Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Starmer is excellent. Sunak is just Johnson revisited
Don't be ridiculous. One of the most politically stupid and partisan posts I have ever seen on here
No.I think Roger summed it up pretty well there.
Just like Boris, Sunak came armed, with a sheet “if in trouble and can’t answer the question, reach for this instead”
Half way through his first PMQs Sunak looked down and he had used it all.
But Boris did evasive non answers far better than Sunak did. It was just too patently obvious Sunak wasn’t answering questions just shouting back yah boo stuff not remotely like what was asked.
Congratulations on producing a contender for the same prize that the ridiculous Roger attempted to claim an unsurpassable ownership of.
I am right of centre, though have always been a harsh critic of Johnson and his populism. I have paid Starmer a number of compliments over the years when many were unable to see his ability (SKS fans please explain etc.).
If you are unable to see how well Sunak did today, you are a partisan fool and have no political judgement
Sunak was not good in my opinion, based on his non answers were far too patently yah boo non answers, something Boris did far better than Sunak did today.
I don’t want to be rude but I don’t think you understand what PMQs is. It’s not a session where you ask a question and someone answers it, it’s political cage fighting.
I’m sure Sunak has a range of great skills, but political cage fighting is clearly not one of them, and you are just going to embarrass yourself claiming Sunak is great political cage fighter every week.
Lol. You weren't being rude, you were being very silly. I have watched/listened to PMQs for the best part of my 55 years, so I think I might just understand how it works, thanks. I will leave it for others to judge my understanding of politics versus yours, but I am reasonably confident that you might get as much support in that analysis as a Tory in a Glasgow working mens club.
I can see why Malc calls you foreskin, combative arn’t you? 😄
Why can’t you just concede you are wrong? I’ll even give you your concession statement
“Yah boo shouty partisan politics is clearly not Rishi’s forte, it clearly was Boris’ but then he was useless in every other regard! but if you had been paying proper attention to PMQs MoonRabbit, you would have realised what Sunak’s forte actually is today and why he done well today - he is skilfully moving the Tory policy back onto sane ground where the party can rebut Labour with delivery, that’s where he is such a problem to Labour.”
Malcolm is a loudmouth uncouth twat with a brain the size of an amoeba. If you think that referring to male anatomy is the height of wit I can see you have much in common with him. Your political analysis is about as balanced and nuanced as his, which I can assure you is not a compliment. But hey, you carry on believing Sunak isn't very good if it makes you sleep easier. You will be in exactly the same predicament as Tories who underestimated Starmer. A predicament known as Camp Stupid.
But I didn’t say that. I implied Rishi is good, with a range of skills, but unlike you I don’t think yah boo shouty partisan politics at PMQs is actually a strong suit of his, it’s clearly his weakest facet.
You don’t pay proper attention do you?
@foremain Foreskin you nasty piece of dog shit. Stick to being a red faced gammon fascist posting mince about how you really think you are only subhuman. Think yourself lucky you will never meet me.
Although I am highly sceptical about the prospects for shale gas in the UK, I think an outright ban is a foolish decision.
If people wish to spend their own money drilling exploratory wells (and it can be done without impacting local communities too much), then they should be free to do so.
Agree. As far as I can see there is little evidence for shale gas in the UK and there are clearly local issues when anyone wants to have a go, but why should there be an actual ban?
Looking at the hilarious example of UK Oil & Gas plc I think the problem is, people don't want to spend their own money on this but that of a load of fuckwitted small investors, probably tory pensioners expecting the win/win of a "ten bagger" plus investing in Our Great Nation and pwning the libs.
Rishi Sunak considering dumping the pensions triple lock
(Just one week after Liz Truss committed to keeping it!)
Excellent news
You are young, young man, as I was once. (I think. So long ago I don't remember). You are also foolish in that probably your most valuable financial asset by at least an OOM is or would be a state pension at current levels kicking in at let's say 70 and growing throughout by the triple lock. The lump sum equivalent is in the high 6 figures. It's not the oldies being robbed, it is older you.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
As was explained the previous time Cooper tried this stunt - so she shouldn’t have been surprised to get the same answer again- matters for the Ministerial code reside with the PM and Cabinet Office. She should have asked a smarter question.
It's hardly a 'stunt' as you put it – it is a reasonable inquiry into why the government has reappointed a home secretary who was sacked for a security breach less than 160 hours ago.
But she wasn’t sacked for a security breach. She was ticked off for minor security breach, sacked for plotting with backbenchers against government policy.
