Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Bollocks, desperate if you do not even understand basic biology. Did someone hit you on the head with that flask.
It's a very common sort of post that the poster typically thinks highlights shows they are intelligent but actually shows the exact opposite.
14 hour border waits are yet another data point in the perception that this is country no longer working properly. Along with no longer being able to rely on ambulances to pick you up if you collapse, not having teachers for your classrooms etc.
It isn't a cultural issue.
Yeah this is why it is less than 2 years and counting. Good riddance.
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
By geography alone Lincolnshire is a little out of the way. The Kent, Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk coastline would make way more sense. Anyway the doughty burghers of Islington would have no rights to stay at the Miners' Welfare Holiday Camp, having never been miners (is the Miners' Welfare still there by the way?).
And with all due respects I would be surprised if you are the sort of guy who frequents the Lumley Road Co-op to procure your flagon of White Lightening to lubricate the tonsils while consuming your pie and chips. Of course I may be completely wrong.
Not entirely wrong - as I don't drink...
But I am an East Midlands lad whose grandfather was a miner, so I have memories of the place,
My finest footballing memory is on the beach at Skeggy - the most beautifully curled corner onto my mates head for a Goal of the Month.
We need to end this idea that Boomers are reactionary bigots and Gen Z'ers naturally more progressive, perceptive and enlightened. For example, this astonishingly high number who are counter-reacting through Andrew Tate:
"A 2023 survey conducted by Hope not Hate found that eight in ten British boys aged 16-17 had consumed Tate's content and that 45% of British men aged 16–24 had a positive view of him, compared to only 1% of British women aged 16-17 who held a positive view of Tate."
Young people are simply impressionable and subject to the fashions of their peer group. That can include Ultra-Wokery or rampant misogyny.
What it doesn't give them is some unique claim to truth and enlightenment that no other generation shares.
What they should be taught is how to think for themselves.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
There are some wonderful places in the UK. The problem is the weather - it’s shit! Gloomy and 11C is not pleasant.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
So, just checked in on Twitter. None of the Dover delay noise is coming from Labour politicians.
Tory PB doesn't give a crap about the family holidays ruined. Somehow it's all a big mistake by Starmer.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Ok please can we go back to having a government that can manage things like international travel, ambulances arriving at hospitals, fixing our roads, employing enough nurses and building enough houses?
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
There are some wonderful places in the UK. The problem is the weather - it’s shit! Gloomy and 11C is not pleasant.
Bring on global warming. We can enjoy the vineyards on the Severn and forsake the deserts of southern France.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Sadly, that is the argument. Your side of it seems to be that holidaymakers just have themselves to blame.
You got the Brexit you wanted; your party has run the country for the last decade - and you're still trying to shift the blame for problems which weren't problems before.
Most over 60s wouldn't dream of talking to women like some of the young followers of Andrew Tate do, and many have a sense of duty to their local community and country that they pride themselves in, and are active and selfless volunteers within it. They wouldn't dream of blowing their own trumpet.
Let's end these simple labels please. No generation of humanity is superior to another.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Sadly, that is the argument. Your side of it seems to be that holidaymakers just have themselves to blame.
You got the Brexit you wanted; your party has run the country for the last decade - and you're still trying to shift the blame for problems which weren't problems before.
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
By geography alone Lincolnshire is a little out of the way. The Kent, Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk coastline would make way more sense. Anyway the doughty burghers of Islington would have no rights to stay at the Miners' Welfare Holiday Camp, having never been miners (is the Miners' Welfare still there by the way?).
And with all due respects I would be surprised if you are the sort of guy who frequents the Lumley Road Co-op to procure your flagon of White Lightening to lubricate the tonsils while consuming your pie and chips. Of course I may be completely wrong.
Not entirely wrong - as I don't drink...
But I am an East Midlands lad whose grandfather was a miner, so I have memories of the place,
My finest footballing memory is on the beach at Skeggy - the most beautifully curled corner onto my mates head for a Goal of the Month.
I knew it quite well through work in the 1980s, I found Skeggy a bit lairy, but I preferred the gentile calm of Mabelthorpe. I would buy my lunch there and consume it in the car park at Sutton on Sea as I watched my green Cavalier turn white from the North Sea spray.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Ok please can we go back to having a government that can manage things like international travel, ambulances arriving at hospitals, fixing our roads, employing enough nurses and building enough houses?
Well, once we've paid off the costs of keeping millions of jobs through Covid, we can talk.
Suella Braverman to me seems completely out of her depth. Why is an intelligent man like Sunak leaving her there?
Because she’s a useful foil for opposition politicians, who are at odds with public opinion on current Home Office issues. It’s good politics, to constantly remind the public that Labour want more unskilled immigration.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
There are some wonderful places in the UK. The problem is the weather - it’s shit! Gloomy and 11C is not pleasant.
