Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Yes totally wrong footed.
Now we need to know is Mrs Starmer one of the 0,1% ?
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Not sure it will be good for the tories for ever more people to experience our sewage filled beaches.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
There are indeed, excellent places to go on holiday in the UK.
The feedback on the home counties campaign trail so far is certainly unnerving Tory MPs. Although some doors are no longer slammed in their faces, as they were under Boris Johnson, in many places lifelong Conservatives have a weary resignation that they are about to jump ship.
One mortgage-squeezed resident in Kent said that they’d “never been as angry” as when they’d read a report that Liz Truss intended to give peerages to those who served in her calamitous 49-day reign.
Even in leafy Sevenoaks, one Tory councillor is so worried they have embarked on an unprecedented “chicken run” from a usually solid Tory ward to stand in an area that they feel is even more safe.
As I posted yesterday the only safe Tory wards at the moment are in rural wards, which is where if there is a chicken run incumbents will be trying to move to.
Much as for Labour the only safe areas in 2019 were in the inner cities or some university towns
In at least one borough council ward here, a RefUK candidate has turned up and is distributing leaflets - it'll be interesting see (on Tuesday when all candidacies are published) if there are any more, and how they get on. We have one Borough Councillor who defected from the Tories to independent, IIRC because she objected to the removal of Liz Truss. Not sure if she's standing for re-election.
She may not have received as much support as she'd anticipted...
Although there will be one poster on here delighted with that stand!
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
There are indeed, excellent places to go on holiday in the UK.
Yes there are. So people should just stay here? Grant them rationed permits to travel perhaps.
It’s like a parody of how right wingers interpret 15 minute cities.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it’s pretty patronising.
As opposed to be seen as thick, white racists Gammons which is the way a lot of Labour party members seem to view such voters?
You don't vote for someone who despises you, in fact you vote for their opponent even if it is not in your best interests.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
So, just checked in on Twitter. None of the Dover delay noise is coming from Labour politicians.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Yes totally wrong footed.
Now we need to know is Mrs Starmer one of the 0,1% ?
"Hello Kier, close your eyes and turn around. I've got a big surprise for you..."
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
So, just checked in on Twitter. None of the Dover delay noise is coming from Labour politicians.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Whereas the Tories love the country so much that they decided to inflict the entirely unnecessary self-inflicted harm of Brexit upon it.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
It was telling that he went to Kent and didn’t meet Labour’s ONLY MP in Kent - Rosie Duffield - she’s been consistent in standing up for women’s rights.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Or alternatively, whether out of choice or affordability (British holiday accommodation is extremely expensive compared with France), millions of people go abroad and don’t like being told not to, so government should be a bit wary with these attacks.
I enjoyed the replies to Redwood. Very notable theme in there, which was sewage. Lib Dems have been hitting this hard in recent months. I think it could be a media theme of the summer this year.
It's been said before but be wary of seeing Twitter as Vox Populi. It is very much a niche, middle class urban pursuit. Twitter usage in the media industry for example is 5-6x the general population.
ASHFORD: Damian Green had been selected as Conservative candidate for the revised Ashford seat, having failed in his earlier attempt to move to the new Weald of Kent constituency.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it’s pretty patronising.
As opposed to be seen as thick, white racists Gammons which is the way a lot of Labour party members seem to view such voters?
You don't vote for someone who despises you, in fact you vote for their opponent even if it is not in your best interests.
We’re constructing big fat straw men here.
1. Labour politicians are notably quiet on Dover (because they’re cowards on anything Brexit related). If you want to criticise people who dare to have the aspiration to actually cross a border and then complain about it then go after the FBPEs 2. The cloth cap wearing lard eating gammon / salt of the earth family with ripe views on foreigners is a very small demographic and largely a figment of the imagination of both Tory strategists and metropolitan lefties.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
Most people I know do both, and wouldn’t be very happy to be forced to choose.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
It was telling that he went to Kent and didn’t meet Labour’s ONLY MP in Kent - Rosie Duffield - she’s been consistent in standing up for women’s rights.
Yes but if Keir has a penis, how do we know he's not Labour's first female leader ?
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
So, just checked in on Twitter. None of the Dover delay noise is coming from Labour politicians.
Of course not.
They fly.
I see it’s Labour = too aspirational day.
Tomorrow it’ll be Labour lack aspiration.
Then we’ll be back to Labour too aspirational again, depending purely on how the story of the day reflects on the Tories
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Or alternatively, whether out of choice or affordability (British holiday accommodation is extremely expensive compared with France), millions of people go abroad and don’t like being told not to, so government should be a bit wary with these attacks.
