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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    Penalties in the play-off: 2-2 so far
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Omnium said:

    Eco loons disrupted my rugby match

    I hope the team you support has a somewhat more robust attitude.
    They lost.

    But what was the point? What did the loons achieve?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    The report warns that the Tory “brand lies in tatters” among millennials, 72 per cent of whom thought the country was “going in the wrong direction”. The top five attributes they associated with the Tories were all negative. Only 8 per cent thought the Conservatives “stand up for people like me” and 31 per cent thought they were “dishonest”.

    In the focus groups in Stourbridge and Basingstoke multiple voters described the Tories as “liars” and “incompetent”. One parent in Basingstoke said they stood for: “Keep the rich, rich and the poor, poor.”

    By contrast, their top six views of Labour were positive — including “stands up for people like me”, “relatable” and “has a vision for a country”. The highest positive Tory attribute was “strong”, cited by 12 per cent of millennials, but even there Labour beat them with 15 per cent.

    When asked why they would not vote Conservative, 26 per cent of millennials said “they cannot be trusted to manage the economy”, compared with 22 per cent of non-millennials and only 17 per cent of over-65s. The report concludes: “The market shock” caused by Liz Truss’s 2022 mini-budget “has undermined one of the traditional strengths of the Conservative brand”.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,443
    edited May 2023
    Scott_xP said:

    @Gabriel_Pogrund
    EXCL: Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson have made contact about a private phone call this week — as Tory civil war threatens to explode again

    Johnson intends to raise honours list. PM insists the topic is off the table; neither has agreed to time or date yet

    More in tomorrow's ST

    https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1662507960260521986

    Is that it? They've had a phone call about having a phone call but they can't agree why? And why does the honours list matter? ETA I'd need more than that to rush out and buy the ST.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    The report warns that the Tory “brand lies in tatters” among millennials, 72 per cent of whom thought the country was “going in the wrong direction”. The top five attributes they associated with the Tories were all negative. Only 8 per cent thought the Conservatives “stand up for people like me” and 31 per cent thought they were “dishonest”.

    In the focus groups in Stourbridge and Basingstoke multiple voters described the Tories as “liars” and “incompetent”. One parent in Basingstoke said they stood for: “Keep the rich, rich and the poor, poor.”

    By contrast, their top six views of Labour were positive — including “stands up for people like me”, “relatable” and “has a vision for a country”. The highest positive Tory attribute was “strong”, cited by 12 per cent of millennials, but even there Labour beat them with 15 per cent.

    When asked why they would not vote Conservative, 26 per cent of millennials said “they cannot be trusted to manage the economy”, compared with 22 per cent of non-millennials and only 17 per cent of over-65s. The report concludes: “The market shock” caused by Liz Truss’s 2022 mini-budget “has undermined one of the traditional strengths of the Conservative brand”.

    I am young. Can confirm the Tories are irrelevant to my age cohort.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes
    The Tories are facing an “electoral timebomb” because Millennial voters regard the Conservatives as “dishonest”, “incompetent” and “out of touch” — according to a new report this week which will make grim reading in Downing Street

    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1662519033172992000

    Shock, horror. I’ve not seen anything from the Tories that shows they understand anyone below the age of 60
    They don't. We are all communist remainer lazy scum.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    Penalties in the play-off: 2-2 so far

    5-5 now - sudden death!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    edited May 2023
    My touch has returned today.

    Cannot wait for the Super League clubs to visit here next season.


  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319
    edited May 2023
    Can anyone point to a Rishi Sunak policy?
    The cupboard is bare.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes
    The Tories are facing an “electoral timebomb” because Millennial voters regard the Conservatives as “dishonest”, “incompetent” and “out of touch” — according to a new report this week which will make grim reading in Downing Street

    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1662519033172992000

    Shock, horror. I’ve not seen anything from the Tories that shows they understand anyone below the age of 60
    They don't. We are all communist remainer lazy scum.
    Even worse - you might be working from home. The horror!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987

    The Tories are facing an “electoral timebomb” because millennial voters regard them as dishonest, incompetent and out of touch, according to a report this week.

    The report, by the Onward think tank, says they are the first generation that has not become more conservative as they have got older.

