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Is it Scötterdämmerung for the SNP? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,163
edited March 2023 in General
Is it Scötterdämmerung for the SNP? – politicalbetting.com

Political Parties' Favourability in Scotland (2-5 March):Labour +10% (+3)SNP -1% (-13)Plaid Cymru -11% (-4)Liberal Democrats -13% (-1)Green Party -17% (-6)Conservative Party -34% (+4)Reform UK -34% (–)Alba -47% (-8)Changes +/- 26-27 Novemberhttps://t.co/rsaBQ09dsz pic.twitter.com/RW8vlzKXnf

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Test to see if the comments work.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Test to see if the comments work.

    What are you expecting the comment to do ?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    The old ones are the best ones.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Test to see if the comments work.

    What are you expecting the comment to do ?
    Sometimes if you use long headlines or non standard characters the comments don't always work.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,929
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Test to see if the comments work.

    What are you expecting the comment to do ?
    Sometimes if you use long headlines or non standard characters the comments don't always work.
    That’s the risk you take when using these strange foreign letters.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Test to see if the comments work.

    What are you expecting the comment to do ?
    Sometimes if you use long headlines or non standard characters the comments don't always work.
    Ah, you meant function.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Test to see if the comments work.

    What are you expecting the comment to do ?
    Sometimes if you use long headlines or non standard characters the comments don't always work.
    That’s the risk you take when using these strange foreign letters.
    Well I wanted to compete with the zeitgeist and mention the works of somebody loved by Germans in the 1930s and 1940s.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Is the header saying Redfield & Wilton are rolling out the carpet for Labour ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    Alba -8 will give Sturgeon a wry smile...

    Tories +4 is also a bit of a lol....
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,916
    An original "pun" would be nice

    https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/08/jim-murphy-loses-his-seat-now-in-what-is-now-scotterdammerung/

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/08/the-early-results-suggest-it-really-is-ajockalypse-now-for-labour/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Indeed popularity of the SNP (-1) is plummeting to the depths reached by the Conservatives ( err .... -34 which apparently is an improvement)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Unfortunately for Labour the Westminster elections won't be by STV.
    They'd be winning a fair few if they were.
    But they aren't so they won't.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,144
    edited March 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Brilliant headline from Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times:

    "Amazing that it should take a crisp-seller to show us how social media has fried our intelligence"

    Amazing that it should take a crisp seller to raise any objection to a policy that may be internationally illegal, and not have any precedents in any other modern Western countries.

    That's really why he's become a focus, I think, for support , outside the BBC's own staff; Labour had been silent before this, and within the BBC there's an increasing fear of Tory-populist domination at the management level , by a staff who are often these days fairly socially and economically conservative, but culturally liberal.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    MarqueeMark said:

    Alba -8 will give Sturgeon a wry smile...

    Tories +4 is also a bit of a lol....

    A massive leap from -38% net to -34%

    I don't think Mr Ross is going to be FM soon.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,929
    edited March 2023
    BlancheLivermore said:

    An original "pun" would be nice

    https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/08/jim-murphy-loses-his-seat-now-in-what-is-now-scotterdammerung/

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/08/the-early-results-suggest-it-really-is-ajockalypse-now-for-labour/

    Twice in eight years is ok. Basically once in a generation.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    She's the anti-Leadsom. h/t Mr Divvie


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Foxy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Alba -8 will give Sturgeon a wry smile...

    Tories +4 is also a bit of a lol....

    A massive leap from -38% net to -34%

    I don't think Mr Ross is going to be FM soon.
    Better chance of replacing Mr Lineker. He'd at least come pre-approved on the political side, Mr Johnson having departed the scene.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    We know how Westminster elections work in Scotland. The SNP spend the entire campaign bleating on about independence, and are guaranteed to walk away with most of the seats at the end of it because the Nationalist vote is united whereas the Unionist vote is split. And, whilst the Ruth Davidson-era Tories managed to pick up a dozen seats in 2017, they were disproportionately strong in the areas where support for independence was weakest, whereas most of Labour's prime targets are in Glasgow and surrounding areas where the inverse is true.