Just being honest and sticking the facts, I’m right aren’t I?
Isn't the 'minor security breach' her side of the story.
The other side of the story suggests that this is simply the first time she's been caught, but that she's been sharing info with the same person for some time. It was also suggested that she lied about the details/timing when asked.
LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said.
Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal.
Within hours, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said LGBT fans should not be expected to "compromise who they are" if they visit Qatar for the World Cup.
On the subject of Bravermann, it appears she wilfully broke the rules by using her personal email address to send confidential documents to people who should not receive them.
I therefore find putting her in charge of - you know - law and order to be an incomprehensible decision
Could have given her something else if she had to be rewarded with a post, and some other headbanger getting HS. It's not difficult.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Good luck with the Qatar religious police flexing and compromising on the say-so of a UK politician. Seems pretty practical advice otherwise.
I think that if Qatar isn't a safe place for British homosexuals to visit and act freely then he needs to say so much more clearly, otherwise people could easily get themselves into trouble. I don't know from his comments whether same-sex couples would put themselves at risk by holding hands in public, hugging, sharing hotel rooms, etc.
The question is then for FIFA why they thought such a country was a suitable host for their tournament.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
As others have noted, the politician Sunak most resembles - at least at the despatch box - is a young Tony Blair. Sunak has that same smooth, youthful confidence, allied with proper intellect, and even a hint of swagger
Sunak is potentially better than Truss, Boris, May, and Cameron. On this slender slice of evidence
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said.
Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal.
Within hours, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said LGBT fans should not be expected to "compromise who they are" if they visit Qatar for the World Cup.
Sunak has appointed some proper morons
“I have spoken to the Qatari authorities in the past about gay football fans going to the World Cup, and how they will treat our fans and international fans,” he said.
“They want to make sure that football fans are safe, secure and enjoy themselves. They know they have to make some compromises in terms of what is an Islamic country, with a very different set of cultural norms to our own.
“One of the things I’d say to football fans is please do be respectful of the host nation. They’re trying to ensure that people can be themselves and enjoy the football.
“I think with a little bit of flex and compromise at both ends, it can be a safe and secure World Cup.”
Hardly a controversial statement. What do you want the Foreign Secretary to say? A good Foreign Secretary lives in this world, not the one he wants to be in.
Although I am highly sceptical about the prospects for shale gas in the UK, I think an outright ban is a foolish decision.
If people wish to spend their own money drilling exploratory wells (and it can be done without impacting local communities too much), then they should be free to do so.
He claims his mandate from the 2019 Manifesto. We should comb through it and see what other measures we can expect...
Although I am highly sceptical about the prospects for shale gas in the UK, I think an outright ban is a foolish decision.
If people wish to spend their own money drilling exploratory wells (and it can be done without impacting local communities too much), then they should be free to do so.
Agree. As far as I can see there is little evidence for shale gas in the UK and there are clearly local issues when anyone wants to have a go, but why should there be an actual ban?
Looking at the hilarious example of UK Oil & Gas plc I think the problem is, people don't want to spend their own money on this but that of a load of fuckwitted small investors, probably tory pensioners expecting the win/win of a "ten bagger" plus investing in Our Great Nation and pwning the libs.
There has always been lots of money made in the oil and gas business drilling dry holes. The people drilling the holes under contract, the people supporting the equipment. The trick is to match deliveries to just before the investors run out of money…
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said.
Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal.
Within hours, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said LGBT fans should not be expected to "compromise who they are" if they visit Qatar for the World Cup.
Sunak has appointed some proper morons
Already been posted and discussed. Would you prefer the foreign secretary advised people travelling abroad to break local laws?
On the subject of Bravermann, it appears she wilfully broke the rules by using her personal email address to send confidential documents to people who should not receive them.
I therefore find putting her in charge of - you know - law and order to be an incomprehensible decision
Talking of breaking the rules, the looming Standards Committee enquiry into certain statements made by Boris is going to be a very interesting test for Sunak. Objectively speaking, there surely can be no better outcome for him than Boris being sanctioned, a recall election being held, and Boris losing it (or flouncing out). At the same time, he needs to be very careful to conceal his glee at the prospect. It's a tricky one for him.
Who knows, Boris may yet wriggle out - plenty of Tory MPs would be willing to derail it as well, with the legal pretexts he has raised - but yes, Sunak has been keen to stress how much he supposedly likes and respects Boris, even when Boris has been slagging him off as in the first leadership contest, and his people desperate to appoint anyone else until they could see there was no other option. So even without the years as his Chancellor he cannot easily disassociate.
