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  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,335
    Turns out the US secrets leaker was a potential mass murderer: large gun collection, bedroom decorated in military style camo, fantasised about methods of killing as many people as possible in discord chats: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1651511991381508096

    Sounds like the people who worked out who they were did more than a service to the Ukranians; looks like this guy was a timebomb waiting to go off in the US as well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,141
    Selebian said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Glad you aren't saying that 'performative' anti-racism (like answering a survey that you wouldn't mind a foreign neighbour) is what really causes racism, as some do!

    I think you've got to take this kind of survey with a little pinch of salt - definitions of what people think of as an immigrant or foreign worker or 'different race' can change a bit in different places, and over time. And there is definitely an effect that in some places it is a lot more socially unacceptable to admit to being racist than in others. But still probably fair to say that in some ways Britain is one of the least racist countries, I think, though as a white person I don't think I have ever really suffered from racism anywhere so not really for me to say!

    I find Brazil a more interesting result in that survey.
    Another way of looking at the question is asking people whether they think their country has a problem with racism - generally those least accepting a neighbour of a different race don’t, (eg Russia) while those most accepting do (eg U.K.).
    I think someone posted some stats the other day, that the rate of intermarriage between ethnic groups in the UK is higher than a number of other countries.
    That would need to be normed to prevalence of different ethnic groups (it may have been) otherwise, in equally (non-)racist societies, you'd tend to get higher rates in societies with higher population of minority ethnic groups.
    IIRC it was the rate at which the ethnic minorities "married out".

    I recall a rather anguished article in the Guardian, concerning black people getting middle class and leaving London, to live in the Home Counties. Apparently this was bad, because they risked losing their "unique identity" by their children marrying the locals....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Selebian said:

    City of the Enlightenment

    Edinburgh University - where the first cohort of female students matriculated - is now a place where masked men and ‘boy pussy’ are allowed to intimidate women, with academic staff cheerleading the bullies.

    https://twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1651499028985593857?s=20

    Without additional context, I'm struggling to see what is problematic in those images. The masks picture is undated, but I'm assuming Covid-related? If not, the person in the red jacket is doing a piss-poor job at hiding identity or being intimidating with that mask!
    The censorship of free speech at Edinburgh University last night was shameful.

    I have written to the Provost – again – to address what happened 👇




    https://twitter.com/TessWhite4NE/status/1651511739874263042?s=20

    Embarrassing that the “City of Enlightenment” should be the last hold out of “No Debate” with the University conniving in suppressing free speech.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718
    Surely the problem for the former Soviet states after 1990 was that they started off as basket cases. The only way was up!
    In some cases, of course, they’ve done better than others.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,435
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    If you have a point, it is hidden by labelling anything you do not like as "lefty opinion". Why is the United Nations "lefty" for instance?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,466
    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    What title would you give Liz Truss’ semi-autobiographical manifesto?


    Every time you hear about a book you are not going to read under any circumstances whatsoever and even if paid handsomely for doing so you save about 3 evenings of your life. These add up. Not reading anything by Russell Brand has added a fortnight to my life so far.
    You need to do a full benefit analysis, where the avoided damage to brain cells, mental health and also stress/anger triggers of cardiovascular problems is also considered. We could be talking years here!
    That must be Truss's secret plan, then.

    Annoy everyone so much that our life expectancy is reduced and the pension problem melts away.

    Such a patriotic public servant. The greatest Prime Minister we never had.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,208

    Selebian said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Glad you aren't saying that 'performative' anti-racism (like answering a survey that you wouldn't mind a foreign neighbour) is what really causes racism, as some do!

    I think you've got to take this kind of survey with a little pinch of salt - definitions of what people think of as an immigrant or foreign worker or 'different race' can change a bit in different places, and over time. And there is definitely an effect that in some places it is a lot more socially unacceptable to admit to being racist than in others. But still probably fair to say that in some ways Britain is one of the least racist countries, I think, though as a white person I don't think I have ever really suffered from racism anywhere so not really for me to say!

    I find Brazil a more interesting result in that survey.
    Another way of looking at the question is asking people whether they think their country has a problem with racism - generally those least accepting a neighbour of a different race don’t, (eg Russia) while those most accepting do (eg U.K.).
    I think someone posted some stats the other day, that the rate of intermarriage between ethnic groups in the UK is higher than a number of other countries.
    That would need to be normed to prevalence of different ethnic groups (it may have been) otherwise, in equally (non-)racist societies, you'd tend to get higher rates in societies with higher population of minority ethnic groups.
    IIRC it was the rate at which the ethnic minorities "married out".

    I recall a rather anguished article in the Guardian, concerning black people getting middle class and leaving London, to live in the Home Counties. Apparently this was bad, because they risked losing their "unique identity" by their children marrying the locals....
    Sounds interesting, do you have a link?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,945
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    The thing is you may come out with a valid point on something but then you completely devalue and destroy it by your ridiculous level of exaggeration and hyperbole. Your reply completely ignored everything I actually said. Of course there are nutters who believe anything. I just wonder how different are you in this context, with your exaggerations, to others who believe stuff like 'Britain is a racist hellhole'. You all go to ridiculous extremes.

    Now what was wrong with what I said, namely:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    Unless that is a pun on ‘getting wood’ I don’t think lack of trees was ever a problem for the Kildans. They had lots of other problems tho. Tiny gene pool. Brutal seas. A need to climb impossibly dangerous cliffs to access pufflings. Etc

    Apparently they never learned to fish, or never really bothered. And they generally couldn’t swim. They were intoxicatingly weird
    I used to be quite into St. Kilda too - I remember a lot of weird shit they did (wasn't there some weird rite they did with new born babies which was terribly unhygienic and resulted in a lot of premature deaths?) and I remember the shoes bit but I don't remember the sex-mad heathens. I do remember the particularly dour Prebyterianism they imported dooming them rather, if only because a subsistence economy such as theirs couldn't really afford to take a day of doing nothing every week.

    I think the trees issue might be a confusion with Easter Island (where they cut down all the trees and then had no source of wood for boat building so couldn't leave the island)? St. Kilda, I think, never had trees. Too windy. (So the government's choice of employment for islanders they resettled to the mainland in the 1930s of foresters on Ardnamurchan wasn't obviously playing to their strengths.)
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,335
    edited April 2023
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    If you have a point, it is hidden by labelling anything you do not like as "lefty opinion". Why is the United Nations "lefty" for instance?
    We can agree the guardian is lefty, yes?

    Ok, so:

    ‘Britain ‘not close to being a racially just society’, finds two-year research project‘

    Guardian April 23

    ‘The truth is out: Britain’s immigration system is racist, and always has been‘

    Guardian May 22

    ‘Harry and Meghan are right about racist Britain in their Netflix series’

    Guardian December 22


    ‘ We can’t keep denying structural racism exists in Britain’

    Guardian, yesterday

    Most women of colour ‘hide’ their heritage due to UK workplace racism‘

    Guardian, June 22

    And on and on and on. I could find literally 100s of examples just in The Guardian, all wanking themselves stupid about how Britain is evil and racist. It’s what they do. It gets their rocks off
    Smugly confirming the biases of your readership is the job of every newspaper comment article ever written: If you don’t see it in the paper you choose to read, then that probably says more about (generic you, not you spicifically Leon) you than the paper!

    The Guardian’s brand of smug sort-of left wing but not always commentary drives a lot of actual left people round the twist as well fwiw.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,208
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    If you have a point, it is hidden by labelling anything you do not like as "lefty opinion". Why is the United Nations "lefty" for instance?
    We can agree the guardian is lefty, yes?

    Ok, so:

    ‘Britain ‘not close to being a racially just society’, finds two-year research project‘

    Guardian April 23

    ‘The truth is out: Britain’s immigration system is racist, and always has been‘

    Guardian May 22

    ‘Harry and Meghan are right about racist Britain in their Netflix series’

    Guardian December 22


    ‘ We can’t keep denying structural racism exists in Britain’

    Guardian, yesterday

    Most women of colour ‘hide’ their heritage due to UK workplace racism‘

    Guardian, June 22

    And on and on and on. I could find literally 100s of examples just in The Guardian, all wanking themselves stupid about how Britain is evil and racist. It’s what they do. It gets their rocks off
    Umm - it's a British newspaper. There's bound to be more reporting of racism in Britain than in other countries. Unless those articles actually say Britain is more racist than other places, all you're saying is that people reporting on racism annoys you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,967
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    Just been reading about the last holdout of Cockneydom. Apparently it's Epping Forest - your manor. You've kept this quiet.
    Cockneys who have made some money generally, plus city commuters and farmers whose families who have been here for generations in the more rural areas make up Epping Forest. Plenty of cockneys across south Essex of course, probably more than in the East End of London now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,967
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Depends. Under new leadership the SNP or its successor party (!) might become actual civic nationalists. Accepting that secession is not going to happen soon, working for more autonomy and trying to govern better. This is what happened in Quebec

    There are 2 problems with your thesis

    The current SNP leadership claim they are already actual civic nationalists, so no change there.

