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Will Liz Truss ever be able to live this down? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,164
edited April 2023 in General
imageWill Liz Truss ever be able to live this down? – politicalbetting.com

The short period at Number 10 saw one of the most disastrous runs on the pound ever which had a huge impact on the country’s finances.

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  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    First
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    I'm glad the libdems ditched her!!

    :)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    Bloody Gordon Brown.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    The header might be posing the wrong question. Can Kwasi Kwarteng recover? Will MPs forgive his disastrous association with Liz Truss?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,851

    The header might be posing the wrong question. Can Kwasi Kwarteng recover? Will MPs forgive his disastrous association with Liz Truss?

    I'm more worried about whether the country can recover from that pair!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    Is she one of those wokerati responsible for destroying our public finances?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,371

    Is she one of those wokerati responsible for destroying our public finances?

    Possibly. Isn't she a Liberal Democrat?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,841
    edited April 2023
    Sam Curran making a game of something that was over in the IPL. What a find he has been for England.

    Not enough though
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827

    Is she one of those wokerati responsible for destroying our public finances?

    Possibly. Isn't she a Liberal Democrat?
    Bloody Nick Clegg.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,223
    Bigger question is whether Truss and her acolytes have even begun the process of recognising that they have done something that needs living down?

    Based on yesterday, the answer is "no".

    Much the same can be asked of her predecessor as well, probably with the same answer.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    Is she one of those wokerati responsible for destroying our public finances?

    I thought that was Communist hedge funds?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,841

    The header might be posing the wrong question. Can Kwasi Kwarteng recover? Will MPs forgive his disastrous association with Liz Truss?

    The man is obviously bright but his political career is over. He needs to leave the stage and find another career.
  • Hell no.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    EPG said:

    Is she one of those wokerati responsible for destroying our public finances?

    I thought that was Communist hedge funds?
    Communists, thats Corbyns mates. So as usual, and only a dozen posts in this time, we can conclude that the blame for Britains finances lies entirely with Brown, Clegg and Corbyn and has absolutely nothing to do with the party of government.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,670
    No. And the Tories should not live down foisting her on the nation.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    Politically, unfair as it might be to her personally, the Tories would be better off Corb-binning her and Johnson.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383
    edited April 2023
    Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the previous header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?
  • The one good thing about the Truss acid trip premiership is that it reassured me if we ever got a hard left government the markets would stop the hard left nonsense in its place.
  • Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    Matt Goodwin's going to do a book on the culture war that is card vs. cash.
  • Those posters have really damaged Starmer and boosted Sunak.

    Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister? (5-6 Apr)

    Rishi Sunak: 26% (no change from 29-30 Mar)
    Keir Starmer: 31% (+1)
    Not sure: 40% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1646513050588160002
  • Latest Westminster voting intention (5-6 Apr)

    Con: 27% (+1 from 29-30 Mar)
    Lab: 44% (-2)
    Lib Dem: 9% (=)
    Green: 7% (=)
    Reform UK: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 4% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1646513050588160002
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,669
    According to the Guardian article, £20bn of the £30bn headline was unfunded cuts to NI and stamp duty, which is only a theoretical loss to the government but not to the country.

    That may have been reversed but it wasn't strictly a "cost".

    Was any money actually "lost"?


    Note that I'm not suggesting we try it again, or at least, not in the same way.
  • Called it.


  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    Matt Goodwin's going to do a book on the culture war that is card vs. cash.
    He probably will but it's an angle we don't need.

    5 years ago I was getting annoyed cabbies still insisted on cash only. Now, I am worried about the right to cash.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Those posters have really damaged Starmer and boosted Sunak.

    Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister? (5-6 Apr)

    Rishi Sunak: 26% (no change from 29-30 Mar)
    Keir Starmer: 31% (+1)
    Not sure: 40% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1646513050588160002

    Or made no difference whatsoever?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,371

    Latest Westminster voting intention (5-6 Apr)

    Con: 27% (+1 from 29-30 Mar)
    Lab: 44% (-2)
    Lib Dem: 9% (=)
    Green: 7% (=)
    Reform UK: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 4% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1646513050588160002

    SNP smashing it out of the park at the expense of Labour.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,885
    Evening all 😀

    There still seem to be a fair few on here willing to sing her praises so who knows? We also assume Boris Johnson’s political career is deader than Tottenham’s season so presumably Liz Truss’s career is as moribund as Liverpool’s.

    Other random thoughts - I’m not sure about President Biden but I’m getting tired of Arlene Foster and Sammy Wilson interfering in British politics.

    I saw the usual suspects on here talking up the GDP data this morning. For the vast majority, the nuances of GDP numbers are meaningless and they tend to look at different economic indicators. One might be interest on savings - let’s hope we don’t go back to the days of QE and low interest rates. We need proper monetary policy - not financial methadone between elections.

    Card vs Cash? Both still - I pay for the world’s most expensive newspaper with cash and try going into a Chinese buffet in Wardour Street with a card and see how far you get. That said, cards have their place and while accepting the balance is shifting I do wonder if there might be any benefit in scrapping copper coins and having all prices ending in a 5 or a zero? They tried it in New Zealand and like everything else after a bit of huffing and puffing everyone accepted it and life moved on.
  • Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    Matt Goodwin's going to do a book on the culture war that is card vs. cash.
    He probably will but it's an angle we don't need.

    5 years ago I was getting annoyed cabbies still insisted on cash only. Now, I am worried about the right to cash.
    I think we're organically going to move to a cashless society.

    With more branches closing and cash machines going it will be hard to process cash.

    Honourable mention to the Post Office though.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    According to the Guardian article, £20bn of the £30bn headline was unfunded cuts to NI and stamp duty, which is only a theoretical loss to the government but not to the country.

    That may have been reversed but it wasn't strictly a "cost".

    Was any money actually "lost"?


    Note that I'm not suggesting we try it again, or at least, not in the same way.

    I’m a bit skeptical too. Lots of posts about people paying more on their mortgages, but that’s been coming for a while. I remortgaged in June, as part of financing an extension, but also to get a decent fix. It’s been clear for a while that rates were heading up to 5% or so. May come down quickly, may not.

    What was the actual cost? Not the hypothetical one?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,223

    Called it.


    Damnfool promise in the first place. Even if you think the aim is desirable, it's not a promise that could be kept.

    (One of the reasons the Conservatives really need some time in opposition is so they can bin the damnfool promises that have been piling up, going back to Dave's Tens Of Thousands.)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    Cash.

    Gary Lineker.

    Brexit.

    Go.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,371

    Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    Matt Goodwin's going to do a book on the culture war that is card vs. cash.
    He probably will but it's an angle we don't need.

    5 years ago I was getting annoyed cabbies still insisted on cash only. Now, I am worried about the right to cash.
    I think we're organically going to move to a cashless society.

    With more branches closing and cash machines going it will be hard to process cash.

    Honourable mention to the Post Office though.
    Surely all of HMRC's Christmases come at once when cash dies. No more VAT free hobbles, no Sir!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,223

    Those posters have really damaged Starmer and boosted Sunak.

    Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister? (5-6 Apr)

    Rishi Sunak: 26% (no change from 29-30 Mar)
    Keir Starmer: 31% (+1)
    Not sure: 40% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1646513050588160002

    Or made no difference whatsoever?
    Probably too early to tell, if the polling was 5/6 April. That's last Wednesday and Thursday.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    Called it.


    He just wanted an easy slogan . No 10 is obsessed with slogans and sound bites that their arse licking right wing press can splash on their front pages .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,371

    Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    Matt Goodwin's going to do a book on the culture war that is card vs. cash.
    He probably will but it's an angle we don't need.

