Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Although I am a Baggie, my neighbour was a BlueNose. They were in the second division and Villa in the third, so aged around 10 or 12 we would be dropped off at St Andrews and my friend's dad would head off to Villa Park. I went to see a game, but have never had anything but disdain for the Blues, but I remember seeing Trevor Francis as a 16 year old apprentice, and. I could tell he was a cut above. Trev had an exemplary record and was also heading for a career clean sheet until quite late in his career, a bought foul from Billy Sharp saw red.
Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.
TIA
That took a bit of working out, but you can’t take a ‘quick’ lineout with a new ball. If you take a new ball there has to be a ‘formal’ lineout. Presumably to prevent home-team ballboys asssisting in quick line outs.
It does seem rather harsh not to let the try stand though, given that it was scored by the other team.
A good first half of rugby, from the point of view of a neutral observer.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.
TIA
That took a bit of working out, but you can’t take a ‘quick’ lineout with a new ball. If you take a new ball there has to be a ‘formal’ lineout. Presumably to prevent home-team ballboys asssisting in quick line outs.
It does seem rather harsh not to let the try stand though, given that it was scored by the other team.
A good first half of rugby, from the point of view of a neutral observer.
Ah that makes perfect sense thanks and yes a bit harsh given that it was a Scotland infraction.
Kate Forbes, the nationalist MSP bidding to be Scotland’s youngest ever first minister, has signalled it could be years before a fresh independence vote is held because the case for it is not yet persuasive enough.
She told the Guardian in an interview that the Scottish National party had to put much greater emphasis on slowly persuading unionists to support independence, by first using Holyrood’s existing economic powers to prove Scotland can flourish.
Forbes, the Scottish government’s finance secretary, said it would be counterproductive to follow Nicola Sturgeon’s strategy of repeatedly setting target dates for a second independence referendum.
“It’s not possible to say and I won’t give you a timescale,” Forbes said when asked what her target date was.
The way a government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it. - Tony Benn
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Okay, next question. How is SKS to blame?
He is not but his first instinct was to pick the wrong side before changing sides
You are making that up BJO. Yvette was unwise early on, as was white van lady. If Starmer waited to see how the wind blew he is smarter than I thought. Jezza would have gone in studs up, before finding the Council of Deputies view on the affair.
Our world cup chances already were mininal and nil, and minimal just left town. I went down to the local club and found them as gloomy as me. Losing at Twickenham to Scotland was bad enough, but having your arse handed back on a plate by France was too much.
I am now an Ireland supporter, joining my in-laws to celebrate Paddy's day, and I look forward to another Irish celebration later this year.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
Couldn't possibly do worse than Spielman did.
{a scale model of a comprehensive rises out of the floor}
“Man has climbed Mount Everest, gone to the bottom of the ocean. He's fired rockets at the Moon, split the atom, achieved miracles in every field of human endeavour... EXCEPT EDUCATION!”
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
Couldn't possibly do worse than Spielman did.
{a scale model of a comprehensive rises out of the floor}
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
How many times did Lineker actually tackle someone? Once a game?
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
People said the same of Colin Cowdrey - that he walked, when he was out in a county match and it wouldn't matter much, so umpires would think if he didn't walk in say, an Ashes test he wasn't out.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
How many times did Lineker actually tackle someone? Once a game?
Well, he's very keen to tackle the government now, so perhaps he thinks he's making up for it.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
With Mr Cummings as Odd Job?
He's 50% of the way there, but there he's stuck. Nobody will give him a job.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
In 2000 (I think) they got David Elleray to re-referee the 1970 FA Cup under current rules.
I think he showed 8 red cards and 20 yellow cards.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
With Mr Cummings as Odd Job?
He's 50% of the way there, but there he's stuck. Nobody will give him a job.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
With Mr Cummings as Odd Job?
He's 50% of the way there, but there he's stuck. Nobody will give him a job.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
With Mr Cummings as Odd Job?
He's 50% of the way there, but there he's stuck. Nobody will give him a job.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
With Mr Cummings as Odd Job?
He's 50% of the way there, but there he's stuck. Nobody will give him a job.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
With Mr Cummings as Odd Job?
He's 50% of the way there, but there he's stuck. Nobody will give him a job.
