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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    Snooker protestor - 25-year-old PPE student (!), who’s been arrested six times in the past year, and was one of those who glued himself to a painting in a Manchester gallery in 2022.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983075/Just-Stop-Oil-protester-demonstrating-snooker-student-glued-Manchester-painting.html

    At what point do judges actually start locking these people up - or should they just be left in the middle of the theatre, with 1,000 people who have paid £50 for an evening’s entertainment and saw it ruined?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    Not entirely true. The Salsa class looks like it's happening in a generic provincial church/village hall, and the ballerinas are in the gorgeous Minack Theatre in Cornwall.

    Definitely a bias towards the young, funky and urban, but not a complete one.
    You don't get much more provincial than the Minack, as anyone who has walked or driven there will know!
    PB is home of confirmation bias. You see what you want to see.
    Not really. Minack is lovely but one token bit does not a representation make.

    It's like those who used to argue that the BBC couldn't be institutionally left-wing because Jeremy Clarkson was on it.
    This entire discussion is about token bits if the BBC output.
    Not just that, but bits of output from twenty years ago. Since then, we've had circles, groups of people staring at the screen, lockdown life and the current "same place at different times" films.

    And the worst you can say about the current indents is that it's a women's football team in one of them.
    The title is BBC One - 2002-2006 - 'Rhythm & Movement' Idents: Compilation.

    Rhythm and Movement is going to include lots of young dancers. People from the provinces and those who live in the countryside dance, go to concerts and watch and play rugby. And us urban metropolitian elite don't spend our whole time breakdancing or performing swan lake either.

    What on earth are people getting upset about?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    R4 had a piece on the bloke who won a Sony Creative prize for photography with an AI generated image. I did a search on twitter and initially it came with a load of unfeasibly large breasted women with the faces of 12 year olds but I eventually found the actual pic.
    Impossible to tell with hindsight but is there a touch of tell tale exaggeration and caricature in the image?


    I smell a bit of a rat with this tbh. As others have said, the hands really don't look legit real (nor the facial bone structure on either woman), plus the photo itself doesn't look like a prize-winner to me, with the c. 2013 Instagram vignette filter applied to it.

    Either Sony and the bloke are in cahoots to make a point, or the judges on this prize should never be allowed near an award (or indeed a camera) ever again.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,978

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    Not really countering the wound up anti woke brigade point.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    But my point stands. There is no one here promoting woke.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Indeed, the ONLY people who ever mention woke are the sad old f*cks who see the world moving on and don't like it.
    We are smarter, more perceptive, and more succesful than you - you being nothing more than a dumb nodding sheep wanting to pick what you think must be a winning side due to your own deep-rooted inadequacies and insecurities - and we will win because your batshit relies solely on fear to advance and doesn't survive even 30 seconds of contact with reality.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,670
    The reactionary right banging on about twenty year old TV idents. Bless them, it keeps them out of mischief. Meanwhile here are some morris dancing robotic twos from the same era.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52CJ-HnPa7U
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    Sandpit said:

    Snooker protestor - 25-year-old PPE student (!), who’s been arrested six times in the past year, and was one of those who glued himself to a painting in a Manchester gallery in 2022.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983075/Just-Stop-Oil-protester-demonstrating-snooker-student-glued-Manchester-painting.html

    At what point do judges actually start locking these people up - or should they just be left in the middle of the theatre, with 1,000 people who have paid £50 for an evening’s entertainment and saw it ruined?

    At some point one of these protesters is going to get the crap beaten out of them. And Plod won't be able to respond to the scene of crime because, er, protesters had blocked their way....

    There's no way either to respond in kind because they are so intense about protest, there isn't anything they enjoy to disrupt.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,670

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Indeed, the ONLY people who ever mention woke are the sad old f*cks who see the world moving on and don't like it.
    We are smarter, more perceptive, and more succesful than you - you being nothing more than a dumb nodding sheep wanting to pick what you think must be a winning side due to your own deep-rooted inadequacies and insecurities - and we will win because your batshit relies solely on fear to advance and doesn't survive even 30 seconds of contact with reality.
    The reactionary right raging against the world are a bunch of useless Cnuts.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844

    Interesting perspective on the SNP's struggle to find an auditor:

    Did BBC Seven Days yesterday and @jessicainsall - accountant and former auditor - gave a really interesting perspective on why the SNP has been struggling to find a replacement auditor. Have a listen 👇🏼 A perspective I hadn’t picked up before. @BBCScotNine[VIDEO]

    https://twitter.com/Cat_Headley/status/1648041066417778703?s=20

    1) Auditors are businesses and have to run at a profit - if you're doing an Audit and not making a profit why are you doing the audit? Raises question mark over your impartiality.
    2) The SNP's accounts may be in a bit of a mess - so an audit is going to be expensive.
    3) Does the SNP have the cash to pay for the audit?

    If the audit is er…. Not in the favour of the SNP, this will make the auditing firm a target for a lot of ill will. Both personal and political.
    The fee for the audit in the last year more than doubled to £57k but I suspect that this was still not particularly profitable for the company. When things get complicated you end up committing far more expensive time to the process. And boy did this get complicated. Auditors make money by having junior staff ticking numerous boxes, not by senior staff trying to work out what the hell has been going on.
    The other thing that happens is that there are discussions with the client about various issues and concerns with the opportunity to provide more information and resolve the issue before the audit report comes to be written. Not so sure that would apply to auditors appointed by the Electoral Commission.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    MaxPB said:

    Employment up another 160k, private sector pay up 6.9%, what recession?

    That's a lot more tax revenue....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,042
    Sandpit said:

    Snooker protestor - 25-year-old PPE student (!), who’s been arrested six times in the past year, and was one of those who glued himself to a painting in a Manchester gallery in 2022.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983075/Just-Stop-Oil-protester-demonstrating-snooker-student-glued-Manchester-painting.html

    At what point do judges actually start locking these people up - or should they just be left in the middle of the theatre, with 1,000 people who have paid £50 for an evening’s entertainment and saw it ruined?

