I’ve only just heard this news. Glorious. Rejoice!
The Tory Party gets another shot at bringing itself back to some sort of sanity. I don’t have the highest of hopes, but I am much more positive about the future of British politics than I was at the start of the day
This is just one battle in the war for the soul of the Conservatives. Don't think for a moment it's over.
Bearing in mind (rightly) Sunak's huge wealth and privilege, I think he and Hunt will tread very carefully on public expenditure reductions, and will deliberately target the wealthy - individuals and corporates - in tax increases. Top rate (temporarily) raised back to 50%?
CGT = Income Tax?
Perhaps higher rate tax relief on pensions gone?
On Oct 31 he could well slaughter some sacred cows…
(Expect that metaphor to be used a fair bit by journos!)
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
He went to a Christian foundation school however, Winchester college, founded by a former Bishop of Winchester
There was nothing former about it. But anyway he was primarily a successful politician, Christianity and bishoprics was just a side hustle.
I fear the Johnsons are going to call for a general election, Rishi has no mandate and make life impossible for him.
Well we should have an election. I mean not instantly as the markets are still too volatile but clearly there should be an election within the next six months or so (yes I'm aware there doesn't have to be legally, but morally the case for an election soon is compelling)
Surely the argument for an election was stronger with Truss who seemed to want to govern on a new agenda. Words or phrases I hope Rishi uses in his statement outside No.10:
I’ve only just heard this news. Glorious. Rejoice!
The Tory Party gets another shot at bringing itself back to some sort of sanity. I don’t have the highest of hopes, but I am much more positive about the future of British politics than I was at the start of the day
This is just one battle in the war for the soul of the Conservatives. Don't think for a moment it's over.
Of course not. Sunak is only moderate and sane compared with his immediate predecessors.
It's not even the beginning of the end- that will only happen once the Conservatives realise that they are in opposition, rather than taking a sabbatical from government.
But it's a significant marker of the beginning of the middle or something.
Fascinating results from the first round of the Slovenian Presidential election.
The social democrat has crashed to third and the run off is between the SDS candidate, the former Foreign Minister, Anze Logar and the Independent Natasa Pirc Musar, the President of the Slovenian Red Cross and supported by the Pirates and the Greens.
The gap is seven points - 34-27 - so a lot of other votes to be fought for in round two on November 13th.
I think Pirc Musar is pretty much certain to take it in the runoff.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?
Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.
Coffey? She’s useless!
I've heard she wasn't bad at all at DWP and Sunak will need to include some from the ousted regime. But Brandon Lewis should also be sent packing...and of course Jake Berry!
Perhaps Sunak should make room somehow for Burnt Coffee.
Though doubt that Trussites will prove as influential in 21st century, as Peelites were in 19th.
He never was Prime Ministerial. He was a huckster, a con artist.
Con artist is the one thing Johnson is good at. Really good. He has the patter, the unprovable irrelevant detail, is the extrovert, the manipulator, the false charm. In another sphere he would successfully get people to hand over their life savings for fake investments. Instead of which he peddles dodgy ideologies.
Those of us who have never been taken in by him for a second need to recognise his skills.
I’ve only just heard this news. Glorious. Rejoice!
The Tory Party gets another shot at bringing itself back to some sort of sanity. I don’t have the highest of hopes, but I am much more positive about the future of British politics than I was at the start of the day
This is just one battle in the war for the soul of the Conservatives. Don't think for a moment it's over.
Of course not. Sunak is only moderate and sane compared with his immediate predecessors.
It's not even the beginning of the end- that will only happen once the Conservatives realise that they are in opposition, rather than taking a sabbatical from government.
But it's a significant marker of the beginning of the middle or something.
I'm not even sure they can be saved any more. The rot is extensive. I personally think it would be best if they went extinct completely.
Sunaks best move now is a massive contrition strategy. He needs to spend up until Christmas (at least) basically throwing Truss under the bus. No-one will mourn the Truss “era”. Just draw a big red line through it and say sorry.
Of course that(and the divided state of the party) is going to be a millstone round his neck and I suspect dooms the Tories for the next GE, whenever it comes. But he is likely to be able to claw some support back. Just how much, events will dictate.
