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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,035
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,427
    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.

    As are women in leadership generally.

    The world would be a far better, and far safer, place if all men were banned from leadership for a very long time.

    Preferably eternity.

    Men are responsible for virtually all the violence, war, and hatred in this world.

    xx
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,138
    On Truth Social this morning, after his day in court, Donald Trump has instructions for congressional Republicans: defund the FBI & DOJ

    https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/1643576629661138944
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    DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here ...
    And there you go again.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,156
    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    Margaret Thatcher was a woman leader as well.
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    Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 597

    I believe one of my ancestors resided in Uddingston at some stage. Seeing the incredibly banal housing development, I think I’ll give it a miss when I finally organise a genocidal tour of Scotland.

    Fixed it for you...
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,880
    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,890
    Penddu2 said:

    I believe one of my ancestors resided in Uddingston at some stage. Seeing the incredibly banal housing development, I think I’ll give it a miss when I finally organise a genocidal tour of Scotland.

    Fixed it for you...
    Sorry what?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,890
    Penddu2 said:

    I believe one of my ancestors resided in Uddingston at some stage. Seeing the incredibly banal housing development, I think I’ll give it a miss when I finally organise a genocidal tour of Scotland.

    Fixed it for you...
    Sorry what?
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,938
    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
    Right, so if I'm reading all the innuendo correctly we have Judy Murray, Stormy Daniels, Prince William, Nicola Sturgeon and Chris Whitty getting upto various shenanigans together in a tent?

    Arent they just filming the latest version of Celebrity Big Brother?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,156
    Stuart Dickson is very quiet at the moment.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958
    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
    Oi, zip it!
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,387
    Andy_JS said:

    Stuart Dickson is very quiet at the moment.

    He's been pretty quiet for a while TBF.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
    Right, so if I'm reading all the innuendo correctly we have Judy Murray, Stormy Daniels, Prince William, Nicola Sturgeon and Chris Whitty getting upto various shenanigans together in a tent?

    Arent they just filming the latest version of Celebrity Big Brother?
    And Jennifer Arcuri has to come back into it at some point. I feel like she was seeded in season 2 ahead of a big plot twist in season 4.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,938
    TimS said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
    Right, so if I'm reading all the innuendo correctly we have Judy Murray, Stormy Daniels, Prince William, Nicola Sturgeon and Chris Whitty getting upto various shenanigans together in a tent?

    Arent they just filming the latest version of Celebrity Big Brother?
    And Jennifer Arcuri has to come back into it at some point. I feel like she was seeded in season 2 ahead of a big plot twist in season 4.
    I thought she was marrying Murdoch in Succession?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924
    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,545
    I’m not a fan of the hagiographic praising of Ardern but I do think she did bring some fresh perspectives on leadership which it’s worth discussing. She is however held to a different standard in the international press, it appears to me, who are quite willing to give her a pass on the basis of the aforementioned leadership qualities than assess her record in government which appears to be mixed at best. Interestingly, very similar to how Sturgeon has been treated historically.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    It's a very sensible suggestion, fully worked up by Foster and Partners and far better than the bodged alternative options.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    More people satisfied with Sunak than Starmer SKS Fans please explain
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,938
    edited April 2023
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    Dont know what a temporary traffic deck is but sounds like a lot of cash for one. Could get 4 designs for inspirational garden bridges done instead for that budget.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958

    TimS said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
    Right, so if I'm reading all the innuendo correctly we have Judy Murray, Stormy Daniels, Prince William, Nicola Sturgeon and Chris Whitty getting upto various shenanigans together in a tent?

    Arent they just filming the latest version of Celebrity Big Brother?
    And Jennifer Arcuri has to come back into it at some point. I feel like she was seeded in season 2 ahead of a big plot twist in season 4.
    I thought she was marrying Murdoch in Succession?
    I watched the second episode of the new series last night and had forgotten just how stressed and edgy watching it can make you feel. I felt the urge to start throwing witty but cutting insults at my family, in the same way I wanted to do roundhouse kicks after watching the Karate kid.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,924
    Nigelb said:

    On Truth Social this morning, after his day in court, Donald Trump has instructions for congressional Republicans: defund the FBI & DOJ

    https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/1643576629661138944

    Shocking its not even a Federal Case
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    Dont know what a temporary traffic deck is but sounds like a lot of cash for one. Could get 4 designs for inspirational garden bridges done instead for that budget.
    The bridge is so badly corroded and worn it's in danger of collapsing. The proposed temporary structure allows for vehicles to keep crossing on a new deck while the repair work goes on (possibly for years) to the original bridge below. The alternative is to either close the bridge completely and do the work, or attempt to work around contraflowed traffic, in the style of the palace of Westminster renovations.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    Presumption of innocence and all that.

    Now for the no doubt sloooooow progression until we get more action.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    theProle said:

    Being a curious soul, I'm wondering why the plod have gone in with the heavies and circus now. I was aware that this was on the cards from posts on here a couple of weeks ago. If I knew that, so did Mr Murrell and co, and if there were to have been wrongdoing, and also documents or data that was relevant to the case, the odds of them still being available for the plod to collect now seem rather poor - so what possible reason is there for the plod to have suddenly swooped on a huge evidence gathering raid now?

