A semi skilled politician would have recovered from the special budget by now. Somehow Truss contrives to keep it all going and makes it worse. It’s quite impressive.
The ‘not me gov’ line is almost as damaging as the u turn which itself was almost as bad as the original error.
Well they've doubled down because her and Kwasi really do believe in what they announced so as well as being incompetent and shockingly awful politicians they're probably slightly mad too.
Her first public hustings session showed the real Liz Truss. The worst of the candidates offered up.
Anybody who thinks that Liz Truss was a "safe pair of hands" should be seriously considering their career choice. Because we put the security of the nation's finances in people making that judgment call.
Tory MPs. What a bunch of muppets.
You have just spent a couple of years on here supporting these very "muppets".
If they have lost the likes of you then it is an extinction level GE approaching.
Only two years?? (Seriously, was MM UKip or LD before?)
I seem to recall him driving Boris's people around Dorset at one point....
Devon please.
His wife and his dog. (Which was great for some gossip...the things that dog had to say!)
It's either an innocent remark it was very unwise to release at such a time for the PM due to how it could be used, or Charles is a secret genius making an uninnocent remark which he can pretend is innocent, or it is open war between PM and monarch.
Actually I heard it as a self-deprecating "You must have a tough life to be delighted to see me".
Russian proverb: we are born in an open green field, we die in a dark forest
I get that sense at the moment. We are besieged by death, disease, and dire news, on all fronts. Of course part of this is the age of most PB-ers: ailing parents, dying friends, they come with middle age and old age
And yet the world is also FUCKED. The forest closes in
A stunning intervention from The National, which will no doubt be enjoyed by its solitary remaining reader
Quite a few PBTories and Unionists seem to subscribe to it.
Or are triggered by mention of it.
I was just going to ask whether you were about and well - I don't seem to have caught your posts recently.
Among other things a good friend who has been suffering/dying from MND for the last 2 years is reaching the hinner end. My appetite for wanking on on PB is somewhat diminished.
Horrible. Sympathies
Thanks. I had to write a very difficult text this morning to him, in effect a farewell, as he has gone into a hospice where he’ll be sedated as he dies due to them withdrawing the respirator on which he’s become dependent. Grim and sad.
I don’t know if giving that a like was appropriate, but it was an expression of sympathy. Grim indeed.
Extraordinary statement from a Conservative MP who attended the 1922:
“After tonight most Tory MPs accept that our current leader, given the decisions she took with the Fiscal Statement, can never provide the reassurance needed to arrest the loss of market confidence…
I wonder how may letters are in? It doesn't immediately matter if the 22 don't change the rules. But the 22 is a big part of the problem.
Perhaps Conservative MPs need a new iteration of the 22?
The way the 22 set up the contest was shambolic.. Brady needs to go, and whole process needs massive reform. I still can’t figure out how the membership looked at Truss and thought “there’s my election winner!”
Easy. They didn't want Sunak (raised taxes, too mean to Boris) and they didn't want Mordaunt (too woke).
The striking/scary thing is that the Eurosceptic Right landed on Truss as their standard bearer, becuase they were almost certain to get their candidate into the last round.
Remember that Neil Kinnock speech against Militant?
I’ll tell you what happens with impossible promises. You start with far-fetched resolutions. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the years sticking to that, out-dated, mis-placed, irrelevant to the real needs, and you end up in the grotesque chaos of a Labour council, a Labour council, hiring taxis to scuttle round a city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers.
The details of the grotesque chaos will be different, but the principle applies to Conservatives as well.
Starmer should quote this at the next PMQs.
The grotesque chaos of a Tory government, a Tory government, hiring Treasury officials to scuttle round the city handing out unfunded tax cuts to its own hedge fund managers.
Russian proverb: we are born in an open green field, we die in a dark forest
I get that sense at the moment. We are besieged by death, disease, and dire news, on all fronts. Of course part of this is the age of most PB-ers: ailing parents, dying friends, they come with middle age and old age
And yet the world is also FUCKED. The forest closes in
Union dissolution syndrome.
Imagine this. Just imagine.