Freezing rate bands raises £5bn a year. I don't know if that is just income tax or everything? Corporation tax was supposed to be £18bn. A few other bits and pieces mentioned earlier could get that up to £30bn couldn't it? Has the fiscal situation really changed that much since April? If energy companies make a killing off the government's support for bills a windfall tax seems reasonable.
"And though I have reached out to both Rishi and Penny – because I hoped that we could come together in the national interest – we have sadly not been able to work out a way of doing this."
I am looking forward to hearing what the lying fuckwit was offering Sunak and Mordaunt.
'You can have your old jobs back'?
is this really language you think appropriate to a website like this - honestly getting tired of this type of language which is getting very common and its pretty juvenile and unpleasant to read- i think i have had enough so going to leave the site
Really? How do you cope in the real world?
I don't know how your world is, but I don't hear the phrase 'lying fuckwit' used very often in my day to day dealings.
I do. But then I spend quite a bit of time discussing our former PM
Bloke on 5 live from FT says Rishi & Hunt to raise Income Tax to 21p in end of October statement.
Should make Barthol. Roberts night!!
As long as it's not on NI I think Barty would probably not mind because income tax is paid on all income rather than just earned income. Everyone is treated fairly with an income tax rise.
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
Sunak is personable, focused and hard working. His greatest success IMO was marrying into the Infosys dynasty and inheriting their millions. He wouldn't normally get a look-in with his background but the in-laws clearly decided he was someone they could trust. He is head and shoulders above the rest of this abject government and deserves to be PM in the absence of anyone better. Not a huge amount of common sense, but you can't have everything.
"And though I have reached out to both Rishi and Penny – because I hoped that we could come together in the national interest – we have sadly not been able to work out a way of doing this."
I am looking forward to hearing what the lying fuckwit was offering Sunak and Mordaunt.
'You can have your old jobs back'?
is this really language you think appropriate to a website like this - honestly getting tired of this type of language which is getting very common and its pretty juvenile and unpleasant to read- i think i have had enough so going to leave the site
Really? How do you cope in the real world?
I don't know how your world is, but I don't hear the phrase 'lying fuckwit' used very often in my day to day dealings.
I do. But then I spend quite a bit of time discussing our former PM
I admit I used it (without the f*ckwit) just after I read his statement.
I think the Tragedy of Boris (* film title copyright asserted) is that the person he is most lying to is himself, about himself.
Got myself into a bit of trouble earlier with some of the commenters on the Lee Anderson constituents' facebook page by explaining why BJ was not a suitable person to be PM. Will revisit shortly to observe the reactions to the news.
I disagree on wasted nominations - they still have nearly 24 hours.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?
Disraeli's family were Jewish. However, his father converted to CoE when Disraeli was a child, and he was baptised.
Disraeli practised Christianity through his life and was buried in a CoE Church.
Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak · 11m 1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.
He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.
We will always be grateful to him for that. Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak 2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
The original version read:
/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home or (preferably) abroad.
"And though I have reached out to both Rishi and Penny – because I hoped that we could come together in the national interest – we have sadly not been able to work out a way of doing this."
I am looking forward to hearing what the lying fuckwit was offering Sunak and Mordaunt.
'You can have your old jobs back'?
is this really language you think appropriate to a website like this - honestly getting tired of this type of language which is getting very common and its pretty juvenile and unpleasant to read- i think i have had enough so going to leave the site
Really? How do you cope in the real world?
I don't know how your world is, but I don't hear the phrase 'lying fuckwit' used very often in my day to day dealings.
I do. But then I spend quite a bit of time discussing our former PM
I admit I used it (without the f*ckwit) just after I read his statement.
I think the Tragedy of Boris (* film title copyright asserted) is that the person he is most lying to is himself, about himself.
Got myself into a bit of trouble earlier with some of the commenters on the Lee Anderson constituents' facebook page by explaining why BJ was not a suitable person to be PM. Will revisit shortly to observe the reactions.
Shit film title for a tragedy. You could have gone for Hamneck. Or how about King Liar?