    A new party leader, wanting to definititively pin the mess on his immediate predecessors?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,387

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    More people satisfied with Sunak than Starmer SKS Fans please explain
    Easy. You've chopped off some significant context to suit your agenda - that was the first Tweet ("First of all..") in 9 or 10 Tweet thread. My explanation to you, as an SKS fan, is thus that you've edited Keiran Pedley's thread (indeed the actual Tweet itself) to make it look worse for Starmer and disingenuously haven't posted a link. To remedy that omission please see below -

    https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1643199953735495680
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,949
    edited April 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Stuart Dickson is very quiet at the moment.

    I thought he'd been cast out of PB?
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,938
    TimS said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    Dont know what a temporary traffic deck is but sounds like a lot of cash for one. Could get 4 designs for inspirational garden bridges done instead for that budget.
    The bridge is so badly corroded and worn it's in danger of collapsing. The proposed temporary structure allows for vehicles to keep crossing on a new deck while the repair work goes on (possibly for years) to the original bridge below. The alternative is to either close the bridge completely and do the work, or attempt to work around contraflowed traffic, in the style of the palace of Westminster renovations.
    Ah, so a bit like Tower Bridge used to operate in the olden days. May I suggest we rebrand Hammersmith Bridge as the Greatest Royal Bridge in Majestic London and sell it to Trump for £5bn when he wins the presidency?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    Many moons ago, I commented on here that it was unhealthy for a political party's leader and its chief executive to be in a relationship. I was howled at by the usual suspects, who said it was fine.

    I guess I was right? (*) ;)

    (*) for once...

    It was always odd given the potential for the appearance of conflict of interest, which as politicians know but pretend to forget, can still be a problem, even if not as serious as an actual conflict.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    With my work hat on, and looking at the number of polis outside SNP HQ, I hope their IT manager has really good offsite data backups - because if their servers are going to end up in the back of a Paddy Wagon, their whole office could be shut for weeks.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,138

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
    Right, so if I'm reading all the innuendo correctly we have Judy Murray, Stormy Daniels, Prince William, Nicola Sturgeon and Chris Whitty getting upto various shenanigans together in a tent?

    Arent they just filming the latest version of Celebrity Big Brother?
    But why are the police providing the tent ?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,949

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    It's the one crumb of comfort that Con supporters have to cling to currently. People's view of SKS remains at best lukewarm.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    Roger said:

    If this leads to some sort of implosion in the SNP all it will effectively mean is that the 45% or so of Scots who want independence will organise themselves in some other way. The only predictable result from such a happening is a large increase in Labour MPs from Scotland.

    Scottish politics since 2014 has been dominated by the fact that the 45% who voted for Independence voted in subsequent elections on the basis that the Constitutional issue was their most important concern.

    If a large proportion of that 45% decide that voting on the basis of other criteria is more important, then Scottish politics becomes a lot more fluid and unpredictable. A Labour resurgence is possible, but it is not inevitable.
    It was already pretty fluid compared to elsewhere. Both sides currently playing for time.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,810
    TimS said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    Dont know what a temporary traffic deck is but sounds like a lot of cash for one. Could get 4 designs for inspirational garden bridges done instead for that budget.
    The bridge is so badly corroded and worn it's in danger of collapsing. The proposed temporary structure allows for vehicles to keep crossing on a new deck while the repair work goes on (possibly for years) to the original bridge below. The alternative is to either close the bridge completely and do the work, or attempt to work around contraflowed traffic, in the style of the palace of Westminster renovations.
    Hammersmith is a Victorian cheap job - it wasn't designed as one of their long term things.

    The sensible approach would be to take the whole thing down. The deck is a mess of updates anyway. Easy to create a self supporting deck to replace it within the space. Then put the towers and suspension chains back on as decoration.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    Sandpit said:

    Good luck on Sturgeon being appointed to run a whelk stall after this....

    She can be an FIA race director.
    Not incompetent enough.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,138

    Nigelb said:

    On Truth Social this morning, after his day in court, Donald Trump has instructions for congressional Republicans: defund the FBI & DOJ

    https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/1643576629661138944

    Shocking its not even a Federal Case
    The other two - rather more serious ones - are.
    Note the judge who just refused a motion to stay subpoenas likely related to those cases is a Trump appointee.

    CNN says that yesterday's refusal to stay a subpoena may cover Meadows, John Ratcliffe, Robert O’Brien, Stephen Miller, and Dan Scavino.

    Those are some incredibly important witnesses--they kind you call at end of investigation (just like Smith is doing in stolen docs case).

    https://mobile.twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1643586471750770693
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,545
    GIN1138 said:

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    It's the one crumb of comfort that Con supporters have to cling to currently. People's view of SKS remains at best lukewarm.
    And it’s one reason why I think we are not going to see a Labour blowout at the GE.

    Still think it’ll be a victory, could be a convincing one or a HP, but I’m not sold on apocalyptic level Tory wipeout.

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,810
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.
    What different perspective did she bring? I can only judge by reporting but she seems to have been a fairly standard politician in tone - she had some successes, turned a coalition given into a majority, and had some failures as well.

    It's a genuine question - many leaders adopt a tougher or more liberal approach, are more or less compassionate etc. Rarger6thdn suggest any criticism is from ageing right wingers, what was her different way of being?

    From afar she looks to be a reasonably successful left wing leader (electorally, I cannot judge her domestic record), not that unusual. What is behind the claim shes transformative in some way?

