friends was consistently funny for its entire 10 season run. Fantastic writing and not a few poignant narrative arcs. I happen to disagree with @BartholomewRoberts about the lesbian element as yes it was a gag at times but they were shown throughout as the smart, sensible ones in the face of Ross' mania.
    I would laugh at Friends, but it was the laughter of an irritated man.
    It was very American - shiny characters living implausibly shiny lives. Which is different to Father Ted*, rather than wrong per se, but still set me up to resent it.
    And I always saw it as something of a girls' sitcom. Again, not wrong to have girls' sitcoms, but didn't put me in the mood to enjoy it.
    And of the six main characters, three were highly irritating (the female ones). I know they were meant to be, but it didn't predispose you to spend 30 minutes with them.
    And yet - if despite all of that I found myself in front of it, I would have to concede it was very funny. The writing was consistently excellent. Just about every joke landed. The acting was excellent. It was very good indeed.
    It's very strange that it should be seen as unwoke, because in its day it felt very modern in content and tone (which probably also predisposed me to be irritated by it).

    *Father Ted! Why hasn't this been mentioned. My nomination for the funniest sitcom ever. I wonder, if Dermot Morgan had lived, whether the writers would have brought it to a satisfying narrative conclusion in the way that some other classics managed?
    Although I don't find Father Ted as funny as Black Books, which I think has also aged a lot better - it's only 5 years younger
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,781
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Keir Starmer was very good in the Brittas Empire.

    image

    How to explain The Brittas Empire to future generations?
    I didn't really find the Brittas Empire funny at the time. But those who did found it very funny indeed.

    A relative of mine deals with a lot of comedy figures and reckons Chris Barrie by some way the nicest he has dealt with.
    Appears to have had a really threadbare career post Brittas and Red Dwarf for a man of his talents ! But he was brilliant as both Rimmer and Brittas.
    Yes, I always thought his problem was that he was brilliant at playing really dislikeable characters. If you play a likeable character, everyone wants you; I don't know how the industry works but I bet it's not the same for dislikeable characters. Not baddies as such - everyone wanted Alan Rickman - just irritants.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876
    Scott_xP said:

    @RishiSunak
    A welcome distraction between meetings…

    First day of an Ashes series is always a bit special.

    Exciting first session - good luck to @benstokes38 and the team for this afternoon 🏏


    Was it Attlee who was persuaded to have a ticker machine in Downing Street on the grounds it would show the cricket scores? Alec Douglas-Home played, of course, and both Major and May went to watch tests on being replaced.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,246

    CatMan said:

    Cookie said:

    I thought the Two Ronnies were very funny.

    Comedy doesn't always age terribly well. I thought the Two Ronnies was funny in the 80s, but watching reruns it doesn't really work as well. No criticism of them - they are both funny men - but the material we find funny changes. I don't know why that should be so, but it does. It's not even that different generations find different things funny: things which are funny then are often just not funny now. Nothing to do with woke - just our collective tastes change. I guess something to do with humour being a defying of expectations; if you know the sort of thing to expect, maybe that takes away some of the humour.
    I still find them enjoyably clever sometimes, though (which is almost, but not quite, the same thing), like the Mastermind 'answering the previous question' specialist subject. And I find Ronnie Corbett's monologues funnier now than I did then.
    Monty Python, OTOH, I think has aged very well indeed and is almost as good now as it was back then.
    Dad’s Army is still good.
    (I think, I haven’t seen an episode in about 20 years).

    I saw an episode of It Ain’t Half Hot Mum about ten years ago and I thought it was actually pretty good, all things considered.

    Sitcoms date OK, the good ones anyway.
    It Ain't Half Hot Mum isn't as bad as Curry & Chips. My god that was...something else
    Sitcoms set in history hold up very well. Dad's Army is gentle humour, with affection for all of the cast. In real life you should hate the spiv, but here he's likeable. Mainwaring is a figure of fun, pompous, just assumes he should be in charge, but utterly brave and wants to do his duty. I have no doubt he would have given his life if required.

    In recent times Upstart Crow has mined the same period as Blackadder 2, but in a very different way. Blackadder could be a lot more cruel, whereas Upstart Crow rarely is. And Upstart Crow has had pathos too, with the death of the son.
    There was one episode, wasn't there, when the platoon believes the Germans have invaded and the platoon shoots at them from a couple of cottages (the joke being that Mainwaring and Wilson's sections are firing at each other) where Mainwaring, asking for volunteers to hold up the German army, says something like "it will mean the end for us, of course" or am I horribly misremembering?

    Or the film, when the platoon retakes the church hall? Of course, the whole set-up was that most of the Home Guard were veterans of earlier wars. Some of the actors too.
    From my grandfather's letters, the men in the Home Guard knew exactly what Churchill meant when he said "You can always take a German with you". They expected to hold every improvised strongpoint for as a long as possible, then *try* and escape. Being WWI soldiers they knew what that meant - and they seemed to be OK with that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,571
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Keir Starmer was very good in the Brittas Empire.

    image

    How to explain The Brittas Empire to future generations?
    I didn't really find the Brittas Empire funny at the time. But those who did found it very funny indeed.

    A relative of mine deals with a lot of comedy figures and reckons Chris Barrie by some way the nicest he has dealt with.
    Appears to have had a really threadbare career post Brittas and Red Dwarf for a man of his talents ! But he was brilliant as both Rimmer and Brittas.
    He was in a couple of 'Tomb Raider' films later on, and narrates a car crash program that can be quite cringingly funny.

    My favourite Chris Barrie anecdote: during the filming of Red Dwarf, the other actors were mucking about as they were trying to do a scene. Barrie - dressed as Rimmer - got angry and said: "Can we have a bit of professionalism, gentlemen?"

    The writers heard him say that, and wrote the line into an episode.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748

    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher
    👀 Boris Johnson is mulling over running as an independent for the London mayoralty next year, hears @CamCavendish

    Johnson’s spox declines to comment, so not ruling out…

    @jamesjohnson252
    11m
    Views of Boris Johnson amongst Londoners - @JLPartnersPolls

    Positive: 15%
    Negative: 67%

    Net score -52 (compared to -45 nationally)

    @robfordmancs

    His popularity is strongest in the Midlands, so if he were thinking of that route back into frontline politics, going for Andy Street's job might be a better option.
    If after all this he really still feels the need for public exposure, I'm afraid he's going to be in Rector of Stiffkey territory.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,609
    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Keir Starmer was very good in the Brittas Empire.

    image

    How to explain The Brittas Empire to future generations?
    I didn't really find the Brittas Empire funny at the time. But those who did found it very funny indeed.

