Agreed, I admire her for sticking to her principles. The answer to her question is probably yes however: If the tenets of your faith put you out of step with the mainstream of UK opinion on social issues & you’re public about it, you’re going to have problems politically. There’s a reason Alasdair Campbell cut off questions about Blair’s faith with “We don’t do God”.
The UK is very socially liberal these days on many questions that in the past would have been much more controversial & that holds true across the political spectrum. It’s one of the reasons I’m still proud to be British.
We should just be honest then and say "if you hold strong religious views, you cannot be Prime Minister / FM as your views disqualify you from being a possible appointment."
Instead, we have this hypocritical standpoint where we pretend to be all tolerant and accepting but once someone comes along with such views, we then say why they are not acceptable.
Actually it isn't. If you want to be a leader of a party and a government you are required to defend the policies of your party and the decisions of your government. You can't do the job otherwise, but it is the same for everyone.
Kate Forbes seems to think her moral principles take precedence over her colleagues' That's a problem.
Does she though? She's just saying she has certain beliefs, not that they've affected governance.
At any rate, this is exactly how radical movements fail, they fracture and split over things that have nothing to do with the central goal. Oh well! We are where we are.
The correct answer for Kate Forbes as a church-going aspiring leader of the SNP and Scottish government to the question, "Do you support gay marriage?" is, Yes. Unequivocally, yes. "Do you support gender recognition by self-identification?" Yes. In this case there may be some technical issues to resolve around implementation but the principle's accepted.
These are SNP policies implemented by her government and passed in parliament. If she can't defend them she can't be leader. It's a necessary part of her job.
Bollocks , gender recognition by self-identification is total and utter bollox.
Is Kate Forbes the only man in Scottish politics?
Having borne a child I think you will find she is a real woman
While Ross Greer doesn’t endorse any specific candidate he does say whoever is elected should pursue GRR through the courts - only Humza has said he’d do that.
The Greens are in no position to make demands
I thought they were. Presumably Greer is confident Humza will win.
Greer seems very quick to say what's in his head. Hardly a desideratum in government or any other position of responsibility except maybe shock jock.
"The Scottish Green MSP vented his fury after a paper reported on bizarre and false reports that children at a primary school were identifying as cats.
The Press and Journal featured a story with a council response to the bizarre claims about Banff Academy students meowing and defecting in feline litter boxes, but the MSP was quick to slate it."
He accused the journalists of spreading "Qanon" style moral panic amidst heated debate about the presence of identity politics and gender ideology in Scotlands schools.
A video appearing to show human waste on a toilet floor was shared alongside claims children were protesting over not having litter trays. The claims hit social media and 'spread like wild fire'.
However, Aberdeenshire Council has branded the rumours as misinformation, stating: 'We are aware of false rumours circulating online suggesting that Banff Academy has pupils identifying as cats requesting litter trays in the Academy’s toilets.' "
Well I'm back visiting the folks and I've just scored a half of bitter for £1.23. Red Wall rules ok!
I was in spoons the other day and they had a craft beer at £1.79 a pint. I had a lovely pint of Abbott at £2.29, compared to the other day day in another pub was £5 for guinness and over a fiver for pint of Peroni.
SNP vote share drops below 40%, but SLAB vote share remains unchanged. It should be mentioned, however, the fieldwork was conducted BEFORE Forbes' social conservative views came to light.
Furthermore, there is a new R&W Red Wall poll.
Redfield & Wilton Strategies @RedfieldWilton Labour leads by 28% in the Red Wall, enough to win ALL 40 of these seats in the next GE.
Red Wall VI (19 Feb):
Labour 55% (+3) Conservative 27% (-2) Reform UK 10% (+2) Lib Dem 4% (-1) Green 3% (-1) Plaid Cymru 1% (–) Other 1% (–)
Changes +/- 5 Feb
Well, there's a turn up for the books. The Starmer & Sarwar show not yet setting the heather ablaze.
