Today's airport delays wouldn't have happened under a paper-based system.
lol, as if there are zero flaws with a paper-based system. The biggest one is how inefficient and expensive it is.
It reminds me of when people argue a written constitution or PR will magically solve problems that are not really related to the codification of our rules or our electoral system in any direct way. They might be good ideas (though personally I think PR is the stronger of the two argued for there), but they are not magic. Likewise here any problems that can and do exist with paper systems are discounted as if they do not exist (and if there are no benefits to system we'd not have shifted in the first place). If the argument is that despite its flaws a paper-based system would be better that's a different, harder argument to make.
MY little enclave of SE Spain rocked this week by allegations and arrests for vote buying, principally by 2 list members of PSOE - the socialists. We have locals throughout the country tomorrow. In my area the conservatives should do well having taken the Andalucian Community in a landslide victory last year . The socialists were ousted after years of uninterrupted rule, with the old leader finally imprisoned for corruption. A useful reminder that grubby politics comes in all political shades .
Just back from a very pleasant week's break on a cruise travelling down the coasts of Spain and Portugal. We stopped at both Vigo and A Coruna and there was definitely plenty of election posters with the PP candidate for the leader of the council getting his mug shot on the back of a number of the local buses.
Last time, PP and PSOE both won 9 seats on the 27 seat A Coruna Council with the local Atlantic Tide losing four seats to 6. The Galician Nationalists won two and Citizens the other seat.
As this is PP national leader Nunez's home turf, you'd think he'd be expecting PP to take control of A Coruna .
Nationally, PP are 5-6 points ahead of Sanchez's PSOE and a PP-VOX coalition would have a wafer thin majority in the new Cortes.
The Spectator isn't quite the same since James Forsyth left, and Fraser Nelson seems overstretched these days, but I'm still a subscriber and it's a much better read than The Telegraph.
I think the less familiar publications are clustering around the mean here, which is perfectly understandable- if you have a 1-10 scale and you don't know too much about it you'll probably go for "5".
I would be more sympathetic to the 'Russian speakers are a oppressed minority' claims if the Russian state hadn't oppressed non-Russian minorities for centuries.
That's the same kind of "remember what they did in 1845" stuff that poisoned Ireland for centuries. In any inter-ethnic rivalry there are always examples of oppression and indeed atrocities, and extremists justify oppression by pointing to the last thing the other side did. It's entirely understandable, but bystanders like us should try to avoid buying totally into either narrative and promote a lasting settlement. We should be doing all we can to prevent Ukraine being defeated, without providing unlimited assistance to endorse the "every inch of our soil is sacred and must be reconquered" stuff.
The Baltic States and Kazakhstan have sizeable Russian minorities. I’d be reluctant to set a precedent that Russia can simply hive off majority-Russian areas in neighbouring countries, in the absence of persecution.
Russia might also note the rising Chinese population in SE Siberia.
I’m curious - say Ukraine takes a chunk of Russia. Kicks all the Russians out. Does hat mean that in the interest of “peace” and “facts on the ground” the Russians should give that territory to Ukraine?
Naturally. That's where misplaced attempts at 'realism' gets you. See also the implicit demand that some states should not have independent choice of action because it'd make life easier for us if they just bent over.
Reading this thread is quite hilarious in how it reinforces opinions people already held - fancy that.
I'll admit to being surprised by the FT, which I actually trust less than the BBC and The Times, and think The Star is unfairly scored - yes, it's trash but it's only there for a laugh.
You might well trust the Star, but what would you trust it for ?
Today's airport delays wouldn't have happened under a paper-based system.
I guess you post on PB via a microfiche.
There are technological innovations he likes and ones he doesn't like.
I jest, since I think we all know some problems are not technological in nature and yet some silicon valley spod in a hoody and scruffy beard is probably raising a billion dollars for their new start up to try to implement a technological solution to that problem. But drawing a line just before smartphones and e-gates, but after high speed internet and other useful developments, seems somewhat arbitrary.
