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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,041
    edited March 2023

    Foxy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    Yes, grinding out an away win in a tough place to go. Nothing to complain about.
    The last time we won away to Italy was 62 years ago apparently. I assume that was with all eleven blokes on the pitch too.
    Shaw was sent off in the 80th minute but their second half performance was poor even when he was on the pitch
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    An odd analysis given we played 15 minutes of football with ten men
    Perfectly accurate analysis of the second half
    The analysis desperately lacks context.

    You are not going to have everything your own way in Naples against the European champions. And the last 15 minutes of the game was played with ten men,
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831
    Ronaldo went on to 120 international goals tonight. Does put Kane’s 54 into some sort of perspective.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Maguire does not inspire confidence. Slow lumbering poor passer of the ball and as a result gave Italy a goal. Why he is in the team is beyond my understanding of football which admittedly isnt stellar
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    Foxy said:

    It's because of this:

    https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/ex-labour-councillor-wants-sir-8271019#amp-readmore-target

    There was a council vote brought to abolish the directly elected city mayor by some dissident councillors to try to get rid of Sir Peter Soulsby. They lost, and have been de-selected in consequence.
    And are trying to say it is racism. Classy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102

    Dmitry Medvedev says that Ukraine is part of Russia and the border is an artificial invention...

    What a philosopher he is, pondering about the artificiality of all borders. Except those of Russia of course.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    An odd analysis given we played 15 minutes of football with ten men
    Perfectly accurate analysis of the second half
    The analysis desperately lacks context.

    You are not going to have everything your own way in Naples against the European champions. And the last 15 minutes of the game was played with ten men,
    I read the above comments and assumed without hesitation that England had been soundly beaten. Imagine my surprise when...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited March 2023

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
  • TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    Phil said:

    geoffw said:

    Phil said:

    carnforth said:


    These people are laughable, but I almost agree with them about La Poste starting an online bank called "Ma French Bank". Imagine if the post office here opened "My banque anglais" here.

    We have Pret A Manger, although I suppose that's mitigated by everyone mispronouncing the first word.
    It's not pronounced "pret"? This is messing with my mind.
    A native french speaker won’t sound the t on the end of pret. (Also, it’s prêt à manger but the accents would just confuse I guess.)
    He/she would before the vowel

    I think that varies these days - for an older generation you’re right though & it’s certainly the way I was taught.
    Why do you think it varies these days?
    On French pronunciation: I am at the outer limits of my expertise here, but it is my understanding/limited experience that while Parisian (sp?) French - which is the French we were taught in schools - is, to English ears, willfully awkward in its pronunciation, in the south, words are pronounced a lot more how an Anglophone might expect - i.e. words are largely pronounced in their entireity.

    Bloody difficult language for an English speaker, French.
    Nowhere near as difficult as German. At least the nouns and verbs are in the right place even if the adjectives aren’t.
    German pronounciation is however very much easier than French. Also, although the grammar is painful and difficult, you'll find most Germans don't worry much about it and use the same kind of approximations we would. It's only in formal speech that you have to worry about cases and word order.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    In Gareth we trust!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    An odd analysis given we played 15 minutes of football with ten men
    Perfectly accurate analysis of the second half
    The analysis desperately lacks context.

    You are not going to have everything your own way in Naples against the European champions. And the last 15 minutes of the game was played with ten men,
    I read the above comments and assumed without hesitation that England had been soundly beaten. Imagine my surprise when...
    Indeed. Peak PB.

  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
    If you call giving away a goal a solid performance.....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,651
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    It's because of this:

    https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/ex-labour-councillor-wants-sir-8271019#amp-readmore-target

    There was a council vote brought to abolish the directly elected city mayor by some dissident councillors to try to get rid of Sir Peter Soulsby. They lost, and have been de-selected in consequence.
    And are trying to say it is racism. Classy.
    More about cliques that are not particularly nationally relevant. Soulsbyites vs Vazites is perhaps not too far off.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,041
    edited March 2023

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
    His yellow card tackle led to Italy's goal and he got away with another error in defence shortly after
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited March 2023
    TimS said:

    Cookie said:

    Phil said:

    geoffw said:

    Phil said:

    carnforth said:


    These people are laughable, but I almost agree with them about La Poste starting an online bank called "Ma French Bank". Imagine if the post office here opened "My banque anglais" here.

    We have Pret A Manger, although I suppose that's mitigated by everyone mispronouncing the first word.
    It's not pronounced "pret"? This is messing with my mind.
    A native french speaker won’t sound the t on the end of pret. (Also, it’s prêt à manger but the accents would just confuse I guess.)
    He/she would before the vowel

    I think that varies these days - for an older generation you’re right though & it’s certainly the way I was taught.
    Why do you think it varies these days?
    On French pronunciation: I am at the outer limits of my expertise here, but it is my understanding/limited experience that while Parisian (sp?) French - which is the French we were taught in schools - is, to English ears, willfully awkward in its pronunciation, in the south, words are pronounced a lot more how an Anglophone might expect - i.e. words are largely pronounced in their entireity.

