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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    A few martyrs for the cause always works a treat.

    ‘This year’s Emily Wilding Davison medal goes to Jeremy X, beaten to death by ruddy faced commuters on the North Circular.’
    Gluing your face to the middle of the M25 and then being clubbed to death by Pepsi bottles filled with piss sounds more like a Darwin Award.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Pagan2 said:

    COP27 like all the previous COP's is an utter waste of time and no more than a free junket for a photo op for politicians. They make a token agreement then all go home and break it. Complete and utter waste of time while pumping ton's of CO2 into the atmosphere.

    Example germany attended COP26 signed up to it all then do this
    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Germany-Is-Dismantling-A-Wind-Farm-To-Make-Way-For-A-Coal-Mine.html
    A free junket, photo ops for politicians, and a chance for everyone to have their phone hacked:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/cop-27-climate-change-app-cybersecurity-weapon-risks/

    “Western security advisers are warning delegates at the COP27 climate summit not to download the host Egyptian government's official smartphone app, amid fears it could be used to hack their private emails, texts and even voice conversations.”
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,563

    Firstly there are big campaigns to convince us global warming is a hoax. There front organisations have been cited here numerous times over the years.

    Second, even Greta Thunberg acknowledges that there's a limited amount that individuals can do on their own. A lot of the necessary changes are changes of infrastructure, not personal consumer choice.

    Secondly, when it comes to personal change, people rarely want to go out on a limb and appear weird by doing things differently. We saw this with the pandemic where usage of masks was low when it was only advised, but then increased when it was mandated. The assumption that most other people won't bother to change makes individuals feel that changing themselves is a waste of effort - unless the government forces everyone to comply.

    We see a similar logic at play when people argue it's pointless for the UK to take action unless China does.
    Those campaigns are far from the MSM and it is the MSM where the vast majority of people hang out.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TOPPING said:

    I mean you categorise my constant reposting of that acute, incisive, and wholly relevant daily mash article as: "Life is very, very pleasant here in Richistan, I don't see what the fuss is about."

    Your views on Stop Oil could be construed equally as: "Rich old bloke who has enjoyed life and has plenty, some of which he is willing to forego, tries to kick away the stepladder from those on their way up."

    Same for the Global North towards the Global South for that matter.
    Well, yes, there are no good choices. I was just trying to articulate the case being made by JSO who to be fair to them probably are willing to forego the diesel trucks and intercontinental flights and stuff. There really is a valid case to be made that we ALL need to be subjecting ourselves to a great deal more inconvenience than the handful directly affected by the M25 closures are undergoing. Not saying it is right, but I am saying it deserves attention.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,457
    kinabalu said:

    I'll forgive the cliched, amateur hour psych.

    Yes, shades of why "Boris" is liked by a chunk of the working class. Not the whole story, obvs, but I think it's in there.

    That Cleese and the Ronnies thing was more a sketch than a "documentary" wasn't it? Unless I've only caught the famous bit and there's lots more.
    Not to mention 60 years out of date!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,680

    Firstly there are big campaigns to convince us global warming is a hoax. There front organisations have been cited here numerous times over the years.

    Second, even Greta Thunberg acknowledges that there's a limited amount that individuals can do on their own. A lot of the necessary changes are changes of infrastructure, not personal consumer choice.

    Secondly, when it comes to personal change, people rarely want to go out on a limb and appear weird by doing things differently. We saw this with the pandemic where usage of masks was low when it was only advised, but then increased when it was mandated. The assumption that most other people won't bother to change makes individuals feel that changing themselves is a waste of effort - unless the government forces everyone to comply.

    We see a similar logic at play when people argue it's pointless for the UK to take action unless China does.
    It seems to me that even the most committed tend to have weak intellectual spots. Some nice young people on R4 Today this morning, judgemental about things as only the young can be, suddenly got explicitly unjudgemental about people like them travelling in aeroplanes. Many make little mention of coal use elsewhere (try India, China, Poland) while wanting to attack a trivially small application to mine coal with specialist application in Cumbria.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,982
    edited November 2022
    WillG said:

    Is that so unusual? In a modern 4-3-3, you have two wide forwards and one #9. In a modern 4-2-3-1, you have two inside forwards, a #10 and one #9. In an old fashioned 4-4-2, you have a #10 and... one #9. Back in Alan Shearer's day we would only have 2-3 outright strikers in a squad, same as today.
    The rigid two up front, with little man / big man, has pretty much gone from modern football. Formations are much more fluid. It is becoming increasingly difficult even to say a team plays 4-3-3 etc.
  • Driver said:

    Ah, modern football. Only two actual proper strikers, I think? so a lot riding on Kane.
    I watched Kane last night in the Forest/Spurs League Cup game and he looked well tired - got took off at 60 mins
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    You really are the most miserable, pessimistic doom-monger when it comes to any English national team. It's pretty drab fare Francis.
    I know! Not just him either. Lots like that. My whole adult life of 40 odd years we disappoint in the big football tourneys, then Southgate takes us to a WC semi and straight after that a Euro final where we're half the width of a goal post from lifting the trophy. It's a fantastic record. Can't believe the whinging. Utterly pathetic and if I had my way worthy of a swingeing ban from PB.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,982
    edited November 2022