    The article says he was previously jailed for a week
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792
    @felix I don't want to fall out over our exchange. No offence was intended. Just robust discussion. If I offended my apologies. Wasn't intended.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    edited April 2023

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Indeed, the ONLY people who ever mention woke are the sad old f*cks who see the world moving on and don't like it.
    We are smarter, more perceptive, and more succesful than you - you being nothing more than a dumb nodding sheep wanting to pick what you think must be a winning side due to your own deep-rooted inadequacies and insecurities - and we will win because your batshit relies solely on fear to advance and doesn't survive even 30 seconds of contact with reality.
    More successful eh? You can't even spell successful!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,042
    MaxPB said:

    Employment up another 160k, private sector pay up 6.9%, what recession?

    Albeit inflation up 10%, so still average pay rising below cost of living. It is inflation the government is rightly focused on getting under control
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,344

    Labour's possible rise in Scotland could actually help produce a majority even though the polls tighten, I am finding it hard to read the fall out from the SNP's woes. On the subject of female voters, IIRC they were also undecided on the BREXIT vote until the last moment (I thought they would swing it to REMAIN...how wrong I was on that).. is there a small chance of a better than expected May Locals leading to a sudden snap election?

    LOL, "Possible", they are fecking useless in Scotland. Their only forlorn hope is the independence vote splits between parties and gives them a chance.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,978
    Ghedebrav said:

    R4 had a piece on the bloke who won a Sony Creative prize for photography with an AI generated image. I did a search on twitter and initially it came with a load of unfeasibly large breasted women with the faces of 12 year olds but I eventually found the actual pic.
    Impossible to tell with hindsight but is there a touch of tell tale exaggeration and caricature in the image?


    I smell a bit of a rat with this tbh. As others have said, the hands really don't look legit real (nor the facial bone structure on either woman), plus the photo itself doesn't look like a prize-winner to me, with the c. 2013 Instagram vignette filter applied to it.

    Either Sony and the bloke are in cahoots to make a point, or the judges on this prize should never be allowed near an award (or indeed a camera) ever again.
    I think the retro feel would be a bit whiffy even if it was an authentic photo. If taken in 1933 it would be pregnant with all sorts of foreboding, in 2023 it just seems an ersatz reproduction of that mood (which in fact it literally is).
    Eldagsen himself was quite interesting about what is obviously a very live debate. Promptography is apparently a suggested term for this new art(?) form.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,440
    mwadams said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    felix said:

    Scott_xP said:

    No matter that the current incumbent had a maths geek past; that just makes him the sort of guy whose political bedfellows, probably while wearing tailcoats, would have thrown in a pond. Never have the sniggeringly innumerate been more powerful than they have been for the past decade. And never have those in power been more inclined to ignore or disparage anyone who told them the numbers just didn’t add up.

    I don’t want to bang on about Brexit. We’re over Brexit. Recall, though, that every credible economist in the world told us how much it would hurt, and the winning side got away with telling them to bog off back to their spreadsheets. And it didn’t end there. Would a party that valued the ability to count have elected a bumbling Balliol Classicist who had to text his chief science adviser, as Johnson did mid-pandemic, to learn the difference between a ratio and a percentage? Would it have replaced him with Liz Truss?

    Does the maths of small boats — 45,756 arrivals in 2022 — offer any justification for putting 500 people on a barge, or one day sending a couple of hundred more to Rwanda?


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-ministers-who-have-the-anti-maths-mindset-7ldr5ht3s

    "I don't want to bang on about Brexit ' but.,,....................,.
    .........bang.......bang......bang......
    Getting lectured in numeracy bu someone who thinks that 4% and 0.08% are the same is kind of galling.
    I do understand a bit of the impetus behind 'maths to 18', but (setting aside the chronic shortage of maths teachers), it's things like ratios, logic, statistics etc. that seem most relevant and helpful in everyday life (that and working our darts finishes). Strikes me maybe as an curriculum issue in the KS2/3/4 rather than 'do two more years of trig'.

    In passing, I've no doubt that I learned more useful maths in my archaeology degree - a module on applied use of statistics - than I did in my GCSE maths.
    Archaeology, along with geography, is one of the few superpower degrees. If I have an opportunity to hire a grad in those subjects, I jump at it. Most are maths literate, critical thinkers with an ability to solve both practical & theoretical problems, work in teams, and string a sentence together.
    mwadams said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    felix said:

    Scott_xP said:

    No matter that the current incumbent had a maths geek past; that just makes him the sort of guy whose political bedfellows, probably while wearing tailcoats, would have thrown in a pond. Never have the sniggeringly innumerate been more powerful than they have been for the past decade. And never have those in power been more inclined to ignore or disparage anyone who told them the numbers just didn’t add up.

    I don’t want to bang on about Brexit. We’re over Brexit. Recall, though, that every credible economist in the world told us how much it would hurt, and the winning side got away with telling them to bog off back to their spreadsheets. And it didn’t end there. Would a party that valued the ability to count have elected a bumbling Balliol Classicist who had to text his chief science adviser, as Johnson did mid-pandemic, to learn the difference between a ratio and a percentage? Would it have replaced him with Liz Truss?

    Does the maths of small boats — 45,756 arrivals in 2022 — offer any justification for putting 500 people on a barge, or one day sending a couple of hundred more to Rwanda?


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-ministers-who-have-the-anti-maths-mindset-7ldr5ht3s

    "I don't want to bang on about Brexit ' but.,,....................,.
    .........bang.......bang......bang......
    Getting lectured in numeracy bu someone who thinks that 4% and 0.08% are the same is kind of galling.
    I do understand a bit of the impetus behind 'maths to 18', but (setting aside the chronic shortage of maths teachers), it's things like ratios, logic, statistics etc. that seem most relevant and helpful in everyday life (that and working our darts finishes). Strikes me maybe as an curriculum issue in the KS2/3/4 rather than 'do two more years of trig'.

    In passing, I've no doubt that I learned more useful maths in my archaeology degree - a module on applied use of statistics - than I did in my GCSE maths.
    Archaeology, along with geography, is one of the few superpower degrees. If I have an opportunity to hire a grad in those subjects, I jump at it. Most are maths literate, critical thinkers with an ability to solve both practical & theoretical problems, work in teams, and string a sentence together.
    Good morning.
    Interesting post; thanks. Granddaughter Two is considering her options for uni and archaeology is high on the list. She’s 18 next year, so a decision about uni will have to be made shortly.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    I can only assume that the dragon will be deleted from the Welsh flag next, as fire breathing animals churning out carbon should not be promoted in the spirit of Net Zero.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Re the loon who interrupted the Snooker. They should sue him for consequential loss. That would feck him for decades.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker protestor - 25-year-old PPE student (!), who’s been arrested six times in the past year, and was one of those who glued himself to a painting in a Manchester gallery in 2022.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983075/Just-Stop-Oil-protester-demonstrating-snooker-student-glued-Manchester-painting.html

    At what point do judges actually start locking these people up - or should they just be left in the middle of the theatre, with 1,000 people who have paid £50 for an evening’s entertainment and saw it ruined?