Reading this thread is quite hilarious in how it reinforces opinions people already held - fancy that.
I'll admit to being surprised by the FT, which I actually trust less than the BBC and The Times, and think The Star is unfairly scored - yes, it's trash but it's only there for a laugh.
You might well trust the Star, but what would you trust it for ?
Conservative voters are lower trust than Labour voters is the main thing from that survey I think. Not surprising given the diet of conspiracy theories that the former are feeding on.
Yes it's a worry. I like to think of Conservative voters as serious centre right types who just have slightly different brain chemistry to me. I picture them all reading The Times and The Economist and studiously trying to map what they glean from there onto their own knowledge and instincts to arrive at considered opinions which are wrong but not in any way crazy or unpleasant. Not sure this is an accurate picture these days.
Not entirely convinced about this eating Japanese knotweed business - not least because one wonders what happens to the trimmings. Not something for the compost heap.
And squirrel - what about pest baits?
But muntjac I have eaten, and will happily do so again ...
I await with interest a palatable recipe for my prodigious harvest of mare's tail, bindweed and speedwell.
Reading this thread is quite hilarious in how it reinforces opinions people already held - fancy that.
I'll admit to being surprised by the FT, which I actually trust less than the BBC and The Times, and think The Star is unfairly scored - yes, it's trash but it's only there for a laugh.
You might well trust the Star, but what would you trust it for ?
Not entirely convinced about this eating Japanese knotweed business - not least because one wonders what happens to the trimmings. Not something for the compost heap.
And squirrel - what about pest baits?
But muntjac I have eaten, and will happily do so again ...
I await with interest a palatable recipe for my prodigious harvest of mare's tail, bindweed and speedwell.
I must admit the former doesn't sound very appealing, and that's if you can identify the species:
Today's airport delays wouldn't have happened under a paper-based system.
I’m sure, like me, you contribute to PB by fucking fax.
Evelyn Waugh knew how to do it:
"‘Your first visit to Ishmaelia, eh? Then perhaps I can be of some help to you. As no doubt you know, I was there in ’97 with poor “Sprat” Larkin…’.
‘I want some cleft sticks, please’, said William firmly.
The General’s manner changed abruptly. His leg had been pulled before, often. Only last week there had been an idiotic young fellow dressed up as a missionary…
‘What the devil for?’ he asked tartly.
‘Oh, just for my dispatches, you know.’
It was with exactly such an expression of simplicity that the joker had asked for a tiffin gun, a set of chota pegs and a chota mallet. ‘Miss Barton will see to you,’ he said, and turning on his heel began to inspect a newly-arrived consignment of rhinocerous hide whips in a menacing way.
Miss Barton was easier to deal with. ‘We can have some cloven for you,’ she said brightly. ‘If you will make your selection I will send them down to our cleaver.’
William, hesitating between polo sticks and hockey sticks, chose six of each. Then Miss Barton led him through the departments of the enormous store."
Reading this thread is quite hilarious in how it reinforces opinions people already held - fancy that.
I'll admit to being surprised by the FT, which I actually trust less than the BBC and The Times, and think The Star is unfairly scored - yes, it's trash but it's only there for a laugh.
You might well trust the Star, but what would you trust it for ?
Without even clicking the link…let me guess…there’s a picture of some people and a donkey, on the beach perhaps, and the the donkey, in your hilarious satire, is SKS? Am I right?
Without even clicking the link…let me guess…there’s a picture of some people and a donkey, on the beach perhaps, and the the donkey, in your hilarious satire, is SKS? Am I right?
Weirdly the donkeys are just on a regular street somewhere. Otherwise yes.
Edit: The 'more tweets' section below the replies is also what you'd expect - Corbyn and Roger Waters are not anti-semites. Something a 'banned' Corbyn film (which I keep reading about being screened places despite being 'banned') going to Glastonbury and how long before it is labelled anti-semitic, that Roger Waters is a legend, etc.