    I watched Kane last night in the Forest/Spurs League Cup game and he looked well tired - got took off at 60 mins
    Probably something to do with at Spurs for the past 5+ years he plays every game, full 90 mins, followed by the full 90 mins for every England game...rinse and repeat until he gets injured.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,010
    edited November 2022
    Looks like Jerome Powell's strong chemo is working to kill US inflation. Here's hoping anyway.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    TOPPING said:

    Richmond is very nice I hear.
    That's off. Staying put for now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Jerome Powell's strong chemo is working to kill US inflation. Here's hoping anyway.

    Once they stop emptying the SPR it might not look so rosy but it at least boosts the pound and reduces our black hole for now
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    Sandpit said:

    A free junket, photo ops for politicians, and a chance for everyone to have their phone hacked:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/cop-27-climate-change-app-cybersecurity-weapon-risks/

    “Western security advisers are warning delegates at the COP27 climate summit not to download the host Egyptian government's official smartphone app, amid fears it could be used to hack their private emails, texts and even voice conversations.”
    Any Government official stupid enough to arrive at an international summit and download the host’s “official app” should be sacked on the spot.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick summary of what we've seen in the Senate races in the last 24 hours...

    Arizona
    Boy, the counting is slow. In 24 hours, we've moved from 60% counted to 70%. And in that time, Kelly has slightly extended his lead, from 4.6% to 5.0%. While it's not unreasonable to expect that the coming ballots will tilt Republican, the gap has grown and the number of ballots required to overturn has got ever bigger. I think this one will be called for the Democrats fairly soon.

    Nevada
    Phew, this is a nailbighter. When counting stopped on Tuesday evening, an estimated 70% of ballots had been tallyed, and Laxalt led by 3.0%. We're now at 83%, and the lead is down to 1.8%. Cortez Masto has also pulled ahead in Washoe County, which suggests late breaking ballots are going her way. *BUT*: there's only 17% left to count, and she's only moved the needle 1.2% in the last 13%. That suggests to me that she'll end up just short. It's really going to be down to 0.4-0.5% either way.

    Masto by 10k
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Have you watched them play, its miserable, drab fare.....

    Also, was I right, or was I right about the Euros? I explained at the time they were playing a very negative cautious style and why. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same again at the WC, for the same reasons as the Euros. Maguire will have to play, who isn't fast enough (and has no form), and the rest of the defence will be patched up. Southgate doesn't trust Rice to play the way he does for West Ham, so he will sit in, and combine him with Henderson (or a Bellingham with again a much more cautious role) to again shield the defence.

    So it will be left for one of Foden / Sterling / Saka to try and create some magic to feed Kane.
    We were two penalty kicks away from winning the Euros.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    Andy_JS said:

    Why can't Just Stop Oil be pleased about the fact that more than half of UK energy is regularly produced by renewables? Just a few years ago it was a very small percentage.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

    Waddawewant? - More than half of UK energy regularly produced by renewables!!!

    Whendowewannit? - Now!!!

    Well it is.

    You sure?

    Yep.

    Oh right. Well that's blinking great then. What's on the box tonight?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,888
    biggles said:

    Any Government official stupid enough to arrive at an international summit and download the host’s “official app” should be sacked on the spot.
    Oh, I can imagine a handful are downloading it onto a 'spare' phone, so it can be given to experts to see what unexpected goodies it has on it. ;)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119
    TOPPING said:

    Those campaigns are far from the MSM and it is the MSM where the vast majority of people hang out.
    Not true. For many years those campaigns for themselves masses of BBC airtime in the name of balance, and they still have a strong influence on naysayers among Tory MPs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,982
    edited November 2022

    We were two penalty kicks away from winning the Euros.
    I said at the time it was very effective against European teams who weren't at their best e.g. Germany were piss poor team, and an England team who were in a tricky situation in terms of Foden, Bellingham, Saka, first big tournament, and had very limited options in terms of defenders / central midfielders.

    More recently the same approach has been found severely wanting. And all those talented players have made massive progress for their clubs, have regressed playing in England continued negative style.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333

    Boycott Qatar!

    The problem is if football wants to be a global game it has to go everywhere to find World Cup hosts, including nations that are not western and not liberal. Now it might have made more sense to hold it in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Iran than Qatar size wise but the Middle Eastern nations all have football teams that compete in World Cups at some level, whether qualifiers or the finals and at some stage one of them would host it
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,927
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick summary of what we've seen in the Senate races in the last 24 hours...

    Arizona
    Boy, the counting is slow. In 24 hours, we've moved from 60% counted to 70%. And in that time, Kelly has slightly extended his lead, from 4.6% to 5.0%. While it's not unreasonable to expect that the coming ballots will tilt Republican, the gap has grown and the number of ballots required to overturn has got ever bigger. I think this one will be called for the Democrats fairly soon.