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    Aerial footage of chez Sturgeon

    I'm currently on the scene collecting aerial footage as the Uddingston home of Peter Murrell and Nicola Sturgeon is being searched by Police Scotland. Officers are currently searching the house, photographing items and moving some to a tent in the garden. #petermurrell [VIDEO]

    https://twitter.com/geoallison/status/1643577168788684801?s=20
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,787
    BBC: Silvio Berlusconi in intensive care with lung problems.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,395
    Nigelb said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Phew, busy old morning that.

    Anything exciting happen while I’ve been earning a living?

    It's been rather in-tents.
    People getting pegged, or just roped in?
    You're a witty guy.
    Right, so if I'm reading all the innuendo correctly we have Judy Murray, Stormy Daniels, Prince William, Nicola Sturgeon and Chris Whitty getting upto various shenanigans together in a tent?

    Arent they just filming the latest version of Celebrity Big Brother?
    But why are the police providing the tent ?
    They need something to piss out of..
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,890
    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.
    What different perspective did she bring? I can only judge by reporting but she seems to have been a fairly standard politician in tone - she had some successes, turned a coalition given into a majority, and had some failures as well.

    It's a genuine question - many leaders adopt a tougher or more liberal approach, are more or less compassionate etc. Rarger6thdn suggest any criticism is from ageing right wingers, what was her different way of being?

    From afar she looks to be a reasonably successful left wing leader (electorally, I cannot judge her domestic record), not that unusual. What is behind the claim shes transformative in some way?

    Nothing. It’s all spin.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,221

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    Oddly enough, there's another bridge over the Thames causing problems atm. The Oxford to Didcot railway has had to be shut because a bridge over the river has developed a rather significant list. It's likely to be out of action for quite a while, given it appear that one of the main girders has shifted.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-65173281

    The Hammersmith Bridge fiasco reflects poorly on the UK, London and local governments. It should have been sorted yonks ago, and is a classic example of why we can't effing well do stuff in this country.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,949

    GIN1138 said:

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    It's the one crumb of comfort that Con supporters have to cling to currently. People's view of SKS remains at best lukewarm.
    And it’s one reason why I think we are not going to see a Labour blowout at the GE.

    Still think it’ll be a victory, could be a convincing one or a HP, but I’m not sold on apocalyptic level Tory wipeout.

    Indeed. Lab majority 1-20 seats is what I'm expecting.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,727
    Nigelb said:
    Great for Yousaf, that Murrell's arrest didn't occur until AFTER his own "election" or rather quasi-coronation.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    How can anyone deny that there is a God, when one reads such good news as this and the arrest of The Donald.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    GIN1138 said:



    GIN1138 said:

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    It's the one crumb of comfort that Con supporters have to cling to currently. People's view of SKS remains at best lukewarm.
    And it’s one reason why I think we are not going to see a Labour blowout at the GE.

    Still think it’ll be a victory, could be a convincing one or a HP, but I’m not sold on apocalyptic level Tory wipeout.

    Indeed. Lab majority 1-20 seats is what I'm expecting.
    For maximum shitz n gigglez - Labour one short, but Corbyn wins as an independent.....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    edited April 2023

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight limit, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013

    Partisan post: looks like this could turn out to be a very good day for the Labour Party, both in Scotland and by extension the UK as a whole.

    Not if it means the Tories make gains in Scotland. Makes our job in England and Wales that much harder.
    Good morning

    Not entirely unexpected news and very much as predicted by our Ayrshire colleague

    As far as the political consequences it would seem a considerable win for the union, and labour gaining seats, indeed even possible conservative gains, but swopping SNP seats for labour does not reduce the need for labour to do very well in England and Wales to gain a majority

    As I have often said, as have many others, a week is a long time in politics and of course events influence the future in politics as well
    It’s weird, but entirely plausible, that the Tories might actually gain a couple of Scottish seats.
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    DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    kle4 said:

    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.
    What different perspective did she bring? I can only judge by reporting but she seems to have been a fairly standard politician in tone - she had some successes, turned a coalition given into a majority, and had some failures as well.

    It's a genuine question - many leaders adopt a tougher or more liberal approach, are more or less compassionate etc. Rarger6thdn suggest any criticism is from ageing right wingers, what was her different way of being?

    From afar she looks to be a reasonably successful left wing leader (electorally, I cannot judge her domestic record), not that unusual. What is behind the claim shes transformative in some way?

    I think it's because the left wing parties of the UK and US have produced zero female heads of government between them, so the contrast is stark.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,411

    GIN1138 said:



    GIN1138 said:

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    It's the one crumb of comfort that Con supporters have to cling to currently. People's view of SKS remains at best lukewarm.
    And it’s one reason why I think we are not going to see a Labour blowout at the GE.

    Still think it’ll be a victory, could be a convincing one or a HP, but I’m not sold on apocalyptic level Tory wipeout.

    Indeed. Lab majority 1-20 seats is what I'm expecting.
    For maximum shitz n gigglez - Labour one short, but Corbyn wins as an independent.....
    They'd probably sooner do a deal with Caroline Lucas or the SDLP
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    GIN1138 said:

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    It's the one crumb of comfort that Con supporters have to cling to currently. People's view of SKS remains at best lukewarm.
    No love for him on the doorsteps...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:



    GIN1138 said:

    Keiran Pedley twitter

    First of all, some good news for the PM. His leader satisfaction ratings improve and Starmer's worsen

    Sunak
    Satisfied 32% (+5)
    Dissatisfied 54% (-5)

    Starmer
    Satisfied 31% (-3)
    Dissatisfied 51% (+5)

    Little to choose between the two leaders. Starmer figures worth watching.