My expectation would be that the change will have been driven by women unimpressed with Nicola's GRR Bill and its implications for their rights and freedoms. As the Tories have been the only party to oppose these (with minimal exceptions) and have blocked the bill by s35 they have got the credit. Or it might just be a somewhat louder than usual noise.
If it isn't it has implications for the leadership race. Yousaf seems fully on board the Sturgeon express with this one explaining how outrageous the s35 order is and would clearly support a judicial review of the decision. Forbes, equally clearly, wouldn't and would be delighted to park this issue somewhere quiet. If Forbes prevails the Tory gain may prove very short lived but I suspect that is only the start of their problems.
Forbes is the Scottish Tories' worst nightmare: she will attract a lot of tartan Tories who were fed up of Nicolas eccentric combination of socialism and statism. If Forbes wins I think no Scottish Tory seats becomes a real possibility. Which might, of course, prove to be a highly Pyrrhic victory if SLAB recovers and takes back a chunk of seats in the central belt.
Useless Yousaf, in contrast, might well allow a serious Scottish Tory recovery back to the giddy heights of Ruth Davidson's peak but might make things a little more difficult for SLAB.
While I imagine the Tories will be praying for a Yousaf victory I find it hard to believe that a significant number of Scots Tory voters would defect to an SNP led by Forbes. The one thing that distinguishes Tory voters in Scotland is attachment to the Union.
BTW - 19% for the Tories seems v high in the circs. They'll be pleased with that if its anywhere near accurate.
It would certainly keep people like me on board, as the Union is the most important thing to me. But it wouldn't take many Conservative voters in the remaining seats to change for those seats to fall. I think she would get more than enough.
I don't think there would be much switching TBH. Result in Tory-held seats will be determined by relative turnout levels of the respective Tory and SNP tribes, and who SLAB impacts the most if its vote creeps up a bit.
Jeez, she just can't stop talking about this stuff. Is it time for an intervention, from above or otherwise?
She has surely fucked her campaign, as her very own campaign aide says (never a good sign in a campaign). However in the interests of diversity and equality I REALLY hope some journalist is going to ask the same questions of Humza Yousaf. He may well have some interesting answers, and it would never do to encourage the perception that Muslims are given an easier ride than Wee Free white Hebrideans
Yousaf said at his own launch that "I don't legislate on the basis of my faith", arguing that as a member of a minority group he knows his rights "don't exist in some kind of vacuum... My rights are interdependent on other people's rights... I'll always fight for the equal rights of others regardless of who they are." This seems to me exactly the right answer to the question that Forbes was asked, and I'm not sure that Yousaf really needs to say anything else on the subject.
The same one who took a nursery to court as racist because they did not have a vacancy for his children and recently quietly dropped it as it was just garbage. Pull the other one it plays jingle bells.
If you don't understand the difference between legislating and litigating, perhaps you need to go away and do a bit of research.
What are you talking about you half witted dullard. I pointed out teh arsehole tried to ruin a nursery , run by muslims, by claiming they were racist because they did not allow his children in, then had to climb down as it was a ludicruous attempt and had no merit. Why in your thick pea brained skull you get that as legislation god knows.
I am pretty certain the nursery was in fact run by an Indian family, hence the claims of religious discrimination.
🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨 Labour lead is twenty-two points in latest results from Deltapoll. Con 28% (-) Lab 50% (+2) Lib Dem 9% (+1) Other 12% (-4) Fieldwork: 17th - 20th February Sample: 1,079 GB adults (Changes from 10th - 13th February 2023
Labour leads by 28% in the Red Wall, enough to win ALL 40 of these seats in the next GE.
Red Wall VI (19 Feb): Labour 55% (+3) Conservative 27% (-2) Reform UK 10% (+2) Lib Dem 4% (-1) Green 3% (-1) Plaid Cymru 1% (–) Other 1% (–) Changes +/- 5 Feb
There has been an uptick in Labour support in the last few weeks. Expelling Corbyn was a masterstroke.
Well I'm back visiting the folks and I've just scored a half of bitter for £1.23. Red Wall rules ok!