In my part of Devon, visitors from the Midlands dominate. You hear a lot more Brummie and Black Country accents in Sidmouth, Ludrum Bay and Exmouth than you do London ones. Basically because the M5 makes it a relatively easy journey. Same with North Devon and Somerset coastal towns.
Londoners tend to head south to Kent, Sussex, Hampshire and Bournemouth on the M2 and M3, or east to Southend and Clacton. Not sure why you’d expect them to flock to Blackpool or Skegness.
Strangely I do have someone from Skegness coming down to stay with me in Exmouth late July but that is more because I have a friend from New Orleans coming to stay for a couple of weeks and they are also friends. Just seemed oddly random people talking of holidaying, devon and skegness on this thread
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
Starmer is fed his lines by his analysts and strategists, Mandelson chief amongst them.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Ok please can we go back to having a government that can manage things like international travel, ambulances arriving at hospitals, fixing our roads, employing enough nurses and building enough houses?
Are you mad? The voters don't care about any of that fluff. Fighting an immigrant invasion in small boats and chicks with dicks is the present and the future.
I didn't realise that Frenchmen in berets cycling around the UK (mostly Wales, so they could speak Breton) selling onions - Onion Johnnies - was actually a real, common thing. No wonder I grew up with that stereotype!
I might try to go to Le Comptoir des Johnnies when I'm in Saint-Pol-de-Leon
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Ok please can we go back to having a government that can manage things like international travel, ambulances arriving at hospitals, fixing our roads, employing enough nurses and building enough houses?
Well, once we've paid off the costs of keeping millions of jobs through Covid, we can talk.
We shall all talk soon enough, and after then it wont matter what your gang say.
I didn't realise that Frenchmen in berets cycling around the UK (mostly Wales, so they could speak Breton) selling onions - Onion Johnnies - was actually a real, common thing. No wonder I grew up with that stereotype!
I might try to go to Le Comptoir des Johnnies when I'm in Saint-Pol-de-Leon
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Sadly, that is the argument. Your side of it seems to be that holidaymakers just have themselves to blame.
You got the Brexit you wanted; your party has run the country for the last decade - and you're still trying to shift the blame for problems which weren't problems before.
What a piss-poor response.
You want me to enter into a discussion of your analysis of Labour messaging ? I'm just not very interested.
This is what it boils down to, and it's pretty clear which message smells more of bullshit.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Nothing.
Except when it is John Redwood trolling people for daing to try and holiday abroad from the Brexit Britain circumstances he created.
Then it is "just go and dtop dead in a sewage filled pit" level arseholery.
I didn't realise that Frenchmen in berets cycling around the UK (mostly Wales, so they could speak Breton) selling onions - Onion Johnnies - was actually a real, common thing. No wonder I grew up with that stereotype!
I might try to go to Le Comptoir des Johnnies when I'm in Saint-Pol-de-Leon
I remember as a child in the 1960s both my grandmothers ( in the Llanelli area) buying onions from "Johnny Onions". When I left Cardiff for the rural Vale in 2000 there was a guy with a bike selling onions off the handlebars in Llantwit Major, although I suspect his name was Keith, and he had driven his bike from Barry in the back of his Transit.
When I arrived in Cardiff in 1986, Penclawdd (Gower) cockle sellers would tour the pubs with shellfish snacks. I haven't seen it for years, but then I no longer frequent Cardiff pubs. It was nonetheless a lovely little foible from living in Wales.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Ok please can we go back to having a government that can manage things like international travel, ambulances arriving at hospitals, fixing our roads, employing enough nurses and building enough houses?
Are you mad? The voters don't care about any of that fluff. Fighting an immigrant invasion in small boats and chicks with dicks is the present and the future.
Sadly, I'm not joking.
I’m not sure it’s the voters themselves: this particular government is incapable of fixing any of that stuff for a mix of reasons[1], so culture war bullshit is all they have left.
[1] Pick your favourites from rank incompetance, refusal to step outside ideological constraints & in some cases genuinely wicked problems that are not soluable in the short term.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Bollocks, desperate if you do not even understand basic biology. Did someone hit you on the head with that flask.
I feel rather sorry for people with intersex conditions. They’re a tiny proportion of the population - and only a small proportion of trans people (and many don’t even identify as trans). The politicised debate puts them in a really difficult and stressful position.
No, its the transphobes and genitalia obsessives who make their life a misery.
hmmmm, methinks it is more like yourself etc that are the obsessives
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Sadly, that is the argument. Your side of it seems to be that holidaymakers just have themselves to blame.
You got the Brexit you wanted; your party has run the country for the last decade - and you're still trying to shift the blame for problems which weren't problems before.
What a piss-poor response.
You want me to enter into a discussion of your analysis of Labour messaging ? I'm just not very interested.
This is what it boils down to, and it's pretty clear which message smells more of bullshit.
"Labour is mean about Skegness" is pathetic stuff.