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
That's very naive of you:
The World Economic Forum is in Davos, which is the same ski resort as Klosters. And Klosters is well known as the ski playground of (a) the British Royal Family, and (b) Nat Rothschild.
"Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries Boris would have won members vote - already had a mandate from the people. Rishi and Penny, despite requests from Boris refused to unite which would have made governing utterly impossible. Penny actually asked him to step aside for her. It will now be impossible to avoid a GE."
Bloke on 5 live from FT says Rishi & Hunt to raise Income Tax to 21p in end of October statement.
Should make Barthol. Roberts night!!
As long as it's not on NI I think Barty would probably not mind because income tax is paid on all income rather than just earned income. Everyone is treated fairly with an income tax rise.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Glad to see my political analysis is still good enough to make a profit every so often. I knew Boris was bullshitting about the 100 MPs. That he's withdrawn shows he never had the numbers because that 102 figure doesn't get tested in an actual vote. He remains the king over the water in case Rishi fucks up before 2024 this way as well and he also gets to cash in for the best year or so on the lecture circuit to repair his balance sheet.
True - if Sunak becomes Truss 2.0 (apologies) and crashes and burns later in the winter or the spring, I presume Johnson will throw his hat back into the ring.
I can't see the Conservative Parliamentary Party having any desire to go through all of this again (let alone the rest of us) and with the "threat of Johnson hanging in the background, Sunak will be safe until the GE. After that, assuming the party is in Opposition, all bets (so to speak) are off.
I note the Conservative-inclined are already beginning to talk up Sunak as some kind of saviour - the truth is the Government of this country has effectively been paralysed since July and everyone will remember this deranged period of paralysis by self-indulgence and remember who was responsible for it, oddly enough, the first Cabinet Minister to break ranks and begin the process of bringing down Boris Johnson.
Was he first? I have a memory he was second - a fast follower (don’t remember who was first) - and people criticised him for not having courage of his convictions
Rishi may keep him as the public figure of hate, to announce the spending cuts / tax rises, but long term his political career is basically finished.
Off-the-wall idea, but how about Steve Baker for CoE? He's a fiscal hawk, which is what is needed right now and keeps the ERG onside but away from ideology.
Although 21% is messy I would prefer that to the NI increase. A gradual rise to 24% and simultaneous reduction in NI (8% to keep it tidy) would be welcome. People say it would be foolish to reduce employer NI but might it not lead to pay rises?
For the first time in years, by the end of this week we might see an adult government trying to carry out policy in a sane and sensible way with integrity and poise. Cabinet members might be there because they can do the job rather than they bowed the knee to the PM at every opportunity.
"Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries Boris would have won members vote - already had a mandate from the people. Rishi and Penny, despite requests from Boris refused to unite which would have made governing utterly impossible. Penny actually asked him to step aside for her. It will now be impossible to avoid a GE."
Is this the end of the line for Boris Johnson's political career? He's 58 now - if Labour are in for two terms, he'll be 70 by the time the Conservatives next get back to office and he'll surely be yesterday's man.
A somewhat ignominious end if I'm being honest - perhaps as with us all, the fault lies not in the stars but in ourselves and he was incapable of being the Prime Minister we wanted or needed.
To paraphrase Dickens, he might have been a good Prime Minister in the best of times but he wasn't suited to the worst of times.
The question now is whether he retreats quietly into the night or whether he remains the king over the water and a thorn in the side of Sunak if not directly then through his "friends" such as Dorries and Rees-Mogg whose political careers have probably also ended tonight.
To the victor, the spoils - it seems unlikely Mordaunt will get the nominations necessary and it's already clear those leaving the Johnson ship are heading more to Sunak. Having looked as though he had thrown away his chance of becoming Prime Minister with indecision in January, Rishi Sunak now finds himself alone on the battlefield in October.
It may yet be the most pyrrhic of victories - I find it hard to see after everything that has happened how the Conservatives can regain any modicum of unity or competence in the eyes of the electorate. Some on here seem to think it'll be easy - I'm far from convinced.