    Unlike the Canadian cheese-eating surrender monkeys the SNP zoomers are a bit more Braveheart. Never give up, never surrender !!!
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Depends. Under new leadership the SNP or its successor party (!) might become actual civic nationalists. Accepting that secession is not going to happen soon, working for more autonomy and trying to govern better. This is what happened in Quebec

    There are 2 problems with your thesis

    The current SNP leadership claim they are already actual civic nationalists, so no change there.

    Unlike the Canadian cheese-eating surrender monkeys the SNP zoomers are a bit more Braveheart. Never give up, never surrender !!!
    You have clearly never encountered a proper Quebec Nationalist, especially of the 1990s vintage. They make malcolmg look like a Lib Dem from Surbiton

    They are - or were - extremely punchy. Literally
    Indeed, 49% of Quebecois voted to leave Canada in 1995 after an aggressive campaign No narrowly won
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Agree that the peers should be wearing robes. When are they for, if not a coronation?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,945
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    What a ridiculous title
    Isn’t that half the point of it? We still have the annual State Opening of Parliament, which starts with Black Rod having the door shut in his (or her) face.

    Most of us have never seen a Coronation before, it’s going to be fun to watch precisely for the over-the-top pageantry and tradition, even if much of it appears absurd.

    It’ll also drive a lot of inbound tourism over the summer, although not as much as dropping VAT-free shopping might.
    The Queen's coronation was of course in a very different age with many not even owning televisions and it was a huge event and whilst being agnostic towards the monarchy it does live long in my memory.

    I just do not see today's generation being as impressed as those witnessing it in 1953 nor the outdated and subservient nature of it

    However, there are those who very much support the monarchy and it is their day and I hope they enjoy it
    Is King Charles making it worse though? First, the point of the coronation needs to be explained. Second, the King intervening, for instance to get rid of the dukes in robes and replace them with old white guys in suits, takes away the spectacle, the shock and awe, and risks turning it into the self-indulgent junket he is trying to avoid.
    Completely agree. The whole point of a Coronation - indeed of a monarchy - is the ridiculous pomp and circumstance, and the ancient undying traditions. The Queen knew that. Charles is a dick
    On this we agree. I'm not a monarchist, although I also don't have a burning desire to get rid of them either, but if we are going to do this stuff then do it properly. For me it is the sole reason for their being. The dukes in particular should definitely be in their robes. The more ridiculous the better. I want gold carriages, a fly past, trumpets, silly costumes, etc, etc.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,913

    Agree that the peers should be wearing robes. When are they for, if not a coronation?

    If the monarchy refuses to hold absurd ritualistic ceremonies with grandiose clothing, perhaps we should have a Republic to ensure that the People have the public spectacles that they want.

    The new ceremonies could start with the ritual firing of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    The thing is you may come out with a valid point on something but then you completely devalue and destroy it by your ridiculous level of exaggeration and hyperbole. Your reply completely ignored everything I actually said. Of course there are nutters who believe anything. I just wonder how different are you in this context, with your exaggerations, to others who believe stuff like 'Britain is a racist hellhole'. You all go to ridiculous extremes.

    Now what was wrong with what I said, namely:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists
    TBF I do tend to skim your comments on the grounds that you’re really quite boring. So I may have misunderstood. Soz
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832

    Selebian said:

    City of the Enlightenment

    Edinburgh University - where the first cohort of female students matriculated - is now a place where masked men and ‘boy pussy’ are allowed to intimidate women, with academic staff cheerleading the bullies.

    https://twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1651499028985593857?s=20

    Without additional context, I'm struggling to see what is problematic in those images. The masks picture is undated, but I'm assuming Covid-related? If not, the person in the red jacket is doing a piss-poor job at hiding identity or being intimidating with that mask!
    The censorship of free speech at Edinburgh University last night was shameful.

    I have written to the Provost – again – to address what happened 👇




    https://twitter.com/TessWhite4NE/status/1651511739874263042?s=20

    Embarrassing that the “City of Enlightenment” should be the last hold out of “No Debate” with the University conniving in suppressing free speech.
    Thanks for the context. If they were blocking access to an event then shouldn't the University security either have dealt with it or called the police?

    I'd strongly support their right to protest, but also the right for the event to go ahead without disruption or initimidation. If protestors crossed that line then it's up to the University to deal with it, with police involvement if necessary.

    Looking again at the original pics - is the second one depicting blocking the entrance? If so, they should have been moved aside. The others still don't look bad to me - third a protest behind barriers; the last looks entirely peaceful and not a blockade or intimidating (the lady sat down could be blocking something I guess.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,162
    edited April 2023
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,435
    ICYMI the Commons is currently talking about Voter ID.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,208
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    What a ridiculous title
    Isn’t that half the point of it? We still have the annual State Opening of Parliament, which starts with Black Rod having the door shut in his (or her) face.

    Most of us have never seen a Coronation before, it’s going to be fun to watch precisely for the over-the-top pageantry and tradition, even if much of it appears absurd.

    It’ll also drive a lot of inbound tourism over the summer, although not as much as dropping VAT-free shopping might.
    The Queen's coronation was of course in a very different age with many not even owning televisions and it was a huge event and whilst being agnostic towards the monarchy it does live long in my memory.

    I just do not see today's generation being as impressed as those witnessing it in 1953 nor the outdated and subservient nature of it

    However, there are those who very much support the monarchy and it is their day and I hope they enjoy it
    Is King Charles making it worse though? First, the point of the coronation needs to be explained. Second, the King intervening, for instance to get rid of the dukes in robes and replace them with old white guys in suits, takes away the spectacle, the shock and awe, and risks turning it into the self-indulgent junket he is trying to avoid.
    Completely agree. The whole point of a Coronation - indeed of a monarchy - is the ridiculous pomp and circumstance, and the ancient undying traditions. The Queen knew that. Charles is a dick
    On this we agree. I'm not a monarchist, although I also don't have a burning desire to get rid of them either, but if we are going to do this stuff then do it properly. For me it is the sole reason for their being. The dukes in particular should definitely be in their robes. The more ridiculous the better. I want gold carriages, a fly past, trumpets, silly costumes, etc, etc.
    Maybe, bearing in mind this is going to be televised worldwide, the powers that be have some research that says making it too ridiculous and outdated will do too much harm to the Made in Britain brand.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079

    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.

    Which verb would you use? I don't want it to be catapult, because surely catapulting is surely what a catapult does, not a trebuchet. And trebucheting is an ugly word. Perhaps we need to invent one, if one does not exist.


    "ritual thwanging of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet", perhaps.

  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832

    Selebian said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Glad you aren't saying that 'performative' anti-racism (like answering a survey that you wouldn't mind a foreign neighbour) is what really causes racism, as some do!

    I think you've got to take this kind of survey with a little pinch of salt - definitions of what people think of as an immigrant or foreign worker or 'different race' can change a bit in different places, and over time. And there is definitely an effect that in some places it is a lot more socially unacceptable to admit to being racist than in others. But still probably fair to say that in some ways Britain is one of the least racist countries, I think, though as a white person I don't think I have ever really suffered from racism anywhere so not really for me to say!

    I find Brazil a more interesting result in that survey.
    Another way of looking at the question is asking people whether they think their country has a problem with racism - generally those least accepting a neighbour of a different race don’t, (eg Russia) while those most accepting do (eg U.K.).
    I think someone posted some stats the other day, that the rate of intermarriage between ethnic groups in the UK is higher than a number of other countries.
    That would need to be normed to prevalence of different ethnic groups (it may have been) otherwise, in equally (non-)racist societies, you'd tend to get higher rates in societies with higher population of minority ethnic groups.
    IIRC it was the rate at which the ethnic minorities "married out".