    A relative of mine deals with a lot of comedy figures and reckons Chris Barrie by some way the nicest he has dealt with.
    Appears to have had a really threadbare career post Brittas and Red Dwarf for a man of his talents ! But he was brilliant as both Rimmer and Brittas.
    Yes, I always thought his problem was that he was brilliant at playing really dislikeable characters. If you play a likeable character, everyone wants you; I don't know how the industry works but I bet it's not the same for dislikeable characters. Not baddies as such - everyone wanted Alan Rickman - just irritants.
    There are probably also fewer parts because dislikeable characters like that are harder to write. It's easier to make someone either sympathetic or a villain.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,571

    Off-topic (and utterly random):

    Has anyone come across any piccies of the Kakhovka Dam in the last few days, now that the waters have receded? It'd be interesting to see the damage. My Google-fu as failed as all the pictures seem to be of it whilst it is still draining.

    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1669659376854941703/photo/1

    vs

    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1669659376854941703/photo/2

    ??
    Thanks, but I'm actually thinking of the dam itself. My civil engineering interest is coming to the fore...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876

    On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    Coupling, written by the Dr Who bloke and superficially similar to Friends, was the best from that era imo.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,246
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    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Keir Starmer was very good in the Brittas Empire.

    image

    How to explain The Brittas Empire to future generations?
    I didn't really find the Brittas Empire funny at the time. But those who did found it very funny indeed.

    A relative of mine deals with a lot of comedy figures and reckons Chris Barrie by some way the nicest he has dealt with.
    Appears to have had a really threadbare career post Brittas and Red Dwarf for a man of his talents ! But he was brilliant as both Rimmer and Brittas.
    Yes, I always thought his problem was that he was brilliant at playing really dislikeable characters. If you play a likeable character, everyone wants you; I don't know how the industry works but I bet it's not the same for dislikeable characters. Not baddies as such - everyone wanted Alan Rickman - just irritants.
    There are probably also fewer parts because dislikeable characters like that are harder to write. It's easier to make someone either sympathetic or a villain.
    Wasn't the Ace Rimmer storyline created in part because Chris Barrie commented that he would never get to play a hero?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412

    DougSeal said:

    Surely she can't be holding out for a peerage she isn't going to get?

    She’s being a proper Scouser and trying to bring down a Tory PM.
    When did we pick up one of those?
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    Coupling, written by the Dr Who bloke and superficially similar to Friends, was the best from that era imo.
    I used to love Game On
  • Farooq said:

    This is going well.
    That was unlucky.
    It is a good job that England bat deep. - We are here.

    This is going well.
    That was unlucky.
    It is a good job that England bat deep.
    We'll get them when we field
    Well 1-0 is recoverable
    We've lost but we've got two tests to avoid the whitewash
    It'll be a different story in Australia

    (repeat)
    How could you miss this one out?

    We'll get them when we field
    It looks like its going to rain, that will save us.
    Well 1-0 is recoverable
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987

    This is going well.
    That was unlucky.
    It is a good job that England bat deep. We are here.

    Somethings never change.....Boris Johnson telling porkies and getting rewarded with an extremely well paid writing gig (so much for rise of the AI writers), and England collapso in the Ashes.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I always remember that Boris story about how he thought it was very funny to direct one of his new, young colleagues at the Telegraph to the wrong airport , for her first assignment on a story, and thought that was all very amusing up to not offering an apology later.

    A performance and funny wheeze at other people's expense, with no particular awareness of anything moral.

    Oh get over yourself he isn't the first person to play a practical joke on someone or initiate someone in such a way.

    I believe there was some workplace where one of the workers put a colleague's stapler in some jelly for heaven's sake.
    It's not an initiation, more a kind of mockery unawares.

    I'm not sure what you find in his character that is particularly worth defending.
    As a PM? Precisely nothing. But he is entertaining as a columnist and I bet his columns will be fun to read and engaging. And yes he is a liar and a cheat and lazy and whatnot but that is priced in.
    Johnson is a poor writer. He is not particularly entertaining unless you like obvious, cheap, schoolboy slapstick journalism. Like these from the Telegraph.

    “It is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes” or,

    “It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies”.

    If you want a real fluency and musicality in your writing, look no further than Sports Correspondents. My favourite was the Observer's Hugh McIllvanney;

    "But our reactions are bound to be complicated by the knowledge that it was boxing that gave Johnny Owen his one positive means of self-expression. Outside the ring he was an inaudible and almost invisible personality. Inside, he became astonishingly positive and self-assured. He seemed to be more at home there than anywhere else. It is his tragedy that he found himself articulate in such a dangerous language".
  • On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    Coupling, written by the Dr Who bloke and superficially similar to Friends, was the best from that era imo.
    The scene from Coupling where he freaks out at a dinner party over the toilet door is one of the funniest bits of television I've seen.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876

    On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    Coupling, written by the Dr Who bloke and superficially similar to Friends, was the best from that era imo.
    I used to love Game On
    Especially the first couple of series.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    kamski said:

    Cookie said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    I thought the Two Ronnies were very funny.

    Comedy doesn't always age terribly well. I thought the Two Ronnies was funny in the 80s, but watching reruns it doesn't really work as well. No criticism of them - they are both funny men - but the material we find funny changes. I don't know why that should be so, but it does. It's not even that different generations find different things funny: things which are funny then are often just not funny now. Nothing to do with woke - just our collective tastes change. I guess something to do with humour being a defying of expectations; if you know the sort of thing to expect, maybe that takes away some of the humour.
    I still find them enjoyably clever sometimes, though (which is almost, but not quite, the same thing), like the Mastermind 'answering the previous question' specialist subject. And I find Ronnie Corbett's monologues funnier now than I did then.
    Monty Python, OTOH, I think has aged very well indeed and is almost as good now as it was back then.
    Dad’s Army is still good.
    (I think, I haven’t seen an episode in about 20 years).

    I saw an episode of It Ain’t Half Hot Mum about ten years ago and I thought it was actually pretty good, all things considered.

    Sitcoms date OK, the good ones anyway.
    It's just as well since they don't seem to be making them any more.
    One of the best ever, Curb Your Enthusiasm, still gets made. So does The Simpsons.
    The first ten seasons or so of The Simpsons are great. Afterwards it's becomes terrible.
    Although it took a good three series to get going.

    That still leaves seven series when it was possibly funnier than anything else on telly. That's pretty remarkable, even if there was subsequently quite a long tail.