    At some point one of these protesters is going to get the crap beaten out of them. And Plod won't be able to respond to the scene of crime because, er, protesters had blocked their way....

    There's no way either to respond in kind because they are so intense about protest, there isn't anything they enjoy to disrupt.
    After the Silverstone protestors got suspended sentences last year, despite being sent to the Crown Court for trial, I can well imagine how the marshals there will react if the Grand Prix gets disrupted again this year.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker protestor - 25-year-old PPE student (!), who’s been arrested six times in the past year, and was one of those who glued himself to a painting in a Manchester gallery in 2022.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983075/Just-Stop-Oil-protester-demonstrating-snooker-student-glued-Manchester-painting.html

    At what point do judges actually start locking these people up - or should they just be left in the middle of the theatre, with 1,000 people who have paid £50 for an evening’s entertainment and saw it ruined?

    At some point one of these protesters is going to get the crap beaten out of them. And Plod won't be able to respond to the scene of crime because, er, protesters had blocked their way....

    There's no way either to respond in kind because they are so intense about protest, there isn't anything they enjoy to disrupt.

    As people have pointed out on twitter, if Alex Higgins had still been alive and playing when the protests had taken place the results could have been interesting.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    DavidL said:

    Interesting perspective on the SNP's struggle to find an auditor:

    Did BBC Seven Days yesterday and @jessicainsall - accountant and former auditor - gave a really interesting perspective on why the SNP has been struggling to find a replacement auditor. Have a listen 👇🏼 A perspective I hadn’t picked up before. @BBCScotNine[VIDEO]

    https://twitter.com/Cat_Headley/status/1648041066417778703?s=20

    1) Auditors are businesses and have to run at a profit - if you're doing an Audit and not making a profit why are you doing the audit? Raises question mark over your impartiality.
    2) The SNP's accounts may be in a bit of a mess - so an audit is going to be expensive.
    3) Does the SNP have the cash to pay for the audit?

    If the audit is er…. Not in the favour of the SNP, this will make the auditing firm a target for a lot of ill will. Both personal and political.
    The fee for the audit in the last year more than doubled to £57k but I suspect that this was still not particularly profitable for the company. When things get complicated you end up committing far more expensive time to the process. And boy did this get complicated. Auditors make money by having junior staff ticking numerous boxes, not by senior staff trying to work out what the hell has been going on.
    The other thing that happens is that there are discussions with the client about various issues and concerns with the opportunity to provide more information and resolve the issue before the audit report comes to be written. Not so sure that would apply to auditors appointed by the Electoral Commission.
    You could easily spend more than £57K - politics, novel process to your company.Let alone zillions of angry SNPers ready to blame you.

    Why not accept the job of auditing the nice, quiet shipyard instead? No, wait....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    I presume Burnley, Burntisland, Stoke and Coalbrookdale will be renamed next as their disgusting promotion of the use of fossil fuels demands.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844

    Nigelb said:

    Currently a source of great irritation for US allies.

    VW, Rivian, Nissan, BMW, Hyundai lose access to US EV tax credits
    https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=349255
    The U.S. Treasury said on Monday that Volkswagen, BMW, Nissan, Rivian, Hyundai and Volvo Cars electric vehicles will lose access to a $7,500 tax credit under new rules for battery sourcing.

    The Treasury said the new requirements effective on Tuesday will also cut by half credits for the Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Rear Wheel Drive to $3,750 but that other Tesla models will retain the full $7,500 credit.

    Vehicles losing credits on Tuesday are the BMW 330e, BMW X5 xDrive45e, Genesis Electrified GV70, Nissan Leaf, Rivian R1S and R1T, Volkswagen ID.4 as well as the plug-in hybrid electric Audi Q5 TFSI e Quattro and plug-in hybrid electric (PHEV) Volvo S60. The Swedish carmaker is 82 percent-owned by China's Zhejiang Geely Holding Group.

    The rules are aimed at weaning the United States off dependence on China for EV battery supply chains and are part of President Joe Biden's effort to make 50 percent of U.S. new vehicle sales by 2030 EVs or PHEVs...

    Biden has accepted the analysis that the disruption caused by moving to the EVs offers an opportunity for the US car industry to take back a large portion of its own market.

    Tesla showed the way.

    There was some interesting pleading from Big Auto in Congress. They wanted the definitions extended to “The American Continent”, so they could do much of the work in Mexico. It is of interest that they didn’t get that.

    EDIT: the battery out sourcing to China is the classic business move for the kind of business leaders who feel uncomfortable with business or leadership. Much easier to buy the batteries in, rather than managed a large, complex operation.
    The economic activities of the US are increasingly mercantilist. This really started with Trump, Obama was a more traditional free trader, but it is if anything accelerating under Biden.

    It is a response to China, of course, but Europe is going to be caught in the backwash. Our best hope is that the US joins the CTTP and we get favoured access through that.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019

    I can only assume that the dragon will be deleted from the Welsh flag next, as fire breathing animals churning out carbon should not be promoted in the spirit of Net Zero.

    Surely that depends on how the fuel is produced? If it’s alcohol from sugars drawn from eaten plants and animals then it might actually be carbon neutral.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,794
    Good morning, everyone.

    Wondering about whether to buy Age of Wonders 4... looks interesting.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Sandpit said:

    Snooker protestor - 25-year-old PPE student (!), who’s been arrested six times in the past year, and was one of those who glued himself to a painting in a Manchester gallery in 2022.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983075/Just-Stop-Oil-protester-demonstrating-snooker-student-glued-Manchester-painting.html

    At what point do judges actually start locking these people up - or should they just be left in the middle of the theatre, with 1,000 people who have paid £50 for an evening’s entertainment and saw it ruined?

