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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    I wouldn't be very worried about this England side if I were France.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tories v. Nurses

    That’s one sided.

    4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
    I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.

    If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
    HMRC mileage rates are 45p up to 10k and 25p after that.

    Even now fuel in most normal cars is less than 25p per mile (my diesel Corsa is around 15p).
    A diesel Corsa is not a normal car!
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    WillG said:

    EPG said:

    We integrated computers and the Internet into Western labour markets over the last 40 years. Going from no computer to computer to online is bigger than no chatbot to chatbot. It didn't lead to 50% unemployment or a lack of need for migration.

    Firstly, I am not sure that's true. There are many more hours of work activity that can be replaced by chatboxes than computers.

    Secondly, it's not just chatboxes. It's automation on a vast scale, from driving to email response to predictive maintenance.

    Thirdly, computers still needed a user for each one, whereas now the next wave is machine to machine interfacing.

    Fourthly, we are not saying 50% unemployment. We are saying 50% of the population seeing stagnant or declining living standards. Which we are already seeing. It will just get a lot worse.
    If we looked at a 50s office, we might have assumed that contemporary networked computers could have laid everyone else off. Computers and their users are looking after the things that used to be in dozens of workers' books or heads. But that means you can do things with the other workers. Admittedly, in recent years, a lot of those things have been ultra-low-growth tasks in regulatory compliance and lawsuit deterrence.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    DavidL said:

    Ok. Bored now.

    Yes.

    This game is boring.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I wouldn't be very worried about this England side if I were France.

    Kyle Walker doesn't look fit at all, Mbappe will absolutely rinse him.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    If Sadio Mane was playing in this match England would be out.

    Only Mbappe & Dembele to deal with if we get through this match.....
    If.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Goal !!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    edited December 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    I wouldn't be very worried about this England side if I were France.

    Naught but Stateside propaganda!
  • Magnificent from Jordan Henderson.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Nice.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Senegal don't really deserve to be 1-0 down.
  • Bellingham showing some class.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Goalie should have got that.
  • 1-0!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    A France without Pogba, Kante and Benzema.
    Bloody good job I reckon.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    It’s coming home…
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Ok. Bored now.

    Yes.

    This game is boring.
    Thank you....
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694

    Any other pb-ers been to Senegal? Really nice folk there, I found.

    I've been. I actualy preferred The Gambia as I found people friendlier there.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Kane, you are shite....
  • Kane, you are shite....

    You can see why he's never won a trophy.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tories v. Nurses

    That’s one sided.

    4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
    I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.

    If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
    HMRC mileage rates are 45p up to 10k and 25p after that.

    Even now fuel in most normal cars is less than 25p per mile (my diesel Corsa is around 15p).
    A diesel Corsa is not a normal car!
    Only two more popular models than the Corsa. Admittedly the petrol version is less fuel efficient, but not so much that it would be pushing 25p/mile. And that would be true of most normal size cars. Gas-guzzling people carriers might be a different matter, but outside of that I can't see anyone is out of pocket at 25p/mile.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    SandraMc said:

    Any other pb-ers been to Senegal? Really nice folk there, I found.

    I've been. I actualy preferred The Gambia as I found people friendlier there.
    People in Guinea Bissau were great too. Poor as all hell though.

    Had a great evening in a bar there teaching the locals "bottoms up"....

    And there was one tribal group who used to wear a distinctive red bobble hat!
  • Betfair have FINALLY paid out on the House!

    Fucking whoppee. Only took them a month.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    EPG said:

    WillG said:

    EPG said:

    We integrated computers and the Internet into Western labour markets over the last 40 years. Going from no computer to computer to online is bigger than no chatbot to chatbot. It didn't lead to 50% unemployment or a lack of need for migration.

    Firstly, I am not sure that's true. There are many more hours of work activity that can be replaced by chatboxes than computers.

    Secondly, it's not just chatboxes. It's automation on a vast scale, from driving to email response to predictive maintenance.