Susanna Reid says he would have to beat off a lot of men
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
Is it Scotterdaemerung? Probably not. But it makes fo ra more interesting ride than usual.
People should read Wings Over Scotland though, purely for entertainment value if nothing else - he's always so angry about everything it is quite amusing.
Gina Miller @thatginamiller · 3h I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
What would Gina Miller know?
Tories definitely gone to defense from offense
Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.
The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
SPECTRE must have a considerable tolerance for failure. Their success rates rival those of DfE schemes.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
With Mr Cummings as Odd Job?
He's 50% of the way there, but there he's stuck. Nobody will give him a job.
Susanna Reid says he would have to beat off a lot of men
Why? Because (according to my pet theory) Scottish National Party has dropped in polling, to benefit of Labour, mainly due to the current leadership vacuum & election (or visa versa?)
Note that Labour's dramatic slide from popularity & then power in Scotland, began after the death of Donald Dewar, who IIRC was regarded as a strong leader, in contrast to his SLAB successors.
Further note that rise of SNP was achieved under two strong leaders, the King Fish and then the Queen Fish.
Far from Caledonia, would appear that the current gaggle of hopefuls to replace Nicola Sturgeon are more in the minnow category, with proviso that Little Fish can sometimes grow into Big Fish. PROVIDED they do NOT get et by some other hungry fishy swimming the same troubled waters.
The way a government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it. - Tony Benn
I don't think that is actually true, since they treat refugees (and prisoners, amongst others) roughly because they think it will be popular with the rest of us, it's not out of a desire to treat people shittily most of the time. But the first part about the way we treat the vulnerable being instructive is certainly true.
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT - Note that, in the United States, those parts of the country that observe Day Light Savings time, began observing it this morning, when 2pm was magically transformed into 3pm.
Or, was we say, we SPRANG FORWARD.
As a consequence, UK time is now +4 hours ahead of New York (EDT) and +7 ahead of Seattle (PDT).
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Oh yes it has truth but people with left wing views aren't extra especially prone to it. Its attribution to the modern left was probably first dreamt up by some pundit in the drivelpipe and it was one of those that took off. There's little one can do once this happens.
I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.
In another word, Swinsony.
Hmm, ok, sort of, but I'm going to stick to mine. Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
Trussy.
Truss managed to do one thing right, she shocked us out of our complacency and managed national decline by pointing at the very real issue that the UK is becoming a low growth zone.
She certainly shocked us, I'll give you that!
But has her tenure left us wised-up and energized, thus better placed to achieve higher sustainable growth? Rather the opposite, I fear.
Well it's forced Hunt into full expensing of investment against corporation tax. That move has been rejected by the treasury as "too expensive" and lefties as "corporate welfare" for as long as I can remember. That he's being forced to implement it is a victory for Truss IMO and it will push up business investment and GDP by a pretty decent amount.
If the measure comes on Wednesday it will represent a significant change to the UK business environment. Previously we've had measly £250k capital allowances or the narrow super deduction. Full expensing opens up the firehose of cash companies have been sitting on.
What I'd love to see on top is a £50bn energy and industrial security fund for matched investment in economic resilience.
That could be a good policy if the net impact is genuinely productive investment rather than tax fiddling and corporate profits boosted at the expense of the exchequer - hope so and let's see. But putting a big pro-Truss angle on it seems rather generous. A bit like those 'Corbyn won the argument' takes that used to go around in my circles to cushion the pain.
There's a lot more chance of that working than there is for cutting corporation tax.
Kate Forbes, the nationalist MSP bidding to be Scotland’s youngest ever first minister, has signalled it could be years before a fresh independence vote is held because the case for it is not yet persuasive enough.
She told the Guardian in an interview that the Scottish National party had to put much greater emphasis on slowly persuading unionists to support independence, by first using Holyrood’s existing economic powers to prove Scotland can flourish.
Forbes, the Scottish government’s finance secretary, said it would be counterproductive to follow Nicola Sturgeon’s strategy of repeatedly setting target dates for a second independence referendum.
“It’s not possible to say and I won’t give you a timescale,” Forbes said when asked what her target date was.
For a politician to display this amount of truthfulness and idealism combined with personal views unpopular with self regarding media folk is a phenomenon.
