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From Mike Smithson – a personal note – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,047
edited April 2023 in General
From Mike Smithson – a personal note – politicalbetting.com

Just to say that I’m not able to post at the moment for family matters. Hopefully I’ll return quite soon.

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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,057
    Oh damn, Mike. I hope this is the kind of thing that gets better. But regardless of outcome know that we are all thinking of you, and I'm sure @rcs1000 and @TSE will look after things in your absence. Good luck.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,605
    Best wishes to you and your family Mike.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,544
    Sending best wishes Mike.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Very best wishes, Mike.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,759
    Best of luck, Mike.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Best wishes, Mike.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420
    Best wishes - hoping that it is the positive kind of family matters!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,517
    edited April 2023

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,842
    Best wishes Mike to you and all your family.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527
    Best wishes Mike
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Best wishes OGH.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,601
    Best wishes to you and your family, Mike
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,256
    Best wishes, Mike.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    edited April 2023

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040
    Sturgeon arrested, Fox bankrupted.

    What’s not to like?

    Maybe we could add a VONC in the Government
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    Good luck and best of British, OGH
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,256

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
    My vote goes to Malcolm... particularly if there's any chance of further SNP shenanigans.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,544
    edited April 2023

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
    Yes, but only because of the high probability that we won't be around to remember it.

    Joining the chorus of good wishes for Mike and all who Mike loves.
  • Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
    We may have a vote on this.

    Conducted under AV.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,481

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
    My vote goes to Malcolm... particularly if there's any chance of further SNP shenanigans.
    And we can sort all website costs issue out permanently by introducing a swear box.

    MalcolmG will be desperately hunting for work within hours to pay the fine....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,272
    Can I add my best wishes?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969
    edited April 2023
    Hope everything is OK Mike?

    Best wishes and see you soon.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Sturgeon arrested, Fox bankrupted.

    What’s not to like?

    Maybe we could add a VONC in the Government

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65301099

    TBH I wasn't expecting this one either, but here we are. Instinctively I think this is oversight rather than corruption, but that still doesn't make it right.
  • Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420
    eek said:

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
    My vote goes to Malcolm... particularly if there's any chance of further SNP shenanigans.
    And we can sort all website costs issue out permanently by introducing a swear box.

    MalcolmG will be desperately hunting for work within hours to pay the fine....
    There’s a 3 sea shells joke in there, somewhere.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    All the best Mike
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Can't be long before a pollster has Labour in single digits?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,845
    edited April 2023

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Hung parliament, minority Labour administration with Lib Dem support still a reasonable possibility, methinks ; though I think somewhere between a narrow overall Labour majority , and all the way up to the fifties, is the more likely.
  • Apparently ex civil servant suing Simon Case and the cabinet office
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 437
    Hope all turns out well
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,586

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    SKS Fans please explain
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,699
    GIN1138 said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Can't be long before a pollster has Labour in single digits?
    That would be a shock! ;)
  • eekeek Posts: 27,481

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
    We may have a vote on this.

    Conducted under AV.
    which form of AV

    Surely we need at least 1 discussion / vote on the most appropriate version of AV to be used before making such a serious decision.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,601
    I was thinking LAB around 340 a few months ago and posted as such on here. I am now thinking LAB more 290 to 330 so maybe a very small majority.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
    Based on not very much at all, I'm going to suggest something more like 45-30-10, and very slim majority or possibly C&S with the LDs and SDLP.

    Simple 'Time for a change' might be the major factor, plus I reckon RefUK will harvest more nutters away from the Tories when it comes down to it; more than Lab will lose to the Greens.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    Mike's going to be away for crossover.....
  • FossFoss Posts: 894
    The DOJ are trailing a big announcement at 6pm. It's probably just the discord traitor, but it might be something new.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    SKS Fans please explain
    Those Labour attack posters are backfiring

    They were totally stupid, certainly the first one
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    Six months ago we were in the frenzy of "Truss has to go - surely???"

    Four days later, she did.

    Politically, it seems a different world to where we are today.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040
    Ghedebrav said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
    Based on not very much at all, I'm going to suggest something more like 45-30-10, and very slim majority or possibly C&S with the LDs and SDLP.

    Simple 'Time for a change' might be the major factor, plus I reckon RefUK will harvest more nutters away from the Tories when it comes down to it; more than Lab will lose to the Greens.
    Unless Labour start getting a lot more imaginative I think you might be right.