    This is significant because millennials, which the report classes as aged 25 to 40, are already the most numerous single demographic group in 51 per cent of parliamentary seats, outnumbering the older Generation X (aged 41-55) and baby boomers (56-70) and the younger Generation Z (aged 18-24). They outnumber Generation X in two thirds of seats. The report’s age boundaries depart from most definitions, which make baby boomers aged about 59-77; Gen X 42-58; millennials 27-41 and Gen Z 10-26.

    “Millennials are the first demographic cohort not to become more right-wing as they age,” says the report, entitled Missing millennials: why the Conservatives lost a generation, and how to win them back.

    “They are failing to acquire many of the attributes that have traditionally moved voters rightwards: home ownership, secure and stable employment, starting families. Without a stake in society, their political preferences are trending in the opposite direction. In fact, they are the first generation to become more left-wing as they age.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ef8c5318-fc90-11ed-aa31-73394e195d29?shareToken=c18ee3069b28b527388b9c45f59a8af4

    Yet in 2019 the Tories won over 39s in 1997 the Tories even lost over 65s
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    Coventry miss!

    Luton win 6-5 on penalties and are promoted!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,319

    The report warns that the Tory “brand lies in tatters” among millennials, 72 per cent of whom thought the country was “going in the wrong direction”. The top five attributes they associated with the Tories were all negative. Only 8 per cent thought the Conservatives “stand up for people like me” and 31 per cent thought they were “dishonest”.

    In the focus groups in Stourbridge and Basingstoke multiple voters described the Tories as “liars” and “incompetent”. One parent in Basingstoke said they stood for: “Keep the rich, rich and the poor, poor.”

    By contrast, their top six views of Labour were positive — including “stands up for people like me”, “relatable” and “has a vision for a country”. The highest positive Tory attribute was “strong”, cited by 12 per cent of millennials, but even there Labour beat them with 15 per cent.

    When asked why they would not vote Conservative, 26 per cent of millennials said “they cannot be trusted to manage the economy”, compared with 22 per cent of non-millennials and only 17 per cent of over-65s. The report concludes: “The market shock” caused by Liz Truss’s 2022 mini-budget “has undermined one of the traditional strengths of the Conservative brand”.

    I am young. Can confirm the Tories are irrelevant to my age cohort.
    Irrelevant to anyone much under the age of 70.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281

    Scott_xP said:

    @thetimes
    The Tories are facing an “electoral timebomb” because Millennial voters regard the Conservatives as “dishonest”, “incompetent” and “out of touch” — according to a new report this week which will make grim reading in Downing Street

    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1662519033172992000

    Shock, horror. I’ve not seen anything from the Tories that shows they understand anyone below the age of 60
    Hey, I’m over 60.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049

    Eco loons disrupted my rugby match

    Yes, the press report said they were jeered and had beer thrown on them.

    I somehow don’t think it was beer.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    HYUFD said:

    The Tories are facing an “electoral timebomb” because millennial voters regard them as dishonest, incompetent and out of touch, according to a report this week.

    The report, by the Onward think tank, says they are the first generation that has not become more conservative as they have got older.

    This is significant because millennials, which the report classes as aged 25 to 40, are already the most numerous single demographic group in 51 per cent of parliamentary seats, outnumbering the older Generation X (aged 41-55) and baby boomers (56-70) and the younger Generation Z (aged 18-24). They outnumber Generation X in two thirds of seats. The report’s age boundaries depart from most definitions, which make baby boomers aged about 59-77; Gen X 42-58; millennials 27-41 and Gen Z 10-26.

    “Millennials are the first demographic cohort not to become more right-wing as they age,” says the report, entitled Missing millennials: why the Conservatives lost a generation, and how to win them back.

    “They are failing to acquire many of the attributes that have traditionally moved voters rightwards: home ownership, secure and stable employment, starting families. Without a stake in society, their political preferences are trending in the opposite direction. In fact, they are the first generation to become more left-wing as they age.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ef8c5318-fc90-11ed-aa31-73394e195d29?shareToken=c18ee3069b28b527388b9c45f59a8af4

    Yet in 2019 the Tories won over 39s in 1997 the Tories even lost over 65s
    Er, that was four years ago...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679
    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    My touch has returned today.