Some things have nothing whatsoever to do with Scotland’s constitutional status.
A semi skilled politician would have recovered from the special budget by now. Somehow Truss contrives to keep it all going and makes it worse. It’s quite impressive.
The ‘not me gov’ line is almost as damaging as the u turn which itself was almost as bad as the original error.
A semi-skilled politician wouldn't have done the half-a-budget in the first place, they were almost certainly warned that you can't simply announce big tax cuts and say wait several weeks for the numbers.
It is quite simply one of the biggest political own goals I can recall. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Truss and Kwarteng, this is something that is their own damn fault.
Russian proverb: we are born in an open green field, we die in a dark forest
I get that sense at the moment. We are besieged by death, disease, and dire news, on all fronts. Of course part of this is the age of most PB-ers: ailing parents, dying friends, they come with middle age and old age
And yet the world is also FUCKED. The forest closes in
Union dissolution syndrome.
The weird thing is, I had another excellent night tonight. Out in Soho with a funny old friend. It was absolutely FULL of people. On a mild Wednesday in October it was like a hot Saturday in June. Remarkable. I am not sure I have ever seen it so busy on a normal weeknight
Part of this must be the Frieze Art Fair. Which attracts tens of thousands of rich people from around the world, and they are all arty boho types who will flock to Soho, but also London simply feels festive. And opulent. Today was the first time I checked the new revamped area around Denmark St and the north end of Charing X Road. It used to be a pretty sketchy and grimy khazi, now it gleams with huge TV screens and new theatres and glass walls and money
And there are multiple places like this in London (cf Soho House in the Strand which I mentioned last night)
The disconnect between the mouthfeel of actual life and the news menu of despair grows ever wider, as does the disconnect between London and much of the rest of the UK. So much for levelling up
I get politicians are confident and can also be pig headed, but I cannot believe Truss thinks going for a GE right now is anything but the worst thing she could try.
“We’re either dead or a joke” says another Conservative MP, on the prospect of either keeping Liz Truss as PM or removing her just a month after the last leadership contest.
I was thinking that the Conservatives might do best in the longer term if they instigated PR and went to the country. I know it sounds desperate but they really are stuffed.
It's possible that the voters determined to put the Tories out of power (75%+) may vote instead for what they believe because the chance of continuity conservative deconstruction of the economy would be tiny.
PR might shortcut the tactical voted parliament where the Conservatives don't exist and avoid the possibility of everyone deciding to move on without them.
I'm not a Conservative but I do think we should have a plethora of views in Parliament. I'm offering this idea for the good of democracy knowing that they would not do the same for me. (The high ground has a nice view.)
A semi skilled politician would have recovered from the special budget by now. Somehow Truss contrives to keep it all going and makes it worse. It’s quite impressive.
The ‘not me gov’ line is almost as damaging as the u turn which itself was almost as bad as the original error.
A semi-skilled politician wouldn't have done the half-a-budget in the first place, they were almost certainly warned that you can't simply announce big tax cuts and say wait several weeks for the numbers.
It is quite simply one of the biggest politcal own goals I can recall. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Truss and Kwarteng, this is something that is their own damn fault.
This is the bit I don't get. There was no need to do it at all. Just announce the energy support. And a Budget as usual in the Spring.
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
Third time in my adult life I’ve felt that great, irresistible and irreversible sea change in voter sentiment. Once in 1992, after black Wednesday. Again in 2009, albeit more weakly, after the financial crisis. And now in 2022.
This is the true meaning of democracy. You get the sense the public have just sat down and decided it’s time for a change. Time to give the other lot a go. There’s no going back now. Just as in the mid 1990s it’s a weight off the shoulders.
Imagine living in an autocratic regime where that experience is denied you and politics is just frustration and resignation.
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
But would they? Because they'd have a huge amount of cash to strengthen their squad before their first season.
"Do these people actually think they're getting any of this money?"
If someone refuses to pay to court awarded damages in a civil claim could that become a criminal matter (contempt of court) and result in a prison sentence?