    Especially if the LibDems start putting themselves about a bit.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Highest % of 2019 Conservative voters to say they would vote Conservative again since before the mini budget (18 Sept).

    Westminster VI, 2019 Conservative voters (16 April):

    Conservative 63% (+1)
    Don't Know 15% (+4)
    Labour 13% (-2)
    Reform 5% (–)
    Other 6% (-2)

    Changes +/- 9 Apr



    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647994630904897536?

    Look how close Con voters came to being nearly as likely to vote Labour as Con under the Trussterf*ck….
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
  • Ghedebrav said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
    Based on not very much at all, I'm going to suggest something more like 45-30-10, and very slim majority or possibly C&S with the LDs and SDLP.

    Simple 'Time for a change' might be the major factor, plus I reckon RefUK will harvest more nutters away from the Tories when it comes down to it; more than Lab will lose to the Greens.
    I think you must mean 40-35-10 which might just give a small majority now the SNP is waning. 45-30-10 would give a stonking majority.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    While Starmer has a cavalcade of wit & beauty…..
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,069

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Hung parliament, minority Labour administration with Lib Dem support still a reasonable possibility, methinks ; though I think somewhere between a narrow overall Labour majority , and all the way up to the fifties, is the more likely.
    Lab/LD would be an optimal result for me.

    I feel in the last week or so that the election campaign has started.

    It's going to get tight as the Tories are over the worst of the end Boris/Truss era. And they will start polling better than they deserve.

    SKS may have to risk trying to win rather than trying to not lose. Sunak intends to win this if he can.

    It's going to be an 18 month long Grand National, with fallers and injuries.
  • Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    He will give Starmer a good contest at the GE

    It was interesting a Sky correspondent reporting on the split in the NHS unions said that it could help the government UNFORTUNATELY

    I do not use capitals normally but it gives an insight into some journalist's mindset
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    The problem for Labour is as much Starmer as it is the perky little Sunak

    He is so remarkably uninspiring, and doesn't exude great competence, more middle management meh. Nor does he have any ideas, ever

    He could suffer in debates; it is just about possible to see him boring Britain into voting Tory again. Tho I still expect a Labour win

  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,172
    All the very best, Mike.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    He will give Starmer a good contest at the GE

    It was interesting a Sky correspondent reporting on the split in the NHS unions said that it could help the government UNFORTUNATELY

    I do not use capitals normally but it gives an insight into some journalist's mindset
    Sounds like someone with good taste!
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,699
    algarkirk said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Hung parliament, minority Labour administration with Lib Dem support still a reasonable possibility, methinks ; though I think somewhere between a narrow overall Labour majority , and all the way up to the fifties, is the more likely.
    Lab/LD would be an optimal result for me.

    I feel in the last week or so that the election campaign has started.

    It's going to get tight as the Tories are over the worst of the end Boris/Truss era. And they will start polling better than they deserve.

    SKS may have to risk trying to win rather than trying to not lose. Sunak intends to win this if he can.

    It's going to be an 18 month long Grand National, with fallers and injuries.
    Well, he should have been doing that for the last year or more anyway. Can he change gears?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,849
    Hope all ok Mike.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    Ghedebrav said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
    Based on not very much at all, I'm going to suggest something more like 45-30-10, and very slim majority or possibly C&S with the LDs and SDLP.

    Simple 'Time for a change' might be the major factor, plus I reckon RefUK will harvest more nutters away from the Tories when it comes down to it; more than Lab will lose to the Greens.
    I don't think that Labour voteshare is strong and stable and the Tories are already ticking into the low 30s.

    My base assumption is that GE2024 results in 80%+ of 2019 Tory support coming back.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,849

    Good luck Mike.

    I hope you haven't jinxed the entire polity of the UK by leaving TSE in charge.

    Yes.

    And I’m away this weekend as well.

    I’m predicting Sturgeon and Sunak to be arrested this week.
    So who is looking after the shop in your absence?

