"And though I have reached out to both Rishi and Penny – because I hoped that we could come together in the national interest – we have sadly not been able to work out a way of doing this."
I am looking forward to hearing what the lying fuckwit was offering Sunak and Mordaunt.
'You can have your old jobs back'?
is this really language you think appropriate to a website like this - honestly getting tired of this type of language which is getting very common and its pretty juvenile and unpleasant to read- i think i have had enough so going to leave the site
I don't usually resort to obscenities but I will make an exception for Boris Johnson. He was, is and always has been a lying duplicitous lazy bastard and the country needs to breathe a sigh of relief that he has gone.
Is this the end of the line for Boris Johnson's political career? He's 58 now - if Labour are in for two terms, he'll be 70 by the time the Conservatives next get back to office and he'll surely be yesterday's man.
A somewhat ignominious end if I'm being honest - perhaps as with us all, the fault lies not in the stars but in ourselves and he was incapable of being the Prime Minister we wanted or needed.
To paraphrase Dickens, he might have been a good Prime Minister in the best of times but he wasn't suited to the worst of times.
The question now is whether he retreats quietly into the night or whether he remains the king over the water and a thorn in the side of Sunak if not directly then through his "friends" such as Dorries and Rees-Mogg whose political careers have probably also ended tonight.
To the victor, the spoils - it seems unlikely Mordaunt will get the nominations necessary and it's already clear those leaving the Johnson ship are heading more to Sunak. Having looked as though he had thrown away his chance of becoming Prime Minister with indecision in January, Rishi Sunak now finds himself alone on the battlefield in October.
It may yet be the most pyrrhic of victories - I find it hard to see after everything that has happened how the Conservatives can regain any modicum of unity or competence in the eyes of the electorate. Some on here seem to think it'll be easy - I'm far from convinced.
It is a mountain to climb but I expect Labour are disappointed tonight that Boris is not heading for no 10
I suspect a great number of them will be relieved
, as we all should be.
Yes, the sector of the Venn diagram in which Labour supporters want the mendacious clown back for perceived partisan advantage is pretty small; tiny, probably
Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.
Yes mate, and Mrs Brown's Boys is popular too.
Brilliant analogy. Precisely my point. (I hate that programme).
If we take Boris at his word (no laughter) he intentionally waited until he had the numbers to pull out. That would make him an utter timewaster. If he was not intending to stand he wouldn't have gone through this.
Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.
Shapps to have the shortest tenure ever at the Home Office?
@Leon can happily retire. Stand up and take a bow, Zahawidamus.
I can’t be arsed to trail back, but didn’t Leondamus also tell us the clown was coming back?
Damn, you might be right.
Yep. There was something about all the good yeoman of merrie england spontaneously starting to dance around a May pole as the news of the return of the king filtered through.
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
Is this the end of the line for Boris Johnson's political career? He's 58 now - if Labour are in for two terms, he'll be 70 by the time the Conservatives next get back to office and he'll surely be yesterday's man.
A somewhat ignominious end if I'm being honest - perhaps as with us all, the fault lies not in the stars but in ourselves and he was incapable of being the Prime Minister we wanted or needed.
To paraphrase Dickens, he might have been a good Prime Minister in the best of times but he wasn't suited to the worst of times.
The question now is whether he retreats quietly into the night or whether he remains the king over the water and a thorn in the side of Sunak if not directly then through his "friends" such as Dorries and Rees-Mogg whose political careers have probably also ended tonight.
To the victor, the spoils - it seems unlikely Mordaunt will get the nominations necessary and it's already clear those leaving the Johnson ship are heading more to Sunak. Having looked as though he had thrown away his chance of becoming Prime Minister with indecision in January, Rishi Sunak now finds himself alone on the battlefield in October.
It may yet be the most pyrrhic of victories - I find it hard to see after everything that has happened how the Conservatives can regain any modicum of unity or competence in the eyes of the electorate. Some on here seem to think it'll be easy - I'm far from convinced.