Without even clicking the link…let me guess…there’s a picture of some people and a donkey, on the beach perhaps, and the the donkey, in your hilarious satire, is SKS? Am I right?
Actually it is a picture of SKS with 5 small donkeys (real ones although they might be mules or hinneys)
Without even clicking the link…let me guess…there’s a picture of some people and a donkey, on the beach perhaps, and the the donkey, in your hilarious satire, is SKS? Am I right?
Actually it is a picture of SKS with 5 small donkeys (real ones although they might be mules or hinneys)
Without even clicking the link…let me guess…there’s a picture of some people and a donkey, on the beach perhaps, and the the donkey, in your hilarious satire, is SKS? Am I right?
Without even clicking the link…let me guess…there’s a picture of some people and a donkey, on the beach perhaps, and the the donkey, in your hilarious satire, is SKS? Am I right?
Weirdly the donkeys are just on a regular street somewhere.
All 4 asleep as SKS gives another barnstorming performance I thought.
Without even clicking the link…let me guess…there’s a picture of some people and a donkey, on the beach perhaps, and the the donkey, in your hilarious satire, is SKS? Am I right?
Weirdly the donkeys are just on a regular street somewhere.
All 4 asleep as SKS gives another barnstorming performance I thought.
Socialist donkeys only count as 4/5ths of a normal donkey?
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
The most amusing thing about this is how piss poorly everybody rates The Express, Daily Mail, and The Sun.
But, yes, the omission of Al Jazeera is a shame. I know people, centrist, who swear by it for international coverage.
They should separate BBC World Service from the BBC. It is up there with the FT in quality and doesn't suffer from the BBC's centre-left bias.
Funnily enough the domestic BBC's most neutral period was during the EU referendum where they were legally obliged to stay neutral and watched things closely.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
I am really puzzled by this. I am guessing the CS killed this as they seem to be running the show these days. Presumably they couldn't bear a positive Brexit story.
MY little enclave of SE Spain rocked this week by allegations and arrests for vote buying, principally by 2 list members of PSOE - the socialists. We have locals throughout the country tomorrow. In my area the conservatives should do well having taken the Andalucian Community in a landslide victory last year . The socialists were ousted after years of uninterrupted rule, with the old leader finally imprisoned for corruption. A useful reminder that grubby politics comes in all political shades .
Just back from a very pleasant week's break on a cruise travelling down the coasts of Spain and Portugal. We stopped at both Vigo and A Coruna and there was definitely plenty of election posters with the PP candidate for the leader of the council getting his mug shot on the back of a number of the local buses.
Last time, PP and PSOE both won 9 seats on the 27 seat A Coruna Council with the local Atlantic Tide losing four seats to 6. The Galician Nationalists won two and Citizens the other seat.
As this is PP national leader Nunez's home turf, you'd think he'd be expecting PP to take control of A Coruna .
Nationally, PP are 5-6 points ahead of Sanchez's PSOE and a PP-VOX coalition would have a wafer thin majority in the new Cortes.
Galicia is a PP stronghold but as with the country as a whole, it's big and the ports are more left-wing than the inland more rural areas. You're right about the polls but the left-wing vote is much more fragmented and they're heavily reliant even now on a variety of nationalists .
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
Presumably PB is not cited because it would embarrass all the others. If there is a fast moving story I always come here because the number of links and observations you get here from places I might not have found myself are unmatchable.
Not sure what they mean by "trust" though. The old template of here are the facts and here is what we think about them died a long time ago. Everyone spins and you just have to be alert to that. Sometimes even people on here spin too, extraordinary though that may seem.
IMHO the nearest thing you get to separating facts from opinion is the Economist; with the sad decline of daily papers it is the one I follow regularly for slower paced news coverage.
The belief there is no real difference between fact and opinion has now massively infected even traditionally quality papers, both in what they cover and how they cover it.