    It hardly matters who is leading the SNP in this context. Zippy from Rainbow could win the next GE for the SNP. If Scottish Labour can make a dozen gains it will be doing very well indeed.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    I hope you haven't put any money on her. Only chance she has is if every Yousafite has put her down as No 2 and vice versa for the Forbesites, but I don't think it will work that way. It's too much Yousaf vs the two.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    Foxy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Alba -8 will give Sturgeon a wry smile...

    Tories +4 is also a bit of a lol....

    A massive leap from -38% net to -34%

    I don't think Mr Ross is going to be FM soon.
    The trend is your friend....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    dixiedean said:

    Unfortunately for Labour the Westminster elections won't be by STV.
    They'd be winning a fair few if they were.
    But they aren't so they won't.

    Depends.

    The way FPTP works is insanely non-linear. Unless your support is very localised, 20 percent can get you next to no seats and 45 percent can get you pretty much a clean sweep.

    For the last couple of Uk general elections, Labour have been just below the "empty handed" threshold, and the SNP have been somewhat above the "win everything" one. There are goodish reasons to think that neither of those results will be the case next time.

    And that matters for all of us, because the SNP are the ones propping the "Conservatives lose bigly without Labour winning" window open.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,634
    WhisperingOracle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brilliant headline from Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times:

    "Amazing that it should take a crisp-seller to show us how social media has fried our intelligence"

    Amazing that it should take a crisp seller to raise any objection to a policy that may be internationally illegal, and not have any precedents in any other modern Western countries.
    No precedents?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    Nigelb said:

    Is the header saying Redfield & Wilton are rolling out the carpet for Labour ?

    Red carpet is so last year:

    https://en.as.com/entertainment/why-has-the-2023-oscars-abandoned-the-red-carpet-n/
  • CorrectHorseBattery3CorrectHorseBattery3 Posts: 2,757
    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    williamglenn said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brilliant headline from Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times:

    "Amazing that it should take a crisp-seller to show us how social media has fried our intelligence"

    Amazing that it should take a crisp seller to raise any objection to a policy that may be internationally illegal, and not have any precedents in any other modern Western countries.
    No precedents?
    You looking for some? Try Germany 1930s.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    I hope you haven't put any money on her. Only chance she has is if every Yousafite has put her down as No 2 and vice versa for the Forbesites, but I don't think it will work that way. It's too much Yousaf vs the two.
    No betting position on this for me. I just did Yousaf @ 2.2 and closed him @ 1.6 locking in a hardly smug-city profit of £5.80. Still, pint of Stella if I get myself south of the river.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Depends on the odds. You do realise they only have one MP at the moment.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    edited March 2023
    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, but I'm going to stick to mine.

    Trussy: Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Stuartinromford said:

    dixiedean said:

    Unfortunately for Labour the Westminster elections won't be by STV.
    They'd be winning a fair few if they were.
    But they aren't so they won't.

    Depends.

    The way FPTP works is insanely non-linear. Unless your support is very localised, 20 percent can get you next to no seats and 45 percent can get you pretty much a clean sweep.

    For the last couple of Uk general elections, Labour have been just below the "empty handed" threshold, and the SNP have been somewhat above the "win everything" one. There are goodish reasons to think that neither of those results will be the case next time.

    And that matters for all of us, because the SNP are the ones propping the "Conservatives lose bigly without Labour winning" window open.
    Well if course.
    Bit of an irony the LD's benefit from FPTP in Scotland.
    The problem for Labour, as @pigeon notes is the places they are in contention are the ones with strongest pro-Indy sentiment.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, sort of, but I'm going to stick to mine. Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.

    Trussy.
    Truss managed to do one thing right, she shocked us out of our complacency and managed national decline by pointing at the very real issue that the UK is becoming a low growth zone.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    Carnyx said:

    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Depends on the odds. You do realise they only have one MP at the moment.
    The electoral calculus nowcast is SNP 41% and 40 seats, Labour 30% and 12 seats, Conservatives 17% and 4 seats. See what I mean about non-linearlity?

