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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    Until 1971 we had it for Arson in a Naval Dockyard.
    I recall the memoirs of a lawyer (who became a judge) who noted he got harshly complained at, when he commented to a young offender that he (the offender) was actually being dealt with lightly.

    The young man was complaining about being in court etc. The lawyer pointed out that the building he'd set fire to was inside the boundary of a Royal Dockyard....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    viewcode said:

    Did you know April 14 is the birthday of both Sarah Michelle Gellar (46) and Peter Capaldi (65)? Well, you do now...

    A Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Doctor Who crossover could have been awesome.
    There’s slash fiction of Captain Jack Barrowman and Spike.

    Based on the appearance of James Marsters in Torchwood.
    There's slash fiction of characters who have never had actors appear together in anything, or even from different mediums.
    I don't think the authors are over concerned with its basis.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    Fuck me, AI is amazing. We are doomed
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    Andy_JS said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 48% (+2)
    CON: 25% (-1)
    LDEM: 9% (-1)
    REF: 7% (-)
    GRN: 5% (-)

    via @Omnisis, 12 - 13 Apr

    This firm seems to regularly produce the best figures for Lab and worst for the Tories.
    Yes, they're excellent. Really know their onions.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,684
    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    ChatGPT is an idiot

    Looks like this is the last execution for anything other than murder/treason in peacetime


    "1861. Last execution for attempted murder when Martin Doyle suffered at Chester on the 27th of August."

    http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/timeline.html
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    Jeepers, the last beheading and quartering for treason was as late as.... 1820

    Yikes
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792
    Leon said:

    Fuck it, bring back hanging for stealing loaves. And littering

    Definitely littering and not parking correctly in parking bays as well
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    Without googling, I'd say it was on July 27, 1833, when Samuel Yarham was hanged for rape in Norwich?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    edited April 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck it, bring back hanging for stealing loaves. And littering

    Definitely littering and not parking correctly in parking bays as well
    And REALLY noisy motorbikes
  • eekeek Posts: 28,377
    posted without comment for the lols

    image
  • Unison voted decisively for the NHS offer
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    Leon said:

    ChatGPT is an idiot

    Looks like this is the last execution for anything other than murder/treason in peacetime

    "1861. Last execution for attempted murder when Martin Doyle suffered at Chester on the 27th of August."

    http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/timeline.html

    Martin Doyle? 1861? In Chester? That doesn't sound right.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    Without googling, I'd say it was on July 27, 1833, when Samuel Yarham was hanged for rape in Norwich?
    Chances are these days the CPS would have pulled it before the first court appearance.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
    I did say IF THIS IS ACCURATE - because I know ChatGPT hallucinates

    What is fascinating is how convincingly it hallucinates. It plucks closely associated facts and stitches them together with utter conviction to create a total falsehood. There was a Samuel Yarham hanged around that time, but it was not rape and it was not "the last execution blah blah"

    ChatGPT reminds me of a friend of mine who was a brilliant salesman who could successfully sell a dead donkey to a horse breeder and convince him it was a fine Arabian stallion in the best of health. How? Because he would convince HIMSELF this was true, so he spoke with total conviction. And that is highly persuasive

    He had to convince himself first - and he did - and then he became entirely sincere and dangerously mendacious
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Omnisis
    @Omnisis
    ·
    1h
    3/ Meanwhile, in the two-horse race that is our Best Prime Minister tracker, we’re going to need a photo finish this week …

    🔴 Sir Keir Starmer: 33% (-3)
    🔵 Rishi Sunak: 33% (+5)
    ⚪ Don’t Know: 34% (-2)"

    https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1646861433022345216

    Who was it on here that said the Labour poster attack ads were obviously working?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
    Pointing out arguments for a thesis of voter suppression is bad faith? If that's the case it's impossible to argue against your position.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Omnisis
    @Omnisis
    ·
    1h
    3/ Meanwhile, in the two-horse race that is our Best Prime Minister tracker, we’re going to need a photo finish this week …

    🔴 Sir Keir Starmer: 33% (-3)
    🔵 Rishi Sunak: 33% (+5)
    ⚪ Don’t Know: 34% (-2)"

    https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1646861433022345216

    Who was it on here that said the Labour poster attack ads were obviously working?
    In Sunak's favour ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck it, bring back hanging for stealing loaves. And littering

    Definitely littering and not parking correctly in parking bays as well
    A definite 'yes' on the parking. Don't walk off until it's straight and neat.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    I just told ChatGPT it is an idiot, and asked again. Answer?


    England abolished the death penalty for almost all crimes in 1965, but it was still possible to receive a death sentence for the crimes of treason and murder until the abolition of the death penalty for murder in 1969. As far as I know, England has never had the death penalty for anything other than murder or treason, even during wartime.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,090
    edited April 2023
    Now that Unison have *overwhelming accepted the governments offer for NHS staff I expect the government will refuse to reopen discussions with the RCN and impose the settlement

    *288,000 members voted 74/26

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    Without googling, I'd say it was on July 27, 1833, when Samuel Yarham was hanged for rape in Norwich?
    Chances are these days the CPS would have pulled it before the first court appearance.
    Yep, Sam was born too soon.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,377

    Andy_JS said:

    "Omnisis
    @Omnisis
    ·
    1h
    3/ Meanwhile, in the two-horse race that is our Best Prime Minister tracker, we’re going to need a photo finish this week …

    🔴 Sir Keir Starmer: 33% (-3)
    🔵 Rishi Sunak: 33% (+5)
    ⚪ Don’t Know: 34% (-2)"

    https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1646861433022345216

    Who was it on here that said the Labour poster attack ads were obviously working?
    Anyone who was watching how Tory supporting media were complaining about them.

