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CON MPs will do what’s best for their survival chances? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,018
edited March 2023 in General
imageCON MPs will do what’s best for their survival chances? – politicalbetting.com

As can be seen just about all the front page trail the big parliamentary event this afternoon when the privileges committee report on Johnson is discussed by the House.

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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    edited March 2023
    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,343
    As an aside, last week and this, I noticed a slight uptick in the number of people wearing masks in Sainsbury's.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,983
    Fishing said:

    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)

    I went out twice a day during the period we were supposed to go out once for exercise. Because I was home schooling, I wanted to use that time for exercise with my son, so I also went out for a run first thing in the morning, when there was no-one about. The runs kept me healthy-ish and sane-ish.

    I probably broke other rules accidentally as well; but that's the only one I deliberately and frequently broke.

    As an aside, a relative's GF's dad was seriously ill throughout the Covid period with cancer, and he had a reduced immune system. He told his daughter that she should live her life, and *not* see him. He would not feel hurt, or blame her, if he did not see her. It helped her a lot (he is now fairly healthy, thank goodness).
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,983
    Off-topic, and one for our rail and history fans.

    A little bit of silliness: the transport bookshop in Stamford publish regular photos of railway stations on their twitter feed, and ask people to identify where they are. I've never got one, but it's good fun. And boy, do some people have arcane knowledge of what places looked like 100 years or more ago...

    https://twitter.com/RHummBooks/status/1636809158455353344
    https://twitter.com/RHummBooks/status/1637230917432274944
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,325

    Fishing said:

    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)

    I went out twice a day during the period we were supposed to go out once for exercise. Because I was home schooling, I wanted to use that time for exercise with my son, so I also went out for a run first thing in the morning, when there was no-one about. The runs kept me healthy-ish and sane-ish.

    I probably broke other rules accidentally as well; but that's the only one I deliberately and frequently broke.

    As an aside, a relative's GF's dad was seriously ill throughout the Covid period with cancer, and he had a reduced immune system. He told his daughter that she should live her life, and *not* see him. He would not feel hurt, or blame her, if he did not see her. It helped her a lot (he is now fairly healthy, thank goodness).
    During lockdown three I went out for a long 20 mile walk with boots, a hi-viz vest and some engineering drawings via taking trains on Network Rail and buses.

    The idea was that if stopped I could simply say I was on my way to work, and hope the coppers wouldn't spot the drawings were of a completely different depot facility in East London.

    No-one cared actually.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,543
    For a moment I thought the Mail headline was "Bullshit Boris up for a Fight".

    It should be.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,264
    I spent half a day with Johnson when he was London mayor, and the sad thing is that his defence that unthinkingly he said and did whatever his junior officials told him, probably is true. My abiding memory of that day was the staggering extent to which he was dependent on his staff for telling him where he was and what he was supposed to be doing, minute by minute, like a schoolboy who needed his mum sitting behind him in class. Yet as soon as we encountered any members of the public it was like someone had flicked a switch and out came all the shtick that, back then, went down so well with the person in the street.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,264
    edited March 2023

    Fishing said:

    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)

    I went out twice a day during the period we were supposed to go out once for exercise. Because I was home schooling, I wanted to use that time for exercise with my son, so I also went out for a run first thing in the morning, when there was no-one about. The runs kept me healthy-ish and sane-ish.

    I probably broke other rules accidentally as well; but that's the only one I deliberately and frequently broke.

    As an aside, a relative's GF's dad was seriously ill throughout the Covid period with cancer, and he had a reduced immune system. He told his daughter that she should live her life, and *not* see him. He would not feel hurt, or blame her, if he did not see her. It helped her a lot (he is now fairly healthy, thank goodness).
    During lockdown three I went out for a long 20 mile walk with boots, a hi-viz vest and some engineering drawings via taking trains on Network Rail and buses.

    The idea was that if stopped I could simply say I was on my way to work, and hope the coppers wouldn't spot the drawings were of a completely different depot facility in East London.

    No-one cared actually.
    I got stopped in the park by a policeman and asked why I was there, and I saw some people sitting on a bench getting moved along. Having a dog was of course the crucial piece of evidence, and the dog being a free pass to be out walking the street probably paid a part in the upsurge of dog ownership that we saw during the pandemic.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    So Trump hasn’t been arrested yet?
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,970
    Johnson to vote against the Windsor protocol. Impotent tosser.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,419
    ydoethur said:

    So Trump hasn’t been arrested yet?

    Apparently not. Two possibilities suggest themselves.