The most striking thing about the results is that Labour voters have a much wider spread between news sources they trust and distrust, whereas Conservative voters are less discriminatory.
It would be interesting if someone computed the average too.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
I am really puzzled by this. I am guessing the CS killed this as they seem to be running the show these days. Presumably they couldn't bear a positive Brexit story.
More likely a sop to the farmers, kicked in the teeth by Brexit promises.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Presumably PB is not cited because it would embarrass all the others. If there is a fast moving story I always come here because the number of links and observations you get here from places I might not have found myself are unmatchable.
Not sure what they mean by "trust" though. The old template of here are the facts and here is what we think about them died a long time ago. Everyone spins and you just have to be alert to that. Sometimes even people on here spin too, extraordinary though that may seem.
IMHO the nearest thing you get to separating facts from opinion is the Economist; with the sad decline of daily papers it is the one I follow regularly for slower paced news coverage.
The belief there is no real difference between fact and opinion has now massively infected even traditionally quality papers, both in what they cover and how they cover it.
Point of order, the editorial decision about which news stories to cover and with what prominence is opinion-based and will always be so.
Within an article, the use of and prominence of sources is also the result of opinions.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
They cause a great deal of distress to the animals in the process and are often being exported to countries with far poorer care standfards than the UK. This was something that has been highlighted for many years when we were inside the EU: That we had far higher standards of care than many other (but certainly not all) EU countries but were sending animals there for fattening up prior to slaughter.
Nick Palmer is much better placed to comment on this than I am but it is something we have both shared as a cause since our days in the BUAV. (which I believe was the first time I ever heard him speak)
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
I am not a big fan of the current form of Conhome, but there's an excellent article there by Harry Phibbs on the OBR's claim that Brexit would result in a 4% reduction in the size of the British economy. You'd expect an author on the other side of the debate to dispute this claim, but this is a well developed argument based on FOI requests by Phibbs into the OBR's methodology.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Presumably PB is not cited because it would embarrass all the others. If there is a fast moving story I always come here because the number of links and observations you get here from places I might not have found myself are unmatchable.
Not sure what they mean by "trust" though. The old template of here are the facts and here is what we think about them died a long time ago. Everyone spins and you just have to be alert to that. Sometimes even people on here spin too, extraordinary though that may seem.
IMHO the nearest thing you get to separating facts from opinion is the Economist; with the sad decline of daily papers it is the one I follow regularly for slower paced news coverage.
The belief there is no real difference between fact and opinion has now massively infected even traditionally quality papers, both in what they cover and how they cover it.
The podcast's The Economist put out are excellent too. A great resource for a wide variety of subjects.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
I am really puzzled by this. I am guessing the CS killed this as they seem to be running the show these days. Presumably they couldn't bear a positive Brexit story.
More likely a sop to the farmers, kicked in the teeth by Brexit promises.
The general direction of Defra (in line with the wider WEF effort) seems to be to aim for a lot less farmers, so I doubt that concerns about kicking them formed a huge part of the calculus.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Private Eye does surprisingly well, as does LBC
LBC has people who prominently annoy one side or the other. Seems that's actually a good way to achieve achieve trust, because people are often fair minded enough to know that as long as their view is getting a damned good airing it's ok to hear the other end of the argument forcefully put.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
I don't know enough about the issues to give you a definitive answer, though I suspect the ferry journey adds another layer of stress to the experience. Obviously the ideal scenario is for abbatoirs to be as near the farms as possible and the final journey to be as short and stress free as possible. Personally I don't have an implacable opposition to live animal exports, but I do see how banning them would have been seen as a step forward for animal welfare, and therefore somewhat awkward for Brexit critics.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
I don't know enough about the issues to give you a definitive answer, though I suspect the ferry journey adds another layer of stress to the experience. Obviously the ideal scenario is for abbatoirs to be as near the farms as possible and the final journey to be as short and stress free as possible. Personally I don't have an implacable opposition to live animal exports, but I do see how banning them would have been seen as a step forward for animal welfare, and therefore somewhat awkward for Brexit critics.