    I know it is now seen as unwoke for many legitimate reasons but I think Friends was consistently funny for its entire 10 season run. Fantastic writing and not a few poignant narrative arcs. I happen to disagree with @BartholomewRoberts about the lesbian element as yes it was a gag at times but they were shown throughout as the smart, sensible ones in the face of Ross' mania.
    I would laugh at Friends, but it was the laughter of an irritated man.
    It was very American - shiny characters living implausibly shiny lives. Which is different to Father Ted*, rather than wrong per se, but still set me up to resent it.
    And I always saw it as something of a girls' sitcom. Again, not wrong to have girls' sitcoms, but didn't put me in the mood to enjoy it.
    And of the six main characters, three were highly irritating (the female ones). I know they were meant to be, but it didn't predispose you to spend 30 minutes with them.
    And yet - if despite all of that I found myself in front of it, I would have to concede it was very funny. The writing was consistently excellent. Just about every joke landed. The acting was excellent. It was very good indeed.
    It's very strange that it should be seen as unwoke, because in its day it felt very modern in content and tone (which probably also predisposed me to be irritated by it).

    *Father Ted! Why hasn't this been mentioned. My nomination for the funniest sitcom ever. I wonder, if Dermot Morgan had lived, whether the writers would have brought it to a satisfying narrative conclusion in the way that some other classics managed?
    Although I don't find Father Ted as funny as Black Books, which I think has also aged a lot better - it's only 5 years younger
    Which is funnier? That would be an ecumenical matter.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876

    On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    Coupling, written by the Dr Who bloke and superficially similar to Friends, was the best from that era imo.
    The scene from Coupling where he freaks out at a dinner party over the toilet door is one of the funniest bits of television I've seen.
    Tbh I do not remember that scene. Time to rewatch, perhaps.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,571
    Cookie said:

    On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    I rather liked TPOLAAPOC, but I've not come across anyone else before now who did. It was quite north-western humour and I'm not sure it necessarily travelled well.
    I liked it for several reasons; for one, it reminded me of my time at uni in London, when I'd do silly things with a bunch of non-students. The musical episode is particularly funny... ;)

    Including this classic (NSFW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUgjFDWLNc&list=PLYHyBc4ASMxI7_lG-A0akzKwX_uvN4S21&index=3
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I always remember that Boris story about how he thought it was very funny to direct one of his new, young colleagues at the Telegraph to the wrong airport , for her first assignment on a story, and thought that was all very amusing up to not offering an apology later.

    A performance and funny wheeze at other people's expense, with no particular awareness of anything moral.

    Oh get over yourself he isn't the first person to play a practical joke on someone or initiate someone in such a way.

    I believe there was some workplace where one of the workers put a colleague's stapler in some jelly for heaven's sake.
    It's not an initiation, more a kind of mockery unawares.

    I'm not sure what you find in his character that is particularly worth defending.
    As a PM? Precisely nothing. But he is entertaining as a columnist and I bet his columns will be fun to read and engaging. And yes he is a liar and a cheat and lazy and whatnot but that is priced in.
    Johnson is a poor writer. He is not particularly entertaining unless you like obvious, cheap, schoolboy slapstick journalism.
    I have in the past asked ChatGPT to write a column in the style of Boris Johnson and it does an extremely good impression. Daily Mail could have saved a fortune by just doing this.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I always remember that Boris story about how he thought it was very funny to direct one of his new, young colleagues at the Telegraph to the wrong airport , for her first assignment on a story, and thought that was all very amusing up to not offering an apology later.

    A performance and funny wheeze at other people's expense, with no particular awareness of anything moral.

    Oh get over yourself he isn't the first person to play a practical joke on someone or initiate someone in such a way.

    I believe there was some workplace where one of the workers put a colleague's stapler in some jelly for heaven's sake.
    It's not an initiation, more a kind of mockery unawares.

    I'm not sure what you find in his character that is particularly worth defending.
    As a PM? Precisely nothing. But he is entertaining as a columnist and I bet his columns will be fun to read and engaging. And yes he is a liar and a cheat and lazy and whatnot but that is priced in.
    Johnson is a poor writer. He is not particularly entertaining unless you like obvious, cheap, schoolboy slapstick journalism. Like these from the Telegraph.

    “It is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes” or,

    “It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies”.

    If you want a real fluency and musicality in your writing, look no further than Sports Correspondents. My favourite was the Observer's Hugh McIllvanney;

    "But our reactions are bound to be complicated by the knowledge that it was boxing that gave Johnny Owen his one positive means of self-expression. Outside the ring he was an inaudible and almost invisible personality. Inside, he became astonishingly positive and self-assured. He seemed to be more at home there than anywhere else. It is his tragedy that he found himself articulate in such a dangerous language".
    Son of Ayrshire and brother of the very fine novelist William McIlvanney btw.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    edited June 2023
    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    ohnotnow said:

    On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    I'm very fond of 'Nathan Barley', but I suspect I'm in quite a minority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Barley
    I'd forgotten Ben Wishaw was in it
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876
    Al & Rory interview John Major. The Rest is Politics.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H_hL1SS6fE
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Carnyx said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I always remember that Boris story about how he thought it was very funny to direct one of his new, young colleagues at the Telegraph to the wrong airport , for her first assignment on a story, and thought that was all very amusing up to not offering an apology later.

    A performance and funny wheeze at other people's expense, with no particular awareness of anything moral.

    Oh get over yourself he isn't the first person to play a practical joke on someone or initiate someone in such a way.

    I believe there was some workplace where one of the workers put a colleague's stapler in some jelly for heaven's sake.
    It's not an initiation, more a kind of mockery unawares.

    I'm not sure what you find in his character that is particularly worth defending.
    As a PM? Precisely nothing. But he is entertaining as a columnist and I bet his columns will be fun to read and engaging. And yes he is a liar and a cheat and lazy and whatnot but that is priced in.
    Johnson is a poor writer. He is not particularly entertaining unless you like obvious, cheap, schoolboy slapstick journalism. Like these from the Telegraph.

    “It is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes” or,

    “It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies”.

    If you want a real fluency and musicality in your writing, look no further than Sports Correspondents. My favourite was the Observer's Hugh McIllvanney;

    "But our reactions are bound to be complicated by the knowledge that it was boxing that gave Johnny Owen his one positive means of self-expression. Outside the ring he was an inaudible and almost invisible personality. Inside, he became astonishingly positive and self-assured. He seemed to be more at home there than anywhere else. It is his tragedy that he found himself articulate in such a dangerous language".
    Son of Ayrshire and brother of the very fine novelist William McIlvanney btw.
    Kilmarnock Academy's finest.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    What We Do In The Shadows is very silly, but makes me laugh.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876

    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?

    The Telegraph used to pay £250k. Assume they doubled that offer, and were outbid by the Mail, so I'd guess a cool million.
  • On the topic of sitcoms can I give a dishonourable mention to Hey Dad!