I enjoyed the replies to Redwood. Very notable theme in there, which was sewage. Lib Dems have been hitting this hard in recent months. I think it could be a media theme of the summer this year.
It's been said before but be wary of seeing Twitter as Vox Populi. It is very much a niche, middle class urban pursuit. Twitter usage in the media industry for example is 5-6x the general population.
I said I think it could be a media theme of the summer this year.
Media theme.
Twitter is a useful reflection of what journalists are thinking and reading,
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
So, just checked in on Twitter. None of the Dover delay noise is coming from Labour politicians.
Of course not.
They fly.
I see it’s Labour = too aspirational day.
Tomorrow it’ll be Labour lack aspiration.
Then we’ll be back to Labour too aspirational again, depending purely on how the story of the day reflects on the Tories
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Whereas the Tories love the country so much that they decided to inflict the entirely unnecessary self-inflicted harm of Brexit upon it.
Interesting that you conflate "the Tories" with "the voters".
Boris got 13.9m votes in 2019. Imagine if all those 17.4m who voted for Brexit had done the same then....
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
Which of the three categories do you consider yourself to be in, @Foxy?
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
Most people I know do both, and wouldn’t be very happy to be forced to choose.
Sure. Domestic holidays are often in addition to foreign ones, not in place of.
I should add: people with dogs often holiday domestically too.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
Most people I know do both, and wouldn’t be very happy to be forced to choose.
Kind of know the government has no answers to the actual problem: more bureaucracy at the ports because every passport needs stamping + insufficient capacity to do said stamping because the government refuses to invest meaningfully into the border infrastructure….when their answer is “just stay at home”.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
But they have to get some use out of those second homes....
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
Most people I know do both, and wouldn’t be very happy to be forced to choose.
Sure. Domestic holidays are often in addition to foreign ones, not in place of.
I should add: people with dogs often holiday domestically too.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Whereas the Tories love the country so much that they decided to inflict the entirely unnecessary self-inflicted harm of Brexit upon it.
Interesting that you conflate "the Tories" with "the voters".
Boris got 13.9m votes in 2019. Imagine if all those 17.4m who voted for Brexit had done the same then....
The series of deliberate choices about the nature of the exit and what that would mean for short term travel, plus the decision not to spend what was needed to upgrade border facilities at Dover, were both under the 100% ownership on the current government not the people of Britain.
WRT Red Wall constituencies, most are fairly prosperous, with lots of new housing. They are mostly not depressed areas.
Corbyn simply nudged the inhabitants into realising they had more in common with the Conservatives than with Labour, but many of these seats had been trending Conservative since 2001.
Come the next election, I’d expect Aaron Bell to hold his seat.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
Which of the three categories do you consider yourself to be in, @Foxy?
WRT Red Wall constituencies, most are fairly prosperous, with lots of new housing. They are mostly not depressed areas.
Corbyn simply nudged the inhabitants into realising they had more in common with the Conservatives than with Labour, but many of these seats had been trending Conservative since 2001.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
I have just has a week on the IOW in a Lodge in Freshwater. It's a case of necessity when you have a very aged father in law living with you for whom steps are pretty much a no no Take your wine with you if it suits your purpose. We found it 20pc more expensive on the Island. If you haven't been..... The Military Road is the best road that runs up the west side of the Island and has lovely sea views.
WRT Red Wall constituencies, most are fairly prosperous, with lots of new housing. They are mostly not depressed areas.
Corbyn simply nudged the inhabitants into realising they had more in common with the Conservatives than with Labour, but many of these seats had been trending Conservative since 2001.
True, but it might not stick.
Mostly, I expect they will, the same way seats like NW Leics. or Tamworth were once marginal, but now solidly Conservative.
WRT Red Wall constituencies, most are fairly prosperous, with lots of new housing. They are mostly not depressed areas.
Corbyn simply nudged the inhabitants into realising they had more in common with the Conservatives than with Labour, but many of these seats had been trending Conservative since 2001.
This was interesting from the Observer today, in a rather patronising piece on "Stevenage Woman"
"But the new report says that voters with the characteristics of Workington Man – mainly older male, economically insecure and overwhelmingly pro-Brexit voters – have already abandoned the Tories.
While 49% voted for Boris Johnson in 2019, the analysts say this has collapsed to 15%. On this trajectory, the report says: “If the support Labour currently receives from this group were mirrored on election day, Labour would win back every one of its 30 lost red wall seats.”"
I look forward to more comments from PB posters who report on their extensive and frequent global travel along the lines of "what's wrong with staying in the UK for your holidays?".