    Bloody difficult language for an English speaker, French.
    Nowhere near as difficult as German. At least the nouns and verbs are in the right place even if the adjectives aren’t.
    You're in good company:

    The Awful German Language

    Mark Twain

    https://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/texts/twain.german.html
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    kle4 said:

    Dmitry Medvedev says that Ukraine is part of Russia and the border is an artificial invention...

    What a philosopher he is, pondering about the artificiality of all borders. Except those of Russia of course.
    I suspect he agrees that Russia's borders are artificial and therefore Russia should extend to cover the whole of Eurasia.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
    Southgate once again very poor at managing his resources from the bench. He really can’t see what is needed to change a game that is not going well.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    geoffw said:

    Dmitry Medvedev says that Ukraine is part of Russia and the border is an artificial invention...

    isn't that the whole casus belli?

    They came up with so many different ones it is hard to keep track. It's certainly one of the more persistent pretexts.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    kle4 said:

    Dmitry Medvedev says that Ukraine is part of Russia and the border is an artificial invention...

    What a philosopher he is, pondering about the artificiality of all borders. Except those of Russia of course.
    I suspect he agrees that Russia's borders are artificial and therefore Russia should extend to cover the whole of Eurasia.
    A Little Respect!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    DavidL said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
    Southgate once again very poor at managing his resources from the bench. He really can’t see what is needed to change a game that is not going well.
    True.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
    His yellow card tackle led to Italy's goal and he got away with another error in defence shortly after
    The referee waved play on. It's not like the tackle led to a free-kick that Italy scored, or that Maguire gave the ball away.

    England including Maguire defended well for the last 15 minutes under a lot of pressure. In the past they'd have inevitably lost the lead. 2-1 away to Italy is a great result.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Hmmm...

    Maybe my idea of taking Mrs P away for a romantic few days in Paris in April wasn't such a great plan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/23/workers-block-paris-airport-terminal-pension-protests-continue-france
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
    His yellow card tackle led to Italy's goal and he got away with another error in defence shortly after
    The referee waved play on. It's not like the tackle led to a free-kick that Italy scored, or that Maguire gave the ball away.

    England including Maguire defended well for the last 15 minutes under a lot of pressure. In the

    past they'd have inevitably lost the lead. 2-1 away to Italy is a great result.
    Indeed. Some utterly crackers posts tonight.

    (@davidl excepted - it’s true we didn’t use our bench well)

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Greggs?! Luxury. Pound Bakery is what you have in the proper north.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102

    The Modi story reminds me of a classic Soviet/Russian joke. Here's a current version:

    A Russian gets drunk and begins marching around the Kremlin shouting, "Putin is a madman! Putin is a madman!"

    He is arrested immediately, given a quick trial, and receives a sentence of eleven years.

    Why eleven? One year for insulting the president of Russia, ten years for revealing a state secret.

    (The first version I heard -- many decades ago -- made Khrushchev the target of the drunk.)

    Whilst we have some political injokes we do appear to lack the sheer volume of classic Soviet jokes
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    biggles said:

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Greggs?! Luxury. Pound Bakery is what you have in the proper north.
    You can afford pounds? Round ere bakeries don't charge more'n 50p cos that's all we can afford!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    No Percy Ingles??
  • ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Greggs?! Luxury. Pound Bakery is what you have in the proper north.
    You can afford pounds? Round ere bakeries don't charge more'n 50p cos that's all we can afford!
    50p?! Round here you don't see anything above a groat, people are so poor....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Your endless salt of the earth northerner schtick is wearing
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Greggs?! Luxury. Pound Bakery is what you have in the proper north.
    You can afford pounds? Round ere bakeries don't charge more'n 50p cos that's all we can afford!
    50p?! Round here you don't see anything above a groat, people are so poor....
    Bullshit, you live in Winchcombe. The only people who can"t afford fecking Waitrose are the ones who follow my tips at the cricket.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    edited March 2023

    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Greggs?! Luxury. Pound Bakery is what you have in the proper north.
    You can afford pounds? Round ere bakeries don't charge more'n 50p cos that's all we can afford!
    50p?! Round here you don't see anything above a groat, people are so poor....
    We have to get up at half past two to STOCK the bakeries. And we pay the bakery owner a groat for ‘t privilege.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Your endless salt of the earth northerner schtick is wearing
    Eddie Waring?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    kle4 said:

    Dmitry Medvedev says that Ukraine is part of Russia and the border is an artificial invention...

