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Some good polling for Sunak over Johnson but terrible polling for the Tories – politicalbetting.com

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW
    @MoodysInvSvc lowers UK sovereign rating outlook to negative because of “heightened unpredictability in policy making” and “risks to UKs debt affordability and a sustained weakening in policy credibility”

    https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-changes-the-outlook-on-the-UK-to-negative-affirms--PR_469280

    This will hopefully concentrate minds over the weekend and force MPs to get rishi 268 in the first round.
  • Sunak needs a big majority of MPs and buy off Bozo with a big Ukraine related role - special envoy or some such, give him something to do that he is actually passable at. Then can we please have a couple boring months of stable government with occasional Mark Francois baiting

    A first class idea. (They should check some chinless wonders so they can tuck you into an out-of-the-way cubicle somewhere in Downing St.)

    Boris could do the Lord's work (in theory) touring Europe, America, all over barnstorming for UKR support. Do it right, and he could end up on triumphant visit to Borisgrad (Johnson'sk Oblast) someday.
  • dixiedean said:

    How long does it take Bojo to get home? Slothful and slapdash as always.

    With any luck, by the time he lands he will be told he can't win this.
    For the sake of this country, we can only hope. Though I am still massively concerned that a number of cabinet members think he can waltz back in, no harm done..
    Self interest
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,184
    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Frankly 19% is remarkably high, given the spectacle of the past week....

    Next goal has to be single figures.
    Scottish Tories at 3% in today’s People Polling/GB News:

    SNP 58%
    SLab 22%
    SLD 7%
    Grn 3%
    Ref 3%
    SCon 3%
    oth 3%
    Even Boris got 25% in Scotland in 2019, they will change under the new leader. While Salmond likely stands candidates against Sturgeon if she continues to rule out UDI
    Salmond is almost entirely irrelevant right now. He could stand 59 candidates and might not make a difference in a single seat.
    Oh he could, if he splits the Nationalist vote. If the SC rules against an independence referendum and Sturgeon rules out UDI that is very possible
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,560
    If Johnson returns, does he still get his resignation honours list???
  • dixiedean said:

    How long does it take Bojo to get home? Slothful and slapdash as always.

    My guess is that he has to fly via Miami.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    🗣'As the chairman of the Treasury select committee, I am supporting Rishi Sunak to be the next prime minister and Conservative Party leader' | Writes Mel Stride https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/calm-competent-rishi-sunak-can-save-conservative-party/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1666384902-3
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Frankly 19% is remarkably high, given the spectacle of the past week....

    Next goal has to be single figures.
    Scottish Tories at 3% in today’s People Polling/GB News:

    SNP 58%
    SLab 22%
    SLD 7%
    Grn 3%
    Ref 3%
    SCon 3%
    oth 3%
    Even Boris got 25% in Scotland in 2019, they will change under the new leader. While Salmond likely stands candidates against Sturgeon if she continues to rule out UDI
    Away and play with a train set. You've said that about two or twenty times today already.
    A train set is too grown up for him
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrMjp_gt-EY

    This\ might be OK. Used to have one like it when I was about 4.
    Absolutely love it - wonderful
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,462

    If Johnson returns, does he still get his resignation honours list???

    And what with Ms Truss's one, there'll be trillions of new ermine vermin.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807

    If Johnson returns, does he still get his resignation honours list???

    Twice. One for September and another one in December.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,753

    HYUFD said:
    There is no case for Johnson under any circumstances
    He can be PM again when hell freezes over.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,747
    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    How long does it take Bojo to get home? Slothful and slapdash as always.

    With any luck, by the time he lands he will be told he can't win this.
    With any luck he doesn't land and just keeps going
    Floating gently up up and up, beyond the clouds, beyond the sky, and into the vast beyond.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    Farooq said:

    Huge blow for Rishi as Matt Hancock has publicly endorsed Sunak

    Perversely I see that as good news. If Hancock is backing him it's presumably because he's going to win. Although Hancock might have misjudged it........
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022
    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    Remember during the week we had the 'deal is done' stuff. Penny knows she is getting the FO, shes there to get to 100 'if needed' to ensure they can squeeze Boris out, the party has basically decided its Rishi/Hunt/Penny with Shapps as cushion warmer for the Saj and everything now is about stopping/seeing off the ERG/Boris. If it ends with some of them hiving off to some new Farage venture so much the better Rishi will say
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,747
    edited October 2022
    Alistair said:

    Lay Yes back Bojo as next leader?