    For Labour to pick up most seats, they need another hefty slug of SNP votes to swing to them. Which depends on the instincts and quality of the SNP's new leader.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Fortunately the BBC sports boycott does not extend to the rugby.

    We can see the highlights from Twickenham :)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, but I'm going to stick to mine.

    Trussy: Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
    Both were idiots for thinking they could be PM.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,634
    Carnyx said:

    williamglenn said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brilliant headline from Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times:

    "Amazing that it should take a crisp-seller to show us how social media has fried our intelligence"

    Amazing that it should take a crisp seller to raise any objection to a policy that may be internationally illegal, and not have any precedents in any other modern Western countries.
    No precedents?
    You looking for some? Try Germany 1930s.
    Were refugees trying to get into Germany in the 1930s a big issue?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, sort of, but I'm going to stick to mine. Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.

    Trussy.
    Truss managed to do one thing right, she shocked us out of our complacency and managed national decline by pointing at the very real issue that the UK is becoming a low growth zone.
    She certainly shocked us, I'll give you that!

    But has her tenure left us wised-up and energized, thus better placed to achieve higher sustainable growth? Rather the opposite, I fear.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Stuartinromford said:

    Carnyx said:

    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Depends on the odds. You do realise they only have one MP at the moment.
    The electoral calculus nowcast is SNP 41% and 40 seats, Labour 30% and 12 seats, Conservatives 17% and 4 seats. See what I mean about non-linearlity?

    For Labour to pick up most seats, they need another hefty slug of SNP votes to swing to them. Which depends on the instincts and quality of the SNP's new leader.
    Oh, quite. If Labour will insist on FPTP at Westminster but not Scotland ...

    But equally, it's why I'd want to know what the odds on offer were before betting.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Would require 24 gains on the current boundaries, and all of Labour's likely Scottish targets were won last time round by the SNP. The latter would have to shed half the constituencies it captured in 2019. Where is the wave of enthusiasm for the advent of Keir Starmer as PM in Scotland that's going to persuade great chunks of the SNP core vote to abandon them? Not happening.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, but I'm going to stick to mine.

    Trussy: Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
    Both were idiots for thinking they could be PM.
    Ms Truss was PM. That wasn't wrong of her ...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    pigeon said:

    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Would require 24 gains on the current boundaries, and all of Labour's likely Scottish targets were won last time round by the SNP. The latter would have to shed half the constituencies it captured in 2019. Where is the wave of enthusiasm for the advent of Keir Starmer as PM in Scotland that's going to persuade great chunks of the SNP core vote to abandon them? Not happening.
    Mr Starmer is also a bornagain Brexiter, too, which won't help gain the LD and SNP votes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, but I'm going to stick to mine.

    Trussy: Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
    Both were idiots for thinking they could be PM.
    Well one of them was crazy to think that - and probably didn't, not really - but the other one was absolutely right. She damn well made it!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    Carnyx said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, but I'm going to stick to mine.

    Trussy: Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
    Both were idiots for thinking they could be PM.
    Ms Truss was PM. That wasn't wrong of her ...
    That's right. Although it was also wrong. Very wrong.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293
    Stuartinromford said:

    dixiedean said:

    Unfortunately for Labour the Westminster elections won't be by STV.
    They'd be winning a fair few if they were.
    But they aren't so they won't.

    Depends.

    The way FPTP works is insanely non-linear. Unless your support is very localised, 20 percent can get you next to no seats and 45 percent can get you pretty much a clean sweep.

    For the last couple of Uk general elections, Labour have been just below the "empty handed" threshold, and the SNP have been somewhat above the "win everything" one. There are goodish reasons to think that neither of those results will be the case next time.

    And that matters for all of us, because the SNP are the ones propping the "Conservatives lose bigly without Labour winning" window open.
    It's very much possible that Labour could win more seats than the SNP even if they win fewer overall votes given where their votes are concentrated. If the SNP's vote share falls to around 35% then seats in the central belt start falling like dominoes to Labour. Considering that the SNP under Sturgeon 'only' won 37% of the vote in 2017, then I very much think Forbes and Yousaf are 'capable' of winning 35% of the vote or less.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,916
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
    Never even booked
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    Scott_xP said:

    Fortunately the BBC sports boycott does not extend to the rugby.