    Thirdly, computers still needed a user for each one, whereas now the next wave is machine to machine interfacing.

    Fourthly, we are not saying 50% unemployment. We are saying 50% of the population seeing stagnant or declining living standards. Which we are already seeing. It will just get a lot worse.
    If we looked at a 50s office, we might have assumed that contemporary networked computers could have laid everyone else off. Computers and their users are looking after the things that used to be in dozens of workers' books or heads. But that means you can do things with the other workers. Admittedly, in recent years, a lot of those things have been ultra-low-growth tasks in regulatory compliance and lawsuit deterrence.
    But that is the issue. Computers just replaced the first 10-15% of basic tasks. Low skill workers could move on to more of the other 85%. Now we are going to get to the 80th or 90th percentile of those basic tasks. This automation is on top of the previous automation. Low skill workers are squeezed into smaller and smaller chunks of activity. The "other things" that can be done are high skilled management work, integrating systems etc. Many people won't be up to it.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803
    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tories v. Nurses

    That’s one sided.

    4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
    I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.

    If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
    HMRC mileage rates are 45p up to 10k and 25p after that.

    Even now fuel in most normal cars is less than 25p per mile (my diesel Corsa is around 15p).
    A diesel Corsa is not a normal car!
    Mileage isn't just for fuel though. There are a lot more costs associated with a car than just the fuel.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    What happens if the majority of people decide they don't like what AI is offering?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Another goal !!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    edited December 2022



    People in Guinea Bissau were great too. Poor as all hell though.

    Had a great evening in a bar there teaching the locals "bottoms up"....

    Is that you, Michael Palin?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    Kane, you are shite....

    Hee hee....
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Boom! Exquisite counter attack!
  • Big big time to score!!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited December 2022

    Kane, you are shite....

    Big thank you to you, too.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    We're much better than 'one man band' France.
  • PBers strike again.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568



    People in Guinea Bissau were great too. Poor as all hell though.

    Had a great evening in a bar there teaching the locals "bottoms up"....

    Is that you, Michael Palin?
    I used his close protection guy in Algeria. Some great stories....
  • Great team goal that.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tories v. Nurses

    That’s one sided.

    4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
    I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.

    If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
    HMRC mileage rates are 45p up to 10k and 25p after that.

    Even now fuel in most normal cars is less than 25p per mile (my diesel Corsa is around 15p).
    A diesel Corsa is not a normal car!
    Mileage isn't just for fuel though. There are a lot more costs associated with a car than just the fuel.
    This is true, but quite a lot of those costs are, if not fixed, not directly proportional to mileage.

    Hence the threshold at 10k miles.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    The trick is to win whilst your playing poorly.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    Betfair have FINALLY paid out on the House!

    Fucking whoppee. Only took them a month.

    Which, in fairness, given the speed the Americans count the votes, is not bad at all.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    edited December 2022
    Lol. Once England get one goal, seems that we tend to do much better
  • Kane is Able!
  • Kane, you are shite....

    Has Leon hacked your account? 2-0!
  • That first half has to be the greatest bit of larceny against Africans by the Brits since the Empire.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    Great team goal that.

    Yes, MM played a blinder.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited December 2022
    Well.
    That was one of the least dominant 2-0 halves I've ever seen.
    Bellingham was immense.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    My wife came in to see what was going on in the game, and I was just talking about the prospect of extra time when England won the ball back...
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    For Gareth and the boys…



    bad taste I would say
    If you consider that bad taste then you really are an innocent.

    You should see some of the memes on my phone.
    I am sure they are bad taste as well. Just because your memes maybe are more in bad taste does not mean this is not=
    Let me introduce you to Poe's Law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
    Is that similar to Tinky Winkys law and Dipsys law ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    That first half has to be the greatest bit of larceny against Africans by the Brits since the Empire.