    I recall a rather anguished article in the Guardian, concerning black people getting middle class and leaving London, to live in the Home Counties. Apparently this was bad, because they risked losing their "unique identity" by their children marrying the locals....
    Hmm, maybe a bit of logic fail by me - for the white population the likelihood of marrying non-white (in non-racist) society increases with increased non-white population. But somewhat the reverse for the non-white population - chances of finding a partner of same ethnic group increases if there are more potential partners in that group. Might be quite an interesting relationship there, particularly when you factor in conservatism, but not outright hostility, within both populations (i.e. do you send your kids to a faith school of mostly same community etc, not do you try to force within-group marriage).
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Cookie, shoot, launch, or perhaps loose.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Depends. Under new leadership the SNP or its successor party (!) might become actual civic nationalists. Accepting that secession is not going to happen soon, working for more autonomy and trying to govern better. This is what happened in Quebec

    There are 2 problems with your thesis

    The current SNP leadership claim they are already actual civic nationalists, so no change there.

    Unlike the Canadian cheese-eating surrender monkeys the SNP zoomers are a bit more Braveheart. Never give up, never surrender !!!
    "Never give up, never surrender !!!"

    Yousless cast as Malthesar in "Galaxy Quest"?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,913

    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.

    I'm sure loads of people have fired trebuchets, but perhaps that's something a little different...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    What a ridiculous title
    Isn’t that half the point of it? We still have the annual State Opening of Parliament, which starts with Black Rod having the door shut in his (or her) face.

    Most of us have never seen a Coronation before, it’s going to be fun to watch precisely for the over-the-top pageantry and tradition, even if much of it appears absurd.

    It’ll also drive a lot of inbound tourism over the summer, although not as much as dropping VAT-free shopping might.
    The Queen's coronation was of course in a very different age with many not even owning televisions and it was a huge event and whilst being agnostic towards the monarchy it does live long in my memory.

    I just do not see today's generation being as impressed as those witnessing it in 1953 nor the outdated and subservient nature of it

    However, there are those who very much support the monarchy and it is their day and I hope they enjoy it
    Is King Charles making it worse though? First, the point of the coronation needs to be explained. Second, the King intervening, for instance to get rid of the dukes in robes and replace them with old white guys in suits, takes away the spectacle, the shock and awe, and risks turning it into the self-indulgent junket he is trying to avoid.
    Completely agree. The whole point of a Coronation - indeed of a monarchy - is the ridiculous pomp and circumstance, and the ancient undying traditions. The Queen knew that. Charles is a dick
    On this we agree. I'm not a monarchist, although I also don't have a burning desire to get rid of them either, but if we are going to do this stuff then do it properly. For me it is the sole reason for their being. The dukes in particular should definitely be in their robes. The more ridiculous the better. I want gold carriages, a fly past, trumpets, silly costumes, etc, etc.
    Quite so. Also, it’s not like we have a Coronation every couple of years. This is the first in seven decades! Put out more flags. Give us the full Monty. And bring out the koh-i-noor
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,162
    Phil said:

    Turns out the US secrets leaker was a potential mass murderer: large gun collection, bedroom decorated in military style camo, fantasised about methods of killing as many people as possible in discord chats: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1651511991381508096

    Sounds like the people who worked out who they were did more than a service to the Ukranians; looks like this guy was a timebomb waiting to go off in the US as well.

    But he was a good, god fearing boy according to his defenders!
    Which of course doesn’t stop him being a potential mass murderer, quite the reverse..
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    Cookie said:

    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.

    Which verb would you use? I don't want it to be catapult, because surely catapulting is surely what a catapult does, not a trebuchet. And trebucheting is an ugly word. Perhaps we need to invent one, if one does not exist.


    "ritual thwanging of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet", perhaps.

    Caerphilly castle used to launch (shoot, loose) watermelons (I think) into the moat from theirs.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,945
    edited April 2023
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    The thing is you may come out with a valid point on something but then you completely devalue and destroy it by your ridiculous level of exaggeration and hyperbole. Your reply completely ignored everything I actually said. Of course there are nutters who believe anything. I just wonder how different are you in this context, with your exaggerations, to others who believe stuff like 'Britain is a racist hellhole'. You all go to ridiculous extremes.

    Now what was wrong with what I said, namely:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists
    TBF I do tend to skim your comments on the grounds that you’re really quite boring. So I may have misunderstood. Soz
    And there you go again. That was completely unnecessary. It happens every time you lose an argument with me, @kinabalu, @ianb2, etc. You have a standard set of insults. There seems to be 3 - Boring, lack of intelligence compared to you, and most bizarrely gay.

    I have no idea why you do it because you don't come out very well from it. Continuing the discussion, or just not, is surely the better look.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,162
    edited April 2023
    kamski said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    What a ridiculous title
    Isn’t that half the point of it? We still have the annual State Opening of Parliament, which starts with Black Rod having the door shut in his (or her) face.

    Most of us have never seen a Coronation before, it’s going to be fun to watch precisely for the over-the-top pageantry and tradition, even if much of it appears absurd.

    It’ll also drive a lot of inbound tourism over the summer, although not as much as dropping VAT-free shopping might.
    The Queen's coronation was of course in a very different age with many not even owning televisions and it was a huge event and whilst being agnostic towards the monarchy it does live long in my memory.

    I just do not see today's generation being as impressed as those witnessing it in 1953 nor the outdated and subservient nature of it

    However, there are those who very much support the monarchy and it is their day and I hope they enjoy it
    Is King Charles making it worse though? First, the point of the coronation needs to be explained. Second, the King intervening, for instance to get rid of the dukes in robes and replace them with old white guys in suits, takes away the spectacle, the shock and awe, and risks turning it into the self-indulgent junket he is trying to avoid.
    Completely agree. The whole point of a Coronation - indeed of a monarchy - is the ridiculous pomp and circumstance, and the ancient undying traditions. The Queen knew that. Charles is a dick
    On this we agree. I'm not a monarchist, although I also don't have a burning desire to get rid of them either, but if we are going to do this stuff then do it properly. For me it is the sole reason for their being. The dukes in particular should definitely be in their robes. The more ridiculous the better. I want gold carriages, a fly past, trumpets, silly costumes, etc, etc.
    Maybe, bearing in mind this is going to be televised worldwide, the powers that be have some research that says making it too ridiculous and outdated will do too much harm to the Made in Britain brand.
    Could work for Unicorn Kingdom though?

    https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1650483873115979776?s=20
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,243
    .
    Cookie said:

    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.

    Which verb would you use? I don't want it to be catapult, because surely catapulting is surely what a catapult does, not a trebuchet. And trebucheting is an ugly word. Perhaps we need to invent one, if one does not exist.


    "ritual thwanging of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet", perhaps.

    Lob seems adequate.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,929

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    What a ridiculous title
    Isn’t that half the point of it? We still have the annual State Opening of Parliament, which starts with Black Rod having the door shut in his (or her) face.

    Most of us have never seen a Coronation before, it’s going to be fun to watch precisely for the over-the-top pageantry and tradition, even if much of it appears absurd.

    It’ll also drive a lot of inbound tourism over the summer, although not as much as dropping VAT-free shopping might.
    The Queen's coronation was of course in a very different age with many not even owning televisions and it was a huge event and whilst being agnostic towards the monarchy it does live long in my memory.

    I just do not see today's generation being as impressed as those witnessing it in 1953 nor the outdated and subservient nature of it

    However, there are those who very much support the monarchy and it is their day and I hope they enjoy it
    Is King Charles making it worse though? First, the point of the coronation needs to be explained. Second, the King intervening, for instance to get rid of the dukes in robes and replace them with old white guys in suits, takes away the spectacle, the shock and awe, and risks turning it into the self-indulgent junket he is trying to avoid.
    I'd say it's perfect for TV (or whatever) - like the State Opening of Parliament.

    A live performance of our constitutional history.

    What's not to like?
  • Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    Unless that is a pun on ‘getting wood’ I don’t think lack of trees was ever a problem for the Kildans. They had lots of other problems tho. Tiny gene pool. Brutal seas. A need to climb impossibly dangerous cliffs to access pufflings. Etc

    Apparently they never learned to fish, or never really bothered. And they generally couldn’t swim. They were intoxicatingly weird
    I used to be quite into St. Kilda too - I remember a lot of weird shit they did (wasn't there some weird rite they did with new born babies which was terribly unhygienic and resulted in a lot of premature deaths?) and I remember the shoes bit but I don't remember the sex-mad heathens. I do remember the particularly dour Prebyterianism they imported dooming them rather, if only because a subsistence economy such as theirs couldn't really afford to take a day of doing nothing every week.