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
I have just has a week on the IOW in a Lodge in Freshwater. It's a case of necessity when you have a very aged father in law living with you for whom steps are pretty much a no no Take your wine with you if it suits your purpose. We found it 20pc more expensive on the Island. If you haven't been..... The Military Road is the best road that runs up the west side of the Island and has lovely sea views.
Yes, I love the Island, and have been going several times a year for 30 years. Mrs Foxy has lots of family there, though alas is now an orphan.
Excuse my ignorance but what criminal charge has Trump been charged with? He had sexual relations with Stormy Daniels which he denies. It doesn't seem to be rape, even if it's bad taste on her part. She attempted ro sell the story but had no takers, and he supposedly paid her hush-money.
Who loses? A victimless crime. He deserves to lose the money for his studidity, and as far as I can see, no blackmail was involved, so she's committed no crime.
The whole thing may be a crime against morality, but greed and adultery haven't been criminalised. Nor has political incompetence.
We don't know for sure what the charges are: Having sex with a porn star is legal in the US, as is paying her not to talk about it. They're thought to include campaign finance violations (because he allegedly disguised the payment as a company legal expense) and tax evasion (for related reasons). John Edwards was prosecuted for similar reasons, but was found not guilty of most of the charges, IIUC because the prosecution couldn't prove he made the payoffs for political reasons rather than just as to protect his personal reputation.
We should get to see the indictment on Tuesday US time, when he's formally charged. Until we do be skeptical of people who claim to know whether the case is strong or weak.
The other thing to bear in mind is that multiple inditements aren’t necessarily a sign of a strong case - DAs sometimes pile them on to encourage a plea bargain to avoid defending on multiple fronts and encourage a concession on a minor charge. Much as it’s pretty useless thank goodness for the CPS.
Not the Scottish version, though they do pile on the pointless charges, ie on Salmond they had a sexual charge against him for opening a bottle of sparkling water, how did that ever reach court. They make their money very easily.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
More Ed Balls and Ann Widdecombe. Not together I should add. Nor should anyone investigate what they may look like together on certain types of AI.......
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, it's a poor tweet in the sense that telling people they can holiday in the UK is not a solution to the problem of the delays, anymore than telling people they can shop online rather than pay parking charges, since however true people wanted to do the former, but it came across as over dramatic for a start. Like how it may be annoying and unnecessary to have to be in a slower passport queue, but still not as harrowing as people make it seem.
Stuck in a bus in a queue for a day + seems exceedingly harrowing to me.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Labour aren’t commenting on this much if at all as far as I can see. It’s the rest of the country. Labour dare not mention the B word because they’re so frit of reopening the debate.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
In my experience there are three main groups of people who holiday domestically. Those to old or frail to travel with insurance, those too poor to, and the rich. I am off to the Isle of Wight for Easter, and will see all three on the ferry.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
One interesting aspect of Cornwall that is not mentioned in middle class need is the large caravan parks - often, effectively fixed caravan homes. People have been holidaying there long before it got fashionable.
WRT Red Wall constituencies, most are fairly prosperous, with lots of new housing. They are mostly not depressed areas.
Corbyn simply nudged the inhabitants into realising they had more in common with the Conservatives than with Labour, but many of these seats had been trending Conservative since 2001.
This was interesting from the Observer today, in a rather patronising piece on "Stevenage Woman"
"But the new report says that voters with the characteristics of Workington Man – mainly older male, economically insecure and overwhelmingly pro-Brexit voters – have already abandoned the Tories.
While 49% voted for Boris Johnson in 2019, the analysts say this has collapsed to 15%. On this trajectory, the report says: “If the support Labour currently receives from this group were mirrored on election day, Labour would win back every one of its 30 lost red wall seats.”"
But it won’t be mirrored on election day, because that’s when many people decide to stick with the devil they know. I think too, the article misses my point that quite a lot of Red Wall voters have done pretty well for themselves.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Whereas the Tories love the country so much that they decided to inflict the entirely unnecessary self-inflicted harm of Brexit upon it.
Interesting that you conflate "the Tories" with "the voters".
Boris got 13.9m votes in 2019. Imagine if all those 17.4m who voted for Brexit had done the same then....
And interesting that you don’t dispute it’s been harmful.
ASHFORD: Damian Green had been selected as Conservative candidate for the revised Ashford seat, having failed in his earlier attempt to move to the new Weald of Kent constituency.
Interesting demographic in that picture - 20 out of 21 are male. In general I think these "group of activists posing in a room" pictures (which all parties do all the time) don't work - it makes us look divorced from everyday life.
I look forward to more comments from PB posters who report on their extensive and frequent global travel along the lines of "what's wrong with staying in the UK for your holidays?".
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
Starmer spending time in Blackpool is significantly more credible than Sunak, Johnson or Rees-Mogg spending time in Blackpool.