    One is that the gods of popcorn are smiling on us, and we will get the humiliations of Boris and Don simultaneously. Presumably as a split screen thing. Sort of the title sequence of The Persuaders! if that show had been about two dodgy politicians, rather than renegade crime-fighters in the South of France.

    The other is than Don lied about his arrest to whip up a crowd.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001
    ydoethur said:

    So Trump hasn’t been arrested yet?

    I am shocked, shocked, etc.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited March 2023

    Johnson to vote against the Windsor protocol. Impotent tosser.

    I’m intrigued. If he’s impotent wouldn’t it be quite difficult to be a tosser?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,595
    I was out and about quite a lot during all the lockdowns, on my usual commute as I was working throughout. I think it was pretty strictly observed by the vast majority. I certainly saw nothing like the Downing St parties nor any social gatherings at work.
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    Boris Johnson's political career needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

    Even if this gifts Labour a seat- worth it.

    The greater gift to Labour would be to let him off lightly.

    Blow him away.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    IanB2 said:

    I spent half a day with Johnson when he was London mayor, and the sad thing is that his defence that unthinkingly he said and did whatever his junior officials told him, probably is true. My abiding memory of that day was the staggering extent to which he was dependent on his staff for telling him where he was and what he was supposed to be doing, minute by minute, like a schoolboy who needed his mum sitting behind him in class. Yet as soon as we encountered any members of the public it was like someone had flicked a switch and out came all the shtick that, back then, went down so well with the person in the street.

    Today Johnson will be working consistently for a longer period of time than he has ever worked before.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”
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    Johnson to vote against the Windsor protocol. Impotent tosser.

    Good morning

    Sunak has timed the vote during Johnson’s appearance at the committee this pm

    Sunak getting better at politics

    Inflation in unexpected rise to 10.4%
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,897
    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    As noted elsewhere, the chancellor in his last budget introduced a scheme that helps millionaires reduce tax on their pensions. Given that he himself will benefit from this, is that really a door the Tories want to push on?
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,419
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    As noted elsewhere, the chancellor in his last budget introduced a scheme that helps millionaires reduce tax on their pensions. Given that he himself will benefit from this, is that really a door the Tories want to push on?
    We're back to whether the Conservative Press is really acting in the interests of the Conservative Government right now. Given that they are continuing to loudly push the "Boris Is Innocent" line, one has to wonder.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,893
    Strange that Johnson will vote against the Windsor deal. Surely not the day to be antagonising people?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,543
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    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Conservative legislation which does not seem to have much benefitted him, since it's reported that his pension fund is of insufficient size.
    But it did get MoonRabbit very excited.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,543
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    I was out and about quite a lot during all the lockdowns, on my usual commute as I was working throughout. I think it was pretty strictly observed by the vast majority. I certainly saw nothing like the Downing St parties nor any social gatherings at work.

    Are you suggesting that Michael Fabricant, who said all doctors, nurses and teachers were having boozy parties every day, is a liar?

    I mean, how could you even suggest such a thing?
    Yes, by the hair on his head, that would be an outrage.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Keep hold of that straw!
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    Eabhal said:

    Strange that Johnson will vote against the Windsor deal. Surely not the day to be antagonising people?

    I was told by a former Tory SPAD that Boris Johnson's supporters are telling Tory MPs (and some activists) that kicking Boris Johnson out of Parliament is the first step to reversing Brexit.

    Brexit needs it leader in Parliament, so goes his logic.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,264

    Fishing said:

    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)

    I think I followed all the rules - I didn't find them especially onerous, having a garden and a houseful of people and being able to WFH helped of course in terms of staying sane, and I don't begrudge people who bent them a bit in order to maintain their mental health. I do think the government should be able to do things like this in the face of a pandemic, and so I'm not going to criticise the lockdown rules too much - especially at the start when we really didn't know what we were dealing with. Johnson is a congenital liar and seducer who should never have been let near Downing Street. I don't mind if it's the lockdown related lying that's brought him down, but he's done far worse.
    For many the trial of the small lie is proxy for all the big lies he told and got away with.
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    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,264

    Johnson to vote against the Windsor protocol. Impotent tosser.

    Inflation in unexpected rise to 10.4%
    A curved ball for the interest rate committee, then…
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658

    Boris Johnson's political career needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

    Even if this gifts Labour a seat- worth it.

    The greater gift to Labour would be to let him off lightly.

    Blow him away.
    I agree, I don't think Labour will be too upset deep down if Johnson only gets a light sanction. Even better for them if a stronger sanction is recommended and voted down by Tory MPs.
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    Eabhal said:

    Strange that Johnson will vote against the Windsor deal. Surely not the day to be antagonising people?