    What a philosopher he is, pondering about the artificiality of all borders. Except those of Russia of course.
    I think we should discuss the Ukraine/Republic Of China border.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,651
    edited March 2023
    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Your endless salt of the earth northerner schtick is wearing
    Calling out other peoples' schticks and tracking of use of bog standard english language cliches is not a schtick I take it?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Hmmm...

    Maybe my idea of taking Mrs P away for a romantic few days in Paris in April wasn't such a great plan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/23/workers-block-paris-airport-terminal-pension-protests-continue-france

    I dunno, dinner by (flaming) torchlight?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267

    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Greggs?! Luxury. Pound Bakery is what you have in the proper north.
    You can afford pounds? Round ere bakeries don't charge more'n 50p cos that's all we can afford!
    50p?! Round here you don't see anything above a groat, people are so poor....
    You have a groat! Luuuuuuuxury!

    {rips lid off a double case of Chateau de Chasselier}

    When I was a lad….
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    You do make it a bit easy sometimes. If you want to say Starmer is too authoritarian or too 'establishment', fine, but a quote about the rule of law being important? It's not magically transformed into something else by a picture, the words themselves remain unobjectionable, whoever he chose to quote.

    Many political statements are so anodyne they could not be reasonably be disagreed with by anyone (I believe in this country, I care about young people etc), and one about the rule of law is up there.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,913
    edited March 2023
    Do you think it doesn't piss off other long time Labour supporters that huge numbers of them support hanging Brexit flogging in schools Rwanda for foreigners and are more immigrrant hating than the Tories?

    Unfortunately those are the bulk of the Red Wallers that Labour need to win back to get in. I hate it that Starmer has to go against all his instincts to appeal to the likes of you but that's the way the cookie crumbles if we want to get rid of the Tories.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,190
    Nothing on the big story?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65048602

    'Indian opposition leader Rahul Gandhi has been sentenced to two years in prison in a criminal defamation case.

    The Congress MP was convicted by the court in Gujarat state for 2019 comments about Prime Minister Narendra Modi's surname at an election rally.'

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    Pretty sure Keir Starmer would not support people getting their skulls caved in if you asked him. What has he said to make you think otherwise? No, supporting the rule of law is not the answer.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    You are completely, weirdly, obsessed with Sir Keir Starmer. It really is an unedifying spectacle.

    Can we get the old Big John back at some point? I look forward to that day in hope if not expectation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    If anyonje is curious what my schtick is, it's 'the guy who is always right, even when he isn't'.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    kamski said:

    Nothing on the big story?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65048602

    'Indian opposition leader Rahul Gandhi has been sentenced to two years in prison in a criminal defamation case.

    The Congress MP was convicted by the court in Gujarat state for 2019 comments about Prime Minister Narendra Modi's surname at an election rally.'

    "Speaking at a rally in Karnataka state in April 2019, Mr Gandhi had said: "Why do all these thieves have Modi as their surname? Nirav Modi, Lalit Modi, Narendra Modi."

    "Nirav Modi is a fugitive Indian diamond tycoon while Lalit Modi is a former chief of the Indian Premier League who has been banned for life by the country's cricket board. Mr Gandhi argues that he made the comment to highlight corruption and it was not directed against any community."

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,380

    Hmmm...

    Maybe my idea of taking Mrs P away for a romantic few days in Paris in April wasn't such a great plan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/23/workers-block-paris-airport-terminal-pension-protests-continue-france

    Who are you going to take instead? Mrs P won't be best pleased.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    kle4 said:

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    Pretty sure Keir Starmer would not support people getting their skulls caved in if you asked him. What has he said to make you think otherwise? No, supporting the rule of law is not the answer.
    To pull a Godwin, Hitler was right when he said Communism was a menace to Europe.

    That doesn't mean I think his actions to try to stop it, leaving his actions in many other fields, were justified or effective.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    kle4 said:

    The Modi story reminds me of a classic Soviet/Russian joke. Here's a current version:

    A Russian gets drunk and begins marching around the Kremlin shouting, "Putin is a madman! Putin is a madman!"

    He is arrested immediately, given a quick trial, and receives a sentence of eleven years.

    Why eleven? One year for insulting the president of Russia, ten years for revealing a state secret.

    (The first version I heard -- many decades ago -- made Khrushchev the target of the drunk.)

    Whilst we have some political injokes we do appear to lack the sheer volume of classic Soviet jokes
    East German joke

    Why do the Border Guards always have two soldiers with a dog?

    The dog does the thinking and and two soldiers are there to supervise the dangerous intellectual
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,014

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Your endless salt of the earth northerner schtick is wearing
    I'll opine on the balsamic glaze if you prefer.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    I wish you'd direct your ire towards the Tories then rather than voting for them.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Foxy said:

    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.