    It's the one crumb of comfort that Con supporters have to cling to currently. People's view of SKS remains at best lukewarm.
    And it’s one reason why I think we are not going to see a Labour blowout at the GE.

    Still think it’ll be a victory, could be a convincing one or a HP, but I’m not sold on apocalyptic level Tory wipeout.

    Indeed. Lab majority 1-20 seats is what I'm expecting.
    For maximum shitz n gigglez - Labour one short, but Corbyn wins as an independent.....
    They'd probably sooner do a deal with Caroline Lucas or the SDLP
    Or the Tories!
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,880

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    Dont know what a temporary traffic deck is but sounds like a lot of cash for one. Could get 4 designs for inspirational garden bridges done instead for that budget.
    Self-supporting road inserted inside the arches, aiui. This is the best impression I can find easily:


    I used to live quite close - backing onto Chiswick House, and I'm inclined, whatever else happens, to leave private vehicles off it permanently. London needs more foot / wheeling bridges. It's been closed for several years now, and to me that seems far better.

    The entrepreneurial bit is that the LDs running Richmond are trying to get money from the Mayor.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    Andy_JS said:

    Stuart Dickson is very quiet at the moment.

    No more of his “tomorrow belongs to us, ho, ho, ho, posts.”
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Sean_F said:

    How can anyone deny that there is a God, when one reads such good news as this and the arrest of The Donald.

    God's busy, doing the heavy lifting on Boris though....
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,087
    Interesting... NATO want UvdL to move from rue de la Loi to Boulevard Leopold III to become SecGen and may extend Stoltenberg's term to fit with the end of her Commission Presidency. Mark Rutte and Pedro Sanchez are also in the frame but NATO want a woman and Kaja Kallas is too mental about Russia. If NATO are leaking UvdL she must be Biden's pick.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/war-nato-struggle-replace-jensstoltenberg-ursula-von-der-leyen/
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,221
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    There will be a number of complications to any of this:
    Piers in river will adjust water flow, potentially causing erosion/deposition issues with structures further up and downstream, as it's tidal.
    Services in and around anywhere you need to dig, that will need moving.
    Ecological issues
    Archaeological issues
    etc

    But all of these are easily fixable given will, or even ignorable given necessity. And the proposed cost is staggering. We're really pricing ourselves out of doing anything in this country - and I fear the people wanting more legislation are fine with this.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,814
    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    (1) I'm a millenial not a Boomer
    (2) I will criticise anyone for self-indulgent narcissism, male or female
    (3) The way she wears the Maori clothes and starts weeping at her own munificence I found absolute cringe, laced with self-pity

    Just like as with Gary Lineker- who's a bloke, by the way - this is what happens to people when they live in self-adulating bubbles. It's been a problem all the way back to the Romans, which is why one of the emperors used to hire someone to follow them around whispering in their ear, "you're only human".

    You empathise because you see something of yourself in this and it's exactly the sort of shallow level at which you engage with politics.

    One should be venerated for doing something, not being someone, and if you are you shouldn't wallow in your own fawning self-regard, as that is just vanity.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.

    As are women in leadership generally.

    The world would be a far better, and far safer, place if all men were banned from leadership for a very long time.

    Preferably eternity.

    Men are responsible for virtually all the violence, war, and hatred in this world.

    xx
    What an ignorant comment.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,814

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    A paean to individualism and meritocracy.

    Is that the left though?

    Also as much as he is increasingly derided as an irrelevance maybe Tony Blair is the philosopher king of modern politics?
    He possibly started this off, but was never as bad as this.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,810
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight limit, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    It's not just an oars depth. At low tide, the inshore span on the Barnes side is impassable to even a small boat. You can walk through in wellies. and not tall ones at that.

    The main channel is quite narrow.

    The problem is the tidal range.

    A ferry is impossible because at low tide, it would get stuck miles from shore. If you dredge a "slot" for the ferry, it would get filled in/torn up by the flow/tide very rapidly.

    Get some of that "Bailey Bridge Crap" (TM).
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193

    BBC: Silvio Berlusconi in intensive care with lung problems.

    Covid?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    edited April 2023
    Dura_Ace said:

    Interesting... NATO want UvdL to move from rue de la Loi to Boulevard Leopold III to become SecGen and may extend Stoltenberg's term to fit with the end of her Commission Presidency. Mark Rutte and Pedro Sanchez are also in the frame but NATO want a woman and Kaja Kallas is too mental about Russia. If NATO are leaking UvdL she must be Biden's pick.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/war-nato-struggle-replace-jensstoltenberg-ursula-von-der-leyen/

    Answer 1: Bloody hell, can’t they find someone with a positive record in government?

    Answer 2: If UvdL is Biden’s pick, that says f..kloads about where US foreign policy is heading. China is the new adversary, and Europe had better get used to defending itself against Russia and what’s left of its army.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,856
    Oooh, naughty!

    Murrell should have hidden in the closet

    https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/1643593767356706820?s=20
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    Sean_F said:

    Partisan post: looks like this could turn out to be a very good day for the Labour Party, both in Scotland and by extension the UK as a whole.

