1. America openly vows - if Russia invades Ukraine - to cut Nordstream2 for good, "one way or another" - either by getting Germany to close it down or by "another way". Biden repeats this threat later. Explicitly. Standing next to the German Chancellor
2. Nordstream 2 is "suspended"
3. Russia invades Ukraine
4. Calls grow in Germany, from senior politicians, to open Nordstream2, a move seen as benefiting Putin, financially and strategically
5. Boom. Nordstream2 is cut for good, one way or another. Fuck, who did that?
4 is simply not true.
There was one speech, by one politician, with the express purpose of filling the storage up ahead of the winter, so as to reduce Germany's dependence on imported gas over the winter.
no more than they deserve..when my dad said hes not voting tory again i knew they were screwed
Given the reaction of died-in-the-wool Tory voters here to the antics of the Truss adminstration so far, I guess these poll results are not surprising. But even so, surely Tory MPs are going to have to act? Are they really going to keep holding on, Micawber like, hoping things will get better?
That poll seems to be one of those where huge anger translates into a really wow moment . I think the Tories will recover quite a lot of that as long as there’s no more turmoil . But still it does show what a ckusterfxck Truss and Kwarteng have made over the last week.
fwiw im having trouble accessing a savings account today when i only logged into it last week....just wonder if people are starting to panic and withdraw their saving from banks
My sister sincerely asked the Fam is she should stockpile, this morning
On Wednesday there were gaps on the shelves so either people are already stockpiling, or supermarkets are preparing for Christmas. Or something else.
Very similar in Camden Marks and Spencers. Has been for the last week or so. Suddenly empty shelves. eg No chicken at all, or almost no greens
Like very early Covid. What's going on?
I would hazard a guess that the October energy price rise + general malaise at the moment has made people think “Better buy things now whilst I’ve still got money”, whether that be Christmas things or more generally
ok well onto my savings account....normally when i log in they send me a verification code by sms...this time tried three times..no verification code...phoned them....was on hold for an hour....when they answered they said the verification codes had been sent....i dont believe them,,,anyway then i finally got access to my account.....guy was saying how busy they are.....my guess is people are panicking and withdrawing savings and the company is desperately trying to slow the tide by using the aforementioned tricks....anyway my money is all out now and will be heading offshore
Not a bad attempt to try and sow fear and panic but I don’t think you will start a run on banks by posting this sort of crap on here.
im doing whats best for my own funds...what you do is your own decision...maybe you dont have savings so have less to lose
Maybe, or maybe I’ve worked in the finance industry offshore for 25 years and understand that it’s tied inextricably to the health of onshore financial markets and banks so unlikely to protect in all cases.
I also understand that you can’t just open offshore accounts very easily and quickly anymore unless in a crap jurisdiction which also brings its risks.
But keep up the good work.
rubbish i have several us dollar accounts already open....they were opened a while ago mind...just a matter of moving the funds
If anyone is particularly concerned about the value of the pound, or even the pound collapsing, it is very easy to set up an account on Bitstamp or Gemini (two of the oldest and most conservative crypto exchanges) and buy dollars in the form of the USDC stablecoin, pegged to the dollar at $1. USDC isn't a fly-by-night cryptocurrency, it's a financial instrument used to trade in and out of cryptocurrencies and backed by Blackrock and Fidelity, amongst others.
I'd say you could set up an account, go through KYC verification, transfer your entire bank balance and convert it to USDC within 24 hours.
DYOR, obviously, but to the technophobes amongst you what I am suggesting is very different to "buying crypto", it is more "buying and holding an asset backed by paper investments (much as any bank will do) where 1 USDC = $1."
Wow! Do not do this!
+1 completely agreed. 💯
USDC != USD. Stablecoins are anything but stable and no form of crypto is a stable "investment".
++1.
Every “stable coin” is suspect. I wouldn’t trust any of them.
If you want short term $ exposure, go to your broker and buy a into a $-denominated money market fund.
Vanguard does one (ticker VMFXX I think), BlackRock too.
These funds publish their holdings on a regular basis (daily?) and are audited by real auditors. You can’t say that about any of the soi-disant “stable coins”.
If you are any kind of prepper, physical gold, canned goods, assault rifles in the makers grease are the way to go. Don’t forget the ammo…
For a start it's a pre-emptive warning to Putin by the USA: "we too are prepared to do crazy or violent things, so you bluff won't work, we will also go to the brink and maybe beyond"
In fact this fits perfectly with Deterrence Theory. You should EXPECT America to do something like this, and so they have done it
There are several potential benificiaries:
- Gazprom, because it gets them off the hook for 10s of billions in damages - Putin, because it means that the oligarchs can't bump him off and go back to normal - Norway, because it means they will get even more from their pipeline
But I'm not sure that the US is that much of a beneficiary. I would have thought Biden would like slightly less US natural gas to go to Europe, so that prices in the US could come down somewhat.