    Not sure if that took off in the UK? It was massive downunder when I lived there, like many shows had the issue of kids ageing out of the story. It finished incredibly bizarrely by everyone getting presumed killed by an exploding VCR bomb. But more disturbing was that it later turned out that the eponymous dad of the show was portrayed by a paedophile who was abusing his on-screen daughters while the show was being filmed.

    Can't imagine that show ever getting repeated on air anywhere anymore, no matter how it may have aged.

    Spaced and 'Two Pints of Lager' were excellent early-noughties sitcoms.

    The latter especially, as friends used to refer to myself and Mrs J as 'Gaz and Donna', as we both looked a little like them. And (ahem), acted like them at times...
    Coupling, written by the Dr Who bloke and superficially similar to Friends, was the best from that era imo.
    The scene from Coupling where he freaks out at a dinner party over the toilet door is one of the funniest bits of television I've seen.
    Tbh I do not remember that scene. Time to rewatch, perhaps.
    I haven't seen it in ages, will have to see if its on a streaming service I have for a rewatch too I think.

    The episode from memory is centred around the fact that she removed the lock from the toilet door, which really annoyed him, building up to this monologue.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IezFzsZwxwE

    While most sitcom humour is based upon absurd situations I think its the remarkable trivialness of this issue, combined with the total relatability of it that makes it so funny for me.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I always remember that Boris story about how he thought it was very funny to direct one of his new, young colleagues at the Telegraph to the wrong airport , for her first assignment on a story, and thought that was all very amusing up to not offering an apology later.

    A performance and funny wheeze at other people's expense, with no particular awareness of anything moral.

    Oh get over yourself he isn't the first person to play a practical joke on someone or initiate someone in such a way.

    I believe there was some workplace where one of the workers put a colleague's stapler in some jelly for heaven's sake.
    It's not an initiation, more a kind of mockery unawares.

    I'm not sure what you find in his character that is particularly worth defending.
    As a PM? Precisely nothing. But he is entertaining as a columnist and I bet his columns will be fun to read and engaging. And yes he is a liar and a cheat and lazy and whatnot but that is priced in.
    Johnson is a poor writer. He is not particularly entertaining unless you like obvious, cheap, schoolboy slapstick journalism.
    I have in the past asked ChatGPT to write a column in the style of Boris Johnson and it does an extremely good impression. Daily Mail could have saved a fortune by just doing this.
    Given Johnson's laziness, I think there's a fair chance they will in fact get the ChatGPT version.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    edited June 2023
    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,776
    Carnyx said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I always remember that Boris story about how he thought it was very funny to direct one of his new, young colleagues at the Telegraph to the wrong airport , for her first assignment on a story, and thought that was all very amusing up to not offering an apology later.

    A performance and funny wheeze at other people's expense, with no particular awareness of anything moral.

    Oh get over yourself he isn't the first person to play a practical joke on someone or initiate someone in such a way.

    I believe there was some workplace where one of the workers put a colleague's stapler in some jelly for heaven's sake.
    It's not an initiation, more a kind of mockery unawares.

    I'm not sure what you find in his character that is particularly worth defending.
    As a PM? Precisely nothing. But he is entertaining as a columnist and I bet his columns will be fun to read and engaging. And yes he is a liar and a cheat and lazy and whatnot but that is priced in.
    Johnson is a poor writer. He is not particularly entertaining unless you like obvious, cheap, schoolboy slapstick journalism. Like these from the Telegraph.

    “It is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes” or,

    “It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies”.

    If you want a real fluency and musicality in your writing, look no further than Sports Correspondents. My favourite was the Observer's Hugh McIllvanney;

    "But our reactions are bound to be complicated by the knowledge that it was boxing that gave Johnny Owen his one positive means of self-expression. Outside the ring he was an inaudible and almost invisible personality. Inside, he became astonishingly positive and self-assured. He seemed to be more at home there than anywhere else. It is his tragedy that he found himself articulate in such a dangerous language".
    Son of Ayrshire and brother of the very fine novelist William McIlvanney btw.
    I remember reading and enjoying Laidlaw in English at school.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    Cracking quote for DuraAce.

    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1669692408991236096
    "Only those deserve to be called Communists who understand that it is impossible to build or implement socialism without learning from the [corporate] trust founders"

    (Vladimir Lenin. On the Left-Wing Childishness. May 1918)

    ..."We, the party of the proletariat, have no other way of acquiring the ability to organise large-scale production ... except by acquiring it from the first-class capitalist experts"
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,776

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    The Mail is a successful commercial organisation and presumably knows their audience, but still one wonders what kind of eedjit would want to hear another word from Johnson.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited June 2023

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    edited June 2023

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    You would think Bad Al would have been finished after his time in government, now he is never off the bloody telly. I think Boris being Boris is still a draw for certain demographic, maybe more so, now that his musings are just that, musings.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    edited June 2023
    Father Ted, of course, won the award for Best Use of Radiohead in a TV Comedy Show.

    https://youtu.be/5-ManI1H9vA
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    He couldn't get paid ?

    Jim TRUSTY, who dropped off of Trump's criminal defense team last week, is now withdrawing from Trump's lawsuit against CNN, citing "irreconcilable differences" with his client.
    https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1669707102120558597
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,246
    Nigelb said:

    Cracking quote for DuraAce.

    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1669692408991236096
    "Only those deserve to be called Communists who understand that it is impossible to build or implement socialism without learning from the [corporate] trust founders"

    (Vladimir Lenin. On the Left-Wing Childishness. May 1918)

    ..."We, the party of the proletariat, have no other way of acquiring the ability to organise large-scale production ... except by acquiring it from the first-class capitalist experts"

    The later led directly to the Ukrainian Famine - the headlong drive for exports to pay for the (largely) American building of entire factory complexes on a vast scale.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    edited June 2023

    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?

    £100-200k
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    The Mail is a successful commercial organisation and presumably knows their audience, but still one wonders what kind of eedjit would want to hear another word from Johnson.
    Easy: A Mail reader.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,367
    Leon said:

    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?

    £100k
    and the rest - wasn't he on twice that at the Telegraph
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    edited June 2023

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Spineless Sunak won’t take a view on the privileges report . The excuses given are pathetic .
  • eekeek Posts: 28,367
    TalkTV
    @TalkTV
    ·
    13m
    BREAKING: Boris Johnson committed a “clear breach” of the rules by only informing the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments of becoming a columnist at the Daily Mail half an hour before the public announcement, the watchdog has said.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    Leon said:

    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?