    I was told by a former Tory SPAD that Boris Johnson's supporters are telling Tory MPs (and some activists) that kicking Boris Johnson out of Parliament is the first step to reversing Brexit.

    Brexit needs it leader in Parliament, so goes his logic.
    Sounds highly likely
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,365
    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    That is genuine WTAF

    Look, I know we live in the post Mass Production age. Where, while everything is mass produced to high quality, hand made is about luxury.

    So people love a Riva Aquarama, despite a plastic boat being faster, easier to maintain, cheaper etc

    But personalised laws?!

    I’m imagining a Barristers Chambers, all oak panelling and the muzac in the waiting room is the sledge hammer tick of the clock. You are ushered into the consulting room, where a huge folio of previous personalised laws is presented to you.

    The first entry is one to revoke one of the outlawries of Sweyn “The Swine*” Godwinson

    *He really, really was
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    Nigelb said:

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    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Conservative legislation which does not seem to have much benefitted him, since it's reported that his pension fund is of insufficient size.
    But it did get MoonRabbit very excited.
    I reckon the Tories should retrospectively change the rules, so Starmer gets taxed for a benefit he hasn't saved enough for.

    Oh wait, there will be some rich Conservative backers who would get very antsy at that idea.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,365

    Nigelb said:

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    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Conservative legislation which does not seem to have much benefitted him, since it's reported that his pension fund is of insufficient size.
    But it did get MoonRabbit very excited.
    I reckon the Tories should retrospectively change the rules, so Starmer gets taxed for a benefit he hasn't saved enough for.

    Oh wait, there will be some rich Conservative backers who would get very antsy at that idea.
    Retrospective laws are always a bad idea. Always.

    That being said, I think this means that Labour will not be campaigns on personal taxation of politicians.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,893
    Inflation up! That's a bit of a surprise.

    Fwiw (anecdotal, so not much), all the economic stuff is finally catching up with people. I'm in the process of re-mortgaging (35% increase), council tax increase has arrived, energy support coming to an end.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,543
    Interesting article, which goes beyond the headline pointing out the lack of spare parts for much of the captured kit.

    Ukrainians are riding tanks captured from an elite Russian unit into battle in Bakhmut, but their new gear may not last long
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-is-using-captured-russian-tanks-but-faces-logistic-issues-2023-3
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    Eabhal said:

    Strange that Johnson will vote against the Windsor deal. Surely not the day to be antagonising people?

    Sunak should use Johnson's own tactics and remove the whip from him and the other Tory rebels.
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    Has Sunak published his tax returns yet.

    There's no way the Tories win a battle of the tax affairs of the leaders.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,595

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Conservative legislation which does not seem to have much benefitted him, since it's reported that his pension fund is of insufficient size.
    But it did get MoonRabbit very excited.
    I reckon the Tories should retrospectively change the rules, so Starmer gets taxed for a benefit he hasn't saved enough for.

    Oh wait, there will be some rich Conservative backers who would get very antsy at that idea.
    The LTA wouldn't just be on his DPP pension, but also on his MPs pension with a 1/40 accrual rate and any private pension.

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,365

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited March 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
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    OldBasingOldBasing Posts: 168
    Eabhal said:

    Inflation up! That's a bit of a surprise.

    Fwiw (anecdotal, so not much), all the economic stuff is finally catching up with people. I'm in the process of re-mortgaging (35% increase), council tax increase has arrived, energy support coming to an end.

    Not a surprise for anyone who goes to a supermarket. But yep, I'm now looking at the end to the £400 fuel payment (so that's my gas/electric up £67 a month), council tax bill has just landed, up 5%; water bill also set to rise, plus the mobile phone and broadband increases. Fortunately I remortgaged last June on a five year fixed rate. This is why I don't think the government benefits any time soon - a lot of these increases are a slow burn and more and more people will be coming off fixed mortgage rates and also fixed fuel deals as the months go by. The food inflation thing the real killer - ONS says its running at 18%. Not great for their pensioner core vote.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,365

    Fishing said:

    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)

    I think I followed all the rules - I didn't find them especially onerous, having a garden and a houseful of people and being able to WFH helped of course in terms of staying sane, and I don't begrudge people who bent them a bit in order to maintain their mental health. I do think the government should be able to do things like this in the face of a pandemic, and so I'm not going to criticise the lockdown rules too much - especially at the start when we really didn't know what we were dealing with. Johnson is a congenital liar and seducer who should never have been let near Downing Street. I don't mind if it's the lockdown related lying that's brought him down, but he's done far worse.
    The lockdown was, in some ways, an improvement for people with a good house, a family just were the right ages fit living at home and good jobs.

    WFH bought quite a few working couples back together.