Yes, plausible, tho I am unconvinced by the Gazprom thing. We are close to WW3, I don't think oil & gas company profits are that important
How might Washington benefit from cutting the pipe? This links to that CIA interview. The American establishment is "terrified" of Putin going nuclear, he says. Those are his words not mine. So they are clearly taking it super seriously in the USA
In that light they need to tell Putin quite dramatically that if it comes to it America can hurt Russia in multiple ways without actually lobbing missiles. America can cut Russia's gas exports, and cripple its economy, just by blowing up a pipeline. Et voila
On the one hand this means Americans picture Putin saying "damn, I was going to use a nuclear weapon but Biden might cut off the gas supply to western Europe if I do, so I'd better not"
On the other it means Biden said, "what the hell, this might destroy the unity of the western countries, and destroy whatever moral high ground we have with neutrals, in order to "scare" Putin by closing a pipe he's already closed. Let's go for it!"
Except that Biden said he would do exactly this. Cut the pipeline. Without asking Germany
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
"Reopen Nord Stream 2 to ease our energy crisis, senior German politician urges Remarks over halted pipeline project have been criticised for 'strengthening Russia's false narratives'"
A senior figure within one of Germany's ruling parties has said the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with Russia should be reopened, in a sign of an emerging rift over energy supplies as winter approaches.
"We should open Nord Stream 2 as soon as possible to fill our gas storage facilities for the winter," Wolfgang Kubicki, deputy head of the FDP, told Germany’s RND news group on Friday.
Opening the pipeline would help people stay warm in the winter and protect German industry, said Mr Kubicki, whose party is the junior coalition partner to the SPD and the Greens."
Oh, wait, no, you can't do that, because America just blew it up. Soz, Germany
Well, firstly that article is from over a month ago, when German gas storage levels were much lower.
Secondly, you're choosing to ignore the fact that Germany's actual leader - Olaf Schultz - has become a *lot* more hawkish. He's now demanding that Russia withdraw from all of occupied Ukraine, while before he was much more icky on the issue of Crimea.
As that article shows, reopening Nordstream2 - or just the idea if reopening it - was seen as helping Putin
Why then would Putin permanently destroy this pipeline, if he's got senior German politicians wanting to reopen it and pay him for gas? Increasing Russia's leverage?
It's not a slam dunk but if you ask Cui Bono from the sabotage, the answer is: the USA (and Ukraine), not Putin
And America expressly said they would do this!
Like I say, not proven yet, but dismissing this plausible scenario as a "mad Trumpite fantasy", as some do, is really quite bizarre
That's simply not true. There's plenty of cui bono for Putin.
In particular it means closing off the route for him to be bumped off and for things to go back to normal. See - he can say to the oligarchs - there is no normal to return to.
Imposing a peace settlement onto Ukraine because of threats from Ru would not be a simple matter. Obviously US is critical but Poland and Baltic states and others are really committed. Even if NATO acted as one, unofficial hostilities would be bound to continue and I think Russia is fundamentally destabilised now no matter what happens. An imposed ceasefire could destabilise Ukraine as well.
That should focus the minds of all Tory MPs. Act now unless you want complete annihilation.
the only thing tory mps understand is their own self interest...they certainly couldnt give a toss about the country
Total partisan rubbish. You obviously have never met any MPs. MPs of all parties more than "give a toss" about the country, and Tory MPs no less than any others.
She just comes right out and says it. Tells Russia what will happen. "One way or another" - which clearly means either we get Germany to cancel it and permanently close it down, or we will blow the fucker up
How can this be an extreme alt-right conspiracy theory when you have this evidence right in front of you? Bewildering
What isn't bewildering (because it's Leon) is that you haven't noticed that Nordstream 2 didn't move on because Germany halted it on February 22nd in response to Russia recognising the breakaway republics.
Not only that but even Nordstream 1 hasn't been operating for a month because Russia stopped it. You don't seem to have even noticed that it is Russian policy to cut off gas supplies to western europe.
If Nordstream 2 had started operating after the invasion, and then got sabotaged, then you might have a point. Your attempts to invent a plausible motive for the US to do something so reckless are completely unconvincing
This is a bit naive. The US has a clear interest in putting the pipeline beyond use and their national security community has been going on about this issue for years. They're also not unknown to use hard power in dealings with allies.
At this point I don't think it's correct to call this a 'conspiracy theory' because there isn't an official version of what happened yet. All we know is that the pipeline was destroyed and that it was almost certainly done by a state actor. Perhaps more information will come into the public domain that will clarify how it was done.
I think it's fair to call it "not very credible", as Russia has suitable submarines in the Baltic, and to get the 8-9000 tonne American ones that could do the job through the Kattegat and the shallow, narrow passages through the Danish islands would be quite difficult to do secretly or require Scandinavian cooperation, neither of which is very likely imo.
You don't need a 9000 tonne submarine to do it. As it happens, the US had divers from the Naval Undersea Warfare Center conducting experiments in the location where the pipeline was blown this summer.