It is a mountain to climb but I expect Labour are disappointed tonight that Boris is not heading for no 10
I have it on good authority that the Labour leadership are quite prepared to take on any of them.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
Michael Fabricant 🇬🇧🇺🇦 @Mike_Fabricant · 1h #Rishi camp desperately ringing round now to try and get the #Boris supporters. Why? He already has his 100+ Because he knows the odds are if it goes to the Party membership, he probably won’t win. He needs a political coronation.
Bloke on 5 live from FT says Rishi & Hunt to raise Income Tax to 21p in end of October statement.
Should make Barthol. Roberts night!!
As long as it's not on NI I think Barty would probably not mind because income tax is paid on all income rather than just earned income. Everyone is treated fairly with an income tax rise.
Unlike the special favours rich folk get on CGT and dividends. And the special favours all of us doing ok get on NI levied on income others can’t dream of. Raising income tax rather than going for those areas or non-NI paying pensioners is horrid.
Rishi may keep him as the public figure of hate, to announce the spending cuts / tax rises, but long term his political career is basically finished.
Off-the-wall idea, but how about Steve Baker for CoE? He's a fiscal hawk, which is what is needed right now and keeps the ERG onside but away from ideology.
If I have one hope from Rishi…. And perhaps this is just me projecting, but…
Hes in a great position to actually do something about the myriad of tax loopholes, under the cover of the fiscal shitshow.
He can also, perhaps uniquely, be pressured by the press/labour, due to his background and wealth.
And because of his wealth, he can’t be bought and doesn’t feel like he owes anything to big money Tory interests.
I also think he has a certain moralistic bent, a bit like Theresa May.
That’s my hope, anyway.
Dave the plumber, Sheila the cleaner, Mike the hairdresser, pay the same tax as Stan the stockbroker.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Glad to see my political analysis is still good enough to make a profit every so often. I knew Boris was bullshitting about the 100 MPs. That he's withdrawn shows he never had the numbers because that 102 figure doesn't get tested in an actual vote. He remains the king over the water in case Rishi fucks up before 2024 this way as well and he also gets to cash in for the best year or so on the lecture circuit to repair his balance sheet.
True - if Sunak becomes Truss 2.0 (apologies) and crashes and burns later in the winter or the spring, I presume Johnson will throw his hat back into the ring.
I can't see the Conservative Parliamentary Party having any desire to go through all of this again (let alone the rest of us) and with the "threat of Johnson hanging in the background, Sunak will be safe until the GE. After that, assuming the party is in Opposition, all bets (so to speak) are off.
I note the Conservative-inclined are already beginning to talk up Sunak as some kind of saviour - the truth is the Government of this country has effectively been paralysed since July and everyone will remember this deranged period of paralysis by self-indulgence and remember who was responsible for it, oddly enough, the first Cabinet Minister to break ranks and begin the process of bringing down Boris Johnson.
Was he first? I have a memory he was second - a fast follower (don’t remember who was first) - and people criticised him for not having courage of his convictions
Sajid Javid resigned first.
But it is not true that everyone will remember that either of them resigned early on in the defenestration of Boris.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
"Globalism" is a term used by antisemites as a cipher for Judaism. This is well known.
Nobody's stopping you from talking about it, but in my experience people who do talk about it often have some very vague notion about some Judeo-capitalist conspiracy and are remarkably short on either evidence or even a coherent narrative. My advice would be if you really think there is some plot to "take over the world", to identify who specifically you think is behind this, their motives, the means by which you think they hope to achieve this, and the reasons you believe this.
Falling back on the canard that "nobody's allowed to say anything about it" is begging the question: the idea of enforced silence is part of the conspiracy theory. You are literally assuming some of the contents of the conspiracy theory to try to tell us that the conspiracy theory is credible.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Bollocks
Citation needed. And from someone actually in power.
"Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries Boris would have won members vote - already had a mandate from the people. Rishi and Penny, despite requests from Boris refused to unite which would have made governing utterly impossible. Penny actually asked him to step aside for her. It will now be impossible to avoid a GE."
I guess that translates as "I'm fucking off to the Lords so I couldn't care less that you are all wrong and my hero will always love me"
By-election watch.