A lot of the people who are going to vote the Tories out are not Labour fans so have no interest or need to justify whatever Labour say. We have simply had enough of prioritisation of divisive bluster over service delivery.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Ok please can we go back to having a government that can manage things like international travel, ambulances arriving at hospitals, fixing our roads, employing enough nurses and building enough houses?
Ambulance waits seems to have dropped off the news. Sorted? Or now routine?
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
yes, one of the Brexit bonuses is the freedom to let the water companies off load sewage all over our beaches far more frequently.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Sadly, that is the argument. Your side of it seems to be that holidaymakers just have themselves to blame.
You got the Brexit you wanted; your party has run the country for the last decade - and you're still trying to shift the blame for problems which weren't problems before.
What a piss-poor response.
You want me to enter into a discussion of your analysis of Labour messaging ? I'm just not very interested.
This is what it boils down to, and it's pretty clear which message smells more of bullshit.
"Labour is mean about Skegness" is pathetic stuff.
A lot of the people who are going to vote the Tories out are not Labour fans so have no interest or need to justify whatever Labour say. We have simply had enough of prioritisation of divisive bluster over service delivery.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
Starmer is fed his lines by his analysts and strategists, Mandelson chief amongst them.
Then, he parrots them.
It might be a good idea to humiliate Starmer with some of the parody comedy put downs well used on here in the eighteen months from April 2020. Marquee Mark has a comprehensive list, and some of them were actually quite funny. Although "Brittas" didn't really work for me.
In the early 70s, the local Boston pub ran a coach to Skeg for an evening of conviviable drinking. At closing-time, we encountered a bus-load from Chesterfield and they initiated a mass brawl near the clock tower.
A van-load of Skeggy's finest turned up and snatched three or four fighters at random from the crowd and took them back to Skeg station. Practical policing, as it stopped the brawl. We followed to find out what was happening to the people missing.
The good old days, when prisoners fell down prison steps, and the police kept their hands off innocent women.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
yes, one of the Brexit bonuses is the freedom to let the water companies off load sewage all over our beaches far more frequently.
That’s not what I asked though. Are they worse (measured, not asserted) in terms of pollution? I don’t imagine that the water companies actively try to pollute the beaches. Most issues seem to be excess rainfall causing problems.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
Starmer is fed his lines by his analysts and strategists, Mandelson chief amongst them.
Then, he parrots them.
It might be a good idea to humiliate Starmer with some of the parody comedy put downs well used on here in the eighteen months from April 2020. Marquee Mark has a comprehensive list, and some of them were actually quite funny. Although "Brittas" didn't really work for me.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
Starmer is fed his lines by his analysts and strategists, Mandelson chief amongst them.
Then, he parrots them.
It might be a good idea to humiliate Starmer with some of the parody comedy put downs well used on here in the eighteen months from April 2020. Marquee Mark has a comprehensive list, and some of them were actually quite funny. Although "Brittas" didn't really work for me.
Has the word queer been totally owned by the gays now?
I think Queer Keir has quite a ring to it
Sir Keir is so queer
And I mean odd, not gay (though he's probably having a gay old time at the moment!)
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
It was telling that he went to Kent and didn’t meet Labour’s ONLY MP in Kent - Rosie Duffield - she’s been consistent in standing up for women’s rights.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
That's a fairly unconvincing way of saying don't blame us for ballsing up Brexit.
Brexit....Brexit...Brexit....Brexit....
Address the argument for once.
Ok please can we go back to having a government that can manage things like international travel, ambulances arriving at hospitals, fixing our roads, employing enough nurses and building enough houses?
Ambulance waits seems to have dropped off the news. Sorted? Or now routine?
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
yes, one of the Brexit bonuses is the freedom to let the water companies off load sewage all over our beaches far more frequently.
That’s not what I asked though. Are they worse (measured, not asserted) in terms of pollution? I don’t imagine that the water companies actively try to pollute the beaches. Most issues seem to be excess rainfall causing problems.
The figure is an increase of 2,553% over five years, according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data, released under the Freedom of Information Act.
Between 2016 and 2021 water companies discharged sewage into waterways and the sea for a total of 9,427,355 hours, the equivalent of 1,076 years.
It comes as the EA issued warnings to holidaymakers to avoid dozens of beaches across England and Wales this week...
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It would appear they are. The Water companies are using the contingency of pumping untreated and partially treated sewerage to surface water during periods of storm to any old time of their choosing. They are being fined and prosecuted by the EA, but the sanction is less than the saving, so happy days for them.
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
I look forward to more comments from PB posters who report on their extensive and frequent global travel along the lines of "what's wrong with staying in the UK for your holidays?".
The scraps at Papa's Fish & Chips, Blackpool are to DIE for! (this may be open to interpretation)
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
Starmer is fed his lines by his analysts and strategists, Mandelson chief amongst them.