    Benin bronzes had nothing on it.....
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Lol. Once England get one goal, seems that we tend to do much better

    Oh, yeah, and the Iran game was the perfect example. We struggle to break down teams that are playing for 0-0 from kickoff. Break through once and everything changes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tories v. Nurses

    That’s one sided.

    4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
    I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.

    If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
    HMRC mileage rates are 45p up to 10k and 25p after that.

    Even now fuel in most normal cars is less than 25p per mile (my diesel Corsa is around 15p).

    It covers wear and tear too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    edited December 2022
    Taz said:

    For Gareth and the boys…



    bad taste I would say
    If you consider that bad taste then you really are an innocent.

    You should see some of the memes on my phone.
    I am sure they are bad taste as well. Just because your memes maybe are more in bad taste does not mean this is not=
    Let me introduce you to Poe's Law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
    Is that similar to Tinky Winkys law and Dipsys law ?
    Nah, it's just La-La!
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    kinabalu said:

    We're much better than 'one man band' France.

    Giroud, Mbappe, Dembele, Griezman...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Jonathan said:

    The trick is to win whilst your playing poorly.

    It's our only hope!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited December 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    What happens if the majority of people decide they don't like what AI is offering?

    I'm sorry Dave I can't do anything about that.
  • Good goals, bad play. I have to be honest that Brazil, Argentina and France have all looked better than the half I've just seen. England can be better though.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tories v. Nurses

    That’s one sided.

    4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
    I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.

    If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
    HMRC mileage rates are 45p up to 10k and 25p after that.

    Even now fuel in most normal cars is less than 25p per mile (my diesel Corsa is around 15p).

    It covers wear and tear too.

    Magnificent from Jordan Henderson.

    Bellingham made that goal.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    Kane, you are shite....

    Hee hee....
    Rogerdamus would be proud.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ping said:

    I think the tories have lost interest in governing.

    the day they made BoZo leader...
  • Good goals, bad play. I have to be honest that Brazil, Argentina and France have all looked better than the half I've just seen. England can be better though.

    Argentina have looked pretty dire for long periods. France's defence is just as bad as England's.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    .
    Scott_xP said:

    ping said:

    I think the tories have lost interest in governing.

    the day they made BoZo leader...
    Who then won the largest Tory majority since thatcher 🤔
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    WillG said:

    kinabalu said:

    We're much better than 'one man band' France.

    Giroud, Mbappe, Dembele, Griezman...
    Yeah, France may be depleted but jeez.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    Scott_xP said:

    ping said:

    I think the tories have lost interest in governing.

    the day they made BoZo leader...
    But you told us that under him, we were regarded as the second safest sovereign in the G7…
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    If the Tories really still think the pensioners are their "client vote", I think they're in for a nasty shock.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    Kane is Able!

    Been waiting 3.5 games to post that gem Sunil?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    Good goals, bad play. I have to be honest that Brazil, Argentina and France have all looked better than the half I've just seen. England can be better though.

    I disagree. That first goal was very good. There wasn’t a lot Senegal could do about it. England had some shaky moments in that half, but they have the ability to open teams up. France will be very difficult, but they can beat them.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    EPG said:

    We integrated computers and the Internet into Western labour markets over the last 40 years. Going from no computer to computer to online is bigger than no chatbot to chatbot. It didn't lead to 50% unemployment or a lack of need for migration.

    Firstly, I am not sure that's true. There are many more hours of work activity that can be replaced by chatboxes than computers.

    Secondly, it's not just chatboxes. It's automation on a vast scale, from driving to email response to predictive maintenance.

    Thirdly, computers still needed a user for each one, whereas now the next wave is machine to machine interfacing.

    Fourthly, we are not saying 50% unemployment. We are saying 50% of the population seeing stagnant or declining living standards. Which we are already seeing. It will just get a lot worse.
    If the 'chatboxes' are accurate, yes. But what happens when they're wrong? If we're @rsing around on the Internet, they're fine. But what happens when we ask them for advice that is (ahem) dangerous?