    5 years ago I was getting annoyed cabbies still insisted on cash only. Now, I am worried about the right to cash.
    I think we're organically going to move to a cashless society.

    With more branches closing and cash machines going it will be hard to process cash.

    Honourable mention to the Post Office though.
    Surely all of HMRC's Christmases come at once when cash dies. No more VAT free hobbles, no Sir!
    Will sink estate scumbag drug dealers have to register for VAT?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,371

    Cash.

    Gary Lineker.

    Brexit.

    Go.

    Lost

    Me

    There

    Casino
  • Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    Matt Goodwin's going to do a book on the culture war that is card vs. cash.
    He probably will but it's an angle we don't need.

    5 years ago I was getting annoyed cabbies still insisted on cash only. Now, I am worried about the right to cash.
    I think we're organically going to move to a cashless society.

    With more branches closing and cash machines going it will be hard to process cash.

    Honourable mention to the Post Office though.
    Surely all of HMRC's Christmases come at once when cash dies. No more VAT free hobbles, no Sir!
    Will sink estate scumbag drug dealers have to register for VAT?
    Already have to, from 2019.

    Millions of people who rely on cash will be left behind without urgent action from the government, Chancellor Sajid Javid has been warned.

    Consumer association Which? said that free-to-use cash machines were disappearing quicker in deprived areas than in affluent ones.

    Campaigners want Mr Javid to implement a cash guarantee for those who need it.

    The industry network said that cash use was falling but work was being done to ensure nobody was left behind.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49730367
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Called it.


    The PM does seem awfully surprised, that the voters actually expect him to stop boats crossing the Channel, rather than simply talking about stopping them, or legislating to stop them.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,444
    What an odd header.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Cash.

    Gary Lineker.

    Brexit.

    Go.

    Worst round of Snog, Marry, Avoid ever.
    Actual LOL
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    edited April 2023

    Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the previous header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    There is likely a prima facie case against him.
    Unlike most political lying, in this case, it’s quite possibly demonstrable in court.

    Though of course cash payments wouldn’t work for wire fraud.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723

    According to the Guardian article, £20bn of the £30bn headline was unfunded cuts to NI and stamp duty, which is only a theoretical loss to the government but not to the country.

    That may have been reversed but it wasn't strictly a "cost".

    Was any money actually "lost"?


    Note that I'm not suggesting we try it again, or at least, not in the same way.

    Political lies. Just read about the estimated GDP figs presented as facts. Politicians and the media wouldnt know the truth if it slapped them in.the face.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    edited April 2023
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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,368
    nico679 said:

    Called it.


    He just wanted an easy slogan . No 10 is obsessed with slogans and sound bites that their arse licking right wing press can splash on their front pages .
    Does it hurt him that he's missed the date and broken his pledge? Is it actually going to result in a reduction of his credibility and a loss of voters?

    I have a suspicion that pledges like this are a net positive, even when they're not remotely close to being met, because most voters make an implicit conversion of the details of the pledge into a warm fuzzy sense that the politician *really* means it. Then, when it doesn't happen, the voters find it relatively easy to add the caveat in themselves - of course it was going to take time, of course those lefty lawyers were going to create mischief and get in the way, etc, etc, but at least broken-pledge politician *really* wanted to get it done.

    The politicians are playing the voters for fools, but the voters let them get away with it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    I just farted.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited April 2023

    Bigger question is whether Truss and her acolytes have even begun the process of recognising that they have done something that needs living down?

    Based on yesterday, the answer is "no".

    Much the same can be asked of her predecessor as well, probably with the same answer.

    Maybe the question is whether the incumbents recognise there's something about their government that needs living down?