    We can see the highlights from Twickenham :)

    Lowlights, if you please.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    BlancheLivermore said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
    Never even booked
    How many players can we say that off? I know Stanley Matthews was never booked either. Any others?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Is Tim Davie overseeing VAR? Ball first!
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,916
    Mexicanpete said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Is Tim Davie overseeing VAR? Ball first!
    He hit the top of the ball, then straight into Alcaraz’s shin

    Definitely a red
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    BlancheLivermore said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Is Tim Davie overseeing VAR? Ball first!
    He hit the top of the ball, then straight into Alcaraz’s shin

    Definitely a red
    Says a partisan poster. Up the Saints!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    ydoethur said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
    Never even booked
    How many players can we say that off? I know Stanley Matthews was never booked either. Any others?
    Portsmouth's Jimmy Dickinson?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    ydoethur said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
    Never even booked
    How many players can we say that off? I know Stanley Matthews was never booked either. Any others?
    Bobby Charlton?

    But it's probably more apt to just look at the modern game.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    @Channel4

    What does @edballs think of the @GaryLineker row?

    He says ‘it’s been a catastrophic couple of days for the BBC’ and that Richard Sharp’s position as Chairman has become ‘totally untenable’

    @afneil
    #AndrewNeilShow
    C4 6pm
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    edited March 2023
    ydoethur said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
    Never even booked
    How many players can we say that off? I know Stanley Matthews was never booked either. Any others?
    Ian Callaghan of Liverpool deserves a mention.

    He was booked once in 857 games, and I think even that was some sort of mistake or misunderstanding. Considering the level of competition and the nature of the game back then I think that tops Lineker's record.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, sort of, but I'm going to stick to mine. Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.

    Trussy.
    Truss managed to do one thing right, she shocked us out of our complacency and managed national decline by pointing at the very real issue that the UK is becoming a low growth zone.
    She certainly shocked us, I'll give you that!

    But has her tenure left us wised-up and energized, thus better placed to achieve higher sustainable growth? Rather the opposite, I fear.
    Well it's forced Hunt into full expensing of investment against corporation tax. That move has been rejected by the treasury as "too expensive" and lefties as "corporate welfare" for as long as I can remember. That he's being forced to implement it is a victory for Truss IMO and it will push up business investment and GDP by a pretty decent amount.

    If the measure comes on Wednesday it will represent a significant change to the UK business environment. Previously we've had measly £250k capital allowances or the narrow super deduction. Full expensing opens up the firehose of cash companies have been sitting on.

    What I'd love to see on top is a £50bn energy and industrial security fund for matched investment in economic resilience.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    Mexicanpete said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
    Until Friday.
    Too much is attached to his record though, Pete.

    He wasn't an especially clean or honest player, but he is smart. I know how he got away with it. I played at a decent amateur level until I was 35 and only got booked once. Yet I was, by common consent, a dirty player. How did I get away with it?

    Never argued with referees. Too smart. :)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    edited March 2023
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    ydoethur said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Casemiro sent off.
    Can't have Southampton winning. Will put the bottom nine within 4 points!

    Gary Lineker was never ever sent off!
    Never even booked
    How many players can we say that off? I know Stanley Matthews was never booked either. Any others?
    Ian Callaghan of Liverpool deserves a mention.

    He was booked once in 857 games, and I think even that was some sort of mistake or misunderstanding. Considering the level of competition and the nature of the game back then I think that tops Lineker's record.
    I believe Callaghan was booked in the 1978 League Cup replay at Old Trafford, that Liverpool lost to Forest.

    I know this because the guy standing next to me said "First time he's ever been booked...." He'd have done the job for a tenth of Lineker....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    If they pick Useless then they are stuffed , he will wreck the country in short order. They have already admitted to losing 50,000+ members and that will be less than reality for certain. Full of seat warmers now and not looking good for Scotland at all.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, but I'm going to stick to mine.