    I think the trees issue might be a confusion with Easter Island (where they cut down all the trees and then had no source of wood for boat building so couldn't leave the island)? St. Kilda, I think, never had trees. Too windy. (So the government's choice of employment for islanders they resettled to the mainland in the 1930s of foresters on Ardnamurchan wasn't obviously playing to their strengths.)
    The no swimming thing might have been religious i.e. trust in the Lord to save you.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,929
    edited April 2023
    Phil said:

    Turns out the US secrets leaker was a potential mass murderer: large gun collection, bedroom decorated in military style camo, fantasised about methods of killing as many people as possible in discord chats: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1651511991381508096

    Sounds like the people who worked out who they were did more than a service to the Ukranians; looks like this guy was a timebomb waiting to go off in the US as well.

    I'd say the US Security Vetting system has some serious control problems at the margins, in that 1m+ people get access to such intelligence, may of them of crazily young ages.

    I was listening to a debate on Deutsche Welle about it - they thought the main effect would be embarrassment as the US sustem was assumed to be secure, and had the sense of humour to point out that in DE it would be seen as "expected".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,243
    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cookie said:

    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.

    Which verb would you use? I don't want it to be catapult, because surely catapulting is surely what a catapult does, not a trebuchet. And trebucheting is an ugly word. Perhaps we need to invent one, if one does not exist.


    "ritual thwanging of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet", perhaps.

    Lob seems adequate.
    Lob is perfect. "ritual lobbing of an effigy of the last king into the North Sea by trebuchet." Excellent. I suggest Ness Point, Lowestoft as a suitable location.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,557
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    Unless that is a pun on ‘getting wood’ I don’t think lack of trees was ever a problem for the Kildans. They had lots of other problems tho. Tiny gene pool. Brutal seas. A need to climb impossibly dangerous cliffs to access pufflings. Etc

    Apparently they never learned to fish, or never really bothered. And they generally couldn’t swim. They were intoxicatingly weird
    It was just a childish pun caused by boredom from Covid self-isolation.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,162
    edited April 2023
    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,335
    edited April 2023
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Cookie said:

    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.

    Which verb would you use? I don't want it to be catapult, because surely catapulting is surely what a catapult does, not a trebuchet. And trebucheting is an ugly word. Perhaps we need to invent one, if one does not exist.


    "ritual thwanging of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet", perhaps.

    Lob seems adequate.
    Throw?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,466

    Agree that the peers should be wearing robes. When are they for, if not a coronation?

    If the monarchy refuses to hold absurd ritualistic ceremonies with grandiose clothing, perhaps we should have a Republic to ensure that the People have the public spectacles that they want.

    The new ceremonies could start with the ritual firing of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet.
    Sometimes a compromise between two extremes gets you the best of both worlds, but sometimes it simply doesn't work at all. I wonder if monarchies are an example of the second.

    There is an absurdity in making the role of Top Person Embodying The Nation a hereditary thing, partly because having the role of Top Person Embodying The Nation is a bit absurd anyway. One way to deal with that is to lean into the absurd- the Carrier of the Gold Stick and all that. The other is to strip as much away as possible, a la Netherlands or Scandinavia. Which is also absurd, but in a subtler way.

    The risk for Charles is keeping some of the flummery (enough to annoy people who are annoyed by flummery) but not enough to properly wallow in.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,858
    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    I suspect they are worried that it might give an excuse to the EU and US authorities, which are yet to rule, to rule the same way. They might get an appeal through against one country, if only one country rules against, but if there is a domino effect...

    Every country so far (about six or eight, IIRC) has waved it through.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,557
    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    It did sound like a massive dose of sour grapes when I listened. His gripe is really that Microsoft won’t have huge dominance over cloud gaming which “isn’t fair” whereas other companies will likely see an environment where they can set up businesses in the sector and be protected from anti-competitive moves as a bonus and therefore an attractive place to do business.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,162
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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

  • The correct verb for when you use a trebuchet is to ejaculate.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,435
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    I suspect they are worried that it might give an excuse to the EU and US authorities, which are yet to rule, to rule the same way. They might get an appeal through against one country, if only one country rules against, but if there is a domino effect...

    Every country so far (about six or eight, IIRC) has waved it through.
    According to tech news site The Register:-
    EU regulators are expected to approve the deal, but the US Federal Trade Commission has also objected to the merger in a case that's spilled into court. The FTC's arguments are largely the same as the CMA's – that the merger would stifle competition in the subscription and cloud gaming industries.
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/26/uk_regulators_block_microsofts_activision/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,858
    edited April 2023
    Government introduces a scheme for legally-binding advance decisions on customs calculations:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-service-launched-to-make-importing-easier-for-uk-traders

    Commentary from industry here:

    https://www.strongandherd.co.uk/introduction-of-customs-advanced-valuation-rulings
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079

    Agree that the peers should be wearing robes. When are they for, if not a coronation?

    If the monarchy refuses to hold absurd ritualistic ceremonies with grandiose clothing, perhaps we should have a Republic to ensure that the People have the public spectacles that they want.

    The new ceremonies could start with the ritual firing of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet.
    Sometimes a compromise between two extremes gets you the best of both worlds, but sometimes it simply doesn't work at all. I wonder if monarchies are an example of the second.

    There is an absurdity in making the role of Top Person Embodying The Nation a hereditary thing, partly because having the role of Top Person Embodying The Nation is a bit absurd anyway. One way to deal with that is to lean into the absurd- the Carrier of the Gold Stick and all that. The other is to strip as much away as possible, a la Netherlands or Scandinavia. Which is also absurd, but in a subtler way.

    The risk for Charles is keeping some of the flummery (enough to annoy people who are annoyed by flummery) but not enough to properly wallow in.
    Yes, good point.
    Either we go the whole hog, or we get the AB of C (dressed in a smart suit, mind, none of that silly hat rubbish), to shake his hand and say "right, it's your turn. Try not to fuck it up. Good luck" and send everyone off for a ham roll. This middle ground of trying to be relevant while retaining the pompery satisfies nobody.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,435
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    It did sound like a massive dose of sour grapes when I listened. His gripe is really that Microsoft won’t have huge dominance over cloud gaming which “isn’t fair” whereas other companies will likely see an environment where they can set up businesses in the sector and be protected from anti-competitive moves as a bonus and therefore an attractive place to do business.
    Yes, I think what the free market purists miss is, first, that businesses, especially established ones, quite like monopolies and are not anxious for competition; second, that in the short term, monopolies can be good for consumers too, as they need only one subscription to play all their games or watch all the EPL games. In the long term, competition is a good thing but a fair number of us may be dead.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,079

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    From that article: "Radio-carbon dating of one settlement in Village Glen indicates 3850 BC as the earliest settlement on Hirta." - they'd been there for nearly 6,000 years! Surely Britain 6,000 years ago was virtually empty. They could have chosen to live anywhere. And they chose St. Kilda.
    These were some very odd people indeed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,141
    edited April 2023
    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

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    Cookie said:

    Mr. Password, a trebuchet doesn't 'fire'. Tsk tsk.

    Which verb would you use? I don't want it to be catapult, because surely catapulting is surely what a catapult does, not a trebuchet. And trebucheting is an ugly word. Perhaps we need to invent one, if one does not exist.


    "ritual thwanging of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet", perhaps.

    Lob seems adequate.
    Lob is perfect. "ritual lobbing of an effigy of the last king into the North Sea by trebuchet." Excellent. I suggest Ness Point, Lowestoft as a suitable location.
    Hoist?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,029
    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    City of the Enlightenment

    Edinburgh University - where the first cohort of female students matriculated - is now a place where masked men and ‘boy pussy’ are allowed to intimidate women, with academic staff cheerleading the bullies.

    https://twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1651499028985593857?s=20

    Without additional context, I'm struggling to see what is problematic in those images. The masks picture is undated, but I'm assuming Covid-related? If not, the person in the red jacket is doing a piss-poor job at hiding identity or being intimidating with that mask!
    The censorship of free speech at Edinburgh University last night was shameful.

    I have written to the Provost – again – to address what happened 👇




    https://twitter.com/TessWhite4NE/status/1651511739874263042?s=20

    Embarrassing that the “City of Enlightenment” should be the last hold out of “No Debate” with the University conniving in suppressing free speech.
    Thanks for the context. If they were blocking access to an event then shouldn't the University security either have dealt with it or called the police?