    The Dura Ace Interregnum would be....unforgettable.
    Fast, hair-raising and ultimately ends in a messy car crash?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    The problem for Labour is as much Starmer as it is the perky little Sunak

    He is so remarkably uninspiring, and doesn't exude great competence, more middle management meh. Nor does he have any ideas, ever

    He could suffer in debates; it is just about possible to see him boring Britain into voting Tory again. Tho I still expect a Labour win

    Time and time again focus groups highlight he just carps from the sidelines.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,521
    Leon said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    The problem for Labour is as much Starmer as it is the perky little Sunak

    He is so remarkably uninspiring, and doesn't exude great competence, more middle management meh. Nor does he have any ideas, ever

    He could suffer in debates; it is just about possible to see him boring Britain into voting Tory again. Tho I still expect a Labour win

    All the best OGH.

    Sunak stood in for Johnson in some of the 2019 general election debates. So he has previous.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368
    algarkirk said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Hung parliament, minority Labour administration with Lib Dem support still a reasonable possibility, methinks ; though I think somewhere between a narrow overall Labour majority , and all the way up to the fifties, is the more likely.
    Lab/LD would be an optimal result for me.

    I feel in the last week or so that the election campaign has started.

    It's going to get tight as the Tories are over the worst of the end Boris/Truss era. And they will start polling better than they deserve.

    SKS may have to risk trying to win rather than trying to not lose. Sunak intends to win this if he can.

    It's going to be an 18 month long Grand National, with fallers and injuries.
    I've always been on the more pessimistic end of the spectrum for 2024. I don't buy mid term polls at all and felt remarkable that Labour were even in with a shout given 2019.

    Starmer's challenge was worsened by going up 2-0 at half time, faced with the impossible task to hold that lead for two years. Human psychology means that the gap will narrow and 2-2 entering the election campaign is likely IMO.

    That said, my gut is that Labour will come out ahead in the end. It will be unthinkable for the Tories to be rewarded with another term given what they have done and the devastating consequences for the country if that goes unpunished by the electorate.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,571

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    While Starmer has a cavalcade of wit & beauty…..
    You obviously live in an alternate universe.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,481


    This 1 is easy - within 2 weeks of the PM visiting and having a photo alongside the pothole.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,571
    edited April 2023
    Although Sunak isn't that charismatic.... He is eons ahead of Starmer who is like a block.of wood.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
    Oh, that old chestnut.



  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420
    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    Which model of Black Cab does she drive?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,845
    edited April 2023

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
    However, I think this is part of the same reason why mre of the left-of-centre and liberal voters, such as myself, will solidify behind him, than in the period of late Blairism. The result could be a narrow Labour majority , I thik.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
    Imagine 2017 (C-40 / L-38) but with three changes:

    (1) The SNP down to the 35% mark in Scotland, with the major beneficiary being the Labour Party, but with the Conservatives and LDs also benefitting somewhat.

    (2) The LDs on 12% (as in 2019), rather than the 7.4% they got in 2017.

    (3) A modest return of tactical voting.

    What would that give us? Con 305, Lab 305, SNP 25, LD 18?

    I don't think that's an impossible outcome. Indeed, it's perfectly possible.

    But it also makes it clear how significant the hill is for the Conservatives. Even if they pass the Labour Party, and get back to the levels of 2017, then the decline of the SNP, the LDs doing somewhat better and a bit of tactical voting, means they are struggling to get much above 300.

    On the other hand: the decline of the SNP (and the fact the LDs will be lucky to get past 20 seats) makes it a hell of a lot easier for someone (anyone) to get a majority.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,069
    Driver said:

    algarkirk said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Hung parliament, minority Labour administration with Lib Dem support still a reasonable possibility, methinks ; though I think somewhere between a narrow overall Labour majority , and all the way up to the fifties, is the more likely.
    Lab/LD would be an optimal result for me.

    I feel in the last week or so that the election campaign has started.

    It's going to get tight as the Tories are over the worst of the end Boris/Truss era. And they will start polling better than they deserve.

    SKS may have to risk trying to win rather than trying to not lose. Sunak intends to win this if he can.

    It's going to be an 18 month long Grand National, with fallers and injuries.
    Well, he should have been doing that for the last year or more anyway. Can he change gears?
    Don't know. I hope he is the next PM, but like most people, without much excitement. If he were in a job shortlist he would get it if he were the best candidate, and you would be glad to have him rather than start again; but a stellar candidate would have no great trouble beating him.