    Cannot wait for the Super League clubs to visit here next season.


    You backed Luton, result was a draw for betting purposes
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,478
    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    It's not indefensible, unless they don't have a goalkeeper.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246

    Can anyone point to a Rishi Sunak policy?
    The cupboard is bare.

    Sunak is in favour of laissez faire. Not having any policies is presumably his policy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Pulpstar said:

    My touch has returned today.

    Cannot wait for the Super League clubs to visit here next season.


    You backed Luton, result was a draw for betting purposes
    Yup.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    Who is in the prem if Luton fail to develop their ground ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    We've got a looming constitutional crisis coming up thanks to our unelected head of state.

    Will the first King’s speech delivered by Charles include meaningful bills for change - or legislative proposals about the unions and gender equality designed to put Labour on the spot.

    And will Buckingham Palace go along with such a political act?




    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1662470246622547971/photo/1

    Tories will have turning the country into a republic in their 2029 manifesto.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    Pulpstar said:

    Who is in the prem if Luton fail to develop their ground ?

    Cov presumably
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106

    Tories will have turning the country into a republic in their 2029 manifesto.

    Both my Irish and American colleagues were moaning about us getting our 3rd holiday in 1 month, including for the Coronation.

    I pointed out that both of them could have kept the King and had the day off...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    We've got a looming constitutional crisis coming up thanks to our unelected head of state.

    Will the first King’s speech delivered by Charles include meaningful bills for change - or legislative proposals about the unions and gender equality designed to put Labour on the spot.

    And will Buckingham Palace go along with such a political act?




    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1662470246622547971/photo/1

    Tories will have turning the country into a republic in their 2029 manifesto.

    He will do what he is told. As he should. The job no longer comes with the right to have a public opinion.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    stodge said:

    A question I posed to someone earlier today.

    When was the last time a UK general election coincided with a US Presidential election? I'm talking about within one month of each other.

    This is the scenario we may find ourselves in next year.

    1964. 19 days apart.

    Discussed this issue earlier on this year

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/01/can-you-cope-with-two-massive-elections-at-the-same-time/
    1924 was even closer. The UK voted on Wednesday October 29th, the US on the following Tuesday, November 4th.

    For 2024, the equivalent dates would be Thursday October 31st and Tuesday November 5th.

    24/10/24 for the next UK General Election? Any thoughts?
    No. Thanks to base effects from August 23 to June 24 the energy element of inflation within the CPI will be negative, barring a wholly unexpected resurgence in energy prices. Those base effects disappear in the July 24 CPI, announced in late August 24, so thanks to energy costs there will be a significant spike in inflation from then that will last for the rest of the year. Sunak will be desperate to get the GE in before August 24.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Pulpstar said:

    Who is in the prem if Luton fail to develop their ground ?

    Argument I read the other day was that it would be the club that finished 18th in the Premier League this season.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,820
    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    Its sport , its supposed to have drama, failure and victory - deal with it
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    That's not going to work.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,820
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    there are a lot of bad things in this world that need fixing and are inhumane but penalty shoot outs are not inhumane
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,871
    ...

    Can anyone point to a Rishi Sunak policy?
    The cupboard is bare.

    There's the 'energy security' bill that will add £118 of green levies to everyone's yearly bill, so that's nice.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    That's not going to work.
    Well nor does this imo. NB, Luton would still have won under my system, I think.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354

    Pulpstar said:

    Who is in the prem if Luton fail to develop their ground ?

    Argument I read the other day was that it would be the club that finished 18th in the Premier League this season.
    If it's Leeds count me in for the crowdfunder.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    That's not going to work.
    Well nor does this imo. NB, Luton would still have won under my system, I think.
    Yep they were very very slightly better
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,916
    stodge said:

    A question I posed to someone earlier today.

    When was the last time a UK general election coincided with a US Presidential election? I'm talking about within one month of each other.

    This is the scenario we may find ourselves in next year.

    1964. 19 days apart.

    Discussed this issue earlier on this year

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/01/can-you-cope-with-two-massive-elections-at-the-same-time/
    1924 was even closer. The UK voted on Wednesday October 29th, the US on the following Tuesday, November 4th.