    £100-200k
    He used to get £250k from Telegraph, I imagine its more than that, especially as Mail has a massive online footprint and I imagine they hope to get the likes of US clicking to read the "Eccentric" British posh bloke ramblings.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628
    Boris Johnson has committed a "clear breach" of the rules surrounding jobs outside parliament after only informing a key watchdog of his new Daily Mail column half an hour before it was publicly announced.

    Whitehall's anti-corruption watchdog said the former prime minister - who has vowed to offer uncensored views - had not sought its advice on the matter within an appropriate timeframe.

    Former ministers are meant to apply to the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (Acoba) before taking up a new appointment or role for up to two years after leaving government.

    An Acoba spokesperson said: "The Ministerial Code states that ministers must ensure that no new appointments are announced, or taken up, before the committee has been able to provide its advice.

    "An application received 30 mins before an appointment is announced is a clear breach.


    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-in-clear-breach-of-rules-after-daily-mail-job-announced-says-mp-watchdog-12903648
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876
    eek said:

    TalkTV
    @TalkTV
    ·
    13m
    BREAKING: Boris Johnson committed a “clear breach” of the rules by only informing the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments of becoming a columnist at the Daily Mail half an hour before the public announcement, the watchdog has said.

    Boris Johnson ... clear breach of the rules ... anyone else getting deja vu?
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited June 2023
    Nigelb said:

    He couldn't get paid ?

    Jim TRUSTY, who dropped off of Trump's criminal defense team last week, is now withdrawing from Trump's lawsuit against CNN, citing "irreconcilable differences" with his client.
    https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1669707102120558597

    When people lose lawyers like this, it isn't normally payment related.

    It's normally the case that the client wishes to pursue an argument that the lawyer doesn't just suspect but knows to be untrue. In those circumstances, it becomes impossible to reconcile the duty of candor to the court with duty to the client, and they have to withdraw.

    Of course, some lawyers would continue in those circumstances for the pay. But it's a pretty big professional ethics risk and, if you're caught out, career-ending.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Nigelb said:

    Cracking quote for DuraAce.

    https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1669692408991236096
    "Only those deserve to be called Communists who understand that it is impossible to build or implement socialism without learning from the [corporate] trust founders"

    (Vladimir Lenin. On the Left-Wing Childishness. May 1918)

    ..."We, the party of the proletariat, have no other way of acquiring the ability to organise large-scale production ... except by acquiring it from the first-class capitalist experts"

    ...and then making the proletariat do the same shitty jobs for the same shitty pay, while we get to enjoy the trappings of wealth.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    edited June 2023
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?

    £100k
    and the rest - wasn't he on twice that at the Telegraph
    I’ve revised my estimate to £100-200k

    He’s now an ex PM, at the other end of his career and influence; it’s only a short column, I don’t think he’ll get insane money (£1m is ridic)

    And I rightly predicted he would get many millions for the memoir

    But remember he could easily write for other papers as well (this doesn’t sound exclusive); he’ll be on TV; his speeches will make £££££

    He’s going to be earning 7 figures a year, so there’s no need for PB-ers to worry about Boris’ welfare, as they often do
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,639
    rcs1000 said:

    Father Ted, of course, won the award for Best Use of Radiohead in a TV Comedy Show.

    https://youtu.be/5-ManI1H9vA

    The FT theme tune was taken from a really rather lovely Divine Comedy song called Songs of Love, b-side to the splendid Something for the Weekend. Redolent of me enjoying TFI Friday, A levels, pints of John Smiths for £1.05 and twenty Regal for £3.50. Simpler times.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Leon said:

    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?

    £100-200k
    He used to get £250k from Telegraph, I imagine its more than that, especially as Mail has a massive online footprint and I imagine they hope to get the likes of US clicking to read the "Eccentric" British posh bloke ramblings.
    If they hope for that, they are deluded.

    Boris’s “writing” really doesn’t travel beyond a certain niche of British society, one that is largely ageing and provincial.

    He makes sense for the Telegraph, and perhaps even for the Mail, in terms of appealing to their existing audience, but not in attracting new ones and certainly none outside a rather claustrophobic culture which finds the word, “japes”, inherently amusing.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058

    eek said:

    TalkTV
    @TalkTV
    ·
    13m
    BREAKING: Boris Johnson committed a “clear breach” of the rules by only informing the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments of becoming a columnist at the Daily Mail half an hour before the public announcement, the watchdog has said.

    Boris Johnson ... clear breach of the rules ... anyone else getting deja vu?
    This sort of thing has happened in the past. ACOBA are toothless, so nothing will really happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628
    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987

    Boris Johnson has committed a "clear breach" of the rules surrounding jobs outside parliament after only informing a key watchdog of his new Daily Mail column half an hour before it was publicly announced.

    Whitehall's anti-corruption watchdog said the former prime minister - who has vowed to offer uncensored views - had not sought its advice on the matter within an appropriate timeframe.

    Former ministers are meant to apply to the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (Acoba) before taking up a new appointment or role for up to two years after leaving government.

    An Acoba spokesperson said: "The Ministerial Code states that ministers must ensure that no new appointments are announced, or taken up, before the committee has been able to provide its advice.

    "An application received 30 mins before an appointment is announced is a clear breach.


    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-in-clear-breach-of-rules-after-daily-mail-job-announced-says-mp-watchdog-12903648

    I must unequivocally declare that I have never, to the best of my knowledge, intentionally transgressed any regulations. It is my firm belief that an unfortunate entanglement occurred within the intricate labyrinth of the interweb pipes, leading to a regrettable predicament where my electronic correspondence failed to reach its intended recipients. This peculiar predicament reminds me of the inexplicable blockage that occasionally afflicts the drainage pipes of my esteemed colleague, Eric Pickles, particularly after indulging in a sumptuous evening repast.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    Motorway service stations and entertainment locations could also do with a prod.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).
    The Daily Mail is the most influential British newspaper in America because

    1. It’s huge online

    2. It’s brilliant at breaking stories and stirring up controversy

    It really isn’t “just gossip”. It IS good at gossip but it is good at much other stuff, too

    We should be proud of it. A great UK export
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Boris Johnson has committed a "clear breach" of the rules surrounding jobs outside parliament after only informing a key watchdog of his new Daily Mail column half an hour before it was publicly announced.

    Whitehall's anti-corruption watchdog said the former prime minister - who has vowed to offer uncensored views - had not sought its advice on the matter within an appropriate timeframe.

    Former ministers are meant to apply to the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (Acoba) before taking up a new appointment or role for up to two years after leaving government.

    An Acoba spokesperson said: "The Ministerial Code states that ministers must ensure that no new appointments are announced, or taken up, before the committee has been able to provide its advice.

    "An application received 30 mins before an appointment is announced is a clear breach.