I think a blanket ban would be using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and would obviously be problematic if applied to land borders. Clearly transporting animals in a way that needs multiple modes of transport (road, rail, sea, air) is going to add to the stress, but I believe that sort of thing can be accounted for without resorting to an outright ban. As long as we don't treat the idea of crossing a border as a proxy for the real issues of journey time and comfort.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Meat is murder...
Surely killing plants is murder too? Admittedly we don't usually kill them - just commit the most horrible abuse. Meat... it might be more humane!
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
I am really puzzled by this. I am guessing the CS killed this as they seem to be running the show these days. Presumably they couldn't bear a positive Brexit story.
More likely a sop to the farmers, kicked in the teeth by Brexit promises.
If there is one group of producers that deserve to be kicked in the teeth, it's our subsidy-gobbling, low productivity farmers. We should go for free trade in food, and ignore their special pleading..
Presumably PB is not cited because it would embarrass all the others. If there is a fast moving story I always come here because the number of links and observations you get here from places I might not have found myself are unmatchable.
Not sure what they mean by "trust" though. The old template of here are the facts and here is what we think about them died a long time ago. Everyone spins and you just have to be alert to that. Sometimes even people on here spin too, extraordinary though that may seem.
IMHO the nearest thing you get to separating facts from opinion is the Economist; with the sad decline of daily papers it is the one I follow regularly for slower paced news coverage.
The belief there is no real difference between fact and opinion has now massively infected even traditionally quality papers, both in what they cover and how they cover it.
I used to enjoy reading the Economist, but cancelled my subscription back in 2003 in protest at their support for the allied invasion of Iraq. After 20 years, though, I think they may have learned their lesson; perhaps it is time to resubscribe :-)
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Meat is murder...
Surely killing plants is murder too? Admittedly we don't usually kill them - just commit the most horrible abuse. Meat... it might be more humane!
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Meat is murder...
Surely killing plants is murder too? Admittedly we don't usually kill them - just commit the most horrible abuse. Meat... it might be more humane!
Surely you eat plants too!
Indeed. We're both guilty. I'd like to be able to accuse you of being far worse than I am given your railway, and thus wood chopping proclivities, but I'm of the same mould.
Presumably PB is not cited because it would embarrass all the others. If there is a fast moving story I always come here because the number of links and observations you get here from places I might not have found myself are unmatchable.
Not sure what they mean by "trust" though. The old template of here are the facts and here is what we think about them died a long time ago. Everyone spins and you just have to be alert to that. Sometimes even people on here spin too, extraordinary though that may seem.
IMHO the nearest thing you get to separating facts from opinion is the Economist; with the sad decline of daily papers it is the one I follow regularly for slower paced news coverage.
The belief there is no real difference between fact and opinion has now massively infected even traditionally quality papers, both in what they cover and how they cover it.
I used to enjoy reading the Economist, but cancelled my subscription back in 2003 in protest at their support for the allied invasion of Iraq. After 20 years, though, I think they may have learned their lesson; perhaps it is time to resubscribe :-)
They have learned their lesson on that -they sometimes admit they were wrong on Iraq.
The Economist is extraordinarily woke on social issues these days, though still occasionally nods towards its free trade roots in economics. But it mirrors the biases of lefty London and New York, from whom, after all, it draws most of its employees, for better and worse.
If you read it with that filter, it's fine, and as a source for information on Indonesian opposition movements, new ways of farming in Rwanda or the Peruvian Supreme Court scandal it's unmatched.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Meat is murder...
Surely killing plants is murder too? Admittedly we don't usually kill them - just commit the most horrible abuse. Meat... it might be more humane!
Surely you eat plants too!