    For 2024, the equivalent dates would be Thursday October 31st and Tuesday November 5th.

    24/10/24 for the next UK General Election? Any thoughts?
    The last possible date on summer time.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    edited May 2023
    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Pulpstar said:

    Who is in the prem if Luton fail to develop their ground ?

    Argument I read the other day was that it would be the club that finished 18th in the Premier League this season.
    What is actually wrong with the Luton ground? If its not safe, surely it wouldn't have been allowed to have fans in the Championship. Seems just like elitism to me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    WillG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who is in the prem if Luton fail to develop their ground ?

    Argument I read the other day was that it would be the club that finished 18th in the Premier League this season.
    What is actually wrong with the Luton ground? If its not safe, surely it wouldn't have been allowed to have fans in the Championship. Seems just like elitism to me.
    It doesn't have the facilities for the broadcasters.

    PLP delivers a top quality product.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Taz said:

    Eco loons disrupted my rugby match

    Yes, the press report said they were jeered and had beer thrown on them.

    I somehow don’t think it was beer.
    They had the entire crowd in unison tell them to fuck off and waved the wanker sign at them. What did that possibly achieve?

    I went on the train, did they expect me to walk?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    edited May 2023

    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863

    paging @MoonRabbit :lol:
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863

    Hung Parliament. Keir is no Tony Blair but I love him
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    @kateferguson4
    EXCL - More resignation honours drama! 🎖️

    Liz Truss has sparked fury in Whitehall by trying to hand out gongs to a dozen of her closest pals and donors - despite only lasting 49 days in No10

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1662540678050504704
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 703
    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    My brother was due to go on holiday to Uzbekistan this month but he had a stroke at Easter. He's recovering well but the trip has been cancelled.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    We've got a looming constitutional crisis coming up thanks to our unelected head of state.

    Will the first King’s speech delivered by Charles include meaningful bills for change - or legislative proposals about the unions and gender equality designed to put Labour on the spot.

    And will Buckingham Palace go along with such a political act?




    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1662470246622547971/photo/1

    Tories will have turning the country into a republic in their 2029 manifesto.

    You are a Tory. Is it time for this iteration of the Tories to burn?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,820

    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863

    Hung Parliament. Keir is no Tony Blair but I love him
    Lib dems losing support probably because of Ed Daveys ridiculous statement
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    The Ukrainian High command has put this up today: https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU

    I know they love winding Russians up but this sounds very serious.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034
    Sorry - can't remember who it was that posted about Harry/Meghan split rumours a while back. But seems to be surfacing in the papers.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/prince-harry-contacted-divorce-lawyers-30085850

  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,820
    WillG said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who is in the prem if Luton fail to develop their ground ?

    Argument I read the other day was that it would be the club that finished 18th in the Premier League this season.
    What is actually wrong with the Luton ground? If its not safe, surely it wouldn't have been allowed to have fans in the Championship. Seems just like elitism to me.
    yes I detest the stadia laws as well - sport is about what happens on the field not the balance sheet
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,871
    Scott_xP said:

    @kateferguson4
    EXCL - More resignation honours drama! 🎖️

    Liz Truss has sparked fury in Whitehall by trying to hand out gongs to a dozen of her closest pals and donors - despite only lasting 49 days in No10

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1662540678050504704

    Why would that 'spark fury' if it's her constitutional right? Could the assorted scrotes of Whitehall maybe do a little work instead of constantly journalist-bothering?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    SandraMc said:

    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    My brother was due to go on holiday to Uzbekistan this month but he had a stroke at Easter. He's recovering well but the trip has been cancelled.
    Sorry to hear that. Hope he gets to go find time. I have never been but sounds a fascinating country.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981

    Scott_xP said:

    @kateferguson4
    EXCL - More resignation honours drama! 🎖️

    Liz Truss has sparked fury in Whitehall by trying to hand out gongs to a dozen of her closest pals and donors - despite only lasting 49 days in No10

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1662540678050504704

    Why would that 'spark fury' if it's her constitutional right? Could the assorted scrotes of Whitehall maybe do a little work instead of constantly journalist-bothering?
    Can you point me to the part of the constitution that right is enshrined?