Not sure how he would play it, to be honest. Governments probably don't like anyone, even someone no longer in it, to face consequences for misleading the House - could have ramifications.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Good luck with the Qatar religious police flexing and compromising on the say-so of a UK politician. Seems pretty practical advice otherwise.
I think that if Qatar isn't a safe place for British homosexuals to visit and act freely then he needs to say so much more clearly, otherwise people could easily get themselves into trouble. I don't know from his comments whether same-sex couples would put themselves at risk by holding hands in public, hugging, sharing hotel rooms, etc.
The question is then for FIFA why they thought such a country was a suitable host for their tournament.
And the question for virtue signalling footballers is, why aren't they boycotting the World Cup? They actually have the power to make a difference in this case.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Rishi Sunak considering dumping the pensions triple lock
(Just one week after Liz Truss committed to keeping it!)
Excellent news
I've had a long think about this and IMO the government should keep the triple lock. There are millions of older people with very low fixed incomes facing a huge rise in costs and have no means of increasing their incomes. Handing them a real term income cut is inhumane and will push millions of people into misery.
[snip]
You're confusing two separate things here. The government could ditch the triple lock as a long-term commitment (and should do so, because of its long-term ratchet effect). But that wouldn't have to mean that pensions, along with other benefits, can't be upgraded by inflation this year, and perhaps next year, given the extreme pressures you rightly identify.
Done like that, I think the political hit would be manageable.
Yep - it keeps the client vote happy and hammers the young once more!
LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said.
Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal.
Within hours, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said LGBT fans should not be expected to "compromise who they are" if they visit Qatar for the World Cup.
Sunak has appointed some proper morons
“I have spoken to the Qatari authorities in the past about gay football fans going to the World Cup, and how they will treat our fans and international fans,” he said.
“They want to make sure that football fans are safe, secure and enjoy themselves. They know they have to make some compromises in terms of what is an Islamic country, with a very different set of cultural norms to our own.
“One of the things I’d say to football fans is please do be respectful of the host nation. They’re trying to ensure that people can be themselves and enjoy the football.
“I think with a little bit of flex and compromise at both ends, it can be a safe and secure World Cup.”
Hardly a controversial statement. What do you want the Foreign Secretary to say? A good Foreign Secretary lives in this world, not the one he wants to be in.
Qatar is shiny place run by 17th religious rules - including the corruption.
I’d strongly advise anyone going there to not break any of their stupid, nasty laws.
I’m all up for invading the place and doing a General Napier impression on the locals.
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Wouldn’t be surprised if Sunak agrees with Cleverly.
He comes from a pretty socially conservative community.
Do we have any evidence Sunak isn’t homophobic?
All people from community X are homophobes/sexist etc…
Which saloon bar are you drinking in?
I said “ He comes from a pretty socially conservative community.”
That’s not factually untrue, is it?
You’ve extrapolated my comment into something different. You’re better than that kind of intellectually dishonest smearing, @Malmesbury
The point is, we don’t have any evidence that he isn’t homophobic. People just seem to assume that it’s not an issue. But it might well be.
We’ll see.
Many things might be an issue. But if an allegation is made, or implied, which is reputationally harmful, it should be backed up with something concrete.
If there was speculation Boris was being unfaithful there's quite a bit that could lead people to reasonably think it might be true. We'd need quite a bit more than what community someone comes from to presume potential homophobia - he's obviously not a typical person of any community.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
Nah. Right wingers so scarred by Truss cling to any glimmer of light. All this talk of Blair is silly. Sunak was better than Truss last week. That’s about it.
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Yet another one who is apparently going to surprise us on the upside?
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
I had such a qualm at the start. But when he resorted to bluster, and the glottal stop of the Blairite everyman, I relaxed a bit.
Way, way better than his immediate predecessors but sorely lacking purpose.
If it makes Labour work harder, that is good for everyone.
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Wouldn’t be surprised if Sunak agrees with Cleverly.
He comes from a pretty socially conservative community.
Do we have any evidence Sunak isn’t homophobic?
All people from community X are homophobes/sexist etc…
Which saloon bar are you drinking in?
I said “ He comes from a pretty socially conservative community.”
That’s not factually untrue, is it?
You’ve extrapolated my comment into something different. You’re better than that kind of intellectually dishonest smearing, @Malmesbury
The point is, we don’t have any evidence that he isn’t homophobic. People just seem to assume that it’s not an issue. But it might well be.