    But the campaign has started. Boat people nonsense; BBC reporting a sudden outbreak of optimism among random UK companies; terrible attack ads; compulsory maths for everyone apart from old Tory voters (after the election). Time to start watching the Sun carefully. They back winners.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
    However, I think this is part of the same reason why left-of-centre and liberal voters, such as myself, will solidify behind him, than late Blairism. The result could be a narrow Labour majority , I thik.
    It is time for change and Sunak isn't change.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    I get this... I've factored in SNP equalising voteshare in Scotland at 34% a piece, and the Tories roughly holding their share there due to SNP collapse.

    UK-wide: an increase in the Greens to 5.5%, LDs uptick to 14%, Reform a non-event to 2.5%, and Labour on 40% with Tories on 37%.

    Result:

    Labour 317
    Cons 273
    LD 19
    SNP 19
    Greens 1
    Plaid 3
    Others 18

    Probably Labour minority with LD S&C. Seems plausible.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368

    I get this... I've factored in SNP equalising voteshare in Scotland at 34% a piece, and the Tories roughly holding their share there due to SNP collapse.

    UK-wide: an increase in the Greens to 5.5%, LDs uptick to 14%, Reform a non-event to 2.5%, and Labour on 40% with Tories on 37%.

    Result:

    Labour 317
    Cons 273
    LD 19
    SNP 19
    Greens 1
    Plaid 3
    Others 18

    Probably Labour minority with LD S&C. Seems plausible.

    And the LoO is?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,085
    algarkirk said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Hung parliament, minority Labour administration with Lib Dem support still a reasonable possibility, methinks ; though I think somewhere between a narrow overall Labour majority , and all the way up to the fifties, is the more likely.
    Lab/LD would be an optimal result for me.

    I feel in the last week or so that the election campaign has started.

    It's going to get tight as the Tories are over the worst of the end Boris/Truss era. And they will start polling better than they deserve.

    SKS may have to risk trying to win rather than trying to not lose. Sunak intends to win this if he can.

    It's going to be an 18 month long Grand National, with fallers and injuries.
    Starmer is being advised by the same people as helped Tony Blair, and prior to that Neil Kinnock. Peter Mandelson and Lynton Crosby are electoral geniuses when they win but people forget the Kinnocks and Howards.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,845
    edited April 2023
    If the LibDems have any sense, in the event of a hung parliament, they'll demand a referendum on single market membership in exchange for support, and not let themselves be bamboozled.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,699
    Jonathan said:

    algarkirk said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Hung parliament, minority Labour administration with Lib Dem support still a reasonable possibility, methinks ; though I think somewhere between a narrow overall Labour majority , and all the way up to the fifties, is the more likely.
    Lab/LD would be an optimal result for me.

    I feel in the last week or so that the election campaign has started.

    It's going to get tight as the Tories are over the worst of the end Boris/Truss era. And they will start polling better than they deserve.

    SKS may have to risk trying to win rather than trying to not lose. Sunak intends to win this if he can.

    It's going to be an 18 month long Grand National, with fallers and injuries.
    I've always been on the more pessimistic end of the spectrum for 2024. I don't buy mid term polls at all and felt remarkable that Labour were even in with a shout given 2019.

    Starmer's challenge was worsened by going up 2-0 at half time, faced with the impossible task to hold that lead for two years. Human psychology means that the gap will narrow and 2-2 entering the election campaign is likely IMO.

    That said, my gut is that Labour will come out ahead in the end. It will be unthinkable for the Tories to be rewarded with another term given what they have done and the devastating consequences for the country if that goes unpunished by the electorate.
    And you wonder why I've been begging for Sir Keir to come up with some ideas.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,089
    eek said:



    This 1 is easy - within 2 weeks of the PM visiting and having a photo alongside the pothole.

    Nah. It depends on the time of year. If you are lucky enough to get your potholes in the late winter then they will be fixed before April when the councils are spending up the remains of their road budget before the end of the financial year. If you get your potholes in late spring then tough. You will have to wait until at least next March before anything is done.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,699
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
    Oh, that old chestnut.



    The difference is Blair was actually popular.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,256
    Weird how R&W now have the Labour lead as being smaller than Opinium do. Who would have thought that would happen?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,069

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
    They may notice there isn't a One Nation Tory party standing. SKS is the nearest thing.

  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,256
    Interestingly, yet another R&W poll with a Labour subsample lead in Scotland.
    Has anyone considered the possibility Labour could win 20+ seats in Scotland yet still ultimately lose the election?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368
    Here's a fun one.