    Nevada
    Phew, this is a nailbighter. When counting stopped on Tuesday evening, an estimated 70% of ballots had been tallyed, and Laxalt led by 3.0%. We're now at 83%, and the lead is down to 1.8%. Cortez Masto has also pulled ahead in Washoe County, which suggests late breaking ballots are going her way. *BUT*: there's only 17% left to count, and she's only moved the needle 1.2% in the last 13%. That suggests to me that she'll end up just short. It's really going to be down to 0.4-0.5% either way.

    Yep — it'll probably be 50 GOP, 49 Dem going into the Georgia run-off.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    edited November 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Quick summary of what we've seen in the Senate races in the last 24 hours...

    Arizona
    Boy, the counting is slow. In 24 hours, we've moved from 60% counted to 70%. And in that time, Kelly has slightly extended his lead, from 4.6% to 5.0%. While it's not unreasonable to expect that the coming ballots will tilt Republican, the gap has grown and the number of ballots required to overturn has got ever bigger. I think this one will be called for the Democrats fairly soon.

    Nevada
    Phew, this is a nailbighter. When counting stopped on Tuesday evening, an estimated 70% of ballots had been tallyed, and Laxalt led by 3.0%. We're now at 83%, and the lead is down to 1.8%. Cortez Masto has also pulled ahead in Washoe County, which suggests late breaking ballots are going her way. *BUT*: there's only 17% left to count, and she's only moved the needle 1.2% in the last 13%. That suggests to me that she'll end up just short. It's really going to be down to 0.4-0.5% either way.

    Thank you.

    I think it’s now Candidate(s) % Votes

    Kelly
    Incumbent
    51.4%
    979,509
    95,318 ahead

    Masters
    46.4%
    884,191
    Est. vote in: 76%

    Laxalt
    49.4%
    436,854
    15,812 ahead

    Cortez Masto
    Incumbent
    47.6%
    421,042
    Est. vote in: 84%

    I agree with you, Kelly and Laxalt win here (nice win bet for me on Laxalt)

    A 50/50 senate, one pick up each, provided Warnock wins in playoff.

    None of us has it 100% Warnock wins, but I really not sure the votes are there for him this time. The GOP can still take senate I call a value bet worth considering today.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    I said at the time it was very effective against European teams who weren't at their best e.g. Germany were piss poor team. More recently the same approach has been found wanting.
    You asked me whether you were "right" about the Euros. Unless you predicted that England would be runners-up on penalties (which you didn't), you were wrong about the Euros. Very wrong indeed.

    Just as you were wrong when you told everyone that England were going to be knocked out by Sri Lanka in the cricket.

    You have a weird bias for pessimism.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Oh, I can imagine a handful are downloading it onto a 'spare' phone, so it can be given to experts to see what unexpected goodies it has on it. ;)
    We likely know about it because James Bond was there last week, with his American and Israeli friends, taking a good look around.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    edited November 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Yep — it'll probably be 50 GOP, 49 Dem going into the Georgia run-off.
    With the Democrats having won most votes of the 2 run off candidates
  • If you were remotely honest you would acknowledge that I have long loathed Farage. As oft expressed here, well before the Referendum.
    Would similar honesty allow you to admit that his on/off threat to a 1000 year Tory hegemony was part of your loathing of Farage?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,982
    edited November 2022

    You asked me whether you were "right" about the Euros. Unless you predicted that England would be runners-up on penalties (which you didn't), you were wrong about the Euros. Very wrong indeed.

    Just as you were wrong when you told everyone that England were going to be knocked out by Sri Lanka in the cricket.

    You have a weird bias for pessimism.
    The cricket was a joke.....you know the long PB joke in regards to the cricket about stating the opposite.

    The football, as far as I remember, I never said England would lose any of the games. I simply said they had a very negative style, but explained exactly what the thinking was....but that after the Euros they needed to develop beyond that if they want to be a top team in the world...they haven't, they have gone backwards as other countries have worked out the very 1-d negative style.

    In comparison, I think England T20 setup is way ahead of the pack...and I have said this repeatedly. I have talked about the level of analytics and detail that goes on. In terms of the analysis they do, only select IPL teams are doing the same sort of stuff. Australia etc are in the dark ages.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    Alistair said:

    Masto by 10k
    You can get 12 for Laxalt so if it really is going to the wire that's a must do, I'd have thought?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Laxalt is @12 on Betfair.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119
    algarkirk said:

    It seems to me that even the most committed tend to have weak intellectual spots. Some nice young people on R4 Today this morning, judgemental about things as only the young can be, suddenly got explicitly unjudgemental about people like them travelling in aeroplanes. Many make little mention of coal use elsewhere (try India, China, Poland) while wanting to attack a trivially small application to mine coal with specialist application in Cumbria.
    One of the advantages of democracy as a system of government is that it doesn't rely on any one individual being 100% pure and true. It's a collective system where the institutions can survive and thrive even though the people working in them are flawed, as everyone is.