    You do have to wonder which idiot thought releasing that would help, and there is some nonsense in there I could pick apart. But it also does feel like DH is behind the curve with them on actually engaging. I presume the plan is to divide and conquer and say “why won’t they just accept the deal the nurses did” but that isn’t a strategy to stop people dying.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Your endless salt of the earth northerner schtick is wearing
    I'll opine on the balsamic glaze if you prefer.
    Just try to enjoy food of all kinds instead of fretting about whether it suits your flat-cap fussy eater image
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    kle4 said:

    If anyonje is curious what my schtick is, it's 'the guy who is always right, even when he isn't'.

    Sorry, that’s taken.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    kle4 said:

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    Pretty sure Keir Starmer would not support people getting their skulls caved in if you asked him
    IMO He would if he thought a few more people would vote for him to be PM if he was pro skull caving in
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258

    The Modi story reminds me of a classic Soviet/Russian joke. Here's a current version:

    A Russian gets drunk and begins marching around the Kremlin shouting, "Putin is a madman! Putin is a madman!"

    He is arrested immediately, given a quick trial, and receives a sentence of eleven years.

    Why eleven? One year for insulting the president of Russia, ten years for revealing a state secret.

    (The first version I heard -- many decades ago -- made Khrushchev the target of the drunk.)

    If we are doing Russian jokes, did you hear about Khrushchev and Nixon’s race around the Kremlin? Nixon won.

    The next morning Pravda reported that in a race among world leaders, Khrushchev came second while the American President was next to last.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102

    kle4 said:

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    Pretty sure Keir Starmer would not support people getting their skulls caved in if you asked him
    IMO He would if he thought a few more people would vote for him to be PM if he was pro skull caving in
    Historically speaking being a Tory Leader is a good way of becoming PM, he could put his name forward the next time the Tories look to do a switcharoo?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    Pretty sure Keir Starmer would not support people getting their skulls caved in if you asked him
    IMO He would if he thought a few more people would vote for him to be PM if he was pro skull caving in
    Historically speaking being a Tory Leader is a good way of becoming PM, he could put his name forward the next time the Tories look to do a switcharoo?
    Didn't work too well for Corbyn,although he was pretending to be Labour at the time.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Your endless salt of the earth northerner schtick is wearing
    I'll opine on the balsamic glaze if you prefer.
    Just try to enjoy food of all kinds instead of fretting about whether it suits your flat-cap fussy eater image
    I think it's brown sauce for flat caps, not balsamic.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267

    The Modi story reminds me of a classic Soviet/Russian joke. Here's a current version:

    A Russian gets drunk and begins marching around the Kremlin shouting, "Putin is a madman! Putin is a madman!"

    He is arrested immediately, given a quick trial, and receives a sentence of eleven years.

    Why eleven? One year for insulting the president of Russia, ten years for revealing a state secret.

    (The first version I heard -- many decades ago -- made Khrushchev the target of the drunk.)

    If we are doing Russian jokes, did you hear about Khrushchev and Nixon’s race around the Kremlin? Nixon won.

    The next morning Pravda reported that in a race among world leaders, Khrushchev came second while the American President was next to last.

    There is no Pravda in Izvestia. And no Izvestia in Pravda.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    The Modi story reminds me of a classic Soviet/Russian joke. Here's a current version:

    A Russian gets drunk and begins marching around the Kremlin shouting, "Putin is a madman! Putin is a madman!"

    He is arrested immediately, given a quick trial, and receives a sentence of eleven years.

    Why eleven? One year for insulting the president of Russia, ten years for revealing a state secret.

    (The first version I heard -- many decades ago -- made Khrushchev the target of the drunk.)

    If we are doing Russian jokes, did you hear about Khrushchev and Nixon’s race around the Kremlin? Nixon won.

    The next morning Pravda reported that in a race among world leaders, Khrushchev came second while the American President was next to last.

    Why are there two newspapers in Russia?

    There is no news in Pravda and no truth in Izvestia.
  • dr_spyn said:

    Underwhelming England performance in the second half. Saka and Bellingham both add something special to the team, both have an ability to make things happen. Pity that the defence is so lacklustre and leaden footed.

    What do you expect with Maguire playing
    Anyone would think we had lost the match, reading the garbage on PB. In fact, we have just beaten Italy in Naples with ten men.

    Funny old world.
    I have been into football since 1953 and recognise a bad player when I see one, and as a Man Utd supporter since that time I can tell you that Maguire is a liability to the England side as we saw tonight
    I can't really see what Maguire did wrong tonight. He may not be deserving of his place in the England team but he was pretty solid today imo. We lost the midfield after the break, Phillips and Rice looked tired.
    His yellow card tackle led to Italy's goal and he got away with another error in defence shortly after
    The referee waved play on. It's not like the tackle led to a free-kick that Italy scored, or that Maguire gave the ball away.

    England including Maguire defended well for the last 15 minutes under a lot of pressure. In the past they'd have inevitably lost the lead. 2-1 away to Italy is a great result.
    Sky's player ratings confirm my comments on Maguire losing the ball for the goal

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12840977/italy-1-2-england-player-ratings-as-harry-kane-declan-rice-and-john-stones-help-three-lions-claim-victory
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258
    Foxy said:

    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.