    I'd strongly support their right to protest, but also the right for the event to go ahead without disruption or initimidation. If protestors crossed that line then it's up to the University to deal with it, with police involvement if necessary.

    Looking again at the original pics - is the second one depicting blocking the entrance? If so, they should have been moved aside. The others still don't look bad to me - third a protest behind barriers; the last looks entirely peaceful and not a blockade or intimidating (the lady sat down could be blocking something I guess.
    It’s just another in a long line of recent examples, from where authorities have taken the side of disruptive protestors, over the side of people wanting to get on with their lives.

    It’s something that will eventually lead to anarchy, and mainstream commentators are starting to pick up on it.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/26/if-the-police-wont-stop-the-eco-bullies-the-public-will/
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,913
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    It's because they eat fish. And the fish eat smaller fish. And the smaller fish eat even smaller fish. And the even smaller fish eat tiny baby fish. And the tiny baby fish eat plankton, I guess. Some of the plankton eat other plankton.

    So you have a very large number of levels of predation in which the heavy metals are concentrated at each level. Not so many levels of predation on the land, and heavy metal pollution will also tend to be more localised.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    The thing is you may come out with a valid point on something but then you completely devalue and destroy it by your ridiculous level of exaggeration and hyperbole. Your reply completely ignored everything I actually said. Of course there are nutters who believe anything. I just wonder how different are you in this context, with your exaggerations, to others who believe stuff like 'Britain is a racist hellhole'. You all go to ridiculous extremes.

    Now what was wrong with what I said, namely:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists
    TBF I do tend to skim your comments on the grounds that you’re really quite boring. So I may have misunderstood. Soz
    And there you go again. That was completely unnecessary. It happens every time you lose an argument with me, @kinabalu, @ianb2, etc. You have a standard set of insults. There seems to be 3 - Boring, lack of intelligence compared to you, and most bizarrely gay.

    I have no idea why you do it because you don't come out very well from it. Continuing the discussion, or just not, is surely the better look.
    No, I find you genuinely boring, and sometimes I like to point it out for the lolz. It’s fuck all to do with ‘losing an argument’ - I wasn’t even aware we were having an argument. Which in itself is a measure of how boring you are
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,335

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    In a related story: I remember reading about an artist who gave herself heavy metal poisoning from breathing in the dust from grinding & shaping the mussel shells she was using to make her sculptures.

    Natural does not necessarily imply healthy or wholesome!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    Did strike me as a bit MRDA….
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,913
    Cookie said:

    ..

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    From that article: "Radio-carbon dating of one settlement in Village Glen indicates 3850 BC as the earliest settlement on Hirta." - they'd been there for nearly 6,000 years! Surely Britain 6,000 years ago was virtually empty. They could have chosen to live anywhere. And they chose St. Kilda.
    These were some very odd people indeed.
    Worth remembering that, until quite recently, travelling by land was a lot slower than travelling by sea. Islands were less remote than the interior away from the coast. And then you have the wealth of the available seafood.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine running out of weapons and fears losing more territory - BBC

    Ukraine getting upper hand on front line - Al Jazeera

    OK think ones about Bakhmut and others about Kherson but looks like a long long War to me

    The ammunition situation for Ukraine is getting critical and probably delaying their Spring offensive. The alarm bells were ringing a while ago and there has been some response, especially from the US, but the burn rate in modern warfare is beyond the west’s current capacity.
    It’s going to end like Korea. In a muddy, stagnant armistice

    Russia will hold on to crimea. Dunno about the Donbas

    Both sides are exhausted and running out of energy, money and men

    The status quo will then drag on for decades
    Probably. If Ukraine can return to 2014 state of play I think western support then dries up, despite strong talk, as going beyond would probably be so much harder given how entrenched it is and it will be seen as time for a 'pause'

    Hope to be proven wrong.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Blimey, Microsoft are not happy about their deal being scuppered are they? Bit premature to declare the EU a better place to do business when the EU regulator has not ruled yet though.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,967
    edited April 2023
    Cookie said:

    Agree that the peers should be wearing robes. When are they for, if not a coronation?

    If the monarchy refuses to hold absurd ritualistic ceremonies with grandiose clothing, perhaps we should have a Republic to ensure that the People have the public spectacles that they want.

    The new ceremonies could start with the ritual firing of an effigy of the last King into the North Sea by Trebuchet.
    Sometimes a compromise between two extremes gets you the best of both worlds, but sometimes it simply doesn't work at all. I wonder if monarchies are an example of the second.

    There is an absurdity in making the role of Top Person Embodying The Nation a hereditary thing, partly because having the role of Top Person Embodying The Nation is a bit absurd anyway. One way to deal with that is to lean into the absurd- the Carrier of the Gold Stick and all that. The other is to strip as much away as possible, a la Netherlands or Scandinavia. Which is also absurd, but in a subtler way.

    The risk for Charles is keeping some of the flummery (enough to annoy people who are annoyed by flummery) but not enough to properly wallow in.
    Yes, good point.
    Either we go the whole hog, or we get the AB of C (dressed in a smart suit, mind, none of that silly hat rubbish), to shake his hand and say "right, it's your turn. Try not to fuck it up. Good luck" and send everyone off for a ham roll. This middle ground of trying to be relevant while retaining the pompery satisfies nobody.
    There will still be plenty of pomp. Just Charles is correctly reforming the monarchy and coronation for the UK of the 21st century. We are no longer a nation which still has an Empire and a House of Lords mainly filled with hereditary peers as we were at his
    mother's coronation. We are no longer a majority Christian nation as we were in the 1950s either.

    Hence there will be fewer British aristocrats invited and more charity leaders and foreign heads of state and monarchs instead. The Archbishop of Canterbury will still lead the ceremony but Roman Catholic and Pentecostal leaders will also say prayers and representatives of the Muslim, Jewish and Hindu faiths will be present too.

    The royal family appearing on the balcony will also only be working royals
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832

    The correct verb for when you use a trebuchet is to ejaculate.

    Saw a scaffolding company lorry this morning. The driver (I guess, as the colour didn't quite match the rest of the branding) had put a banner across the top of the windscreen reading 'erection specialist'.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,156
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    I suspect they are worried that it might give an excuse to the EU and US authorities, which are yet to rule, to rule the same way. They might get an appeal through against one country, if only one country rules against, but if there is a domino effect...

    Every country so far (about six or eight, IIRC) has waved it through.
    Are we about the smallest country who could do this? If Norway tried, they would presumably just withdraw from the Norwegian market of 5 million people instead of complying?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,865
    kle4 said:

    Blimey, Microsoft are not happy about their deal being scuppered are they? Bit premature to declare the EU a better place to do business when the EU regulator has not ruled yet though.

    'Dame Edna' always made the joke that the word 'Microsoft' reminded her of her husband. So sad that the peerless Barry Humphries has left us and we won't be hearing from the Dame again.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    What a ridiculous title
    Isn’t that half the point of it? We still have the annual State Opening of Parliament, which starts with Black Rod having the door shut in his (or her) face.

    Most of us have never seen a Coronation before, it’s going to be fun to watch precisely for the over-the-top pageantry and tradition, even if much of it appears absurd.

    It’ll also drive a lot of inbound tourism over the summer, although not as much as dropping VAT-free shopping might.
    The Queen's coronation was of course in a very different age with many not even owning televisions and it was a huge event and whilst being agnostic towards the monarchy it does live long in my memory.

    I just do not see today's generation being as impressed as those witnessing it in 1953 nor the outdated and subservient nature of it

    However, there are those who very much support the monarchy and it is their day and I hope they enjoy it
    Is King Charles making it worse though? First, the point of the coronation needs to be explained. Second, the King intervening, for instance to get rid of the dukes in robes and replace them with old white guys in suits, takes away the spectacle, the shock and awe, and risks turning it into the self-indulgent junket he is trying to avoid.
    Completely agree. The whole point of a Coronation - indeed of a monarchy - is the ridiculous pomp and circumstance, and the ancient undying traditions. The Queen knew that. Charles is a dick
    Removing some but not all pomp only renders it more silly not less. I'm surprised they didnt go for a very simple affair if they are that concerned about optics - meeting halfway only makes people demand you go the full way.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,435
    kle4 said:

    Blimey, Microsoft are not happy about their deal being scuppered are they? Bit premature to declare the EU a better place to do business when the EU regulator has not ruled yet though.