    I knew they had hit the target when Guido started complaining...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    ChatGPT is now claiming that someone called "Vivian Tree" was hanged for burglary with violence in 1965

    If it gets things wrong, and you challenge it, it seems to go crazy
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Suella are you watching? Slot this into the Conservative Party manifesto and you get a landslide.

    P.S. I am opposed to all capital sentences, but one couldn't blame the punters for lapping this one up Suella.
    Is a dead paedophile allowed to apply to the court of criminal appeal (whatever it is called) if new evidence appaearing to prove innocence turns up? Asking for a friend.
    Surely a posthumous apology would suffice.

    I am reminded of poor old Stefan Kitchko whenever I see this old nonsense.

    My point is, if Suella wants an easy win, and some future PM kudos, she could do much worse that this. The RedWall would love it.
    Indeed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
    Pointing out arguments for a thesis of voter suppression is bad faith? If that's the case it's impossible to argue against your position.
    It's a clear sign that he's assuming what he's trying to prove.

    The whole argument falls down because surveys (I mean real ones, not ones by nutters like Byline Times) have found that demographics that lean Tory are more likely to be without valid ID than those that lean Labour, so anybody still arguing that the Tories are engaging in voter suppresion are clearly arguing in bad faith and can be ignored.

    As can anyone in 3 weeks' time claiming they were "turned away" - the polling card (and even the envelope it comes in) are quite clear.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    Leon said:

    ChatGPT is now claiming that someone called "Vivian Tree" was hanged for burglary with violence in 1965

    If it gets things wrong, and you challenge it, it seems to go crazy

    Like certain PBers, in fact, making me wonder just who or what they are.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,369
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
    I did say IF THIS IS ACCURATE - because I know ChatGPT hallucinates

    What is fascinating is how convincingly it hallucinates. It plucks closely associated facts and stitches them together with utter conviction to create a total falsehood. There was a Samuel Yarham hanged around that time, but it was not rape and it was not "the last execution blah blah"

    ChatGPT reminds me of a friend of mine who was a brilliant salesman who could successfully sell a dead donkey to a horse breeder and convince him it was a fine Arabian stallion in the best of health. How? Because he would convince HIMSELF this was true, so he spoke with total conviction. And that is highly persuasive

    He had to convince himself first - and he did - and then he became entirely sincere and dangerously mendacious
    Yes. The current large language models are decently described as plausible bullshit generators. The thing is, as you note, people who bullshit can be really successful, so these algorithms will have plenty of success too.

    A lot of people will accept them as arbiters of truth. And we used to laugh at people using Wikipedia as a source for facts.
  • eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Omnisis
    @Omnisis
    ·
    1h
    3/ Meanwhile, in the two-horse race that is our Best Prime Minister tracker, we’re going to need a photo finish this week …

    🔴 Sir Keir Starmer: 33% (-3)
    🔵 Rishi Sunak: 33% (+5)
    ⚪ Don’t Know: 34% (-2)"

    https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1646861433022345216

    Who was it on here that said the Labour poster attack ads were obviously working?
    Anyone who was watching how Tory supporting media were complaining about them.

    I knew they had hit the target when Guido started complaining...
    And the Guardian together with some Labour mps ?
  • Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Governor DeSantis said "this important new law will uphold American values and protect life. These new Patriot Militias will keep Godfearing Americans safe by simply shooting anyone they deem to be deviant in the streets"
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    edited April 2023
    Leon said:

    ChatGPT is now claiming that someone called "Vivian Tree" was hanged for burglary with violence in 1965

    If it gets things wrong, and you challenge it, it seems to go crazy

    We should get it on here, it would fit right in.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    edited April 2023
    Leon said:

    ChatGPT is now claiming that someone called "Vivian Tree" was hanged for burglary with violence in 1965

    If it gets things wrong, and you challenge it, it seems to go crazy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Teed

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43967213
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    Life expectancy rose while George W. Bush was president, but began to flatten out, and then finally to fall while Barack Obama was president:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_04-508.pdf
    (Minorities hardest hit.)


    And then it fell sharply when COVID hit, while Donald the Loser was president.

    (FWIW, test scores on NAEP follow a surprisingly similar pattern.)


  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,706
    Strange that Omnisis has swing from Con to Lab but also a swing from Starmer to Sunak.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    ChatGPT is now claiming that someone called "Vivian Tree" was hanged for burglary with violence in 1965

    If it gets things wrong, and you challenge it, it seems to go crazy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Teed

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43967213
    It's so strange how it makes these mosaics of half truths and weird lies
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405

    Life expectancy rose while George W. Bush was president, but began to flatten out, and then finally to fall while Barack Obama was president:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_04-508.pdf
    (Minorities hardest hit.)


    And then it fell sharply when COVID hit, while Donald the Loser was president.

    (FWIW, test scores on NAEP follow a surprisingly similar pattern.)


    and yet life expectency in the houses of Congress kept rising with an average age of 109
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
    I did say IF THIS IS ACCURATE - because I know ChatGPT hallucinates

    What is fascinating is how convincingly it hallucinates. It plucks closely associated facts and stitches them together with utter conviction to create a total falsehood. There was a Samuel Yarham hanged around that time, but it was not rape and it was not "the last execution blah blah"

    ChatGPT reminds me of a friend of mine who was a brilliant salesman who could successfully sell a dead donkey to a horse breeder and convince him it was a fine Arabian stallion in the best of health. How? Because he would convince HIMSELF this was true, so he spoke with total conviction. And that is highly persuasive

    He had to convince himself first - and he did - and then he became entirely sincere and dangerously mendacious
    Yes. The current large language models are decently described as plausible bullshit generators. The thing is, as you note, people who bullshit can be really successful, so these algorithms will have plenty of success too.