The resignation honours lists are getting messy, given Johnson's successor resigned before his list could be agreed. Assuming Sunak gets a say, he doesn't owe Dorries anything.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Ripping up the agreement we signed 3 years ago would put us in that position. And it has far more downside to us than the EU.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Michael Fabricant 🇬🇧🇺🇦 @Mike_Fabricant · 1h #Rishi camp desperately ringing round now to try and get the #Boris supporters. Why? He already has his 100+ Because he knows the odds are if it goes to the Party membership, he probably won’t win. He needs a political coronation.
"The Conservative Party must unite" [Sunak reaches out to opponents] "Why is he doing this?!"
On topic, so exactly why cant anyone else, with mere hours to go, get the nominations other than Sunak?
Off topic, I mentioned at start of the week that the next fortnight would bring notable changes, strategic in nature, in the situation in Ukraine and it wasnt all going to be good news.
Not to cause people like Leon/Sean to have an anxiety attack but why is the Russian defence minister having calls with US & European counteparts claiming that Ukraine is working to detonate a so called dirty bomb? None of his counterparts seem to buy it. This isnt some crap on Russian TV, this is official conversations between defence ministers.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Yeah, but only one side is proceeding to break the treaty with the consequences that flow from that. It's a bit like saying only the West is imposing sanctions on Russia.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Yeah, but only one side is proceeding to break the treaty with the consequences that flow from that. It's a bit like saying only the West is imposing sanctions on Russia.
No, it's nothing like that, but if you want a Ukraine analogy, it would be Putin threatening an actual war in response to Ukraine not implementing the Minsk agreement.
Will Sunak be able to get a deal on the NI protocol through the House? If not would he try a referendum in Ulster?
The factional politics probably matter more than the substance. People who would have rebelled against Johnson or Truss would be likely to vote for anything put forward by Sunak.
Surely the ERG would be less likely to accept it coming from Sunak. I'm not suggesting he override the protocol. But the EU is open to change - having lanes for goods exclusively for NI.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
The only threats of a trade war have come from the EU side.
Yeah, but only one side is proceeding to break the treaty with the consequences that flow from that. It's a bit like saying only the West is imposing sanctions on Russia.
No, it's nothing like that, but if you want a Ukraine analogy, it would be Putin threatening an actual war in response to Ukraine not implementing the Minsk agreement.
Reminder. Boris Johnson seriously wants everyone to believe the moment he took the decision to withdraw was also the moment he “completed the paperwork” on the nominations that would hand him the Premiership. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584285134559547392
Yep. Not plausible. Why not 6 hours earlier, a day. Nothing had really changed
He must be one ditched. Some others kept, but he's shown himself to be king of the fools
Perhaps but the case for keeping Nadhim Zahawi is that he seems to have been an efficient enough manager, and Whitehall could probably use some quiet competence after the last several years. The same might apply to Alok Sharma.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
Reminder. Boris Johnson seriously wants everyone to believe the moment he took the decision to withdraw was also the moment he “completed the paperwork” on the nominations that would hand him the Premiership. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584285134559547392
Yep. Not plausible. Why not 6 hours earlier, a day. Nothing had really changed
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Really? What are they? Genuine question.
The people who organise Davos. Not sure what else they do
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
"Globalism" is a term used by antisemites as a cipher for Judaism. This is well known.
Nobody's stopping you from talking about it, but in my experience people who do talk about it often have some very vague notion about some Judeo-capitalist conspiracy and are remarkably short on either evidence or even a coherent narrative. My advice would be if you really think there is some plot to "take over the world", to identify who specifically you think is behind this, their motives, the means by which you think they hope to achieve this, and the reasons you believe this.
Falling back on the canard that "nobody's allowed to say anything about it" is begging the question: the idea of enforced silence is part of the conspiracy theory. You are literally assuming some of the contents of the conspiracy theory to try to tell us that the conspiracy theory is credible.
"Globalism" is also used by the Left in the US to describe the process (as they see it) by which big multinationals ship jobs overseas, to near slavery conditions at the other end. The rich get richer, the poor get screwed and the middle classes squeezed.
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
"Globalism" is a term used by antisemites as a cipher for Judaism. This is well known.