    Why? Do you think the mob are going to kill him live on the Red Button?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    ...

    I presume Burnley, Burntisland, Stoke and Coalbrookdale will be renamed next as their disgusting promotion of the use of fossil fuels demands.

    Burntwood is the one that really riles me up. Although I could live with Burntkilndriedwood.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,595
    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844

    Nigelb said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    Not entirely true. The Salsa class looks like it's happening in a generic provincial church/village hall, and the ballerinas are in the gorgeous Minack Theatre in Cornwall.

    Definitely a bias towards the young, funky and urban, but not a complete one.
    You don't get much more provincial than the Minack, as anyone who has walked or driven there will know!
    PB is home of confirmation bias. You see what you want to see.
    Not really. Minack is lovely but one token bit does not a representation make.

    It's like those who used to argue that the BBC couldn't be institutionally left-wing because Jeremy Clarkson was on it.
    This entire discussion is about token bits if the BBC output.
    Not just that, but bits of output from twenty years ago. Since then, we've had circles, groups of people staring at the screen, lockdown life and the current "same place at different times" films.

    And the worst you can say about the current indents is that it's a women's football team in one of them.
    The title is BBC One - 2002-2006 - 'Rhythm & Movement' Idents: Compilation.

    Rhythm and Movement is going to include lots of young dancers. People from the provinces and those who live in the countryside dance, go to concerts and watch and play rugby. And us urban metropolitian elite don't spend our whole time breakdancing or performing swan lake either.

    What on earth are people getting upset about?
    Really don’t know. Putting an entirely misleading negative spin on the latest economic data, on the other hand…
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    There's also RAF Fauld.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Nigelb said:

    Currently a source of great irritation for US allies.

    VW, Rivian, Nissan, BMW, Hyundai lose access to US EV tax credits
    https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=349255
    The U.S. Treasury said on Monday that Volkswagen, BMW, Nissan, Rivian, Hyundai and Volvo Cars electric vehicles will lose access to a $7,500 tax credit under new rules for battery sourcing.

    The Treasury said the new requirements effective on Tuesday will also cut by half credits for the Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Rear Wheel Drive to $3,750 but that other Tesla models will retain the full $7,500 credit.

    Vehicles losing credits on Tuesday are the BMW 330e, BMW X5 xDrive45e, Genesis Electrified GV70, Nissan Leaf, Rivian R1S and R1T, Volkswagen ID.4 as well as the plug-in hybrid electric Audi Q5 TFSI e Quattro and plug-in hybrid electric (PHEV) Volvo S60. The Swedish carmaker is 82 percent-owned by China's Zhejiang Geely Holding Group.

    The rules are aimed at weaning the United States off dependence on China for EV battery supply chains and are part of President Joe Biden's effort to make 50 percent of U.S. new vehicle sales by 2030 EVs or PHEVs...

    Biden has accepted the analysis that the disruption caused by moving to the EVs offers an opportunity for the US car industry to take back a large portion of its own market.

    Tesla showed the way.

    There was some interesting pleading from Big Auto in Congress. They wanted the definitions extended to “The American Continent”, so they could do much of the work in Mexico. It is of interest that they didn’t get that.

    EDIT: the battery out sourcing to China is the classic business move for the kind of business leaders who feel uncomfortable with business or leadership. Much easier to buy the batteries in, rather than managed a large, complex operation.
    It's not just about cars, of course. It's a re-engineering of the energy industry as well. (See similar efforts regarding solar manufacturing.)

    The UK has failed miserably on all of this, with the partial exception of wind power; the EU has done slightly better.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844
    Foss said:

    I can only assume that the dragon will be deleted from the Welsh flag next, as fire breathing animals churning out carbon should not be promoted in the spirit of Net Zero.

    Surely that depends on how the fuel is produced? If it’s alcohol from sugars drawn from eaten plants and animals then it might actually be carbon neutral.
    I thought that they lived in coal fired engines like Ivor. Not easy to be carbon neutral from there.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,595
    Ghedebrav said:

    mwadams said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    felix said:

    Scott_xP said:

    No matter that the current incumbent had a maths geek past; that just makes him the sort of guy whose political bedfellows, probably while wearing tailcoats, would have thrown in a pond. Never have the sniggeringly innumerate been more powerful than they have been for the past decade. And never have those in power been more inclined to ignore or disparage anyone who told them the numbers just didn’t add up.

    I don’t want to bang on about Brexit. We’re over Brexit. Recall, though, that every credible economist in the world told us how much it would hurt, and the winning side got away with telling them to bog off back to their spreadsheets. And it didn’t end there. Would a party that valued the ability to count have elected a bumbling Balliol Classicist who had to text his chief science adviser, as Johnson did mid-pandemic, to learn the difference between a ratio and a percentage? Would it have replaced him with Liz Truss?

    Does the maths of small boats — 45,756 arrivals in 2022 — offer any justification for putting 500 people on a barge, or one day sending a couple of hundred more to Rwanda?


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-ministers-who-have-the-anti-maths-mindset-7ldr5ht3s

    "I don't want to bang on about Brexit ' but.,,....................,.
    .........bang.......bang......bang......
    Getting lectured in numeracy bu someone who thinks that 4% and 0.08% are the same is kind of galling.
    I do understand a bit of the impetus behind 'maths to 18', but (setting aside the chronic shortage of maths teachers), it's things like ratios, logic, statistics etc. that seem most relevant and helpful in everyday life (that and working our darts finishes). Strikes me maybe as an curriculum issue in the KS2/3/4 rather than 'do two more years of trig'.

    In passing, I've no doubt that I learned more useful maths in my archaeology degree - a module on applied use of statistics - than I did in my GCSE maths.
    Archaeology, along with geography, is one of the few superpower degrees. If I have an opportunity to hire a grad in those subjects, I jump at it. Most are maths literate, critical thinkers with an ability to solve both practical & theoretical problems, work in teams, and string a sentence together.
    The case for the prosecution offers up Neil Oliver..
    Suspect Glasgow's archaeology dept may well have been a glorified ancient history faculty, as a few of the red brick depts are. You'll learn a lot more actual archaeology at Bradford, Lampeter, and (oddly) Cambridge than e.g. Manchester, Birmingham and others. Sheffield did a proper job though.
    And there are always outliers!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    R4 had a piece on the bloke who won a Sony Creative prize for photography with an AI generated image. I did a search on twitter and initially it came with a load of unfeasibly large breasted women with the faces of 12 year olds but I eventually found the actual pic.
    Impossible to tell with hindsight but is there a touch of tell tale exaggeration and caricature in the image?