    Tony Blair and Gordon Brown had the decency to be ashamed and not submit a resignation honours list.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972
    Summary is that we need to kill AI before AI kills us

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/26/future-ai-chilling-humans-threat-civilisation

    If AI does actually start running rampant, @leon is Gaius Baltar
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,217
    I assume we’ve already done the Braverman polling? As bad as Truss during the Autumn dream sequence.

    https://twitter.com/opiniumresearch/status/1662539342584086529?s=46

    Labour will be praying she takes the post election LOTO position in 2024.
  • MuesliMuesli Posts: 202
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    No. How could you argue that deciding promotion in such a subjective fashion would be fair? In a sport that can’t even manage video refereeing properly and uncontroversially? No. Just no.

    I don’t know what the answer is mind. Maybe league performance if the playoff final is tied after 120 minutes? On the one hand, I could see that encouraging one team to park the bus but, OTOH, the other team would be forced on to the front foot I guess.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    edited May 2023
    I'm astonished the Kremlin hasn't given it's diplomats a line beyond 'Fighting back, or helping others to fight back, is an unacceptable escalation!' after more than a year.

    Russia has warned Western supplies of weapons to Ukraine risk escalating the war to levels not seen so far.

    Andrei Kelin, Russia's ambassador to the UK, told the BBC his country had "enormous resources" and it was yet to "act very seriously".

    His remarks come despite more than a year of fighting and widespread evidence of Russian war crimes.

    In the interview with Laura Kuenssberg, he suggested he was offended when challenged about Russia's conduct.

    Speaking exclusively to the BBC, Mr Kelin warned of a "new dimension" in the war.

    Insisting Russia "hasn't just started yet to act very seriously", the ambassador said "Russia is 16 times bigger than Ukraine. We have enormous resources."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65720980

    This is the problem when they made nuclear threats simply for people saying nasty things about Russia. They also never seem to care about the implication that they haven't really been bothering much up to this point, in terms of makign their own fight harder apparently.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328

    We've got a looming constitutional crisis coming up thanks to our unelected head of state.

    Will the first King’s speech delivered by Charles include meaningful bills for change - or legislative proposals about the unions and gender equality designed to put Labour on the spot.

    And will Buckingham Palace go along with such a political act?




    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1662470246622547971/photo/1

    Tories will have turning the country into a republic in their 2029 manifesto.

    Why would that put Labour on the spot? Surely Labour are in favour of women's rights?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,217
    FF43 said:

    SandraMc said:

    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    My brother was due to go on holiday to Uzbekistan this month but he had a stroke at Easter. He's recovering well but the trip has been cancelled.
    Sorry to hear that. Hope he gets to go find time. I have never been but sounds a fascinating country.
    Post Soviet countries pecking order as tourist attractions - I assume (now, with Ukraine and Russia both off limits) that Uzbekistan comes second or 3rd, after Georgia and Estonia.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Vote to Impeach Texas State Attorney General Ken Paxton

    proceedings scheduled to commence 1pm Central = 7pm UK; see link for live stream:

    https://house.texas.gov/video-audio/

    San Antonio Current - Want to watch Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's impeachment proceeding? Here's how.

    The Texas House of Representatives at 1 p.m. Saturday will debate a resolution to impeach Attorney General Ken Paxton, according to the House General Investigating Committee.

    In a memo, the committee said the proceeding is necessary to address the Republican attorney general's “long-standing pattern of abuse of office and public trust.” The panel also warned that, without such an action, Paxton could "further obstruct and delay justice."

    The proceeding will be available for viewing on the Texas House livestream. You're on your own when it comes to popping popcorn for the show.

    The debate is expected to last four hours with time evenly split between those who support Paxton's impeachment and those who oppose, according to the committee memo. If the House votes for impeachment, the embattled AG would face trial in the Texas Senate.

    If you need a rundown of the articles of impeachment, all 20 are summarized right here.

    https://www.sacurrent.com/news/want-to-watch-texas-attorney-general-ken-paxtons-impeachment-proceedings-heres-how-31817302

    A pattern of abuse of office and public trust? Why isn't he running for President?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    Summary is that we need to kill AI before AI kills us

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/26/future-ai-chilling-humans-threat-civilisation

    If AI does actually start running rampant, @leon is Gaius Baltar

    Surely he is applying for the job of Locutus?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    DavidL said:

    The Ukrainian High command has put this up today: https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU

    I know they love winding Russians up but this sounds very serious.