    Take the recipes that Leon was masturbating over earlier (and there's an unpleasant image). Say the AI decided that uncooked kidney beans would be a good part of the recipe?

    There are many other examples where an AI *might* provide a good starting point: but you may well need a knowledgeable human in the loop to check that it is right five-nines. Which is exactly the problem autonomous cars have.
    You just don’t get it. You haven’t got the brain for it and you hate change. Meh
    LOL. No. I don't hate change. That's why I worked in tech - and area that is about constant change.

    I'll repeat what I've said before: the threat from AI does not come from AI itself. It comes from idiots believing that AI is more capable than it really is, and therefore putting it in charge of things that really matter.

    "Computer says yes."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Chris said:

    If the Tories really still think the pensioners are their "client vote", I think they're in for a nasty shock.

    They are still
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    Good goals, bad play. I have to be honest that Brazil, Argentina and France have all looked better than the half I've just seen. England can be better though.

    Argentina have looked pretty dire for long periods. France's defence is just as bad as England's.
    Yes, but Mbappe. France win.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906

    If the 'chatboxes' are accurate, yes. But what happens when they're wrong? If we're @rsing around on the Internet, they're fine. But what happens when we ask them for advice that is (ahem) dangerous?

    How is that any different from human beings who give out wrong advice all the time? If the error rate by computers is lower they will replace human beings.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/

    An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war

    Why do you hate public servants?

    You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
    It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.

    A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour

    It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
    Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.

    Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote

  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    DavidL said:

    Good goals, bad play. I have to be honest that Brazil, Argentina and France have all looked better than the half I've just seen. England can be better though.

    Argentina have looked pretty dire for long periods. France's defence is just as bad as England's.
    Yes, but Mbappe. France win.
    Eleven a side. This isn't basketball.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    dixiedean said:

    Well.
    That was one of the least dominant 2-0 halves I've ever seen.
    Bellingham was immense.

    The best player on the pitch. Great move going to Germany, did wonders for his game. Much better than sitting on the bench here.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Taz said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    ping said:

    I think the tories have lost interest in governing.

    the day they made BoZo leader...
    Who then won the largest Tory majority since thatcher 🤔
    And had zero interest in governing with it
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited December 2022
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Well.
    That was one of the least dominant 2-0 halves I've ever seen.
    Bellingham was immense.

    The best player on the pitch. Great move going to Germany, did wonders for his game. Much better than sitting on the bench here.
    Although he was always on the field for Birmingham City to be fair. They retired the number 22 after him even though he left at 17.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,158
    edited December 2022
    Very direct, a lot of long balls from England. Almost like 90's England of a few years' ago ; but Southgate has it in him to get them playing in a more cultured style again ; I suppose he thinks that's what's needed here.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    ping said:

    I think the tories have lost interest in governing.

    the day they made BoZo leader...
    Who then won the largest Tory majority since thatcher 🤔
    And had zero interest in governing with it
    Well COVID came along.

    The Tories picked Boris who was an election winner. You claimed they lost interest in governing by making him leader.

    That’s not true given he won a thumping majority.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/

    An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war

    Why do you hate public servants?

    You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
    It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.

    A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour

    It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
    Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.

    Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote

    Indeed.
    It would be nice if there were a party who would champion the interests of the private sector. I'd vote for it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    No doubt in my mind. Foden has the worst haircut in modern football. .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/

    An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war

    Why do you hate public servants?

    You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
    It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.

    A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour

    It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
    Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.

    Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote

    Indeed.
    It would be nice if there were a party who would champion the interests of the private sector. I'd vote for it.
    It would be especially nice if there were a party out there that did not see democracy and taxation as a purely transactional arrangement.

    Sadly, there never has been.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Well.
    That was one of the least dominant 2-0 halves I've ever seen.
    Bellingham was immense.

