Tom Watson doesn’t get a lot of love on here. But he was, for a decent time, Deputy Leader of the Opposition, and an MP for 20 years.
Wikipedia barely mentions his involvement in Operation Midland.
The whataboutery doesn’t seem proportionate, although of course it is coming from the usual suspects.
He destroyed the lives of honest people and for anyone to give him a pass is just wrong
The question is whether your constant invocation of his name is supposed to make us forgive or otherwise temper our condemnation of the utter sewer that is the Conservative Party.
You know exactly what you’re doing which is why I keep calling you up on it.
Shame on you even attempting to dilute Watson's behavior
And if you read my post I am highly critical of Johnson's list
I'm left wondering whether, as a peer, Shaun Bailey is now unable to run for the London Mayoralty. I'm not sure he'd be a leading contender despite his decent effort last time with the likes of Paul Scully perhaps seeing a chance to have a little influence in what may become a bleak era for the Conservatives.
As to Mid Bedfordshire, Helen Morgan won North Shropshire for the LDs starting on 10% (with the Conservative on 63%) and won with a 34% swing. In Tiverton & Honiton, Richard Foord started on 15% with the Conservative on 60% and won with a 30% swing.
In Mid Bedfordshire, the LDs start on 13% with the Conservatives on 60% so it's certainly comparable to both North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton - a 30% swing would be more than adequate.
I suspect the Conservatives will try to call the contest quickly before the opposition parties get started.
Much of the Mid Bedfordshire constituency is (not surprisingly) in the boundaries of Central Bedfordshire District Council where the Conservatives lost half their seats last month going from 41 to 20. The LDs advanced from 3 to 10 but the big winners were Independents who went from 13 to 27 on just under 33% of the poll. The Conservatives polled 26%, Labour 19% and the LDs 15%.
It's worth noting the LD gains were around Leighton Buzzard which is in the SW Bedfordshire constituency while Labour's strength is around Dunstable (ditto). The seats in the constituency were split between the Independents and the Conservatives - the Independents formed a minority administration with their group leader elected unopposed as Council Leader at the AGM.
I continue to defend the House of Lords, although it’s becoming increasingly difficult to do so.
The practice of having any PM involvement in peerages needs to be scrapped asap.
Agree. Reform not abolish. An elected 2nd chamber would be awful. if you picked just the best 200 or so of the present lot it would be pretty good as an advising/revising/amending/reporting body.
The good ones wouldn't stand for election.
Evening all.
Well, I agree with both of you. And we should start now by cancelling the entire Boris list.
I'll explain where I've been for 3 weeks at some point over the w/e. Let's just say I've been conducting a close study of the inside of an NHS Trust rated Outstanding, and I've never had the experience of going more or less straight from the GP into hospital with only the clothes I was standing up in before.
Suspect I have also caused a downtick in the East Midlands stocks of iv antibiotics because I could not be dealt with surgically; I've never seen so much before.
I continue to defend the House of Lords, although it’s becoming increasingly difficult to do so.
The practice of having any PM involvement in peerages needs to be scrapped asap.
Agree. Reform not abolish. An elected 2nd chamber would be awful. if you picked just the best 200 or so of the present lot it would be pretty good as an advising/revising/amending/reporting body.
The good ones wouldn't stand for election.
Evening all.
Well, I agree with both of you. And we should start now by cancelling the entire Boris list.
I'll explain where I've been for 3 weeks at some point over the w/e. Let's just say I've been conducting a close study of the inside of an NHS Trust rated Outstanding, and I've never had the experience of going more or less straight from the GP into hospital with only the clothes I was standing up in before.
Suspect I have also caused a downtick in the East Midlands stocks of iv antibiotics because I could not be dealt with surgically; I've never seen so much before.
These do seem to be the crown jewels of secrets: not just the capabilities of the US and its allies, but the planned responses to attack as well.
I've been trying to glean a motive from Trump beyond what seems to have been his childish insistence that anything he put in a box was 'his' property, even if it was government intelligence, and as such how dare anyone come for it, but half way through so far that really does seem to be it.
As DavidL noted about the weirdness of US indictments, and I think like the NY case, they've basically charged for each document .
Being trans doesn't affect anyone else either, when it comes to pronouns etc, but does when it comes to safeguarding. When it comes to safeguarding, there needs to be a sensible balance of risk, that's what safeguarding is all about.
I'm just curious. Can anyone point to a case where a criminal offence has been facilitated (in any practical way) by the perpetrator claiming to be trans?
Thanks. So that was a case of someone claiming to be trans being transferred to a women's prison and then sexually assaulting female prisoners.
I wonder - are there any cases outside the prison system? As women's toilets loom so large in the online discussion, are there any cases involving women's toilets?