    They seem to be be relying on voters having no memory as well as being unaware.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,223
    edited April 2023
    Uh-oh. From The Time's Chris Smyth

    Excl: nurses could go back on strike as union members look set to reject pay deal tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1646585256873525254
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    edited April 2023
    Today’s episode of feeling really old:

    The famous void Grand National “the race that never was”, took place 30 years ago, in 1993.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2jHwZ1JerY

    DT with a retrospective, interviews with many of the jockeys involved that day.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2023/04/13/grand-national-2023-void-race-chaos-inside-story-30-years/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Called it.


    In profile, he looks like a caricature by the late, great Marc Boxer.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    edited April 2023

    Uh-oh. From The Time's Chris Smyth

    Excl: nurses could go back on strike as union members look set to reject pay deal tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1646585256873525254

    Don't worry - the Coronation will save us all!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,407
    edited April 2023

    Uh-oh. From The Time's Chris Smyth

    Excl: nurses could go back on strike as union members look set to reject pay deal tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1646585256873525254

    Bloody Commie Union Barons using strikes as a political weapon for outrageous pay claims ignoring the wishes of the Angels who just want carry on working...
    Er. Hang on.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843

    Off topic, but I just skimmed through the comments on the last thread. Yawn. I think the header should be renamed:

    Did Trump fundraise by asking for donations by cash or card?

    Matt Goodwin's going to do a book on the culture war that is card vs. cash.
    He probably will but it's an angle we don't need.

    5 years ago I was getting annoyed cabbies still insisted on cash only. Now, I am worried about the right to cash.
    I think we're organically going to move to a cashless society.

    With more branches closing and cash machines going it will be hard to process cash.

    Honourable mention to the Post Office though.
    Builders and plumbers will still be around though...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,403

    Uh-oh. From The Time's Chris Smyth

    Excl: nurses could go back on strike as union members look set to reject pay deal tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1646585256873525254

    As @NerysHughes did predict.

    Not always my favourite poster but we can't deny he's been bang on over this.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    errm a 21 year old is arrested for leaking very sensitive documents about a live war- Does the US really allow 21 year olds access to stuff they dont want the russians to know ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,865

    First

    The word you were looking for is ‘Test’.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Per the header:
    A question now is whether this has totally ended the political ambitions of Liz Truss or will she be treated seriously again.

    .I think she’s finished

    But the Guardian piece quoted in the header dates from mid November. Was it saved for an opportune moment on a slow news day?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Sandpit said:

    Today’s episode of feeling really old:

    The famous void Grand National “the race that never was”, took place 30 years ago, in 1993.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2jHwZ1JerY

    DT with a retrospective, interviews with many of the jockeys involved that day.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2023/04/13/grand-national-2023-void-race-chaos-inside-story-30-years/

    I remember that day distinctly. I had just got back from spending the first half of my gap year in India and had settled into the Black Griffin in Canterbury for a sesh watching the Grand National the Steel City derby FA Cup semi-final with some friends on their first Easter break from University. I got absolutely hammered by 5pm and the evening really went a bit downhill from there.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,885
    Sandpit said:

    Today’s episode of feeling really old:

    The famous void Grand National “the race that never was”, took place 30 years ago, in 1993.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2jHwZ1JerY

    DT with a retrospective, interviews with many of the jockeys involved that day.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2023/04/13/grand-national-2023-void-race-chaos-inside-story-30-years/

    At least I didn’t lose my money that year. The whole thing was a shambles and has clearly haunted John White, rider of ESHA NESS. The system to start the race was overhauled but it’s not easy to get 40 runners away on level terms.

    A propos nothing at all, my three against the field for Saturday are MR INCREDIBLE, GALLIARD DU MESNIL and ROI MAGE.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    I just farted.

    The beauty of this site is getting such news and informed commentary ahead of anyone else.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    edited April 2023
    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    Today’s episode of feeling really old:

    The famous void Grand National “the race that never was”, took place 30 years ago, in 1993.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2jHwZ1JerY

    DT with a retrospective, interviews with many of the jockeys involved that day.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2023/04/13/grand-national-2023-void-race-chaos-inside-story-30-years/

    At least I didn’t lose my money that year. The whole thing was a shambles and has clearly haunted John White, rider of ESHA NESS. The system to start the race was overhauled but it’s not easy to get 40 runners away on level terms.