    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-in-clear-breach-of-rules-after-daily-mail-job-announced-says-mp-watchdog-12903648

    Rules only apply to the little people.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    One of my rare opportunities to declare that I think railway stations should be in the hands of the relevant local authorities.

    They are critical contributors to a “sense of place”.
    Plus, notwithstanding various safety requirements etc, there’s enough doddering folks about who would love the chance to volunteer at the local station, in a not dissimilar way to the way they do at the National Trust.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628
    edited June 2023

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    Motorway service stations and entertainment locations could also do with a prod.
    I had to remortgage the house when the family and I went to the cinema to watch Transformers: Rise of the Beasts and we got some pick'n'mix and drinks.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,131
    edited June 2023
    He'll probably lob in weekly nuisances to Sunak, but it will only have much effect if the Tories really want to go down to an even greater defeat than otherwise.

    Who are the great Borisovian names, to revive him, except Rees-Mogg, Nadine and M'Lord Frosties ? There aren't really any, because he was a partly comical, partly Trumpite cult of personality.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    rcs1000 said:

    Father Ted, of course, won the award for Best Use of Radiohead in a TV Comedy Show.

    https://youtu.be/5-ManI1H9vA

    W1A? Or was that actually a documentary rather than a sitcom?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,185

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    These things are always reported as if the journalist has landed from Mars.

    amid fears amid fears

    'as' is the word they're looking for.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    edited June 2023

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261

    Leon said:

    How much do we reckon Bozza is getting for spaffing out 500-1000 words a week for the Daily Mail?

    £100-200k
    He used to get £250k from Telegraph, I imagine its more than that, especially as Mail has a massive online footprint and I imagine they hope to get the likes of US clicking to read the "Eccentric" British posh bloke ramblings.
    If they hope for that, they are deluded.

    Boris’s “writing” really doesn’t travel beyond a certain niche of British society, one that is largely ageing and provincial.

    He makes sense for the Telegraph, and perhaps even for the Mail, in terms of appealing to their existing audience, but not in attracting new ones and certainly none outside a rather claustrophobic culture which finds the word, “japes”, inherently amusing.
    I agree. I don’t think he’ll be a major pull for US readers. Which is one reason I don’t think he’s gonna be getting crazy money

    The mail doesn’t need him to do that. It’s online presence in America is huge

    Little known fact: the Sun is also fast and successfully expanding online in America (and worldwide). YouTube is one of their main portals

    British tabloids are good at what they do and they’re now - belatedly - mastering social media and the Net
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    No, they are profitable, the owners are just bust, hence LBG seized the assets.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    Scott_xP said:

    @LOS_Fisher
    👀 Boris Johnson is mulling over running as an independent for the London mayoralty next year, hears @CamCavendish

    Johnson’s spox declines to comment, so not ruling out…

    @jamesjohnson252
    11m
    Views of Boris Johnson amongst Londoners - @JLPartnersPolls

    Positive: 15%
    Negative: 67%

    Net score -52 (compared to -45 nationally)

    @robfordmancs

    That's an odd decision.

    He'd be better off trying to get back to Henley, or somewhere similarly congenial to him.
    Kyiv?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,876

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    That's been known for donkey's years. I doubt there's a London commuter who did not know you'd pay more at (say) M&S at Liverpool St than 200 yards down the road at Moorgate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    edited June 2023

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    No, they are profitable, the owners are just bust, hence LBG seized the assets.
    I didn't know they actually made money. Have they really managed to convert people to the online subscription model? I genuinely thought they were losing readers / money like basically every paper other than the Mail and (I think) the Times.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412

    This is going well.
    That was unlucky.
    It is a good job that England bat deep. We are here.

    Somethings never change.....Boris Johnson telling porkies and getting rewarded with an extremely well paid writing gig (so much for rise of the AI writers), and England collapso in the Ashes.
    I love a collapso - I like drinking the orangey melted bit at the bottom.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628
    The perils of working from home.

    A senior Goldman Sachs banker allegedly agreed a multimillion-dollar settlement with a more junior female employee after he accidentally sent her a sexually explicit clip.

    Adam Dell, 53, who is the brother of the billionaire computer tycoon Michael Dell, was recording himself for a work project while working remotely in 2020 but left the camera on by accident, according to Bloomberg.

    He is said to have sent the entire video file, including footage of explicit activity, to a junior colleague who subsequently hired a lawyer who sought $30 million for her, Bloomberg said. Dell agreed to a settlement for a lower amount, it alleged.

    The incident was said to have been so serious that it led to an internal review that involved David Solomon, the boss of the New York-based Goldman and one of the most powerful executives on Wall Street.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/goldman-sachs-banker-adam-dell-sent-explicit-tape-to-junior-colleague-d8bgjtsqk
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,274

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    Rishi's "destruction" is assured at the hands of the electorate in Election 24. Until then he'll remain PM as the Tories can't change leader again.

    Boris might use his column as a platform to try and get back into Parliament at the next election and/or another high profile job (London Mayoralty for example) or to generally cause trouble for whoever follows Rish as Con leader and LOTO.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Leon said:

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).
    The Daily Mail is the most influential British newspaper in America because

    1. It’s huge online

    2. It’s brilliant at breaking stories and stirring up controversy

    It really isn’t “just gossip”. It IS good at gossip but it is good at much other stuff, too

    We should be proud of it. A great UK export
    Have you been drinking again . So you’re proud of a paper that just peddles hate .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    This is going well.
    That was unlucky.
    It is a good job that England bat deep. We are here.

    Somethings never change.....Boris Johnson telling porkies and getting rewarded with an extremely well paid writing gig (so much for rise of the AI writers), and England collapso in the Ashes.
    I love a collapso - I like drinking the orangey melted bit at the bottom.
    Calippo?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,372

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    Motorway service stations and entertainment locations could also do with a prod.
    Airports too.

    It’s probably to recoup the cost of the charge for the space by the station/airport etc etc.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    No, they are profitable, the owners are just bust, hence LBG seized the assets.
    I didn't know they actually made money. Have they really managed to convert people to the online subscription model? I genuinely thought they were losing readers / money like basically every paper other than the Mail and (I think) the Times.
    Pre-tax profits at Telegraph Media Group were up by a third in 2021 as its subscription-first strategy continues to drive growth.

    Digital subscription revenues grew by 40% to £44.1m, which the company said was ahead of expectations. Overall revenue was up by 4% to £245m.

    The Telegraph introduced a subscription-first strategy several years ago and is targeting one million paying subscribers and ten million registered users by the end of 2023.

    The Telegraph first adopted an online paywall in 2013.