    Hypocrisy is the very worst transgression in British politics, but it's unrealistic to expect advocates for a cause to be paragons of virtue themselves. If it were that simple we'd hardly have any problems at all.

    Expecting those advocating for change to be perfect exemplars of that change is an attitude designed to encourage cynicism, and benefits only those for whom the status quo is perfectly fine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    Ron DeSantis alluded to Churchill in his victory speech:

    "We fight the woke in the legislature, we fight the woke in the schools, we fight the woke in the corporations. We will never ever surrender."
    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1590689223270490113?s=20&t=rbwgIxI1oSWFpETvy-XmQg
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Alistair said:

    Laxalt is @12 on Betfair.

    I’m on.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,765
    edited November 2022
    Someone posted Ralston's tweets very early this morning. Here it is again:

    "Here's what we know on the Nevada Senate race, if we assume the rurals are all but spent, will only add a couple thousand at most to Laxalt's lead:

    If CCM continues to win urban mail at current clip, taking 65%, she will easily overtake Laxalt with 110,000 mail (at least) left."

    If her margin decreases from 65-30 to 60-30, for instance, she would still in decisively.

    If it is 60-35, same.

    If it's 55-30, same.

    If it's 55-35, same.

    She wins in all those models."

    Long time readers of PB will know that Ralston gets quoted on here every US election re Nevada and he has a very, very high reputation.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
  • HYUFD said:

    Ron DeSantis alluded to Churchill in his victory speech:

    "We fight the woke in the legislature, we fight the woke in the schools, we fight the woke in the corporations. We will never ever surrender."
    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1590689223270490113?s=20&t=rbwgIxI1oSWFpETvy-XmQg

    He's probably a bit late if he wants to adapt Churchill's 'Keep England White' slogan for Florida.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849
    Alistair said:

    Laxalt is @12 on Betfair.

    One of three things is possible:

    (1) Somebody knows something about the ballots that are still to come. (Not implausible.)
    (2) Someone is very foolishly betting based on the NYTimes and other suggesting that Cortez Masto is likely to win. (Quite possible.)
    (3) Someone is hedging an existing Senate control bet and it's a very illiquid market, so some small bets moved the price a long way. (Unlikely.)

    I tend to trust my judgement. But you should always listen to the market. I'm moving my assessment to a narrow Cortez Masto victory.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849
    MikeL said:

    Someone posted Ralston's tweet very early this morning. Here it is again:

    "Here's what we know on the Nevada Senate race, if we assume the rurals are all but spent, will only add a couple thousand at most to Laxalt's lead:

    If CCM continues to win urban mail at current clip, taking 65%, she will easily overtake Laxalt with 110,000 mail (at least) left."

    Long time readers of PB will know that Ralston gets quoted on here every US election re Nevada and he has a very, very high reputation.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Ralston is rarely wrong.

  • Arrogant fantasy? All I was doing was pointing out the obvious inconsistency of your colleague's words and deeds. If she were really "very strongly green in her outlook and anti-oil" then she would make an effort to organise her life accordingly. An integral part of being very strongly green is an acceptance that you may have to inconvenience yourself for the greater good of the planet. She doesn't sound very green at all to me.
    I don't know about your circumstances. Maybe you are one of the very few people who is fortunate enough to be able to do so, but most people are not able to just 'organise their lives' in the way you claim. She makes single roundtrip journey from Kent to Lincolnshire once a week for her job and probably travels not many more miles doing so than someone commuting into London 5 times a week from the home counties. Should they impoverish themselves as well to suit your view of what is right and wrong.

    I would also point out that you are currently using a computer made of oil, utilising electricity probably derived from hydrocarbons via a network and ISP server predominantly made of oil, all for your own amusement, to criticise someone trying to get to a job earn a living and having to burn oil to do so. There is more than a tiny degree of hypocrisy in your position. And the same goes for our ex smoking friend Ishmael.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    edited November 2022
    HYUFD said:

    With the Democrats having won most votes of the 2 run off candidates
    I don’t fancy Warnock in how that state has voted in this election. A better candidate against him, he would have lost already.

    If this playoff is not about Warmnocks opponent this time, but about Dem Party hubris as the economy crisis bites voters, Warnock loses imo.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,563

    Not true. For many years those campaigns for themselves masses of BBC airtime in the name of balance, and they still have a strong influence on naysayers among Tory MPs.
    The BBC doesn't show any "balance" any more. It is full on climate change is happening and it is dangerous. Check out their website. Gone are the days of Lawson appearing on QT.
  • I’m on.
    This is probably the reason why he's 12

    https://twitter.com/ralstonreports/status/1590595387005337600?s=46&t=gzBXigoRA5G5EpBlKf03fg

    I'm assuming people have seen this but in case they haven't because the view seemed to be CCM might struggle

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,204
    edited November 2022
    KFC apologises after German Kristallnacht promotion

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63499057

    The fast food chain sent an app alert on Wednesday, saying: "It's memorial day for Kristallnacht! Treat yourself with more tender cheese on your crispy chicken. Now at KFCheese!"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    algarkirk said:

    It seems to me that even the most committed tend to have weak intellectual spots. Some nice young people on R4 Today this morning, judgemental about things as only the young can be, suddenly got explicitly unjudgemental about people like them travelling in aeroplanes. Many make little mention of coal use elsewhere (try India, China, Poland) while wanting to attack a trivially small application to mine coal with specialist application in Cumbria.
    But you focus on what's close to home, that's understandable. You can impact it more and it's ... close.