    Not if it means the Tories make gains in Scotland. Makes our job in England and Wales that much harder.
    Good morning

    Not entirely unexpected news and very much as predicted by our Ayrshire colleague

    As far as the political consequences it would seem a considerable win for the union, and labour gaining seats, indeed even possible conservative gains, but swopping SNP seats for labour does not reduce the need for labour to do very well in England and Wales to gain a majority

    As I have often said, as have many others, a week is a long time in politics and of course events influence the future in politics as well
    It’s weird, but entirely plausible, that the Tories might actually gain a couple of Scottish seats.
    Lets not get carried away. The visceral hatred - or at best pained disdain - for the government extends north of the wall. Whilst I accept that an SNP / Tory battle is the Shit Sandwich vs Giant Douche battle mocked by South Park, there are other parties.

    My new seat post boundary change will be the bulk of the old Gordon seat. So lets get that LibDem revival going - voting yellow as the alternative to the other two works up here as well as in southern England...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,814
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.

    As are women in leadership generally.

    The world would be a far better, and far safer, place if all men were banned from leadership for a very long time.

    Preferably eternity.

    Men are responsible for virtually all the violence, war, and hatred in this world.

    xx
    Accusing others of sexism (whilst actually being very sexist yourself) is clearly far easier for you than engaging with the challenging points that have been raised because they tax your simple and limited mind.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,890
    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Interesting... NATO want UvdL to move from rue de la Loi to Boulevard Leopold III to become SecGen and may extend Stoltenberg's term to fit with the end of her Commission Presidency. Mark Rutte and Pedro Sanchez are also in the frame but NATO want a woman and Kaja Kallas is too mental about Russia. If NATO are leaking UvdL she must be Biden's pick.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/war-nato-struggle-replace-jensstoltenberg-ursula-von-der-leyen/

    Answer 1: Bloody hell, can’t they find someone with a positive record in government?

    Answer 2: If UvdL is Biden’s pick, that says f..kloads about where US foreign policy is heading. China is the new adversary, and Europe had better get used to defending itself against Russia and what’s left of its army.
    Buried in the article is another Brexit dividend.

    “Then there’s the fact that some capitals would oppose a non-EU candidate, complicating a Wallace candidacy.”
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    Oddly enough, there's another bridge over the Thames causing problems atm. The Oxford to Didcot railway has had to be shut because a bridge over the river has developed a rather significant list. It's likely to be out of action for quite a while, given it appear that one of the main girders has shifted.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-65173281

    The Hammersmith Bridge fiasco reflects poorly on the UK, London and local governments. It should have been sorted yonks ago, and is a classic example of why we can't effing well do stuff in this country.
    The country is so creaking and mismatched that the ideal solution would be a grand rebuild and renovation, starting from scratch.

    1. Temporarily vacate the country, moving UK residents to a new similarly sized temporary location with well appointed portacabins while building work takes place
    2. Demolish the existing UK built environment and reverse significant rural landuse changes. Re-zone farmland, wilderness and semi-wild landscapes
    3. Establish new infrastructure to cater for current and 100 year projected population demands, including road and rail, ports and airports, sewage, electricity grid, broadband and pubs
    4. Rebuild historical British towns and cities without the ugly bits. Re-install the pre-great fire city of London
    5. Move British residents back in and ship off the temporary country to somewhere that needs it
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Sandpit said:

    With my work hat on, and looking at the number of polis outside SNP HQ, I hope their IT manager has really good offsite data backups - because if their servers are going to end up in the back of a Paddy Wagon, their whole office could be shut for weeks.

    How are they EVER going to know how many members they 've got?

    (Answer: ask Plod....)
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,873

    BBC: Silvio Berlusconi in intensive care with lung problems.

    Covid?
    Heart issues, I think the line is. He was discharged from hospital last Thursday after a previous hospital stay, has been re-admitted and is currently in IC
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    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Interesting... NATO want UvdL to move from rue de la Loi to Boulevard Leopold III to become SecGen and may extend Stoltenberg's term to fit with the end of her Commission Presidency. Mark Rutte and Pedro Sanchez are also in the frame but NATO want a woman and Kaja Kallas is too mental about Russia. If NATO are leaking UvdL she must be Biden's pick.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/war-nato-struggle-replace-jensstoltenberg-ursula-von-der-leyen/

    Answer 1: Bloody hell, can’t they find someone with a positive record in government?

    Answer 2: If UvdL is Biden’s pick, that says f..kloads about where US foreign policy is heading. China is the new adversary, and Europe had better get used to defending itself against Russia and what’s left of its army.
    Buried in the article is another Brexit dividend.

    “Then there’s the fact that some capitals would oppose a non-EU candidate, complicating a Wallace candidacy.”
    I'm sure there are a fair few eastern EU members who might not be keen on UvdL...
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    Sandpit said:

    With my work hat on, and looking at the number of polis outside SNP HQ, I hope their IT manager has really good offsite data backups - because if their servers are going to end up in the back of a Paddy Wagon, their whole office could be shut for weeks.

    This is where they find out the hard way how good their business continuity plan is. Assuming they actually have one.
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    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight limit, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    It's not just an oars depth. At low tide, the inshore span on the Barnes side is impassable to even a small boat. You can walk through in wellies. and not tall ones at that.

    The main channel is quite narrow.

    The problem is the tidal range.

    A ferry is impossible because at low tide, it would get stuck miles from shore. If you dredge a "slot" for the ferry, it would get filled in/torn up by the flow/tide very rapidly.