    Per the link posted earlier, the EU is expected to approve the deal. However, it is moot if the US FTC blocks it.
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/26/uk_regulators_block_microsofts_activision/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    I suspect they are worried that it might give an excuse to the EU and US authorities, which are yet to rule, to rule the same way. They might get an appeal through against one country, if only one country rules against, but if there is a domino effect...

    Every country so far (about six or eight, IIRC) has waved it through.
    According to tech news site The Register:-
    EU regulators are expected to approve the deal, but the US Federal Trade Commission has also objected to the merger in a case that's spilled into court. The FTC's arguments are largely the same as the CMA's – that the merger would stifle competition in the subscription and cloud gaming industries.
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/26/uk_regulators_block_microsofts_activision/
    Microsoft to quit america then.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,162
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    Leon said:

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Princess Anne to be 'gold stick in waiting' at the coronation

    https://twitter.com/Royal_Circular/status/1651314987753783296?s=20

    What a ridiculous title
    Isn’t that half the point of it? We still have the annual State Opening of Parliament, which starts with Black Rod having the door shut in his (or her) face.

    Most of us have never seen a Coronation before, it’s going to be fun to watch precisely for the over-the-top pageantry and tradition, even if much of it appears absurd.

    It’ll also drive a lot of inbound tourism over the summer, although not as much as dropping VAT-free shopping might.
    The Queen's coronation was of course in a very different age with many not even owning televisions and it was a huge event and whilst being agnostic towards the monarchy it does live long in my memory.

    I just do not see today's generation being as impressed as those witnessing it in 1953 nor the outdated and subservient nature of it

    However, there are those who very much support the monarchy and it is their day and I hope they enjoy it
    Is King Charles making it worse though? First, the point of the coronation needs to be explained. Second, the King intervening, for instance to get rid of the dukes in robes and replace them with old white guys in suits, takes away the spectacle, the shock and awe, and risks turning it into the self-indulgent junket he is trying to avoid.
    Completely agree. The whole point of a Coronation - indeed of a monarchy - is the ridiculous pomp and circumstance, and the ancient undying traditions. The Queen knew that. Charles is a dick
    On this we agree. I'm not a monarchist, although I also don't have a burning desire to get rid of them either, but if we are going to do this stuff then do it properly. For me it is the sole reason for their being. The dukes in particular should definitely be in their robes. The more ridiculous the better. I want gold carriages, a fly past, trumpets, silly costumes, etc, etc.
    I can see boring old white guys in suits any day of the week. They should have the decency to dress up like prats for the occasion. For the sake of us proles.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,913
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine running out of weapons and fears losing more territory - BBC

    Ukraine getting upper hand on front line - Al Jazeera

    OK think ones about Bakhmut and others about Kherson but looks like a long long War to me

    The ammunition situation for Ukraine is getting critical and probably delaying their Spring offensive. The alarm bells were ringing a while ago and there has been some response, especially from the US, but the burn rate in modern warfare is beyond the west’s current capacity.
    It’s going to end like Korea. In a muddy, stagnant armistice

    Russia will hold on to crimea. Dunno about the Donbas

    Both sides are exhausted and running out of energy, money and men

    The status quo will then drag on for decades
    Probably. If Ukraine can return to 2014 state of play I think western support then dries up, despite strong talk, as going beyond would probably be so much harder given how entrenched it is and it will be seen as time for a 'pause'

    Hope to be proven wrong.
    I think Ukraine have several major advantages in equipment and intelligence. The Russians have also caused massive damage to their forces with their last offensive which has achieved very little.

    The main areas of uncertainty I have are on ammunition supply and the quality of the training for the new Ukrainian units.

    There's a pretty good chance that the Ukrainians surprise everyone on the upside - again - and make major gains with their impending counteroffensive, which will hopefully encourage countries to provide further support to Ukraine so that they can finish the job.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    edited April 2023
    kle4 said:

    Blimey, Microsoft are not happy about their deal being scuppered are they? Bit premature to declare the EU a better place to do business when the EU regulator has not ruled yet though.

    I do think that companies that throw their toys out of the pram over adverse official decisions are probably fundamentally misunderstanding psychology, particularly within the public sector.

    Presumably, the theory is that next time it is confronted with a marginal decision, the decision maker will tend to err towards a favourable decision for fear of a repeat performance. In fact, I strongly suspect the reverse is true. That sort of aggression possibly works with colleagues, suppliers and so on who are dependent on you. But the natural reaction of a public body that isn't is quite likely to be "f*** you".
  • Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Talking about seabirds.

    Man caught performing sex act with a seagull in alleyway

    David Lee, 40, admitted to causing unnecessary suffering to the animal

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-caught-performing-sex-act-26790560
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    I suspect they are worried that it might give an excuse to the EU and US authorities, which are yet to rule, to rule the same way. They might get an appeal through against one country, if only one country rules against, but if there is a domino effect...

    Every country so far (about six or eight, IIRC) has waved it through.
    Are we about the smallest country who could do this? If Norway tried, they would presumably just withdraw from the Norwegian market of 5 million people instead of complying?
    People underestimate just how huge gaming in general is - you still see assertions it is or should be just a kids thing - and I'd guess bigger here than
    average. If it had a bit more heft in such matters against the big boys itd make sense.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,029

    kle4 said:

    Blimey, Microsoft are not happy about their deal being scuppered are they? Bit premature to declare the EU a better place to do business when the EU regulator has not ruled yet though.

    Per the link posted earlier, the EU is expected to approve the deal. However, it is moot if the US FTC blocks it.
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/26/uk_regulators_block_microsofts_activision/
    Sony in particular are spending a lot of effort lobbying in the US. Activision are one of the top PlayStation developers, and the Japanese company is somewhat concerned about a vertical monopoly being created, whereby dozens of titles and a lot of IP ends up being exclusive to one platform.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    I see Elizabeth Holmes has managed to avoid jail for at least a little while longer. She's the mother of a young child and I'm not one for lots of imprisonment generally, but when you're such a brazen and titanic fraud I do hope she serves at least some jail time soon.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

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    Leon said:

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,335
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Blimey, Microsoft are not happy about their deal being scuppered are they? Bit premature to declare the EU a better place to do business when the EU regulator has not ruled yet though.

    Per the link posted earlier, the EU is expected to approve the deal. However, it is moot if the US FTC blocks it.
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/26/uk_regulators_block_microsofts_activision/
    Sony in particular are spending a lot of effort lobbying in the US. Activision are one of the top PlayStation developers, and the Japanese company is somewhat concerned about a vertical monopoly being created, whereby dozens of titles and a lot of IP ends up being exclusive to one platform.
    I wonder if the recent shift to releasing a lot of previously PlayStation exclusive titles on PC is part of this?
  • Leon said:

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
    Far right journalist decides to visit St Kilda to see if it can be the new Madagascar for Muslims.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Ukraine running out of weapons and fears losing more territory - BBC

    Ukraine getting upper hand on front line - Al Jazeera

    OK think ones about Bakhmut and others about Kherson but looks like a long long War to me

    The ammunition situation for Ukraine is getting critical and probably delaying their Spring offensive. The alarm bells were ringing a while ago and there has been some response, especially from the US, but the burn rate in modern warfare is beyond the west’s current capacity.
    It’s going to end like Korea. In a muddy, stagnant armistice

    Russia will hold on to crimea. Dunno about the Donbas

    Both sides are exhausted and running out of energy, money and men

    The status quo will then drag on for decades
    Probably. If Ukraine can return to 2014 state of play I think western support then dries up, despite strong talk, as going beyond would probably be so much harder given how entrenched it is and it will be seen as time for a 'pause'

    Hope to be proven wrong.
    I think Ukraine have several major advantages in equipment and intelligence. The Russians have also caused massive damage to their forces with their last offensive which has achieved very little.

    The main areas of uncertainty I have are on ammunition supply and the quality of the training for the new Ukrainian units.

    There's a pretty good chance that the Ukrainians surprise everyone on the upside - again - and make major gains with their impending counteroffensive, which will hopefully encourage countries to provide further support to Ukraine so that they can finish the job.
    But what is “finishing the job” against a nuclear armed power governed by a tyrant? Marching on Moscow?

    Putin will not give up Crimea. I suspect that is the red line where he would seriously threaten tactical nukes or do a demo explosion over the Black Sea

    That show The Diplomat was good on this. When your enemy has nukes there is a limit to what you can do. Simple as
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,029
    kle4 said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is this just pique, or will there be consequences ?