    It'd be an odd protest movement who opted for the technique of sitting around having balanced 'big picture' discussions overflowing with context and perspective.

    And tbh I often suspect that those keen to steer things that way are actually saying, "oh ffs, do stop banging on, can't you see I'm reading the paper."
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119
    Lots of Kherson Oblast liberation videos on twitter today. Does seem to be some fighting with Russian rearguard units.
  • The last time a President held a press conference the day after mid-term elections, this happened:[Video]

    https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1590411668353609728
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Boeberts race going to the wire, 60 votes in it!
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    I don't know about your circumstances. Maybe you are one of the very few people who is fortunate enough to be able to do so, but most people are not able to just 'organise their lives' in the way you claim. She makes single roundtrip journey from Kent to Lincolnshire once a week for her job and probably travels not many more miles doing so than someone commuting into London 5 times a week from the home counties. Should they impoverish themselves as well to suit your view of what is right and wrong.

    I would also point out that you are currently using a computer made of oil, utilising electricity probably derived from hydrocarbons via a network and ISP server predominantly made of oil, all for your own amusement, to criticise someone trying to get to a job earn a living and having to burn oil to do so. There is more than a tiny degree of hypocrisy in your position. And the same goes for our ex smoking friend Ishmael.
    I have not stated a position, just pointed out the one adopted by JSO. I have just made arrangements to fly on oil powered planes to and back from Edinburgh, Nairobi, Panama City, Tahiti and Auckland in the next 18 months.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    rcs1000 said:

    One of three things is possible:

    (1) Somebody knows something about the ballots that are still to come. (Not implausible.)
    (2) Someone is very foolishly betting based on the NYTimes and other suggesting that Cortez Masto is likely to win. (Quite possible.)
    (3) Someone is hedging an existing Senate control bet and it's a very illiquid market, so some small bets moved the price a long way. (Unlikely.)

    I tend to trust my judgement. But you should always listen to the market. I'm moving my assessment to a narrow Cortez Masto victory.
    My method, Which results in betting against you here, is looking at the most recent polls from trusted pollsters before voting. Overall That points to her loss.

    That would be already knowing the opinion of some of the people in the stacks of votes not counted, other than second guessing it based on historical voting from that area?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,765
    edited November 2022
    Large vote dump just released in GA.

    Warnock lead up by more than 20k to 38k.

    Now Warnock now leads 49.4 to 48.5.

    (Was previously 49.2 to 48.7).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,644
    biggles said:

    I’d we can all agree that a credible target for climate change is 2% and not the impossible 1.5% then I’d argue we have more or less cracked it. The west moving to electric cars will force the world to do the same and the economics are pushing renewables and nuclear. China and India have woken up and taken an interest and, basically, technology and progress will once again save the day. That’s not even allowing for any clever “Hail Mary” technology solutions to extract what is already in the atmosphere in a few decades.

    At 2% or 2.5% some countries will really suffer and we should support them and relocate those who lose their islands; but the U.K. is basically just going to gain a wine industry and more fertile farm land.

    You're aware that the larger problem is agricultural systems? I'm not a vegetarian, but it's hard to ignore the fact that agriculture (specifically meat production, largely because of dependence on imported grain/soya for intensive farms) causes more climate change emissions than all transport (cars, trains, planes, ships) combined. Quite a lot is being done on transport and forms of energy production. Agriculture is still moving in the wrong direction..
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,563

    I don't know about your circumstances. Maybe you are one of the very few people who is fortunate enough to be able to do so, but most people are not able to just 'organise their lives' in the way you claim. She makes single roundtrip journey from Kent to Lincolnshire once a week for her job and probably travels not many more miles doing so than someone commuting into London 5 times a week from the home counties. Should they impoverish themselves as well to suit your view of what is right and wrong.

    I would also point out that you are currently using a computer made of oil, utilising electricity probably derived from hydrocarbons via a network and ISP server predominantly made of oil, all for your own amusement, to criticise someone trying to get to a job earn a living and having to burn oil to do so. There is more than a tiny degree of hypocrisy in your position. And the same goes for our ex smoking friend Ishmael.
    No need to be so defensive Richard. It is an interesting example simply because she professes herself to be green-minded and yet at the intersection between being green-minded and real life then inevitably green-minded loses out.

    As with 99.997% of the rest of the population.