Indeed. We're both guilty. I'd like to be able to accuse you of being far worse than I am given your railway, and thus wood chopping proclivities, but I'm of the same mould.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Most campaigners on the issue exempt transport within the island of Ireland, which as you say is no big deal. The objection is to crowded, lengthy overseas transport, which is often horrible and sometimes fatal. After all, slaughtering the animals in the UK and exporting the meat has the same effect as the archaic idea of transporting them 500 miles in order for them to be slaughtered at the other end.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
What's wrong with live animal exports?
It is generally considered to be unfairly stressful to the animals.
Surely that depends on the circumstances? For example, there's little to object to about a slaughterhouse in Monaghan processing animals from Rosslea. It would be much preferable to transporting them to Coleraine. Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
Most campaigners on the issue exempt transport within the island of Ireland, which as you say is no big deal. The objection is to crowded, lengthy overseas transport, which is often horrible and sometimes fatal. After all, slaughtering the animals in the UK and exporting the meat has the same effect as the archaic idea of transporting them 500 miles in order for them to be slaughtered at the other end.
o/t Ah the very man! Nick, I was thinking of suggesting to a group of friends that we might collectively play a 'Diplomacy' style online game. Probably actually Diplomacy. A move a week is probably the pace. Any suggestions? (It seems there are all sorts of possibilities, and I trust none of them)
San Antonio Current - Want to watch Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's impeachment proceeding? Here's how.
The Texas House of Representatives at 1 p.m. Saturday will debate a resolution to impeach Attorney General Ken Paxton, according to the House General Investigating Committee.
In a memo, the committee said the proceeding is necessary to address the Republican attorney general's “long-standing pattern of abuse of office and public trust.” The panel also warned that, without such an action, Paxton could "further obstruct and delay justice."
The proceeding will be available for viewing on the Texas House livestream. You're on your own when it comes to popping popcorn for the show.
The debate is expected to last four hours with time evenly split between those who support Paxton's impeachment and those who oppose, according to the committee memo. If the House votes for impeachment, the embattled AG would face trial in the Texas Senate.
If you need a rundown of the articles of impeachment, all 20 are summarized right here.
o/t Ah the very man! Nick, I was thinking of suggesting to a group of friends that we might collectively play a 'Diplomacy' style online game. Probably actually Diplomacy. A move a week is probably the pace. Any suggestions? (It seems there are all sorts of possibilities, and I trust none of them)
I'd be up for that (and of course am entirely trustworthy...)!
o/t Ah the very man! Nick, I was thinking of suggesting to a group of friends that we might collectively play a 'Diplomacy' style online game. Probably actually Diplomacy. A move a week is probably the pace. Any suggestions? (It seems there are all sorts of possibilities, and I trust none of them)
I'd be up for that (and of course am entirely trustworthy...)!
Well I'd be very happy for you to join, but what I was asking was whether you could recommend a platform.
Independently though if you ever need a similarly entirely trustworthy player in some game or other (HoI4?) then I'd be up for it.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
Genuinely curious why they have dropped the Animal Welfare bill. This is something they can do that they couldn't before, as you say, and could be presented as a Brexit benefit when there are hardly any others. You might expect this government to want to claim Brexit benefits.
Another Brexit vision sadly turns out to be a mirage:
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
Except it is not a mirage at all. It is something we can now do which we were unable to do previously. The fact that this dregs of a Government has decided not to do it doesn't change that. It just means we will have to wait until they are gone before we do it.
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
Genuinely curious why they have dropped the Animal Welfare bill. This is something they can do that they couldn't before, as you say, and could be presented as a Brexit benefit when there are hardly any others. You might expect this government to want to claim Brexit benefits.
Apparently it’s because they didn’t fancy dealing with amendments such as a ban on trail hunting. I think there’s a few newish Tory MPs who might have rebelled on that.
Reading this thread is quite hilarious in how it reinforces opinions people already held - fancy that.
I'll admit to being surprised by the FT, which I actually trust less than the BBC and The Times, and think The Star is unfairly scored - yes, it's trash but it's only there for a laugh.