I'll repost this on the new thread, as I'd be genuinely interested to know the answer.
There is the recent case of the transgender butcher in Scotland - Andrew Miller. His female name was Amy George. He pleaded guilty - under his male name/identity - to the abduction and sexual assault of a girl under the age of 13 (he locked her up in the house where he assaulted her over 27 hours), watching pornography in her presence and possession of 242 indecent images of children. He abducted and assaulted her while dressed as a woman.
The evidence before the court was that the girl went him because she felt safe with someone she believed to be a woman.
He was also an outspoken supporter of Scotland's proposed self-ID laws.
The indictment: Trump was PERSONALLY INVOLVED in packing boxes at the White House — and in early 2021 had some classified documents stored on a ballroom stage, then stored in a bathroom and a shower.
The Lib Dems must be saying " We love Nadine". She has given the party a great chance whether the by election is held in July or October. If I were Central Office I would go for July, get it out of the way as quickly as possible, the sooner the Lib Dems win, the sooner the result will be forgotten.
And the “help in the Mid Beds by-election” email from LibDem HQ has just landed…
“just” is doing some heavy lifting in ” The Conservatives had a majority of just 24,664 here…”
Indeed, but how extraordinary that the Billy Bunters are anticpating a close run thing.
Significance of the reference to Master Bunter of the Remove, please?
I continue to defend the House of Lords, although it’s becoming increasingly difficult to do so.
The practice of having any PM involvement in peerages needs to be scrapped asap.
Agree. Reform not abolish. An elected 2nd chamber would be awful. if you picked just the best 200 or so of the present lot it would be pretty good as an advising/revising/amending/reporting body.
The good ones wouldn't stand for election.
Evening all.
Well, I agree with both of you. And we should start now by cancelling the entire Boris list.
I'll explain where I've been for 3 weeks at some point over the w/e. Let's just say I've been conducting a close study of the inside of an NHS Trust rated Outstanding, and I've never had the experience of going more or less straight from the GP into hospital with only the clothes I was standing up in before.
Suspect I have also caused a downtick in the East Midlands stocks of iv antibiotics because I could not be dealt with surgically; I've never seen so much before.
Yes, I'm OK.
Ooh, sounds nasty. Hope my colleagues looked after you well.
Tom Watson doesn’t get a lot of love on here. But he was, for a decent time, Deputy Leader of the Opposition, and an MP for 20 years.
Wikipedia barely mentions his involvement in Operation Midland.
The whataboutery doesn’t seem proportionate, although of course it is coming from the usual suspects.
He destroyed the lives of honest people and for anyone to give him a pass is just wrong
I despise Tom Watson. I mean, is there a word for deeper detestation than 'despise' ?
Watson used child abuse as a political tool, and sullied the names of innocent men.
He should be in jail.
And yet @Gardenwalker attempts to minimise his involvement in the destruction of these lives
It ill behoves Conservative supporters to try and make too much of Mr Watson for party political reasons. He didn't give Jimmy Savile invites to No 10 and the keys to the hospitals.
If Nads thought the seat could be won do you think she’d have forced a by-election? Possibly but leaving and being replaced by someone more pliant does not seem that great as revenge.
“Mr. Trump brought these charges upon himself by not only taking classified documents, but by refusing to simply return them when given numerous opportunities to do so.
These allegations are serious and if proven, would be consistent with his other actions offensive to the national interest, such as withholding defensive weapons from Ukraine for political reasons and failing to defend the Capitol from violent attack and insurrection.” https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1667182301069955076
He's a class act
Might also be an Endangered Species in the great Beehive State of Utah.
I'm left wondering whether, as a peer, Shaun Bailey is now unable to run for the London Mayoralty. I'm not sure he'd be a leading contender despite his decent effort last time with the likes of Paul Scully perhaps seeing a chance to have a little influence in what may become a bleak era for the Conservatives.
As to Mid Bedfordshire, Helen Morgan won North Shropshire for the LDs starting on 10% (with the Conservative on 63%) and won with a 34% swing. In Tiverton & Honiton, Richard Foord started on 15% with the Conservative on 60% and won with a 30% swing.
In Mid Bedfordshire, the LDs start on 13% with the Conservatives on 60% so it's certainly comparable to both North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton - a 30% swing would be more than adequate.
I suspect the Conservatives will try to call the contest quickly before the opposition parties get started.
Much of the Mid Bedfordshire constituency is (not surprisingly) in the boundaries of Central Bedfordshire District Council where the Conservatives lost half their seats last month going from 41 to 20. The LDs advanced from 3 to 10 but the big winners were Independents who went from 13 to 27 on just under 33% of the poll. The Conservatives polled 26%, Labour 19% and the LDs 15%.