It is a mountain to climb but I expect Labour are disappointed tonight that Boris is not heading for no 10
No, they aren't.
The surveys from Redfield & Wilton show Labour 15 points ahead facing Johnson and 20 points ahead facing Sunak.
That gap may close - it may not.
Do you seriously think everyone is just going to forget the last three months of paralysis by self-indulgence which your party has inflicted on this country? For that reason alone, the Conservatives deserve a lengthy period in the futile wastelands of opposition until they treat the governance of the people of this country with the respect it deserves.
The smart political move would actually be for Rishi Sunak to retain James Cleverly and Nadhim Zahawi in the cabinet. Send a clear signal he's moving behind the division and petty tribalism of his predecessors. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584278091689754626
Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.
I think Javid will get a big job - possibly Foreign Secretary.
The problem now is going to be whether Sunak can do anything about Hunt - presumably the market reaction (I note some are already claiming some form of market "approval" for Sunak in the morning) if Hunt is replaced predicates against such a move but when you have a former Chancellor at No.10 it's often hard for them not to want to continue running the economy.
They both seem reasonable men and team players, they both start from a position of financial prudence. Sunak might lean more toward tax cuts ans spending cuts than Hunt but I don’t see any yawning policy differences, particularly as they will start so heavily boxed in.
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
I think everyone is so pleased to see the final end of Boris they are ignoring all the pitfalls of Rishi. But as ever, time will tell.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.
I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
Is this the end of the line for Boris Johnson's political career? He's 58 now - if Labour are in for two terms, he'll be 70 by the time the Conservatives next get back to office and he'll surely be yesterday's man.
A somewhat ignominious end if I'm being honest - perhaps as with us all, the fault lies not in the stars but in ourselves and he was incapable of being the Prime Minister we wanted or needed.
To paraphrase Dickens, he might have been a good Prime Minister in the best of times but he wasn't suited to the worst of times.
The question now is whether he retreats quietly into the night or whether he remains the king over the water and a thorn in the side of Sunak if not directly then through his "friends" such as Dorries and Rees-Mogg whose political careers have probably also ended tonight.
To the victor, the spoils - it seems unlikely Mordaunt will get the nominations necessary and it's already clear those leaving the Johnson ship are heading more to Sunak. Having looked as though he had thrown away his chance of becoming Prime Minister with indecision in January, Rishi Sunak now finds himself alone on the battlefield in October.
It may yet be the most pyrrhic of victories - I find it hard to see after everything that has happened how the Conservatives can regain any modicum of unity or competence in the eyes of the electorate. Some on here seem to think it'll be easy - I'm far from convinced.
It is a mountain to climb but I expect Labour are disappointed tonight that Boris is not heading for no 10
No, they aren't.
The surveys from Redfield & Wilton show Labour 15 points ahead facing Johnson and 20 points ahead facing Sunak.
That gap may close - it may not.
Do you seriously think everyone is just going to forget the last three months of paralysis by self-indulgence which your party has inflicted on this country? For that reason alone, the Conservatives deserve a lengthy period in the futile wastelands of opposition until they treat the governance of the people of this country with the respect it deserves. oblivion
Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
From the media you'd think it's a formality for Sunak. But in that case why does he have endorsements from only 43% of Tory MPs at the moment?
Another benefit of Mordaunt pulling out tomorrow morning - we will never know what Sunak's support in the party is. That ambiguity might prove helpful.
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.
I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending with a 't'.
Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.
Untrue. I've posted frequently, from a Labour perspective, on the threat that BJ poses as the only Tory who can attract the white w/c from Labour and hang on to many of the "Red Wall" and similar seats up and down the country.
Rishi didn’t have break cover, say or do anything to get this. Impressive to a point, but he remains untested. Not ideal considering Truss managed to get the better of him last time. 😬
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
Political "coronations" have worked out so well in the past...
