The GE1992 polling disaster – the lessons learnt – politicalbetting.com
The biggest election shock certainly since I started taking an interest in politics was in 1992 when against all the odds John Majors tories managed to hang on to a majority
I was [edit for not knowing own age] 16 at the time of the 92 election, and I joined Labour immediately after the defeat. I remember how depressing it felt at the time, although I think in the end Labour dodged a bullet by losing. I quite like John Major these days, having met him a few times he's probably the nicest front rank politician I've ever encountered. I would imagine if anything polling has got even harder since then. It seems like pollsters have got better at dealing with these difficulties in the meantime, but it wouldn't surprise me to see another big polling miss next year, in one direction or another.
I suspect you may have another one coming along in around 18 months time. Enjoy!
I much preferred May 1997. The great irony is I felt I could celebrate only when the infamous Johnson sympathetic Brexiteer Gisela Stuart won Edgbaston for Labour.
Either @SandyRentool has very expensive tastes in bars, or he's talking out of his arse again.
I went to a bar in Bristol, maybe 10 years ago, where they insisted on serving the keg craft in thirds, halves, or pints, based on the alcoholic strength, rather than the customer choosing. When you multiplied the cost of the strong third by three, it was easily north of £10.
Either @SandyRentool has very expensive tastes in bars, or he's talking out of his arse again.
I went to a bar in Bristol, maybe 10 years ago, where they insisted on serving the keg craft in thirds, halves, or pints, based on the alcoholic strength, rather than the customer choosing. When you multiplied the cost of the strong third by three, it was easily north of £10.
Last time I visited the Brew York taproom it had a number of barrel-aged Imperial Stouts at £8.25 a half. Of course, at >10% you weren’t supposed to drink it in pints…
They thought en masse... I cannot vote for the Welsh Windbag.
When considering Kinnock, I always thought we could never have someone so completely ludicrous as a main party leader. Then Labour gave us Corbyn and the Tories gave us Johnson.
What I most remember from 1992 is how the BBC kept insisting Labour was in with a shout for hours on end when it was obvious from midnight that Con was going to be back with a reduced majority lol...
What I most remember from 1992 is how the BBC kept insisting Labour was in with a shout for hours on end when it was obvious from Labour midnight that Con was going to be back with a reduced majority lol...
No champagne bottles being popped in BBC HQ then..... .......
They thought en masse... I cannot vote for the Welsh Windbag.
When considering Kinnock, I always thought we could never have someone so completely ludicrous as a main party leader. Then Labour gave us Corbyn and the Tories gave us Johnson.
Kinnock was a rank amateur in the clown stakes when compared to Corbyn and Johnson. But he was an annoying "Boyo" which was worth at least 7.5% to the Tories.
They thought en masse... I cannot vote for the Welsh Windbag.
When considering Kinnock, I always thought we could never have someone so completely ludicrous as a main party leader. Then Labour gave us Corbyn and the Tories gave us Johnson.
What I most remember from 1992 is how the BBC kept insisting Labour was in with a shout for hours on end when it was obvious from midnight that Con was going to be back with a reduced majority lol...
I went to watch the result with some Labour-supporting friends so I thought I ought to take a bottle of champagne. At 2am I said "shall we drink it, anyway?". Dirty looks all round.
What I most remember from 1992 is how the BBC kept insisting Labour was in with a shout for hours on end when it was obvious from Labour midnight that Con was going to be back with a reduced majority lol...
No champagne bottles being popped in BBC HQ then..... .......
Re Inflation the cost of copper cable has started falling quickly
I know a man with a dog down the pub who could do you a deal if you don't mind the Smart Water contamination...
I cannot express my contempt for these sorts of @sshats:
"On Saturday 11 February 2023, a Network Rail vehicle being used by a member of the Overhead Line Equipment (OLE) team in Doncaster was forced off the road by three other vehicles as it entered the motorway. Once stopped, persons wearing balaclavas and carrying crowbars forced the driver from the vehicle before it was driven away from the location. No one was injured during the theft. "
What I most remember from 1992 is how the BBC kept insisting Labour was in with a shout for hours on end when it was obvious from midnight that Con was going to be back with a reduced majority lol...
No as fun at 2015 though, because of the advent of online bookies. Getting 10-1 against a Tory majority when it was odds, and then getting it again with Brexit, and finally with Trump, represent the biggest wins I have ever made and ever will make in betting.
They thought en masse... I cannot vote for the Welsh Windbag.
When considering Kinnock, I always thought we could never have someone so completely ludicrous as a main party leader. Then Labour gave us Corbyn and the Tories gave us Johnson.
To keep giving the LibDems the oxygen of publicity, they did have Jo Swinson....
Tbf, it is serious, and dangerous, and Plod are very much on top of this.
I did know some people who were charged by Thames Valley Police during "Operation Symphony". Fair enough, Plod did entrap them and it was thrown out of court after 18 months of heartache, but you have to give the Old Bill marks for effort.
Should I ever run my own multibillion pound space launch company there will be no count down. There will be a series of checks in the control room over a brew and then one bloke saying to another “happy”? If he says yes, the first bloke will press a button and off we’ll go.
Not while any corner of it is in dispute and my guess is that that time won't come.
I suspect we're heading for Russia keeping some of its gains, ROUkraine joining NATO and being armed to the teeth - new Cold War.
No country can join NATO while it is still in eg territorial dispute because it could theoretically immediately trigger Art.5 saying NATO members must come to its aid to expel the aggressor.
Looked like a few engines didn't start, but still enough to get off the ground
From the exhaust, I reckon it lost at least two during flight. Might be wrong though.
Looked to be a good half dozen at least.