    A lot of people will accept them as arbiters of truth. And we used to laugh at people using Wikipedia as a source for facts.
    We will end up worshipping the God of Lies
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    edited April 2023
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Suella are you watching? Slot this into the Conservative Party manifesto and you get a landslide.

    P.S. I am opposed to all capital sentences, but one couldn't blame the punters for lapping this one up Suella.
    Is a dead paedophile allowed to apply to the court of criminal appeal (whatever it is called) if new evidence appaearing to prove innocence turns up? Asking for a friend.
    Ah but this new law would only apply if they were proved through forensics. DNA doesn't lie.


    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/oct/02/dna-in-the-dock-how-flawed-techniques-send-innocent-people-to-prison
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    edited April 2023
    O/T

    Jimmy Anderson has been in action today for Lancashire vs Essex. Watch him bowling at around minus 4 and a half hours on the live stream.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGs3rS7-Vnc
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Leon said:

    I just told ChatGPT it is an idiot, and asked again. Answer?


    England abolished the death penalty for almost all crimes in 1965, but it was still possible to receive a death sentence for the crimes of treason and murder until the abolition of the death penalty for murder in 1969. As far as I know, England has never had the death penalty for anything other than murder or treason, even during wartime.

    I think in early victorian times you could get hung for theft above a certain value.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Life expectancy rose while George W. Bush was president, but began to flatten out, and then finally to fall while Barack Obama was president:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_04-508.pdf
    (Minorities hardest hit.)


    And then it fell sharply when COVID hit, while Donald the Loser was president.

    (FWIW, test scores on NAEP follow a surprisingly similar pattern.)


    and yet life expectency in the houses of Congress kept rising with an average age of 109
    Because generally congressmen and women don't eat junk food, smoke, or take opioids as much as the American poor. And they get vaccinated.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,706
    Unison:

    Yes 112k
    No 40k

    Turnout 53%

    If RCN has voted No that would be a very big difference in voting patterns. Why would that be?

    Also if RCN is No but close, may be questionable whether they can get 40% of total membership to vote for strikes in next strike ballot.

    ie If only just over 50% for strike, will need almost 80% turnout.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    Another weird ChatGPT answer


    "The last execution for a crime other than murder or treason in England and Wales was that of Richard Thomas Parker, who was hanged in 1861 for piracy."

    In fact, Richard Thomas Parker was the last man executed in public in Nottingham, and it was for murder, in 1864

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/story-last-person-publicly-executed-5978960

    10,000 people watched
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    MikeL said:

    Strange that Omnisis has swing from Con to Lab but also a swing from Starmer to Sunak.

    Leader ratings include DK and WNV, right? I guess that could be behind it although my brain is fairly fried so I can't justify it in any detail now!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Suella are you watching? Slot this into the Conservative Party manifesto and you get a landslide.

    P.S. I am opposed to all capital sentences, but one couldn't blame the punters for lapping this one up Suella.
    Is a dead paedophile allowed to apply to the court of criminal appeal (whatever it is called) if new evidence appaearing to prove innocence turns up? Asking for a friend.
    Surely a posthumous apology would suffice.

    I am reminded of poor old Stefan Kitchko whenever I see this old nonsense.

    My point is, if Suella wants an easy win, and some future PM kudos, she could do much worse that this. The RedWall would love it.
    Indeed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed
    Of course Stefan Kizsco was defended by pro hanging Conservative Grandee David Waddington. When you read the case, you realise that Coppers also knew how to fit up suspects, "good and proper" back in the day!
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
    I did say IF THIS IS ACCURATE - because I know ChatGPT hallucinates

    What is fascinating is how convincingly it hallucinates. It plucks closely associated facts and stitches them together with utter conviction to create a total falsehood. There was a Samuel Yarham hanged around that time, but it was not rape and it was not "the last execution blah blah"

    ChatGPT reminds me of a friend of mine who was a brilliant salesman who could successfully sell a dead donkey to a horse breeder and convince him it was a fine Arabian stallion in the best of health. How? Because he would convince HIMSELF this was true, so he spoke with total conviction. And that is highly persuasive

    He had to convince himself first - and he did - and then he became entirely sincere and dangerously mendacious
    The world is going to be increasingly tough for those of below average IQ. We are already seeing it by how many fool for things like Donald Trump being on their side. If you say something vaguely convincing that reconfirms their existing biases, people will swallow it, unless you are both high IQ and have a disagreeable streak.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    Driver said:

    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
    Pointing out arguments for a thesis of voter suppression is bad faith? If that's the case it's impossible to argue against your position.
    It's a clear sign that he's assuming what he's trying to prove.

    The whole argument falls down because surveys (I mean real ones, not ones by nutters like Byline Times) have found that demographics that lean Tory are more likely to be without valid ID than those that lean Labour, so anybody still arguing that the Tories are engaging in voter suppresion are clearly arguing in bad faith and can be ignored.

    As can anyone in 3 weeks' time claiming they were "turned away" - the polling card (and even the envelope it comes in) are quite clear.
    And how quickly is HMG processing such things?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    WillG said:

    Life expectancy rose while George W. Bush was president, but began to flatten out, and then finally to fall while Barack Obama was president:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_04-508.pdf
    (Minorities hardest hit.)