I look forward to more comments from PB posters who report on their extensive and frequent global travel along the lines of "what's wrong with staying in the UK for your holidays?".
Just go by private jet to avoid the queues.
I honestly can't think of anything worse than a coach trip overseas. I'd much rather do a domestic holiday or just fly somewhere.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Whereas the Tories love the country so much that they decided to inflict the entirely unnecessary self-inflicted harm of Brexit upon it.
Interesting that you conflate "the Tories" with "the voters".
Boris got 13.9m votes in 2019. Imagine if all those 17.4m who voted for Brexit had done the same then....
And interesting that you don’t dispute it’s been harmful.
Far too soon to tell.
Although on Covid vaccines, it proved quite clear that Remaining would have been harmful to UK residents.
14 hour border waits are yet another data point in the perception that this is country no longer working properly. Along with no longer being able to rely on ambulances to pick you up if you collapse, not having teachers for your classrooms etc.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, it's a poor tweet in the sense that telling people they can holiday in the UK is not a solution to the problem of the delays, anymore than telling people they can shop online rather than pay parking charges, since however true people wanted to do the former, but it came across as over dramatic for a start. Like how it may be annoying and unnecessary to have to be in a slower passport queue, but still not as harrowing as people make it seem.
Stuck in a bus in a queue for a day + seems exceedingly harrowing to me.
Yep. I used to use the tunnel a lot in the past. It was very slick, but when it goes wrong boy does it go wrong. Happened to us twice and not pleasant. Luckily that was twice out of dozens of trips.
And following on from my rant yesterday about pot holes and closed roads around here, in the afternoon I left the village for the A3 and yep the road was closed again.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
It was telling that he went to Kent and didn’t meet Labour’s ONLY MP in Kent - Rosie Duffield - she’s been consistent in standing up for women’s rights.
Excuse my ignorance but what criminal charge has Trump been charged with? He had sexual relations with Stormy Daniels which he denies. It doesn't seem to be rape, even if it's bad taste on her part. She attempted ro sell the story but had no takers, and he supposedly paid her hush-money.
Who loses? A victimless crime. He deserves to lose the money for his studidity, and as far as I can see, no blackmail was involved, so she's committed no crime.
The whole thing may be a crime against morality, but greed and adultery haven't been criminalised. Nor has political incompetence.
We don't know for sure what the charges are: Having sex with a porn star is legal in the US, as is paying her not to talk about it. They're thought to include campaign finance violations (because he allegedly disguised the payment as a company legal expense) and tax evasion (for related reasons). John Edwards was prosecuted for similar reasons, but was found not guilty of most of the charges, IIUC because the prosecution couldn't prove he made the payoffs for political reasons rather than just as to protect his personal reputation.
We should get to see the indictment on Tuesday US time, when he's formally charged. Until we do be skeptical of people who claim to know whether the case is strong or weak.
The other thing to bear in mind is that multiple inditements aren’t necessarily a sign of a strong case - DAs sometimes pile them on to encourage a plea bargain to avoid defending on multiple fronts and encourage a concession on a minor charge. Much as it’s pretty useless thank goodness for the CPS.
Not the Scottish version, though they do pile on the pointless charges, ie on Salmond they had a sexual charge against him for opening a bottle of sparkling water, how did that ever reach court. They make their money very easily.
The rules in Scotland are quite strict in that you cannot lead evidence of any criminal offence by the accused that is not on the indictment. This means that a lot of relatively minor charges are often added to the indictment so that the complainers can tell their story in a consistent way without big holes in the middle. So, for example, if it was alleged that the accused had got a girl to come home with him because he was offering her drugs then there has to be a charge of being concerned in the supply of the drug, even if there is no corroboration of that because it allows her to explain how she ended up in his flat.
What usually happens at the end of the Crown case is that the rubbish gets cleared out by the Crown withdrawing those charges so the jury (and the judge in his charge) can focus on what we are actually there for.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
One of our village Tories on PB was going on about how people would flock to places such as Skegness instead of nast furrin resorts. Brexit benefit.
Whether out of choice or affordability, millions of people do holiday in Britain, so opposition parties should be a bit wary of these attacks.
Yes, Labour need to be careful that they aren't pitching themselves as "too good" for a British holiday. It reopens the whole idea that Labour hate this country and can't wait to tell us that we're all racist because we don't hate it too.
Cant see Starmer or Thornberry spending a week in Blackpool
Starmer spending time in Blackpool is significantly more credible than Sunak, Johnson or Rees-Mogg spending time in Blackpool.
Oh I don't know, I can see Rees-Mogg having enormous fun on Blackpool beach, as Nanny made his sandcastles....