    It is just the very obvious point that protesters up a gantry aren't going to stop people doing what they believe they should or need or want to do.
  • Andrew Teale's analysis for the by-elections today, headed by an obit for Sir David Butler.

    https://medium.com/britainelects/previewing-the-nine-by-elections-of-10th-november-2022-95ceb63f6351

    Rosehill with Burnley Wood, Burnley Council, C defence: C, L, LD, G
    Greasley, Broxtowe Council, C defence: C, L, LD
    Bourne East, South Kesteven Council, C defence:C, L, LD, G, I
    Grantham St Wulfram’s, South Kesteven Council, C defence:C, L, G, I
    Cannock West, Cannock Chase Council, C defence:C, L, G
    Braintree South, Braintree Council, C(I) defence:C, L, G
    Coggeshall, Braintree Council, I defence:C, L, I
    Green Lane and St James, Kingston upon Thames Council, LD defence:C, L, LD, Kingston Ind Residents
    Newton Poppleford and Harpford, East Devon Council, Ind East Devon Alliance defence:C, L, I

    @OldKingCole has provided local insight earlier into Coggeshall.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    Alistair said:

    Laxalt is @12 on Betfair.

    Is that your offer on there? :smile:
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I see that censorship resistent crypto currencies unfettered by central authority are *checks notes* being frozen by centralised authority

    https://twitter.com/tier10k/status/1590713278447198209?t=Qhx3J0D0mnh6r9LeA2wpmQ&s=19
  • KFC apologises after German Kristallnacht promotion

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63499057

    The fast food chain sent an app alert on Wednesday, saying: "It's memorial day for Kristallnacht! Treat yourself with more tender cheese on your crispy chicken. Now at KFCheese!"

    Just WOW!!!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,457

    You're aware that the larger problem is agricultural systems? I'm not a vegetarian, but it's hard to ignore the fact that agriculture (specifically meat production, largely because of dependence on imported grain/soya for intensive farms) causes more climate change emissions than all transport (cars, trains, planes, ships) combined. Quite a lot is being done on transport and forms of energy production. Agriculture is still moving in the wrong direction..
    It is also quite striking how unequal carbon footprints are within countries. @Leon probably has as much CO2 production as the rest of PB combined.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,765

    My method, Which results in betting against you here, is looking at the most recent polls from trusted pollsters before voting. Overall That points to her loss.

    That would be already knowing the opinion of some of the people in the stacks of votes not counted, other than second guessing it based on historical voting from that area?
    Ralston is looking at actual mail in ballots already counted in this election and extrapolating to the mail in ballots still to be counted.
  • Boeberts race going to the wire, 60 votes in it!

    *Insert Kenny Dalglish emotions here*
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    My method, Which results in betting against you here, is looking at the most recent polls from trusted pollsters before voting. Overall That points to her loss.

    That would be already knowing the opinion of some of the people in the stacks of votes not counted, other than second guessing it based on historical voting from that area?
    The trouble is that Nevada polls almost always under state the Democratic candidate.

    It is the reverse of the Shy Trump problem. They can't find enough poor Latinos who the unioms turnout to vote Dem.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    This is probably the reason why he's 12

    https://twitter.com/ralstonreports/status/1590595387005337600?s=46&t=gzBXigoRA5G5EpBlKf03fg

    I'm assuming people have seen this but in case they haven't because the view seemed to be CCM might struggle

    He’s guessing how they voted, I think polling I trust told me how they voted. 🙂
  • MikeL said:

    Large vote dump just released in GA.

    Warnock lead up by more than 20k to 38k.

    Now Warnock now leads 49.4 to 48.5.

    (Was previously 49.2 to 48.7).

    Does it make any difference now as long as he doesn't get over50% of the vote? It still ends up going to a runoff.
  • Just WOW!!!!
    Wowsers.

    This is why AI should not be trusted to send out material automatically. Prepare it maybe, but have a human say yes or no. Ouch.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited November 2022

    KFC apologises after German Kristallnacht promotion

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63499057

    The fast food chain sent an app alert on Wednesday, saying: "It's memorial day for Kristallnacht! Treat yourself with more tender cheese on your crispy chicken. Now at KFCheese!"

    Golly. Absolutely wow.

    ETA chicken and cheese is non kosher, in case you think it couldn't get worse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    edited November 2022

    I don’t fancy Warnock in how that state has voted in this election. A better candidate against him, he would have lost already.

    If this playoff is not about Warmnocks opponent this time, but about Dem Party hubris as the economy crisis bites voters, Warnock loses imo.
    Warnock only needs 0.7% more of the Georgia vote to get to 50.1% and win the runoff.

    In January 2021 Ossoff for instance picked up 2.7% more votes in the runoff than he won in the first round to win the seat for the Democrats.

    Though to be honest even if the GOP do win it to get to 51 (if they also hold their lead in Nevada) it would still be well short of the gains they wanted and leave Mitt Romney effectively with the casting vote, who Biden could certainly do deals with on foreign treaties, SC justices appointments etc where Senate control is most relevant
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031
    Large numbers of villages reportedly falling to the Ukrainian forces in Kherson now.

    Russian morale must be rock bottom. They were told this was now Russia they were defending. Now they are scurrying towards Crimea as fast as they can, after the loss of thousands of dead and injured - for what?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Tue only question in Nevada is "How much rural vote is left to count"

    If there is a bunch then it is on like Donley Kong. However looking at historical results my estimation isn that the vast remainder of outstanding vote is in Washoe and Clark.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347

    I’m on.
    Mandatory with your view. I've even done a fiver myself.