A semi skilled politician would have recovered from the special budget by now. Somehow Truss contrives to keep it all going and makes it worse. It’s quite impressive.
The ‘not me gov’ line is almost as damaging as the u turn which itself was almost as bad as the original error.
A semi-skilled politician wouldn't have done the half-a-budget in the first place, they were almost certainly warned that you can't simply announce big tax cuts and say wait several weeks for the numbers.
It is quite simply one of the biggest politcal own goals I can recall. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Truss and Kwarteng, this is something that is their own damn fault.
This is the bit I don't get. There was no need to do it at all. Just announce the energy support. And a Budget as usual in the Spring.
They really thought it would be popular with everyone, wanted to make a mark immediately, and couldn't wait.
Well, she got to make an impression like she wanted at least.
Third time in my adult life I’ve felt that great, irresistible and irreversible sea change in voter sentiment. Once in 1992, after black Wednesday. Again in 2009, albeit more weakly, after the financial crisis. And now in 2022.
This is the true meaning of democracy. You get the sense the public have just sat down and decided it’s time for a change. Time to give the other lot a go. There’s no going back now. Just as in the mid 1990s it’s a weight off the shoulders.
Imagine living in an autocratic regime where that experience is denied you and politics is just frustration and resignation.
Labour has two years to spin the narrative. No rebuttal will be given the time of day. See the it's the BofE's fault. It's a global problem. Etc.
I get politicians are confident and can also be pig headed, but I cannot believe Truss thinks going for a GE right now is anything but the worst thing she could try.
I would worry a bit if she called a GE. Because that somehow makes Putin pressing the nuclear button more credible. It would show that deluded, wilful self destruction is a thing.
It's either an innocent remark it was very unwise to release at such a time for the PM due to how it could be used, or Charles is a secret genius making an uninnocent remark which he can pretend is innocent, or it is open war between PM and monarch.
Actually I heard it as a self-deprecating "You must have a tough life to be delighted to see me".
Which is why I go for explanation 1, it was an innocent remark. But it is very funny in the circumstances.
I get politicians are confident and can also be pig headed, but I cannot believe Truss thinks going for a GE right now is anything but the worst thing she could try.
Calling and (probably) losing a general election is the only dignified exit for Truss from her current predicament.
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
Nonsense. Celtic park is bigger than all but three premier league grounds, a better atmosphere than all except Liverpool, and the premiership is the best supported league in Europe (per capita).
Third time in my adult life I’ve felt that great, irresistible and irreversible sea change in voter sentiment. Once in 1992, after black Wednesday. Again in 2009, albeit more weakly, after the financial crisis. And now in 2022.
This is the true meaning of democracy. You get the sense the public have just sat down and decided it’s time for a change. Time to give the other lot a go. There’s no going back now. Just as in the mid 1990s it’s a weight off the shoulders.
Imagine living in an autocratic regime where that experience is denied you and politics is just frustration and resignation.
Many of us felt like that, being in the EU. "We can never get rid of them, they just go on and on. We don't even have a vote"
A semi skilled politician would have recovered from the special budget by now. Somehow Truss contrives to keep it all going and makes it worse. It’s quite impressive.
The ‘not me gov’ line is almost as damaging as the u turn which itself was almost as bad as the original error.
A semi-skilled politician wouldn't have done the half-a-budget in the first place, they were almost certainly warned that you can't simply announce big tax cuts and say wait several weeks for the numbers.
It is quite simply one of the biggest politcal own goals I can recall. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Truss and Kwarteng, this is something that is their own damn fault.
This is the bit I don't get. There was no need to do it at all. Just announce the energy support. And a Budget as usual in the Spring.
They really thought it would be popular with everyone, wanted to make a mark immediately, and couldn't wait.
Well, she got to make an impression like she wanted at least.
That's the Occam's razor explanation sadly. Must be a huge psychological blow to find that what you've really always wanted to do isn't supported. Even by those who benefit the most.
"Do these people actually think they're getting any of this money?"
If someone refuses to pay to court awarded damages in a civil claim could that become a criminal matter (contempt of court) and result in a prison sentence?