Four on the outer ring, 1 centre ground engine, I make it...
I thought five out as well. I think the trajectory was all good until the stage separation didn’t happen, then the first stage started the flip it was scheduled to do, but the rest of the rocket was still attached.
Should I ever run my own multibillion pound space launch company there will be no count down. There will be a series of checks in the control room over a brew and then one bloke saying to another “happy”? If he says yes, the first bloke will press a button and off we’ll go.
Nah. Have the countdown, but don't link the launch moment to it in any way
ETA: For test flights, maybe the crowd should do a count up from moment of launch to see how far they can get before the boom
Speaking with my professional hat on paying Mr Murrell in the current circumstances may trigger all sorts of AML/regulatory issues as well as legal issues.
Then again not paying him could also cause issues.
Looked like a few engines didn't start, but still enough to get off the ground
From the exhaust, I reckon it lost at least two during flight. Might be wrong though.
Looked to be a good half dozen at least.
Four on the outer ring, 1 centre ground engine, I make it...
I thought five out as well. I think the trajectory was all good until the stage separation didn’t happen, then the first stage started the flip it was scheduled to do, but the rest of the rocket was still attached.
MECO didn't happen so the conditional logic to enable stage separation was probably not enabled.
Looked like a few engines didn't start, but still enough to get off the ground
From the exhaust, I reckon it lost at least two during flight. Might be wrong though.
Looked to be a good half dozen at least.
Four on the outer ring, 1 centre ground engine, I make it...
Any idea what their margin is for number of engines out, and still be able to fly a controlled flight ? The asymmetric forces must be pretty large when several go out on one side (as was the case here). That might have messed up the ability to separate the stages. It's a huge object, so the forces going through the stage coupling won't be small.
Three failed engines as the graphic came up as it vehicle cleared the tower Two more failures before Max Q
Gets out of shape starting around T+2:20 MECO was called at T+2.50, on time, but the engines were clearly still running and the vehicle was well out of shape.
Either @SandyRentool has very expensive tastes in bars, or he's talking out of his arse again.
I went to a bar in Bristol, maybe 10 years ago, where they insisted on serving the keg craft in thirds, halves, or pints, based on the alcoholic strength, rather than the customer choosing. When you multiplied the cost of the strong third by three, it was easily north of £10.
Not while any corner of it is in dispute and my guess is that that time won't come.
I suspect we're heading for Russia keeping some of its gains, ROUkraine joining NATO and being armed to the teeth - new Cold War.
No country can join NATO while it is still in eg territorial dispute because it could theoretically immediately trigger Art.5 saying NATO members must come to its aid to expel the aggressor.
Ongoing territorial disputes involving NATO mambers are hardly unprecedented. Ireland claimed part of the UK when NATO was first formed.
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I would imagine if anything polling has got even harder since then. It seems like pollsters have got better at dealing with these difficulties in the meantime, but it wouldn't surprise me to see another big polling miss next year, in one direction or another.
My word. This is comedy gold.
Yousaf, asked how much money the SNP owes Peter Murrell, says he’ll answer after the “transparency review”. unsurpassable.
https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1649023256135974914?s=46
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I much preferred May 1997. The great irony is I felt I could celebrate only when the infamous Johnson sympathetic Brexiteer Gisela Stuart won Edgbaston for Labour.
What was it Ridcully said? ‘Transparency can mean two things - that you can see all there is, or you see nothing at all.’
.......
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/814e9242-dec9-11ed-a0a8-657f9e54fc6a?shareToken=d6e3ed45001ae57762ad8aafe131cbec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI
Ukraine will eventually join NATO, Jens Stoltenberg says during his unannounced visit to Kyiv
"Ukraine's rightful place is in NATO, and over time our support will help to make this possible. We stand by you today & for the long haul," NATO's Chief said.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1649037649582145539
"On Saturday 11 February 2023, a Network Rail vehicle being used by a member of the Overhead
Line Equipment (OLE) team in Doncaster was forced off the road by three other vehicles as it
entered the motorway. Once stopped, persons wearing balaclavas and carrying crowbars forced the driver from the vehicle before it was driven away from the location. No one was injured during the theft. "
https://twitter.com/NoelDolphin/status/1648796217449611267/photo/1
I did know some people who were charged by Thames Valley Police during "Operation Symphony". Fair enough, Plod did entrap them and it was thrown out of court after 18 months of heartache, but you have to give the Old Bill marks for effort.
And will see it through…
Light it, or they're going to die...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwTqRc4W3lE
I had the buffiest buffed nails in Christendom the next day....
I also reckon it lost a few first-stage engines.
And kaboom!
I only wish Musk didn’t own it so I could be truly happy for them.
If so, then that's actually a positive, as it means an engine failing hasn't destroyed the stage.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/snp-still-owes-money-to-ex-chief-executive-yousaf-confirms/ar-AA1a6pWk?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=f462b0e4e54c432abb3060fb5aa40ef0&ei=15
No way anyone is going to trust Russia, otherwise.
How you square that is, of course, not likely to be simple.
ETA: For test flights, maybe the crowd should do a count up from moment of launch to see how far they can get before the boom
Then again not paying him could also cause issues.
A bit of a pickle for Yousaf and the SNP.
The asymmetric forces must be pretty large when several go out on one side (as was the case here). That might have messed up the ability to separate the stages. It's a huge object, so the forces going through the stage coupling won't be small.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI
T-0 = 44:59 on the video.
Three failed engines as the graphic came up as it vehicle cleared the tower
Two more failures before Max Q
Gets out of shape starting around T+2:20
MECO was called at T+2.50, on time, but the engines were clearly still running and the vehicle was well out of shape.