    Opposite is better imo. Back Yes and lay him as next leader.

    Both can win.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,184
    edited October 2022
    Pile in on Sunak! Close to free money, payout on Monday
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,271
    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143
    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,234

    dixiedean said:

    How long does it take Bojo to get home? Slothful and slapdash as always.

    My guess is that he has to fly via Miami.
    Antigua on C4 news.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:
    This is the kind of gaslighting crap I'd hoped we'd seen the back of.
    Easily shot down in the comments....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,485

    dixiedean said:

    How long does it take Bojo to get home? Slothful and slapdash as always.

    My guess is that he has to fly via Miami.
    Probs being cavity searched then.
    Fair enough.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,951

    If Johnson returns, does he still get his resignation honours list???

    More importantly does he still get his £118,000 a year?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,965
    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    Lay Yes back Bojo as next leader?

    I think we need to know how many members don't have email addresses and will not be able to vote. Just seen The Times suggest it is ca. 20k members, a vast majority of those would be in the Boris camp IMO.
    Really useful insight on this, thanks.

    BUT - mental that those members who are not easily impersonated/are actually the pet cat/are Boris with 2000 gmail accounts are the ones being disenfranchised.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,462
    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,350
    Scott_xP said:

    🗣'As the chairman of the Treasury select committee, I am supporting Rishi Sunak to be the next prime minister and Conservative Party leader' | Writes Mel Stride https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/calm-competent-rishi-sunak-can-save-conservative-party/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1666384902-3

    Surely his support is in his capacity of Conservative MP ?
    His position as Committee chair is irrelevant to a party leadership contest.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807

    HYUFD said:
    There is no case for Johnson under any circumstances
    He can be PM again when hell freezes over.
    Speaking of hell freezing over: Charles Moore has written something I agree with in tomorrow's Telegraph:

    "I would suggest it is too soon. There are second-order reasons why this is so – the imminent proceedings of the Commons Standards and Privileges Committee which is desperate to suspend him for allegedly misleading the House, the explosion of rage from numerous quarters which would almost paralyse public life if he were back in Downing Street."
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    edited October 2022

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,355
    dixiedean said:

    John Penrose just said that Brenda from Bristol said "Oh No. Not another one!" when Gordon Brown called an election.
    It's a minor slip. But psychologically indicative of how some Tories think.
    It's always someone else's fault.

    Or old working class women all look the same. Brenda==Gillian Duffy in his eyes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,462
    Pro_Rata said:

    dixiedean said:

    John Penrose just said that Brenda from Bristol said "Oh No. Not another one!" when Gordon Brown called an election.
    It's a minor slip. But psychologically indicative of how some Tories think.
    It's always someone else's fault.

    Or old working class women all look the same. Brenda==Gillian Duffy in his eyes.
    Ah - a very nice observation.
  • Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    Mile High Privy Council?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,355
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    Hogarth would have adored this lot.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,674

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    Mile High Privy Council?
    Very good, Minister.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,965
    edited October 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    "serious political website" :)

    The problem with this is we can only reflect actual politics. That's why there isn't a Scottish version of PB - it's all too serious up here. And everyone is very angry.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,485
    Pro_Rata said:

    dixiedean said:

    John Penrose just said that Brenda from Bristol said "Oh No. Not another one!" when Gordon Brown called an election.
    It's a minor slip. But psychologically indicative of how some Tories think.
    It's always someone else's fault.

    Or old working class women all look the same. Brenda==Gillian Duffy in his eyes.
    Yep. That thought occurred too.
  • Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    Wasn't until Victorian era that you could look forward to going to bed with a good Trollope.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,184
    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,841

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    Mile High Privy Council?
    Privy Congress, shurely?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Scott_xP said:

    A moron speaks: Boris’s first time in office was a great success, shamefully curtailed.
    Normies: What the absolute fuck?
    Moron (who is an MP): Why do you hate so much?
    Voter: Let me introduce you to the concept of a mirror.

    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1583557133676576768

    Perhaps the unfunniest tweet ever tweeted
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,485
    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    He could slip on to the role easily.
    Or become tied up pretty soon.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,951
    Vox pops in Bridgend on ITV Wales News was overwhelmingly Johnson. Interviewees were very skeptical of Labour and Starmer in particular.

    I may have read this all wrong and despite the scandals and the desperate economic situation, Johnson might pull another five years off against the run of play.

    Madness!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,333
    Bizarre tweet from Tobias Ellwood. Apparently "the free market experiment is over".

