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  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,912

    Just revel in the thought that, following tonight’s news, Jacob Rees-Mogg will never be in charge of anything again.

    Oh thank god - you’re right!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    Farooq said:

    stodge said:

    Later evening all :)

    Is this the end of the line for Boris Johnson's political career? He's 58 now - if Labour are in for two terms, he'll be 70 by the time the Conservatives next get back to office and he'll surely be yesterday's man.

    A somewhat ignominious end if I'm being honest - perhaps as with us all, the fault lies not in the stars but in ourselves and he was incapable of being the Prime Minister we wanted or needed.

    To paraphrase Dickens, he might have been a good Prime Minister in the best of times but he wasn't suited to the worst of times.

    The question now is whether he retreats quietly into the night or whether he remains the king over the water and a thorn in the side of Sunak if not directly then through his "friends" such as Dorries and Rees-Mogg whose political careers have probably also ended tonight.

    To the victor, the spoils - it seems unlikely Mordaunt will get the nominations necessary and it's already clear those leaving the Johnson ship are heading more to Sunak. Having looked as though he had thrown away his chance of becoming Prime Minister with indecision in January, Rishi Sunak now finds himself alone on the battlefield in October.

    It may yet be the most pyrrhic of victories - I find it hard to see after everything that has happened how the Conservatives can regain any modicum of unity or competence in the eyes of the electorate. Some on here seem to think it'll be easy - I'm far from convinced.

    It is a mountain to climb but I expect Labour are disappointed tonight that Boris is not heading for no 10
    I suspect a great number of them will be relieved


    , as we all should be.
    Yes, the sector of the Venn diagram in which Labour supporters want the mendacious clown back for perceived partisan advantage is pretty small; tiny, probably
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,912
    Farooq said:

    biggles said:

    Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.

    Yes mate, and Mrs Brown's Boys is popular too.
    Brilliant analogy. Precisely my point. (I hate that programme).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Anyway, off to bed.

    Night all.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Good caption contest with a photo like this. Each has a rather amusing look!

    France's Macron and Italy's new PM Meloni held talks on Sunday reut.rs/3smN4YF

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1584287392827056128
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872
    If we take Boris at his word (no laughter) he intentionally waited until he had the numbers to pull out. That would make him an utter timewaster. If he was not intending to stand he wouldn't have gone through this.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    ydoethur said:

    JohnO said:

    Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.

    Shapps to have the shortest tenure ever at the Home Office?

    Oh dear, how sad. Never mind.
    Michael Green will fancy taking over
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nadhim Zahawi wins the coveted dupe award.

    "Published at 9PM"

    image

    https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1584275806498344960

    @Leon can happily retire.
    Stand up and take a bow, Zahawidamus.
    I can’t be arsed to trail back, but didn’t Leondamus also tell us the clown was coming back?
    Damn, you might be right.
    Yep. There was something about all the good yeoman of merrie england spontaneously starting to dance around a May pole as the news of the return of the king filtered through.


  • ydoethur said:

    Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.

    That's just amazing.

    I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because
    we all need it to last just a bit longer...

    All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.

    He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
    "Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.

    I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.

    He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
    Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,800

    stodge said:

    Later evening all :)

    Is this the end of the line for Boris Johnson's political career? He's 58 now - if Labour are in for two terms, he'll be 70 by the time the Conservatives next get back to office and he'll surely be yesterday's man.

    A somewhat ignominious end if I'm being honest - perhaps as with us all, the fault lies not in the stars but in ourselves and he was incapable of being the Prime Minister we wanted or needed.

    To paraphrase Dickens, he might have been a good Prime Minister in the best of times but he wasn't suited to the worst of times.

    The question now is whether he retreats quietly into the night or whether he remains the king over the water and a thorn in the side of Sunak if not directly then through his "friends" such as Dorries and Rees-Mogg whose political careers have probably also ended tonight.