And The Star were the only paper to call the choice in December 2019 correctly;
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Last time, PP and PSOE both won 9 seats on the 27 seat A Coruna Council with the local Atlantic Tide losing four seats to 6. The Galician Nationalists won two and Citizens the other seat.
As this is PP national leader Nunez's home turf, you'd think he'd be expecting PP to take control of A Coruna .
Nationally, PP are 5-6 points ahead of Sanchez's PSOE and a PP-VOX coalition would have a wafer thin majority in the new Cortes.
I think the less familiar publications are clustering around the mean here, which is perfectly understandable- if you have a 1-10 scale and you don't know too much about it you'll probably go for "5".
I jest, since I think we all know some problems are not technological in nature and yet some silicon valley spod in a hoody and scruffy beard is probably raising a billion dollars for their new start up to try to implement a technological solution to that problem. But drawing a line just before smartphones and e-gates, but after high speed internet and other useful developments, seems somewhat arbitrary.
https://www.eatweeds.co.uk/field-horsetail-edible
"‘Your first visit to Ishmaelia, eh? Then perhaps I can be of some help to you. As no doubt you know, I was there in ’97 with poor “Sprat” Larkin…’.
‘I want some cleft sticks, please’, said William firmly.
The General’s manner changed abruptly. His leg had been pulled before, often. Only last week there had been an idiotic young fellow dressed up as a missionary…
‘What the devil for?’ he asked tartly.
‘Oh, just for my dispatches, you know.’
It was with exactly such an expression of simplicity that the joker had asked for a tiffin gun, a set of chota pegs and a chota mallet. ‘Miss Barton will see to you,’ he said, and turning on his heel began to inspect a newly-arrived consignment of rhinocerous hide whips in a menacing way.
Miss Barton was easier to deal with. ‘We can have some cloven for you,’ she said brightly. ‘If you will make your selection I will send them down to our cleaver.’
William, hesitating between polo sticks and hockey sticks, chose six of each. Then Miss Barton led him through the departments of the enormous store."
My greatest headline ever.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/01/can-you-cope-with-two-massive-elections-at-the-same-time/
https://twitter.com/CoysPeter/status/1662363678799175681/photo/1
Edit: The 'more tweets' section below the replies is also what you'd expect - Corbyn and Roger Waters are not anti-semites. Something a 'banned' Corbyn film (which I keep reading about being screened places despite being 'banned') going to Glastonbury and how long before it is labelled anti-semitic, that Roger Waters is a legend, etc.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65734664
"Just Stop Oil protesters forced a stoppage of the Gallagher Premiership final between Saracens and Sale at Twickenham.
Two men came on to the pitch during the first half and threw orange paint powder on the playing surface.
Stewards escorted them away to cheers from the crowd before the match resumed."
3 December 2020:
The government has unveiled plans to ban the export of live animals for slaughter and fattening.
The proposals form part of an eight-week consultation, launched by Defra secretary George Eustice in England and Wales on Thursday (3 December), seeking views on how to better protect animal welfare during transport.
“We are committed to improving the welfare of animals at all stages of life. Today marks a major step forward in delivering on our manifesto commitment to end live exports for slaughter,” said Mr Eustice.
“Now that we have left the EU, we have an opportunity to end this unnecessary practice. We want to ensure that animals are spared stress prior to slaughter.”
https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/health-welfare/government-proposes-ban-on-live-animal-exports-for-slaughter
26 May 2023:
Rishi Sunak’s government has ditched a bill that would effectively have banned the export of live farmed animals for fattening and slaughter.
In a statement to the House of Commons on Thursday 25 May, Defra farming minister Mark Spencer confirmed the government was dropping the Kept Animals Bill.
Mr Spencer told MPs that while animal welfare “has been a key priority of the government”, the legislation “risked being extended far beyond the original commitments in the manifesto”.
But he insisted the government would be “taking forward measures in the Kept Animals Bill individually during the remainder of this parliament”.
The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation said it was disappointed by the government’s decision to drop the bill.