    Furious Microsoft boss says confidence in UK 'severely shaken'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65407005

    I suspect they are worried that it might give an excuse to the EU and US authorities, which are yet to rule, to rule the same way. They might get an appeal through against one country, if only one country rules against, but if there is a domino effect...

    Every country so far (about six or eight, IIRC) has waved it through.
    Are we about the smallest country who could do this? If Norway tried, they would presumably just withdraw from the Norwegian market of 5 million people instead of complying?
    People underestimate just how huge gaming in general is - you still see assertions it is or should be just a kids thing - and I'd guess bigger here than
    average. If it had a bit more heft in such matters against the big boys itd make sense.
    In the US, the gaming industry is above movies, music, or sports. $200bn a year in revenues.
    https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/gaming-market-grows-beyond-cinema-sports-and-music/z03265
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    kle4 said:

    Blimey, Microsoft are not happy about their deal being scuppered are they? Bit premature to declare the EU a better place to do business when the EU regulator has not ruled yet though.

    I do think that companies that throw their toys out of the pram over adverse official decisions are probably fundamentally misunderstanding psychology, particularly within the public sector.

    Presumably, the theory is that next time it is confronted with a marginal decision, the decision maker will tend to err towards a favourable decision for fear of a repeat performance. In fact, I strongly suspect the reverse is true. That sort of aggression possibly works with colleagues, suppliers and so on who are dependent on you. But the natural reaction of a public body that isn't is quite likely to be "f*** you".
    Yes, even if you can pull investment and hit the country hard. Politicians like businesses but wouldn't go to bat for a company moaning like that.

    They might be trying to tap into general political arguments about the EU and the UK not performing well, but I dont think public, regulator or politicians would respond well to that sort of talk.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Cookie said:

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    From that article: "Radio-carbon dating of one settlement in Village Glen indicates 3850 BC as the earliest settlement on Hirta." - they'd been there for nearly 6,000 years! Surely Britain 6,000 years ago was virtually empty. They could have chosen to live anywhere. And they chose St. Kilda.
    These were some very odd people indeed.
    Worth remembering that, until quite recently, travelling by land was a lot slower than travelling by sea. Islands were less remote than the interior away from the coast. And then you have the wealth of the available seafood.
    But - IIRC - they rarely fished. They didn’t eat the fish all around them. Seabirds yes. Fish no

    Or so I was told by the guide who took me there. He said that in bad seasons they could get close to famine - despite being surrounded by vast shoals of lovely mackerel and cod and the rest
  • kle4 said:

    I see Elizabeth Holmes has managed to avoid jail for at least a little while longer. She's the mother of a young child and I'm not one for lots of imprisonment generally, but when you're such a brazen and titanic fraud I do hope she serves at least some jail time soon.

    IMO justice delayed is justice denied also applies to delays in convicted felons serving their time.
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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
    Far right journalist decides to visit St Kilda to see if it can be the new Madagascar for Muslims.
    ... and reviews the boiled seabird served at the island restaurant
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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
    Far right journalist decides to visit St Kilda to see if it can be the new Madagascar for Muslims.
    Tsk

    But - weirdly - that’s actually not bad. The way you tell the story is by an attempt to resettle the island. Some hippies maybe. Not Muslim hippies. Plain old woowoo hippies going off grid. Then the ghosts of the poisoned pagan past re-emerge


    OOOOH. The eco loons end up killing each other and wearing kittiwakes as slippers
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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
    Far right journalist decides to visit St Kilda to see if it can be the new Madagascar for Muslims.
    Tsk

    But - weirdly - that’s actually not bad. The way you tell the story is by an attempt to resettle the island. Some hippies maybe. Not Muslim hippies. Plain old woowoo hippies going off grid. Then the ghosts of the poisoned pagan past re-emerge


    OOOOH. The eco loons end up killing each other and wearing kittiwakes as slippers
    Isn't that the plot of The Wicker Man?
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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    From that article: "Radio-carbon dating of one settlement in Village Glen indicates 3850 BC as the earliest settlement on Hirta." - they'd been there for nearly 6,000 years! Surely Britain 6,000 years ago was virtually empty. They could have chosen to live anywhere. And they chose St. Kilda.
    These were some very odd people indeed.
    Worth remembering that, until quite recently, travelling by land was a lot slower than travelling by sea. Islands were less remote than the interior away from the coast. And then you have the wealth of the available seafood.
    But - IIRC - they rarely fished. They didn’t eat the fish all around them. Seabirds yes. Fish no

    Or so I was told by the guide who took me there. He said that in bad seasons they could get close to famine - despite being surrounded by vast shoals of lovely mackerel and cod and the rest
    St. Kilda sounds like a dystopia.

    Another dystopia (and I don't know if this is an urban legend or not). My deceased father in law told me about a pit village in Durham where incest was so rife, that the National Coal Board had to end up splitting up families and relocating them across the county.
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    Ukraine running out of weapons and fears losing more territory - BBC

    Ukraine getting upper hand on front line - Al Jazeera

    OK think ones about Bakhmut and others about Kherson but looks like a long long War to me

    The ammunition situation for Ukraine is getting critical and probably delaying their Spring offensive. The alarm bells were ringing a while ago and there has been some response, especially from the US, but the burn rate in modern warfare is beyond the west’s current capacity.
    It’s going to end like Korea. In a muddy, stagnant armistice

    Russia will hold on to crimea. Dunno about the Donbas

    Both sides are exhausted and running out of energy, money and men

    The status quo will then drag on for decades
    Probably. If Ukraine can return to 2014 state of play I think western support then dries up, despite strong talk, as going beyond would probably be so much harder given how entrenched it is and it will be seen as time for a 'pause'

    Hope to be proven wrong.
    I think Ukraine have several major advantages in equipment and intelligence. The Russians have also caused massive damage to their forces with their last offensive which has achieved very little.

    The main areas of uncertainty I have are on ammunition supply and the quality of the training for the new Ukrainian units.

    There's a pretty good chance that the Ukrainians surprise everyone on the upside - again - and make major gains with their impending counteroffensive, which will hopefully encourage countries to provide further support to Ukraine so that they can finish the job.
    But what is “finishing the job” against a nuclear armed power governed by a tyrant? Marching on Moscow?

    Putin will not give up Crimea. I suspect that is the red line where he would seriously threaten tactical nukes or do a demo explosion over the Black Sea

    That show The Diplomat was good on this. When your enemy has nukes there is a limit to what you can do. Simple as
    Ukraine's 1991 borders is finishing the job.

    Ukraine's strategy for retaining Crimea will be similar to the one that forced a Russian retreat from annexed Kherson (supposedly sovereign Russian territory in Russian eyes). Nuclear weapons won't help them there, and we've seen that China isn't happy with the nuclear rhetoric - the consequences for their ambitions would be very bad.

    If it weren't for nukes then NATO forces might already be in Moscow, so it's not like they're useless, but they're not going to be the determining factor in allowing a territorial conquest to be held onto.
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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    The idea that some of it wasn't racist is also ridiculous. You might not be and I believe no Brexiteer on here is, but it certainly existed in some numbers. You only had to canvas to find out, which I did. Some of it was bonkers as well. Two I remember well were ' There are too many Albanians here, you only have to see them on the crime programmes' and 'There are enough blacks here already'. Neither of which were going to be reversed by Brexit anyway and trying to explain was futile.
    Of course there are racists. On all sides. See the entire career of Diane Abbott

    My point is that the characterization of our entire nation as racist - on the basis that we voted Brexit and this annoyed a lot of people - was a repugnant lie. And still people trot it out

    Brits aren’t racist. And have not been for a long time

    I remember seeing a poll in the 1990s - long before Brexit - that showed exactly this. We are a tolerant people. We have to be because we are a crowded busy island and the only way to get by is to be acceptant, even indifferent

    What Brits don’t like is the sense that we are not in control of our borders. That powered the Brexit vote and that powers the anger at the boats. But that is not racism
    I don't think anyone claims or characterises the 'entire nation is racist'. Far from it. I don't understand where you get that from. It clearly isn't rational as you are complaining specifically about the 'whining remainery guardianists left'. Unless they are also hypocritically racist then by definition it can't be an 'entire nation' can it? And seeing as remain got 48% and seeing as clearly lots of Brexiteers also aren't racist it sounds like you are just exaggerating like mad. What is true is there was a subset of voters who voted leave because they were racist and for that specific reason. You may also find racist remainers, but they didn't vote remain because they were racist did they because that would be bonkers?