I was in spoons the other day and they had a craft beer at £1.79 a pint. I had a lovely pint of Abbott at £2.29, compared to the other day day in another pub was £5 for guinness and over a fiver for pint of Peroni.
Looking back to my first years in pubs in the mid 1990s, pints were between £1.20 in the Barrels and £1.70 at the Spread or Lich. They now seem to range from around £3.50 at the cheapest places (I don’t include special offers at chains where there’s other commercial stuff going on) and £6.00 in the priciest pubs. Southern England ex-London. So that’s inflation of 100% at lower end to 250% at high end.
Over 30 years it’s not actually that high an inflation rate.
Agreed, I admire her for sticking to her principles. The answer to her question is probably yes however: If the tenets of your faith put you out of step with the mainstream of UK opinion on social issues & you’re public about it, you’re going to have problems politically. There’s a reason Alasdair Campbell cut off questions about Blair’s faith with “We don’t do God”.
The UK is very socially liberal these days on many questions that in the past would have been much more controversial & that holds true across the political spectrum. It’s one of the reasons I’m still proud to be British.
We should just be honest then and say "if you hold strong religious views, you cannot be Prime Minister / FM as your views disqualify you from being a possible appointment."
Instead, we have this hypocritical standpoint where we pretend to be all tolerant and accepting but once someone comes along with such views, we then say why they are not acceptable.
Actually it isn't. If you want to be a leader of a party and a government you are required to defend the policies of your party and the decisions of your government. You can't do the job otherwise, but it is the same for everyone.
Kate Forbes seems to think her moral principles take precedence over her colleagues' That's a problem.
Does she though? She's just saying she has certain beliefs, not that they've affected governance.
At any rate, this is exactly how radical movements fail, they fracture and split over things that have nothing to do with the central goal. Oh well! We are where we are.
The correct answer for Kate Forbes as a church-going aspiring leader of the SNP and Scottish government to the question, "Do you support gay marriage?" is, Yes. Unequivocally, yes. "Do you support gender recognition by self-identification?" Yes. In this case there may be some technical issues to resolve around implementation but the principle's accepted.
These are SNP policies implemented by her government and passed in parliament. If she can't defend them she can't be leader. It's a necessary part of her job.
Bollocks , gender recognition by self-identification is total and utter bollox.
Is Kate Forbes the only man in Scottish politics?
Having borne a child I think you will find she is a real woman
She would be leading a party in transition though.
While Ross Greer doesn’t endorse any specific candidate he does say whoever is elected should pursue GRR through the courts - only Humza has said he’d do that.
The Greens are in no position to make demands
I thought they were. Presumably Greer is confident Humza will win.
Greer seems very quick to say what's in his head. Hardly a desideratum in government or any other position of responsibility except maybe shock jock.
"The Scottish Green MSP vented his fury after a paper reported on bizarre and false reports that children at a primary school were identifying as cats.
The Press and Journal featured a story with a council response to the bizarre claims about Banff Academy students meowing and defecting in feline litter boxes, but the MSP was quick to slate it."
He accused the journalists of spreading "Qanon" style moral panic amidst heated debate about the presence of identity politics and gender ideology in Scotlands schools.
A video appearing to show human waste on a toilet floor was shared alongside claims children were protesting over not having litter trays. The claims hit social media and 'spread like wild fire'.
However, Aberdeenshire Council has branded the rumours as misinformation, stating: 'We are aware of false rumours circulating online suggesting that Banff Academy has pupils identifying as cats requesting litter trays in the Academy’s toilets.' "
Well I'm back visiting the folks and I've just scored a half of bitter for £1.23. Red Wall rules ok!
I was in spoons the other day and they had a craft beer at £1.79 a pint. I had a lovely pint of Abbott at £2.29, compared to the other day day in another pub was £5 for guinness and over a fiver for pint of Peroni.