It's not really a coronation. He came 2nd to Truss, who since proved to be a total phantom dud, winning even a decent wedge of the membership only a handful of weeks ago.
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.
I think Javid will get a big job - possibly Foreign Secretary.
The problem now is going to be whether Sunak can do anything about Hunt - presumably the market reaction (I note some are already claiming some form of market "approval" for Sunak in the morning) if Hunt is replaced predicates against such a move but when you have a former Chancellor at No.10 it's often hard for them not to want to continue running the economy.
They both seem reasonable men and team players, they both start from a position of financial prudence. Sunak might lean more toward tax cuts ans spending cuts than Hunt but I don’t see any yawning policy differences, particularly as they will start so heavily boxed in.
I can only really see Penny as Foreign or Home Secretary (can't see Defence changing). Her whole political career seems geared towards these.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?
Raises the question whether and when second nominations are permitted by GBOL. Can Johnson nominators change their mind as of right? Or does Johnson have to notify GB he is not standing?
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.
I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending within a 't'.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?
Precise wording. I believe Dizzy was dipped when he was a baby - pukka Christian with the baptismal cert and all.
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.
I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending within a 't'.
Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.
If Boris wants people to vote for him, fine. Let him start his own party or join with Farage and Tice.
I repeat an earlier suggestion - make Boris Party Chairman. Let him spend two years on the rubber chicken circuit meeting his adoring membership and geeing them up for the election.
Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.
Coffey? She’s useless!
I've heard she wasn't bad at all at DWP and Sunak will need to include some from the ousted regime. But Brandon Lewis should also be sent packing...and of course Jake Berry!
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Really? What are they? Genuine question.
Start off with googling The Great Reset and go from there.
Rishi didn’t have break cover, say or do anything to get this. Impressive to a point, but he remains untested. Not ideal considering Truss managed to get the better of him last time. 😬
Not really. Truss promised Tory members everything they wants while Rishi said it would end in tears
2 months later it’s ended in tears amd Rishi is PM by default
Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.
If Boris wants people to vote for him, fine. Let him start his own party or join with Farage and Tice.
I repeat an earlier suggestion - make Boris Party Chairman. Let him spend two years on the rubber chicken circuit meeting his adoring membership and geeing them up for the election.
Whilst well away from any meaningful power.
The next two years before the election? That's like giving your subordinate, whom you suspect will go off and start a competing business, access to your customer database.
Still no one on here understands that Boris remains genuinely popular with a certain vote the Tories otherwise won’t get. Not wanting him as PM (I don’t either), or disliking him, shouldn’t stop you from understanding his appeal to others.
Untrue. I've posted frequently, from a Labour perspective, on the threat that BJ poses as the only Tory who can attract the white w/c from Labour and hang on to many of the "Red Wall" and similar seats up and down the country.
Yes that’s fair. For “no one” read “many”. I do like my hyperbole.
George Osborne wins. The Tories can now begin the process of returning to the mainstream. That’s good news. We need a sane centre-right party. However, that poisonous Johnson statement makes clear it won’t be plain sailing. Whst a poisonous individual he is.
Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak · 11m 1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.
He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.
We will always be grateful to him for that. Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak 2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?
Of Jewish ethnicity, certainly, but he was a baptised Christian and not a practising Jew.
Raises the question whether and when second nominations are permitted by GBOL. Can Johnson nominators change their mind as of right? Or does Johnson have to notify GB he is not standing?
He will have notified him, and those who nominated him can now nominate one of the other two candidates.
Rishi didn’t have break cover, say or do anything to get this. Impressive to a point, but he remains untested. Not ideal considering Truss managed to get the better of him last time. 😬
Yep it was beginning to seem as though he was letting the little people do their thing before he deigned to step in.
Political "coronations" have worked out so well in the past...
Coronation is the wrong word really because there's been a contest. The members' vote was only introduced by William Hague, and arguably that was a mistake.
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.
I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending with a 't'.
I like it. Reminds me of my late grandmother, who used it frequently.
Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak · 11m 1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.
He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.
We will always be grateful to him for that. Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak 2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
Leicester East could be a Tory gain at the next election.
Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak · 11m 1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.
He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.
We will always be grateful to him for that. Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak 2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
Bearing in mind (rightly) Sunak's huge wealth and privilege, I think he and Hunt will tread very carefully on public expenditure reductions, and will deliberately target the wealthy - individuals and corporates - in tax increases. Top rate (temporarily) raised back to 50%?
Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak · 11m 1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.
He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.
We will always be grateful to him for that. Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak 2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
"...preferably abroad."
"I have been speaking to my friends at SpaceX about making Boris our very first inter-planetary plenipotentiary."
Was there ever a man with such extraordinary luck as Sunak? Raised to the top of the Cabinet on the fly because he wasn't anathema to an obnoxious certifiable lunatic with shocking judgement and a raging egomania. Elevated to demigod status by his free money during the pandemic. Able to dodge all sorts of questions about his wealth, his breaches of COVID law and tax status because they were totally overshadowed by the crimes of Johnson and many civil servants who couldn't shop him without destroying themselves. Brings down a PM and as a result looks set to lose the prize, only for the person who beat him to cock up on a truly epic scale a bare month into her premiership and having to resign. And then finally, when even then he might have lost the prize, a totally discredited figure with no support anywhere except among a few of the dimmer Tory members whips up a massive head of steam before imploding again, blocking any serious challenge and handing him the leadership nem con.
That's just amazing.
I do hope his luck hasn't deserted him, because we all need it to last just a bit longer...
All good politicians need luck, but they also need to be able to forge opportunity from adversity. He has both. I'm glad he will be PM because he isn't a moral degenerate like so many of the recent government ministers.
He inherits a horrible mess and will have to do really unpopular things. But he will do it with competence and compassion which will be a major change to recent iterations of the Tory government.
"Compassion" Haha, he'll fuck the poor over royally.
I'm saving this post for 12 months time. Sunak will p1ss over those in need.
He will. But as his chancellor has been saying all week, he will not be happy about it. Whereas the Truss wing of the party literally sneers at the poor and belittles them - "get a better job" and "learn to cook"
Are you kidding? Of course he will be happy about it or, at least, couldn't give a toss. This whole idea Rishi is someone who genuinely cares about the poor is a joke. Look at what he said when he was younger. He really doesn't give a f*ck about anyone who can't help him.
Rishi is a combination of Lord Snooty and Kenneth Widmerpool.
I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
I have a more pithy description, one that consists of four letters beginning with a 'c' and ending within a 't'.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
I assume that's taking Disraeli as not strictly Jewish?
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
He went to a Christian foundation school however, Winchester college, founded by a former Bishop of Winchester
Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name
Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing. You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak · 11m 1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.
He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.
We will always be grateful to him for that. Rishi Sunak @RishiSunak 2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
Assuming Rishi wins, I'd dump Zahawi but retain Cleverly and possibly Coffey too in Cabinet. I guess Wallaces stays at MoD. Rees-Mogg, Heaton-Harris, Buckland, Sharma and Trevelyan should also all be sent packing. I imagine Dominic Raab (who has kind of redeemed himself recently) will be rewarded, quite conceivably as Home Secretary. Big promotions for Mordaunt and Badenoch.
Coffey? She’s useless!
I've heard she wasn't bad at all at DWP and Sunak will need to include some from the ousted regime. But Brandon Lewis should also be sent packing...and of course Jake Berry!
As long as we keep Coffey away from the antibiotics.
Bearing in mind (rightly) Sunak's huge wealth and privilege, I think he and Hunt will tread very carefully on public expenditure reductions, and will deliberately target the wealthy - individuals and corporates - in tax increases. Top rate (temporarily) raised back to 50%?
CGT = Income Tax?
Perhaps higher rate tax relief on pensions gone?
On Oct 31 he could well slaughter some sacred cows…
(Expect that metaphor to be used a fair bit by journos!)