    Con 37%
    Lab 36%
    Lib 15%
    (with SNP leading Labour 38% to 32% in Scotland)

    CON 296 (30 Short)
    LAB 282
    LD 18
    SNP 30

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    Jonathan said:

    I get this... I've factored in SNP equalising voteshare in Scotland at 34% a piece, and the Tories roughly holding their share there due to SNP collapse.

    UK-wide: an increase in the Greens to 5.5%, LDs uptick to 14%, Reform a non-event to 2.5%, and Labour on 40% with Tories on 37%.

    Result:

    Labour 317
    Cons 273
    LD 19
    SNP 19
    Greens 1
    Plaid 3
    Others 18

    Probably Labour minority with LD S&C. Seems plausible.

    And the LoO is?
    Hmm. Don't know. Presume Sunak would stand down.

    Maybe Kemi?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
    They may notice there isn't a One Nation Tory party standing. SKS is the nearest thing.

    He really isn't mate.

    I can't change your mind or your vote, but I think you're misguided and that you're going to be bitterly disappointed.
  • Sending best wishes to Mike and hoping all is ok
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727

    Interestingly, yet another R&W poll with a Labour subsample lead in Scotland.
    Has anyone considered the possibility Labour could win 20+ seats in Scotland yet still ultimately lose the election?

    Labour will pile up votes in their city centre heartlands, the Tories will be squeaky-bum efficient at saving seats with tiny majorities. Is my guess....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139
    rcs1000 said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
    Imagine 2017 (C-40 / L-38) but with three changes:

    (1) The SNP down to the 35% mark in Scotland, with the major beneficiary being the Labour Party, but with the Conservatives and LDs also benefitting somewhat.

    (2) The LDs on 12% (as in 2019), rather than the 7.4% they got in 2017.

    (3) A modest return of tactical voting.

    What would that give us? Con 305, Lab 305, SNP 25, LD 18?

    I don't think that's an impossible outcome. Indeed, it's perfectly possible.

    But it also makes it clear how significant the hill is for the Conservatives. Even if they pass the Labour Party, and get back to the levels of 2017, then the decline of the SNP, the LDs doing somewhat better and a bit of tactical voting, means they are struggling to get much above 300.

    On the other hand: the decline of the SNP (and the fact the LDs will be lucky to get past 20 seats) makes it a hell of a lot easier for someone (anyone) to get a majority.
    Correct, and there's also very little in terms of votes that can shift the dial 20 or 30 seats either which way.

    That makes masses of difference to the final Government that results.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    Jonathan said:

    Here's a fun one.

    Con 37%
    Lab 36%
    Lib 15%
    (with SNP leading Labour 38% to 32% in Scotland)

    CON 296 (30 Short)
    LAB 282
    LD 18
    SNP 30

    In that event a 2025 GE is nailed on.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,089
    Jonathan said:

    Here's a fun one.

    Con 37%
    Lab 36%
    Lib 15%
    (with SNP leading Labour 38% to 32% in Scotland)

    CON 296 (30 Short)
    LAB 282
    LD 18
    SNP 30

    I suspect that would result in a second GE in very short order. I can't see the SNP supporting Labour without the commitment to a new Independence vote and I can't see Starmer agreeing to that. I could of course be wrong on both those assumptions but I think a second GE would be the most likely outcome.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    I'd be quite happy for Labour to win (the Tories have gone on FAR too long, and need a spell in Opposition), the one thing holding me back is, indeed, Starmer himself

    The idea of him waffling at me for five years. Jeez. And he's knocking on, and looks it. He's not a fount of youthful energy and new ideas. He is The DULLNESS

    The DULLNESS was an advantage when faced with Truss, and, to an extent, Boris

    But Sunak is also quite DULL without being so horribly DULL, and Sunak has a mild likeability, and - also, crucially - a modest sense of energy. Optimism. Ambition

    Hmm

    Sunak will need an awful lot of luck - inflation plunging, some sudden growth as China reopens, unexepcted seats from the SNP, maybe a few gaffes by Labour - to get near a "win", but I no longer see it as entirely impossible. Just highly unlikely
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    While Starmer has a cavalcade of wit & beauty…..
    Well no, but nor are they as actively inept, nasty, bonkers and corrupt.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228
    Jonathan said:

    Here's a fun one.

    Con 37%
    Lab 36%
    Lib 15%
    (with SNP leading Labour 38% to 32% in Scotland)

    CON 296 (30 Short)
    LAB 282
    LD 18
    SNP 30

    Electoral Calculus?