    Yes. The key audience for this message looks to be Ukrainians rather than third country supporters or Russia. Which suggests something big is about to happen.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    It is one area where the ex-Soviet sphere appears to kick our arse.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    If it involves a judge, it isn't a sport, it's a performance.



  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972
    DavidL said:

    Summary is that we need to kill AI before AI kills us

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/26/future-ai-chilling-humans-threat-civilisation

    If AI does actually start running rampant, @leon is Gaius Baltar

    Surely he is applying for the job of Locutus?
    Naah. Baltar chased a sexy yet psychotic blonde lady, did some travel, wrote reviews of new planets, then ended up as sex god for a harem.

    That sounds like an average weekend for Leon.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,168
    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    Built by Durin by the looks of it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    If it involves a judge, it isn't a sport, it's a performance.
    Lawsuits are a performance? John Mortimer called them 'a good healthy game of chance.'
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    kle4 said:

    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    It is one area where the ex-Soviet sphere appears to kick our arse.
    My local, Gants Hill, is a pale imitation :lol:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    edited May 2023
    Regrettable news re Sir Wyn Williams, the judge chairing the Post Office inquiry. Hope he makes a full and speedy recovery.

    https://twitter.com/PostOffInquiry/status/1662130792108048385

    "Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry
    @PostOffInquiry

    We are sorry to announce Sir Wyn Williams has been taken ill and so our June Phase 4 Hearings will be pushed back.
    It is Sir Wyn’s present intention to commence these hearings on Tuesday 4 July and to sit for the remainder of July."
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    If it involves a judge, it isn't a sport, it's a performance.



    You could do it on number of corners in the event of a tie after extra time.

    Alternatively, you could have the penalty shoot out before extra time.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,820
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    If it involves a judge, it isn't a sport, it's a performance.



    You could do it on number of corners in the event of a tie after extra time.

    Alternatively, you could have the penalty shoot out before extra time.
    the idea of sport is to create drama and tension not reduce it (for fear of possible hurt feelings )
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    edited May 2023

    DavidL said:

    Summary is that we need to kill AI before AI kills us

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/26/future-ai-chilling-humans-threat-civilisation

    If AI does actually start running rampant, @leon is Gaius Baltar

    Surely he is applying for the job of Locutus?
    Naah. Baltar chased a sexy yet psychotic blonde lady, did some travel, wrote reviews of new planets, then ended up as sex god for a harem.

    That sounds like an average weekend for Leon.
    Given that in its latter seasons BSGs lore was so totally fucked (a trait RDM carried across to For All Mankind), they had to turn cast members into angels to make the plot work, i can't help thinking that that will not conclude Leon's arc.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    If it involves a judge, it isn't a sport, it's a performance.



    You could do it on number of corners in the event of a tie after extra time.

    Alternatively, you could have the penalty shoot out before extra time.
    Make the goals bigger
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,217

    kle4 said:

    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    It is one area where the ex-Soviet sphere appears to kick our arse.
    My local, Gants Hill, is a pale imitation :lol:
    The best of the bunch is probably Canary Wharf jubilee line station.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,888
    kle4 said:

    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    It is one area where the ex-Soviet sphere appears to kick our arse.
    Holden's Arnos Grove and Oakwood stations, each a listed gem, are shocked at the ostentatious vulgarity of this.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just can't stand that. The whole defeat loaded onto one player. Ditch the penalty shootout please. It's indefensible.

    And replace it with what?
    Something akin to boxing. If a team wins on goals scored that's it. They win the match. That's equivalent to the knockout or stoppage. If it's equal on that metric (ie a draw after extra time) you get a 'decision'. Like the points verdict on a boxing match that goes the distance. A panel of (expert and independent) judges score the game based on things such as possession, chances created, style, sportsmanship. So the win goes to the better team on the day. The team who played best. Who deserved to win. It'd still have plenty of suspense if the match has been close. That excruciating wait for the judge's scores to be announced. Fantastic. But also fair and above all humane.
    If it involves a judge, it isn't a sport, it's a performance.
    Lawsuits are a performance? John Mortimer called them 'a good healthy game of chance.'
    Possibly, yes. It would explain the gowns and wigs.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647

    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863

    paging @MoonRabbit :lol:
    Yes. I was wrong. I said 30-42. I was suckered by recent Tory increases and a few 30%s. But were those polls newbie pollsters, are we getting established v newbie split again? Survation 28, Ipsos 28, yougov 25, Opinium now 28 but with swingback.