    To the victor, the spoils - it seems unlikely Mordaunt will get the nominations necessary and it's already clear those leaving the Johnson ship are heading more to Sunak. Having looked as though he had thrown away his chance of becoming Prime Minister with indecision in January, Rishi Sunak now finds himself alone on the battlefield in October.

    It may yet be the most pyrrhic of victories - I find it hard to see after everything that has happened how the Conservatives can regain any modicum of unity or competence in the eyes of the electorate. Some on here seem to think it'll be easy - I'm far from convinced.

    It is a mountain to climb but I expect Labour are disappointed tonight that Boris is not heading for no 10
    No, they aren't.

    The surveys from Redfield & Wilton show Labour 15 points ahead facing Johnson and 20 points ahead facing Sunak.

    That gap may close - it may not.

    Do you seriously think everyone is just going to forget the last three months of paralysis by self-indulgence which your party has inflicted on this country? For that reason alone, the Conservatives deserve a lengthy period in the futile wastelands of opposition until they treat the governance of the people of this country with the respect it deserves.
  • Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This?

    The smart political move would actually be for Rishi Sunak to retain James Cleverly and Nadhim Zahawi in the cabinet. Send a clear signal he's moving behind the division and petty tribalism of his predecessors.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584278091689754626

    Or this?

    if sunak has seen a single horror film, he must know every one of these idiots needs to go in the thresher.
    https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/1584278650756956160

    Sunak need not be vindictive. But it's always silly to expect a new leader to include very vocal opponents. Some, sure, but high profile ones?
    I'd say, keep Cleverley, Zahawi can to BEIS or somewhere, if at all.

    I'd keep Hunt and Shapps, for now. Sacking them isn't the priority.

    Coffey and JRM go. I'd keep Kemi and DIT, but I'd keep her in mind for next time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    stodge said:

    JohnO said:

    Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.

    I think Javid will get a big job - possibly Foreign Secretary.

    The problem now is going to be whether Sunak can do anything about Hunt - presumably the market reaction (I note some are already claiming some form of market "approval" for Sunak in the morning) if Hunt is replaced predicates against such a move but when you have a former Chancellor at No.10 it's often hard for them not to want to continue running the economy.
    They both seem reasonable men and team players, they both start from a position of financial prudence. Sunak might lean more toward tax cuts ans spending cuts than Hunt but I don’t see any yawning policy differences, particularly as they will start so heavily boxed in.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    ydoethur said:

    Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.

    That's just amazing.

    I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because
    we all need it to last just a bit longer...

    All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.

    He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
    "Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.

    I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.

    He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
    Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
    I think everyone is so pleased to see the final end of Boris they are ignoring all the pitfalls of Rishi. But as ever, time will tell.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    ydoethur said:

    Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.

    That's just amazing.

    I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because
    we all need it to last just a bit longer...

    All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.

    He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
    "Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.

    I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.

    He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
    Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
    Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.

    I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,153

    Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way

    Political "coronations" have worked out so well in the past...
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,200
    So the clown apparently didn’t realize the party wouldn’t unite behind him before he flew back from his holiday !

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    JohnO said:

    Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.

    Coffey? She’s useless!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    edited October 2022

    TOPPING said:

    Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:

    "There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."

    Unpick that puppy.

    Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.

    I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".

    English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
    The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
  • Andy_JS said:

    From the media you'd think it's a formality for Sunak. But in that case why does he have endorsements from only 43% of Tory MPs at the moment?

    Another benefit of Mordaunt pulling out tomorrow morning - we will never know what Sunak's support in the party is. That ambiguity might prove helpful.
  • ydoethur said:

    Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.

    That's just amazing.

    I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because
    we all need it to last just a bit longer...

    All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.

    He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
    "Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.

    I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.

    He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
    Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
    Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.

    I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
    I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending with a 't'.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169

    Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way

    162 still to declare.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314
    biggles said:

    Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.