    Get some of that "Bailey Bridge Crap" (TM).
    Malmesbury, what is the best club to go to if I wanted to start rowing on the Thames?
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,959

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    There will be a number of complications to any of this:
    Piers in river will adjust water flow, potentially causing erosion/deposition issues with structures further up and downstream, as it's tidal.
    Services in and around anywhere you need to dig, that will need moving.
    Ecological issues
    Archaeological issues
    etc

    But all of these are easily fixable given will, or even ignorable given necessity. And the proposed cost is staggering. We're really pricing ourselves out of doing anything in this country - and I fear the people wanting more legislation are fine with this.
    Spending £200m for a temporary bridge in the capital does not look good from the Red Wall.

    What percentage of these costs are the actual Engineering?
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    Oooh, naughty!

    Murrell should have hidden in the closet

    https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/1643593767356706820?s=20

    Hopefully Nicola had time to hide her strap on before the rozzers arrived.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight limit, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    It's not just an oars depth. At low tide, the inshore span on the Barnes side is impassable to even a small boat. You can walk through in wellies. and not tall ones at that.

    The main channel is quite narrow.

    The problem is the tidal range.

    A ferry is impossible because at low tide, it would get stuck miles from shore. If you dredge a "slot" for the ferry, it would get filled in/torn up by the flow/tide very rapidly.

    Get some of that "Bailey Bridge Crap" (TM).
    You have the Engineers do something on one side of the dead bridge, within a few weeks.

    Then you do something like this on the other side, that takes a few months.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20070821075528/http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/07/21/10140714.html
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_Bridge,_Dubai

    Then you set about fixing the old bridge, which was never designed to last as long as it has, and as you say can be a normal supported bridge with added towers and ‘cables’ for decoration.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,030
    Mr. Royale, at Triumphs, the glorious general had in his chariot a slave murmuring a reminder that he was mortal.

    Not unlike the jester of medieval times, ridiculing the high and mighty.

    Mr. Walker, are those same capitals opposed to non-EU weapons being sent to Ukraine?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.

    As are women in leadership generally.

    The world would be a far better, and far safer, place if all men were banned from leadership for a very long time.

    Preferably eternity.

    Men are responsible for virtually all the violence, war, and hatred in this world.

    xx
    Golda Meir? "There is no such thing as Palestinians"?
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    There will be a number of complications to any of this:
    Piers in river will adjust water flow, potentially causing erosion/deposition issues with structures further up and downstream, as it's tidal.
    Services in and around anywhere you need to dig, that will need moving.
    Ecological issues
    Archaeological issues
    etc

    But all of these are easily fixable given will, or even ignorable given necessity. And the proposed cost is staggering. We're really pricing ourselves out of doing anything in this country - and I fear the people wanting more legislation are fine with this.
    Spending £200m for a temporary bridge in the capital does not look good from the Red Wall.

    What percentage of these costs are the actual Engineering?
    It's none of the Red Wall's business really.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024

    Sandpit said:

    With my work hat on, and looking at the number of polis outside SNP HQ, I hope their IT manager has really good offsite data backups - because if their servers are going to end up in the back of a Paddy Wagon, their whole office could be shut for weeks.

    This is where they find out the hard way how good their business continuity plan is. Assuming they actually have one.
    To quote Yello, oooohhhhh yyyeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh.

    To be more serious, a well set up organisation should have seen the potential for today’s events for some time now. If they can’t have everything back up and running by Monday, that’s a failure.

    Are there local elections in Scotland a month from now?
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,993
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    With my work hat on, and looking at the number of polis outside SNP HQ, I hope their IT manager has really good offsite data backups - because if their servers are going to end up in the back of a Paddy Wagon, their whole office could be shut for weeks.

    This is where they find out the hard way how good their business continuity plan is. Assuming they actually have one.
    To quote Yello, oooohhhhh yyyeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh.

    To be more serious, a well set up organisation should have seen the potential for today’s events for some time now. If they can’t have everything back up and running by Monday, that’s a failure.

    Are there local elections in Scotland a month from now?
    Luckily for Humza - no.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    edited April 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    With my work hat on, and looking at the number of polis outside SNP HQ, I hope their IT manager has really good offsite data backups - because if their servers are going to end up in the back of a Paddy Wagon, their whole office could be shut for weeks.

    This is where they find out the hard way how good their business continuity plan is. Assuming they actually have one.
    To quote Yello, oooohhhhh yyyeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh.

    To be more serious, a well set up organisation should have seen the potential for today’s events for some time now. If they can’t have everything back up and running by Monday, that’s a failure.

    Are there local elections in Scotland a month from now?
    Apparently not.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    TimS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    There will be a number of complications to any of this:
    Piers in river will adjust water flow, potentially causing erosion/deposition issues with structures further up and downstream, as it's tidal.
    Services in and around anywhere you need to dig, that will need moving.
    Ecological issues
    Archaeological issues
    etc

    But all of these are easily fixable given will, or even ignorable given necessity. And the proposed dry much cost is staggering. We're really pricing ourselves out of doing anything in this country - and I fear the people wanting more legislation are fine with this.
    Spending £200m for a temporary bridge in the capital does not look good from the Red Wall.

    What percentage of these costs are the actual Engineering?
    It's none of the Red Wall's business really.
    The £200m is coming out of Hammersmith Council and the Mayor’s budgets, rather than from the UK Treasury?