    @Tobias_Ellwood
    The free mkt experiment is over - it’s been a low point in our Party’s great history.

    The reset begins.

    Time for centrist, stable, fiscally responsible Government offering credible domestic & international leadership.

    Honoured to be the 100th Tory MP to support #Ready4Rishi


    https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1583560922139791361
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143
    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    LOL.

    The majority of members couldn't give a feck. Their hero has been traduced by the remainer elite. That's all the investigation is to them. Just another plot to stop their man.

  • nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    The hustings are going to be dreadful for him and the poll after
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    Mile High Privy Council?
    High Court With His Trousers Down?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    Lay Yes back Bojo as next leader?

    I think we need to know how many members don't have email addresses and will not be able to vote. Just seen The Times suggest it is ca. 20k members, a vast majority of those would be in the Boris camp IMO.
    Really useful insight on this, thanks.

    BUT - mental that those members who are not easily impersonated/are actually the pet cat/are Boris with 2000 gmail accounts are the ones being disenfranchised.
    If you fancy a nightmare scenario, imagine the Tory members' online vote finishes with both candidates within a few hundred votes of each other. 😳
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143
    IanB2 said:

    Pile in on Sunak! Close to free money, payout on Monday

    One for the ages.

    I salute you sir for sheer bravado.

  • IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    The other interesting thing is the distinct lack of backing from Boris's former chums in the media.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,422

    Bizarre tweet from Tobias Ellwood. Apparently "the free market experiment is over".

    @Tobias_Ellwood
    The free mkt experiment is over - it’s been a low point in our Party’s great history.

    The reset begins.

    Time for centrist, stable, fiscally responsible Government offering credible domestic & international leadership.

    Honoured to be the 100th Tory MP to support #Ready4Rishi


    https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1583560922139791361

    So he thinks a reset would be a great idea ?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,462

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    Wasn't until Victorian era that you could look forward to going to bed with a good Trollope.
    Quite. I've worked my way through the Barchester Chronicles and the Pallisers. Tonight, might go for a nice battleship technical history, though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,350
    McConnell breaks with McCarthy on Ukraine & touts military aid already approved “on an overwhelming bipartisan basis.”

    “A Republican majority in the Senate will focus its oversight on ensuring timely delivery of needed weapons and greater allied assistance to Ukraine...”

    https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1583484713712640000
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,485

    Vox pops in Bridgend on ITV Wales News was overwhelmingly Johnson. Interviewees were very skeptical of Labour and Starmer in particular.

    I may have read this all wrong and despite the scandals and the desperate economic situation, Johnson might pull another five years off against the run of play.

    Madness!

    Yeah.
    I get that too.
    A Boris actually having to deal with an economic crisis, rather than bullshitting it away would be fun.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    Nice ring to it.

    I feel for those who lost out on a 250-1 bet because of the short tragi-comic tenure of Liz Truss. Maybe sue the Conservative membership in a class action?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807

    Bizarre tweet from Tobias Ellwood. Apparently "the free market experiment is over".

    @Tobias_Ellwood
    The free mkt experiment is over - it’s been a low point in our Party’s great history.

    The reset begins.

    Time for centrist, stable, fiscally responsible Government offering credible domestic & international leadership.

    Honoured to be the 100th Tory MP to support #Ready4Rishi


    https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1583560922139791361

    Thought that was strange too.

    But not as odd as JRM's "Boris or Bust". That's going to get thrown back at him when Boris loses.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    I think that's right.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    NEW: Penny Mordaunt indicates she would appoint a front bench of all the talents (ie across Tory Party factions) in a comment issued to @Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/penny-mordaunt-would-keep-jeremy-hunt-chancellor/ https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583574813179711488/photo/1
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,485

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    Lay Yes back Bojo as next leader?

    I think we need to know how many members don't have email addresses and will not be able to vote. Just seen The Times suggest it is ca. 20k members, a vast majority of those would be in the Boris camp IMO.
    Really useful insight on this, thanks.

    BUT - mental that those members who are not easily impersonated/are actually the pet cat/are Boris with 2000 gmail accounts are the ones being disenfranchised.
    If you fancy a nightmare scenario, imagine the Tory members' online vote finishes with both candidates within a few hundred votes of each other. 😳
    52-48?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🗣'As the chairman of the Treasury select committee, I am supporting Rishi Sunak to be the next prime minister and Conservative Party leader' | Writes Mel Stride https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/calm-competent-rishi-sunak-can-save-conservative-party/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1666384902-3

    Surely his support is in his capacity of Conservative MP ?
    His position as Committee chair is irrelevant to a party leadership contest.
    You are dealing with a remarkably pompous hierarchy where this stuff really matters.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,184
    edited October 2022

    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    The other interesting thing is the distinct lack of backing from Boris's former chums in the media.
    Exactly - you can feel the way things are going, there are clues everywhere.