    Trussy: Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.
    Both were idiots for thinking they could be PM.
    Well one of them was crazy to think that - and probably didn't, not really - but the other one was absolutely right. She damn well made it!
    Got the job. Patently wrong in thinking she could be PM.

    "Women: know your limits!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w&ab_channel=BBCStudios
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Only if you are stark raving mad.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    I hope you haven't put any money on her. Only chance she has is if every Yousafite has put her down as No 2 and vice versa for the Forbesites, but I don't think it will work that way. It's too much Yousaf vs the two.
    They have 50K+ spare votes going a begging Carnyx.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    malcolmg said:

    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Only if you are stark raving mad.
    Or if you have money to burn. Good afternoon Malc, hope you are well and enjoying the weather.

    Will you be watching the Rugby.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,264
    Foxy said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Foxy said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Foxy said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Foxy said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    Scott_xP said:

    TOPPING said:

    I think that Gary Lineker is very much associated with the BBC indeed is a face of the BBC.

    Except he's not, unless you think the BBC also endorses Walkers crisps
    They have effectively, by allowing him to do both jobs at the same time
    Like they did with Andrew Neil and his many other jobs.

    Did you get your knickers in a twist over that?

    No, thought not.
    Did Neil flog grease, starch and salt to kids?
    So he was doing something legal, you want to ban legal things?
    Cor blimey, Gary’s got the righties supporting restricting unhealthy foods, some remarkable work in the goal area from the Leicester lad!
    I know.

    More importantly.

    I've done a Scotland thread, getting published this afternoon.
    Fantastic.

    Now I don't have to watch the Scotland/Ireland rugby game.

    Will AV get a mention? [Drools in anticipation.]
    No AV.

    Two subtle Scottish puns though.
    Who could resist?
    *also slavers in anticipation*
    Not modern slavers, I hope ?
    Question - I am thinking of putting up a statue (group statute) to honour the men and women of the Libyan Coastguard.

    I was thinking of Bristol - I understand they have a space there.

    Any other suggestions?
    Do you support deporting asylum seekers to Libya without assessing their claims, if that is their nationality?
    I don’t support locking people up in Libya for the crime of trying to leave Libya. I doubt the Libyan Coast Guard cares about their asylum claims or any other matter associated with them.
    So if a Libyan asylum seeker arrived by dinghy here, would you deport him to Libya?

    Or an Uighar asylum seeker to China?

    I just want to be sure that you are comfortable with our government's policy.
    Well, you seem comfortable with the EU policy of stockpiling Africans in Libya…

    It would rather depend on what his/her asylum application was about.
    Well under this government's legislation we wouldn't know what his asylum application was. It would automatically be disallowed and unheard.

    So would you send him back to Libya under the new rules?
    I’ve said before that I don’t support the legislation.
    I hadn't realised that you opposed this governments position. My apologies.



    Do you oppose the EU funding the Libyan Coastguard?

    That has the effect, among other things, of making sure that no one they hold gets to claim asylum.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Scott_xP said:

    @Channel4

    What does @edballs think of the @GaryLineker row?

    He says ‘it’s been a catastrophic couple of days for the BBC’ and that Richard Sharp’s position as Chairman has become ‘totally untenable’

    @afneil
    #AndrewNeilShow
    C4 6pm

    Scott_xP said:

    @Channel4

    What does @edballs think of the @GaryLineker row?

    He says ‘it’s been a catastrophic couple of days for the BBC’ and that Richard Sharp’s position as Chairman has become ‘totally untenable’

    @afneil
    #AndrewNeilShow
    C4 6pm

    Thats what I have said consistently since this broke.

    Lab spent the first period treating Lineker as a naughty child who had overstepped the mark and were happy for the BBC to discipline him

    There fake Solidarity now is like everything else with SKS subject to change
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,264
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Only if you are stark raving mad.
    Or if you have money to burn. Good afternoon Malc, hope you are well and enjoying the weather.