We’ll see.
Do you always assume people are guilty until there's evidence to the contrary, or is it just Hindus that you apply that to?
I’ve hit a nerve, clearly.
“Any form of ostentatious behaviour or public flaunting would be utterly distasteful.”
Lord Arran, 1967.
Basically what Sunak’s appointment to one of the highest offices in the land, just said.
Sunak agrees.
He’s a Homophobe. Surely you can see this is rather problematic, No?
You've escalated awfully quickly from 'We don't have any evidence he isn't homophobic' to 'He's a homophobe'.
The Foreign Secretary's statement was, at worst, an upsetting thing to say, but people could well be in danger if act in Qatar as they would here. That's terrible, but it's terrible on Qatar, and not even close to being homophobic.
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
Sunak also presents a major challenge to the narrative that Labour want to take hold of the Tories being uncomfortable with modern Britain. He's almost 20 years younger than Starmer, and ironically probably has less need to prove his patriotism.
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
Yes, Sunak said things you liked. It was defensive culture war stuff that will definitely appeal to a certain demographic of older, prosperous voters. In the real world, though, where so many people are struggling to pay their bills and do not believe the government is that interested in their concerns, Corbyn, North London and Brexit may not be the great attack points you think they are.
As others have noted, the politician Sunak most resembles - at least at the despatch box - is a young Tony Blair. Sunak has that same smooth, youthful confidence, allied with proper intellect, and even a hint of swagger
Sunak is potentially better than Truss, Boris, May, and Cameron. On this slender slice of evidence
A shame, if so, since as you note he's likely to lose. 12 years in at a broken, exhausted government entering a recession is not the time to find a once in a generation talent.
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
Nah. Right wingers so scarred by Truss cling to any glimmer of light. All this talk of Blair is silly. Sunak was better than Truss last week. That’s about it.
With viewing @Leon 's comments through the prism that this was the same guy that promised Liz would "surprise on the upside" then continued to lavish praise upon his new heroine
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
You're forgetting one thing.
ACTUAL SIZE
The British people won't vote for a short arse.
Needs to avoid photo ops with tall candidates, and make sure he's flanked by the shorter Cabinet Members. Tom Cruise his premiership.
(Actually, Mr Cruise is shown at his actual height in many movies now).
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
You're forgetting one thing.
🧍🏽♂️ <- ACTUAL SIZE
The British people won't vote for a short arse.</p>
He’s gonna need some “Sunak boxes” for sure. A La sarkozy
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates. Not exactly hard proof of mysogyny though.
As was explained the previous time Cooper tried this stunt - so she shouldn’t have been surprised to get the same answer again- matters for the Ministerial code reside with the PM and Cabinet Office. She should have asked a smarter question.
It's hardly a 'stunt' as you put it – it is a reasonable inquiry into why the government has reappointed a home secretary who was sacked for a security breach less than 160 hours ago.
But she wasn’t sacked for a security breach. She was ticked off for minor security breach, sacked for plotting with backbenchers against government policy.
Just being honest and sticking the facts, I’m right aren’t I?
She was sacked for a gross breach of ministerial confidence (and lied about it in an attempt to minimise the offence).
Irrespective of whether it concerned security matters (which is unlikely, since it would then have been a criminal offence under the Official Secrets Act), it's extraordinary to appoint someone so publicly incapable of being trusted to a post like Home Secretary.
"Few British people visit North Korea. Those that do are usually part of an organised tour. If you decide to visit North Korea, follow the advice of your tour group and the local authorities. Failure to do so could put your personal safety at risk.
Offences that would be considered trivial in other countries can incur very severe penalties in North Korea, particularly actions the authorities deem to be disrespectful towards the North Korean leadership or government."
i.e. follow the rules. We don't like them, we'd be fine if nobody went, but they are they are.
Interesting thread on the state of Franco-German relations:
@Mij_Europe Hard to articulate just how far Germany's star in EU has fallen. In Bxl & EU capitals, Berlin is seen to be on wrong side of every important debate - weapons to Ukraine, more fiscal solidarity in Europe, energy market interventions etc. It's even affected bilateral Fr-Ger ties
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
We just need 150 posts regarding the history of Boris' body weight, and PB Tech Bros telling us why What3Words is a great system really, and the day will be complete
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
How does he see women? And is that him acting alone or in cahoots with his 'socially conservative community'?
Coming from the same “community” as Sunak myself, the “boys only boarding school followed by university and a career in finance community” I imagine he sees women the same way as all of our community do, some are great, some are fine and some are horrible. Our community also sees men the same way.