    For the people living on their own in rabbit hutch one bed flats, it was a disaster. I’ve got a couple of friends who didn’t adapt well and are still showing major effects, now.

    Johnson is toast.
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    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Some wise fellow said in a recent PB thread header that inflation is economic gonorrhoea.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,543

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,236

    Johnson to vote against the Windsor protocol. Impotent tosser.

    Just in case Rishi was willing to raise a pinkie to help him? The man has a death wish so far as his career is concerned. Or maybe he's just not bothered anymore having mentally moved on.

    I am ambivalent about today's hearing. On the one hand I feel that Boris has already paid a heavy price for his lies. He lost the job he had earned with a terrific election victory, a job he has wanted all his life. On the other the convention that Ministers, up to and including the PM, have to do their very best to be truthful in the Commons is an important one and needs to be reinforced so no one is tempted again. After all Blair and his weapons of mass destruction and the dodgy dossier were a very bad precedent indeed.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,365
    edited March 2023
    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    Not so sure - it’s an interesting model to consider. You have the wave of energy prices moving through the economy. Due to hedging, fixed price deals etc, this isn’t all at once. Then you have the waves from China and the interruptions to trade. Then Brexit related stuff. All arriving at different times.

    These then kickoff prices rises, which kickoff wage rises, which kick off more price rises.

    Some things, like housing costs, are over the longer term, so tend to be sticky. Your rent tends not to change over 6-12 months etc.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,595
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    I doubt it. He was DPP for 5 years, so 5/80 of final salary if similar to the CS scheme. Perhaps a pension of £12 500 year. I calculate that as a pension pot of just under £300 000.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,832
    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    You would. The price I notice most is tfe cost of filling up my car.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited March 2023
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    I doubt it. He was DPP for 5 years, so 5/80 of final salary if similar to the CS scheme. Perhaps a pension of £12 500 year. I calculate that as a pension pot of just under £300 000.
    Ok, that's interestingly different from the old teacher pension scheme.

    Of course, if they tried to reform the cap retrospectively the people who would get most clobbered are train drivers...
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,365
    Nigelb said:

    Interesting article, which goes beyond the headline pointing out the lack of spare parts for much of the captured kit.

    Ukrainians are riding tanks captured from an elite Russian unit into battle in Bakhmut, but their new gear may not last long
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-is-using-captured-russian-tanks-but-faces-logistic-issues-2023-3

    There’s a long and interesting history of the usage of captured vehicles.

    The primary tanks of the Germans in WWI were captured British tanks!

    Given the ex-Soviet descended vehicles on both sides share common origins, it will be much easier than some previous situations.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,345

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Some wise fellow said in a recent PB thread header that inflation is economic gonorrhoea.
    More like herpes as you cannot entirely eradicate it.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Somewhat ironic if Sunak fails on the one promise that looked an absolute banker "We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security."

    More seriously CPI has been above 9% for nearly a year now and, as you imply, there must be a danger it becomes self-propelling.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    You would. The price I notice most is tfe cost of filling up my car.
    Found a garage where diesel is 151p per litre.

    The snag is it's in the middle (and I do mean the middle) of Wolverhampton.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,595
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    I doubt it. He was DPP for 5 years, so 5/80 of final salary if similar to the CS scheme. Perhaps a pension of £12 500 year. I calculate that as a pension pot of just under £300 000.
    Ok, that's interestingly different from the old teacher pension scheme.

    Of course, if they tried to reform the cap retrospectively the people who would get most clobbered are train drivers...
    Even if the accrual rate is higher, at 1/60 or 1/40 (like the MPs one) it is not a LTA busting pension pot.

    Though a lot would depend on what other pensions he has.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Somewhat ironic if Sunak fails on the one promise that looked an absolute banker "We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security."

    More seriously CPI has been above 9% for nearly a year now and, as you imply, there must be a danger it becomes self-propelling.
    Also, halving inflation would still mean prices were climbing at north of 5% per year.

    Unless we have major deflation the cost of living isn't going to be eased.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,236
    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    You would. The price I notice most is tfe cost of filling up my car.
    Yes, did that a couple of days ago and it was about £15 off the peak.

    What this number shows is how difficult it is to get the inflation genie back in the bottle once it has been let out. I think the forecasts of inflation at 2.7% or whatever by the end of the year will prove to be optimistic.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
    Nigelb said:

    Interesting article, which goes beyond the headline pointing out the lack of spare parts for much of the captured kit.

    Ukrainians are riding tanks captured from an elite Russian unit into battle in Bakhmut, but their new gear may not last long
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-is-using-captured-russian-tanks-but-faces-logistic-issues-2023-3

    That’s a good piece, although the story is the familiar one of needing to ensure supply lines of spare parts and consumables, for equipment on the front lines.