I have a high regard for her but am a unionist. On normal laws it would be impossible for her to win the leadership on such a ticket - memberships really are that dim. But Scots who actually want independence and serious people should look at her carefully. Hers is the only route to it which would make it work.
I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.
In another word, Swinsony.
Hmm, ok, sort of, but I'm going to stick to mine. Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
Trussy.
Truss managed to do one thing right, she shocked us out of our complacency and managed national decline by pointing at the very real issue that the UK is becoming a low growth zone.
She certainly shocked us, I'll give you that!
But has her tenure left us wised-up and energized, thus better placed to achieve higher sustainable growth? Rather the opposite, I fear.
Well it's forced Hunt into full expensing of investment against corporation tax. That move has been rejected by the treasury as "too expensive" and lefties as "corporate welfare" for as long as I can remember. That he's being forced to implement it is a victory for Truss IMO and it will push up business investment and GDP by a pretty decent amount.
If the measure comes on Wednesday it will represent a significant change to the UK business environment. Previously we've had measly £250k capital allowances or the narrow super deduction. Full expensing opens up the firehose of cash companies have been sitting on.
What I'd love to see on top is a £50bn energy and industrial security fund for matched investment in economic resilience.
That could be a good policy if the net impact is genuinely productive investment rather than tax fiddling and corporate profits boosted at the expense of the exchequer - hope so and let's see. But putting a big pro-Truss angle on it seems rather generous. A bit like those 'Corbyn won the argument' takes that used to go around in my circles to cushion the pain.
There's a lot more chance of that working than there is for cutting corporation tax.
For sure. But I don't really see it as a Truss achievement.
Is it Scotterdaemerung? Probably not. But it makes fo ra more interesting ride than usual.
People should read Wings Over Scotland though, purely for entertainment value if nothing else - he's always so angry about everything it is quite amusing.
Rarely wrong on SNPand Scottish matters though. Not quite so good on some other things.
In a previous PB post, serious questions were raised concerning Redfield & Wilton poll of Scottish voters. With another PBer suggesting that R&W was perhaps akin to Trafalgar. in some somewhat less than positive ways.
Has R&W yet made any kind of response? Considering that PB is (allegedly) "The Web's Premier Resource for Political Betting".
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Oh yes it has truth but people with left wing views aren't extra especially prone to it. Its attribution to the modern left was probably first dreamt up by some pundit in the drivelpipe and it was one of those that took off. There's little one can do once this happens.
They are fairly prone to it, which is why people on the left often act as apologists for brutal dictators. Remember the protestor who defended President Assad because "he's a doctor, for heaven's sake"?
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
In the case of Leeds, definitely deliberate. Likewise Nobby Stiles.
I've some sympathy for the small tech companies whose money is tied up in SVB, but none for these guys. If you've that much cash to deposit, you can afford people to manage it properly.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Oh yes it has truth but people with left wing views aren't extra especially prone to it. Its attribution to the modern left was probably first dreamt up by some pundit in the drivelpipe and it was one of those that took off. There's little one can do once this happens.
They are fairly prone to it, which is why people on the left often act as apologists for brutal dictators. Remember the protestor who defended President Assad because "he's a doctor, for heaven's sake"?
Same on the right. Look at how Donald Trump could do no wrong for so many people even though he spent most of his time doing exactly that. It really isn't a special left wing characteristic.
Not seen by the TV cameras, but a thumb up to the crowd from Garry Ringrose as he was stretchered off. Hopefully not seriously injured, and simply all the protocols being followed. https://twitter.com/Inphosports/status/1634960041471262720
Not seen by the TV cameras, but a thumb up to the crowd from Garry Ringrose as he was stretchered off. Hopefully not seriously injured, and simply all the protocols being followed.
It was shown on the BBC feed and the commentators commented on it.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Oh yes it has truth but people with left wing views aren't extra especially prone to it. Its attribution to the modern left was probably first dreamt up by some pundit in the drivelpipe and it was one of those that took off. There's little one can do once this happens.
They are fairly prone to it, which is why people on the left often act as apologists for brutal dictators. Remember the protestor who defended President Assad because "he's a doctor, for heaven's sake"?
Same on the right. Look at how Donald Trump could do no wrong for so many people even though he spent most of his time doing exactly that. It really isn't a special left wing characteristic.