I’m guessing this is the community being referred to?
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
Yes, Sunak said things you liked. It was defensive culture war stuff that will definitely appeal to a certain demographic of older, prosperous voters. In the real world, though, where so many people are struggling to pay their bills and do not believe the government is that interested in their concerns, Corbyn, North London and Brexit may not be the great attack points you think they are.
As I have said, you are highly likely to win in 2024. Maybe even win really big
But Sunak looks - on the narrow evidence we have so far - like he will actually put up a fight rather than rolling over and dying. And yes he will say rightwing things that annoy leftwingers, because he is rightwing. He will also, I predict, do centrist things that make him harder to oppose. He does have that Blairite sleekness and Tiggerishness, which is simultaneously annoying but plausible - and effective
What he does not have is Blair's fortunately perfect timing in terms of electoral cycles and the economy
I come from a socially conservative community, I've been best man at three same sex weddings, fourth one next year.
Hopefully that's because you have a lot of friends who think you'd make a damn fine best man, and not that the person you were best man to has crashed and burned in three marriages already and is moving on to a fourth.
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates. Not exactly hard proof of mysogyny though.
As a woman, having a man talk over you or interrupt you is "Situation Normal"
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
How does he see women? And is that him acting alone or in cahoots with his 'socially conservative community'?
Coming from the same “community” as Sunak myself, the “boys only boarding school followed by university and a career in finance community” I imagine he sees women the same way as all of our community do, some are great, some are fine and some are horrible. Our community also sees men the same way.
I’m guessing this is the community being referred to?
I have no idea, dog whistles being very hard to hear
Can we dispense with the heady cocktail of racism and homophobia as I think the positions are quite clear, and return to the serious matters of the day, such as puns?
We just need 150 posts regarding the history of Boris' body weight, and PB Tech Bros telling us why What3Words is a great system really, and the day will be complete
Truss blew it by lightening her hair tone. She wobbled previously when moving from darker to lighter, but quickly reverted back. Shortly after gaining number 10 she lightened her hair tone, and it all started to go wrong for her.
Tragical geek that I am, I just watched PMQs - with, I hope, an open mind
Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Prime Ministers win PMQs when they school the LOTO, not when they play defence and deflection. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron all bossed their opponents, making it seem absurd that any of them would be in charge because they were so obviously not as on top of the brief, not as worldly wise and not as commanding. Sunak did a good Johnson impersonation and got through the session without any damage done. For me, there will be a lot of score draws from here on in, which probably suits both sides.
Nah, that's bollocks
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
Nah. Right wingers so scarred by Truss cling to any glimmer of light. All this talk of Blair is silly. Sunak was better than Truss last week. That’s about it.
With viewing @Leon 's comments through the prism that this was the same guy that promised Liz would "surprise on the upside" then continued to lavish praise upon his new heroine
I did indulge in some ludicrous hopecasting over Truss, I wanted to believe- in my existential despair - that the leader manque was going to be good. Who really wants to believe the future PM is going to be a disaster?
I am not sure I then "continued to lavish praise", I believe I reverted to my grave doubts about her
eg When they did the Truss/Kwarteng! mini budget I explicitly compared it, on here, to "pulling out of a gruelling traffic jam and overtaking it - by driving at 140mph on the wrong side of the road, in the dark"
I anticipated a disaster. And so it was. They hit the oncoming lorry of the bond markets
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates. Not exactly hard proof of mysogyny though.
As a woman, having a man talk over you or interrupt you is "Situation Normal"
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates. Not exactly hard proof of mysogyny though.
As a woman, having a man talk over you or interrupt you is "Situation Normal"
That's odd. I've always found that, as a man, having a woman talk over me or interrupt me is "Situation Normal".
"Few British people visit North Korea. Those that do are usually part of an organised tour. If you decide to visit North Korea, follow the advice of your tour group and the local authorities. Failure to do so could put your personal safety at risk.
Offences that would be considered trivial in other countries can incur very severe penalties in North Korea, particularly actions the authorities deem to be disrespectful towards the North Korean leadership or government."
i.e. follow the rules. We don't like them, we'd be fine if nobody went, but they are they are.
in all circumstances find out about the local laws and social attitudes towards homosexuality and gender identity in the country and area you’re visiting
In some countries, homosexuality and/or homosexual relations are illegal and can be subject to severe penalties. In countries where homosexual relations are legal, levels of tolerance and acceptance within society may still vary hugely. In some places, it may be best for all couples to avoid overt public displays of affection so as not to attract unwanted attention.
if you receive unwelcome attention or unwelcome remarks about your sexuality or gender identity, it’s usually best to ignore them and move to a safe place. Depending on the country or area you’re in, you may then want to report it to the authorities
Which can only indicate that the UK government is institutionally homophobic.