    Torn up your imaginary ticket btw. The 3.9 looks rubbish now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,457

    KFC apologises after German Kristallnacht promotion

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63499057

    The fast food chain sent an app alert on Wednesday, saying: "It's memorial day for Kristallnacht! Treat yourself with more tender cheese on your crispy chicken. Now at KFCheese!"

    Yes, as a general rule meat and dairy mixed isn't kosher, though there is some debate over poultry.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,765

    He’s guessing how they voted, I think polling I trust told me how they voted. 🙂
    No he is not guessing.

    Tens of thousands of mail in ballots have been counted and they are 2:1 Cortez.

    There are approx 100,000 still to count.

    Reasonable to extrapolate based on a sample of well over 10,000.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849

    I don't know about your circumstances. Maybe you are one of the very few people who is fortunate enough to be able to do so, but most people are not able to just 'organise their lives' in the way you claim. She makes single roundtrip journey from Kent to Lincolnshire once a week for her job and probably travels not many more miles doing so than someone commuting into London 5 times a week from the home counties. Should they impoverish themselves as well to suit your view of what is right and wrong.

    I would also point out that you are currently using a computer made of oil, utilising electricity probably derived from hydrocarbons via a network and ISP server predominantly made of oil, all for your own amusement, to criticise someone trying to get to a job earn a living and having to burn oil to do so. There is more than a tiny degree of hypocrisy in your position. And the same goes for our ex smoking friend Ishmael.
    I don't know about you, Richard, but almost all my energy comes from Stored Solar.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031
    edited November 2022

    Just WOW!!!!
    At least they dropped the Belsen Burger - topped with bacon......
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Alistair said:

    The trouble is that Nevada polls almost always under state the Democratic candidate.

    It is the reverse of the Shy Trump problem. They can't find enough poor Latinos who the unioms turnout to vote Dem.
    They can understate it, and she still loses from this position. She is Latino after all. Suggests to me more likely to be understated last time than this time.

    And when you say polls “you mean only the good ones” not pollution from Cowboy ones.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333

    He's probably a bit late if he wants to adapt Churchill's 'Keep England White' slogan for Florida.
    That slogan was never actually used by the Conservatives and of course the Tories now have a Hindu PM while DeSantis won lots of Hispanic votes
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Thank you.

    I think it’s now Candidate(s) % Votes

    Kelly
    Incumbent
    51.4%
    979,509
    95,318 ahead

    Masters
    46.4%
    884,191
    Est. vote in: 76%

    Laxalt
    49.4%
    436,854
    15,812 ahead

    Cortez Masto
    Incumbent
    47.6%
    421,042
    Est. vote in: 84%

    I agree with you, Kelly and Laxalt win here (nice win bet for me on Laxalt)

    A 50/50 senate, one pick up each, provided Warnock wins in playoff.

    None of us has it 100% Warnock wins, but I really not sure the votes are there for him this time. The GOP can still take senate I call a value bet worth considering today.
    Over 300 available at 12.0 for Laxalt so somebody is v confident he's gonna lose.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138

    At least they dropped the Belsen Burger - topped with bacon......

    Flame grilled, over gas...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    edited November 2022
    MikeL said:

    No he is not guessing.

    Tens of thousands of mail in ballots have been counted and they are 2:1 Cortez.

    There are approx 100,000 still to count.

    Reasonable to extrapolate based on a sample of well over 10,000.
    That’s true.

    Unless the order of counting has a touch of “mirage” about it. Can you be sure it hasn’t?
  • rcs1000 said:

    I don't know about you, Richard, but almost all my energy comes from Stored Solar.
    Well you do live in California. You probably get more sun on a cloudy day than we get in a year. :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,570
    Andy_JS said:

    Why can't Just Stop Oil be pleased about the fact that more than half of UK energy is regularly produced by renewables? Just a few years ago it was a very small percentage.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

    You are mixing up Just Stop Coal and Just Stop Oil. The first will soon be achieved, the second requires us all to drive an EV.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    They can understate it, and she still loses from this position. She is Latino after all. Suggests to me more likely to be understated last time than this time.

    And when you say polls “you mean only the good ones” not pollution from Cowboy ones.
    I do indeed mean good polls.

    Harry Reid beat the polling average by over 5 points because Nevada Dems know how to turnout the vote.

    It is a pattern repeated again and again, every election the Dems are goong to lose Nevada, every year they outperform the polls.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968

    Over 300 available at 12.0 for Laxalt so somebody is v confident he's gonna lose.
    Is it better to follow the vagaries of the betting markets, or stick to analysis of polling which brought you here in first place?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    As more mail ballots are counted in Nevada the electorate gets younger amd younger.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Foxy said:

    Yes, as a general rule meat and dairy mixed isn't kosher, though there is some debate over poultry.
    Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk ... though the overriding connotation I have is of broken glass. Quite the last thing one wants to have in mind when thinking if one fancies a burger. Can't imagine what they were thinking of.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,849

    Large numbers of villages reportedly falling to the Ukrainian forces in Kherson now.