The periodic Tories as true working class heroes discourse is of course silly, but there is a thread through history since at least the reformation that this belongs to.
It’s the bourgeois middle class with their dangerous ideas disrupting the stable feudal order with the squire in his manor and the happy peasants in their cottages. And there’s something to it, it’s not completely fabricated. I remember the countryside alliance marches.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
The same applies to the part of Devon you live in so what is your point exactly?
You can hardly expect people to travel another 250 miles further than those in Islington to go to Skegness. Why would they, anyway, when they have such loveliness in abundance on their doorsteps?*
Devon attracts people from all over England. At least there is some mixing between the regions here. We have even had people from Middlesbrough come to stay.
When they could simply have gone to South Gare.
(*There is some considerable poverty down here in the SW too. Even a holiday in Butlins or Pontins is beyond the reach of a surprising number of folk.)
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
The same applies to the part of Devon you live in so what is your point exactly?
You can hardly expect people to travel another 250 miles further than those in Islington to go to Skegness. Why would they, anyway, when they have such loveliness in abundance on their doorsteps?*
Devon attracts people from all over England. At least there is some mixing between the regions here. We have even had people from Middlesbrough come to stay.
When they could simply have gone to South Gare.
(*There is some considerable poverty down here in the SW too. Even a holiday in Butlins or Pontins is beyond the reach of a surprising number of folk.)
Does a week in Butlins or Pontine during the school holidays, not work out considerably more expensive than a week in Majorca or Lanzarote?
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
The same applies to the part of Devon you live in so what is your point exactly?
There is a huge difference however between someone who lives on the coast who will more often be looking to holiday in a city because its a change and someone who lives in a city who would find a coastal resort a refreshing change.
I to live in Devon now and going on holiday I can't imagine why I would choose a coastal destination either here or abroad. London , Paris, Amsterdam maybe but not skegness or Nice
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
The same applies to the part of Devon you live in so what is your point exactly?
You can hardly expect people to travel another 250 miles further than those in Islington to go to Skegness. Why would they, anyway, when they have such loveliness in abundance on their doorsteps?*
Devon attracts people from all over England. At least there is some mixing between the regions here. We have even had people from Middlesbrough come to stay.
When they could simply have gone to South Gare.
(*There is some considerable poverty down here in the SW too. Even a holiday in Butlins or Pontins is beyond the reach of a surprising number of folk.)
If it's OK for Devon folk to shun Skegness because there are nicer places nearer at hand then why does that not apply to someone living in Islington?
WRT Red Wall constituencies, most are fairly prosperous, with lots of new housing. They are mostly not depressed areas.
Corbyn simply nudged the inhabitants into realising they had more in common with the Conservatives than with Labour, but many of these seats had been trending Conservative since 2001.
Come the next election, I’d expect Aaron Bell to hold his seat.
The Eye seems to think the MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme has taken nearly 10 grands worth of sweeties from the gambling industry.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What's wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
In my part of Devon, visitors from the Midlands dominate. You hear a lot more Brummie and Black Country accents in Sidmouth, Ludrum Bay and Exmouth than you do London ones. Basically because the M5 makes it a relatively easy journey. Same with North Devon and Somerset coastal towns.
Londoners tend to head south to Kent, Sussex, Hampshire and Bournemouth on the M2 and M3, or east to Southend and Clacton. Not sure why you’d expect them to flock to Blackpool or Skegness.
It is so utterly stupid it is actually funny, in a "I´d like to burn the Tory Party to the ground, plough their fields with salt and slaughter their first born" kind of way - and the voters will quite likely feel the same way.
What on earth is wrong with suggesting holidaying in the UK?
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
The Tedious Tactical Triangulator strike again
Follow follow follow
Down to the hollow, and there we can wallow in mud, glorious mud
Excuse my ignorance but what criminal charge has Trump been charged with? He had sexual relations with Stormy Daniels which he denies. It doesn't seem to be rape, even if it's bad taste on her part. She attempted ro sell the story but had no takers, and he supposedly paid her hush-money.
Who loses? A victimless crime. He deserves to lose the money for his studidity, and as far as I can see, no blackmail was involved, so she's committed no crime.
The whole thing may be a crime against morality, but greed and adultery haven't been criminalised. Nor has political incompetence.
We don't know for sure what the charges are: Having sex with a porn star is legal in the US, as is paying her not to talk about it. They're thought to include campaign finance violations (because he allegedly disguised the payment as a company legal expense) and tax evasion (for related reasons). John Edwards was prosecuted for similar reasons, but was found not guilty of most of the charges, IIUC because the prosecution couldn't prove he made the payoffs for political reasons rather than just as to protect his personal reputation.