Then, he parrots them.
It might be a good idea to humiliate Starmer with some of the parody comedy put downs well used on here in the eighteen months from April 2020. Marquee Mark has a comprehensive list, and some of them were actually quite funny. Although "Brittas" didn't really work for me.
Has the word queer been totally owned by the gays now?
I think Queer Keir has quite a ring to it
Sir Keir is so queer
And I mean odd, not gay (though he's probably having a gay old time at the moment!)
I think from a litigious standpoint I would prefer "peculiar".
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Nothing.
Except when it is John Redwood trolling people for daing to try and holiday abroad from the Brexit Britain circumstances he created.
Then it is "just go and dtop dead in a sewage filled pit" level arseholery.
There are lots of great reasons to have a holiday in Britain (or Ireland), but, "avoiding godawful queues for entering France," shouldn't be one of them. Using Dover should be a relatively normal and trouble-free experience, and then people can freely choose to holiday in Britain without being coerced by a bureaucratic border nightmare to do so.
What's so wrong with Redwood that he hates freedom?
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Trans women are women .
Men who identify as women are not women, they’re men.
And as for “gloriously socially progresssive Scotland” leading the charge:
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It would appear they are. The Water companies are using the contingency of pumping untreated and partially treated sewerage to surface water during periods of storm to any old time of their choosing. They are being fined and prosecuted by the EA, but the sanction is less than the saving, so happy days for them.
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
The problem is a long term one, more a result of lack of lack of long term planning and investment by the water companies, then it is a matter of short term choice.
Given the privatised structure, and the need for local authority resources for managing possible solutions, it's something that can't be left to individual (usually foreign owned) companies.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
yes, one of the Brexit bonuses is the freedom to let the water companies off load sewage all over our beaches far more frequently.
That’s not what I asked though. Are they worse (measured, not asserted) in terms of pollution? I don’t imagine that the water companies actively try to pollute the beaches. Most issues seem to be excess rainfall causing problems.
I believe they are, and yes Non-Remainerdom is one of the issues, as opposed to climate change.
I look forward to more comments from PB posters who report on their extensive and frequent global travel along the lines of "what's wrong with staying in the UK for your holidays?".
The scraps at Papa's Fish & Chips, Blackpool are to DIE for! (this may be open to interpretation)
Scraps and pea wet with a dash of salt and loads of vinegar is one of this nation's culinary delights.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
Starmer is fed his lines by his analysts and strategists, Mandelson chief amongst them.
Then, he parrots them.
It might be a good idea to humiliate Starmer with some of the parody comedy put downs well used on here in the eighteen months from April 2020. Marquee Mark has a comprehensive list, and some of them were actually quite funny. Although "Brittas" didn't really work for me.
Has the word queer been totally owned by the gays now?
I think Queer Keir has quite a ring to it
Sir Keir is so queer
And I mean odd, not gay (though he's probably having a gay old time at the moment!)
I think from a litigious standpoint I would prefer "peculiar".
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Trans women are women .
Men who identify as women are not women, they’re men.
And as for “gloriously socially progresssive Scotland” leading the charge:
Great to see your bouncing back from your going off half cocked(!) 'the Nashville shooting is an example of male violence' debacle.
I look forward to more comments from PB posters who report on their extensive and frequent global travel along the lines of "what's wrong with staying in the UK for your holidays?".
The scraps at Papa's Fish & Chips, Blackpool are to DIE for! (this may be open to interpretation)
Scraps and pea wet with a dash of salt and loads of vinegar is one of this nation's culinary delights.
Deliveroo is currently waiting at the fish and chip shop for my lunch but I've no idea what northern delicacies you're all on about. Scraps and pea wet?
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
My personal view on this was thinking, what's Starmer doing going on about 99.9% of women don't have penises, then deciding I can't be bothered to find out, then being mildly irritated that he doesn't stick to things that are real, like cost of living and collapsing healthcare.
I make that (subject to rounding error) 30,000 women with penises (or should that be penes?). Remember than Keir Starmer is a lawyer by training, and they are trained to express no more and no less than what they mean. Of course that makes them fair game for others less scrupulous, and perhaps lawyers turned politicians should beware of people's unscrupulousness.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
It was telling that he went to Kent and didn’t meet Labour’s ONLY MP in Kent - Rosie Duffield - she’s been consistent in standing up for women’s rights.
Rosie Duffield in Kent?
Unless they’ve moved Canterbury, yes.
From what I'd heard, which admittedly could be wrong, they'd need to move Canterbury a fair old way to find its MP.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It would appear they are. The Water companies are using the contingency of pumping untreated and partially treated sewerage to surface water during periods of storm to any old time of their choosing. They are being fined and prosecuted by the EA, but the sanction is less than the saving, so happy days for them.
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
The problem is a long term one, more a result of lack of lack of long term planning and investment by the water companies, then it is a matter of short term choice.