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/farm-policy/uk-government-drops-bill-to-end-live-animal-exports
Whoever leads to day should win
Cmon Big G (not the PB one) but Welsh
EDIT: I guess the title from previous posts.
At one point, it looked like Bayern were going to be in the position of Man Utd in 95.
I’m backing Luton to win today.
I wonder if they’ll have a go at the Rugby League final!
The option is now there to do it. All it takes is a Government with some compassion.
The belief there is no real difference between fact and opinion has now massively infected even traditionally quality papers, both in what they cover and how they cover it.
It would be interesting if someone computed the average too.
Within an article, the use of and prominence of sources is also the result of opinions.
Nick Palmer is much better placed to comment on this than I am but it is something we have both shared as a cause since our days in the BUAV. (which I believe was the first time I ever heard him speak)
https://conservativehome.com/2023/05/26/the-obrs-estimates-about-the-cost-of-leaving-the-eu-disregards-some-of-the-key-benefits/
Surely what matters is journey time, not borders. The animals know nothing about lines on maps.
https://www.economist.com/podcasts
The Continent's ultimate triumph over GranBretan?
Clearly transporting animals in a way that needs multiple modes of transport (road, rail, sea, air) is going to add to the stress, but I believe that sort of thing can be accounted for without resorting to an outright ban. As long as we don't treat the idea of crossing a border as a proxy for the real issues of journey time and comfort.
Sad news from ITV
https://news.sky.com/story/itv-news-journalist-emily-morgan-has-died-broadcaster-says-12891107
When was the last time a UK general election coincided with a US Presidential election? I'm talking about within one month of each other.
This is the scenario we may find ourselves in next year.
Fair play to Macron whose idea it was and backed by UK
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/27/observer-view-on-moldova-britain-must-join-eu-against-russian-threat?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Discussed this issue earlier on this year
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2023/01/01/can-you-cope-with-two-massive-elections-at-the-same-time/
Edit: (1922 and 1935 it seems for Nov GE)
For 2024, the equivalent dates would be Thursday October 31st and Tuesday November 5th.
24/10/24 for the next UK General Election? Any thoughts?
Trees!
The Economist is extraordinarily woke on social issues these days, though still occasionally nods towards its free trade roots in economics. But it mirrors the biases of lefty London and New York, from whom, after all, it draws most of its employees, for better and worse.
If you read it with that filter, it's fine, and as a source for information on Indonesian opposition movements, new ways of farming in Rwanda or the Peruvian Supreme Court scandal it's unmatched.
The House scheduled an afternoon start for debate on whether to impeach and suspend Paxton from office over allegations of bribery, unfitness for office and abuse of public trust.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/27/texas-gop-held-house-set-for-impeachment-proceedings-against-ag-ken-paxton-00099096
proceedings scheduled to commence 1pm Central = 7pm UK; see link for live stream:
https://house.texas.gov/video-audio/
San Antonio Current - Want to watch Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's impeachment proceeding? Here's how.
The Texas House of Representatives at 1 p.m. Saturday will debate a resolution to impeach Attorney General Ken Paxton, according to the House General Investigating Committee.
In a memo, the committee said the proceeding is necessary to address the Republican attorney general's “long-standing pattern of abuse of office and public trust.” The panel also warned that, without such an action, Paxton could "further obstruct and delay justice."
The proceeding will be available for viewing on the Texas House livestream. You're on your own when it comes to popping popcorn for the show.
The debate is expected to last four hours with time evenly split between those who support Paxton's impeachment and those who oppose, according to the committee memo. If the House votes for impeachment, the embattled AG would face trial in the Texas Senate.
If you need a rundown of the articles of impeachment, all 20 are summarized right here.
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/want-to-watch-texas-attorney-general-ken-paxtons-impeachment-proceedings-heres-how-31817302
Independently though if you ever need a similarly entirely trustworthy player in some game or other (HoI4?) then I'd be up for it.