    They refused to even discuss anything less than a 35% increase. That’s not serious
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,014

    In the north we pronounce Pret a Manger as "Greggs".

    Your endless salt of the earth northerner schtick is wearing
    I'll opine on the balsamic glaze if you prefer.
    Just try to enjoy food of all kinds instead of fretting about whether it suits your flat-cap fussy eater image
    While there is a Pret on every street in That London, there is a Greggs on every street in The Toon.

    That is what I was alluding to.

    Back in the halcyon days when we could claim for lunch on expenses, I would use the Pret at King's Cross when visiting London.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    I wish you'd direct your ire towards the Tories then rather than voting for them.
    How many time do you have to be told I have never voted Tory and wont be voting for either of the Tory Parties next time either.

    People seem to think getting rid of the Tories is a goal in itself if you replace them with a Party with virtually identical policies and a bloke in the pay of former Tory Donors makes no odds AFAICS
  • Foxy said:

    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.

    They refused to even discuss anything less than a 35% increase. That’s not serious
    Or that 35% thing could be a complete lie?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    TERF

    Sir Keir Starmer will lose the general election campaign "on day one" unless he shifts his position on transgender rights, party strategists have warned.

    Advisers have been telling the Labour leader since late 2021 to "deal with" the issue and explain to voters that "self-ID is not going to happen".

    Sir Keir's position has evolved in recent days. At an event in Stoke-on-Trent on Thursday, he said: "I think that if we reflect on what's happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you're going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

    "And I think that's a very important message, and I think that's why it's clear that in Scotland there should be a reset of the situation."

    This contrasts with a commitment two years ago to introduce "self-declaration for trans people".


    https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-over-his-trans-rights-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635

    The Modi story reminds me of a classic Soviet/Russian joke. Here's a current version:

    A Russian gets drunk and begins marching around the Kremlin shouting, "Putin is a madman! Putin is a madman!"

    He is arrested immediately, given a quick trial, and receives a sentence of eleven years.

    Why eleven? One year for insulting the president of Russia, ten years for revealing a state secret.

    (The first version I heard -- many decades ago -- made Khrushchev the target of the drunk.)

    If we are doing Russian jokes, did you hear about Khrushchev and Nixon’s race around the Kremlin? Nixon won.

    The next morning Pravda reported that in a race among world leaders, Khrushchev came second while the American President was next to last.

    There is no Pravda in Izvestia. And no Izvestia in Pravda.
    A local traffic patrol pulled over a suspicious car driving around in Mariupol a few nights ago. When the officer got back to the station he said he had to let them off because it was someone far too important.

    "Who was it?" asked his colleague.

    "Well I couldn't see clearly... but his driver was Putin!"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258

    Foxy said:

    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.

    They refused to even discuss anything less than a 35% increase. That’s not serious
    Or that 35% thing could be a complete lie?
    Tell that to the Beeb

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65052816.amp

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    edited March 2023

    TERF

    Sir Keir Starmer will lose the general election campaign "on day one" unless he shifts his position on transgender rights, party strategists have warned.

    Advisers have been telling the Labour leader since late 2021 to "deal with" the issue and explain to voters that "self-ID is not going to happen".

    Sir Keir's position has evolved in recent days. At an event in Stoke-on-Trent on Thursday, he said: "I think that if we reflect on what's happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you're going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

    "And I think that's a very important message, and I think that's why it's clear that in Scotland there should be a reset of the situation."

    This contrasts with a commitment two years ago to introduce "self-declaration for trans people".


    https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-over-his-trans-rights-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099

    I think if Labour were deemed to have a position like that of the SNP (as it is perceived at least), then it would hurt them (lacking the advantage of Indy support the SNP have), but it's a bit dramatic and pessimistic to think it would so overpower the view of everything else that it would scupper their chances.

    But he certainly does not want to take the chance it seems.

    My general position isthat people are confused on the details of most issues, or ambivalent let's say, so they certainly don't want to discriminate against any groups and are dismissive of those who bang on about it all the time, but also just don't buy that some bureaucratic hurdles is an outrage or discriminatory (and the perception is activists thinks it is).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    TERF

    Sir Keir Starmer will lose the general election campaign "on day one" unless he shifts his position on transgender rights, party strategists have warned.

    Advisers have been telling the Labour leader since late 2021 to "deal with" the issue and explain to voters that "self-ID is not going to happen".

    Sir Keir's position has evolved in recent days. At an event in Stoke-on-Trent on Thursday, he said: "I think that if we reflect on what's happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you're going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

    "And I think that's a very important message, and I think that's why it's clear that in Scotland there should be a reset of the situation."