    Will you be watching the Rugby.
    Or you think you can buy the position cheaply, a few more polls (of similar result) will cause it to move and then you sell it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Mail gets it right for once.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, sort of, but I'm going to stick to mine. Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.

    Trussy.
    Truss managed to do one thing right, she shocked us out of our complacency and managed national decline by pointing at the very real issue that the UK is becoming a low growth zone.
    She certainly shocked us, I'll give you that!

    But has her tenure left us wised-up and energized, thus better placed to achieve higher sustainable growth? Rather the opposite, I fear.
    Well it's forced Hunt into full expensing of investment against corporation tax. That move has been rejected by the treasury as "too expensive" and lefties as "corporate welfare" for as long as I can remember. That he's being forced to implement it is a victory for Truss IMO and it will push up business investment and GDP by a pretty decent amount.

    If the measure comes on Wednesday it will represent a significant change to the UK business environment. Previously we've had measly £250k capital allowances or the narrow super deduction. Full expensing opens up the firehose of cash companies have been sitting on.

    What I'd love to see on top is a £50bn energy and industrial security fund for matched investment in economic resilience.
    That could be a good policy if the net impact is genuinely productive investment rather than tax fiddling and corporate profits boosted at the expense of the exchequer - hope so and let's see. But putting a big pro-Truss angle on it seems rather generous. A bit like those 'Corbyn won the argument' takes that used to go around in my circles to cushion the pain.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    CorrectHorseBattery3 said:

    Labour most seats in Scotland has got to be a good bet surely

    Only if you are stark raving mad.
    Or if you have money to burn. Good afternoon Malc, hope you are well and enjoying the weather.

    Will you be watching the Rugby.
    Afternoon Taz, weather has finally turned , light rain and grey today. I will be doing my best to watch rugby but lazed about all morning and now being forced to do jobs I was supposed to do earlier.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,916
    Has Eric ten men Haag got anything up his sleeve?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,264
    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    kinabalu said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kinabalu said:

    I expect the SNP to ride this out ok unless they shock everyone and pick Regan as leader. To me she looks lightweight and tbh not capable of doing the job. In a word, Trussy.

    In another word, Swinsony.
    Hmm, ok, sort of, but I'm going to stick to mine. Lightweight and with the constant mulish certainty of always being right when always palpably wrong. A towering ineffectual.

    Trussy.
    Truss managed to do one thing right, she shocked us out of our complacency and managed national decline by pointing at the very real issue that the UK is becoming a low growth zone.
    She certainly shocked us, I'll give you that!

    But has her tenure left us wised-up and energized, thus better placed to achieve higher sustainable growth? Rather the opposite, I fear.
    Well it's forced Hunt into full expensing of investment against corporation tax. That move has been rejected by the treasury as "too expensive" and lefties as "corporate welfare" for as long as I can remember. That he's being forced to implement it is a victory for Truss IMO and it will push up business investment and GDP by a pretty decent amount.

    If the measure comes on Wednesday it will represent a significant change to the UK business environment. Previously we've had measly £250k capital allowances or the narrow super deduction. Full expensing opens up the firehose of cash companies have been sitting on.

    What I'd love to see on top is a £50bn energy and industrial security fund for matched investment in economic resilience.
    If they go full investment allowance - unlimited investment in productivity etc offset against tax - many I make the following suggestion?

    Place member of the Tax Gap idiocracy at strategic points along the Russian frontline in Ukraine.

    When the announcement is made, their heads will explode with a force of many megatons. Destroying the Russians and allowing Ukraine to advance unhindered.

    There is a small possibility that will touch off a Global Thermonuclear war. But everything has a downside, so hey….
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Scott_xP said:

    Fortunately the BBC sports boycott does not extend to the rugby.

    We can see the highlights from Twickenham :)

    It was bad enough the first time.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Carol Vorderman
    @carolvorders
    ·
    6h
    ·
    BBC COMPLAINTS
    To make a complaint on lack of impartiality of
    A. The BBC CHAIRMAN Richard Sharp who helped Johnson to gain a loan of £800k
    B. BOARD DIRECTOR ROBBIE GIBB. Former No 10 Tory Comms director, co-founder of GB news
    Et al
    Please do so here 👇🏼

    https://bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    bigjohnowls said:

    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

    What would Gina Miller know?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    malcolmg said:

    Mail gets it right for once.