    We did this a couple of days ago.
    Leon notes the hands, too; pretty obvious when you look at it.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    Strictly speaking they are reverting back to an ancient name, which seems rather unwoke. Also the fire symbol was a bit silly as they weren't that kind of beacons.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    Sky just saying the SNP treasurer has ben arrested.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    Sky just saying the SNP treasurer has ben arrested.

    More popcorn, sir?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    edited April 2023
    Hands look like root vegetables
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    RobD said:

    Sky just saying the SNP treasurer has ben arrested.

    More popcorn, sir?
    No thank you. A kind thought, but I have to watch my waistline. Am trying to ratio myself.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    edited April 2023
    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    God knows what they'd have had to say about Picasso.
    Who, mildly ironically, is now in danger of being cancelled, too.

    (Leon would have complained about the inaccurate hands.)
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792
    edited April 2023
    I must admit I interpreted the Brecon renaming as a marketing exercise. Certainly got it on the news and talked about and people were talking about walks over it here quite a bit so seemed to work. Link it in with climate change and you target another group.

    Suspect it won't encourage Casino to visit.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,751
    FF43 said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    Strictly speaking they are reverting back to an ancient name, which seems rather unwoke. Also the fire symbol was a bit silly as they weren't that kind of beacons.
    Not an expert but I very much doubt the area has ever been called that, not even in Welsh. Quangos making changes like that, with little or no public demand for it, is not a very good idea. Obviously been sold to them by some media agency embedded in the Taffia.
    It's a shame, because the ambition to rehabilitate the landscape, restore biodiversity etc. is very laudable.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,794
    Picasso should be cancelled. Because his art is terrible.

    Interesting how AI can handle eyes and the face much better than hands.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    FF43 said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    Strictly speaking they are reverting back to an ancient name, which seems rather unwoke. Also the fire symbol was a bit silly as they weren't that kind of beacons.
    It seems to me that the renaming effort has all the use of trying to stop people calling vacuum cleaners “hoovers”.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,020

    I can only assume that the dragon will be deleted from the Welsh flag next, as fire breathing animals churning out carbon should not be promoted in the spirit of Net Zero.

    Carbon? In the form of graphite or diamonds?

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,978
    Nigelb said:

    R4 had a piece on the bloke who won a Sony Creative prize for photography with an AI generated image. I did a search on twitter and initially it came with a load of unfeasibly large breasted women with the faces of 12 year olds but I eventually found the actual pic.
    Impossible to tell with hindsight but is there a touch of tell tale exaggeration and caricature in the image?


    We did this a couple of days ago.
    Leon notes the hands, too; pretty obvious when you look at it.
    Ah, possibly I went off and did something useful when I saw the beginning of a Leonine bellow on AI. On the hands thing, AI should manage a convincing portrait of our soon to be crowned king.

    There’s a long tradition of experts persuading each other that an image is authentic and in fact great art.



  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    FF43 said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    Strictly speaking they are reverting back to an ancient name, which seems rather unwoke. Also the fire symbol was a bit silly as they weren't that kind of beacons.
    It seems to me that the renaming effort has all the use of trying to stop people calling vacuum cleaners “hoovers”.
    And, indeed, trying to change the pronunciation of IKEA.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805
    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.

    Sometimes my inner Dura Ace comes out. Bypass the courts and just take them outside and give them a proper kicking.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    Silvertown was 50t of TNT, this will be roughly 5,000t of liquid methane and oxygen. Not sure which is bigger tbh.

    I did think of the Buncefield refinery that went up a few years ago, that might have been bigger. The Chernobyl explosion itself wasn’t that big.

    Okay, so I looked it up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

    There were a load of huge ammunition explosions in WWI and WWII, one of which was at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire in 1944. In peacetime the largest recent one was the Port of Beirut explosion from three years ago, and the Soviet N1 rocket in 1969, as they tried to race the Americans to the moon.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    edited April 2023

    Picasso should be cancelled. Because his art is terrible.

    Interesting how AI can handle eyes and the face much better than hands.

    I always like the story of when the Gestapo raided Picasso's home in Paris, and came across a print of Guernica. One of the Germans asked Picasso if it was his work.

    "No", he replied, "it is yours."

    EDIT: I'm surprised that Dali wasn't first on the list. Just as nasty a piece of work and a Fascist sympathiser as well.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Picasso should be cancelled. Because his art is terrible.

    Interesting how AI can handle eyes and the face much better than hands.

    Also tends to be true of human artists.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,020
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Employment up another 160k, private sector pay up 6.9%, what recession?

    Albeit inflation up 10%, so still average pay rising below cost of living. It is inflation the government is rightly focused on getting under control
    Shutting down the NHS is perhaps not the best way to deal with inflation.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992

    Sky just saying the SNP treasurer has ben arrested.

    Well, I do hope that doesn't overshadow Humza's big speech today...

    That's why Nippy isn't at Holyrood, right?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.

    Sometimes my inner Dura Ace comes out. Bypass the courts and just take them outside and give them a proper kicking.
    As I know to my great personal cost you can't just beat the fuck out of people because they annoy you. If it were legal I'd be getting up an hour earlier every day.

    JSO and XR need to ratchet up the violence. It all feels too genteel. A bit Great British Protest Off when it should feel Red Army Faction.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Police arrest SNP treasurer in finance probe
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65309791
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792

    Hands look like root vegetables

    😮 I thought you were talking about the politician for a moment then and thought it a random unnecessary insult. Then it dawned.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Sky just saying the SNP treasurer has ben arrested.

    Colin Beattie MSP
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/18/snp-latest-colin-beattie-arrested-sturgeon-news-live/

    Polis statement:
    A 71-year-old man has today, Tuesday, 18 April 2023, been arrested as a suspect in connection with the ongoing investigation into the funding and finances of the Scottish National Party.

    “The man is in custody and is being questioned by Police Scotland detectives. A report will be sent to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service.