    Gap between Tories to labour is one measurement, Tories not breaking into 30s is another measurement, but a ridiculous 59% LLG with swingback built in? And we are just 10 months from the optimum day for the Tories to hold the election. Everyday beyond May 2nd next year is a worse result for them.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Extraordinary! The government is threatening to take legal action against the Covid Inquiry to stop them having access to unredacted documents . And in vomit inducing hypocrisy they’re trying to use the Human Rights Act to help them .

    The very same Act that many of the right wing loons in the Tory party want to get rid of .

  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,820
    edited May 2023
    TimS said:

    kle4 said:

    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    It is one area where the ex-Soviet sphere appears to kick our arse.
    My local, Gants Hill, is a pale imitation :lol:
    The best of the bunch is probably Canary Wharf jubilee line station.
    Baker Street is nice if a little run down these days - Victorians were the last generation to have
    so much consistent style so Baker Street hangs on imho
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    @GuidoFawkes
    1h
    The. Body. Language.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281

    Scott_xP said:

    @kateferguson4
    EXCL - More resignation honours drama! 🎖️

    Liz Truss has sparked fury in Whitehall by trying to hand out gongs to a dozen of her closest pals and donors - despite only lasting 49 days in No10

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1662540678050504704

    Why would that 'spark fury' if it's her constitutional right? Could the assorted scrotes of Whitehall maybe do a little work instead of constantly journalist-bothering?
    Probably because it further discredits the Tories ?
    Those still in office evidently haven’t quite yet given up hope.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    The Ukrainian High command has put this up today: https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU

    I know they love winding Russians up but this sounds very serious.

    Yes. The key audience for this message looks to be Ukrainians rather than third country supporters or Russia. Which suggests something big is about to happen.
    If I were about to launch a major offensive I would be doing my best to downplay it in the hope of catching my enemy off guard, not boasting about it left, right and centre.

    I hope for their sake that whatever it is doesn't turn out to be a damp squib. It wouldn't be optimal for morale in Ukraine.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Hung Parliament. Nailed on.

    SKS is not Tony Blair but David Cameron.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    TimS said:

    kle4 said:

    FF43 said:

    Thread on stunning underground station interiors. This is in Tashkent.



    https://twitter.com/culturaltutor/status/1662356673669877761

    It is one area where the ex-Soviet sphere appears to kick our arse.
    My local, Gants Hill, is a pale imitation :lol:
    The best of the bunch is probably Canary Wharf jubilee line station.
    Until last year - now completely overshadowed by the Elizabeth Line.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468

    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863

    paging @MoonRabbit :lol:
    Yes. I was wrong. I said 30-42. I was suckered by recent Tory increases and a few 30%s. But were those polls newbie pollsters, are we getting established v newbie split again? Survation 28, Ipsos 28, yougov 25, Opinium now 28 but with swingback.

    Gap between Tories to labour is one measurement, Tories not breaking into 30s is another measurement, but a ridiculous 59% LLG with swingback built in? And we are just 10 months from the optimum day for the Tories to hold the election. Everyday beyond May 2nd next year is a worse result for them.
    And ten months before the 1997 election takes us to early July 1996. The (gold standard) ICM poll from then...

    C30 L45 LD21.

    There are plenty of rational reasons to think we're not mindlessly heading down a path signposted "1997 revisited". But every month that the polls pootle along like this makes the underlying question louder.

    What Is going to stop Sunak suffering the same fate as Major?
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863

    paging @MoonRabbit :lol:
    Yes. I was wrong. I said 30-42. I was suckered by recent Tory increases and a few 30%s. But were those polls newbie pollsters, are we getting established v newbie split again? Survation 28, Ipsos 28, yougov 25, Opinium now 28 but with swingback.