He claims to be nearly bankrupt. I suspect he will never pay.
Third time in my adult life I’ve felt that great, irresistible and irreversible sea change in voter sentiment. Once in 1992, after black Wednesday. Again in 2009, albeit more weakly, after the financial crisis. And now in 2022.
This is the true meaning of democracy. You get the sense the public have just sat down and decided it’s time for a change. Time to give the other lot a go. There’s no going back now. Just as in the mid 1990s it’s a weight off the shoulders.
Imagine living in an autocratic regime where that experience is denied you and politics is just frustration and resignation.
Labour will win the next election there's no doubt about that. Like you say the public have made up their minds.
For Con now it's all about how bad the defeat will be and mitigating the losses as much as possible. Obviously going into a general election with someone that can't even string two coherent sentences together is an interesting plan..
A semi skilled politician would have recovered from the special budget by now. Somehow Truss contrives to keep it all going and makes it worse. It’s quite impressive.
The ‘not me gov’ line is almost as damaging as the u turn which itself was almost as bad as the original error.
A semi-skilled politician wouldn't have done the half-a-budget in the first place, they were almost certainly warned that you can't simply announce big tax cuts and say wait several weeks for the numbers.
It is quite simply one of the biggest politcal own goals I can recall. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Truss and Kwarteng, this is something that is their own damn fault.
This is the bit I don't get. There was no need to do it at all. Just announce the energy support. And a Budget as usual in the Spring.
That’s what happens when dogma overrides common sense.
Extraordinary statement from a Conservative MP who attended the 1922:
“After tonight most Tory MPs accept that our current leader, given the decisions she took with the Fiscal Statement, can never provide the reassurance needed to arrest the loss of market confidence…
I wonder how may letters are in? It doesn't immediately matter if the 22 don't change the rules. But the 22 is a big part of the problem.
Perhaps Conservative MPs need a new iteration of the 22?
The way the 22 set up the contest was shambolic.. Brady needs to go, and whole process needs massive reform. I still can’t figure out how the membership looked at Truss and thought “there’s my election winner!”
I think they believed that they win elections come rain or shine and that, however tough things looked in the opinion polls, swingback and boundary commissions and the God given Tory right to rule would see them through. And then they voted for the loudest dog whistle in the contest.
"Do these people actually think they're getting any of this money?"
If someone refuses to pay to court awarded damages in a civil claim could that become a criminal matter (contempt of court) and result in a prison sentence?
There’s a lot of talk of his sequestering his assets in places where they won’t be subject to the judgment against him. Whether the shell game works, who knows ?
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
But would they? Because they'd have a huge amount of cash to strengthen their squad before their first season.
I think with the massive extra TV cash they'd probably find a level somewhere in the PL.
But I don't think it's the worst thing for them to find that, right now anyway, there are plenty bigger, better, richer football teams out there quite happy to hand them out a humping on a reasonably regular basis, given that that's what the rest of Scottish football has had to take from them for a long long time.
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
But would they? Because they'd have a huge amount of cash to strengthen their squad before their first season.
I believe they’d also earn considerably more in the Championship than they do now. But as everyone knows the superiority of the PL has nothing to do with money.
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
But would they? Because they'd have a huge amount of cash to strengthen their squad before their first season.
It takes years of investment to build a squad. The top Championship teams keep going up and down despite throwing money at recruitment. Sure in the long run you'd expect the Glasgow clubs to reach that level, but one season's money is a drop in the bucket.
Third time in my adult life I’ve felt that great, irresistible and irreversible sea change in voter sentiment. Once in 1992, after black Wednesday. Again in 2009, albeit more weakly, after the financial crisis. And now in 2022.
This is the true meaning of democracy. You get the sense the public have just sat down and decided it’s time for a change. Time to give the other lot a go. There’s no going back now. Just as in the mid 1990s it’s a weight off the shoulders.
Imagine living in an autocratic regime where that experience is denied you and politics is just frustration and resignation.
Many of us felt like that, being in the EU. "We can never get rid of them, they just go on and on. We don't even have a vote"
Hence, Brexit
Do you begin to understand it, yet?