    And then it fell sharply when COVID hit, while Donald the Loser was president.

    (FWIW, test scores on NAEP follow a surprisingly similar pattern.)


    and yet life expectency in the houses of Congress kept rising with an average age of 109
    Because generally congressmen and women don't eat junk food, smoke, or take opioids as much as the American poor. And they get vaccinated.
    Or could it be that they earn such large amounts of moolah their family cant afford the pay cut ?

  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    Life expectancy rose while George W. Bush was president, but began to flatten out, and then finally to fall while Barack Obama was president:
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_04-508.pdf
    (Minorities hardest hit.)


    And then it fell sharply when COVID hit, while Donald the Loser was president.

    (FWIW, test scores on NAEP follow a surprisingly similar pattern.)


    and yet life expectency in the houses of Congress kept rising with an average age of 109
    Because generally congressmen and women don't eat junk food, smoke, or take opioids as much as the American poor. And they get vaccinated.
    Or could it be that they earn such large amounts of moolah their family cant afford the pay cut ?

    Many congressmen often have ill begotten gains. And wealth definitely helps health. But the main mechanism for that is better lifestyle behaviours.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Good news for the government.

    NHS Unison members accept pay deal offer in England
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65275362
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    edited April 2023
    I'm pretty sure there have been death penalties for things other than murders and treasons. Indeed, quite a lot of them, From Wiki:


    "Sir Samuel Romilly, speaking to the House of Commons on capital punishment in 1810, declared that "[there is] no country on the face of the earth in which there [have] been so many different offences according to law to be punished with death as in England".[5] Known as the "Bloody Code", at its height the criminal law included some 220 crimes punishable by death, including "being in the company of Gypsies for one month", "strong evidence of malice in a child aged 7–14 years of age" and "blacking the face or using a disguise whilst committing a crime"."


    BEING IN THE COMPANY OF GYPSIES FOR ONE MONTH. Sorry. Hanging it is

    Also, my kids would be a bit screwed by that "evidence of malice in an 8 year old" clause
  • eekeek Posts: 28,377

    Leon said:

    I just told ChatGPT it is an idiot, and asked again. Answer?


    England abolished the death penalty for almost all crimes in 1965, but it was still possible to receive a death sentence for the crimes of treason and murder until the abolition of the death penalty for murder in 1969. As far as I know, England has never had the death penalty for anything other than murder or treason, even during wartime.

    I think in early victorian times you could get hung for theft above a certain value.
    In 1832 the death penalty was removed for all theft except forgery of wills and certain powers of attorney - so close but no cigar given that Victoria's reign began in 1837.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992
    Leon said:

    We will end up worshipping the God of Lies

    You might.

    But you also worshipped BoZo
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    AlistairM said:

    Good news for the government.

    NHS Unison members accept pay deal offer in England
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65275362

    74% accepted the offer of lump sum payment and then 5% raise. Junior Doctors trying to start negotiations at 35% is going to look even more ridiculous if nurses have accepted 5%.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
    I did say IF THIS IS ACCURATE - because I know ChatGPT hallucinates

    What is fascinating is how convincingly it hallucinates. It plucks closely associated facts and stitches them together with utter conviction to create a total falsehood. There was a Samuel Yarham hanged around that time, but it was not rape and it was not "the last execution blah blah"

    ChatGPT reminds me of a friend of mine who was a brilliant salesman who could successfully sell a dead donkey to a horse breeder and convince him it was a fine Arabian stallion in the best of health. How? Because he would convince HIMSELF this was true, so he spoke with total conviction. And that is highly persuasive

    He had to convince himself first - and he did - and then he became entirely sincere and dangerously mendacious
    Yes. The current large language models are decently described as plausible bullshit generators. The thing is, as you note, people who bullshit can be really successful, so these algorithms will have plenty of success too.

    A lot of people will accept them as arbiters of truth. And we used to laugh at people using Wikipedia as a source for facts.
    We will end up worshipping the God of Lies
    Start?

    That's a bit optimistic about previous targets of worship.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342
    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
    I did say IF THIS IS ACCURATE - because I know ChatGPT hallucinates

    What is fascinating is how convincingly it hallucinates. It plucks closely associated facts and stitches them together with utter conviction to create a total falsehood. There was a Samuel Yarham hanged around that time, but it was not rape and it was not "the last execution blah blah"

    ChatGPT reminds me of a friend of mine who was a brilliant salesman who could successfully sell a dead donkey to a horse breeder and convince him it was a fine Arabian stallion in the best of health. How? Because he would convince HIMSELF this was true, so he spoke with total conviction. And that is highly persuasive

    He had to convince himself first - and he did - and then he became entirely sincere and dangerously mendacious
    The world is going to be increasingly tough for those of below average IQ. We are already seeing it by how many fool for things like Donald Trump being on their side. If you say something vaguely convincing that reconfirms their existing biases, people will swallow it, unless you are both high IQ and have a disagreeable streak.
    Deepfake voices are nearly perfect. A colleague showed me an example the other day

    So you will get someone who sounds exactly - and I mean EXACTLY - like your beloved 15 year old daughter calling up begging for money or she will be hurt or kidnapped or whatever, PLEASE send money now, and you will send it, because it's your kid

    What are you going to do, ask your weeping child to prove that she's not a computer, even as the kidnappers put a knife to her throat?