    Yes, if Johnson gets 100, he could probably win. But he’ll have such opposition within the party hierarchy, he’ll be presented with a list of people who won’t work with him and a list of those who will leave the party. He may be presented with details of other stuff, so far only rumoured deep on the internet, that he wouldn’t want made public. There are dozens of levers the party will be able to bring to bear, and he’ll understand them all too well. He won’t run.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,333
    I've got a feeling Boris won't run. It will be a repeat of 2016 when he'll judge that the mood of the parliamentary party isn't behind him and bow out.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,485
    edited October 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Penny Mordaunt indicates she would appoint a front bench of all the talents (ie across Tory Party factions) in a comment issued to @Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/penny-mordaunt-would-keep-jeremy-hunt-chancellor/ https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583574813179711488/photo/1

    Talents?
    My arse.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,188

    Bizarre tweet from Tobias Ellwood. Apparently "the free market experiment is over".

    @Tobias_Ellwood
    The free mkt experiment is over - it’s been a low point in our Party’s great history.

    The reset begins.

    Time for centrist, stable, fiscally responsible Government offering credible domestic & international leadership.

    Honoured to be the 100th Tory MP to support #Ready4Rishi


    https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1583560922139791361

    I fail to see what is "bizarre" about it. I hope it is correct.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,674
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Penny Mordaunt indicates she would appoint a front bench of all the talents (ie across Tory Party factions) in a comment issued to @Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/penny-mordaunt-would-keep-jeremy-hunt-chancellor/ https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583574813179711488/photo/1

    Talents?
    That's "anyone who can stump up 3,600 Shekels for the job."
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    They had Gillray though:

    image
  • Nigelb said:

    McConnell breaks with McCarthy on Ukraine & touts military aid already approved “on an overwhelming bipartisan basis.”

    “A Republican majority in the Senate will focus its oversight on ensuring timely delivery of needed weapons and greater allied assistance to Ukraine...”

    https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1583484713712640000

    Good cop, bad cop. One appealing to (mainly) suburban swing voters, other to MAGA-maniacs.

    Somewhat similar dynamic Johnson, Trump on same issue.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277

    Vox pops in Bridgend on ITV Wales News was overwhelmingly Johnson. Interviewees were very skeptical of Labour and Starmer in particular.

    I may have read this all wrong and despite the scandals and the desperate economic situation, Johnson might pull another five years off against the run of play.

    Madness!

    The media want the clown and these VOX pops are hardly a weighed sample of the public .
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Please let there be Tory/LibDem crossover.

    I'm dreaming of the Tory-Green crossover
    Or, in Scotland, Tory/Alba.
    I'm not dreaming of that. Alba are scum, no less so than the Tories. I'm want them both in the bin.
    To join you
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    Intense pressure - lol, what they gonna do, appeal to his innate decency and propriety?
  • Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    They had Gillray though:

    image
    One of his milder efforts.

    Worth noting that Gillray was switch-hitter. Lampooned Tories, then Whigs. (Or was it other way around?)
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    The other interesting thing is the distinct lack of backing from Boris's former chums in the media.
    Exactly - you can feel the way things are going, there are clues everywhere.

    Yes, if Johnson gets 100, he could probably win. But he’ll have such opposition within the party hierarchy, he’ll be presented with a list of people who won’t work with him and a list of those who will leave the party. He may be presented with details of other stuff, so far only rumoured deep on the internet, that he wouldn’t want made public. There are dozens of levers the party will be able to bring to bear, and he’ll understand them all too well. He won’t run.
    Dozens in the sense of, not any?

    Where is "deep on the internet"?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    They had Gillray though:

    image
    One of his milder efforts.

    Worth noting that Gillray was switch-hitter. Lampooned Tories, then Whigs. (Or was it other way around?)
    Tbf it was just the first one I could quickly find.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,841

    Vox pops in Bridgend on ITV Wales News was overwhelmingly Johnson. Interviewees were very skeptical of Labour and Starmer in particular.

    I may have read this all wrong and despite the scandals and the desperate economic situation, Johnson might pull another five years off against the run of play.

    Madness!