Given the privatised structure, and the need for local authority resources for managing possible solutions, it's something that can't be left to individual (usually foreign owned) companies.
Not something government has much concerned itself with for the last decade.
Some of the PB fiscal hawks could explain that Water Companies being banned from pumping sh1t into water courses is bad for profitability, shareholders and pension fund dividends.
We need to end this idea that Boomers are reactionary bigots and Gen Z'ers naturally more progressive, perceptive and enlightened. For example, this astonishingly high number who are counter-reacting through Andrew Tate:
"A 2023 survey conducted by Hope not Hate found that eight in ten British boys aged 16-17 had consumed Tate's content and that 45% of British men aged 16–24 had a positive view of him, compared to only 1% of British women aged 16-17 who held a positive view of Tate."
Young people are simply impressionable and subject to the fashions of their peer group. That can include Ultra-Wokery or rampant misogyny.
What it doesn't give them is some unique claim to truth and enlightenment that no other generation shares.
What they should be taught is how to think for themselves.
The assumption that people are innately in favour of liberal social democracy is a strange one.
To me, it seems clear that teaching such social values is required.
I am very pleased to see that neither of my children agree with me on many things - because of reasoned argument from such values. I think their conclusions wrong, but they are choosing their own positions within the liberal river of thought.
‘..more than £6.4 million has been paid by the Scottish government to organisations that have criticised the UK government’s decision to block the bill’
A bill 51% of Scots think should be dropped…..”right side of history” or no…
Spock really has made an idiot of himself with this, and I doubt his fellow Leavers are too enamoured with him either. At least attempt to keep the Borisite go-getting, outward-looking-Britain dream alive. If Brexit means wet weekends in Bognor Regis and making our own hobnail boots again. then everyone will be flooding to Rejoin in a jiffy. People like Redwood in the ruling elites, with their in a fancy apartments off the Boulevard St. Michel, really don't understand how the nation ticks.
Eventually it might speed things up, but rolling it out is likely to make things worse for some time.
This will speed things up at airports, since no flicking through passports to stamp them. - and more countries will choose to let us use the electronic gates.
But at dover, it might not help much - you can electronically check 4 or 5 people in a car through the windows, but coach passengers may still need to disembark.
It keeps getting delayed presumably because it has to be deployed everywhere - every little port on every little greek island needs the equipment, otherwise you can't move away from stamps at all. Has to be all or nothing.
Indeed there are. Unfortunately they are shedloads more expensive both to stay in and get to. How about addressing that?
Brits spent 341 million nights abroad according to the ONS. The UK has about 1m hotel rooms. Do the maths in that supposedly gigantic brain....
1m * 365 = 365million nights.
What do I get?
A massive price increase, nearly all the existing UK domestic hotel occupants turfed out and everyone having to be allocated holiday dates rather than choosing them?
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
Indeed there are. Unfortunately they are shedloads more expensive both to stay in and get to. How about addressing that?
Brits spent 341 million nights abroad according to the ONS. The UK has about 1m hotel rooms. Do the maths in that supposedly gigantic brain....
1m * 365 = 365million nights.
What do I get?
A massive price increase, nearly all the existing UK domestic hotel occupants turfed out and everyone having to be allocated holiday dates rather than choosing them?
Anybody who has decided to go to France over Devon today has made a seriously bad call.
Exquisite spring day out here in the South Hams today.
It’s 7C and grey here in London. It’s like January. It’s April 2
What a fucking dismal spring so far. Wettest march since records began…
Yes, if we get the water companies attempting to ration water this summer it's clear that they all need to be bankrupted and renationalised as if it wasn't already.
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
If you’re holidaying in the UK, flying in from NYC, why on earth would “queues at Dover” be an issue?
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
If you’re holidaying in the UK, flying in from NYC, why on earth would “queues at Dover” be an issue?
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
Because, coming from the US, it makes sense to continue a holiday into continental Europe.
But it seems like it would be easier to just fly in and out of CDG or Schiphol and give the UK a wide berth.
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
If you’re holidaying in the UK, flying in from NYC, why on earth would “queues at Dover” be an issue?
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
It's actually the result of financial engineering within the UK water industry. Since privatisation they've taken on ~£50bn in debt and paid out ~£60bn in shareholder dividends. Investment has been hollowed out to keep the owners rich. The regulator has been asleep at the wheel and everyone needs to be sacked yesterday with a new team that will force losses onto the water companies if they don't invest until they go bankrupt.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It would appear they are. The Water companies are using the contingency of pumping untreated and partially treated sewerage to surface water during periods of storm to any old time of their choosing. They are being fined and prosecuted by the EA, but the sanction is less than the saving, so happy days for them.
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
Part of the problem has been an attempt to prevent any kind of development. Try expanding a sewage farm and see what reception you get.