    The end of truth will be a dark dark time, in many ways
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    BTW, here is a simple bar chart (figure 2) illustrating a point that I have made before: Life expectancies for groups in the US do not vary by income in a neat, predictable way. Before COVID, of the six largest groups in the US, the one with the highest life expectancy was Hispanic females (84.3 years). White males, the wealthiest of the six groups, had a life expectancy of 76.1 years, higher only than black males.

    source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr69/nvsr69-12-508.pdf

    (With COVID fading, I expect the life expectancies for the groups will soon return to their usual order.)
  • Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7
  • eekeek Posts: 28,377
    Driver said:

    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
    Pointing out arguments for a thesis of voter suppression is bad faith? If that's the case it's impossible to argue against your position.
    It's a clear sign that he's assuming what he's trying to prove.

    The whole argument falls down because surveys (I mean real ones, not ones by nutters like Byline Times) have found that demographics that lean Tory are more likely to be without valid ID than those that lean Labour, so anybody still arguing that the Tories are engaging in voter suppresion are clearly arguing in bad faith and can be ignored.

    As can anyone in 3 weeks' time claiming they were "turned away" - the polling card (and even the envelope it comes in) are quite clear.
    It wouldn't surprise me if the local elections are a disaster for the Tories and they (accidentally) claim that the voter suppression is a reason for the results...
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Leon said:

    I'm pretty sure there have been death penalties for things other than murders and treasons. Indeed, quite a lot of them, From Wiki:


    "Sir Samuel Romilly, speaking to the House of Commons on capital punishment in 1810, declared that "[there is] no country on the face of the earth in which there [have] been so many different offences according to law to be punished with death as in England".[5] Known as the "Bloody Code", at its height the criminal law included some 220 crimes punishable by death, including "being in the company of Gypsies for one month", "strong evidence of malice in a child aged 7–14 years of age" and "blacking the face or using a disguise whilst committing a crime"."


    BEING IN THE COMPANY OF GYPSIES FOR ONE MONTH. Sorry. Hanging it is

    Also, my kids would be a bit screwed by that "evidence of malice in an 8 year old" clause

    Pretty woke, weren't they, taking such a tough line on blackface? :wink:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    I thought they were already Government owned. Chinese Government owned!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    I'm sure there's absolute nothing else that could be done to improve water supplies, nothing at all.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    eek said:

    Driver said:

    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
    Pointing out arguments for a thesis of voter suppression is bad faith? If that's the case it's impossible to argue against your position.
    It's a clear sign that he's assuming what he's trying to prove.

    The whole argument falls down because surveys (I mean real ones, not ones by nutters like Byline Times) have found that demographics that lean Tory are more likely to be without valid ID than those that lean Labour, so anybody still arguing that the Tories are engaging in voter suppresion are clearly arguing in bad faith and can be ignored.

    As can anyone in 3 weeks' time claiming they were "turned away" - the polling card (and even the envelope it comes in) are quite clear.
    It wouldn't surprise me if the local elections are a disaster for the Tories and they (accidentally) claim that the voter suppression is a reason for the results...
    That would be quite amusing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    No more lectures from wealthy companies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,684
    MikeL said:

    Unison:

    Yes 112k
    No 40k

    Turnout 53%

    If RCN has voted No that would be a very big difference in voting patterns. Why would that be?

    Also if RCN is No but close, may be questionable whether they can get 40% of total membership to vote for strikes in next strike ballot.

    ie If only just over 50% for strike, will need almost 80% turnout.

    If the RCN vote goes the other way, the NHS staff Council meeting goes to a weighted vote, and a unanimous outcome agreed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    eek said:

    Driver said:

    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
    Pointing out arguments for a thesis of voter suppression is bad faith? If that's the case it's impossible to argue against your position.
    It's a clear sign that he's assuming what he's trying to prove.

    The whole argument falls down because surveys (I mean real ones, not ones by nutters like Byline Times) have found that demographics that lean Tory are more likely to be without valid ID than those that lean Labour, so anybody still arguing that the Tories are engaging in voter suppresion are clearly arguing in bad faith and can be ignored.

    As can anyone in 3 weeks' time claiming they were "turned away" - the polling card (and even the envelope it comes in) are quite clear.
    It wouldn't surprise me if the local elections are a disaster for the Tories and they (accidentally) claim that the voter suppression is a reason for the results...
    That would be rather amusing in a way. It will be interesting as it just feels more likely that older voters will fall foul, despite having requisite ID.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,684

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    Just pee straight into the river, and cut out the middleman.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    This is where wanky greenery and crappy ESG gets you.

    Their pipes lose about 25-30% of all water, they dont build reservoirs for the for a growing population, they pollute the rivers they dont suck dry and then tell you its for you to fix the problem by using less and being charged more for it. In the meantime the directors approve unjustified dividends and pay themselves multimillion pound salaries

    Rather than actually do their job of providing water the run pratty marketing campaigns and vitue signalling twaddle.

    And Ofwat is just pure shit
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    I believe that decades ago, Cheltenham Ladies College had the mantra "If it's yellow, let it mellow, it it's brown, flush it down."

    They were so ahead of their time.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    When did the UK last have the peacetime death penalty for anything other than murder/treason?

    probably sometime prior to 1861 when the death penalty was reduced to murder, treason, espionage, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence;

    I suspect the reality will be sometime in the 1830's but finding out more will require a bit more research as chatgpt is going to be guessing and extrapolating here rather than giving actual facts.
    And you're right, ChatGPT is making shit up


    https://www.facebook.com/NorwichCastleMuseum/posts/onthisday-in-1846-samuel-yarham-was-hanged-outside-norwich-castle-in-front-of-a-/1171959242843722/


    lol. AI is shit. We are all fine
    Plausible bullshit for the congenital gullible...