    Vox pops do not a properly conducted survey make. They probably went out on the streets looking for interviewees in the middle of the day, and found an assortment of confused elderly people and dangerous imbeciles wandering about, who are amongst Johnson's few remaining supporters. How quickly we forget that, by the time he was thrown out, his ratings weren't very much better than Truss's.

    For any Tory leader to win the next election, they are going to need to claw back the vast bulk of the huge flow of voters whose predilections have now swung directly from Conservative to Labour - and we've not even had most of the pain from the latest economic shockwave yet. The mortgage interest rate rises feeding through, the tax rises, the spending cuts, the collapsing public services. Basically, unless, in a shock plot twist, Keir Starmer is revealed quite literally to be Satan, the Tories are headed for opposition. The only question is how serious their defeat will be.
  • Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Penny Mordaunt indicates she would appoint a front bench of all the talents (ie across Tory Party factions) in a comment issued to @Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/penny-mordaunt-would-keep-jeremy-hunt-chancellor/ https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583574813179711488/photo/1

    Note the subject of the Gillray print posted just down-thread.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    They had Gillray though:

    image
    One of his milder efforts.

    Worth noting that Gillray was switch-hitter. Lampooned Tories, then Whigs. (Or was it other way around?)
    Seem to be a lot of depictions of Johnson in that cartoon.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Bozo has serious business to attend to on the flight home. Such as trying to entice one of the flight attendants to join him in the lav while Nut-Nut is asleep.

    I doubt another person could fit in the toilet with that fat bastard
    Just reflecting, before I go off to bed with a nice book, on the degree to which politics has changed in the UK in recent years that that sort of comment can be made on a serious political website without raising much in the way of eyebrows (although, admittedly, they didn't have the internet in the Georgian and Regency eras).
    A tory scorned and all that Carnyx
  • So what's latest box score?
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited October 2022
    On Keir Starmer: it's not good when civil servants become senior figures in political parties and aim to become prime ministers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,184
    Ishmael_Z said:

    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    Intense pressure - lol, what they gonna do, appeal to his innate decency and propriety?
    They have lots of ways. Johnson is under investigation, remember? And the other potential scandals widely rumoured - referred to by Crerar on the politics show in the week - are another lever. As is Hunt’s ability to resign.

    I did think there was a small chance Penny might make it through - if there’s a member ballot between her and Sunak. But it’s clear she’s only getting support from her closest friends, and she won’t win from so far behind in the MPs stakes. Barring a surprise en masse move of hundreds of MPs over the weekend, Sunak has it in the bag.
  • IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    I think that's right.
    I really hope it is right, Johnson as PM is 100% unacceptable
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,965
    BORIS IS ON A FLIGHT
  • I supported Brexit and voted Con at a GE for the first time in 2019 so ought to be the sort of person who would welcome person Boris back but the thought fills me with dread. I don't have anything against Boris personally and can understand why some people would welcome him back but now is not the right time.

    The Tories need to learn the lesson from the US Democrats. The Dems thought that Roe vs Wade would unlock the midterms but they are now starting to get crushed on inflation and crime:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2022/10/21/wave-watch-is-the-bottom-falling-out-for-democrats-n2614836

    The lesson is that fighting the culture wars (whether from the left or right) can work when the economy is going well but when the economy is bad that is only thing that matters (see Maslow's hierarchy of needs).

    In my view, the economy is the only thing that matters until the election and the only Tory who has the credibility to take the fight to Labour is Rishi.

    I'd vote for him (not that I can)
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,841
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Penny Mordaunt indicates she would appoint a front bench of all the talents (ie across Tory Party factions) in a comment issued to @Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/21/penny-mordaunt-would-keep-jeremy-hunt-chancellor/ https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1583574813179711488/photo/1

    Talents?
    My arse.
    When your party needs to call on Jeremy "Exercise Cygnus" Hunt to restore some semblance of rigour to governance, you know that the end is nigh.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    There’s still a weird mix of ramping-cum-bed-wetting-cum-attention-seeking on PB.

    If you think Boris is going to win, back him at much better than even money.

    It really is that simple.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited October 2022
    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    What do you make of Paul Staines's "info" that declared (to him) support for the contenders among "whips, party board members, Tory vice chairs and 1922 chairmen who have to remain publicly neutral" is currently running at

    18 Johnson
    6 Sunak
    4 Mordaunt
    ?

    The entire group of the "must remain publicly neutral" can't number many more than 28 surely?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,965
    Eabhal said:

    BORIS IS ON A FLIGHT

    Might be this: https://www.flightradar24.com/TOM157/2deeca26
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    Eabhal said:

    BORIS IS ON A FLIGHT

    ...of fancy. That he could be PM again.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    DJ41 said:

    IanB2 said:

    nico679 said:

    IanB2 said:

    It does look like most of the MPs are going to put Rishi as far ahead as they can. Penny’s poor showing is disappointing, but she’ll throw her support behind Rishi on Monday morning and get a top job out of it.