    A propos nothing at all, my three against the field for Saturday are MR INCREDIBLE, GALLIARD DU MESNIL and ROI MAGE.
    Le Milos for me. He won the Coral Gold Cup at Newbury, like Aintree a wide, flat, left-handed, galloping track.
  • Sandpit said:

    Today’s episode of feeling really old:

    The famous void Grand National “the race that never was”, took place 30 years ago, in 1993.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2jHwZ1JerY

    DT with a retrospective, interviews with many of the jockeys involved that day.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2023/04/13/grand-national-2023-void-race-chaos-inside-story-30-years/

    Some of us remember the Crisp/Red Rum race which was 50 years ago.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,192
    edited April 2023
    Your dyspeptic Eurolink for the day.

    A really interesting little debate on France24 about whether it is time for a Sixth Republic of France.

    (The presenting issue is that Macron bypassed his Parliament, and Les Citoyens are not delighted.)

    https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/french-connections/20230413-presidential-powers-is-it-time-for-a-sixth-republic-in-france
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,192
    On topic: La Truss is even more toasted than she was before !
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    DougSeal said:

    I just farted.

    The beauty of this site is getting such news and informed commentary ahead of anyone else.
    I can only assume alcohol has been taken.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    .

    DougSeal said:

    I just farted.

    The beauty of this site is getting such news and informed commentary ahead of anyone else.
    I can only assume alcohol has been taken.
    Beans, more likely.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Is Clarence Thomas Trussed ?

    Billionaire Harlan Crow bought property from Clarence Thomas in undisclosed real estate deal.

    Crow netted two vacant lots and the house where Thomas’ elderly mother was living. It’s unclear if he paid fair market value.

    https://twitter.com/JustinElliott/status/1646579185131855872
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,403
    Nigelb said:

    .

    DougSeal said:

    I just farted.

    The beauty of this site is getting such news and informed commentary ahead of anyone else.
    I can only assume alcohol has been taken.
    Beans, more likely.
    Beef, still more likely :smile:
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    Today’s episode of feeling really old:

    The famous void Grand National “the race that never was”, took place 30 years ago, in 1993.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2jHwZ1JerY

    DT with a retrospective, interviews with many of the jockeys involved that day.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2023/04/13/grand-national-2023-void-race-chaos-inside-story-30-years/

    At least I didn’t lose my money that year. The whole thing was a shambles and has clearly haunted John White, rider of ESHA NESS. The system to start the race was overhauled but it’s not easy to get 40 runners away on level terms.

    A propos nothing at all, my three against the field for Saturday are MR INCREDIBLE, GALLIARD DU MESNIL and ROI MAGE.
    Yes, the look on John White’s face at the end, as he pulled up and quickly realised that his efforts had been in vain.

    Looking back, it was a total comedy of errors, with the 50m long tape, no spare one so they had to tie it back together after the first false start, the starter’s red flag wasn’t seen by the forward signaller, and half the jockeys thought that officials trying to call them back were protestors that had already delayed the start. Seven horses ran the full distance, and British bookies had to refund £70m of bets. Thankfully, no-one was injured.

    Let’s hope this Saturday goes off with a little less controversy!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904

    Sandpit said:

    Today’s episode of feeling really old:

    The famous void Grand National “the race that never was”, took place 30 years ago, in 1993.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=b2jHwZ1JerY

    DT with a retrospective, interviews with many of the jockeys involved that day.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2023/04/13/grand-national-2023-void-race-chaos-inside-story-30-years/

    Some of us remember the Crisp/Red Rum race which was 50 years ago.
    There was an interview with Crisp's jockey, Richard Pitman, in last Sunday's Racing Post. A taste:-

    "I know that if Crisp could have talked, he'd have said to me: 'What a shame John Francome wasn't two years older and then he could have ridden me.'