I come from a socially conservative community, I've been best man at three same sex weddings, fourth one next year.
Hopefully that's because you have a lot of friends who think you'd make a damn fine best man, and not that the person you were best man to has crashed and burned in three marriages already and is moving on to a fourth.
I know this may come as a shock to many, but apparently my best man speeches are fucking hilarious and very romantic.
Two out of three, I helped come out, so they've always been grateful for that. One was in the late 90s, when Section 28 was in force. Around the time The Sun asked if a gay mafia was running the UK.
Arrived at uni together, he was quiet and one night confessed to me he was gay, but a virgin.
He didn't know what to do, so I took him to a gay bar (my first time as well), he met some wonderful people, he was annoyed because they all thought I was gay and he was my wing man.
I kinda of regret taking him there as I'm still traumatised about the conversations about douching.
In case anyone is interested, my Octopus Agile Export tariff has just gone completely live - quite a palaver to get all the paperwork in place, but just routine rather than difficult.
Export is where Octopus pay you 15p for each unit you export from your solar or solar / battery setup. Agile Export is where the price you get is set according to the price each half hour in the wholesale electricity market.
This is an example of the summary graph from 13th October, which was one of the best 2 or 3 days from the last fortnight. Interesting developments in the micro-generation market:
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates. Not exactly hard proof of mysogyny though.
As a woman, having a man talk over you or interrupt you is "Situation Normal"
That's odd. I've always found that, as a man, having a woman talk over me or interrupt me is "Situation Normal".
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates....
To me, that is just nonsense.
Being arrogant and talking over your opponent is common to politicians of both sexes. I was surprised at the time by the number of people who habitually complain about "wokery" labelling it "mansplaining".
I have no idea whether or not Sunak has 'a woman problem', but if he's a misogynist, he's managed so far not to display any great evidence of it.
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates....
To me, that is just nonsense.
Being arrogant and talking over your opponent is common to politicians of both sexes. I was surprised at the time by the number of people who habitually complain about "wokery" labelling it "mansplaining".
I have no idea whether or not Sunak has 'a woman problem', but if he's a misogynist, he's managed so far not to display any great evidence of it.
Oh, if that's all there is I don't think such an accusation would stand up, but it is at least a hook by which to make an accusation, which is lacking in the other one.
"Few British people visit North Korea. Those that do are usually part of an organised tour. If you decide to visit North Korea, follow the advice of your tour group and the local authorities. Failure to do so could put your personal safety at risk.
Offences that would be considered trivial in other countries can incur very severe penalties in North Korea, particularly actions the authorities deem to be disrespectful towards the North Korean leadership or government."
i.e. follow the rules. We don't like them, we'd be fine if nobody went, but they are they are.
I wouldn’t worry. I don’t think they have enough money to be able to offer FIFA the requisite bribes.
Though, to be fair, given that their football team has on occasion qualified on the field to participate in previous world cups, they do have a considerably stronger case to host than Qatar does.
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
So you know better than women about how Sunak views women? Glad we’ve cleared that up.
This allegation, at least, has something behind it, even if it is not strong, with people able if they wish to point to Rishi's talking over Truss and interrupting in the debates. Not exactly hard proof of mysogyny though.
As a woman, having a man talk over you or interrupt you is "Situation Normal"
That's odd. I've always found that, as a man, having a woman talk over me or interrupt me is "Situation Normal".
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
"LGBT football fans who attend the World Cup in Qatar should show "a little bit of flex and compromise", Foreign Secretary James Cleverly has said. Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal. He added that "there should be flex and compromise at both ends" during the tournament, which starts in November. Labour called Mr Cleverly's remarks "shockingly tone-deaf"."
Wouldn’t be surprised if Sunak agrees with Cleverly.
He comes from a pretty socially conservative community.
Do we have any evidence Sunak isn’t homophobic?
Do we have any evidence that he is? Or are you discriminating against him solely because of his ethnic or religious background? 🤨
Its a difficult situation but Cleverly is right. It'd be better if the World Cup were not held in Qatar, but when in Rome you have to do as the Romans do. If you don't want to, then don't travel there. If you break Qatari law then the fact the law is repugnant won't get you out of legal trouble.