    This contrasts with a commitment two years ago to introduce "self-declaration for trans people".


    https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-over-his-trans-rights-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099

    The tide is turning. At the risk of mixing metaphors, I hope the pendulum doesn't swing too far the other way but some of the nonsense expounded by extreme trans-rights campaigners is clearly not going not going to get implemented, nor should it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,651

    Foxy said:

    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.

    They refused to even discuss anything less than a 35% increase. That’s not serious
    Barclay refused to make any offer at all. The BMA position is an opening position.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102

    TERF

    Sir Keir Starmer will lose the general election campaign "on day one" unless he shifts his position on transgender rights, party strategists have warned.

    Advisers have been telling the Labour leader since late 2021 to "deal with" the issue and explain to voters that "self-ID is not going to happen".

    Sir Keir's position has evolved in recent days. At an event in Stoke-on-Trent on Thursday, he said: "I think that if we reflect on what's happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you're going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

    "And I think that's a very important message, and I think that's why it's clear that in Scotland there should be a reset of the situation."

    This contrasts with a commitment two years ago to introduce "self-declaration for trans people".


    https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-over-his-trans-rights-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099

    The tide is turning. At the risk of mixing metaphors, I hope the pendulum doesn't swing too far the other way but some of the nonsense expounded by extreme trans-rights campaigners is clearly not going not going to get implemented, nor should it.
    Swinging too far is a fair enough concern, and certainly the fear of that happening has beeen propounded to encourage movement in the other direction, but strange as it feels to say I think the public has more common sense on this than political operators. People who lapse into tropes implying all trans people are sexual predators or the like get short shrift, just as when you look at some of those extreme trans-right campaigners proposals or statements they are often dismissed as should not be implemented - but then again that's only because others stepped in!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.

    They refused to even discuss anything less than a 35% increase. That’s not serious
    Barclay refused to make any offer at all. The BMA position is an opening position.
    According to the BBC they were offered a structure of a pay rise from April and a one off base payment

    If someone’s open position is ridiculous sometimes the right thing is not to counter
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Could I pitch this as an idea for SKS's next PPB!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/sue_lees/status/1639019420784771073/photo/1
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    kle4 said:

    TERF

    Sir Keir Starmer will lose the general election campaign "on day one" unless he shifts his position on transgender rights, party strategists have warned.

    Advisers have been telling the Labour leader since late 2021 to "deal with" the issue and explain to voters that "self-ID is not going to happen".

    Sir Keir's position has evolved in recent days. At an event in Stoke-on-Trent on Thursday, he said: "I think that if we reflect on what's happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you're going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

    "And I think that's a very important message, and I think that's why it's clear that in Scotland there should be a reset of the situation."

    This contrasts with a commitment two years ago to introduce "self-declaration for trans people".


    https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-over-his-trans-rights-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099

    The tide is turning. At the risk of mixing metaphors, I hope the pendulum doesn't swing too far the other way but some of the nonsense expounded by extreme trans-rights campaigners is clearly not going not going to get implemented, nor should it.
    Swinging too far is a fair enough concern, and certainly the fear of that happening has beeen propounded to encourage movement in the other direction, but strange as it feels to say I think the public has more common sense on this than political operators. People who lapse into tropes implying all trans people are sexual predators or the like get short shrift, just as when you look at some of those extreme trans-right campaigners proposals or statements they are often dismissed as should not be implemented - but then again that's only because others stepped in!
    Organisations that tweet nonsense like this?

    It is so disappointing to see World Athletics announce a unilateral ban on trans women in track and field events.

    Their own statement recognises that there are no trans women competing at an international level and that they have no specific evidence to justify the ban.

    We stand with trans people who now have the door closed on their chance to compete in athletic sports at an international level.


    https://twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1638966233608642560?s=20

    There is no "ban" on trans women. Only the requirement that they compete with their peers who they went through puberty with.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,651

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    These sound like pretty toxic negotiations.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/JuniorDoctorsUK/comments/11zhdox/update_bma_negotiations_2232023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    So the Juniors are out on strike again 11-15 April, the week of the Easter holidays. That is going to be a problem, with a lot of leave booked.

    They refused to even discuss anything less than a 35% increase. That’s not serious
    Barclay refused to make any offer at all. The BMA position is an opening position.
    According to the BBC they were offered a structure of a pay rise from April and a one off base payment

    If someone’s open position is ridiculous sometimes the right thing is not to counter
    No, that is the offer to the nurses and other AFC staff. No offer has been made for medical staff at all.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    I wish you'd direct your ire towards the Tories then rather than voting for them.
    How many time do you have to be told I have never voted Tory and wont be voting for either of the Tory Parties next time either.

    People seem to think getting rid of the Tories is a goal in itself if you replace them with a Party with virtually identical policies and a bloke in the pay of former Tory Donors makes no odds AFAICS
    Boris fan boy attempts reverse ferret but fails.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    TERF

    Sir Keir Starmer will lose the general election campaign "on day one" unless he shifts his position on transgender rights, party strategists have warned.