    Gap between Tories to labour is one measurement, Tories not breaking into 30s is another measurement, but a ridiculous 59% LLG with swingback built in? And we are just 10 months from the optimum day for the Tories to hold the election. Everyday beyond May 2nd next year is a worse result for them.
    How you babe
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    nico679 said:

    Extraordinary! The government is threatening to take legal action against the Covid Inquiry to stop them having access to unredacted documents . And in vomit inducing hypocrisy they’re trying to use the Human Rights Act to help them .

    The very same Act that many of the right wing loons in the Tory party want to get rid of .


    . .
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    edited May 2023

    This week's Opinium poll for @ObserverUK


    Little change as Labour's lead goes from 14 to 15

    Labour 43% (n/c)
    Conservative 28% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (-2)
    Green 7% (+2)
    Reform UK 6% (n/c)

    https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1662539333100793863

    paging @MoonRabbit :lol:
    Yes. I was wrong. I said 30-42. I was suckered by recent Tory increases and a few 30%s. But were those polls newbie pollsters, are we getting established v newbie split again? Survation 28, Ipsos 28, yougov 25, Opinium now 28 but with swingback.

    Gap between Tories to labour is one measurement, Tories not breaking into 30s is another measurement, but a ridiculous 59% LLG with swingback built in? And we are just 10 months from the optimum day for the Tories to hold the election. Everyday beyond May 2nd next year is a worse result for them.
    How you babe
    [redacted. Using the human rights act]
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    Not too bad Leon, how are you?

    I am literally Horse lol
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    What Is going to stop Sunak suffering the same fate as Major?

    SKS is not Tony Blair.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    Speaking of stations, this one slipped quietly under the radar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Green_Park_railway_station
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    edited May 2023
    A
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    The Ukrainian High command has put this up today: https://twitter.com/CinC_AFU

    I know they love winding Russians up but this sounds very serious.

    Yes. The key audience for this message looks to be Ukrainians rather than third country supporters or Russia. Which suggests something big is about to happen.
    If I were about to launch a major offensive I would be doing my best to downplay it in the hope of catching my enemy off guard, not boasting about it left, right and centre.

    I hope for their sake that whatever it is doesn't turn out to be a damp squib. It wouldn't be optimal for morale in Ukraine.
    Radio chatter and satellite recon (and many other things) means that it is impossible to hide that an offensive is about to take place. Just the targets - and that will require a lot of fakery and decoying to hide.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Are ICM still around?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Rishi is a traitor and I question his Britishness.

    Rishi Sunak will ask stores to cap basic food prices

    No 10 in discussions with supermarkets over French-style approach to cost of living crisis


    Downing Street is drawing up plans for retailers to introduce price caps on basic food items such as bread and milk to help tackle the rising cost of living, The Telegraph can disclose.

    Rishi Sunak’s aides have started work on a deal with supermarkets akin to an agreement in France in which the country’s major retailers charge the “lowest possible amount” for some essential food products.

    The move would amount to the biggest attempt to manage supermarket prices since controls established by Edward Heath in 1973. However, No 10 insists that any action by retailers would be voluntary.

    It comes amid growing concern in government about sustained pressure on household finances from inflation and the rising cost of borrowing.

    A Treasury source said: “Food inflation is much more resilient and difficult to get rid of than we anticipated.”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/27/rishi-sunak-asks-stores-to-cap-basic-food-prices/

    Not only is this French, this is socialism. UGH.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    Are ICM still around?

    Apparently not.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468

    What Is going to stop Sunak suffering the same fate as Major?

    SKS is not Tony Blair.
    But set against that, Rishi is a much less effective retail politician than John Major. Even in '97, by which time he was clearly broken, you could see the remains of the charisma that triumphed in '92. Major was a has been. In terms of political star quality, Sunak looks more like a never was.

    One of the interesting data points we'll get next year is where the balance between oppositions wining and governments losing lies. My hunch is that the second is much more important.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647

    Not too bad Leon, how are you?

    I am literally Horse lol
    The original Horse was Leon too, Not much doubt about it in hindsight.

    How you manage to find time to earn a living Leon whilst playing games with so many PB avatars, I can only put down to you having discovered the optimum combination of drugs.
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