Nobody's stopping you from talking about it, but in my experience people who do talk about it often have some very vague notion about some Judeo-capitalist conspiracy and are remarkably short on either evidence or even a coherent narrative. My advice would be if you really think there is some plot to "take over the world", to identify who specifically you think is behind this, their motives, the means by which you think they hope to achieve this, and the reasons you believe this.
Falling back on the canard that "nobody's allowed to say anything about it" is begging the question: the idea of enforced silence is part of the conspiracy theory. You are literally assuming some of the contents of the conspiracy theory to try to tell us that the conspiracy theory is credible.
Actually it isn't (the Jewish bit I mean). At least not anyone who isn't 101 years old.
The anti-globalist, anti-WEF, anti-Bill Gates lot are complete nutters but it is not based on antisemitism. The world (at least theirs) has moved on from any of that long ago. It is a massively complex and tightly drawn conspiracy delusion which has little place for anything as simple or crass as antisemitism.
As Topping mentions it involves the idea of The Great Reset, of the Covid pandemic being a cover for massive population reduction, of Blackrock buying up all the property in America and owning almost all the businesses in the world, of contrails being chemicals sprayed over us for some unknown but nefarious reason, of Bill Gates owning all the means of food production and making us eat insects and of the move to electric cars and smart meters being all part of an ambition to remove the ability for people to do anything without the Governments permission.
If it has any racial component, it is most often directed at the Chinese. Indeed, Israel is often seen as the last standout hope against this Globalisation. No idea why exactly except for the fact they are seen as opponents of various Islamic countries who are swept up in this great delusion.
Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.
Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.
Plenty of people understand that. It's part of why he did so well, it's not nothing.
But people feel his flaws eclipsed that in the end, as did most MPs. That is not ignoring or understanding his appeal.
Bearing in mind (rightly) Sunak's huge wealth and privilege, I think he and Hunt will tread very carefully on public expenditure reductions, and will deliberately target the wealthy - individuals and corporates - in tax increases. Top rate (temporarily) raised back to 50%?
CGT = Income Tax?
Perhaps higher rate tax relief on pensions gone?
On Oct 31 he could well slaughter some sacred cows…
(Expect that metaphor to be used a fair bit by journos!)
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
He went to a Christian foundation school however, Winchester college, founded by a former Bishop of Winchester
There was nothing former about it. But anyway he was primarily a successful politician, Christianity and bishoprics was just a side hustle.
Being a bishop enabled him to collect rent from brothels in Southwark.
The concept of "politician" is completely anachronistic here.
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I cannot see it
Change since Boris withdrew:
Rishi +8
Penny +1
Impressive.
Political betting really has come of age.
Sorry
2019 manifesto
Ukraine
Honesty
It's not even the beginning of the end- that will only happen once the Conservatives realise that they are in opposition, rather than taking a sabbatical from government.
But it's a significant marker of the beginning of the middle or something.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1584296921690038272/photo/1
Though doubt that Trussites will prove as influential in 21st century, as Peelites were in 19th.
Anyone know if that's (deliberately or otherwise; probably otherwise) culturally insensitive, in a Michael Howard/flying pigs sort of way?
Those of us who have never been taken in by him for a second need to recognise his skills.
I personally think it would be best if they went extinct completely.
Of course that(and the divided state of the party) is going to be a millstone round his neck and I suspect dooms the Tories for the next GE, whenever it comes. But he is likely to be able to claw some support back. Just how much, events will dictate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/may/24/david-campbell-bannerman-ukip-tories
Should make Barthol. Roberts night!!
I think the Tragedy of Boris (* film title copyright asserted) is that the person he is most lying to is himself, about himself.
Got myself into a bit of trouble earlier with some of the commenters on the Lee Anderson constituents' facebook page by explaining why BJ was not a suitable person to be PM. Will revisit shortly to observe the reactions to the news.
I disagree on wasted nominations - they still have nearly 24 hours.
"He crashed the pound but can he dance?"
Disraeli practised Christianity through his life and was buried in a CoE Church.
Of course they could do both.
Rishi may keep him as the public figure of hate, to announce the spending cuts / tax rises, but long term his political career is basically finished.
Then he was UKIP candidate for North Cornwall in 2005 and a UKIP MEP in 2009 before defecting back to the Conservatives
/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home or (preferably) abroad.