    Advisers have been telling the Labour leader since late 2021 to "deal with" the issue and explain to voters that "self-ID is not going to happen".

    Sir Keir's position has evolved in recent days. At an event in Stoke-on-Trent on Thursday, he said: "I think that if we reflect on what's happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you're going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

    "And I think that's a very important message, and I think that's why it's clear that in Scotland there should be a reset of the situation."

    This contrasts with a commitment two years ago to introduce "self-declaration for trans people".


    https://news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-will-lose-election-campaign-on-day-one-over-his-trans-rights-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099

    The tide is turning. At the risk of mixing metaphors, I hope the pendulum doesn't swing too far the other way but some of the nonsense expounded by extreme trans-rights campaigners is clearly not going not going to get implemented, nor should it.
    There is concern among some in the LGB community that the trans rights extremists are risking the rights LGB people have won - in particular among Lesbians, let alone damaging the acceptance that trans people deserve.

    The authoritarian "no debate" crowd have done plenty of harm as it is.

    In the UK we're fortunate that the debate has been entered by people across the political spectrum, many from the left. The US is much less fortunate in that its largely been left to the right to run with while Democrats repeat fatuous mantras and lionise grifters like Dylan Mulvaney.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    edited March 2023
    I do have some sympathy with this view - I see it a bit like the purported CSI effect where people expect a lot more than can reasonably be or need be provided to make a case. Fan though I am of lawyers, not every procedural event or proceeding needs to be a pseudo courtroom trial. This affair is really political more than anything else, and there is a place for politics.

    Lawyers don't make everything clearer or fairer.

    One of the striking things with this whole episode is how legalised things became. An evidence session transformed into a hearing. Legal submissions from counsel were published. It was easy to forget that this was simply a parliamentary proceeding (if a rather unusual one)

    https://twitter.com/AlexanderHorne1/status/1638907761151844355

    I see this as, like Miller 2, Marcus Ball’s attempted private prosecution, and some of the GLP’s Covid cases, an instance of Boris Johnson as a prime ministerial lightning rod for lawfare - legal process with political consequences. I’m broadly resistant to this development 1/2

    I think it leads both to some people over-valuing the clerisy of lawyers above political events and consequences, and to the extreme reaction that that provokes - the denigration of “enemies of the people”, “kangaroo courts” etc. Some people even veer between these opposites 2/2

    https://twitter.com/BarbaraRich_law/status/1638952406250561552?cxt=HHwWoICxpfWh3b4tAAAA
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Driver said:

    malcolmg said:

    Re: Scotland and Westminster, one thing that I noted re: yesterday's HoC vote on Windsor Framework, was that both Alba MPs were recorded as not voting.

    Does anyone know why?

    Of course, all parties had some no-shows, also independents as a group (or rather gaggle). But only Alba 100%.

    Nothing to do with Scotland
    Nor is England's Sunday trading hours.
    Fanny baws, they affected Scotland at the time
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Jonathan said:

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    I wish you'd direct your ire towards the Tories then rather than voting for them.
    How many time do you have to be told I have never voted Tory and wont be voting for either of the Tory Parties next time either.

    People seem to think getting rid of the Tories is a goal in itself if you replace them with a Party with virtually identical policies and a bloke in the pay of former Tory Donors makes no odds AFAICS
    Boris fan boy attempts reverse ferret but fails.
    Indeed.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited March 2023
    Around 120 top legal professionals are set to sign a 'Declaration of Conscience' vowing to refuse their services in prosecuting protesters from eco-groups such as Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.

    Amid accusations of virtue signalling, the group – who call themselves 'Lawyers are Responsible' – will also refuse to act on behalf of clients involved in oil and gas on the grounds that they are destroying the environment.

    Prominent lawyers understood to be involved are Jolyon Maugham KC, founder of the Good Law Project, and Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC, chairman of the British Institute of Human Rights.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11896725/Fury-woke-barristers-refusing-prosecute-eco-warriors.html
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    "Bordeaux town hall set on fire in France pension protests"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65057249
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    edited March 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    "Bordeaux town hall set on fire in France pension protests"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65057249

    It doesn't count as a proper protest in France unless shit gets burned down.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102

    Around 120 top legal professionals are set to sign a 'Declaration of Conscience' vowing to refuse their services in prosecuting protesters from eco-groups such as Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.

    Amid accusations of virtue signalling, the group – who call themselves 'Lawyers are Responsible' – will also refuse to act on behalf of clients involved in oil and gas on the grounds that they are destroying the environment.

