If the 'chatboxes' are accurate, yes. But what happens when they're wrong? If we're @rsing around on the Internet, they're fine. But what happens when we ask them for advice that is (ahem) dangerous?
How is that any different from human beings who give out wrong advice all the time? If the error rate by computers is lower they will replace human beings.
Human beings do not give out 'bad' advice all the time. Far from.
Here's an example where a human-in-the-loop was invaluable (if you believe the story...) Incidentally, this occurred a month or so after 'War Games' was released.
There are also issues with culpability: if I go out and shoot someone, I'm liable. If a police robot shoots someone, who is liable? The robot? The officers who sent it in? The programmer?
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.
A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour
It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.
Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote
"taxes".
Do you have a time machine, or are you a member of one of those weird linguistic groups which has no past or present tense?
Whacking fib there. Been a huge fib for all of 12 years. Apart from minor twiddles in Wales.
Well, previously they would have borrowed too.
Not an option now.
Doesn't change the basic Tory strategy - fib about Labour being worse.
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.
A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour
It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.
Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote
"taxes".
Do you have a time machine, or are you a member of one of those weird linguistic groups which has no past or present tense?
Whacking fib there. Been a huge fib for all of 12 years. Apart from minor twiddles in Wales.
Well, previously they would have borrowed too.
Not an option now.
Oh, we’re still borrowing, a lot. Just that there’s no more headroom.
Rice and Bellingham in central midfield is a very exciting long term prospect for England. Especially with Mount, Gallagher and Elliott to add into the mix.
If the 'chatboxes' are accurate, yes. But what happens when they're wrong? If we're @rsing around on the Internet, they're fine. But what happens when we ask them for advice that is (ahem) dangerous?
How is that any different from human beings who give out wrong advice all the time? If the error rate by computers is lower they will replace human beings.
Most people are willing to forgive other human beings when they make mistakes. That may not be the case with computers.
Rice and Bellingham in central midfield is a very exciting long term prospect for England. Especially with Mount, Gallagher and Elliott to add into the mix.
To this football ignoramus, Foden looks quite useful, too.
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.
A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour
It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.
Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote
"taxes".
Do you have a time machine, or are you a member of one of those weird linguistic groups which has no past or present tense?
Whacking fib there. Been a huge fib for all of 12 years. Apart from minor twiddles in Wales.
Well, previously they would have borrowed too.
Not an option now.
Doesn't change the basic Tory strategy - fib about Labour being worse.
Rice and Bellingham in central midfield is a very exciting long term prospect for England. Especially with Mount, Gallagher and Elliott to add into the mix.
To this football ignoramus, Foden looks quite useful, too.
Foden is a winger. We have lots of talent there too: Saka, Smith-Rowe, Rashford in addition to Foden. Our biggest issue is no obvious replacement to Kane since Greenwood ended his career. We need Tammy Abraham or Rashford to step up.
If the 'chatboxes' are accurate, yes. But what happens when they're wrong? If we're @rsing around on the Internet, they're fine. But what happens when we ask them for advice that is (ahem) dangerous?
How is that any different from human beings who give out wrong advice all the time? If the error rate by computers is lower they will replace human beings.
Human beings do not give out 'bad' advice all the time. Far from.
Here's an example where a human-in-the-loop was invaluable (if you believe the story...) Incidentally, this occurred a month or so after 'War Games' was released.
There are also issues with culpability: if I go out and shoot someone, I'm liable. If a police robot shoots someone, who is liable? The robot? The officers who sent it in? The programmer?
"If the error rate by computers is lower they will replace human beings."
True Turingites don't get it that not all communications or predictions can be appraised for accuracy on a single quantitative scale. Got to wonder how they ever fall in love or suss that a baby is becoming overtired.
4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.
If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
It's almost certainly incorrect. The £200 per month seems quite high, given what it is. I don't spend £200 per month on parking, and wouldn't even if I parked every day at the office (£8 x 22 = £176.... okay, not far off, but I could park at the much cheaper £5 per day car park, or even £3 per day if I chose to walk a bit further).