    "You've got to be an idiot if you don't know where in the pecking order you stand. Francome was better than me and he would have won on Crisp, but even he'll tell you I gave him a perfect ride that day, until after the last!"

    In 2012, Pitman gave away a kidney to a complete stranger. He still walks into doors after an encounter with a filly he was trying to break in who, he recalls with half a smile, dropped him, then reversed, "kicked merry shit out of my face, turned it to pulp and left me blind in one eye – but I accept anything I can't change".

    Including, of course, that day of mixed feelings in 1973, the aftermath of which has never left him. Chipper "looked as though someone had shoved a red-hot poker up his backside", as Pitman put it later, but the man in the saddle had a mindset that took the positives out of the drama.

    "I felt bad because I was the one who'd been driving the bus," he recalls, "but the despair soon turned back to elation.

    "I was never a tunnel-vision, winning machine of a jockey. I knew I'd had a great ride, clearing 30 fences at speed in that fashion. We broke the course record by 19 seconds, even in defeat, and money couldn't buy that kind of thrill.

    "I'd bogged it up, I knew that, but still the exhilaration came back to me as I walked to the winner's enclosure. I'd never known anything like it. Most people would have been crying, but I thought it was fantastic."

    https://www.racingpost.com/news/features/the-big-read/richard-pitman-people-have-spent-50-years-telling-me-im-an-idiot-i-was-an-idiot-but-not-for-the-reasons-they-think-aZASz1c6deeW/ (£££)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,978
    Nigelb said:

    Called it.


    In profile, he looks like a caricature by the late, great Marc Boxer.
    I discovered him and Anthony Powell at around the same time, great combo.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,706
    edited April 2023
    What's happened to the rail and post strikes?

    I know the RMT settled with Network Rail but they were still in dispute with the Train Operating Companies.

    In both cases things seem to have been very quiet for some time - are these disputes just fizzling out?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    Embarrassing and messy. Against the letter but perhaps not the spirit of the rules as he is not advocating any particular bet, for instance on England to lose.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,674

    errm a 21 year old is arrested for leaking very sensitive documents about a live war- Does the US really allow 21 year olds access to stuff they dont want the russians to know ?

    I'm more concerned that they share it with a bunch of 90-year old obviously senile Senators.

    If you need a team of people who aren't going to fall for a blatant phishing attempt, get some teenagers in.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Embarrassing and messy. Against the letter but perhaps not the spirit of the rules as he is not advocating any particular bet, for instance on England to lose.
    Yes he’s not a participant in this particular tournament, but it looks terrible in the context of many cricket scandals involving bookmakers.

    What might do for him, is whether or not he told the ECB he was taking money from a bookie, or if the ECB asked him about any outside sources of income? They should have asked him, and he should have answered truthfully.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    Eabhal said:

    errm a 21 year old is arrested for leaking very sensitive documents about a live war- Does the US really allow 21 year olds access to stuff they dont want the russians to know ?

    I'm more concerned that they share it with a bunch of 90-year old obviously senile Senators.

    If you need a team of people who aren't going to fall for a blatant phishing attempt, get some teenagers in.
    The interviews of the tech bosses by that Senate version of a select committee, were terrible. The old folks had clearly done no research, taken no briefing, and didn’t have any understanding of the actual problems in the industry that required discussion.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Not sure why, but the word "cash" appeared 2,229 times on the previous thread.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure why, but the word "cash" appeared 2,229 times on the previous thread.

    Shows the value, really, doesn't it?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,134
    stodge said:

    I do wonder if there might be any benefit in scrapping copper coins and having all prices ending in a 5 or a zero? They tried it in New Zealand and like everything else after a bit of huffing and puffing everyone accepted it and life moved on.