    If it’s from the Treasury, then it’s very much every UK resident’s business.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,810

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight limit, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    It's not just an oars depth. At low tide, the inshore span on the Barnes side is impassable to even a small boat. You can walk through in wellies. and not tall ones at that.

    The main channel is quite narrow.

    The problem is the tidal range.

    A ferry is impossible because at low tide, it would get stuck miles from shore. If you dredge a "slot" for the ferry, it would get filled in/torn up by the flow/tide very rapidly.

    Get some of that "Bailey Bridge Crap" (TM).
    Malmesbury, what is the best club to go to if I wanted to start rowing on the Thames?
    Sent you a direct message. What's your skill level?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    Andy_JS said:

    "@FraserNelson

    After Murrell’s arrest, police now entering SNP headquarters; investigation stepping up"

    https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1643548346416525313

    You’re two/three hours behind the story.
    Lack of a smartphone factor.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,810
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight limit, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    It's not just an oars depth. At low tide, the inshore span on the Barnes side is impassable to even a small boat. You can walk through in wellies. and not tall ones at that.

    The main channel is quite narrow.

    The problem is the tidal range.

    A ferry is impossible because at low tide, it would get stuck miles from shore. If you dredge a "slot" for the ferry, it would get filled in/torn up by the flow/tide very rapidly.

    Get some of that "Bailey Bridge Crap" (TM).
    You have the Engineers do something on one side of the dead bridge, within a few weeks.

    Then you do something like this on the other side, that takes a few months.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20070821075528/http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/07/21/10140714.html
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_Bridge,_Dubai

    Then you set about fixing the old bridge, which was never designed to last as long as it has, and as you say can be a normal supported bridge with added towers and ‘cables’ for decoration.
    Given the shallow depth, location etc, a temporary bridge on piers would probably work the best. You could put the piers in the tidal/flow "shadow" of the existing piers.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,880

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    There will be a number of complications to any of this:
    Piers in river will adjust water flow, potentially causing erosion/deposition issues with structures further up and downstream, as it's tidal.
    Services in and around anywhere you need to dig, that will need moving.
    Ecological issues
    Archaeological issues
    etc

    But all of these are easily fixable given will, or even ignorable given necessity. And the proposed cost is staggering. We're really pricing ourselves out of doing anything in this country - and I fear the people wanting more legislation are fine with this.
    Spending £200m for a temporary bridge in the capital does not look good from the Red Wall.

    What percentage of these costs are the actual Engineering?
    Writing from the Red Wall, for a London pissitaway story it's not a patch on spending £18bn on renovating the Palace of Westminster.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193

    Sean_F said:

    Partisan post: looks like this could turn out to be a very good day for the Labour Party, both in Scotland and by extension the UK as a whole.

    Not if it means the Tories make gains in Scotland. Makes our job in England and Wales that much harder.
    Good morning

    Not entirely unexpected news and very much as predicted by our Ayrshire colleague

    As far as the political consequences it would seem a considerable win for the union, and labour gaining seats, indeed even possible conservative gains, but swopping SNP seats for labour does not reduce the need for labour to do very well in England and Wales to gain a majority

    As I have often said, as have many others, a week is a long time in politics and of course events influence the future in politics as well
    It’s weird, but entirely plausible, that the Tories might actually gain a couple of Scottish seats.
    Lets not get carried away. The visceral hatred - or at best pained disdain - for the government extends north of the wall. Whilst I accept that an SNP / Tory battle is the Shit Sandwich vs Giant Douche battle mocked by South Park, there are other parties.

    My new seat post boundary change will be the bulk of the old Gordon seat. So lets get that LibDem revival going - voting yellow as the alternative to the other two works up here as well as in southern England...
    Are the Greens going to get painted with the shitty stick by the voters for being the SNP's lackeys?
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,601
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.

    As are women in leadership generally.

    The world would be a far better, and far safer, place if all men were banned from leadership for a very long time.

    Preferably eternity.

    Men are responsible for virtually all the violence, war, and hatred in this world.

    xx
    The Power was not an instruction manual, but a work of fiction.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,959
    edited April 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight limit, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    It's not just an oars depth. At low tide, the inshore span on the Barnes side is impassable to even a small boat. You can walk through in wellies. and not tall ones at that.

    The main channel is quite narrow.

    The problem is the tidal range.

    A ferry is impossible because at low tide, it would get stuck miles from shore. If you dredge a "slot" for the ferry, it would get filled in/torn up by the flow/tide very rapidly.

    Get some of that "Bailey Bridge Crap" (TM).
    You have the Engineers do something on one side of the dead bridge, within a few weeks.

    Then you do something like this on the other side, that takes a few months.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20070821075528/http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/07/21/10140714.html
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_Bridge,_Dubai

    Then you set about fixing the old bridge, which was never designed to last as long as it has, and as you say can be a normal supported bridge with added towers and ‘cables’ for decoration.
    You do wonder whether listed status is appropriate for some infrastructure.

    The two concrete bridges (Rivers Don and Went) on the yet to be upgraded section of the A1 near Doncaster are listed, but nobody sane would want to keep them if the road is eventually turned into a motorway.

    They may well be early examples of the type, but really? Like Hammersmith, they weren't built to last hundreds of years.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105

    Sandpit said:

    With my work hat on, and looking at the number of polis outside SNP HQ, I hope their IT manager has really good offsite data backups - because if their servers are going to end up in the back of a Paddy Wagon, their whole office could be shut for weeks.