    The title reached 720,000 subscribers in December and has since topped 744,000 (made up of 577,720 digital and 167,000 print). Registered users were at seven million in December 2021, up from 6.6 million a year earlier.

    In a report of its financial results for the year ending December 2021, published on Wednesday, TMG said its pre-tax profits had reached £29.6m, up from £22m in 2020 and £6.2m in 2019.


    https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/telegraph-2021-profit/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
    I stand corrected. Who the bloody hell is subscribing to the Telegraph these days, its absolutely shit offering these days. Other than the genius Matt cartoon (which you can get for free), we were only saying the other week how clickbaity a lot of their articles are now and they lost most of their big name columnists.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412
    nico679 said:

    Leon said:

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).
    The Daily Mail is the most influential British newspaper in America because

    1. It’s huge online

    2. It’s brilliant at breaking stories and stirring up controversy

    It really isn’t “just gossip”. It IS good at gossip but it is good at much other stuff, too

    We should be proud of it. A great UK export
    Have you been drinking again . So you’re proud of a paper that just peddles hate .
    Using the slavery principle, it's the people that purchase the hate who should be blamed, not those who peddle it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    NB Quite a few British papers are now making healthy profits. The idea they are all in total and terminal decline is highly outdated. Multiple titles have mastered the digital output and the paywall (or the side boob of shame)

    This is a good thing. We have a healthy media ecosystem. The BBC being told to rein in its website has helped
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628

    Leon said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
    I stand corrected. Who the bloody hell is subscribing to the Telegraph these days, its absolutely shit offering these days. Other than the genius Matt cartoon (which you can get for free), we were only saying the other week how clickbaity a lot of their articles are now and they lost most of their big name columnists.
    They offered me a year long subscription for £29 which then became £19.

    Reluctantly I took the subscription for PB thread headers.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    GIN1138 said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    Rishi's "destruction" is assured at the hands of the electorate in Election 24. Until then he'll remain PM as the Tories can't change leader again.

    Boris might use his column as a platform to try and get back into Parliament at the next election and/or another high profile job (London Mayoralty for example) or to generally cause trouble for whoever follows Rish as Con leader and LOTO.
    Colour me naive, but I suspect the nation as a whole would just like him to **** off forever!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,372

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    The Mail is a successful commercial organisation and presumably knows their audience, but still one wonders what kind of eedjit would want to hear another word from Johnson.
    I’m sure to the Mail their money is as good as anyone else’s.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,185

    The perils of working from home.

    A senior Goldman Sachs banker allegedly agreed a multimillion-dollar settlement with a more junior female employee after he accidentally sent her a sexually explicit clip.

    Adam Dell, 53, who is the brother of the billionaire computer tycoon Michael Dell, was recording himself for a work project while working remotely in 2020 but left the camera on by accident, according to Bloomberg.

    He is said to have sent the entire video file, including footage of explicit activity, to a junior colleague who subsequently hired a lawyer who sought $30 million for her, Bloomberg said. Dell agreed to a settlement for a lower amount, it alleged.

    The incident was said to have been so serious that it led to an internal review that involved David Solomon, the boss of the New York-based Goldman and one of the most powerful executives on Wall Street.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/goldman-sachs-banker-adam-dell-sent-explicit-tape-to-junior-colleague-d8bgjtsqk

    Seems an enormous amount of money for what appears to be a likely honest fuck up.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412

    Leon said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
    I stand corrected. Who the bloody hell is subscribing to the Telegraph these days, its absolutely shit offering these days. Other than the genius Matt cartoon (which you can get for free), we were only saying the other week how clickbaity a lot of their articles are now and they lost most of their big name columnists.
    They offered me a year long subscription for £29 which then became £19.

    Reluctantly I took the subscription for PB thread headers.
    Is that for paper copies? You must be drowning in a broadsheet tsunami. I gave up the Spectator because I was finding the weekly mags too much.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261

    Leon said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
    I stand corrected. Who the bloody hell is subscribing to the Telegraph these days, its absolutely shit offering these days. Other than the genius Matt cartoon (which you can get for free), we were only saying the other week how clickbaity a lot of their articles are now and they lost most of their big name columnists.
    I subscribe to the digital edition. Coz it’s really cheap (if you catch one of their special offers) and they have just enough clicky articles that make me want to read

    I think I’m paying £2 a week. I probably read 20 telegraph articles a week. That’s 10p an article. That’s fine. I am happy to support journalism and I’m hardly being robbed in daylight
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,308

    Leon said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
    I stand corrected. Who the bloody hell is subscribing to the Telegraph these days, its absolutely shit offering these days. Other than the genius Matt cartoon (which you can get for free), we were only saying the other week how clickbaity a lot of their articles are now and they lost most of their big name columnists.
    Agreed. It is a broadsheet version of the Daily Express. I used to regularly read it, but I wouldn't trust any of it's reporting now
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,131
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).

    Not sure that Boris will really work as a columnist any more. His entire approach revolved around 'Oh Boris! Well said! Boris for prime minister!' For him to start putting the world to rights with his 'common sense' musings now would seem a hollow mockery.

    Boris has long been a hollow mockery.
    And the more you know about Boris, the more hollow he is.

    Luckily, the readers of the Daily Mail are as thick as pig-shit and have the memory of a brain damaged goldfish.
    One of the most read websites in the world...I don't think all of them are as you describe. A bit like the sidebar of shame, I imagine there are people who enjoy the word salad nonsense, safe in the knowledge its nonsense, in the same way when I worked in academia I used to chuckle how many people you would catch having a sneaky look at all the gossip on there (despite I imagine never agreeing with the news agenda).
    The Daily Mail is the most influential British newspaper in America because

    1. It’s huge online

    2. It’s brilliant at breaking stories and stirring up controversy

    It really isn’t “just gossip”. It IS good at gossip but it is good at much other stuff, too

    We should be proud of it. A great UK export
    The only time I've ever found the Mail useful was recently, when it's less frightened than other major outlets to report the UFO claims, partly because it's been less worried about its prestige. It was also good on the Stephen Lawrence scandal because his Dad had worked for Dacre, on one occasion.

    On the other hand, it's still mainly a steaming pile of toxic waste, alternately hypocritically prurient and hypocrtically moralistic, thoughtlessly reactionary and almost feudally obsequious, which is somehow incarnated in the backwardly Gothic script on its masthead.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628

    Leon said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
    I stand corrected. Who the bloody hell is subscribing to the Telegraph these days, its absolutely shit offering these days. Other than the genius Matt cartoon (which you can get for free), we were only saying the other week how clickbaity a lot of their articles are now and they lost most of their big name columnists.
    They offered me a year long subscription for £29 which then became £19.