The antis in West London are *still* fighting the Thames Super Sewer which was designed to deal with this issue. Which is just about coming into operation…
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
If you’re holidaying in the UK, flying in from NYC, why on earth would “queues at Dover” be an issue?
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
Because, coming from the US, it makes sense to continue a holiday into continental Europe.
But it seems like it would be easier to just fly in and out of CDG or Schiphol and give the UK a wide berth.
As this is on topic: a TRAVEL TIP. I’ve been commissioned to go to Siwa, Egypt so I’ve been doing a spot of research
It’s been a while since I was last there and without my noticing the Egyptian £ has completely collapsed. It fell heavily from 2015 on but in the last year this has accelerated greatly: it has halved in value. From E£20 to the £ to E£40
This is reflected in Egyptian prices - from hotels to meals to dodgy domestic Stella beer
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It would appear they are. The Water companies are using the contingency of pumping untreated and partially treated sewerage to surface water during periods of storm to any old time of their choosing. They are being fined and prosecuted by the EA, but the sanction is less than the saving, so happy days for them.
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
Part of the problem has been an attempt to prevent any kind of development. Try expanding a sewage farm and see what reception you get.
The antis in West London are *still* fighting the Thames Super Sewer which was designed to deal with this issue. Which is just about coming into operation…
See also Heathrow’s third runway, lab infrastructure in Oxfordshire, and basically any housing development anywhere.
Spock really has made an idiot of himself with this, and I doubt his fellow Leavers are too enamoured with him either. At least attempt to keep the Borisite go-getting, outward-looking-Britain dream alive. If Brexit means wet weekends in Bognor Regis and making our own hobnail boots again. then everyone will be flooding to Rejoin in a jiffy. People like Redwood in the ruling elites, with their in a fancy apartments off the Boulevard St. Michel, really don't understand how the nation ticks.
Several things going on here, I reckon.
One is the nature of elite Brexit backers, those for whom Europe is simply too small a stage. If your international travel happens through first class lounges, you're liable to underestimate the benefits of getting rid of border controls.
The next is that, either side of 2016, there was and is a sense that Brexit wasn't really going to work like this. There'd be some sort of fudge, an under-the-counter deal, some kind of Alumni Dining Rights. Hence the blaming of Europe, May and Unrepentant Remoaners for forcing us into this corner. Whereas really it's a case study in how getting exactly what you want often ends badly.
And finally, there's the Hyacinth Bucket problem. The response to French indolence at the borders is to write a stuff letter threatening to take our custom elsewhere. See also German Car Makers and Italian Prosecco producers. Every time the UK has made that posture, it's been met by a shrug. One would hope we had noticed the pattern by now.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It would appear they are. The Water companies are using the contingency of pumping untreated and partially treated sewerage to surface water during periods of storm to any old time of their choosing. They are being fined and prosecuted by the EA, but the sanction is less than the saving, so happy days for them.
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
Part of the problem has been an attempt to prevent any kind of development. Try expanding a sewage farm and see what reception you get.
The antis in West London are *still* fighting the Thames Super Sewer which was designed to deal with this issue. Which is just about coming into operation…
See also Heathrow’s third runway, lab infrastructure in Oxfordshire, and basically any housing development anywhere.
Nuclear power, tidal barrages, onshore wind turbines and until fairly recently fibre broadband and 4G/5G mobile masts.
The UK is the home of the world's worst curtain twitching nimbys. No government will ever face them down.
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
If you’re holidaying in the UK, flying in from NYC, why on earth would “queues at Dover” be an issue?
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
Because, coming from the US, it makes sense to continue a holiday into continental Europe.
But it seems like it would be easier to just fly in and out of CDG or Schiphol and give the UK a wide berth.
Flying in and out of CDG, good luck!
Yeah, couldn't have picked 2 worse examples for European airports. Especially Schip-hole.
Anybody who has decided to go to France over Devon today has made a seriously bad call.
Exquisite spring day out here in the South Hams today.
It’s 7C and grey here in London. It’s like January. It’s April 2
What a fucking dismal spring so far. Wettest march since records began…
It will also get worse from climate change. While the world will get warmer and wetter overall, a small island in the far north is mainly going to be affected by the wetter part of that, given it is surrounded by water. We will get heat waves but the main local effect will be lots of rain, causing local mild coldness.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Someone on that twitter feed gave you the answer. Our beaches are now open sewers. And for anyone who counters by claiming the French and Spanish are dirtier polluters, I would parry by claiming at least the sun will be shining more frequently.
Are U.K. beaches worse than 5 years ago? Or is something else going on here?
It would appear they are. The Water companies are using the contingency of pumping untreated and partially treated sewerage to surface water during periods of storm to any old time of their choosing. They are being fined and prosecuted by the EA, but the sanction is less than the saving, so happy days for them.
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
Part of the problem has been an attempt to prevent any kind of development. Try expanding a sewage farm and see what reception you get.