    Untrue. I've posted frequently, from a Labour perspective, on the threat that BJ poses as the only Tory who can attract the white w/c from Labour and hang on to many of the "Red Wall" and similar seats up and down the country.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    Rishi didn’t have break cover, say or do anything to get this. Impressive to a point, but he remains untested. Not ideal considering Truss managed to get the better of him last time. 😬
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    Nicely precise wording, too.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    GIN1138 said:

    Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way

    Political "coronations" have worked out so well in the past...
    It's not really a coronation. He came 2nd to Truss, who since proved to be a total phantom dud, winning even a decent wedge of the membership only a handful of weeks ago.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:

    "There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."

    Unpick that puppy.

    Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.

    I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".

    English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
    The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
    Really? What are they?
    Genuine question.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    nico679 said:

    The best outcome for Labour was Johnson but I simply couldn’t stomach two more years of him .

    Anyone who wants the UK to not be a laughing stock and see its reputation trashed can breathe a sigh of relief tonight .

    I mean I know the Cons aren't great on this but shouldn't the metric be what's good for the country?
  • Something to stay up for, for the real PB political junkies

    In one hour @ 3.30pm PDT - Debate in the 2022 WA Secretary of State race:

    https://crosscut.com/politics/2022/10/watch-live-hobbs-anderson-duel-secretary-state-debate

    Note that recent polling shows this race is up for grabs.

  • Andy_JS said:

    Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way

    162 still to declare.
    Most will for Sunak now not least because they will not want to be on the losing side
  • StarryStarry Posts: 110
    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    JohnO said:

    Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.

    I think Javid will get a big job - possibly Foreign Secretary.

    The problem now is going to be whether Sunak can do anything about Hunt - presumably the market reaction (I note some are already claiming some form of market "approval" for Sunak in the morning) if Hunt is replaced predicates against such a move but when you have a former Chancellor at No.10 it's often hard for them not to want to continue running the economy.
    They both seem reasonable men and team players, they both start from a position of financial prudence. Sunak might lean more toward tax cuts ans spending cuts than Hunt but I don’t see any yawning policy differences, particularly as they will start so heavily boxed in.
    I can only really see Penny as Foreign or Home Secretary (can't see Defence changing). Her whole political career seems geared towards these.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,598


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?

  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way

    Raises the question whether and when second nominations are permitted by GBOL. Can Johnson nominators change their mind as of right? Or does Johnson have to notify GB he is not standing?
  • ydoethur said:

    Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.

    That's just amazing.

    I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because
    we all need it to last just a bit longer...

    All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.

    He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
    "Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.

    I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.

    He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
    Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
    Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.

    I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
    I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending within a 't'.
    Careful
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?

    Precise wording. I believe Dizzy was dipped when he was a baby - pukka Christian with the baptismal cert and all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    AlistairM said:

    Good caption contest with a photo like this. Each has a rather amusing look!

    France's Macron and Italy's new PM Meloni held talks on Sunday reut.rs/3smN4YF

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1584287392827056128

    Vichy France. Good or bad idea?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,358
    stodge said:

    biggles said:

    Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.

    If Boris wants people to vote for him, fine. Let him start his own party or join with Farage and Tice.
    I repeat an earlier suggestion - make Boris Party Chairman. Let him spend two years on the rubber chicken circuit meeting his adoring membership and geeing them up for the election.

    Whilst well away from any meaningful power.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    IanB2 said:

    JohnO said:

    Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.

    Coffey? She’s useless!
    I've heard she wasn't bad at all at DWP and Sunak will need to include some from the ousted regime. But Brandon Lewis should also be sent packing...and of course Jake Berry!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    dixiedean said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:

    "There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."

    Unpick that puppy.

    Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.

    I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".

    English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
    The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
    Really? What are they?
    Genuine question.
    Start off with googling The Great Reset and go from there.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    Jonathan said:

    Rishi didn’t have break cover, say or do anything to get this. Impressive to a point, but he remains untested. Not ideal considering Truss managed to get the better of him last time. 😬

    Not really. Truss promised Tory members everything they wants while Rishi said it would end in tears

    2 months later it’s ended in tears amd Rishi is PM by default
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    stodge said:

    biggles said:

    Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.