    Russian tanks of a type not operated by Ukraine, will only have a limited lifetime when operated by Ukraine in the field, as opposed to for example the T72s operated by both sides, albeit with some differences.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,595
    ydoethur said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Somewhat ironic if Sunak fails on the one promise that looked an absolute banker "We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security."

    More seriously CPI has been above 9% for nearly a year now and, as you imply, there must be a danger it becomes self-propelling.
    Also, halving inflation would still mean prices were climbing at north of 5% per year.

    Unless we have major deflation the cost of living isn't going to be eased.
    We were assured yesterday that McDonalds lowering the price of some burgers showed inflation was beaten. How could PB get it so wrong?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting article, which goes beyond the headline pointing out the lack of spare parts for much of the captured kit.

    Ukrainians are riding tanks captured from an elite Russian unit into battle in Bakhmut, but their new gear may not last long
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-is-using-captured-russian-tanks-but-faces-logistic-issues-2023-3

    That’s a good piece, although the story is the familiar one of needing to ensure supply lines of spare parts and consumables, for equipment on the front lines.

    Russian tanks of a type not operated by Ukraine, will only have a limited lifetime when operated by Ukraine in the field, as opposed to for example the T72s operated by both sides, albeit with some differences.
    Russian tanks in Ukraine seem to have a fairly short lifespan whoever's operating them.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,345
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    You would. The price I notice most is tfe cost of filling up my car.
    Found a garage where diesel is 151p per litre.

    The snag is it's in the middle (and I do mean the middle) of Wolverhampton.
    You have to factor in the cost of getting g there. That price is about on the money afaik. All the other stations are ripping you off. Shell near me is 172.9 ffs cheapest is tesco in Shoreham at 164.9
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Somewhat ironic if Sunak fails on the one promise that looked an absolute banker "We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security."

    More seriously CPI has been above 9% for nearly a year now and, as you imply, there must be a danger it becomes self-propelling.
    Also, halving inflation would still mean prices were climbing at north of 5% per year.

    Unless we have major deflation the cost of living isn't going to be eased.
    We were assured yesterday that McDonalds lowering the price of some burgers showed inflation was beaten. How could PB get it so wrong?
    They're lowering the prices of burgers?

    So they've started selling burgers instead of grilled cardboard?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    You would. The price I notice most is tfe cost of filling up my car.
    Found a garage where diesel is 151p per litre.

    The snag is it's in the middle (and I do mean the middle) of Wolverhampton.
    You have to factor in the cost of getting g there. That price is about on the money afaik. All the other stations are ripping you off. Shell near me is 172.9 ffs cheapest is tesco in Shoreham at 164.9
    I drive past it three days a week...
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    edited March 2023
    ydoethur said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Somewhat ironic if Sunak fails on the one promise that looked an absolute banker "We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security."

    More seriously CPI has been above 9% for nearly a year now and, as you imply, there must be a danger it becomes self-propelling.
    Also, halving inflation would still mean prices were climbing at north of 5% per year.

    Unless we have major deflation the cost of living isn't going to be eased.
    I do wonder whether a more extreme approach might have helped last year.

    For example, cutting VAT to 10% for a period would have given a one-off reduction in inflation that would have helped dramatically reduce the increase in benefits and taken some of the pressure of pay demands. The rate could then be eased back up again when inflation is under control.

    I don't know by how much a 1% change in the VAT rate affects inflation.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    He was head of DPP for 5 years on a salary of less than £200,000 PA. How could he build a pension pot of anywhere near £1,000,000?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,137
    Fishing said:

    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)

    I did but that’s largely because I have no friends. I had no opportunity to break the rules. I honestly can’t think of a single occasion when I did but that’s not to be all holier than thou - I just never got the opportunity.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,325
    Interesting Veiculo Longo on the M25 this morning.

    Maybe it means something different in Portuguese.


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    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Outrageous that facts would get in the way of the PB inflation experts. "Look, prices are coming down!" they would tell me every time I would show how prices are going up.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.
    Brent Crude is down 9% year to date, which should feed into transport costs over time; but once companies start raising prices rather than absorbing higher costs, they rarely ever come back down as costs fall. Will be interesting to see if McDonald’s actually cut prices like-for-like.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    ydoethur said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Somewhat ironic if Sunak fails on the one promise that looked an absolute banker "We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security."

    More seriously CPI has been above 9% for nearly a year now and, as you imply, there must be a danger it becomes self-propelling.
    Also, halving inflation would still mean prices were climbing at north of 5% per year.