FFS, we did have a vote, the only thing stopping us having one was our own politicians. I actually grudgingly admire Cameron for having the balls to go for it.
Quite distinct from Indyref2, where it is being prevented by an outside force.
"Do these people actually think they're getting any of this money?"
If someone refuses to pay to court awarded damages in a civil claim could that become a criminal matter (contempt of court) and result in a prison sentence?
He claims to be nearly bankrupt. I suspect he will never pay.
Apparently he made $800,000 in just one day. Surely the courts (Marshals?) can hunt that down?
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
"Do these people actually think they're getting any of this money?"
If someone refuses to pay to court awarded damages in a civil claim could that become a criminal matter (contempt of court) and result in a prison sentence?
He claims to be nearly bankrupt. I suspect he will never pay.
He should be rotting in a prison cell hopefully beaten to a pulp on a nightly basis ! What he did to those grieving families was disgusting, utterly inhumane .
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
I think quite likely to be relegated at some point. There needs to be a plan for that.
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
But would they? Because they'd have a huge amount of cash to strengthen their squad before their first season.
It takes years of investment to build a squad. The top Championship teams keep going up and down despite throwing money at recruitment. Sure in the long run you'd expect the Glasgow clubs to reach that level, but one season's money is a drop in the bucket.
Rangers and Celtic are both "bigger" clubs than Man City in terms of tradition and support. The only thing thwarting them is the stupid tiny Scottish league
Let them into the EPL and they would be bought by a trillionaire within weeks
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
Best match I've ever been at was Celtic v. Barca, ten years ago last week. 2 - 1. Both sets of fans were amazing.
"Do these people actually think they're getting any of this money?"
If someone refuses to pay to court awarded damages in a civil claim could that become a criminal matter (contempt of court) and result in a prison sentence?
He claims to be nearly bankrupt. I suspect he will never pay.
He should be rotting in a prison cell hopefully beaten to a pulp on a nightly basis ! What he did to those grieving families was disgusting, utterly inhumane .
I have no sympathy, and hope that he is skint forever. US bankruptcy laws do seem more lenient than ours though.
Does Kemi Badenoch have a path to the leadership if Truss goes?
If it went to the membership again (Kemi Vs Rishi for example) then possibly yes, but if it's a coronation among MPs then probably no (as they will rally around someone more senior like Rishi or Penny IMO)
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
I think quite likely to be relegated at some point. There needs to be a plan for that.
The premiership is just the Scottish championship. Would be roughly the same quality.
Ross County making a surprise push for the premier league title after being bought by the Trump family...
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
But would they? Because they'd have a huge amount of cash to strengthen their squad before their first season.
It takes years of investment to build a squad. The top Championship teams keep going up and down despite throwing money at recruitment. Sure in the long run you'd expect the Glasgow clubs to reach that level, but one season's money is a drop in the bucket.
Rangers and Celtic are both "bigger" clubs than Man City in terms of tradition and support. The only thing thwarting them is the stupid tiny Scottish league
Let them into the EPL and they would be bought by a trillionaire within weeks
They would lose the guaranteed European football though.
Does Kemi Badenoch have a path to the leadership if Truss goes?
If it went to the membership again (Kemi Vs Rishi for example) then possibly yes, but if it's a coronation among MPs then probably no (as they will rally around someone more senior like Rishi or Penny IMO)
If it's a coronation I hope members rip up their membership cards. Someone else can deliver the leaflets.
Does Kemi Badenoch have a path to the leadership if Truss goes?
If it went to the membership again (Kemi Vs Rishi for example) then possibly yes, but if it's a coronation among MPs then probably no (as they will rally around someone more senior like Rishi or Penny IMO)
I think the membership is suitably chastened and would pick someone electable, but I could be wrong.
I was thinking that the Conservatives might do best in the longer term if they instigated PR and went to the country. I know it sounds desperate but they really are stuffed.
It's possible that the voters determined to put the Tories out of power (75%+) may vote instead for what they believe because the chance of continuity conservative deconstruction of the economy would be tiny.