The mileage rates so described would cause an absolute nightmare. As noted, they're NOT the pre-approved mileage rates set by HMRC, so the 11p excess should be subject to a BIK charge, but then the 20p shortfall on the rate between 45p and 25p on the remaining 7,000 miles could be reclaimed at 20%.
HMRC won't give a shit if you don't claim the tax back, but they will damn well want that 11p x 20% off every nurse for the overclaimed mileage. That means every nurse is on self assessment, or else has to have a bespoke P11D.... every nurse in the country.
((Of course, maybe its true - HMRC are so shit these days, they probably wouldn't know their own rules allow them to claim the 11p excess))
Rice and Bellingham in central midfield is a very exciting long term prospect for England. Especially with Mount, Gallagher and Elliott to add into the mix.
To this football ignoramus, Foden looks quite useful, too.
Foden is a winger. We have lots of talent there too: Saka, Smith-Rowe, Rashford in addition to Foden. Our biggest issue is no obvious replacement to Kane since Greenwood ended his career. We need Tammy Abraham or Rashford to step up.
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
I've actually had some quite strong reactions from people against the idea of nurses getting anywhere near what they are asking for, on the grounds that those in minimum wage like in social care deserve it more.
But. As has been pointed out. It isn't about "deserve". It's about staff retention and recruitment in both cases.
True. But there is a point about public sympathy and if this will put pressure on the government to concede its position.
4% is just silly. They are going to have to give way on this to at least 6%, probably 7%. They would honestly be better doing it now with better grace.
I have been told - whether truthfully or not I do not know - that almost all trusts charge nurses around £200 a month for parking. Plus, that after the first 3,000 miles the mileage rate for community nurses drops from a reasonable 56p per mile to a derisory 25p per mile.
If true, a very very easy win would be to ban trusts from charging staff for parking while they're on shift and upping the mileage rate. The former would increase take home pay by around 15% in the case of any nurse with a car which outside London, Birmingham and Manchester is I would assume the vast majority of them.
It's almost certainly incorrect. The £200 per month seems quite high, given what it is. I don't spend £200 per month on parking, and wouldn't even if I parked every day at the office (£8 x 22 = £176.... okay, not far off, but I could park at the much cheaper £5 per day car park, or even £3 per day if I chose to walk a bit further).
The mileage rates so described would cause an absolute nightmare. As noted, they're NOT the pre-approved mileage rates set by HMRC, so the 11p excess should be subject to a BIK charge, but then the 20p shortfall on the rate between 45p and 25p on the remaining 7,000 miles could be reclaimed at 20%.
HMRC won't give a shit if you don't claim the tax back, but they will damn well want that 11p x 20% off every nurse for the overclaimed mileage. That means every nurse is on self assessment, or else has to have a bespoke P11D.... every nurse in the country.
((Of course, maybe its true - HMRC are so shit these days, they probably wouldn't know their own rules allow them to claim the 11p excess))
£200 per year I can believe. I pay £38 Per month for parking permit.
True Turingites don't get it that not all communications can be appraised on a single quantitative scale. Got to wonder how they ever fall in love or suss that a baby is getting overtired.
You measure their performance, which we do for most important jobs anyway. If computers beat people they get the job and the people get the boot.
Certainly great goals ; the level of performance will have to be a lot better against France though.
Yep. Which is what you want. Last thing we needed today was to use up a great performance against Senegal. Genuine contenders have 2 max 3 great performances in them. If you use them inefficiently you don't win the WC.
Rice and Bellingham in central midfield is a very exciting long term prospect for England. Especially with Mount, Gallagher and Elliott to add into the mix.
To this football ignoramus, Foden looks quite useful, too.
Foden is a winger. We have lots of talent there too: Saka, Smith-Rowe, Rashford in addition to Foden. Our biggest issue is no obvious replacement to Kane since Greenwood ended his career. We need Tammy Abraham or Rashford to step up.
Also a lack of long term left backs.
I think that Foden is more an inside left than a winger. And potentially England's best player.
True Turingites don't get it that not all communications can be appraised on a single quantitative scale. Got to wonder how they ever fall in love or suss that a baby is getting overtired.