Assad surely must be harshly judged - as WG says, he's a doctor (medical), and his wife grew up in Acton. If Trump had grown up in Acton he'd be a better man than he is.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Oh yes it has truth but people with left wing views aren't extra especially prone to it. Its attribution to the modern left was probably first dreamt up by some pundit in the drivelpipe and it was one of those that took off. There's little one can do once this happens.
They are fairly prone to it, which is why people on the left often act as apologists for brutal dictators. Remember the protestor who defended President Assad because "he's a doctor, for heaven's sake"?
We know how Westminster elections work in Scotland. The SNP spend the entire campaign bleating on about independence, and are guaranteed to walk away with most of the seats at the end of it because the Nationalist vote is united whereas the Unionist vote is split. And, whilst the Ruth Davidson-era Tories managed to pick up a dozen seats in 2017, they were disproportionately strong in the areas where support for independence was weakest, whereas most of Labour's prime targets are in Glasgow and surrounding areas where the inverse is true.
It hardly matters who is leading the SNP in this context. Zippy from Rainbow could win the next GE for the SNP. If Scottish Labour can make a dozen gains it will be doing very well indeed.
Zippy from Rainbow looks like seriously aspirational to be honest. At least he didn't spend his time taking lumps out of George.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
In the case of Leeds, definitely deliberate. Likewise Nobby Stiles.
I watched the 1966 World Cup with my son a few years ago. It was a long 90 minutes. Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton and Alan Ball. Three players that must all feature in the pantheon of dirty players. Jack was on fire that day. Some might call him "physical"...
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
In the case of Leeds, definitely deliberate. Likewise Nobby Stiles.
I watched the 1966 World Cup with my son a few years ago. It was a long 90 minutes. Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton and Alan Ball. Three players that must all feature in the pantheon of dirty players. Jack was on fire that day. Some might call him "physical"...
Not seen by the TV cameras, but a thumb up to the crowd from Garry Ringrose as he was stretchered off. Hopefully not seriously injured, and simply all the protocols being followed. https://twitter.com/Inphosports/status/1634960041471262720
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
In the case of Leeds, definitely deliberate. Likewise Nobby Stiles.
I watched the 1966 World Cup with my son a few years ago. It was a long 90 minutes. Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton and Alan Ball. Three players that must all feature in the pantheon of dirty players. Jack was on fire that day. Some might call him "physical"...
120 minutes is always a long 90 minutes, just saying.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Oh yes it has truth but people with left wing views aren't extra especially prone to it. Its attribution to the modern left was probably first dreamt up by some pundit in the drivelpipe and it was one of those that took off. There's little one can do once this happens.
They are fairly prone to it, which is why people on the left often act as apologists for brutal dictators. Remember the protestor who defended President Assad because "he's a doctor, for heaven's sake"?
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
In the case of Leeds, definitely deliberate. Likewise Nobby Stiles.
I watched the 1966 World Cup with my son a few years ago. It was a long 90 minutes. Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton and Alan Ball. Three players that must all feature in the pantheon of dirty players. Jack was on fire that day. Some might call him "physical"...
Wasn’t it 120 minutes, the ‘66 final?
Yes it was, my mistake. It still felt an awful lot longer. The levels of fitness, the ball control (except for Sir Geoff!) the pace wasn't a patch on today
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
In the case of Leeds, definitely deliberate. Likewise Nobby Stiles.
I watched the 1966 World Cup with my son a few years ago. It was a long 90 minutes. Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton and Alan Ball. Three players that must all feature in the pantheon of dirty players. Jack was on fire that day. Some might call him "physical"...
120 minutes is always a long 90 minutes, just saying.
Yes, but Sandpit beat you too it. My error. It still felt longer.
England could win next week now that I've changed sides. England's only hope? Liston lost to Cassius Clay (as he was then) against all the odds, but I can't see England doing it.
@Independent reports that the "BBC fears it cannot sack Gary Lineker or force him to follow social media rules on impartiality because of ambiguities in his contract"
It's time to stop being an England Rugby fan and start being an England Cricket fan.
Ireland v England next weekend is going to be a good one.
Paddy’s weekend, one team looking for the Slam and the other needing to bounce back from a terrible performance yesterday.
I’m not known for needing much of an excuse to spend six hours in the pub, but the last day of the 6N is always one of the sporting highlights of the year.