    “The matter is active for the purposes of the Contempt of Court Act 1981 and the public are therefore advised to exercise caution if discussing it on social media.

    “As the investigation is ongoing we are unable to comment further.”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    Sandpit said:

    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    Silvertown was 50t of TNT, this will be roughly 5,000t of liquid methane and oxygen. Not sure which is bigger tbh.

    I did think of the Buncefield refinery that went up a few years ago, that might have been bigger. The Chernobyl explosion itself wasn’t that big.

    Okay, so I looked it up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

    There were a load of huge ammunition explosions in WWI and WWII, one of which was at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire in 1944. In peacetime the largest recent one was the Port of Beirut explosion from three years ago, and the Soviet N1 rocket in 1969, as they tried to race the Americans to the moon.
    In theory, LNG (which methane is, pretty much) can yield in the range of ton-for-ton. So X tons of LNG equals X tons of TNT.

    The issue is the mixing with the atmosphere, the LNG, the temperature rise in the cloud of dispersed materials, the droplet sizes from material dispersed with shock....

    You could get a deflagration - that is how the Hydrogen/LOX from the Challenger accident went - a slower burn than a detonation. In the case of Challenger the crew survived the deflagration and breakup.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.
    BBC coverage, it's amongst the biggest sporting events the BBC still has live rights to.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,377
    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.

    Sometimes my inner Dura Ace comes out. Bypass the courts and just take them outside and give them a proper kicking.
    I think the issue was with cazoo.

    A company that sells (recycles) second hand cars so doesn't really add anything to the carbon footprint (given that it's the initial purchase of the car that generates the carbon footprint).
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Nigelb said:

    Police arrest SNP treasurer in finance probe
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65309791

    Has the current treasurer of a major political and govering party ever been arrested before or is this a first for the SNP?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805
    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.

    Sometimes my inner Dura Ace comes out. Bypass the courts and just take them outside and give them a proper kicking.
    As I know to my great personal cost you can't just beat the fuck out of people because they annoy you. If it were legal I'd be getting up an hour earlier every day.

    JSO and XR need to ratchet up the violence. It all feels too genteel. A bit Great British Protest Off when it should feel Red Army Faction.
    Can I draw your attention to the contrast between the first sentence of your first paragraph and the first sentence of your second paragraph?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,595
    Sandpit said:

    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    Silvertown was 50t of TNT, this will be roughly 5,000t of liquid methane and oxygen. Not sure which is bigger tbh.

    I did think of the Buncefield refinery that went up a few years ago, that might have been bigger. The Chernobyl explosion itself wasn’t that big.

    Okay, so I looked it up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

    There were a load of huge ammunition explosions in WWI and WWII, one of which was at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire in 1944. In peacetime the largest recent one was the Port of Beirut explosion from three years ago, and the Soviet N1 rocket in 1969, as they tried to race the Americans to the moon.
    I did wonder about Buncefield. That's the only one I actually experienced - on the way down the A1 heading to Heathrow.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Im a great believer in Karma and I remember thinking she should have been more classy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-sDE4KrSt8
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Hands loom.like root vegetables

    RobD said:

    Sky just saying the SNP treasurer has ben arrested.

    More popcorn, sir?
    No thank you. A kind thought, but I have to watch my waistline. Am trying to ratio myself.
    Schadenfreude level up another two ticks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Sandpit said:

    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    Silvertown was 50t of TNT, this will be roughly 5,000t of liquid methane and oxygen. Not sure which is bigger tbh.

    I did think of the Buncefield refinery that went up a few years ago, that might have been bigger. The Chernobyl explosion itself wasn’t that big.

    Okay, so I looked it up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

    There were a load of huge ammunition explosions in WWI and WWII, one of which was at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire in 1944. In peacetime the largest recent one was the Port of Beirut explosion from three years ago, and the Soviet N1 rocket in 1969, as they tried to race the Americans to the moon.
    In theory, LNG (which methane is, pretty much) can yield in the range of ton-for-ton. So X tons of LNG equals X tons of TNT.

    The issue is the mixing with the atmosphere, the LNG, the temperature rise in the cloud of dispersed materials, the droplet sizes from material dispersed with shock....

    You could get a deflagration - that is how the Hydrogen/LOX from the Challenger accident went - a slower burn than a detonation. In the case of Challenger the crew survived the deflagration and breakup.
    Yes, it's not about the energy content - a pound of sugar contains around four times the potential combustion energy of a pound of TNT - but the speed of energy release.
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.

    Sometimes my inner Dura Ace comes out. Bypass the courts and just take them outside and give them a proper kicking.
    There are no serious "obvious parallels" between the pseudo-gangs that you mention (and who do indeed deserve a good kicking) and the suffragettes (which incidentally was a word of contempt spread by the Daily Mail).

    Anyone who thinks ER may not be a pseudo-gang should ask themselves whether striking miners would have been allowed to "occupy" London bridges in the 1980s.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Sandpit said:

    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    Silvertown was 50t of TNT, this will be roughly 5,000t of liquid methane and oxygen. Not sure which is bigger tbh.

    I did think of the Buncefield refinery that went up a few years ago, that might have been bigger. The Chernobyl explosion itself wasn’t that big.

    Okay, so I looked it up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

    There were a load of huge ammunition explosions in WWI and WWII, one of which was at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire in 1944. In peacetime the largest recent one was the Port of Beirut explosion from three years ago, and the Soviet N1 rocket in 1969, as they tried to race the Americans to the moon.
    In theory, LNG (which methane is, pretty much) can yield in the range of ton-for-ton. So X tons of LNG equals X tons of TNT.

    The issue is the mixing with the atmosphere, the LNG, the temperature rise in the cloud of dispersed materials, the droplet sizes from material dispersed with shock....

    You could get a deflagration - that is how the Hydrogen/LOX from the Challenger accident went - a slower burn than a detonation. In the case of Challenger the crew survived the deflagration and breakup.
    Ah yes, good point. My guess would be that a static explosion on the pad, as with the N1, would be massive, but an explosion of a high-speed vehicle, as with Challenger, would be more of a deflagration. Sadly for the Challenger crew, they were likely alive, but unconscious from hypoxia, as they hit the ocean some minutes after their craft disintegrated.
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    Mystic Dom reckons Trump practically has the 2024 USPE in the bag.
    He's done the maths. Silly sod.
    He's begging journalists to talk about him. Pathetic silly sod.

    https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/6-regime-change-new-data-shows-trump
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,344
    Nigelb said:

    R4 had a piece on the bloke who won a Sony Creative prize for photography with an AI generated image. I did a search on twitter and initially it came with a load of unfeasibly large breasted women with the faces of 12 year olds but I eventually found the actual pic.
    Impossible to tell with hindsight but is there a touch of tell tale exaggeration and caricature in the image?