    This is where they find out the hard way how good their business continuity plan is. Assuming they actually have one.
    I recall a lot of amusement around covid as various continuity plans did have pandemic planning, but when one hit it was totally ignored and redone anyway.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,958
    Sandpit said:

    TimS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    To note the Scottish subsample polling average for the 6 pollsters who have conducted Westminster VIs including Scottish results since Yousaf was appointed:

    SNP 39, Lab 28, Con 19, LD 5, Green 3, Oth 5

    That is little changed from before his appointment. And being subsamples the weight of outliers remains potentially important, but the pattern of outliers is similar.

    SNP: 51/48/36/34/34/33
    Lab: 39/35/29/23/23/20
    Con: 28/21/19/17/16/14

    I suspect it will go a notch down again after this week, but there is surely now a fairly secure SNP base of those who voted based on national identity in 2015 and who would forgive their side things they would be outraged at if done by the other side. So where is the SNP floor? Possibly as high as 35%?

    In that way it mirrors the Conservatives in RUK. Monopolising one side of a cultural and identity divide (Brexit in their case) while multiple parties fight it out for the other side. We've seen how the Tory floor is still probably around 30% despite over a decade of at best underwhelming government.

    I assume the Tories also have a floor in Scotland too.

    The Lib Dems seem to be nowhere. I think this reflects their uncompromising unionism. If you're going to vote for an uncompromising unionist you might as well vote Tory or Labour. A devo-max Lib Dem might peel off a few of those on the right of the SNP.
    Lib Dems are fighting a battle to have a temporary motor traffic deck installed on Grade II* listed Hammersmith Bridge at a cost of £200m,the last I heard.
    They could probably save £190m by giving the Royal Engineers a call, have them build a temporary bridge alongside until they can fix the main one.
    That was suggested. The Thames at this point is shallow and not especially wide. I row under the bridge, on a weekly basis. I can quite often hit the bottom with the blades, if I get even slightly out of the channel.

    Apparently, legal action from a small number of residents on both sides stopped any such ideas.

    The simplest way to deal with that was to compulsorily purchase the houses in question - say at twice the market value. That would deal with any legal challenge or other issue.
    That comment says so much, about why it’s so difficult to get anything done.

    The Mayor and the DoT should have emergency powers in such a situation, and Parliament should be able to give them if they don’t already.

    If the river is really an oar’s depth to the side of the bridge, it should only take a few days to have something useable - where useable means a 1.5t axle weight, closed between 02:00 and 05:00 and on Sundays, for inspections. They could possibly even plan a raising section to let boats through, a la Tower Bridge.

    The other alternative is to dredge the river and run a ferry across, a dozen cars at a time.

    AIUI it currently takes an hour to cross the river at peak times, following any reasonable diversion route.
    There will be a number of complications to any of this:
    Piers in river will adjust water flow, potentially causing erosion/deposition issues with structures further up and downstream, as it's tidal.
    Services in and around anywhere you need to dig, that will need moving.
    Ecological issues
    Archaeological issues
    etc

    But all of these are easily fixable given will, or even ignorable given necessity. And the proposed dry much cost is staggering. We're really pricing ourselves out of doing anything in this country - and I fear the people wanting more legislation are fine with this.
    Spending £200m for a temporary bridge in the capital does not look good from the Red Wall.

    What percentage of these costs are the actual Engineering?
    It's none of the Red Wall's business really.
    The £200m is coming out of Hammersmith Council and the Mayor’s budgets, rather than from the UK Treasury?

    If it’s from the Treasury, then it’s very much every UK resident’s business.
    I think it comes from the Mayor's budget. Now the rest of the country could complain the mayor gets too much money in the first place but bear in mind London is hardly a net recipient of government funding. It also has 9 million residents, several times larger than the entire population of the red wall.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,105
    Sean_F said:

    How can anyone deny that there is a God, when one reads such good news as this and the arrest of The Donald.

    I'm waiting for conviction before I convert (not expecting it on the NY case).
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,808
    Heathener said:

    Driver said:

    Heathener said:

    Saint Jacinda seems to have disappeared up her own arsehole in her closing address.

    Shame we didn't have Jarvis Cocker to walk on stage and waft the smell away this time.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-65186368

    What a characteristically bitter male boomer post.

    She's speaking from an alien perspective to you because she's a woman in leadership who decided to show another way of being.

    Thank god for Jacinda.
    What a characteristically bitter sexist trolling post.
    Not really.

    A lot of ageing blokes on here parrot out tired old tropes, mainly because they are bewildered by alternative perspectives which may broaden their horizons aka. they are threatened by them.

    Jacinda showed a different way of being. It's alien to right wing old men.

    I'm not in fact saying she was perfect, far from it. But she brought a different perspective and that's a very good thing.

    As are women in leadership generally.

    The world would be a far better, and far safer, place if all men were banned from leadership for a very long time.

    Preferably eternity.

    Men are responsible for virtually all the violence, war, and hatred in this world.

    xx
    A post on sexism that is, well, very sexist.

    I am all in favour of greater diversity in general, and particularly more female political leaders, but the idea there should be a sisterhood hegemony and this would be utopian is just ludicrous.

    The main reason there have been less evil women leaders in history is because there have been less women leaders. Women are not without vice and therefore by extension less evil than men.

    It might be worth you looking up Winnie Mandela as an example and contrast her with her obviously male ex-spouse.
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