    Reluctantly I took the subscription for PB thread headers.
    Is that for paper copies? You must be drowning in a broadsheet tsunami. I gave up the Spectator because I was finding the weekly mags too much.
    Digital subscription.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,372

    CatMan said:

    Cookie said:

    I thought the Two Ronnies were very funny.

    Comedy doesn't always age terribly well. I thought the Two Ronnies was funny in the 80s, but watching reruns it doesn't really work as well. No criticism of them - they are both funny men - but the material we find funny changes. I don't know why that should be so, but it does. It's not even that different generations find different things funny: things which are funny then are often just not funny now. Nothing to do with woke - just our collective tastes change. I guess something to do with humour being a defying of expectations; if you know the sort of thing to expect, maybe that takes away some of the humour.
    I still find them enjoyably clever sometimes, though (which is almost, but not quite, the same thing), like the Mastermind 'answering the previous question' specialist subject. And I find Ronnie Corbett's monologues funnier now than I did then.
    Monty Python, OTOH, I think has aged very well indeed and is almost as good now as it was back then.
    Dad’s Army is still good.
    (I think, I haven’t seen an episode in about 20 years).

    I saw an episode of It Ain’t Half Hot Mum about ten years ago and I thought it was actually pretty good, all things considered.

    Sitcoms date OK, the good ones anyway.
    It Ain't Half Hot Mum isn't as bad as Curry & Chips. My god that was...something else
    Sitcoms set in history hold up very well. Dad's Army is gentle humour, with affection for all of the cast. In real life you should hate the spiv, but here he's likeable. Mainwaring is a figure of fun, pompous, just assumes he should be in charge, but utterly brave and wants to do his duty. I have no doubt he would have given his life if required.

    In recent times Upstart Crow has mined the same period as Blackadder 2, but in a very different way. Blackadder could be a lot more cruel, whereas Upstart Crow rarely is. And Upstart Crow has had pathos too, with the death of the son.
    There was one episode, wasn't there, when the platoon believes the Germans have invaded and the platoon shoots at them from a couple of cottages (the joke being that Mainwaring and Wilson's sections are firing at each other) where Mainwaring, asking for volunteers to hold up the German army, says something like "it will mean the end for us, of course" or am I horribly misremembering?

    Or the film, when the platoon retakes the church hall? Of course, the whole set-up was that most of the Home Guard were veterans of earlier wars. Some of the actors too.
    There was a fab episode where they found out Godfrey was a conscientious objector in WW1 and the platoon, especially Mainwaring, gave him a really hard time about it. It turned out he was in the RAMC and won honours for rescuing people from No Mans Land which left Mainwaring somewhat embarrassed and Wilson feeling a little self satisfied at not being so judgemental.

    In real life Arnold Ridley had been a world war 1 soldier and a rather accomplished one too.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    GIN1138 said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    Rishi's "destruction" is assured at the hands of the electorate in Election 24. Until then he'll remain PM as the Tories can't change leader again.

    Boris might use his column as a platform to try and get back into Parliament at the next election and/or another high profile job (London Mayoralty for example) or to generally cause trouble for whoever follows Rish as Con leader and LOTO.
    I think any thought of Johnson returning as London Mayor is absolute fantasy. Remember, he somehow contrived to present himself as liberal and anti-xenophobic when he was mayor. Nobody's going to fall for that now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,987
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Will Boris primarily use his column as a platform from which to bring about Rishi's destruction? That's what we need to establish.

    The more important thing is will the Telegraph remain on team Boris now he's fucked off to the Mail?

    What's the point of pimping for the Mail's columnist?
    Haven't Telegraph got bigger worries at the moment i.e. they are bust and who will actually want to buy them.
    Completely wrong. The Telegraph is notably profitable (as is the Spectator). It’s the owners - the Barclay brothers - who have a dispute about debt with their bankers who are being forced to sell

    “Telegraph hits a record 740,000 subscribers as profits surge
    Telegraph Media Group continues transformation to
    a subscription-led digital business”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/05/25/telegraph-hits-record-740000-subscribers-profits-surge/
    I stand corrected. Who the bloody hell is subscribing to the Telegraph these days, its absolutely shit offering these days. Other than the genius Matt cartoon (which you can get for free), we were only saying the other week how clickbaity a lot of their articles are now and they lost most of their big name columnists.
    I subscribe to the digital edition. Coz it’s really cheap (if you catch one of their special offers) and they have just enough clicky articles that make me want to read

    I think I’m paying £2 a week. I probably read 20 telegraph articles a week. That’s 10p an article. That’s fine. I am happy to support journalism and I’m hardly being robbed in daylight
    I am fascinated that this actually ends up profitable for the Telegraph.

    The Athletic has basically the same "the price is never really the price" model, where you can always get your yearly sub for £10-20, and they were burning through venture capital money until they sold to NYT. The long term plan was always become the go to sports outlet, get everybody used to paying a bit for it, then charge £5-10 a month for it.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    Is it a role for government to make pasties cheaper at DeliCo???
  • eekeek Posts: 28,367
    Pulpstar said:

    The perils of working from home.

    A senior Goldman Sachs banker allegedly agreed a multimillion-dollar settlement with a more junior female employee after he accidentally sent her a sexually explicit clip.

    Adam Dell, 53, who is the brother of the billionaire computer tycoon Michael Dell, was recording himself for a work project while working remotely in 2020 but left the camera on by accident, according to Bloomberg.

    He is said to have sent the entire video file, including footage of explicit activity, to a junior colleague who subsequently hired a lawyer who sought $30 million for her, Bloomberg said. Dell agreed to a settlement for a lower amount, it alleged.

    The incident was said to have been so serious that it led to an internal review that involved David Solomon, the boss of the New York-based Goldman and one of the most powerful executives on Wall Street.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/goldman-sachs-banker-adam-dell-sent-explicit-tape-to-junior-colleague-d8bgjtsqk

    Seems an enormous amount of money for what appears to be a likely honest fuck up.
    Simple rule - don't do porn on anything even incredibly loosely connected to working..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,628

    Finally.

    Rip-off food and drink prices at railway stations are being investigated by regulators amid fears retailers are forcing passengers to pay extortionate amounts for everyday essentials.

    Rail passengers, already suffering after a year of disruption from strikes, are spending more than £1bn every year on everything from bottled water to burgers.

    The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said that “preliminary research and investigations” had identified significantly higher prices in stations compared to the high street.

    The regulator has now launched a full investigation into how passengers are paying over the odds.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/16/rail-station-prices-investigated-food-drink-ripoff/

    Is it a role for government to make pasties cheaper at DeliCo???
    Time for a pasty tax for these companies who exploit commuters?
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