    Unless we have major deflation the cost of living isn't going to be eased.
    Just looking again at those 5 promises again, Sunak could potentially fail on all bar the 'passing new laws to stop the boats' - and he will look ridiculous even on that one if the new laws don't stop the boats.

    We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security.

    We will grow the economy, creating better-paid jobs and opportunity right across the country.

    We will make sure our national debt is falling so that we can secure the future of public services.

    NHS waiting lists will fall and people will get the care they need more quickly.

    We will pass new laws to stop small boats, making sure that if you come to this country illegally, you are detained and swiftly removed.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,501
    ydoethur said:

    Johnson to vote against the Windsor protocol. Impotent tosser.

    I’m intrigued. If he’s impotent wouldn’t it be quite difficult to be a tosser?
    Perhaps he's just a tryer.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    He was head of DPP for 5 years on a salary of less than £200,000 PA. How could he build a pension pot of anywhere near £1,000,000?
    Because there were some final salary schemes based on the three best years. Not on accrual rates or fractions of payments.

    However, it might depend on whether there were minimum qualifying years and what they were. Since he was on in effect a fixed term contract there might have been clauses in his contract given him special treatment. 'Take a smaller salary and have a fecking massive pension' is a trick I've seen used for academy chain chief executives (for example) and several of them do it simply to have a massive pension as a result.

    Put it this way, it doesn't seem impossible to me, although it's perhaps not the likeliest outcome.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,236
    What these headlines do show is that Boris is still box office, far more colourful and interesting than the technocrat Rishi or the automaton SKS or indeed anyone else in British politics.

    Personally, I think this is a distraction now. The Casey report really needed to be more than a 1 day wonder. We have many serious issues to address and Boris, above all, is not serious.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,983
    Nigelb said:

    Interesting article, which goes beyond the headline pointing out the lack of spare parts for much of the captured kit.

    Ukrainians are riding tanks captured from an elite Russian unit into battle in Bakhmut, but their new gear may not last long
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-is-using-captured-russian-tanks-but-faces-logistic-issues-2023-3

    The article states that there will be problems with spares, ammunition and gun barrels. When it comes to spares for engines, sights etc, the the Ukrainians have a large homegrown tank industry. Whilst the war has damaged this, it's still capable. In addition, countries like Poland have a long history of radically updating their ex-Soviet tanks (albeit T-72).

    In addition, the Ukrainians have already been converting captured tanks for other purposes.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/02/13/the-ukrainians-are-converting-worthless-russian-tanks-into-priceless-engineering-vehicles
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191

    Interesting Veiculo Longo on the M25 this morning.

    Maybe it means something different in Portuguese.


    He's an official of the DfT expressing his views on HS2. As it's a collective effort there was no place for 'I' in it.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    He was head of DPP for 5 years on a salary of less than £200,000 PA. How could he build a pension pot of anywhere near £1,000,000?
    Pensions are strange things. I worked for Nat West Bank for two years in the mid 80's, earning £3500 per year. the total contributions to my pension was £249.00 Four years ago the company who administer the pension found me. The transfer value of my pension at that time was £51,000.00. It came as quite a shock
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,501
    edited March 2023

    Boris Johnson's political career needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

    Even if this gifts Labour a seat- worth it.

    The greater gift to Labour would be to let him off lightly.

    Blow him away.
    I'm in agreement there.

    Deselection for 2024 sounds a good idea if expulsion sooner does not happen, but I'm not sure the Tories are well set up to do that.

    Given this Govt they may prefer to delegate the execution to the Electorate.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    He was head of DPP for 5 years on a salary of less than £200,000 PA. How could he build a pension pot of anywhere near £1,000,000?
    The £1m issue is not just his time as DPP, it’s the total pension pot accumulated over a lifetime. Half the people affected by this limit work in the public sector, including doctors who might earn £100k for 25 or 30 years.

    The actual exemption given to KS, was the same as that given to judges, many of whom work past usual retirement age. It’s just highly amusing that he had a law written in his name, especially when he was criticising the government over legislation to which he has a personal opt-out.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    I doubt it. He was DPP for 5 years, so 5/80 of final salary if similar to the CS scheme. Perhaps a pension of £12 500 year. I calculate that as a pension pot of just under £300 000.
    Sorry I've just repeated your post. It's usually 20% of earnings which would give you around £200,000 if you were self employed so I guess similar if you are employed. I'm surprised Sandpit as an accountant didn't know that!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,832
    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    You would. The price I notice most is tfe cost of filling up my car.
    Yes, did that a couple of days ago and it was about £15 off the peak.