    It doesn't matter how far ahead Sunak is unless Johnson fails to get 100.

    I’m not convinced this is a shoe in for Johnson if he makes the final two .

    I think the fact he’s still under investigation could be a big factor .
    It’s Sunak, trust me. Brady and co knew that when they announced the vote; the Cabinet knew that when they met at the Carlton Club. Johnson may not make the hundred, and if he does there will be the most intense pressure for him to withdraw and play ball.

    It’s obvious Sunak will top the MPs poll by miles. The Tories - as has everyone else - understand that Truss’s problem was not being the MPs’ choice. They won’t make that mistake again. All Brady’s comments about the member stage were carefully worded, hedged to indicate it may or may not happen, and they are relaxed about the logistics and practical problems because it’s not going to happen.

    Sunak will be PM Monday evening.
    What do you make of Paul Staines's "info" that declared (to him) support for the contenders among "whips, party board members, Tory vice chairs and 1922 chairmen who have to remain publicly neutral" is currently running at

    18 Johnson
    6 Sunak
    4 Mordaunt
    ?

    The entire group of the "must remain publicly neutral" can't number many more than 28 surely?
    Truss appointees as Whips. Now unemployable by Sunak or Mordaunt. Hoping Boris might have some use for them.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,199

    I've got a feeling Boris won't run. It will be a repeat of 2016 when he'll judge that the mood of the parliamentary party isn't behind him and bow out.

    Agree. And I think he’ll endorse Rishi, and be given an Ukraine role and/or pick of safe seats. He’ll hang around and generally be Boris, and be a campaigning weapon in 2024.

    When/if they lose then, he’ll be back to reform the party around himself.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    ….
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,271
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    BORIS IS ON A FLIGHT

    Might be this: https://www.flightradar24.com/TOM157/2deeca26
    On a BA flight apparently.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    edited October 2022
    Now playing The Temptations - Papa was a rolling stone - 11 min 44 sec album version.

    Could have been written for Boris.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71l85z2bXAs&list=RDMM&index=21
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,003
    biggles said:

    I've got a feeling Boris won't run. It will be a repeat of 2016 when he'll judge that the mood of the parliamentary party isn't behind him and bow out.

    Agree. And I think he’ll endorse Rishi, and be given an Ukraine role and/or pick of safe seats. He’ll hang around and generally be Boris, and be a campaigning weapon in 2024.

    When/if they lose then, he’ll be back to reform the party around himself.
    Crazy thought - Boris as party chairman?
  • I supported Brexit and voted Con at a GE for the first time in 2019 so ought to be the sort of person who would welcome person Boris back but the thought fills me with dread. I don't have anything against Boris personally and can understand why some people would welcome him back but now is not the right time.

    The Tories need to learn the lesson from the US Democrats. The Dems thought that Roe vs Wade would unlock the midterms but they are now starting to get crushed on inflation and crime:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2022/10/21/wave-watch-is-the-bottom-falling-out-for-democrats-n2614836

    The lesson is that fighting the culture wars (whether from the left or right) can work when the economy is going well but when the economy is bad that is only thing that matters (see Maslow's hierarchy of needs).

    In my view, the economy is the only thing that matters until the election and the only Tory who has the credibility to take the fight to Labour is Rishi.

    I'd vote for him (not that I can)

    Agree to a point. Which is re: US mid-terms, think Dems "getting crushed" by "the bottom falling out" is overstating the situation by a bunch.

    But that cost-of-living is cancelling out gains due to Roe v Wade repeal is clear. Question is, by how much and what's the final balance?

    Note that my own ballot should be in tomorrow's mail. With two important statewide races - US Senator and WA Secretary of State - where Democrat is ahead but opponent (Republican in first, Nonpartisan in other) is closing the gap.

    Again, question is, will they pass ahead when all the votes are returned and counted? My guess is that Dems retain US Senate - and SOS is too close to call.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,965

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    BORIS IS ON A FLIGHT

    Might be this: https://www.flightradar24.com/TOM157/2deeca26
    On a BA flight apparently.
    Perhaps this: https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW2156/2deed57a before it swings north
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