The antis in West London are *still* fighting the Thames Super Sewer which was designed to deal with this issue. Which is just about coming into operation…
See also Heathrow’s third runway, lab infrastructure in Oxfordshire, and basically any housing development anywhere.
Nuclear power, tidal barrages, onshore wind turbines and until fairly recently fibre broadband and 4G/5G mobile masts.
The UK is the home of the world's worst curtain twitching nimbys. No government will ever face them down.
Again, driven by the fact high population density means everywhere in the UK has a lot of people near any potential development.
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
If you’re holidaying in the UK, flying in from NYC, why on earth would “queues at Dover” be an issue?
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
Because, coming from the US, it makes sense to continue a holiday into continental Europe.
But it seems like it would be easier to just fly in and out of CDG or Schiphol and give the UK a wide berth.
I’d be really quite surprised if you flew into the UK then suddenly decided to buy a right hand drive car which you could awkwardly take to France where you need a left hand drive car. From what I know of your background I’d be equally surprised if you flew into london then suddenly decided to go on an all inclusive coach trip to Le Havre
You wanted to rant about shitty brexity britain, and you did it slightly incoherently. C’est tout
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
There are some wonderful places in the UK. The problem is the weather - it’s shit! Gloomy and 11C is not pleasant.
Bring on global warming. We can enjoy the vineyards on the Severn and forsake the deserts of southern France.
I used to holiday inside the UK a lot. But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year. Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
If you’re holidaying in the UK, flying in from NYC, why on earth would “queues at Dover” be an issue?
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
Because, coming from the US, it makes sense to continue a holiday into continental Europe.
But it seems like it would be easier to just fly in and out of CDG or Schiphol and give the UK a wide berth.
Flying in and out of CDG, good luck!
Yeah, couldn't have picked 2 worse examples for European airports. Especially Schip-hole.
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Try again.
Exquisite spring day out here in the South Hams today.
But I am an East Midlands lad whose grandfather was a miner, so I have memories of the place,
My finest footballing memory is on the beach at Skeggy - the most beautifully curled corner onto my mates head for a Goal of the Month.
"A 2023 survey conducted by Hope not Hate found that eight in ten British boys aged 16-17 had consumed Tate's content and that 45% of British men aged 16–24 had a positive view of him, compared to only 1% of British women aged 16-17 who held a positive view of Tate."
Young people are simply impressionable and subject to the fashions of their peer group. That can include Ultra-Wokery or rampant misogyny.
What it doesn't give them is some unique claim to truth and enlightenment that no other generation shares.
What they should be taught is how to think for themselves.
Address the argument for once.
Somehow it's all a big mistake by Starmer.
Just bizarre.
If the ERG are not the same force that they once were, maybe Sunak will have the confidence to fire her.
Your side of it seems to be that holidaymakers just have themselves to blame.
You got the Brexit you wanted; your party has run the country for the last decade - and you're still trying to shift the blame for problems which weren't problems before.
Let's end these simple labels please. No generation of humanity is superior to another.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/01/staff-can-sue-their-boss-customers-offend-them-law/
Getting a lot busier than it used to be, but just right for Jeremy's mates.
https://www.visitlincolnshire.com/things-to-do/anderby-creek/
Then, he parrots them.
Sadly, I'm not joking.
I might try to go to Le Comptoir des Johnnies when I'm in Saint-Pol-de-Leon
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g660194-d2249283-Reviews-Le_Comptoir_des_Johnnies-Saint_Pol_de_Leon_Finistere_Brittany.html
I'm just not very interested.
This is what it boils down to, and it's pretty clear which message smells more of bullshit.
Suella Braverman denies Brexit to blame for Dover queues of 14 hours
Home secretary points to ‘particular combination of factors’, but Labour says ministers need to ‘start doing their actual job’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/02/suella-braverman-denies-brexit-to-blame-for-dover-queues-of-14-hours
"Labour is mean about Skegness" is pathetic stuff.
Except when it is John Redwood trolling people for daing to try and holiday abroad from the Brexit Britain circumstances he created.
Then it is "just go and dtop dead in a sewage filled pit" level arseholery.
When I arrived in Cardiff in 1986, Penclawdd (Gower) cockle sellers would tour the pubs with shellfish snacks. I haven't seen it for years, but then I no longer frequent Cardiff pubs. It was nonetheless a lovely little foible from living in Wales.
[1] Pick your favourites from rank incompetance, refusal to step outside ideological constraints & in some cases genuinely wicked problems that are not soluable in the short term.
The direction of the SNP going forward.
"I found Skeggy a bit lairy"
In the early 70s, the local Boston pub ran a coach to Skeg for an evening of conviviable drinking. At closing-time, we encountered a bus-load from Chesterfield and they initiated a mass brawl near the clock tower.