It's worth noting the LD gains were around Leighton Buzzard which is in the SW Bedfordshire constituency while Labour's strength is around Dunstable (ditto). The seats in the constituency were split between the Independents and the Conservatives - the Independents formed a minority administration with their group leader elected unopposed as Council Leader at the AGM.
There’s nothing stopping Bailey doing so AFAIU. Before he got banged up, Lord Archer’s great wheeze was to run in the first race after the post was established.
I'm left wondering whether, as a peer, Shaun Bailey is now unable to run for the London Mayoralty. I'm not sure he'd be a leading contender despite his decent effort last time with the likes of Paul Scully perhaps seeing a chance to have a little influence in what may become a bleak era for the Conservatives.
As to Mid Bedfordshire, Helen Morgan won North Shropshire for the LDs starting on 10% (with the Conservative on 63%) and won with a 34% swing. In Tiverton & Honiton, Richard Foord started on 15% with the Conservative on 60% and won with a 30% swing.
In Mid Bedfordshire, the LDs start on 13% with the Conservatives on 60% so it's certainly comparable to both North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton - a 30% swing would be more than adequate.
I suspect the Conservatives will try to call the contest quickly before the opposition parties get started.
Much of the Mid Bedfordshire constituency is (not surprisingly) in the boundaries of Central Bedfordshire District Council where the Conservatives lost half their seats last month going from 41 to 20. The LDs advanced from 3 to 10 but the big winners were Independents who went from 13 to 27 on just under 33% of the poll. The Conservatives polled 26%, Labour 19% and the LDs 15%.
It's worth noting the LD gains were around Leighton Buzzard which is in the SW Bedfordshire constituency while Labour's strength is around Dunstable (ditto). The seats in the constituency were split between the Independents and the Conservatives - the Independents formed a minority administration with their group leader elected unopposed as Council Leader at the AGM.
Under the radar but just as significant for the outcome of the GE was yesterday's news from another seat nearby where the MP is stepping down. Will Quince is stepping down as Conservative MP for Colchester at the GE.
Not a simple pick up in a blue wall seat for Labour with a 9% swing required, but still well in play, the Conservatives starting with only 50%. The loss of any incumbency benefit to the Conservatives could well make all the difference if polling tightens.
FWIW, based on the latest Southern "blue wall" R&W polling (Colchester is one of the 42 seats so defined), the GE result would be Con 31%, Lab 47%, L 12%, Green 7%, Reform 5% on UNS on the old boundaries. That would be the first Labour parliamentary win in Colchester since 1945. Don't know how boundary changes would impact. Tactical voting potential to help Labour beyond UNS.
Tom Watson doesn’t get a lot of love on here. But he was, for a decent time, Deputy Leader of the Opposition, and an MP for 20 years.
Wikipedia barely mentions his involvement in Operation Midland.
The whataboutery doesn’t seem proportionate, although of course it is coming from the usual suspects.
His actions facilitated a gross injustice to be perpetrated on innocent victims, some of whom died before their innocence was finally confirmed and one of whom lost his home as a job. He allowed a child abuser to go unpunished for longer than he should have and to make utterly groundless and horrible accusations. He sought to manipulate the criminal justice system and the police for political ends. His apology was wholly unequal to what he did. For an ex-DPP, of all people, to nominate him to the Lords was a disgrace.
Tom Watson doesn’t get a lot of love on here. But he was, for a decent time, Deputy Leader of the Opposition, and an MP for 20 years.
Wikipedia barely mentions his involvement in Operation Midland.
The whataboutery doesn’t seem proportionate, although of course it is coming from the usual suspects.
He destroyed the lives of honest people and for anyone to give him a pass is just wrong
I despise Tom Watson. I mean, is there a word for deeper detestation than 'despise' ?
Watson used child abuse as a political tool, and sullied the names of innocent men.
He should be in jail.
And yet @Gardenwalker attempts to minimise his involvement in the destruction of these lives
It ill behoves Conservative supporters to try and make too much of Mr Watson for party political reasons. He didn't give Jimmy Savile invites to No 10 and the keys to the hospitals.
The indictment: Trump was PERSONALLY INVOLVED in packing boxes at the White House — and in early 2021 had some classified documents stored on a ballroom stage, then stored in a bathroom and a shower.
Tom Watson doesn’t get a lot of love on here. But he was, for a decent time, Deputy Leader of the Opposition, and an MP for 20 years.
Wikipedia barely mentions his involvement in Operation Midland.
The whataboutery doesn’t seem proportionate, although of course it is coming from the usual suspects.
He destroyed the lives of honest people and for anyone to give him a pass is just wrong
The question is whether your constant invocation of his name is supposed to make us forgive or otherwise temper our condemnation of the utter sewer that is the Conservative Party.