Just finding it amusing that if the lazy git had been doing his job rather than on his arse in the Caribbean, he could have pulled this off. But he couldn't. Because he's Boris Johnson. Doing the work is his fatal flaw. Shakespearean.
Great comments on some of my FB feeds from seething Cons members. Typical of the genre:
"There is a remainer, globalist coup taking place at the heart of the British government."
Unpick that puppy.
Setting aside the endless "remainer" guff, the "globalist" thing they keep going on about is interesting.
I assume the "globalists" behind this "coup" are the bankers and financiers etc who refused to support their IEA financial shithousery. So domestic and foreign banks and bankers and investors refusing to do whatever the loon right say is a coup. Because England should be able to do what it likes and the rest of the world should just say "thank you".
English exceptionalism at its best. Do they think we are the US?
The key phrase is "WEF" which I think is supposed to stand for World Economic Forum but it isn't a huge leap to get to other meanings.
Given that the World Economic Forum as far as I know has no formal or informal connections with Israel or Jewishness (forgive me if antisemitism isn't what you're driving at), is every globalist takeover of the world to be ignored because the very concept is considered antisemitic? In which case, would anyone like to take over the world with me? It seems easy if nobody is allowed to say anything about it.
As I said google The Great Reset and enlightenment will follow.
Sunder Katwala @sundersays · 21m On Diwali tomorrow. @RishiSunak looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
Leicester East could be a Tory gain at the next election.
They will need it because I can't see them holding on to much of the Red Wall with Rishi at the helm.
It would be great if all those disgruntled Cons were now to fuck off and form or join some kind of loono right wing party.
Not saying we'd get our party back but it would be a start.
Ian Dunt @IanDunt · 50m That Johnson comeback in full: flew back from a luxury holiday, posed like a twat, begged his rivals, lied about his support, let down his allies and fell on his arse. Ian Dunt @IanDunt · 47m Imagine being the kind of bellend who supports this shit. Imagine having gone out the last couple of days and campaigned for it
Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name
Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing. You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
On what grounds? I voted for Sunak in the summer and said earlier now was not the time for Boris, if we go back into opposition then maybe
I’ve only just heard this news. Glorious. Rejoice!
The Tory Party gets another shot at bringing itself back to some sort of sanity. I don’t have the highest of hopes, but I am much more positive about the future of British politics than I was at the start of the day
Just finding it amusing that if the lazy git had been doing his job rather than on his arse in the Caribbean, he could have pulled this off. But he couldn't. Because he's Boris Johnson. Doing the work is his fatal flaw. Shakespearean.
Yep.
He only has himself to blame, although I’m sure he blames Brady & the 1922 for “stitching him up” with the tight timescale, while he was on holiday, and the high nomination threshold.
Just finding it amusing that if the lazy git had been doing his job rather than on his arse in the Caribbean, he could have pulled this off. But he couldn't. Because he's Boris Johnson. Doing the work is his fatal flaw. Shakespearean.
Yep.
He only has himself to blame, although I’m sure he blames Brady & the 1922 for “stitching him up” with the tight timescale, while he was on holiday, and the high nomination threshold.
But it doesn’t wash.
Truss was away when Boris resigned. She still managed to win.
Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name
Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing. You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
On what grounds? I voted for Sunak in the summer and said earlier now was not the time for Boris, if we go back into opposition then maybe
Sozza but you don't get to opine with any credibility any more Liz Truss didn't just do herself in, she took people like you down with her.
Applauding her policies and applauding the reversal of her policies. That will take a lot of coming back from.
Well done Boris, the right thing to do and Rishi is now PM elect in all but name
Yes, well done Boris. You've generated thousands of posts on PB over the last few days, and all for nothing. You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
On what grounds? I voted for Sunak in the summer and said earlier now was not the time for Boris, if we go back into opposition then maybe
You've completely misunderstood my post! I was having a pop at Boris, not you. Heaven forfend. Read it again and note the word 'Boris'.