    We did this a couple of days ago.
    Leon notes the hands, too; pretty obvious when you look at it.
    Also a shit picture , WTF was the competition like if this won it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Im a great believer in Karma and I remember thinking she should have been more classy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-sDE4KrSt8

    That would doom about half of PB, too.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Sandpit said:

    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    Silvertown was 50t of TNT, this will be roughly 5,000t of liquid methane and oxygen. Not sure which is bigger tbh.

    I did think of the Buncefield refinery that went up a few years ago, that might have been bigger. The Chernobyl explosion itself wasn’t that big.

    Okay, so I looked it up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

    There were a load of huge ammunition explosions in WWI and WWII, one of which was at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire in 1944. In peacetime the largest recent one was the Port of Beirut explosion from three years ago, and the Soviet N1 rocket in 1969, as they tried to race the Americans to the moon.
    Halifax N.S. 1917

  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    R4 had a piece on the bloke who won a Sony Creative prize for photography with an AI generated image. I did a search on twitter and initially it came with a load of unfeasibly large breasted women with the faces of 12 year olds but I eventually found the actual pic.
    Impossible to tell with hindsight but is there a touch of tell tale exaggeration and caricature in the image?


    We did this a couple of days ago.
    Leon notes the hands, too; pretty obvious when you look at it.
    Also a shit picture , WTF was the competition like if this won it.
    Maybe they knew it was AI and made it win for the publicity.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    mwadams said:

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX targeting Thursday for world’s biggest ever accidental explosion test launch of Starship prototype.

    https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1648092752893313024

    I'm guessing Chernobyl and maybe the Silvertown explosion would be on the upside of this (should it come to pass).
    Silvertown was 50t of TNT, this will be roughly 5,000t of liquid methane and oxygen. Not sure which is bigger tbh.

    I did think of the Buncefield refinery that went up a few years ago, that might have been bigger. The Chernobyl explosion itself wasn’t that big.

    Okay, so I looked it up.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_artificial_non-nuclear_explosions

    There were a load of huge ammunition explosions in WWI and WWII, one of which was at RAF Fauld in Staffordshire in 1944. In peacetime the largest recent one was the Port of Beirut explosion from three years ago, and the Soviet N1 rocket in 1969, as they tried to race the Americans to the moon.
    In theory, LNG (which methane is, pretty much) can yield in the range of ton-for-ton. So X tons of LNG equals X tons of TNT.

    The issue is the mixing with the atmosphere, the LNG, the temperature rise in the cloud of dispersed materials, the droplet sizes from material dispersed with shock....

    You could get a deflagration - that is how the Hydrogen/LOX from the Challenger accident went - a slower burn than a detonation. In the case of Challenger the crew survived the deflagration and breakup.
    Ah yes, good point. My guess would be that a static explosion on the pad, as with the N1, would be massive, but an explosion of a high-speed vehicle, as with Challenger, would be more of a deflagration. Sadly for the Challenger crew, they were likely alive, but unconscious from hypoxia, as they hit the ocean some minutes after their craft disintegrated.
    Some of them were not only alive, but were conscious and moving switches. They died on impact.

    The only question is whether they lost consciousness due to cabin pressure at altitude and stayed unconscious or woke up on the way down.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    UK @DefenceHQ reports heavy fighting and a potential reduction of Russian troop numbers around Donetsk City, with creeping advances by Russian MoD and Wagner Group forces continuing in Bakhmut
    https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1648242463289802752
  • kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name.

    Is Wales now "woke" because it wants to promote its own language? Naming things in Wales in Welsh is "woke"? Really?
  • I was joking yesterday when I said I was expecting Sturgeon to be arrested this week during this stint as guest editor.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,344

    Nigelb said:

    Police arrest SNP treasurer in finance probe
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65309791

    Has the current treasurer of a major political and govering party ever been arrested before or is this a first for the SNP?
    Sure to be more to follow, especially the great leader one hopes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    Scott_xP said:

    Sky just saying the SNP treasurer has ben arrested.

    Well, I do hope that doesn't overshadow Humza's big speech today...

    That's why Nippy isn't at Holyrood, right?
    Nicola Sturgeon has no connection with or recollection of

    - The finances
    - Her leadership
    - The SNP
    - Scotland
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name.

    Is Wales now "woke" because it wants to promote its own language? Naming things in Wales in Welsh is "woke"? Really?
    The reason given for the name change is that 'Beacons' isn't a good look because it implies burning things which implies climate change. Which strikes me as pretty woke.

    I'd also suggest the number of Welsh speakers in the Brecon Beacons is pretty low.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792
    edited April 2023
    @squareroot2 Nice of you to have liked my apology to @felix in particular as I have given you a real hard time in the past for being abrasive.

    Very decent of you in the circumstances.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805
    Westie said:

    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.

    Sometimes my inner Dura Ace comes out. Bypass the courts and just take them outside and give them a proper kicking.
    There are no serious "obvious parallels" between the pseudo-gangs that you mention (and who do indeed deserve a good kicking) and the suffragettes (which incidentally was a word of contempt spread by the Daily Mail).

    Anyone who thinks ER may not be a pseudo-gang should ask themselves whether striking miners would have been allowed to "occupy" London bridges in the 1980s.
    Well, the parallels are that both, through direct action, alienated potential supporters from a battle which was being won anyway.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Nigelb said:

    UK @DefenceHQ reports heavy fighting and a potential reduction of Russian troop numbers around Donetsk City, with creeping advances by Russian MoD and Wagner Group forces continuing in Bakhmut
    https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1648242463289802752

    Baldy Ben looks he won a competition in the Sunday Express to meet Lloyd Austin.


  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name.

    Is Wales now "woke" because it wants to promote its own language? Naming things in Wales in Welsh is "woke"? Really?
    It's about naming things in English, not in Welsh.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name.