    If the LDs are +3 and the Conservatives -7 points, then I think the LDs will do slightly better than that:

    Hazel Grove, for example, has the LDs 10 points behind, but with a big Labour vote to squeeze.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,631
    rcs1000 said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    What would GE2024 be as a very approximate reversal of GE2017 with a slight handicap?

    I'm think Labour 41% and Conservative 37%. Maybe a little bit of tactical voting on top, but not extensively so.
    Imagine 2017 (C-40 / L-38) but with three changes:

    (1) The SNP down to the 35% mark in Scotland, with the major beneficiary being the Labour Party, but with the Conservatives and LDs also benefitting somewhat.

    (2) The LDs on 12% (as in 2019), rather than the 7.4% they got in 2017.

    (3) A modest return of tactical voting.

    What would that give us? Con 305, Lab 305, SNP 25, LD 18?

    I don't think that's an impossible outcome. Indeed, it's perfectly possible.

    But it also makes it clear how significant the hill is for the Conservatives. Even if they pass the Labour Party, and get back to the levels of 2017, then the decline of the SNP, the LDs doing somewhat better and a bit of tactical voting, means they are struggling to get much above 300.

    On the other hand: the decline of the SNP (and the fact the LDs will be lucky to get past 20 seats) makes it a hell of a lot easier for someone (anyone) to get a majority.
    A very strong opposition versus a minority Government with C/S won’t be fun for that Government in the era of 24 hour news and social media. And Labour finding itself in that position is my working assumption.

    It’s Labour’s “turn” to get two terms in a row (I broadly think alternating sets of two terms each is best for the country) but I reckon that mix might easily see the Tories back in quickly.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,069

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    You also have things the like the Robert Colville article in The Sunday Times which pointed out, correctly, IMHO, that Starmer is actually quite left-wing, who adopts positions as flags of convenience, and nothing really like Blair.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmers-not-as-centrist-as-hed-like-you-to-think-6209tvt72

    I can't see many Conservative voters not noticing that as they finally come to cast their ballots.
    They may notice there isn't a One Nation Tory party standing. SKS is the nearest thing.

    He really isn't mate.

    I can't change your mind or your vote, but I think you're misguided and that you're going to be bitterly disappointed.
    Maybe. But it is essential that the Tories have a spell in opposition to work out what they are for, and no other government is in prospect. Lab/LD outcome would be best.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451

    Weird how R&W now have the Labour lead as being smaller than Opinium do. Who would have thought that would happen?

    The R&W Reform number is lower - and probably a lot more realistic.

  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,860
    FPT: In the WSJ, James Taranto has contributed a defense of Clarence Thomas: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-truth-about-clarence-thomas-disclosures-propublica-georgia-harlan-crow-ethics-court-91cd21df?mod=djemalertNEWS (It's outside their paywall.)

    Taranto accuses ProPublica of getting some facts wrong, and misunderstanding the rules. In the past I have found him to be a competent, honest journalist, but I haven't followed this story closely enough to have an opinion on who is right.

    But I will say that leftwing journalists in the US have become less confined to mere facts, in recent years. (Example: the 1619 project.) Most haven't reached Tucker Carlson levels, but they are heading in his direction.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,699
    Ghedebrav said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    Labour leads by 12%, the narrowest lead for Labour since Rishi Sunak became PM.

    Westminster VI (16 April):

    Labour 44% (–)
    Conservative 32% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 10% (–)
    Reform UK 4% (-2)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (+1)
    Other 1% (-1)

    Changes +/- 9 April

    redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti…

    https://twitter.com/redfieldwilton/status/1647993437726072836?s=46

    Sunak is slowly scrambling his way back. Hmmm


    I had a drink with a lady friend who has come to loathe the Tories in recent months, and was a definite potential switcher to Starmer

    She has switched back to the Tories. Because she likes Sunak. "He just looks like he can get things done"

    I suspect 12-18 months will be long enough for the sheen to wear off. If nothing else, he has a cabinet rammed with liabilities.
    While Starmer has a cavalcade of wit & beauty…..
    Well no, but nor are they as actively inept, nasty, bonkers and corrupt.
    TBF it is more difficult to show those things in Opposition. But there's plenty of nasty and bonkers on the Labour benches.
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