Looking back to my first years in pubs in the mid 1990s, pints were between £1.20 in the Barrels and £1.70 at the Spread or Lich. They now seem to range from around £3.50 at the cheapest places (I don’t include special offers at chains where there’s other commercial stuff going on) and £6.00 in the priciest pubs. Southern England ex-London. So that’s inflation of 100% at lower end to 250% at high end.
Over 30 years it’s not actually that high an inflation rate.
At least 100% higher than average wage growth though so twice as expensive £(1990s) for £(2020s)
Jeez, she just can't stop talking about this stuff. Is it time for an intervention, from above or otherwise?
She has surely fucked her campaign, as her very own campaign aide says (never a good sign in a campaign). However in the interests of diversity and equality I REALLY hope some journalist is going to ask the same questions of Humza Yousaf. He may well have some interesting answers, and it would never do to encourage the perception that Muslims are given an easier ride than Wee Free white Hebrideans
Yousaf said at his own launch that "I don't legislate on the basis of my faith", arguing that as a member of a minority group he knows his rights "don't exist in some kind of vacuum... My rights are interdependent on other people's rights... I'll always fight for the equal rights of others regardless of who they are." This seems to me exactly the right answer to the question that Forbes was asked, and I'm not sure that Yousaf really needs to say anything else on the subject.
The same one who took a nursery to court as racist because they did not have a vacancy for his children and recently quietly dropped it as it was just garbage. Pull the other one it plays jingle bells.
If you don't understand the difference between legislating and litigating, perhaps you need to go away and do a bit of research.
What are you talking about you half witted dullard. I pointed out teh arsehole tried to ruin a nursery , run by muslims, by claiming they were racist because they did not allow his children in, then had to climb down as it was a ludicruous attempt and had no merit. Why in your thick pea brained skull you get that as legislation god knows.
I am pretty certain the nursery was in fact run by an Indian family, hence the claims of religious discrimination.
You are probably right David but bogus just the same as was proved when he had to drop it. They got maximum bad publicity as well, shocking for someone in his position to try and bully and ruin a small business.
Agreed, I admire her for sticking to her principles. The answer to her question is probably yes however: If the tenets of your faith put you out of step with the mainstream of UK opinion on social issues & you’re public about it, you’re going to have problems politically. There’s a reason Alasdair Campbell cut off questions about Blair’s faith with “We don’t do God”.
The UK is very socially liberal these days on many questions that in the past would have been much more controversial & that holds true across the political spectrum. It’s one of the reasons I’m still proud to be British.
We should just be honest then and say "if you hold strong religious views, you cannot be Prime Minister / FM as your views disqualify you from being a possible appointment."
Instead, we have this hypocritical standpoint where we pretend to be all tolerant and accepting but once someone comes along with such views, we then say why they are not acceptable.
Actually it isn't. If you want to be a leader of a party and a government you are required to defend the policies of your party and the decisions of your government. You can't do the job otherwise, but it is the same for everyone.
Kate Forbes seems to think her moral principles take precedence over her colleagues' That's a problem.
Does she though? She's just saying she has certain beliefs, not that they've affected governance.
At any rate, this is exactly how radical movements fail, they fracture and split over things that have nothing to do with the central goal. Oh well! We are where we are.
The correct answer for Kate Forbes as a church-going aspiring leader of the SNP and Scottish government to the question, "Do you support gay marriage?" is, Yes. Unequivocally, yes. "Do you support gender recognition by self-identification?" Yes. In this case there may be some technical issues to resolve around implementation but the principle's accepted.
These are SNP policies implemented by her government and passed in parliament. If she can't defend them she can't be leader. It's a necessary part of her job.
Bollocks , gender recognition by self-identification is total and utter bollox.
I think the bollocks is the issue for some....
If they have bollocks, they should go to the men’s ward / prison.
While Ross Greer doesn’t endorse any specific candidate he does say whoever is elected should pursue GRR through the courts - only Humza has said he’d do that.
The Greens are in no position to make demands
I thought they were. Presumably Greer is confident Humza will win.
Greer seems very quick to say what's in his head. Hardly a desideratum in government or any other position of responsibility except maybe shock jock.