You know exactly what you’re doing which is why I keep calling you up on it.
Shame on you even attempting to dilute Watson's behavior
And if you read my post I am highly critical of Johnson's list
Sorry, where am I diluting Watson’s behaviour? Or is this just more whataboutery, false moral equivalence, and attempts at cancellation from PB’s pre-eminent pearl-clutcher?
I thought she actually did a reasonable job as health minister during the pandemic and was one of the more sensible members of the government at that time.
It's a brave strategy. Blocking her elevation to avoid a by-election was never going to happen - they would have had to have been completely stupid not to predict her response. Whilst I don't discount that possibility, surely there's some '5d chess' going on somewhere that we don't see.
The problem with the Trump charges is that they lack an obviously malign motive.
It’s all a bit “getting Capone on VAT fraud”.
Well there are parallels. Certainly Trump seems to be every bit as malign an individual as Al Capone was. And Robert de Niro reminds me of Trump whenever I watch "The Untouchables".
On thread, is there any polling on what proportion of FLORIDA Republicans don’t care if their president is a convicted felon? Because they do care about denying convicted felons the right to vote, even where the conviction is for the flimsiest misdemeanour imaginable.
Boris needs Farage to come back and be polling over 10% before the blancmange-like PCP run back to him to save them from electoral wipeout. At the moment they're clinging to the fast-fading hope that Sunak will become slightly less shit before the GE.
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And if you read my post I am highly critical of Johnson's list
I'm left wondering whether, as a peer, Shaun Bailey is now unable to run for the London Mayoralty. I'm not sure he'd be a leading contender despite his decent effort last time with the likes of Paul Scully perhaps seeing a chance to have a little influence in what may become a bleak era for the Conservatives.
As to Mid Bedfordshire, Helen Morgan won North Shropshire for the LDs starting on 10% (with the Conservative on 63%) and won with a 34% swing. In Tiverton & Honiton, Richard Foord started on 15% with the Conservative on 60% and won with a 30% swing.
In Mid Bedfordshire, the LDs start on 13% with the Conservatives on 60% so it's certainly comparable to both North Shropshire and Tiverton & Honiton - a 30% swing would be more than adequate.
I suspect the Conservatives will try to call the contest quickly before the opposition parties get started.
Much of the Mid Bedfordshire constituency is (not surprisingly) in the boundaries of Central Bedfordshire District Council where the Conservatives lost half their seats last month going from 41 to 20. The LDs advanced from 3 to 10 but the big winners were Independents who went from 13 to 27 on just under 33% of the poll. The Conservatives polled 26%, Labour 19% and the LDs 15%.
It's worth noting the LD gains were around Leighton Buzzard which is in the SW Bedfordshire constituency while Labour's strength is around Dunstable (ditto). The seats in the constituency were split between the Independents and the Conservatives - the Independents formed a minority administration with their group leader elected unopposed as Council Leader at the AGM.
Well, I agree with both of you. And we should start now by cancelling the entire Boris list.
I'll explain where I've been for 3 weeks at some point over the w/e. Let's just say I've been conducting a close study of the inside of an NHS Trust rated Outstanding, and I've never had the experience of going more or less straight from the GP into hospital with only the clothes I was standing up in before.
Suspect I have also caused a downtick in the East Midlands stocks of iv antibiotics because I could not be dealt with surgically; I've never seen so much before.
Yes, I'm OK.
As DavidL noted about the weirdness of US indictments, and I think like the NY case, they've basically charged for each document .
The evidence before the court was that the girl went him because she felt safe with someone she believed to be a woman.
He was also an outspoken supporter of Scotland's proposed self-ID laws.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/andrew-miller-transgender-butcher-pleads-guilty-to-abducting-and-sexually-assaulting-schoolgirl-while-dressed-as-woman-in-scottish-borders-4147364
Ben Houchen?
FFS!!
The Dishonours List
Not a simple pick up in a blue wall seat for Labour with a 9% swing required, but still well in play, the Conservatives starting with only 50%. The loss of any incumbency benefit to the Conservatives could well make all the difference if polling tightens.
FWIW, based on the latest Southern "blue wall" R&W polling (Colchester is one of the 42 seats so defined), the GE result would be Con 31%, Lab 47%, L 12%, Green 7%, Reform 5% on UNS on the old boundaries. That would be the first Labour parliamentary win in Colchester since 1945. Don't know how boundary changes would impact. Tactical voting potential to help Labour beyond UNS.
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Seems Labour supporters are very techy when it comes to Watson
Or is this just more whataboutery, false moral equivalence, and attempts at cancellation from PB’s pre-eminent pearl-clutcher?
It’s all a bit “getting Capone on VAT fraud”.
“Andrea, this makes you sound like a retard”.