    What do you reckon Malc? Yousaf leads on first prefs but Regan's transfers see Forbes over the line?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    DougSeal said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

    What would Gina Miller know?
    Tories definitely gone to defense from offense

    Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA

    In my day the line out had to be taken with the same ball kicked off the field. You couldn’t game the system by having strategically placed balls favouring the home side if they wanted a quick line out. I haven’t really been keeping up with it though
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    edited March 2023
    bigjohnowls said:

    DougSeal said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

    What would Gina Miller know?
    Tories definitely gone to defense from offense

    Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
    Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.

    The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    bigjohnowls said:

    DougSeal said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

    What would Gina Miller know?
    Tories definitely gone to defense from offense

    Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
    Okay, next question. How is SKS to blame?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA

    In my day the line out had to be taken with the same ball kicked off the field. You couldn’t game the system by having strategically placed balls favouring the home side if they wanted a quick line out. I haven’t really been keeping up with it though
    So you're saying the new rule is a load of balls?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    ydoethur said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    DougSeal said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

    What would Gina Miller know?
    Tories definitely gone to defense from offense

    Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
    Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.

    The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
    Will have to be dragged out

    Hope its televised with commentary provided by team Lineker
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA

    If you want to take a 'quick' lineout, that is, before the line has formed, you have to use the ball that went out, and it must have only been touched by the player that throws it in
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA

    In my day the line out had to be taken with the same ball kicked off the field. You couldn’t game the system by having strategically placed balls favouring the home side if they wanted a quick line out. I haven’t really been keeping up with it though
    So you're saying the new rule is a load of balls?
    Is there a new rule?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA

    In my day the line out had to be taken with the same ball kicked off the field. You couldn’t game the system by having strategically placed balls favouring the home side if they wanted a quick line out. I haven’t really been keeping up with it though
    That seemed to be what happened but how could a ball favour one side or the other? They were drying it like crazy for example yesterday.

    Plus it seemed like exactly there same thing happened with/to Ireland moments later and nothing was done/said.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    DougSeal said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    DougSeal said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

    What would Gina Miller know?
    Tories definitely gone to defense from offense

    Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
    Okay, next question. How is SKS to blame?
    He is not but his first instinct was to pick the wrong side before changing sides
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,916
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA

    In my day the line out had to be taken with the same ball kicked off the field. You couldn’t game the system by having strategically placed balls favouring the home side if they wanted a quick line out. I haven’t really been keeping up with it though
    So you're saying the new rule is a load of balls?
    Is there a new rule?
    Been the rule since quick line outs were allowed
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Can someone please explain to me the new/different ball thing.

    TIA

    In my day the line out had to be taken with the same ball kicked off the field. You couldn’t game the system by having strategically placed balls favouring the home side if they wanted a quick line out. I haven’t really been keeping up with it though
    So you're saying the new rule is a load of balls?
    Is there a new rule?
    The current rule, then?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,916
    Rashford’s a self tripping up cheat

    Just like the rest
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    We are all Ireland today.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    ydoethur said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    DougSeal said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Gina Miller
    @thatginamiller
    ·
    3h
    I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

    What would Gina Miller know?
    Tories definitely gone to defense from offense

    Sharps position is untenable in an independent State Broadcaster
    Again, you are implying that it ever has been defensible. It hasn't.

    The reason I'm making an issue of this is because if he doesn't resign after being accused of corruption, why should he resign for being a fool?
    I'm tempted to say "this organisation does not tolerate failure", as if I'm in a loving pastiche of a Bond movie, but we all know that the organisation running the UK is incredibly tolerant of failure.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    We are all Ireland today.

    Piss off
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mail gets it right for once.

    What do you reckon Malc? Yousaf leads on first prefs but Regan's transfers see Forbes over the line?
    Depends on the 50K ghost votes and who counts. I think it is more likely to be a banana republic vote count.
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