    What this number shows is how difficult it is to get the inflation genie back in the bottle once it has been let out. I think the forecasts of inflation at 2.7% or whatever by the end of the year will prove to be optimistic.
    It’s probably still a safe bet. Wholesale price inflation is falling very rapidly now.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871
    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I'm not sure that "just about all of us" followed pandemic rules, certainly not all of them. People may self-righteously tell pollsters they did, and if they were old and felt in danger they may well have, but many of my younger friends (and I as it happens) kept the few we felt made sense and ignored the rest.

    (And at the other end of the spectrum is a young, healthy friend of mine who was so terrified of infecting his parents that he locked himself away for two years. There was a wide spread of reactions)

    I went out twice a day during the period we were supposed to go out once for exercise. Because I was home schooling, I wanted to use that time for exercise with my son, so I also went out for a run first thing in the morning, when there was no-one about. The runs kept me healthy-ish and sane-ish.

    I probably broke other rules accidentally as well; but that's the only one I deliberately and frequently broke.

    As an aside, a relative's GF's dad was seriously ill throughout the Covid period with cancer, and he had a reduced immune system. He told his daughter that she should live her life, and *not* see him. He would not feel hurt, or blame her, if he did not see her. It helped her a lot (he is now fairly healthy, thank goodness).
    During lockdown three I went out for a long 20 mile walk with boots, a hi-viz vest and some engineering drawings via taking trains on Network Rail and buses.

    The idea was that if stopped I could simply say I was on my way to work, and hope the coppers wouldn't spot the drawings were of a completely different depot facility in East London.

    No-one cared actually.
    I got stopped in the park by a policeman and asked why I was there, and I saw some people sitting on a bench getting moved along. Having a dog was of course the crucial piece of evidence, and the dog being a free pass to be out walking the street probably paid a part in the upsurge of dog ownership that we saw during the pandemic.
    Many will have been dumped afterwards
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,419
    MattW said:

    Boris Johnson's political career needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

    Even if this gifts Labour a seat- worth it.

    The greater gift to Labour would be to let him off lightly.

    Blow him away.
    I'm in agreement there.

    Deselection for 2024 sounds a good idea if expulsion sooner does not happen, but I'm not sure the Tories are well set up to do that.

    Given this Govt they may prefer to delegate the execution to the Electorate.
    Reselected last week;

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64986948

    Odd timing given the cloud over him; postponing the decision would surely have been more prudent.

    But highlights the Conservative problem. Those who still worship him, still worship him.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,595
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    He was head of DPP for 5 years on a salary of less than £200,000 PA. How could he build a pension pot of anywhere near £1,000,000?
    Because there were some final salary schemes based on the three best years. Not on accrual rates or fractions of payments.

    However, it might depend on whether there were minimum qualifying years and what they were. Since he was on in effect a fixed term contract there might have been clauses in his contract given him special treatment. 'Take a smaller salary and have a fecking massive pension' is a trick I've seen used for academy chain chief executives (for example) and several of them do it simply to have a massive pension as a result.

    Put it this way, it doesn't seem impossible to me, although it's perhaps not the likeliest outcome.
    The closed 1995 NHS pension scheme was the best of the final 3 years salary, but in a job like DPP that is likely to be fairly similar over those years. Unless the accrual rate is outlandish then there is no way that it breaches the LTA on its own. It depends on what other pensions are in the pot.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    I doubt it. He was DPP for 5 years, so 5/80 of final salary if similar to the CS scheme. Perhaps a pension of £12 500 year. I calculate that as a pension pot of just under £300 000.
    Sorry I've just repeated your post. It's usually 20% of earnings which would give you around £200,000 if you were self employed so I guess similar if you are employed. I'm surprised Sandpit as an accountant didn't know that!
    He’s right, even if he’s an IT guy rather than an accountant.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,735
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    He was head of DPP for 5 years on a salary of less than £200,000 PA. How could he build a pension pot of anywhere near £1,000,000?
    The £1m issue is not just his time as DPP, it’s the total pension pot accumulated over a lifetime. Half the people affected by this limit work in the public sector, including doctors who might earn £100k for 25 or 30 years.

    The actual exemption given to KS, was the same as that given to judges, many of whom work past usual retirement age. It’s just highly amusing that he had a law written in his name, especially when he was criticising the government over legislation to which he has a personal opt-out.
    Is there a Geordie HRMC to investigate?
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,718
    edited March 2023
    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well done to whoever at the Telegraph uncovered the existence of a Statutory Instrument named:

    “The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013”

    Did Starmer make a pension pot of more than £1,000,000 when his salary was under £200,000 a year? Seems unlikely.