A van-load of Skeggy's finest turned up and snatched three or four fighters at random from the crowd and took them back to Skeg station. Practical policing, as it stopped the brawl. We followed to find out what was happening to the people missing.
The good old days, when prisoners fell down prison steps, and the police kept their hands off innocent women.
EU biometric border system faces more delays
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64311737.amp
Eventually it might speed things up, but rolling it out is likely to make things worse for some time.
I think Queer Keir has quite a ring to it
Sir Keir is so queer
And I mean odd, not gay (though he's probably having a gay old time at the moment!)
Everything else is still awful unfortunately.
https://news.sky.com/story/huge-increase-in-raw-sewage-released-into-uk-waterways-and-sea-data-reveals-12677730
...Water companies have pumped raw sewage into Britain's seas and rivers for more than nine million hours since 2016, new data suggests.
The figure is an increase of 2,553% over five years, according to the Labour Party's analysis of Environment Agency (EA) data, released under the Freedom of Information Act.
Between 2016 and 2021 water companies discharged sewage into waterways and the sea for a total of 9,427,355 hours, the equivalent of 1,076 years.
It comes as the EA issued warnings to holidaymakers to avoid dozens of beaches across England and Wales this week...
There is something you can do to help; install a "leaky" water butt, and filter your storm water to ground more slowly to prevent the sewerage system being overwhelmed during periods of heavy rain.
(this may be open to interpretation)
Katie Forbes is their Rishi Sunak
What's so wrong with Redwood that he hates freedom?
And as for “gloriously socially progresssive Scotland” leading the charge:
Given the privatised structure, and the need for local authority resources for managing possible solutions, it's something that can't be left to individual (usually foreign owned) companies.
There's quite a good analysis from a couple of years back, here:
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/19/sewage-island-how-britain-spews-untreated-waste-rivers-sea
Not something government has much concerned itself with for the last decade.
Unfortunately they are shedloads more expensive both to stay in and get to.
How about addressing that?
To me, it seems clear that teaching such social values is required.
I am very pleased to see that neither of my children agree with me on many things - because of reasoned argument from such values. I think their conclusions wrong, but they are choosing their own positions within the liberal river of thought.
A bill 51% of Scots think should be dropped…..”right side of history” or no…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pressure-on-humza-yousaf-to-drop-gender-recognition-reform-bill-mjsfg5d2k
But at dover, it might not help much - you can electronically check 4 or 5 people in a car through the windows, but coach passengers may still need to disembark.
It keeps getting delayed presumably because it has to be deployed everywhere - every little port on every little greek island needs the equipment, otherwise you can't move away from stamps at all. Has to be all or nothing.
What do I get?
What a fucking dismal spring so far. Wettest march since records began…
But let’s face it, it’s expensive and once you get there you’ve got queues at Dover and beaches polluted with shit.
I think I’ll give it a miss for another year.
Wake me up when the country decides to return to first world status.
I worked for thirteen hours; ten of them outdoors
As for the shit on the beaches, yes it’s a disgrace but one of the causes is mass immigration - if you add 10m people and don’t add the infrastructure things will overflow. Brexit was an attempt by many of the British people - a failed attempt - to stop mass immigration
But it seems like it would be easier to just fly in and out of CDG or Schiphol and give the UK a wide berth.
The antis in West London are *still* fighting the Thames Super Sewer which was designed to deal with this issue. Which is just about coming into operation…
It’s been a while since I was last there and without my noticing the Egyptian £ has completely collapsed. It fell heavily from 2015 on but in the last year this has accelerated greatly: it has halved in value. From E£20 to the £ to E£40
This is reflected in Egyptian prices - from hotels to meals to dodgy domestic Stella beer
If you desperately need sun, think about Egypt
One is the nature of elite Brexit backers, those for whom Europe is simply too small a stage. If your international travel happens through first class lounges, you're liable to underestimate the benefits of getting rid of border controls.
The next is that, either side of 2016, there was and is a sense that Brexit wasn't really going to work like this. There'd be some sort of fudge, an under-the-counter deal, some kind of Alumni Dining Rights. Hence the blaming of Europe, May and Unrepentant Remoaners for forcing us into this corner. Whereas really it's a case study in how getting exactly what you want often ends badly.
And finally, there's the Hyacinth Bucket problem. The response to French indolence at the borders is to write a stuff letter threatening to take our custom elsewhere. See also German Car Makers and Italian Prosecco producers. Every time the UK has made that posture, it's been met by a shrug. One would hope we had noticed the pattern by now.
The UK is the home of the world's worst curtain twitching nimbys. No government will ever face them down.
You wanted to rant about shitty brexity britain, and you did it slightly incoherently. C’est tout
https://www.three-choirs-vineyards.co.uk/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300842055/like-a-mob-travellers-complain-of-feral-crowds-at-new-zealand-airports
My experience at AKL in November was noticeably worse than pre-covid.