We should get to see the indictment on Tuesday US time, when he's formally charged. Until we do be skeptical of people who claim to know whether the case is strong or weak.
The other thing to bear in mind is that multiple inditements aren’t necessarily a sign of a strong case - DAs sometimes pile them on to encourage a plea bargain to avoid defending on multiple fronts and encourage a concession on a minor charge. Much as it’s pretty useless thank goodness for the CPS.
Not the Scottish version, though they do pile on the pointless charges, ie on Salmond they had a sexual charge against him for opening a bottle of sparkling water, how did that ever reach court. They make their money very easily.
The rules in Scotland are quite strict in that you cannot lead evidence of any criminal offence by the accused that is not on the indictment. This means that a lot of relatively minor charges are often added to the indictment so that the complainers can tell their story in a consistent way without big holes in the middle. So, for example, if it was alleged that the accused had got a girl to come home with him because he was offering her drugs then there has to be a charge of being concerned in the supply of the drug, even if there is no corroboration of that because it allows her to explain how she ended up in his flat.
What usually happens at the end of the Crown case is that the rubbish gets cleared out by the Crown withdrawing those charges so the jury (and the judge in his charge) can focus on what we are actually there for.
Well you learn something everyday. Thanks for that @DavidL
In my part of Devon, visitors from the Midlands dominate. You hear a lot more Brummie and Black Country accents in Sidmouth, Ludrum Bay and Exmouth than you do London ones. Basically because the M5 makes it a relatively easy journey. Same with North Devon and Somerset coastal towns.
Londoners tend to head south to Kent, Sussex, Hampshire and Bournemouth on the M2 and M3, or east to Southend and Clacton. Not sure why you’d expect them to flock to Blackpool or Skegness.
Strangely I do have someone from Skegness coming down to stay with me in Exmouth late July but that is more because I have a friend from New Orleans coming to stay for a couple of weeks and they are also friends. Just seemed oddly random people talking of holidaying, devon and skegness on this thread
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
In my part of Devon, visitors from the Midlands dominate. You hear a lot more Brummie and Black Country accents in Sidmouth, Ludrum Bay and Exmouth than you do London ones. Basically because the M5 makes it a relatively easy journey. Same with North Devon and Somerset coastal towns.
Londoners tend to head south to Kent, Sussex, Hampshire and Bournemouth on the M2 and M3, or east to Southend and Clacton. Not sure why you’d expect them to flock to Blackpool or Skegness.
Strangely I do have someone from Skegness coming down to stay with me in Exmouth late July but that is more because I have a friend from New Orleans coming to stay for a couple of weeks and they are also friends. Just seemed oddly random people talking of holidaying, devon and skegness on this thread
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Bollocks, desperate if you do not even understand basic biology. Did someone hit you on the head with that flask.
The Venn diagram that matches between "Tory politicians ' holidays and skegness", one has to suspect, is well likely to be even smaller than the Islington residents one.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Nope, as we saw in Scotland, the public are with me. Women don't have cocks, not even 0.1% of them.
The Venn diagram that matches between "Tory politicians ' holidays and skegness", one has to suspect, is well likely to be even smaller than the Islington residents one.
Well there would be at least some intersectionality on the tory mp skegness axis as the mp for skegness is a tory
In my part of Devon, visitors from the Midlands dominate. You hear a lot more Brummie and Black Country accents in Sidmouth, Ludrum Bay and Exmouth than you do London ones. Basically because the M5 makes it a relatively easy journey. Same with North Devon and Somerset coastal towns.
Londoners tend to head south to Kent, Sussex, Hampshire and Bournemouth on the M2 and M3, or east to Southend and Clacton. Not sure why you’d expect them to flock to Blackpool or Skegness.
Weston SuperMud was famously the shortest seaside drive from Birmingham back in the day. Not sure if that's still true with modern roads. I went a few years ago, and it was a bit grim. Good fish & chips though.
Excuse my ignorance but what criminal charge has Trump been charged with? He had sexual relations with Stormy Daniels which he denies. It doesn't seem to be rape, even if it's bad taste on her part. She attempted ro sell the story but had no takers, and he supposedly paid her hush-money.
Who loses? A victimless crime. He deserves to lose the money for his studidity, and as far as I can see, no blackmail was involved, so she's committed no crime.
The whole thing may be a crime against morality, but greed and adultery haven't been criminalised. Nor has political incompetence.