    Prominent lawyers understood to be involved are Jolyon Maugham KC, founder of the Good Law Project, and Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC, chairman of the British Institute of Human Rights.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11896725/Fury-woke-barristers-refusing-prosecute-eco-warriors.html

    As they are top lawyers I assume this declaration has some caveats in it rather than just in effect declaring anyone with that motive should have a blank cheque (I am presuming that in theory they would like every lawyer to agree to such a declaration).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls.

    Lab 45.7%
    Con 28.3%

    Includes the poll putting the Tories on 20%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    And the one putting the Blues on 35%?
    Yes.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    Around 120 top legal professionals are set to sign a 'Declaration of Conscience' vowing to refuse their services in prosecuting protesters from eco-groups such as Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.

    Amid accusations of virtue signalling, the group – who call themselves 'Lawyers are Responsible' – will also refuse to act on behalf of clients involved in oil and gas on the grounds that they are destroying the environment.

    Prominent lawyers understood to be involved are Jolyon Maugham KC, founder of the Good Law Project, and Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC, chairman of the British Institute of Human Rights.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11896725/Fury-woke-barristers-refusing-prosecute-eco-warriors.html

    This potentially creating yet more legal to determine if they can do this and comply with the cab rank rule. Trebles all round is, I think, the phrase.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Around 120 top legal professionals are set to sign a 'Declaration of Conscience' vowing to refuse their services in prosecuting protesters from eco-groups such as Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.

    Amid accusations of virtue signalling, the group – who call themselves 'Lawyers are Responsible' – will also refuse to act on behalf of clients involved in oil and gas on the grounds that they are destroying the environment.

    Prominent lawyers understood to be involved are Jolyon Maugham KC, founder of the Good Law Project, and Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC, chairman of the British Institute of Human Rights.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11896725/Fury-woke-barristers-refusing-prosecute-eco-warriors.html

    This sounds like a really bad idea, because lawyers with the opposite opinions may start doing the same sort of thing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited March 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    "Bordeaux town hall set on fire in France pension protests"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65057249

    A 250 year old building too, all as the French retirement age is rising to 64.

    An absolute disgrace. I hope Macron orders the gendarmes to crush these rioters using all necessary force!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,929
    Andy_JS said:

    Around 120 top legal professionals are set to sign a 'Declaration of Conscience' vowing to refuse their services in prosecuting protesters from eco-groups such as Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.

    Amid accusations of virtue signalling, the group – who call themselves 'Lawyers are Responsible' – will also refuse to act on behalf of clients involved in oil and gas on the grounds that they are destroying the environment.

    Prominent lawyers understood to be involved are Jolyon Maugham KC, founder of the Good Law Project, and Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC, chairman of the British Institute of Human Rights.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11896725/Fury-woke-barristers-refusing-prosecute-eco-warriors.html

    This sounds like a really bad idea, because lawyers with the opposite opinions may start doing the same sort of thing.
    So much for justice being blind. They should all be disbarred.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,929
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Bordeaux town hall set on fire in France pension protests"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65057249

    A 250 year old building too, all as the French retirement age is rising to 64.

    An absolute disgrace. I hope Macron orders the gendarmes to crush these rioters using all necessary force!
    No wonder they are desperate to escape across the channel.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Bordeaux town hall set on fire in France pension protests"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65057249

    A 250 year old building too, all as the French retirement age is rising to 64.

    An absolute disgrace. I hope Macron orders the gendarmes to crush these rioters using all necessary force!
    Savages.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Jonathan said:

    Are you saying you don't support the rule of law?

    I appreciate your hero Johnson ignores it but even so...
    I support the bloke about to get his skull caved in by Thatchers bully boys
    I wish you'd direct your ire towards the Tories then rather than voting for them.
    How many time do you have to be told I have never voted Tory and wont be voting for either of the Tory Parties next time either.

    People seem to think getting rid of the Tories is a goal in itself if you replace them with a Party with virtually identical policies and a bloke in the pay of former Tory Donors makes no odds AFAICS
    Boris fan boy attempts reverse ferret but fails.
    Don't attach him just because he is morally consistent.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    I invest my pension in french municipal buildings, so I'm really annoyed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,102
    Andy_JS said:

    Around 120 top legal professionals are set to sign a 'Declaration of Conscience' vowing to refuse their services in prosecuting protesters from eco-groups such as Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.

    Amid accusations of virtue signalling, the group – who call themselves 'Lawyers are Responsible' – will also refuse to act on behalf of clients involved in oil and gas on the grounds that they are destroying the environment.

    Prominent lawyers understood to be involved are Jolyon Maugham KC, founder of the Good Law Project, and Sir Geoffrey Bindman KC, chairman of the British Institute of Human Rights.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11896725/Fury-woke-barristers-refusing-prosecute-eco-warriors.html

    This sounds like a really bad idea, because lawyers with the opposite opinions may start doing the same sort of thing.
    You see, there are the good lawyers who represent good people, and the bad lawyers who represent bad people (or prosecute good people).
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