PR might shortcut the tactical voted parliament where the Conservatives don't exist and avoid the possibility of everyone deciding to move on without them.
I'm not a Conservative but I do think we should have a plethora of views in Parliament. I'm offering this idea for the good of democracy knowing that they would not do the same for me. (The high ground has a nice view.)
Also with PR ReformUK would probably get 5% of seats, possibly more.
I think the membership is suitably chastened and would pick someone electable, but I could be wrong.
I wish MPs would just accept that members wanted to Truss. We don’t want another GE, we don’t want another leadership election - we just want you to get on with the job https://twitter.com/Liv_Lever/status/1580267296861585409
Tory MPs with huge majorities today saying they think they’ll lose their seat. They’re getting restless and impatient - more despair with every poll. Some have adopted a f**k it attitude and are sharing unfiltered thoughts cause they think nothing to lose https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1580310611061542913
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
I think quite likely to be relegated at some point. There needs to be a plan for that.
AIUI the only thing stopping the merging of the English and Scottish leagues is the fear that FIFA would then say: Well there must be a British national football team, not four different teams
The EPL should leverage its notable power to stop a club Super League (a concept which is hated by FIFA and UEFA) and say: the price for us maintaining that opposition is: we need to merge English and Scottish club football, but we get to keep England/Scotland as separate FIFA sides
UK football is already uniquely constituted within football, anyway, so this would be just another quirk
It would mean a lot of Scottish clubs would go to very low British "divisions", but on the whole Scottish football would benefit tremendously. Esp Rangers and Celtic
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
I think quite likely to be relegated at some point. There needs to be a plan for that.
Welsh clubs have played in the EPL and have been relegated before.
A stunning intervention from The National, which will no doubt be enjoyed by its solitary remaining reader
Quite a few PBTories and Unionists seem to subscribe to it.
Or are triggered by mention of it.
The only reason it even exists is tthat the owners made the disastrous mistake of doing a Neil with the Herald and shifting it from middle of the road fairly balanced to near full-on Britnat and lost half their readers, so had to do something to try and get some of them back.
The National doesn't officially report its circulation, perhaps because it is too low to measure. But it is rumoured to be around 6,000. Astonishingly small. It is about as widely read as The Skibbereen Eagle, and similarly self-important
For those ignorant of the County Cork newspaper industry, Leon's joke is even more cutting than it appears. The Skibbereen Eagle folded many years ago, to be absorbed by the other Skibbereen-based newspaper, the Southern Star, which claims a weekly readership of 50,000 and the title of best-selling newspaper in County Cork.
I think the membership is suitably chastened and would pick someone electable, but I could be wrong.
I wish MPs would just accept that members wanted to Truss. We don’t want another GE, we don’t want another leadership election - we just want you to get on with the job https://twitter.com/Liv_Lever/status/1580267296861585409
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
I think quite likely to be relegated at some point. There needs to be a plan for that.
AIUI the only thing stopping the merging of the English and Scottish leagues is the fear that FIFA would then say: Well there must be a British national football team, not four different teams
The EPL should leverage its notable power to stop a club Super League (a concept which is hated by FIFA and UEFA) and say: the price for us maintaining that opposition is: we need to merge English and Scottish club football, but we get to keep England/Scotland as separate FIFA sides
UK football is already uniquely constituted within football, anyway, so this would be just another quirk
It would mean a lot of Scottish clubs would go to very low British "divisions", but on the whole Scottish football would benefit tremendously. Esp Rangers and Celtic
Can’t see this going down at all well. Is it a Liz Truss policy?
Does Kemi Badenoch have a path to the leadership if Truss goes?
Potentially good choice for opposition. Not a safe pair of hands to stabilise government.
Yeah, I think Kemi needs a few years as LOTO. Up against dreary PM SKS she'll do well (and she'll be able to quietly ditch the culture wars stuff too)
For Kemi's POV it would probably be better for her for Liz to stick around until the election disaster and then she (Kemi) can take over... If they go for Penny lets say and she manages to keep Con losses to a minimum she'll deserve to be able to stick around as LOTO and maybe have another crack at an election in a few years.