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Night all.
France's Macron and Italy's new PM Meloni held talks on Sunday reut.rs/3smN4YF
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1584287392827056128
The surveys from Redfield & Wilton show Labour 15 points ahead facing Johnson and 20 points ahead facing Sunak.
That gap may close - it may not.
Do you seriously think everyone is just going to forget the last three months of paralysis by self-indulgence which your party has inflicted on this country? For that reason alone, the Conservatives deserve a lengthy period in the futile wastelands of opposition until they treat the governance of the people of this country with the respect it deserves.
Sunak 164
Mordaunt 30
It looks like a coronation is on its way
I'd keep Hunt and Shapps, for now. Sacking them isn't the priority.
Coffey and JRM go. I'd keep Kemi and DIT, but I'd keep her in mind for next time.
Sunder Katwala
@sundersays
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21m
On Diwali tomorrow.
@RishiSunak
looks set to become party leader. As a Hindu, he will be the first British Prime Minister to practice a non-Christian faith
I wish him well (the country needs a period of stability) but I have pretty modest hopes.
Genuine question.
In one hour @ 3.30pm PDT - Debate in the 2022 WA Secretary of State race:
https://crosscut.com/politics/2022/10/watch-live-hobbs-anderson-duel-secretary-state-debate
Note that recent polling shows this race is up for grabs.
Whilst well away from any meaningful power.
2 months later it’s ended in tears amd Rishi is PM by default
Rishi Sunak
@RishiSunak
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11m
1/ Boris Johnson delivered Brexit and the great vaccine roll-out.
He led our country through some of the toughest challenges we have ever faced, and then took on Putin and his barbaric war in Ukraine.
We will always be grateful to him for that.
Rishi Sunak
@RishiSunak
2/ Although he has decided not to run for PM again, I truly hope he continues to contribute to public life at home and abroad.
As we've just seen, a youngish, reformist, populist, right-wingish prime minister needs balance.
'Clot' is a much underused word these days.
He’s a pretty odd coot.
He's probably at home kicking the dog right now, plotting revenge.
Allison Pearson
@AllisonPearson
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55m
If Penny Mordaunt made it through to the members’ round tomorrow she’d win. No doubt about it.
But that’s not what’s been decided. Prepare for mass defection of any remaining Tory members. Good news for
@WilliamClouston and
@TiceRichard
Con 2.9
Lab 1.58
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.167249009
You've wasted our time, you utter charlatan.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PRufWhh2YAoxPUJEXeVaEOe7rcT1IINOXijeLI6o9Cc/htmlview?pru=AAABhCrdY4Q*2JdORJeKBBHoo_v4lbbCYQ#gid=0
Perhaps higher rate tax relief on pensions gone?
On Oct 31 he could well slaughter some sacred cows…
(Expect that metaphor to be used a fair bit by journos!)
But he couldn't. Because he's Boris Johnson.
Doing the work is his fatal flaw. Shakespearean.
Not saying we'd get our party back but it would be a start.
Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
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50m
That Johnson comeback in full: flew back from a luxury holiday, posed like a twat, begged his rivals, lied about his support, let down his allies and fell on his arse.
Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
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47m
Imagine being the kind of bellend who supports this shit. Imagine having gone out the last couple of days and campaigned for it
The Tory Party gets another shot at bringing itself back to some sort of sanity. I don’t have the highest of hopes, but I am much more positive about the future of British politics than I was at the start of the day
He only has himself to blame, although I’m sure he blames Brady & the 1922 for “stitching him up” with the tight timescale, while he was on holiday, and the high nomination threshold.
But it doesn’t wash.
Thank the Gods.
Now can someone please get on and try and actually govern for the first time since early summer.
Russian Su-25 crash view from pilot's perspective
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1584127698913222657
Truss > Boris. That's gotta hurt.
Applauding her policies and applauding the reversal of her policies. That will take a lot of coming back from.