    (Addiionally several hundred were shot as capital punishment for cowardice, desertion etc in WW1)
    I did say IF THIS IS ACCURATE - because I know ChatGPT hallucinates

    What is fascinating is how convincingly it hallucinates. It plucks closely associated facts and stitches them together with utter conviction to create a total falsehood. There was a Samuel Yarham hanged around that time, but it was not rape and it was not "the last execution blah blah"

    ChatGPT reminds me of a friend of mine who was a brilliant salesman who could successfully sell a dead donkey to a horse breeder and convince him it was a fine Arabian stallion in the best of health. How? Because he would convince HIMSELF this was true, so he spoke with total conviction. And that is highly persuasive

    He had to convince himself first - and he did - and then he became entirely sincere and dangerously mendacious
    The world is going to be increasingly tough for those of below average IQ. We are already seeing it by how many fool for things like Donald Trump being on their side. If you say something vaguely convincing that reconfirms their existing biases, people will swallow it, unless you are both high IQ and have a disagreeable streak.
    I often wonder if we are living through the end of truth, or just the truth being revealed as a sham?
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005
    Sean_F said:

    I just read that article in The Economist about US growth that was posted last night.

    It's puzzling, the US growth performance since 1990 has been the best of the rich countries. Yet, I've seem plenty of statistics which suggest that US median real incomes have hardly moved, in real terms, over that period.

    And, if growth is so good, where do the terrible numbers on life expectancy come from?

    Although I don't have an answer, this graph suggests where to start looking:

    image

    The peak problem is between ages 20 and mid-fifties, with the worst of it between mid-twenties and about age forty.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,502

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Suella are you watching? Slot this into the Conservative Party manifesto and you get a landslide.

    P.S. I am opposed to all capital sentences, but one couldn't blame the punters for lapping this one up Suella.
    Is a dead paedophile allowed to apply to the court of criminal appeal (whatever it is called) if new evidence appaearing to prove innocence turns up? Asking for a friend.
    Surely a posthumous apology would suffice.

    I am reminded of poor old Stefan Kitchko whenever I see this old nonsense.

    My point is, if Suella wants an easy win, and some future PM kudos, she could do much worse that this. The RedWall would love it.
    The answer to Carnyx's question is, I think, Yes. Ask James Hanratty, who was undoubtedly dead when the Court of Appeal considered his case in 2002.

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/1141.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    "How the trans census fooled Britain

    Tribal speech codes breed linguistic compliance

    By Kathleen Stock"

    https://unherd.com/2023/04/how-the-trans-census-fooled-britain/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    algarkirk said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Suella are you watching? Slot this into the Conservative Party manifesto and you get a landslide.

    P.S. I am opposed to all capital sentences, but one couldn't blame the punters for lapping this one up Suella.
    Is a dead paedophile allowed to apply to the court of criminal appeal (whatever it is called) if new evidence appaearing to prove innocence turns up? Asking for a friend.
    Surely a posthumous apology would suffice.

    I am reminded of poor old Stefan Kitchko whenever I see this old nonsense.

    My point is, if Suella wants an easy win, and some future PM kudos, she could do much worse that this. The RedWall would love it.
    The answer to Carnyx's question is, I think, Yes. Ask James Hanratty, who was undoubtedly dead when the Court of Appeal considered his case in 2002.

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/1141.html
    Thank you! And (without any reflection on you at all) I'm sure Mr Hanratty was also duly grateful.

    Of course there is the Royal Pardon route but that has more of the air of a cover up than a proper clearout/review in public. As with Timothy Evans, former resident of 10 Rillington Place.

  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Andy_JS said:

    "How the trans census fooled Britain

    Tribal speech codes breed linguistic compliance

    By Kathleen Stock"

    https://unherd.com/2023/04/how-the-trans-census-fooled-britain/

    I read that when it was posted earlier. There seems to be at least one flaw in the argument: "sex registered at birth" isn't the term used by Stonewall et al, AFAIK - don't they insist on "assigned" to imply that it's arbitrary?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    I believe that decades ago, Cheltenham Ladies College had the mantra "If it's yellow, let it mellow, it it's brown, flush it down."

    They were so ahead of their time.
    I don't know about public schoolgirls, I avoided them as a matter of class warfare. I knew plenty of ex public schoolboy boarders who I met at university, and they often engaged in some disgusting habits.

    Not flushing, even if it saves the planet is the work of a sick mind.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,502
    Leon said:

    Another weird ChatGPT answer


    "The last execution for a crime other than murder or treason in England and Wales was that of Richard Thomas Parker, who was hanged in 1861 for piracy."

    In fact, Richard Thomas Parker was the last man executed in public in Nottingham, and it was for murder, in 1864

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/story-last-person-publicly-executed-5978960

    10,000 people watched

    Thomas Hardy was taken to a public execution as a youth, and lived to 1928, writing late poems including references to motor cars. A lady I know has just died who was born in 1920. The past is both a foreign country, utterly alien, and is just next door.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,369
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Driver said:

    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Foxy said:
    Nick Cohen: older people will be allowed to use their travel passes as photo ID, but younger voters won't be able to use things like student cards.

    https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/how-voter-suppression-came-to-england
    That's because 60+/disabled travel passes are issued by a government body (the council) and student cards aren't.

    (Not that I've bothered clicking the link, the URL shows that Cohen is arguing in bad faith.)
    Pointing out arguments for a thesis of voter suppression is bad faith? If that's the case it's impossible to argue against your position.
    It's a clear sign that he's assuming what he's trying to prove.