You measure their performance, which we do for most important jobs anyway. If computers beat people they get the job and the people get the boot.
I think you missed my point. But perhaps I missed yours too. I thought you were positing an eventual generalised or even universal replacement of human beings by computers.
Certainly great goals ; the level of performance will have to be a lot better against France though.
Yep. Which is what you want. Last thing we needed today was to use up a great performance against Senegal. Genuine contenders have 2 max 3 great performances in them. If you use them inefficiently you don't win the WC.
Ok. I don’t know very much about football, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work like that.
You want form.
Great performances are always a good indicator for future games. Poor, or unconvincing performances are never good.
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.
A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour
It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.
Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote
Indeed. It would be nice if there were a party who would champion the interests of the private sector. I'd vote for it.
Private sector workers are the swing voters between Tory Pensioners and Labour Public Sector
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
I've actually had some quite strong reactions from people against the idea of nurses getting anywhere near what they are asking for, on the grounds that those in minimum wage like in social care deserve it more.
But. As has been pointed out. It isn't about "deserve". It's about staff retention and recruitment in both cases.
True. But there is a point about public sympathy and if this will put pressure on the government to concede its position.
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.
A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour
It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.
Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote
"taxes".
Do you have a time machine, or are you a member of one of those weird linguistic groups which has no past or present tense?
Whacking fib there. Been a huge fib for all of 12 years. Apart from minor twiddles in Wales.
Well, previously they would have borrowed too.
Not an option now.
Doesn't change the basic Tory strategy - fib about Labour being worse.
In 2019, that wasn't a fib.
Was it? Were Labour *actually* taxing, in the present tense of the verb? No, they were not.
Nurses probably deserve more than a 4% payrise but if they get significantly more than the 6% average UK payrise this year then the average taxpayer will be paying them for a bigger rise than they get.
An above inflation payrise and we risk an inflationary wage spiral adding to the inflation pressures from the sanctions and supply restrictions from the Russian Ukrainian war
Why do you hate public servants?
You are reading from Zahawi's hymnsheet. As someone with political ambitions it is not the look you think it is.
It is not hating public servants to suggest they shouldn’t get more than the 6% average pay rise.
A Tory government is certainly not going to tax private sector workers and pensioners more to give public sector workers a bigger pay rise than they get, especially when most public sector workers vote Labour
It only taxes private sector workers to give pensioners a bigger rise than they get...
Pensioners reward for voting overwhelmingly Conservative, indeed more so than private sector workers.
Just as Labour taxes private sector workers more to fund its public sector client vote
"taxes".
Do you have a time machine, or are you a member of one of those weird linguistic groups which has no past or present tense?
Whacking fib there. Been a huge fib for all of 12 years. Apart from minor twiddles in Wales.
Well, previously they would have borrowed too.
Not an option now.
Doesn't change the basic Tory strategy - fib about Labour being worse.
In 2019, that wasn't a fib.
Was it? Were Labour *actually* taxing, in the present tense of the verb? No, they were not.
I was just referring to the "Labour being worse". Certainly true in 2019.
Certainly great goals ; the level of performance will have to be a lot better against France though.
Yep. Which is what you want. Last thing we needed today was to use up a great performance against Senegal. Genuine contenders have 2 max 3 great performances in them. If you use them inefficiently you don't win the WC.
Ok. I don’t know very much about football, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work like that.
You want form.
Great performances are always a good indicator for future games. Poor, or unconvincing performances are never good.
Nope. International tournament football DOES work like that. There's a rhythm to it.
Boring match, good result, with some great goals as well.
It wasn't boring. It was engrossing. Watch basketball or something.
I have seen some engrossing lower-scoring games in this world cup, but I wouldn't put this one in that category, for myself. Senegal barely seemed to have turned up, at times.
Their fans were relentlessly cheerful and richly musical, though - a credit to their nation. As befits them, because Senegal and Mail are well-known for having the best music in Africa.
Boring match, good result, with some great goals as well.
It wasn't boring. It was engrossing. Watch basketball or something.