    The best player on the pitch. Great move going to Germany, did wonders for his game. Much better than sitting on the bench here.
    Although he was always on the field for Birmingham City to be fair. They retired the number 22 after him even though he left at 17.
    Fair enough, but I don't think he would have developed as well as a player in the PL.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Well.
    That was one of the least dominant 2-0 halves I've ever seen.
    Bellingham was immense.

    The best player on the pitch. Great move going to Germany, did wonders for his game. Much better than sitting on the bench here.
    Although he was always on the field for Birmingham City to be fair. They named a stand after him even though he left at 17.
    They retired his shirt number when he left. There is no Bellingham a stand there.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    The Senegalese crowd is great.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    edited December 2022
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Well.
    That was one of the least dominant 2-0 halves I've ever seen.
    Bellingham was immense.

    The best player on the pitch. Great move going to Germany, did wonders for his game. Much better than sitting on the bench here.
    Although he was always on the field for Birmingham City to be fair. They retired the number 22 after him even though he left at 17.
    Fair enough, but I don't think he would have developed as well as a player in the PL.
    No. He had the choice of Man United or Dortmund. His Dad saw what happened with Jaden Sancho.
    He'd have made the occasional League Cup appearance for United.
  • In amongst all the excitement, you may not have noticed that Harry Kane is one goal away from equalling Wayne Rooney's all-time goalscoring record for England.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Taz said:

    The Tories picked Boris who was an election winner. You claimed they lost interest in governing by making him leader.

    That’s not true given he won a thumping majority.

    It is true.

    He, as leader, had no interest in governing.

    He wanted to be PM. He didn't want to do the job of PM.

    What have they done with their "thumping" majority?

    The only country in the World to impose economic sanctions on themselves, followed by economic meltdown and much higher taxes.

    Oh, wait, they "took back control" of our borders, resulting in thousands more channel migrants.

    They haven't a fucking clue how to govern. Perhaps because all of the Tories who knew how to do it were expelled.

    By BoZo...

    As I said.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    edited December 2022
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/

    An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war

    Why do you hate public servants?

    You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
    It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.

    A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour

    It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
    Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.

    Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote

    "taxes".

    Do you have a time machine, or are you a member of one of those weird linguistic groups which has no past or present tense?

    Whacking fib there. Been a huge fib for all of 12 years. Apart from minor twiddles in Wales.

    Edit: this is a direct quote from your post, in case you edit it without admitting it. "Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    edited December 2022
    Three
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Three !
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Are France worried yet?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    Three.
    We look a good side when in front.
  • Brilliant from Foden.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Beautiful pass and Saka did so well to stay onside.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/

    An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war

    Why do you hate public servants?

    You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
    It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.

    A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour

    It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
    Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.

    Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote

    "taxes".

    Do you have a time machine, or are you a member of one of those weird linguistic groups which has no past or present tense?

    Whacking fib there. Been a huge fib for all of 12 years. Apart from minor twiddles in Wales.
    Well, previously they would have borrowed too.

    Not an option now.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    England are very good.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Leon must have a bet on Senegal.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    The Tories picked Boris who was an election winner. You claimed they lost interest in governing by making him leader.

    That’s not true given he won a thumping majority.

    It is true.

    He, as leader, had no interest in governing.

    He wanted to be PM. He didn't want to do the job of PM.

    What have they done with their "thumping" majority?

    The only country in the World to impose economic sanctions on themselves, followed by economic meltdown and much higher taxes.

    Oh, wait, they "took back control" of our borders, resulting in thousands more channel migrants.

    They haven't a fucking clue how to govern. Perhaps because all of the Tories who knew how to do it were expelled.

    By BoZo...

    As I said.
    Nope. You claimed the Tories gave up on winning by picking Boris.

    He won a thumping majority.

    He won.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,158
    edited December 2022
    Certainly great goals ; the level of performance will have to be a lot better against France though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    We want 7, we want 7.....
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