"The Scottish Green MSP vented his fury after a paper reported on bizarre and false reports that children at a primary school were identifying as cats.
The Press and Journal featured a story with a council response to the bizarre claims about Banff Academy students meowing and defecting in feline litter boxes, but the MSP was quick to slate it."
He accused the journalists of spreading "Qanon" style moral panic amidst heated debate about the presence of identity politics and gender ideology in Scotlands schools.
A video appearing to show human waste on a toilet floor was shared alongside claims children were protesting over not having litter trays. The claims hit social media and 'spread like wild fire'.
However, Aberdeenshire Council has branded the rumours as misinformation, stating: 'We are aware of false rumours circulating online suggesting that Banff Academy has pupils identifying as cats requesting litter trays in the Academy’s toilets.' "
When my son was in Primary school he, and several of his friends, self identified as space rockets. The scamps.
Presumably those who self-identified as space rockets, said that it would be racist to give them Saturday morning detention, and the school then bent over backwards to accommodate their need for extra space to demonstrate their rocketry in the sports field on athletics day?
Asda and Morrisons limiting sales of fruit now. Probably a non story according to the pb Brexiteers though as the photo will probably be as out of date as much of the fruit.
From your link.
The shortages - which are affecting Ireland too - are largely the result of extreme weather in Spain and north Africa, where floods, snow and hail have affected harvests....
Industry sources said Brexit was unlikely to be a factor...
Industry sources know not to finger Brexit because it enrages some of their shoppers.
The issue is as reported - crap harvests. The multiplying factor is Brexit - producers prioritising everyone else over us because we are an expensive pain in the arse to supply.
Did Brexit cause the crap harvest? No. Did Brexit make acute the shortages in the UK and also Ireland which was always supplied via the UK? Yep.
But can't say Brexit. Because a certain class of shopper, even now will go puce saying IT ISN'T BREXIT.
SNP vote share drops below 40%, but SLAB vote share remains unchanged. It should be mentioned, however, the fieldwork was conducted BEFORE Forbes' social conservative views came to light.
Furthermore, there is a new R&W Red Wall poll.
Redfield & Wilton Strategies @RedfieldWilton Labour leads by 28% in the Red Wall, enough to win ALL 40 of these seats in the next GE.
Red Wall VI (19 Feb):
Labour 55% (+3) Conservative 27% (-2) Reform UK 10% (+2) Lib Dem 4% (-1) Green 3% (-1) Plaid Cymru 1% (–) Other 1% (–)
Comments
Labour lead is twenty-two points in latest results from Deltapoll.
Con 28% (-)
Lab 50% (+2)
Lib Dem 9% (+1)
Other 12% (-4)
Fieldwork: 17th - 20th February
Sample: 1,079 GB adults
(Changes from 10th - 13th February 2023
Red Wall VI (19 Feb):
Labour 55% (+3)
Conservative 27% (-2)
Reform UK 10% (+2)
Lib Dem 4% (-1)
Green 3% (-1)
Plaid Cymru 1% (–)
Other 1% (–)
Changes +/- 5 Feb
There has been an uptick in Labour support in the last few weeks. Expelling Corbyn was a masterstroke.
SNP: 38% (-4 since 23-26 Jan*)
Labour: 29% (=)
Conservative: 19% (+4)
Lib Dem: 6% (=)
Green: 4% (+1)
Reform UK: 2% (-1)
Other: 2% (=)
*see chart/article notes
going on) and £6.00 in the priciest pubs. Southern England ex-London. So that’s inflation of 100% at lower end to 250% at high end.
Over 30 years it’s not actually that high an inflation rate.
NEW THREAD
The issue is as reported - crap harvests. The multiplying factor is Brexit - producers prioritising everyone else over us because we are an expensive pain in the arse to supply.
Did Brexit cause the crap harvest? No. Did Brexit make acute the shortages in the UK and also Ireland which was always supplied via the UK? Yep.
But can't say Brexit. Because a certain class of shopper, even now will go puce saying IT ISN'T BREXIT.
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