    If Boris wants people to vote for him, fine. Let him start his own party or join with Farage and Tice.
    I repeat an earlier suggestion - make Boris Party Chairman. Let him spend two years on the rubber chicken circuit meeting his adoring membership and geeing them up for the election.

    Whilst well away from any meaningful power.
    The next two years before the election? That's like giving your subordinate, whom you suspect will go off and start a competing business, access to your customer database.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,912

    biggles said:

    Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.

    Untrue. I've posted frequently, from a Labour perspective, on the threat that BJ poses as the only Tory who can attract the white w/c from Labour and hang on to many of the "Red Wall" and similar seats up and down the country.
    Yes that’s fair. For “no one” read “many”. I do like my hyperbole.
  • George Osborne wins. The Tories can now begin the process of returning to the mainstream. That’s good news. We need a sane centre-right party. However, that poisonous Johnson statement makes clear it won’t be plain sailing. Whst a poisonous individual he is.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    ·
    11m
    1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.

    He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.

    We will always be grateful to him for that.
    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,789


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?

    Of Jewish ethnicity, certainly, but he was a baptised Christian and not a practising Jew.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way

    Raises the question whether and when second nominations are permitted by GBOL. Can Johnson nominators change their mind as of right? Or does Johnson have to notify GB he is not standing?
    He will have notified him, and those who nominated him can now nominate one of the other two candidates.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    Jonathan said:

    Rishi didn’t have break cover, say or do anything to get this. Impressive to a point, but he remains untested. Not ideal considering Truss managed to get the better of him last time. 😬

    Yep it was beginning to seem as though he was letting the little people do their thing before he deigned to step in.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    GIN1138 said:

    Latest Guido

    Sunak 164

    Mordaunt 30

    It looks like a coronation is on its way

    Political "coronations" have worked out so well in the past...
    Coronation is the wrong word really because there's been a contest. The members' vote was only introduced by William Hague, and arguably that was a mistake.
  • AlistairM said:

    Good caption contest with a photo like this. Each has a rather amusing look!

    France's Macron and Italy's new PM Meloni held talks on Sunday reut.rs/3smN4YF

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1584287392827056128

    Meloni most definitely leaning WAY to the right. Her right.

    As we've just seen, a youngish, reformist, populist, right-wingish prime minister needs balance.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:

    "There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."

    Unpick that puppy.

    My twopenneth: you need better friends
    My friends are close. It's my enemies whose posts I am scrolling through.
  • AlistairM said:

    Good caption contest with a photo like this. Each has a rather amusing look!

    France's Macron and Italy's new PM Meloni held talks on Sunday reut.rs/3smN4YF

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1584287392827056128

    Vichy France. Good or bad idea?
    Demand #1 - Return Nizza!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586


    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    ·
    11m
    1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.

    He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.

    We will always be grateful to him for that.
    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.

    "...preferably abroad."
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    MikeL said:

    Hunt declares for Rishi.

    Knowing that Penny has already said he'd stay in post!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    Leicester East could be a Tory gain at the next election.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,274
    Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705


    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    ·
    11m
    1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.

    He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.

    We will always be grateful to him for that.
    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.

    "...preferably, not within politics."
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    Bearing in mind (rightly) Sunak's huge wealth and privilege, I think he and Hunt will tread very carefully on public expenditure reductions, and will deliberately target the wealthy - individuals and corporates - in tax increases. Top rate (temporarily) raised back to 50%?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,570


    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    ·
    11m
    1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.

    He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.

    We will always be grateful to him for that.
    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.

    "...preferably abroad."
    "I have been speaking to my friends at SpaceX about making Boris our very first inter-planetary plenipotentiary."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    ydoethur said:

    Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.

    That's just amazing.

    I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because
    we all need it to last just a bit longer...

    All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.

    He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
    "Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.

    I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.

    He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
    Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
    Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.

    I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
    I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending within a 't'.
    Careful
    No, I agree.
    He’s a pretty odd coot.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?