But on the other hand if Liz sticks around Kemi might not have much of a party left to take over lol.
Does Kemi Badenoch have a path to the leadership if Truss goes?
Potentially good choice for opposition. Not a safe pair of hands to stabilise government.
She doesn't have a radical fiscal agenda, so there's no reason she wouldn't be a suitable candidate if they're looking beyond the ex-PMs of Johnson and May.
The political situation is astonishing when you consider the current composition of the House of Commons, with Labour on less than 200 seats (following the suspensions of people like the MP for Leicester East).
The Old Firm in the Champions League are finding out what it's like generally to be a non-Old Firm team in the Scottish Premiership.
People sometimes opine that Rangers and Celtic would be good additions to the Premier League, in reality they'd almost certainly end up in the Championship within a season or two.
They would earn significantly more in the Championship, and even in League 2, than the pittance the SFA and SPFL have negotiated for Scottish football. With crowds of around 50,000 each week, they would probably be relegated to the Championship, but would soon return to the Premiership, where they would eventually settle as mid table teams. Scottish football would be more competitive and better without them.
I'd love Celtic and Rangers in the EPL (we can call it the BPL)
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
I think quite likely to be relegated at some point. There needs to be a plan for that.
Welsh clubs have played in the EPL and have been relegated before.
Exactly so. Celtic would have to be willing to play a wet Tuesday in Stoke.
Personally, I would like to see Celtic and Rangers remain in the Scottish League. English clubs can play them in the European cups from time to time.
Does Kemi Badenoch have a path to the leadership if Truss goes?
If it went to the membership again (Kemi Vs Rishi for example) then possibly yes, but if it's a coronation among MPs then probably no (as they will rally around someone more senior like Rishi or Penny IMO)
I think the membership is suitably chastened and would pick someone electable, but I could be wrong.
The Tories have been in power for 12 years, the membership want more rightwing policies to show for it. They would likely prefer a more rightwing agenda in opposition than a move back to the centre which still likely leads to defeat anyway even if saving a few seats
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The grotesque chaos of a Tory government, a Tory government, hiring Treasury officials to scuttle round the city handing out unfunded tax cuts to its own hedge fund managers.
This comment from half-time on BBC is quite funny:
'Liverpool there for the taking'
Steven Thompson
Former Rangers striker on BBC Sportsound
A point would be brilliant for Rangers, a fantastic result, but Liverpool are there for the taking.
Some things have nothing whatsoever to do with Scotland’s constitutional status.
Have I blown your mind?
It is quite simply one of the biggest political own goals I can recall. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Truss and Kwarteng, this is something that is their own damn fault.
Part of this must be the Frieze Art Fair. Which attracts tens of thousands of rich people from around the world, and they are all arty boho types who will flock to Soho, but also London simply feels festive. And opulent. Today was the first time I checked the new revamped area around Denmark St and the north end of Charing X Road. It used to be a pretty sketchy and grimy khazi, now it gleams with huge TV screens and new theatres and glass walls and money
And there are multiple places like this in London (cf Soho House in the Strand which I mentioned last night)
The disconnect between the mouthfeel of actual life and the news menu of despair grows ever wider, as does the disconnect between London and much of the rest of the UK. So much for levelling up
I get politicians are confident and can also be pig headed, but I cannot believe Truss thinks going for a GE right now is anything but the worst thing she could try.
“So bleak”.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1580303602257534976
It's possible that the voters determined to put the Tories out of power (75%+) may vote instead for what they believe because the chance of continuity conservative deconstruction of the economy would be tiny.
PR might shortcut the tactical voted parliament where the Conservatives don't exist and avoid the possibility of everyone deciding to move on without them.
I'm not a Conservative but I do think we should have a plethora of views in Parliament. I'm offering this idea for the good of democracy knowing that they would not do the same for me. (The high ground has a nice view.)
https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1580285490334310401
As the jury reads the damages and the Sandy Hook parents weep, Alex Jones is on his broadcast, laughing and assuring his audience that he won't actually be paying any of this money.