We don't know for sure what the charges are: Having sex with a porn star is legal in the US, as is paying her not to talk about it. They're thought to include campaign finance violations (because he allegedly disguised the payment as a company legal expense) and tax evasion (for related reasons). John Edwards was prosecuted for similar reasons, but was found not guilty of most of the charges, IIUC because the prosecution couldn't prove he made the payoffs for political reasons rather than just as to protect his personal reputation.
We should get to see the indictment on Tuesday US time, when he's formally charged. Until we do be skeptical of people who claim to know whether the case is strong or weak.
The other thing to bear in mind is that multiple inditements aren’t necessarily a sign of a strong case - DAs sometimes pile them on to encourage a plea bargain to avoid defending on multiple fronts and encourage a concession on a minor charge. Much as it’s pretty useless thank goodness for the CPS.
Not the Scottish version, though they do pile on the pointless charges, ie on Salmond they had a sexual charge against him for opening a bottle of sparkling water, how did that ever reach court. They make their money very easily.
The rules in Scotland are quite strict in that you cannot lead evidence of any criminal offence by the accused that is not on the indictment. This means that a lot of relatively minor charges are often added to the indictment so that the complainers can tell their story in a consistent way without big holes in the middle. So, for example, if it was alleged that the accused had got a girl to come home with him because he was offering her drugs then there has to be a charge of being concerned in the supply of the drug, even if there is no corroboration of that because it allows her to explain how she ended up in his flat.
What usually happens at the end of the Crown case is that the rubbish gets cleared out by the Crown withdrawing those charges so the jury (and the judge in his charge) can focus on what we are actually there for.
In Salmond's case they were all rubbish lies and the jury threw them all out despite the best efforts of the crown, government , police and civil service
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
The same applies to the part of Devon you live in so what is your point exactly?
You can hardly expect people to travel another 250 miles further than those in Islington to go to Skegness. Why would they, anyway, when they have such loveliness in abundance on their doorsteps?*
Devon attracts people from all over England. At least there is some mixing between the regions here. We have even had people from Middlesbrough come to stay.
When they could simply have gone to South Gare.
(*There is some considerable poverty down here in the SW too. Even a holiday in Butlins or Pontins is beyond the reach of a surprising number of folk.)
Does a week in Butlins or Pontine during the school holidays, not work out considerably more expensive than a week in Majorca or Lanzarote?
Definitely not Pontins. 7 nights in their basic accommodation in July around £200-300. Bring your own cleaning gear (and flip flops to avoid contact with the flooring).
Somewhere like centreparcs, absolutely more expensive.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Bollocks, desperate if you do not even understand basic biology. Did someone hit you on the head with that flask.
I feel rather sorry for people with intersex conditions. They’re a tiny proportion of the population - and only a small proportion of trans people (and many don’t even identify as trans). The politicised debate puts them in a really difficult and stressful position.
If they go for a May 2024 election, the queues at Dover will be happening next year in the 4-6 weeks before that election.... might be best to go for an autumn date.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Bollocks, desperate if you do not even understand basic biology. Did someone hit you on the head with that flask.
I feel rather sorry for people with intersex conditions. They’re a tiny proportion of the population - and only a small proportion of trans people (and many don’t even identify as trans). The politicised debate puts them in a really difficult position.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Bollocks, desperate if you do not even understand basic biology. Did someone hit you on the head with that flask.
I feel rather sorry for people with intersex conditions. They’re a tiny proportion of the population - and only a small proportion of trans people (and many don’t even identify as trans). The politicised debate puts them in a really difficult position.
Totally agree and it is idiots like that and other government sponsored charities etc that are causing all the trouble and making it dangerous for minority groups.
Lol complete unforced error from Starmer in the Sunday Times this morning with that stupid 99.9% comment. It has been received very poorly and will do nothing to reassure women that 5heir sex based rights won't be eroded by a Labour government.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the likes of yourself: the OK Boomers and beyond who are completely out of sync on this.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Bollocks, desperate if you do not even understand basic biology. Did someone hit you on the head with that flask.
I feel rather sorry for people with intersex conditions. They’re a tiny proportion of the population - and only a small proportion of trans people (and many don’t even identify as trans). The politicised debate puts them in a really difficult and stressful position.
No, its the transphobes and genitalia obsessives who make their life a misery.
One of the greatest examples of a Venn daigram with virtually no overlap is that of "Islington residents" and "those who holiday in Skegness".
By geography alone Lincolnshire is a little out of the way. The Kent, Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk coastline would make way more sense. Anyway the doughty burghers of Islington would have no rights to stay at the Miners' Welfare Holiday Camp, having never been miners (is the Miners' Welfare still there by the way?).
And with all due respects I would be surprised if you are the sort of guy who frequents the Lumley Road Co-op to procure your flagon of White Lightening to lubricate the tonsils while consuming your pie and chips. Of course I may be completely wrong.