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
It has the ring of truth, JJ.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
Just imagine how many abandoned matches a Don Revie Leeds would feature on today's terms. Mind you West Brom under Johnny Giles and Nobby Stiles had a reputation. One wasn't sure whether it was deliberate or as a result of ponderously slow tackling by ponderously slow players like Paddy Mulligan
In the case of Leeds, definitely deliberate. Likewise Nobby Stiles.
I watched the 1966 World Cup with my son a few years ago. It was a long 90 minutes. Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton and Alan Ball. Three players that must all feature in the pantheon of dirty players. Jack was on fire that day. Some might call him "physical"...
120 minutes is always a long 90 minutes, just saying.
Yes, but Sandpit beat you too it. My error. It still felt longer.
So he did.
Despite the scoreline, the drama and what was at stake, long stretches of the game were very poor. The pace of the game was very slow, not helped by the lush Wembley turf and lower levels of fitness. Also, was that old leather ball heavier? It certainly looks it.
I have been thinking about immigration, I wonder whether the pro immigration people aren't really contributing to keeping places shit holes....not totally sold on the idea but here is some thought
1) Some places are shitholes and need people to stand up and say no 2) When places are shitholes many prefer emigrating to living in a shit hole or standing up....understandably its a safer option 3) Most of those managing to emigrate will be the middle class 4) Most revolutions are driven by the middle class ultimately
So the theory, migration and allowing it weakens the middle class in shit hole countries that need reform thus making it less likely they will get changed
Not totally sold, a theory I am pondering so throwing it out to see what people think
Casemiro sent off. Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
Until Friday.
Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.
He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?
Never argued with referees. Too smart.
Despite my non-footie fan status, I'd like to add something here. *Years* ago (perhaps decades), I heard a conversation between Vinnie Jones and Gary Lineker (probably on R5L). Jones was complaining about Lineker's 'clean' status, and that he'd get booked for things that Lineker had done. Lineker's response was that he had occasionally made mistakes, but as he was known as a 'clean' player, refs would let it slide. Whereas Jones, a notorious hard nut, would get booked.
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Ah so maybe some refs conform with that silly right-wing cliche about the left - they assume good people can't do bad things.
That cliche is actually the basis of most mythology and a lot of culture. Consider the Iliad - being brave meant you were good.
Oh yes it has truth but people with left wing views aren't extra especially prone to it. Its attribution to the modern left was probably first dreamt up by some pundit in the drivelpipe and it was one of those that took off. There's little one can do once this happens.
They are fairly prone to it, which is why people on the left often act as apologists for brutal dictators. Remember the protestor who defended President Assad because "he's a doctor, for heaven's sake"?
Same on the right. Look at how Donald Trump could do no wrong for so many people even though he spent most of his time doing exactly that. It really isn't a special left wing characteristic.
Assad surely must be harshly judged - as WG says, he's a doctor (medical), and his wife grew up in Acton. If Trump had grown up in Acton he'd be a better man than he is.
An interesting what-if. My sense fwiw is Trump would still be bad news even with an Acton upbringing.
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It does seem rather harsh not to let the try stand though, given that it was scored by the other team.
A good first half of rugby, from the point of view of a neutral observer.
Now I’m having a vision of Max Von Sydow announcing a plan to reorganise A-levels.
She told the Guardian in an interview that the Scottish National party had to put much greater emphasis on slowly persuading unionists to support independence, by first using Holyrood’s existing economic powers to prove Scotland can flourish.
Forbes, the Scottish government’s finance secretary, said it would be counterproductive to follow Nicola Sturgeon’s strategy of repeatedly setting target dates for a second independence referendum.
“It’s not possible to say and I won’t give you a timescale,” Forbes said when asked what her target date was.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/12/snps-kate-forbes-signals-scottish-independence-vote-could-be-years-away
I am now an Ireland supporter, joining my in-laws to celebrate Paddy's day, and I look forward to another Irish celebration later this year.
“Man has climbed Mount Everest, gone to the bottom of the ocean. He's fired rockets at the Moon, split the atom, achieved miracles in every field of human endeavour... EXCEPT EDUCATION!”
I'm guessing pre-existing reputation also matters.
I *think* I'm remembering that correctly... The things I'd listen to whilst out walking.