    Is Wales now "woke" because it wants to promote its own language? Naming things in Wales in Welsh is "woke"? Really?
    The reason given for the name change is that 'Beacons' isn't a good look because it implies burning things which implies climate change. Which strikes me as pretty woke.

    I'd also suggest the number of Welsh speakers in the Brecon Beacons is pretty low.
    Isn't it full of Squaddies training?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    FF43 said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    Strictly speaking they are reverting back to an ancient name, which seems rather unwoke. Also the fire symbol was a bit silly as they weren't that kind of beacons.
    Not an expert but I very much doubt the area has ever been called that, not even in Welsh. Quangos making changes like that, with little or no public demand for it, is not a very good idea. Obviously been sold to them by some media agency embedded in the Taffia.
    It's a shame, because the ambition to rehabilitate the landscape, restore biodiversity etc. is very laudable.
    Apparently according to Wikipedia, which is at least as reliable as ChatGPT, variations on the Brecon Beacons name go back to the 18thC. All those names are English corruptions of the original Welsh name as now being asserted by the National Park.
  • FF43 said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    Strictly speaking they are reverting back to an ancient name, which seems rather unwoke. Also the fire symbol was a bit silly as they weren't that kind of beacons.
    It seems to me that the renaming effort has all the use of trying to stop people calling vacuum cleaners “hoovers”.
    Exactly - Snowdon and the Brecon Beacons will continue to be widely used
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Jonathan said:

    An excerpt from PB in 1923...

    "I say lock up the suffragettes with their woke nonsense. The country is going to the dogs. The rot started twenty years ago when the front page of the London Illustrated News had a lithograph depicting the Welsh countryside rather than the Chilterns."

    The suffragettes are nowadays portrayed as heroines by popular culture, but arguably put back the cause of women's representation by years. It was a battle which was being won anyway by less militant organisations; the actions of the suffragettes didn't really help and arguably set back the cause. The parallels with the the likes of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and the others are obvious.

    Also, what is their problem with snooker? It must be one of the least polluting activities in popular culture.

    Sometimes my inner Dura Ace comes out. Bypass the courts and just take them outside and give them a proper kicking.
    As I know to my great personal cost you can't just beat the fuck out of people because they annoy you. If it were legal I'd be getting up an hour earlier every day.

    JSO and XR need to ratchet up the violence. It all feels too genteel. A bit Great British Protest Off when it should feel Red Army Faction.
    The problem that ER have is that they were explicitly set up to be non-violent, but their name sounds like violence. So they're somewhat marooned in a spot between sounding too abrasive for more genteel environmentalists, and sounding as if they don't live up to their more aggressive-sounding name.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name.

    Is Wales now "woke" because it wants to promote its own language? Naming things in Wales in Welsh is "woke"? Really?
    The reason given for the name change is that 'Beacons' isn't a good look because it implies burning things which implies climate change. Which strikes me as pretty woke.

    I'd also suggest the number of Welsh speakers in the Brecon Beacons is pretty low.
    Isn't it full of Squaddies training?
    As with most National Parks, very few people actually live there at all - the boundaries tend to exclude the towns. But even if you include the 'just outside' towns like Brecon and Abergavenny, this is one of the less Welsh-speaking areas of Wales. I can see the argument for renaming Snowdonia, but this just seems daft.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723

    I'm one of those prior Tory don't knows, but after getting my local elections materials I've decided for the first time ever I'm going to vote Lib Dem in the upcoming local elections.

    The Tories don't deserve my vote. And the Lib Dems have always put me off with their NIMBYism, but the material I received had not a single hint of NIMBYism on it, so I'm going to give them a chance this time.

    Though I do wonder whether the election leaflets that they send out are adjusted depending upon the demographics of where they're sending it. I live on a new build estate, so anyone on this estate probably isn't a NIMBY - I wonder whether more NIMBYish material is being sent to other addresses instead, or whether the local candidate genuinely isn't playing on NIMBYism which I respect if so?

    Ditto. A continual majority for the Tories on Horsham District Council is a bad thing. They need a kick up the arse and I hope the electorate give them one.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name.

    Is Wales now "woke" because it wants to promote its own language? Naming things in Wales in Welsh is "woke"? Really?
    The reason given for the name change is that 'Beacons' isn't a good look because it implies burning things which implies climate change. Which strikes me as pretty woke.

    I'd also suggest the number of Welsh speakers in the Brecon Beacons is pretty low.
    Isn't it full of Squaddies training?
    As with most National Parks, very few people actually live there at all - the boundaries tend to exclude the towns. But even if you include the 'just outside' towns like Brecon and Abergavenny, this is one of the less Welsh-speaking areas of Wales. I can see the argument for renaming Snowdonia, but this just seems daft.
    Marketing. It is working.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,159
    edited April 2023

    "The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name."

    Indeed. Welch just means foreigner in anglo-saxon, as I recall.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    kjh said:

    Jonathan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    I've just been watching the BBC idents that were used between 2002 and 2006, and the interesting thing about them is that they celebrate just about everything except anything that might be described as "provincial/rural England".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqN-yo_2B4

    That's the BBC for you.

    Utterly Met in every way.
    A highly niche whinge there not actually true if you view the clip. Cornwall is pretty provincial. If you like green stuff, look at the previous idents.

    https://youtu.be/KwNBDbMqOA8
    Any mention of the BBC will have the snowflakes racing each other to find the most faux offence.
    You have to admire the determination to be outraged. It must be exhausting to live life on kind of hair trigger.
    Rather ironic given the endless amount of stuff that wokesters seem to get wound up about...
    Really? Name one here? Yet we get bombarded by the small anti woke brigade here endlessly.
    Yesterday we had the stupidity of the Woke renaming the Brecon Beacons to virture-signal about climate change, because beacons burn and emit carbon or something.

    They are quite batshit.
    The *Welsh* didn't rename anything - that name already existed. They have just declared they will exclusively use the Welsh name and not the English name.

    Is Wales now "woke" because it wants to promote its own language? Naming things in Wales in Welsh is "woke"? Really?
    'deffro' perhaps?

    (I await to be corrected by someone with actual knowledge of Welsh, rather than me who only lived in a largely English-speaking part of Wales for some years)
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