    So, we can conclude:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists

    Let's keep it rational
    You must be willfully blind or deaf if you don’t see lefty opinion that slights Britain as a racist hellhole

    Eg from that very same Unherd article linked above


    “The King’s study comes months after a UN working group claimed that ethnic minorities in Britain are “living in fear” as a result of systemic racism, and just two weeks after a separate report detailed that the UK is “not close to being a racially just society”. This new report provides a dramatic counterpoint, suggesting that Britain is, overall, a more welcoming place than its critics might suggest.“
    The thing is you may come out with a valid point on something but then you completely devalue and destroy it by your ridiculous level of exaggeration and hyperbole. Your reply completely ignored everything I actually said. Of course there are nutters who believe anything. I just wonder how different are you in this context, with your exaggerations, to others who believe stuff like 'Britain is a racist hellhole'. You all go to ridiculous extremes.

    Now what was wrong with what I said, namely:

    a) The entire nation is not racist, far from it
    b) Leavers are not all racists, far from it
    c) Some people did vote leave because they are racists
    TBF I do tend to skim your comments on the grounds that you’re really quite boring. So I may have misunderstood. Soz
    And there you go again. That was completely unnecessary. It happens every time you lose an argument with me, @kinabalu, @ianb2, etc. You have a standard set of insults. There seems to be 3 - Boring, lack of intelligence compared to you, and most bizarrely gay.

    I have no idea why you do it because you don't come out very well from it. Continuing the discussion, or just not, is surely the better look.
    No, I find you genuinely boring, and sometimes I like to point it out for the lolz. It’s fuck all to do with ‘losing an argument’ - I wasn’t even aware we were having an argument. Which in itself is a measure of how boring you are
    I use the word argument in a polite way. Discussion if you want. And if you don't think you were having one what were we doing? You said something, I disagreed, you disagreed with me, I disagreed again, each giving counter arguments (you see it is in the word) etc, etc.

    And if I'm boring what does that say about you if you engage in it endlessly.

    I'm afraid it does have 'fuck all with losing an argument' because we see it here all the time. You joist with @kinabalu and as usual he gets one over you and you then call him gay, or less intelligent than you, or boring. You do it all the time.

    It's a trait. It is pretty transparent. And it is unnecessary.
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    The Court rules in favour of the government in declaring the RCN strike on the 2nd May is unlawful

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/27/nurses-to-cut-short-strike-as-court-rules-second-day-of-action-unlawful?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
    Far right journalist decides to visit St Kilda to see if it can be the new Madagascar for Muslims.
    Tsk

    But - weirdly - that’s actually not bad. The way you tell the story is by an attempt to resettle the island. Some hippies maybe. Not Muslim hippies. Plain old woowoo hippies going off grid. Then the ghosts of the poisoned pagan past re-emerge


    OOOOH. The eco loons end up killing each other and wearing kittiwakes as slippers
    Isn't that the plot of The Wicker Man?
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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
    Far right journalist decides to visit St Kilda to see if it can be the new Madagascar for Muslims.
    Tsk

    But - weirdly - that’s actually not bad. The way you tell the story is by an attempt to resettle the island. Some hippies maybe. Not Muslim hippies. Plain old woowoo hippies going off grid. Then the ghosts of the poisoned pagan past re-emerge


    OOOOH. The eco loons end up killing each other and wearing kittiwakes as slippers
    Isn't that the plot of The Wicker Man?
    Er, no?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    TOPPING said:

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    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    That is properly fascinating. I thought I knew every last weird detail about St Kilda, and here’s another one. Gratitude
    I first heard about it on Timewatch or something similar. Being slowly poisoned by the place that cradles you and which you love has a bit of mythic power to it.
    It’s extraordinary. And it feels like a horribly apt metaphor for something bigger

    St Kilda deserves an amazing novel or movie. Quite hard to work up a plot tho. Hmm
    Far right journalist decides to visit St Kilda to see if it can be the new Madagascar for Muslims.
    Tsk

    But - weirdly - that’s actually not bad. The way you tell the story is by an attempt to resettle the island. Some hippies maybe. Not Muslim hippies. Plain old woowoo hippies going off grid. Then the ghosts of the poisoned pagan past re-emerge


    OOOOH. The eco loons end up killing each other and wearing kittiwakes as slippers
    Isn't that the plot of The Wicker Man?
    Not the proper one, maybe the inferior remake with Nic Cage in the main role - the bees. the bees.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,913
    edited April 2023
    Leon said:

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    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world, according to a massive new global study, with just 2% of Britons feeling uncomfortable about the idea of living next door to somebody of a different race. Asking whether someone would be happy living next to someone of a different race is one of the traditional ways that researchers measure racism. The data also shows that the British are amongst the most accepting countries in the world. In addition, the nation is among the highest-ranking for tolerance of gay people and immigrants



    https://unherd.com/thepost/survey-uk-is-one-of-the-least-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    Polls have shown this for many years. Brits are just about the least racist, most tolerant people on earth. Live and let live. It’s what we do. And it’s one reason foreign people will cross sunny Europe to get to our rainy little island

    That’s what makes the stance of the whining remainery guardianista left - ‘racist Brexity Britain’ - so utterly infuriating. It is an outright lie and provably wrong
    Always reassuring when someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is a patriot and has advocated all Muslims being interned tells us that Brits aren't racist.
    I never claimed that I wasn’t racist. I’d expel the ungrateful ginger Scots tomorrow, and drive them back to their smelly, midgy, peaty little hovels, isolating them all on St Kilda, where they can have anal sex with fulmars, as is their time-honored tradition. I’m just pointing out that the polls contradict Guardianista opinion of Bigoted Brexit Britain
    Fulmars have a cloaca not an anus. A single aperture through which they piss, shit and get fucked. Like leavers.
    That is droll

    The St Kildans did some really weird shit with seabirds. eg they used to use dead seabirds as shoes

    You’ve got to be quite desperate for decent footwear if you opt to wear a pair of gannets to go hiking
    Better off with a pair of Doc Martins.
    I am mildly obsessed with the history and culture of St Kilda

    Apparently they were sex mad polyamorous hunter gathering heathens until the dour Presbyterian preachers showed up. That doomed them
    I thought they were doomed by the lack of trees dooming them as they couldn’t get wood anymore but I suppose Presbyterian preachers would also cause you to lose your ardour.
    I believe a prevalent theory is that the soil of St Kilda was poisoned by centuries of waste being dumped in it causing miscarriages and affecting child mortality & general life expectancy.
    Waste of what sort? Are you talking about human effluent? Surely, surely, they had managed to master hygienic disposal of human waste? (And over time I would have thought that would have improved soil anyway?)
    Manure and food waste. The remains of seabirds (the main part of their diet) are particularly bad for heavy metals & other toxins apparently.
    Interesting. And how odd. Who would have thought seabirds would harbour heavy metals?
    Came from the birds’ own diet it seems. All about the food chain!

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/11962874.islanders-polluted-utopian-idyll-for-centuries-discarded-seabird-remains-responsible-for-heavy-metal-toxins-which-contaminated-the-soil-of-st-kilda/

    From that article: "Radio-carbon dating of one settlement in Village Glen indicates 3850 BC as the earliest settlement on Hirta." - they'd been there for nearly 6,000 years! Surely Britain 6,000 years ago was virtually empty. They could have chosen to live anywhere. And they chose St. Kilda.
    These were some very odd people indeed.
    Worth remembering that, until quite recently, travelling by land was a lot slower than travelling by sea. Islands were less remote than the interior away from the coast. And then you have the wealth of the available seafood.
    But - IIRC - they rarely fished. They didn’t eat the fish all around them. Seabirds yes. Fish no

    Or so I was told by the guide who took me there. He said that in bad seasons they could get close to famine - despite being surrounded by vast shoals of lovely mackerel and cod and the rest
    Interesting, I didn't know that.

    I was making a general point about remote islands in general, really.

    One of the explanations for why the Greenland Norse died out was that they stopped eating shellfish for some reason, and so when other sources of food failed they didn't have that to fall back on.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,945
    edited April 2023

    The Court rules in favour of the government in declaring the RCN strike on the 2nd May is unlawful

    I don't think this is a good look for the Govt. If they move the strike to (I believe) 1 day earlier it isn't unlawful. It is a pointless victory and just makes them look pedantic. Although why the RCN did this I don't know, because they don't want the cost of re-balloting the members. I assume there is something specific about picking this day.

    The Govt should use the courts against a union when the union is abusing its powers and not on a technicality even if they are in the right.
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