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Sunak did exceptionally well, given the circs. He is fluent, buoyant, combative, lucid, he's very good at rousing cheers from his own side, he is in clear command of the facts, and he knows how to deflect difficult questions. He is also good at sticking to his opponent
It's a damn shame he is almost certain to lose badly in 2024, because, almost by accident, the Tories may finally have alighted on a decent Prime Minister who could do really good things over two terms or so
Sunak is also notably superior to Starmer in the House. Starmer has his work cut out
Edit: have you any proof that you don’t torture animals?
https://www.whatcar.com/news/every-what-car-car-of-the-year-winner-since-1978/n17074
(I refrained from posting a LMGTFY link, out of respect for the banhammer
“Flex at both ends is required”
Foreskin you nasty piece of dog shit. Stick to being a red faced gammon fascist posting mince about how you really think you are only subhuman.
Think yourself lucky you will never meet me.
Sunak's first favourabilty ratings from YouGov have a marked gender divide. Women give him a net minus 4% rating while with men he's on minus 14%
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1585160934078656513
Speaking to LBC on Wednesday, he told fans travelling from England and Wales to be "respectful of the host nation", where same-sex activity is illegal.
Within hours, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said LGBT fans should not be expected to "compromise who they are" if they visit Qatar for the World Cup.
Sunak has appointed some proper morons
https://www.whatcar.com/news/every-what-car-car-of-the-year-winner-since-1978/n17074
The question is then for FIFA why they thought such a country was a suitable host for their tournament.
Sunak is potentially better than Truss, Boris, May, and Cameron. On this slender slice of evidence
“They want to make sure that football fans are safe, secure and enjoy themselves. They know they have to make some compromises in terms of what is an Islamic country, with a very different set of cultural norms to our own.
“One of the things I’d say to football fans is please do be respectful of the host nation. They’re trying to ensure that people can be themselves and enjoy the football.
“I think with a little bit of flex and compromise at both ends, it can be a safe and secure World Cup.”
Hardly a controversial statement. What do you want the Foreign Secretary to say? A good Foreign Secretary lives in this world, not the one he wants to be in.
When did we get around to implying people are something nasty because there is no evidence they aren't? Just wow
Not sure how he would play it, to be honest. Governments probably don't like anyone, even someone no longer in it, to face consequences for misleading the House - could have ramifications.
“Any form of ostentatious behaviour or public flaunting would be utterly distasteful.”
Lord Arran, 1967.
Basically what Sunak’s appointment to one of the highest offices in the land, just said.
Sunak agrees.
He’s a Homophobe. Surely you can see this is rather problematic, No?
I’d strongly advise anyone going there to not break any of their stupid, nasty laws.
I’m all up for invading the place and doing a General Napier impression on the locals.
Sunak was absolutely on the defence from the start because of the insane Boris-Truss circus that preceded him, plus things like Braverman, non doms (all of which Starmer tried as attack lines). Sunak laughed them off, with dexterity, and then attacked Starmer with elan (note Sunak's accusation that Starmer wanted to overturn the Brexit vote - which he did - that will be used time and again)
I made it 3-1 to Sunak. Not quite the thrashing that Dan Hodges saw but a quite emphatic victory, especially as Sunak was the underdog playing his first match
Labour will be concerned. They should not be overly concerned: I am still sure they will win in 2024. But a tiny shadow of doubt has been introduced. I suspect you felt that same brief disquieting sense of Hmmm
If there was speculation Boris was being unfaithful there's quite a bit that could lead people to reasonably think it might be true. We'd need quite a bit more than what community someone comes from to presume potential homophobia - he's obviously not a typical person of any community.
PMQs is flim-flam. People are worried about inflation, interest rates, the cost of living, and market confidence.
Kiss of death for Sunak!
🧍🏽♂️ <- ACTUAL SIZE
The British people won't vote for a short arse.
Way, way better than his immediate predecessors but sorely lacking purpose.
If it makes Labour work harder, that is good for everyone.
I’m talking about how he sees women. He’s no Cameronite liberal.
The Foreign Secretary's statement was, at worst, an upsetting thing to say, but people could well be in danger if act in Qatar as they would here. That's terrible, but it's terrible on Qatar, and not even close to being homophobic.
Which “socially conservative community” are you referring to?
- Southampton?
- Winchester?
- Oxford?
- Stanford?
- London?
- Richmond?
Do tell…..
(Actually, Mr Cruise is shown at his actual height in many movies now).