That cartoon is nasty.
The World Economic Forum is in Davos, which is the same ski resort as Klosters. And Klosters is well known as the ski playground of (a) the British Royal Family, and (b) Nat Rothschild.
@NadineDorries
Boris would have won members vote - already had a mandate from the people. Rishi and Penny, despite requests from Boris refused to unite which would have made governing utterly impossible.
Penny actually asked him to step aside for her. It will now be impossible to avoid a GE."
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1584303574061707264
Now Rishi 9 Penny 1 since Boris withdrew.
I checked so fast...but I thought it more probable that "he" referred back to the subject "Rishi Sunak". Aaargh!
Mordaunt it is, then? Just as it was Truss before. I doubt it. Even if Mordaunt makes it to 100 she will probably drop out, but we shall see.
Quite incredible.
By-election watch.
I'll take the kicker in exchange for Johnson being out of No 10.
The main point is he needs to stop threatening a trade war. I'm sure there would be a positive market reaction to that.
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#Rishi camp desperately ringing round now to try and get the #Boris supporters.
Why? He already has his 100+
Because he knows the odds are if it goes to the Party membership, he probably won’t win. He needs a political coronation.
Hes in a great position to actually do something about the myriad of tax loopholes, under the cover of the fiscal shitshow.
He can also, perhaps uniquely, be pressured by the press/labour, due to his background and wealth.
And because of his wealth, he can’t be bought and doesn’t feel like he owes anything to big money Tory interests.
I also think he has a certain moralistic bent, a bit like Theresa May.
That’s my hope, anyway.
Dave the plumber, Sheila the cleaner, Mike the hairdresser, pay the same tax as Stan the stockbroker.
But it is not true that everyone will remember that either of them resigned early on in the defenestration of Boris.
Nobody's stopping you from talking about it, but in my experience people who do talk about it often have some very vague notion about some Judeo-capitalist conspiracy and are remarkably short on either evidence or even a coherent narrative.
My advice would be if you really think there is some plot to "take over the world", to identify who specifically you think is behind this, their motives, the means by which you think they hope to achieve this, and the reasons you believe this.
Falling back on the canard that "nobody's allowed to say anything about it" is begging the question: the idea of enforced silence is part of the conspiracy theory. You are literally assuming some of the contents of the conspiracy theory to try to tell us that the conspiracy theory is credible.
https://twitter.com/MCantow/status/1584271434750140416
[Sunak reaches out to opponents]
"Why is he doing this?!"
Off topic, I mentioned at start of the week that the next fortnight would bring notable changes, strategic in nature, in the situation in Ukraine and it wasnt all going to be good news.
Not to cause people like Leon/Sean to have an anxiety attack but why is the Russian defence minister having calls with US & European counteparts claiming that Ukraine is working to detonate a so called dirty bomb? None of his counterparts seem to buy it. This isnt some crap on Russian TV, this is official conversations between defence ministers.
Presumably Jeremy Hunt at Chancellor. What about the rest?
But as noted earlier claiming he's as bad as Boris so vote Boris is an interesting move some made.
The anti-globalist, anti-WEF, anti-Bill Gates lot are complete nutters but it is not based on antisemitism. The world (at least theirs) has moved on from any of that long ago. It is a massively complex and tightly drawn conspiracy delusion which has little place for anything as simple or crass as antisemitism.
As Topping mentions it involves the idea of The Great Reset, of the Covid pandemic being a cover for massive population reduction, of Blackrock buying up all the property in America and owning almost all the businesses in the world, of contrails being chemicals sprayed over us for some unknown but nefarious reason, of Bill Gates owning all the means of food production and making us eat insects and of the move to electric cars and smart meters being all part of an ambition to remove the ability for people to do anything without the Governments permission.
If it has any racial component, it is most often directed at the Chinese. Indeed, Israel is often seen as the last standout hope against this Globalisation. No idea why exactly except for the fact they are seen as opponents of various Islamic countries who are swept up in this great delusion.
But people feel his flaws eclipsed that in the end, as did most MPs. That is not ignoring or understanding his appeal.
The concept of "politician" is completely anachronistic here.