    He converted.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,274


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    He went to a Christian foundation school however, Winchester college, founded by a former Bishop of Winchester
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    We'll soon know if this is horse:

    Allison Pearson
    @AllisonPearson
    ·
    55m
    If Penny Mordaunt made it through to the members’ round tomorrow she’d win. No doubt about it.

    But that’s not what’s been decided. Prepare for mass defection of any remaining Tory members. Good news for
    @WilliamClouston and
    @TiceRichard
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    Brexit nutters are taking the news well.


  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314
    edited October 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name

    Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing.
    You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:

    "There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."

    Unpick that puppy.

    Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.

    I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".

    English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
    The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
    Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
  • HYUFD said:

    Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name

    Good on you
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555


    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    ·
    11m
    1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.

    He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.

    We will always be grateful to him for that.
    Rishi Sunak
    @RishiSunak
    2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.

    Ouch.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    JohnO said:

    IanB2 said:

    JohnO said:

    Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.

    Coffey? She’s useless!
    I've heard she wasn't bad at all at DWP and Sunak will need to include some from the ousted regime. But Brandon Lewis should also be sent packing...and of course Jake Berry!
    As long as we keep Coffey away from the antibiotics.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    We'll soon know if this is horse:

    Allison Pearson
    @AllisonPearson
    ·
    55m
    If Penny Mordaunt made it through to the members’ round tomorrow she’d win. No doubt about it.

    But that’s not what’s been decided. Prepare for mass defection of any remaining Tory members. Good news for
    @WilliamClouston and
    @TiceRichard

    Fingers crossed they fuck off for good.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited October 2022
    JohnO said:

    Bearing in mind (rightly) Sunak's huge wealth and privilege, I think he and Hunt will tread very carefully on public expenditure reductions, and will deliberately target the wealthy - individuals and corporates - in tax increases. Top rate (temporarily) raised back to 50%?

    CGT = Income Tax?

    Perhaps higher rate tax relief on pensions gone?

    On Oct 31 he could well slaughter some sacred cows…

    (Expect that metaphor to be used a fair bit by journos!)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    edited October 2022
    Just finding it amusing that if the lazy git had been doing his job rather than on his arse in the Caribbean, he could have pulled this off.
    But he couldn't. Because he's Boris Johnson.
    Doing the work is his fatal flaw. Shakespearean.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:

    "There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."

    Unpick that puppy.

    Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.

    I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".

    English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
    The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
    Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
    As I said google The Great Reset and enlightenment will follow.
  • Andy_JS said:
    I expect the vast majority to move to Rishi now and cannot see Penny at 100
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Andy_JS said:


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    Leicester East could be a Tory gain at the next election.
    They will need it because I can't see them holding on to much of the Red Wall with Rishi at the helm.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    It would be great if all those disgruntled Cons were now to fuck off and form or join some kind of loono right wing party.

    Not saying we'd get our party back but it would be a start.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    TOPPING said:

    It would be great if all those disgruntled Cons were now to fuck off and form or join some kind of loono right wing party.

    Not saying we'd get our party back but it would be a start.


    Ian Dunt
    @IanDunt
    ·
    50m
    That Johnson comeback in full: flew back from a luxury holiday, posed like a twat, begged his rivals, lied about his support, let down his allies and fell on his arse.
    Ian Dunt
    @IanDunt
    ·
    47m
    Imagine being the kind of bellend who supports this shit. Imagine having gone out the last couple of days and campaigned for it
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,274

    HYUFD said:

    Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name

    Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing.
    You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
    On what grounds? I voted for Sunak in the summer and said earlier now was not the time for Boris, if we go back into opposition then maybe
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    Andy_JS said:
    I expect the vast majority to move to Rishi now and cannot see Penny at 100
    Possibly a mistake for Penny not to have done a deal with Bojo to join her campaign for a job.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772
    I’ve only just heard this news. Glorious. Rejoice!