Irrespective of whether it concerned security matters (which is unlikely, since it would then have been a criminal offence under the Official Secrets Act), it's extraordinary to appoint someone so publicly incapable of being trusted to a post like Home Secretary.
"Few British people visit North Korea. Those that do are usually part of an organised tour. If you decide to visit North Korea, follow the advice of your tour group and the local authorities. Failure to do so could put your personal safety at risk.
Offences that would be considered trivial in other countries can incur very severe penalties in North Korea, particularly actions the authorities deem to be disrespectful towards the North Korean leadership or government."
i.e. follow the rules. We don't like them, we'd be fine if nobody went, but they are they are.
@Mij_Europe
Hard to articulate just how far Germany's star in EU has fallen. In Bxl & EU capitals, Berlin is seen to be on wrong side of every important debate - weapons to Ukraine, more fiscal solidarity in Europe, energy market interventions etc. It's even affected bilateral Fr-Ger ties
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1585170573289586689
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25428/rishi_sunak/richmond_(yorks)/votes
We just need 150 posts regarding the history of Boris' body weight, and PB Tech Bros telling us why What3Words is a great system really, and the day will be complete
There’s a liberal blind spot when it comes to homophobia in immigrant communities. They’re happy to yell “racism” and throw gays under the bus.
The gays should know their place, is the message.
I expect better from my prime minister.
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I’m guessing this is the community being referred to?
But Sunak looks - on the narrow evidence we have so far - like he will actually put up a fight rather than rolling over and dying. And yes he will say rightwing things that annoy leftwingers, because he is rightwing. He will also, I predict, do centrist things that make him harder to oppose. He does have that Blairite sleekness and Tiggerishness, which is simultaneously annoying but plausible - and effective
What he does not have is Blair's fortunately perfect timing in terms of electoral cycles and the economy
Fact.
I am not sure I then "continued to lavish praise", I believe I reverted to my grave doubts about her
eg When they did the Truss/Kwarteng! mini budget I explicitly compared it, on here, to "pulling out of a gruelling traffic jam and overtaking it - by driving at 140mph on the wrong side of the road, in the dark"
I anticipated a disaster. And so it was. They hit the oncoming lorry of the bond markets
My father's views on homosexuality?
If Allah really didn't want gay people he'd stop making them but since he hasn't...
in all circumstances find out about the local laws and social attitudes towards homosexuality and gender identity in the country and area you’re visiting
In some countries, homosexuality and/or homosexual relations are illegal and can be subject to severe penalties. In countries where homosexual relations are legal, levels of tolerance and acceptance within society may still vary hugely. In some places, it may be best for all couples to avoid overt public displays of affection so as not to attract unwanted attention.
if you receive unwelcome attention or unwelcome remarks about your sexuality or gender identity, it’s usually best to ignore them and move to a safe place. Depending on the country or area you’re in, you may then want to report it to the authorities
Which can only indicate that the UK government is institutionally homophobic.
The U.S., UK and France have previously jointly stated that the information is rubbish.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1585253100285153281
Two out of three, I helped come out, so they've always been grateful for that. One was in the late 90s, when Section 28 was in force. Around the time The Sun asked if a gay mafia was running the UK.
Arrived at uni together, he was quiet and one night confessed to me he was gay, but a virgin.
He didn't know what to do, so I took him to a gay bar (my first time as well), he met some wonderful people, he was annoyed because they all thought I was gay and he was my wing man.
I kinda of regret taking him there as I'm still traumatised about the conversations about douching.
Export is where Octopus pay you 15p for each unit you export from your solar or solar / battery setup.
Agile Export is where the price you get is set according to the price each half hour in the wholesale electricity market.
This is an example of the summary graph from 13th October, which was one of the best 2 or 3 days from the last fortnight. Interesting developments in the micro-generation market:
Being arrogant and talking over your opponent is common to politicians of both sexes. I was surprised at the time by the number of people who habitually complain about "wokery" labelling it "mansplaining".
I have no idea whether or not Sunak has 'a woman problem', but if he's a misogynist, he's managed so far not to display any great evidence of it.
Though, to be fair, given that their football team has on occasion qualified on the field to participate in previous world cups, they do have a considerably stronger case to host than Qatar does.
Its a difficult situation but Cleverly is right. It'd be better if the World Cup were not held in Qatar, but when in Rome you have to do as the Romans do. If you don't want to, then don't travel there. If you break Qatari law then the fact the law is repugnant won't get you out of legal trouble.