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Now we need to know is Mrs Starmer one of the 0,1% ?
As things stand, lovely result for Aston Martin with 3rd and 4th.
The Tories are still trying and failing to get their heads around their 2019 voter base. They seem to assume they all hate foreigners, long for the days of real binmen, eat pies and go on holiday to Skegness. I suspect it comes across as pretty patronising.
There are indeed, excellent places to go on holiday in the UK.
Although there will be one poster on here delighted with that stand!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/01/vodafone-warned-national-security-merger-chinese-three/ (£££)
Oddly, it is Iain Duncan Smith and the trade union Unite that is raising security questions because the government is asleep on the job.
It’s like a parody of how right wingers interpret 15 minute cities.
You don't vote for someone who despises you, in fact you vote for their opponent even if it is not in your best interests.
Some of the poshest people I know always holiday in Britain.
They fly.
https://twitter.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1641896539936247816?s=20
1. Labour politicians are notably quiet on Dover (because they’re cowards on anything Brexit related). If you want to criticise people who dare to have the aspiration to actually cross a border and then complain about it then go after the FBPEs
2. The cloth cap wearing lard eating gammon / salt of the earth family with ripe views on foreigners is a very small demographic and largely a figment of the imagination of both Tory strategists and metropolitan lefties.
He should clarify his position.
Tomorrow it’ll be Labour lack aspiration.
Then we’ll be back to Labour too aspirational again, depending purely on how the story of the day reflects on the Tories
Media theme.
Twitter is a useful reflection of what journalists are thinking and reading,
Boris got 13.9m votes in 2019. Imagine if all those 17.4m who voted for Brexit had done the same then....
I should add: people with dogs often holiday domestically too.
Corbyn simply nudged the inhabitants into realising they had more in common with the Conservatives than with Labour, but many of these seats had been trending Conservative since 2001.
Come the next election, I’d expect Aaron Bell to hold his seat.
I am in the top 1% income wise.
"But the new report says that voters with the characteristics of Workington Man – mainly older male, economically insecure and overwhelmingly pro-Brexit voters – have already abandoned the Tories.
While 49% voted for Boris Johnson in 2019, the analysts say this has collapsed to 15%. On this trajectory, the report says: “If the support Labour currently receives from this group were mirrored on election day, Labour would win back every one of its 30 lost red wall seats.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/01/stevenage-woman-vital-to-labour-success-at-next-election-analysts-say
Although on Covid vaccines, it proved quite clear that Remaining would have been harmful to UK residents.
It isn't a cultural issue.
And following on from my rant yesterday about pot holes and closed roads around here, in the afternoon I left the village for the A3 and yep the road was closed again.
What usually happens at the end of the Crown case is that the rubbish gets cleared out by the Crown withdrawing those charges so the jury (and the judge in his charge) can focus on what we are actually there for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzzPOvoS7Fc
It’s the bourgeois middle class with their dangerous ideas disrupting the stable feudal order with the squire in his manor and the happy peasants in their cottages. And there’s something to it, it’s not completely fabricated. I remember the countryside alliance marches.
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The reason is pretty obvious. South Devon has warm weather, pretty scenery, cream teas and swimmable sea.
Devon attracts people from all over England. At least there is some mixing between the regions here. We have even had people from Middlesbrough come to stay.
When they could simply have gone to South Gare.
(*There is some considerable poverty down here in the SW too. Even a holiday in Butlins or Pontins is beyond the reach of a surprising number of folk.)
Later on this summer in the space of six weeks I’ll be holidaying in both Blackpool and Claridge’s.
#ManOfThePeople
I to live in Devon now and going on holiday I can't imagine why I would choose a coastal destination either here or abroad. London , Paris, Amsterdam maybe but not skegness or Nice
It's the weather that the disappointment. But, that's the deal.
Londoners tend to head south to Kent, Sussex, Hampshire and Bournemouth on the M2 and M3, or east to Southend and Clacton. Not sure why you’d expect them to flock to Blackpool or Skegness.
It's tiresome in the extreme that so many of you 60+ people are so utterly obsessed with such a minority issue, dragging out the same tired old persecutions that were used to assault gay rights forty years ago.
Trans women are women but there are also multiple types of gender expression as well as sex. Just get fucking over it.
p.s. as for Rosie Duffield, the issues with her are not simply on this. She has been a godawful MP on multiple points.
Somewhere like centreparcs, absolutely more expensive.
And with all due respects I would be surprised if you are the sort of guy who frequents the Lumley Road Co-op to procure your flagon of White Lightening to lubricate the tonsils while consuming your pie and chips. Of course I may be completely wrong.