    More likely a last ditch BORISGRAPH diversion from their champion's crookery.
    Without knowing the details, wouldn't it depend on the scheme?

    If it was a final salary scheme, and his pension would be (say) £120,000 as a result, that's crudely a private sector equivalent pension pot from the time of around £4 million.
    He was head of DPP for 5 years on a salary of less than £200,000 PA. How could he build a pension pot of anywhere near £1,000,000?
    Not sure - DB or DC? When was he there? The Annual Allowance which restricts pension conts didn't come in (at a "low" level) until 2011 when it was set at £50k gross. Before then someone on £200k could put £200k into a pension if desired - more likely just the amount over and above the higher tax rate. Five years of high contributions plus growth could get him to £1m.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Wondering what Boris plan is. Smell a bit of a Churchill wilderness years strategy. It’s very symmetrical with Labour. Has there been an election, where the two previous leaders have been kicked out?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    Speaking of inflation, my gym subscription goes up in a couple of weeks. They haven't said by how much yet, though.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,191
    edited March 2023
    Jonathan said:

    Wondering what Boris plan is. Smell a bit of a Churchill wilderness years strategy. It’s very symmetrical with Labour. Has there been an election, where the two previous leaders have been kicked out?

    You think he will have an actual plan?

    That really is a triumph of hope over experience.

    Edit - in answer to your question, I can't think of any example since 1868. Since the previous election in 1865 there had been Palmerston (died) Russell (sacked) Derby (retired) and Disraeli (defeated).

    You have Salisbury, Balfour and Campbell-Bannerman in 1900-06 but Parliament didn't meet between Balfour resigning and Campbell-Bannerman dissolving it.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,871

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    You've never had it so good.

    The cost of living unexpectedly increased last month after three consecutive months of easing, driven by dining out and food price rises.

    Inflation, which measures the increase in the price of something over time, jumped to 10.4% in the year to February from 10.1% in January.

    Food costs rose at their fastest rate for 45 years with higher costs for some salads and vegetables in particular.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65026231

    Once inflation is in the system, it lasts far longer than the primary cause. That is why inflation has been hard to beat, every time, previously.
    Nonetheless you might have expected falling energy prices to make some difference.


    You would. The price I notice most is tfe cost of filling up my car.
    Found a garage where diesel is 151p per litre.

    The snag is it's in the middle (and I do mean the middle) of Wolverhampton.
    You have to factor in the cost of getting g there. That price is about on the money afaik. All the other stations are ripping you off. Shell near me is 172.9 ffs cheapest is tesco in Shoreham at 164.9
    Here it varies 152 - 163, it is blatant robbery by petrol stations. Lucky I only fill up every 4-6 weeks as I have the extended 75 litre tank, so can do it at best possible prices when it suits.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,595
    OldBasing said:

    Eabhal said:

    Inflation up! That's a bit of a surprise.

    Fwiw (anecdotal, so not much), all the economic stuff is finally catching up with people. I'm in the process of re-mortgaging (35% increase), council tax increase has arrived, energy support coming to an end.

    Not a surprise for anyone who goes to a supermarket. But yep, I'm now looking at the end to the £400 fuel payment (so that's my gas/electric up £67 a month), council tax bill has just landed, up 5%; water bill also set to rise, plus the mobile phone and broadband increases. Fortunately I remortgaged last June on a five year fixed rate. This is why I don't think the government benefits any time soon - a lot of these increases are a slow burn and more and more people will be coming off fixed mortgage rates and also fixed fuel deals as the months go by. The food inflation thing the real killer - ONS says its running at 18%. Not great for their pensioner core vote.
    Doing my sums on interest rates, utilities etc, I am about £1 000 per month worse off this year than the same month last year.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,884
    DavidL said:

    What these headlines do show is that Boris is still box office, far more colourful and interesting than the technocrat Rishi or the automaton SKS or indeed anyone else in British politics.

    Personally, I think this is a distraction now. The Casey report really needed to be more than a 1 day wonder. We have many serious issues to address and Boris, above all, is not serious.

    Glad it’s not just me who can’t be bothered with this one. The guy lost his job, and we should all be able to move on. There’s an enquiry ongoing, which will report back in a non-political way.

    We see from the US what happens when petty politics goes too far, with a former president potentially about to get arrested for a minor misdemeanour, just so the opposing party can get a mugshot or a perp walk.

    Anyway, work to do, that new server won’t configure itself. Laters.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Only country in G7 with inflation above 10%.

    I wonder when this Brexit yoke will be removed from the UK's neck? Time for Starmer to become proactive and start asking questions of this Brexit government before they slink off blame free. The UK is a shambles. People sleeping in shop doorways and beggars on every street corner
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