    The whole argument falls down because surveys (I mean real ones, not ones by nutters like Byline Times) have found that demographics that lean Tory are more likely to be without valid ID than those that lean Labour, so anybody still arguing that the Tories are engaging in voter suppresion are clearly arguing in bad faith and can be ignored.

    As can anyone in 3 weeks' time claiming they were "turned away" - the polling card (and even the envelope it comes in) are quite clear.
    It wouldn't surprise me if the local elections are a disaster for the Tories and they (accidentally) claim that the voter suppression is a reason for the results...
    That would be quite amusing.
    Not really. It's entirely possible that the net effect of the voter ID law is to suppress anti-Tory votes, but that they will still do disastrously badly because they are so unpopular.

    If they then blame the voter ID law for their bad election result, and have the media and partisan twitter idiots laughing along, then they will have achieved two things:
    1. Distracted from the reality of their unpopularity.
    2. Fooled people into thinking that they aren't suppressing anti-Tory voters.

    But, well, be amused I guess.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    edited April 2023

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    I believe that decades ago, Cheltenham Ladies College had the mantra "If it's yellow, let it mellow, it it's brown, flush it down."

    They were so ahead of their time.
    I don't know about public schoolgirls, I avoided them as a matter of class warfare. I knew plenty of ex public schoolboy boarders who I met at university, and they often engaged in some disgusting habits.

    Not flushing, even if it saves the planet is the work of a sick mind.
    Mind, I remember going right off the salad at the Alternative Technology Centre at Machynlleth during a college group stay when I saw what they were watering the lettuces with.

    Edit: in fairness that was c. 1981. I'm sure it's all different now.
  • Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck it, bring back hanging for stealing loaves. And littering

    Definitely littering and not parking correctly in parking bays as well
    And REALLY noisy motorbikes
    Fly tippers. Those feckers deserve boiling until death in oil, and the rest of their family beheading, every last one of them.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,502
    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Suella are you watching? Slot this into the Conservative Party manifesto and you get a landslide.

    P.S. I am opposed to all capital sentences, but one couldn't blame the punters for lapping this one up Suella.
    Is a dead paedophile allowed to apply to the court of criminal appeal (whatever it is called) if new evidence appaearing to prove innocence turns up? Asking for a friend.
    Surely a posthumous apology would suffice.

    I am reminded of poor old Stefan Kitchko whenever I see this old nonsense.

    My point is, if Suella wants an easy win, and some future PM kudos, she could do much worse that this. The RedWall would love it.
    The answer to Carnyx's question is, I think, Yes. Ask James Hanratty, who was undoubtedly dead when the Court of Appeal considered his case in 2002.

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/1141.html
    Thank you! And (without any reflection on you at all) I'm sure Mr Hanratty was also duly grateful.

    Of course there is the Royal Pardon route but that has more of the air of a cover up than a proper clearout/review in public. As with Timothy Evans, former resident of 10 Rillington Place.

    I imagine Hanratty was not very grateful. He comprehensively lost his appeal, and IMHO, in his case, quite rightly.

  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,316

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    This is where wanky greenery and crappy ESG gets you.

    Their pipes lose about 25-30% of all water, they dont build reservoirs for the for a growing population, they pollute the rivers they dont suck dry and then tell you its for you to fix the problem by using less and being charged more for it. In the meantime the directors approve unjustified dividends and pay themselves multimillion pound salaries

    Rather than actually do their job of providing water the run pratty marketing campaigns and vitue signalling twaddle.

    And Ofwat is just pure shit
    To be slightly fair to them on the reservoirs thing, hasn’t the plan to build a proper reservoir somewhere near Abingdon been held up in interminable planning delays by local NIMBYs for decades at this point?

    The rest is of course spot on.
  • https://murderresearch.com/20th-century-uk-executions/

    This suggests that the last hanging for rape in the UK was in 1945? Anicet Martinez. But this was under American laws relating to an amercian base https://www.executedtoday.com/2008/06/15/1945-anicento-martinez-american-rapist-england/.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,090
    edited April 2023
    RCN rejects pay offer
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    Phil said:

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    This is where wanky greenery and crappy ESG gets you.

    Their pipes lose about 25-30% of all water, they dont build reservoirs for the for a growing population, they pollute the rivers they dont suck dry and then tell you its for you to fix the problem by using less and being charged more for it. In the meantime the directors approve unjustified dividends and pay themselves multimillion pound salaries

    Rather than actually do their job of providing water the run pratty marketing campaigns and vitue signalling twaddle.

    And Ofwat is just pure shit
    To be slightly fair to them on the reservoirs thing, hasn’t the plan to build a proper reservoir somewhere near Abingdon been held up in interminable planning delays by local NIMBYs for decades at this point?

    The rest is of course spot on.
    yes it has. But that's one reservoir and theyve had 30 years to build what the Thames area needs.

    Even if they fixed their leaky pipes that would be the equivalent of several reservoirs
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Wow


    "Florida lawmakers have passed a bill that would allow the death penalty to be enacted on convicted pedophiles.

    The Florida House passed HB1297 by a 95-14 vote late Thursday. The legislation will allow rapists of children under the age of 12 to be sentenced to execution without jury unanimity."

    https://summit.news/2023/04/14/florida-enables-death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse/

    Suella are you watching? Slot this into the Conservative Party manifesto and you get a landslide.

    P.S. I am opposed to all capital sentences, but one couldn't blame the punters for lapping this one up Suella.
    Is a dead paedophile allowed to apply to the court of criminal appeal (whatever it is called) if new evidence appaearing to prove innocence turns up? Asking for a friend.
    Surely a posthumous apology would suffice.