Anyway, MoTD is not lost forever, Matt LeTiss' is up for it.
Remember that we are talking about ancient history here. I was a good full-back, but my weakness was lack of pace. It was important to try and slow the winger up if I could. Most referees would allow me a couple of bites before they even spoke to me. Some would let it go all game. I'm not especially proud of this, but it's just how it was then.
I wouldn't last five minutes these days.
I think he showed 8 red cards and 20 yellow cards.
I think it is TAKEAWAY
Excellent clue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn25VyP2p6c
People should read Wings Over Scotland though, purely for entertainment value if nothing else - he's always so angry about everything it is quite amusing.
https://youtu.be/QvffxxhoBIk
Why? Because (according to my pet theory) Scottish National Party has dropped in polling, to benefit of Labour, mainly due to the current leadership vacuum & election (or visa versa?)
Note that Labour's dramatic slide from popularity & then power in Scotland, began after the death of Donald Dewar, who IIRC was regarded as a strong leader, in contrast to his SLAB successors.
Further note that rise of SNP was achieved under two strong leaders, the King Fish and then the Queen Fish.
Far from Caledonia, would appear that the current gaggle of hopefuls to replace Nicola Sturgeon are more in the minnow category, with proviso that Little Fish can sometimes grow into Big Fish. PROVIDED they do NOT get et by some other hungry fishy swimming the same troubled waters.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/10/labour-should-not-oppose-small-boats-bill-lords-says-david-blunkett/
Personally loath to believe it . . . however it WOULD explain a lot . . .
Or, was we say, we SPRANG FORWARD.
As a consequence, UK time is now +4 hours ahead of New York (EDT) and +7 ahead of Seattle (PDT).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States
I have a high regard for her but am a unionist. On normal laws it would be impossible for her to win the leadership on such a ticket - memberships really are that dim. But Scots who actually want independence and serious people should look at her carefully. Hers is the only route to it which would make it work.
Has R&W yet made any kind of response? Considering that PB is (allegedly) "The Web's Premier Resource for Political Betting".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D3c-MHr87w
If you've that much cash to deposit, you can afford people to manage it properly.
Roku Says $487 Million of Its Cash, or 26%, Was Held in Failed Silicon Valley Bank
https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/roku-svb-failed-silicon-valley-bank-cash-1235549817/
https://twitter.com/Inphosports/status/1634960041471262720
Doh!
Hope he’s okay
No comment I can post would improve upon that. Chapeau TSE
See defenders of Ezra Pound - “He’s a poet”
Same for D'Annunzio
Dalí as well
I recall one excruciating article trying to ignore the actions of Karadžić on the grounds that he was a post and doctor. So must have good in him.
Or the excuse for Roman Polanski, put forward by Sigourney Weaver - “He’s an auteur.”
Reminds us all that some people actually *need* the commentary on the footie.
Tremendous "achievement" by HMG spin-meisters.
Especially considering, that when someone compares something to Nazis, it almost always backfires. But not THIS time.
reports that the "BBC fears it cannot sack Gary Lineker or force him to follow social media rules on impartiality because of ambiguities in his contract"
And would likely lose any legal claim.
Paddy’s weekend, one team looking for the Slam and the other needing to bounce back from a terrible performance yesterday.
I’m not known for needing much of an excuse to spend six hours in the pub, but the last day of the 6N is always one of the sporting highlights of the year.
Despite the scoreline, the drama and what was at stake, long stretches of the game were very poor. The pace of the game was very slow, not helped by the lush Wembley turf and lower levels of fitness. Also, was that old leather ball heavier? It certainly looks it.
@AllieRenison
Some judging pandemonium going on at #crufts2023 on Channel 4
https://twitter.com/AllieRenison/status/1634970039702147074
Said no Scotland fan ever.
https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1634968918694723589
“Garry Ringrose is up and talking in the medical room.
Great to hear.”
1) Some places are shitholes and need people to stand up and say no
2) When places are shitholes many prefer emigrating to living in a shit hole or standing up....understandably its a safer option
3) Most of those managing to emigrate will be the middle class
4) Most revolutions are driven by the middle class ultimately
So the theory, migration and allowing it weakens the middle class in shit hole countries that need reform thus making it less likely they will get changed
Not totally sold, a theory I am pondering so throwing it out to see what people think