I have seen some engrossing lower-scoring games in this world cup, but I wouldn't put this one in that category, for myself. Senegal barely seemed to have turned up, at times.
They were rather flimsy that's true. And that goalie.
"The Chinese digital Stasi With 540 million camreras, AI that identifies you by your walk and knows how you're feeling, and a system to rate a citizen's loyalty, President Xi has built a 21st-century state to crush dissent"
Ridiculous not taking off Kane. If he gets injuried, England are absolutely f##ked.
We’ve scored 12 goals in 4 games, Kane one of them. Yes he is excellent as a target and in hold up play, but I dont think we’d be totally sunk without him.
"The Chinese digital Stasi With 540 million camreras, AI that identifies you by your walk and knows how you're feeling, and a system to rate a citizen's loyalty, President Xi has built a 21st-century state to crush dissent"
After the excitement and thrills of the group stages these knockouts have been dull so far. All 4 won by the favourite. None of whom ever looked like losing.
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Here's an example where a human-in-the-loop was invaluable (if you believe the story...) Incidentally, this occurred a month or so after 'War Games' was released.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident
There are also issues with culpability: if I go out and shoot someone, I'm liable. If a police robot shoots someone, who is liable? The robot? The officers who sent it in? The programmer?
I said they gave up on governing.
Which they did
Just that there’s no more headroom.
Form a queue lads.
England 6/4 v 4/6 France
Maybe even a little tighter.
I mean in the last few weeks the Scots have been Iranians, Americans, Welsh, Senegalese, and next week French.
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1599493113302523904
They picked a winner.
Also a lack of long term left backs.
"If the error rate by computers is lower they will replace human beings."
True Turingites don't get it that not all communications or predictions can be appraised for accuracy on a single quantitative scale. Got to wonder how they ever fall in love or suss that a baby is becoming overtired.
The £200 per month seems quite high, given what it is. I don't spend £200 per month on parking, and wouldn't even if I parked every day at the office (£8 x 22 = £176.... okay, not far off, but I could park at the much cheaper £5 per day car park, or even £3 per day if I chose to walk a bit further).
The mileage rates so described would cause an absolute nightmare. As noted, they're NOT the pre-approved mileage rates set by HMRC, so the 11p excess should be subject to a BIK charge, but then the 20p shortfall on the rate between 45p and 25p on the remaining 7,000 miles could be reclaimed at 20%.
HMRC won't give a shit if you don't claim the tax back, but they will damn well want that 11p x 20% off every nurse for the overclaimed mileage.
That means every nurse is on self assessment, or else has to have a bespoke P11D.... every nurse in the country.
((Of course, maybe its true - HMRC are so shit these days, they probably wouldn't know their own rules allow them to claim the 11p excess))
Per month for parking permit.
You want form.
Great performances are always a good indicator for future games. Poor, or unconvincing performances are never good.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/eyyy9mimz1/TheTimes_VI_221130_W.pdf
I would prefer a GB and NI football team though as at the Olympics
Their fans were relentlessly cheerful and richly musical, though - a credit to their nation. As befits them, because Senegal and Mail are well-known for having the best music in Africa.
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Watching the match in Leeds with
@lisanandy
@TracyBrabin
@Keir_Starmer
&
@GordonBrown
Go England!! 🏴
https://twitter.com/RachelReevesMP/status/1599501123009875971?s=20&t=-gM4NFLFhaOoFOZM7aDwnw
Is it? Is it coming?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-world-cup-predictions/bracket/
"The Chinese digital Stasi
With 540 million camreras, AI that identifies you by your walk and knows how you're feeling, and a system to rate a citizen's loyalty, President Xi has built a 21st-century state to crush dissent"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinas-digital-stasi-sees-all-from-cyberspace-999jfxh8h
Only Nationalists get by on hating England more than even supporting their own team to win
They are still favourites but hmm
God damn Mbappe! If it wasn't for him we'd likely cruise through. But: Mbappe
"Marsh, if you don't buck up I'll pull you off at half time"
"Really guv? Under Alf we just got a drink and an orange."
All 4 won by the favourite. None of whom ever looked like losing.