    Yeah, definitely a good idea. The 2p's probably already worth less than the half-penny was when they got rid of that coin.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Nigelb said:

    Called it.


    In profile, he looks like a caricature by the late, great Marc Boxer.
    I discovered him and Anthony Powell at around the same time, great combo.
    I have the full set of paperbacks, with his covers, somewhere.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Not sure why, but the word "cash" appeared 2,229 times on the previous thread.

    It's the fault of King Charles III.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/13/king-charles-iii-cash-banknote-money-payments/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    On topic I have to admit that my investment in Truss as next PM might not be quite as safe as I thought. Still reasonably confident though.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,368
    edited April 2023

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure why, but the word "cash" appeared 2,229 times on the previous thread.

    Shows the value, really, doesn't it?
    Money isn't worth what it used to be worth. Inflation reduced the value of £1 by a factor of 22 during the reign of QEII.

    A pound at the end of her reign was worth less than eleven old pence at the beginning of it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    DougSeal said:

    On topic I have to admit that my investment in Truss as next PM might not be quite as safe as I thought. Still reasonably confident though.

    I mean we all assume you are joking, but just imagine if it comes off? You could live off that for years, which will be helpful with the state of the nation that leads to her coming back as PM…
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,851

    DougSeal said:

    On topic I have to admit that my investment in Truss as next PM might not be quite as safe as I thought. Still reasonably confident though.

    I mean we all assume you are joking, but just imagine if it comes off? You could live off that for years, which will be helpful with the state of the nation that leads to her coming back as PM…
    He'd have to convert his winnings in sterling pdq into walrus bacula or some other more reliable currency.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,368
    pm215 said:

    stodge said:

    I do wonder if there might be any benefit in scrapping copper coins and having all prices ending in a 5 or a zero? They tried it in New Zealand and like everything else after a bit of huffing and puffing everyone accepted it and life moved on.

    Yeah, definitely a good idea. The 2p's probably already worth less than the half-penny was when they got rid of that coin.
    Close, but not quite. A halfpenny in 1984 would be worth 1.5p today.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Forget cash - go into a bank branch (if you can find one still open), ask to do a BACS payment to another account, say no thanks I don't actually want to do it through your mobile app, and revel in the feeling of what it's like to be treated like something you scrape off the sole of your shoe.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,403
    edited April 2023

    Forget cash - go into a bank branch (if you can find one still open), ask to do a BACS payment to another account, say no thanks I don't actually want to do it through your mobile app, and revel in the feeling of what it's like to be treated like something you scrape off the sole of your shoe.

    I always say, when Lloyds - whose online security is a sick joke - ask me if I want to have internet banking, 'No, and to save time shall we pretend we've had the argument and I've won?'

    They will shut the branch here in Cannock soon, judging from the way they're shedding staff. Even though it's very busy and I've never not had to queue. But when they do, I'm moving my money out of there altogether.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Andy_JS said:

    Not sure why, but the word "cash" appeared 2,229 times on the previous thread.

    Shows the value, really, doesn't it?
    Money isn't worth what it used to be worth. Inflation reduced the value of £1 by a factor of 22 during the reign of QEII.

    A pound at the end of her reign was worth less than eleven old pence at the beginning of it.
    You can rebaseline the currency at any time.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720

    Forget cash - go into a bank branch (if you can find one still open), ask to do a BACS payment to another account, say no thanks I don't actually want to do it through your mobile app, and revel in the feeling of what it's like to be treated like something you scrape off the sole of your shoe.

    Australia? I assume you are Chinese.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    Johnny Cash.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    geoffw said:

    Forget cash - go into a bank branch (if you can find one still open), ask to do a BACS payment to another account, say no thanks I don't actually want to do it through your mobile app, and revel in the feeling of what it's like to be treated like something you scrape off the sole of your shoe.

    Australia? I assume you are Chinese.