"Do these people actually think they're getting any of this money?"
And a Budget as usual in the Spring.
But the people who made him and fund him are almost worse. He's a horrible grifter, they choose to back him.
Bin Lizzy?
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/liz-truss-1922-committee-showdown_uk_63470b22e4b0b7f89f52758c
This is the true meaning of democracy. You get the sense the public have just sat down and decided it’s time for a change. Time to give the other lot a go. There’s no going back now. Just as in the mid 1990s it’s a weight off the shoulders.
Imagine living in an autocratic regime where that experience is denied you and politics is just frustration and resignation.
Because they'd have a huge amount of cash to strengthen their squad before their first season.
Well, she got to make an impression like she wanted at least.
A senior Tory MP who attended 1922 said the PM "should never be trusted" with a financial statement again
"It's a bit like asking the gas engineer who has just blown up your house to come back and have another go"
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/liz-truss-in-battle-to-save-leadership-amid-tory-backbench-fury
No rebuttal will be given the time of day. See the it's the BofE's fault. It's a global problem. Etc.
Rangers beat Dortmund last season.
Hence, Brexit
Do you begin to understand it, yet?
Must be a huge psychological blow to find that what you've really always wanted to do isn't supported. Even by those who benefit the most.
For Con now it's all about how bad the defeat will be and mitigating the losses as much as possible. Obviously going into a general election with someone that can't even string two coherent sentences together is an interesting plan..
I can't think of any other reason for it?
Whether the shell game works, who knows ?
There’s also the offence of criminal bankruptcy.
Before Brexit, we could vote him out.
Now, we are stuck with him forever
But I don't think it's the worst thing for them to find that, right now anyway, there are plenty bigger, better, richer football teams out there quite happy to hand them out a humping on a reasonably regular basis, given that that's what the rest of Scottish football has had to take from them for a long long time.
Quite distinct from Indyref2, where it is being prevented by an outside force.
She wont make xmas. But she will win a VONC next week.
They have amazing passionate fans (OK they can get a bit punchy, but so can the English). Their support is fervent and their singing is brilliant. They have all the necessary traditions and big epic grounds. I am pretty sure that after a few years of EPL money they would be competing at the top, adding to the list of six or seven possible winners, and broadening the appeal of the league even more. One or both would be bought by some billionaire
It is a damn shame it cannot happen, as things stands
Depends if Sunak tries, and if not, where his many MP supporters go
I’m trying to re-run a leadership race with Gove instead of Sunak and see who has ‘the Big Mo’
My next blood donation is scheduled for Monday 24th. Better not miss it given the shortage of donors at the moment.
Let them into the EPL and they would be bought by a trillionaire within weeks
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I mean, look at this. Who in Government says "I know. Let's try and trash the OBR. That'll reassure the markets".
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1580308053932449793
Ross County making a surprise push for the premier league title after being bought by the Trump family...
https://twitter.com/Liv_Lever/status/1580267296861585409
https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1580310611061542913
The EPL should leverage its notable power to stop a club Super League (a concept which is hated by FIFA and UEFA) and say: the price for us maintaining that opposition is: we need to merge English and Scottish club football, but we get to keep England/Scotland as separate FIFA sides
UK football is already uniquely constituted within football, anyway, so this would be just another quirk
It would mean a lot of Scottish clubs would go to very low British "divisions", but on the whole Scottish football would benefit tremendously. Esp Rangers and Celtic
No mandate. No consent
For Kemi's POV it would probably be better for her for Liz to stick around until the election disaster and then she (Kemi) can take over... If they go for Penny lets say and she manages to keep Con losses to a minimum she'll deserve to be able to stick around as LOTO and maybe have another crack at an election in a few years.
But on the other hand if Liz sticks around Kemi might not have much of a party left to take over lol.
Other advisers say why the heck would you think unfunded cuts were ever credible?
Con 356
Lab 198
https://members.parliament.uk/parties/Commons
Nowt to do with Brexit.
Personally, I would like to see Celtic and Rangers remain in the Scottish League. English clubs can play them in the European cups from time to time.