    Russian morale must be rock bottom. They were told this was now Russia they were defending. Now they are scurrying towards Crimea as fast as they can, after the loss of thousands of dead and injured - for what?

    I posted this just before the threads changed yesterday, but thought it worth repeating.

    Russia's retreat in Kherson is a disaster for the Ukrainians:


  • rcs1000 said:

    I posted this just before the threads changed yesterday, but thought it worth repeating.

    Russia's retreat in Kherson is a disaster for the Ukrainians:


    ...

    image
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138
    Labour has a 14-point lead over Con on trust to handle Channel boats issue: @SavantaComRes via @AndyWoodcock https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sunak-braverman-migrant-boats-channel-b2221601.html
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Over 300 available at 12.0 for Laxalt so somebody is v confident he's gonna lose.
    I'd edit that if my phone would let me as already posted elsewhere.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,968
    Alistair said:

    I do indeed mean good polls.

    Harry Reid beat the polling average by over 5 points because Nevada Dems know how to turnout the vote.

    It is a pattern repeated again and again, every election the Dems are goong to lose Nevada, every year they outperform the polls.
    So it’s MoonRabbits poll analysis versus The World. 😆

    Will Ralston be roaring or railing at the Rabbit on the moon?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,765

    Does it make any difference now as long as he doesn't get over50% of the vote? It still ends up going to a runoff.
    Yes of course - just posted for info.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138
    According to messages shared in Twitter Slack, Twitter’s CISO, chief privacy office, and chief compliance officer all resigned last night.

    An employee says it will be up to engineers to “self-certify compliance with FTC requirements and other laws.”

    https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1590724257608134657
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Large numbers of villages reportedly falling to the Ukrainian forces in Kherson now.

    Russian morale must be rock bottom. They were told this was now Russia they were defending. Now they are scurrying towards Crimea as fast as they can, after the loss of thousands of dead and injured - for what?

    I’m still not counting my chickens when it comes to Kherson city itself, there’s something not quite right there and the Ukranians will approach it slowly and carefully.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,970
    kinabalu said:

    I know! Not just him either. Lots like that. My whole adult life of 40 odd years we disappoint in the big football tourneys, then Southgate takes us to a WC semi and straight after that a Euro final where we're half the width of a goal post from lifting the trophy. It's a fantastic record. Can't believe the whinging. Utterly pathetic and if I had my way worthy of a swingeing ban from PB.
    It’s because Southgate coaches really boring teams. He takes talented players and makes them robots. The fact he’s a boring woke bore makes it worse, but is not critical
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,333
    Scott_xP said:
    More voters however believe Farage would deal with the boats issue well than either Sunak or Starmer

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/exclusive-poll-nightmare-for-rishi-sunak-public-furious-as-uk-migration-rages-out-of-control/383163
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    Andy_JS said:

    Yep — it'll probably be 50 GOP, 49 Dem going into the Georgia run-off.
    Which means that Warnock should be about 1.1.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,119
    edited November 2022

    Large numbers of villages reportedly falling to the Ukrainian forces in Kherson now.

    Russian morale must be rock bottom. They were told this was now Russia they were defending. Now they are scurrying towards Crimea as fast as they can, after the loss of thousands of dead and injured - for what?

    You'd think morale would be very low, but they're managing to conduct a fighting retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro, under fire, without it turning into a rout.

    In the circumstances that's reasonably impressive, and it suggests that the Russian armed forces as a whole are not on the brink of large scale mutiny.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    I don’t fancy Warnock in how that state has voted in this election. A better candidate against him, he would have lost already.

    If this playoff is not about Warmnocks opponent this time, but about Dem Party hubris as the economy crisis bites voters, Warnock loses imo.
    If it's GOP 50, Dem 49 going in to the runoff, the runoff will be about not letting Trump/MAGA have control of the Senate.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    I'd edit that if my phone would let me as already posted elsewhere.
    Phone will let you if you switch browser to desktop view.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,347
    HYUFD said:

    More voters however believe Farage would deal with the boats issue well than either Sunak or Starmer

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/exclusive-poll-nightmare-for-rishi-sunak-public-furious-as-uk-migration-rages-out-of-control/383163
    He really has made the issue his own tbf. Out on his own boat every day filming the scene. Tracking people to hotels to see what's happening there. Putting it all out there for us to see and be extremely concerned about.

    Taking a break now, I believe, since he's off to the States to be part of the big Trump Run announcement. Will he have a speaking role? Guess so. It's a long way to go to just hang around the stage.
  • This is sexist but I laughed #NewCircleOfHell


    MSNBC's @JoyAnnReid: "What job will Lauren Boebert have if she loses?"

    @kurtbardella: "I guess it might be a gain for OnlyFans"

    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1590520221064122368?s=46&t=T1K1mGdZgjvjZ1beG9FGkQ
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