    No - just good ol' Blighty
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    ydoethur said:

    Forget cash - go into a bank branch (if you can find one still open), ask to do a BACS payment to another account, say no thanks I don't actually want to do it through your mobile app, and revel in the feeling of what it's like to be treated like something you scrape off the sole of your shoe.

    I always say, when Lloyds - whose online security is a sick joke - ask me if I want to have internet banking, 'No, and to save time shall we pretend we've had the argument and I've won?'

    They will shut the branch here in Cannock soon, judging from the way they're shedding staff. Even though it's very busy and I've never not had to queue. But when they do, I'm moving my money out of there altogether.
    I have no issues with Lloyds online banking security. What did they do to you?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,288
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    errm a 21 year old is arrested for leaking very sensitive documents about a live war- Does the US really allow 21 year olds access to stuff they dont want the russians to know ?

    I'm more concerned that they share it with a bunch of 90-year old obviously senile Senators.

    If you need a team of people who aren't going to fall for a blatant phishing attempt, get some teenagers in.
    The interviews of the tech bosses by that Senate version of a select committee, were terrible. The old folks had clearly done no research, taken no briefing, and didn’t have any understanding of the actual problems in the industry that required discussion.
    In the history of cryptography, the amount of times that bored, barely out of their teens, cipher clerks gave away bags of secrets…
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,263

    Latest Westminster voting intention (5-6 Apr)

    Con: 27% (+1 from 29-30 Mar)
    Lab: 44% (-2)
    Lib Dem: 9% (=)
    Green: 7% (=)
    Reform UK: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 4% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1646513050588160002

    SNP smashing it out of the park at the expense of Labour.
    Labour lead shrinks by 15%!
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,300
    The Courier - ANDREW LIDDLE: SNP spin machine has completely collapsed, leaving Humza Yousaf badly exposed
    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/4302943/snp-communications-andrew-liddle-liddle/

    "Instead of following either of these two courses, however, the SNP has instead opted to put Yousaf in front of the media every day, with each appearance yielding a new and more embarrassing tidbit.

    As such, the scandal is growing and evolving organically while Yousaf, far from being shielded from it, is now practically its official spokesperson."
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720

    geoffw said:

    Forget cash - go into a bank branch (if you can find one still open), ask to do a BACS payment to another account, say no thanks I don't actually want to do it through your mobile app, and revel in the feeling of what it's like to be treated like something you scrape off the sole of your shoe.

    Australia? I assume you are Chinese.

    No - just good ol' Blighty
    Glad to hear it. Can't have us being scraped off a jackboot.
    Australia has been described as “gum stuck to the bottom of China’s shoe,” by a Chinese state media editor as Beijing criticised calls for an inquiry into the coronavirus origin as “political manoeuvring,” further straining ties.
    - Guardian, 28/4/2020

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Latest Westminster voting intention (5-6 Apr)

    Con: 27% (+1 from 29-30 Mar)
    Lab: 44% (-2)
    Lib Dem: 9% (=)
    Green: 7% (=)
    Reform UK: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 4% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1646513050588160002

    Nearly every poll is putting Lab on 44% or thereabouts.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    edited April 2023
    fitalass said:

    The Courier - ANDREW LIDDLE: SNP spin machine has completely collapsed, leaving Humza Yousaf badly exposed
    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/opinion/4302943/snp-communications-andrew-liddle-liddle/

    "Instead of following either of these two courses, however, the SNP has instead opted to put Yousaf in front of the media every day, with each appearance yielding a new and more embarrassing tidbit.

    As such, the scandal is growing and evolving organically while Yousaf, far from being shielded from it, is now practically its official spokesperson."

    Ha, that is funny, to be fair.

    Well, as the continuity candidate, it comes with the territory. If he didn't know that was going to be part of it then he's even dafter than expected. Hiding from it isn't going to be any better a look...

    What'll be interesting is at what point he has enough and either quits or throws Sturgeon and Murrell properly under the bus/campervan.
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