    The Tory Party gets another shot at bringing itself back to some sort of sanity. I don’t have the highest of hopes, but I am much more positive about the future of British politics than I was at the start of the day
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    dixiedean said:

    Just finding it amusing that if the lazy git had been doing his job rather than on his arse in the Caribbean, he could have pulled this off.
    But he couldn't. Because he's Boris Johnson.
    Doing the work is his fatal flaw. Shakespearean.

    Yep.

    He only has himself to blame, although I’m sure he blames Brady & the 1922 for “stitching him up” with the tight timescale, while he was on holiday, and the high nomination threshold.

    But it doesn’t wash.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Andy_JS said:
    I expect the vast majority to move to Rishi now and cannot see Penny at 100
    It's done.

    Thank the Gods.

    Now can someone please get on and try and actually govern for the first time since early summer.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    This appears to be real. Hit a power line, apparently.

    Russian Su-25 crash view from pilot's perspective
    https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584127698913222657
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name

    Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing.
    You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
    On what grounds? I voted for Sunak in the summer and said earlier now was not the time for Boris, if we go back into opposition then maybe
    Sozza but you don't get to opine with any credibility any more Liz Truss didn't just do herself in, she took people like you down with her.

    Applauding her policies and applauding the reversal of her policies. That will take a lot of coming back from.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314
    edited October 2022
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name

    Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing.
    You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
    On what grounds? I voted for Sunak in the summer and said earlier now was not the time for Boris, if we go back into opposition then maybe
    You've completely misunderstood my post! I was having a pop at Boris, not you. Heaven forfend. Read it again and note the word 'Boris'.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Brexit nutters are taking the news well.


    Does he know the cobra symbolises rebirth in Hindu religion?

  • Andy_JS said:
    I expect the vast majority to move to Rishi now and cannot see Penny at 100
    It's done.

    Thank the Gods.

    Now can someone please get on and try and actually govern for the first time since early summer.

    Penny needs 40%+ of the remaining 161 votes

    I cannot see it
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    Pauline Latham also for Sunak.

    Change since Boris withdrew:

    Rishi +8
    Penny +1
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    £5.9m matched on betfair’s next PM market.

    Impressive.

    Political betting really has come of age.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    ping said:

    JohnO said:

    Bearing in mind (rightly) Sunak's huge wealth and privilege, I think he and Hunt will tread very carefully on public expenditure reductions, and will deliberately target the wealthy - individuals and corporates - in tax increases. Top rate (temporarily) raised back to 50%?

    CGT = Income Tax?

    Perhaps higher rate tax relief on pensions gone?

    On Oct 31 he could well slaughter some sacred cows…

    (Expect that metaphor to be used a fair bit by journos!)
    HYUFD said:


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    ·
    21m
    On Diwali tomorrow.
    @RishiSunak
    looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith

    He went to a Christian foundation school however, Winchester college, founded by a former Bishop of Winchester
    There was nothing former about it. But anyway he was primarily a successful politician, Christianity and bishoprics was just a side hustle.
  • Farooq said:

    deleted; my misunderstanding

    She needs 70
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169

    Andy_JS said:
    I expect the vast majority to move to Rishi now and cannot see Penny at 100
    It's done.

    Thank the Gods.

    Now can someone please get on and try and actually govern for the first time since early summer.

    Mordaunt is probably failing to gain the votes of some right-wingers because of her controversial trans views. Gullis could be in that camp.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708
    GIN1138 said:

    I fear the Johnsons are going to call for a general election, Rishi has no mandate and make life impossible for him.

    Well we should have an election. I mean not instantly as the markets are still too volatile but clearly there should be an election within the next six months or so (yes I'm aware there doesn't have to be legally, but morally the case for an election soon is compelling)
    Surely the argument for an election was stronger with Truss who seemed to want to govern on a new agenda. Words or phrases I hope Rishi uses in his statement outside No.10:

    Sorry
    2019 manifesto
    Ukraine
    Honesty
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