    I am reminded of poor old Stefan Kitchko whenever I see this old nonsense.

    My point is, if Suella wants an easy win, and some future PM kudos, she could do much worse that this. The RedWall would love it.
    The answer to Carnyx's question is, I think, Yes. Ask James Hanratty, who was undoubtedly dead when the Court of Appeal considered his case in 2002.

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/1141.html
    Thank you! And (without any reflection on you at all) I'm sure Mr Hanratty was also duly grateful.

    Of course there is the Royal Pardon route but that has more of the air of a cover up than a proper clearout/review in public. As with Timothy Evans, former resident of 10 Rillington Place.

    Ruth Ellis of course did shoot her abusive and unfaithful lover. Her mitigation would these days get her, quite rightly, significant consideration. And what of Derek (already in Police custody, "let him have it (the gun?) Chris") Bentley? And of course the shooter, Christopher Craig served his sentence and lived as a free man.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,408
    edited April 2023

    RCN rejects pay offer

    54%.
    Strike April 30 -May 2.
  • Reported that Macrons proposals for increase in retirement age has been cleared
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    Carnyx said:

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    I believe that decades ago, Cheltenham Ladies College had the mantra "If it's yellow, let it mellow, it it's brown, flush it down."

    They were so ahead of their time.
    I don't know about public schoolgirls, I avoided them as a matter of class warfare. I knew plenty of ex public schoolboy boarders who I met at university, and they often engaged in some disgusting habits.

    Not flushing, even if it saves the planet is the work of a sick mind.
    Mind, I remember going right off the salad at the Alternative Technology Centre at Machynlleth during a college group stay when I saw what they were watering the lettuces with.

    Edit: in fairness that was c. 1981. I'm sure it's all different now.
    Yes, all those post-EU improved food standards must have kicked in by now.
  • Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    Do it properly. Wee in the shower.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,377
    Phil said:

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    This is where wanky greenery and crappy ESG gets you.

    Their pipes lose about 25-30% of all water, they dont build reservoirs for the for a growing population, they pollute the rivers they dont suck dry and then tell you its for you to fix the problem by using less and being charged more for it. In the meantime the directors approve unjustified dividends and pay themselves multimillion pound salaries

    Rather than actually do their job of providing water the run pratty marketing campaigns and vitue signalling twaddle.

    And Ofwat is just pure shit
    To be slightly fair to them on the reservoirs thing, hasn’t the plan to build a proper reservoir somewhere near Abingdon been held up in interminable planning delays by local NIMBYs for decades at this point?

    The rest is of course spot on.
    If they had redirected the billions given to their owners as dividends towards giving extra money to those impacted by the reservoir I suspect the local planning complaints would have disappeared.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Andy_JS said:

    "Omnisis
    @Omnisis
    ·
    1h
    3/ Meanwhile, in the two-horse race that is our Best Prime Minister tracker, we’re going to need a photo finish this week …

    🔴 Sir Keir Starmer: 33% (-3)
    🔵 Rishi Sunak: 33% (+5)
    ⚪ Don’t Know: 34% (-2)"

    https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1646861433022345216

    Who was it on here that said the Labour poster attack ads were obviously working?
    It's a bit of a standing joke.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405

    Carnyx said:

    Fuck this,

    Nationalise Thames Water now.

    Save water, don’t flush after a wee, urges utilities director

    Britons should consider not flushing the lavatory after urinating and taking shorter showers to secure future water supplies, according to a senior water executive.

    Cathryn Ross, strategy and regulatory affairs director at the UK’s biggest water company, Thames Water, said today’s water consumption levels were “unsustainable” in the long term. The average Briton uses 142 litres a day, with Ross’s customers slightly higher at 146 litres.

    Despite Britain’s image as a wet and rainy country, experts are increasingly concerned that climate change, population growth and a dry southeast will risk future water supplies without significant interventions. There is a one in four chance that large numbers of households will have their water supply cut for an extended period due to drought in the next 30 years, the government’s infrastructure adviser warned last month.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/save-water-don-t-flush-after-a-wee-urges-utilities-director-clean-it-up-g68sk2jh7

    I believe that decades ago, Cheltenham Ladies College had the mantra "If it's yellow, let it mellow, it it's brown, flush it down."

    They were so ahead of their time.
    I don't know about public schoolgirls, I avoided them as a matter of class warfare. I knew plenty of ex public schoolboy boarders who I met at university, and they often engaged in some disgusting habits.

    Not flushing, even if it saves the planet is the work of a sick mind.
    Mind, I remember going right off the salad at the Alternative Technology Centre at Machynlleth during a college group stay when I saw what they were watering the lettuces with.

    Edit: in fairness that was c. 1981. I'm sure it's all different now.
    Yes, all those post-EU improved food standards must have kicked in by now.
    yes, I havnt had horsemeat for ages;
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Even though the French parliament refused to support it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Another weird ChatGPT answer


    "The last execution for a crime other than murder or treason in England and Wales was that of Richard Thomas Parker, who was hanged in 1861 for piracy."

    In fact, Richard Thomas Parker was the last man executed in public in Nottingham, and it was for murder, in 1864

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/story-last-person-publicly-executed-5978960

    10,000 people watched

    Thomas Hardy was taken to a public execution as a youth, and lived to 1928, writing late poems including references to motor cars. A lady I know has just died who was born in 1920. The past is both a foreign country, utterly alien, and is just next door.
    That does shrink time, expressing it in terms of individual lifespans. Eg King Arthur and Lancelot, all of that, seems the most ancient of ancient history, yet just 20 or so long lives takes us back there.
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