But the Labour Party have only just had their conference, and the PB wise men say that you cannot believe opinion polls too much that close to a conference.
The Conservatives are holding theirs very soon now, and surely that will also have an effect.
The Lib Dems, of course, had theirs cancelled.
So the extrapolation of seat numbers is almost certainly distorted. Labour need to promote the introduction of PR now if they want to head the next government.
For a start it's a pre-emptive warning to Putin by the USA: "we too are prepared to do crazy or violent things, so you bluff won't work, we will also go to the brink and maybe beyond"
In fact this fits perfectly with Deterrence Theory. You should EXPECT America to do something like this, and so they have done it
There are several potential benificiaries:
- Gazprom, because it gets them off the hook for 10s of billions in damages - Putin, because it means that the oligarchs can't bump him off and go back to normal - Norway, because it means they will get even more from their pipeline
But I'm not sure that the US is that much of a beneficiary. I would have thought Biden would like slightly less US natural gas to go to Europe, so that prices in the US could come down somewhat.
Yes, plausible, tho I am unconvinced by the Gazprom thing. We are close to WW3, I don't think oil & gas company profits are that important
How might Washington benefit from cutting the pipe? This links to that CIA interview. The American establishment is "terrified" of Putin going nuclear, he says. Those are his words not mine. So they are clearly taking it super seriously in the USA
In that light they need to tell Putin quite dramatically that if it comes to it America can hurt Russia in multiple ways without actually lobbing missiles. America can cut Russia's gas exports, and cripple its economy, just by blowing up a pipeline. Et voila
On the one hand this means Americans picture Putin saying "damn, I was going to use a nuclear weapon but Biden might cut off the gas supply to western Europe if I do, so I'd better not"
On the other it means Biden said, "what the hell, this might destroy the unity of the western countries, and destroy whatever moral high ground we have with neutrals, in order to "scare" Putin by closing a pipe he's already closed. Let's go for it!"
Except that Biden said he would do exactly this. Cut the pipeline. Without asking Germany
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
"Reopen Nord Stream 2 to ease our energy crisis, senior German politician urges Remarks over halted pipeline project have been criticised for 'strengthening Russia's false narratives'"
A senior figure within one of Germany's ruling parties has said the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with Russia should be reopened, in a sign of an emerging rift over energy supplies as winter approaches.
"We should open Nord Stream 2 as soon as possible to fill our gas storage facilities for the winter," Wolfgang Kubicki, deputy head of the FDP, told Germany’s RND news group on Friday.
Opening the pipeline would help people stay warm in the winter and protect German industry, said Mr Kubicki, whose party is the junior coalition partner to the SPD and the Greens."
Oh, wait, no, you can't do that, because America just blew it up. Soz, Germany
Well, firstly that article is from over a month ago, when German gas storage levels were much lower.
Secondly, you're choosing to ignore the fact that Germany's actual leader - Olaf Schultz - has become a *lot* more hawkish. He's now demanding that Russia withdraw from all of occupied Ukraine, while before he was much more icky on the issue of Crimea.
If you were the CIA, would you take the political stability of Germany for granted? In the latest YouGov poll, the SPD is now only 2% above the AfD.
Eh?
If you were the CIA would you risk massive backlash against the US in a key ally by blowing up some of their infrasructure?
Leon's answer to that is even if that were the case and it became public, no one would admit it - as he told us earlier today.
That should focus the minds of all Tory MPs. Act now unless you want complete annihilation.
the only thing tory mps understand is their own self interest...they certainly couldnt give a toss about the country
Total partisan rubbish. You obviously have never met any MPs. MPs of all parties more than "give a toss" about the country, and Tory MPs no less than any others.
i do actually know 2 tory mps from when i was at university with them....out of all the conservatives at university they were the most venal and crooked of all....thats the type who get to be tory mps
It's such a ridiculous, comical number for a lead, like elections as a toytown games set, that's it's almost relaxing and amusing after the last few days.
Surely that's never been matched in a UK-wide poll ? And why is the poll earlier today so much more "regular" - earlier fieldwork ?
Why is Truss trying to suggest the markets didn’t like the energy help. The energy cap was announced before the Queens death and was not the issue behind the pound drama which was in relation to last Friday’s announcement.
Because the detail of how it’s to be paid for was not confirmed until last Friday.
Is the penny dropping on some of you now then? No ifs no butts, The Goat needs a hair cut.
I’ve been saying it all week, and taking far too much flak. PB. Are. A. Disgrace. (sometimes)
Keep dreaming - there was nothing wrong with the energy cap - all of europe is doing the same and its been built into the market for weeks.
The issue was additional tax cuts beyond the energy cap with no justification for them. Remember if the same theory hasn't worked for the past 12 years no-one is going to believe that this time round low corporation tax really, really will generate investment in productivity.
“Keep dreaming - there was nothing wrong with the energy cap - all of europe is doing the same and its been built into the market for weeks.”
Is that what you believe? Then you should provide some evidence to support it easy enough shouldn’t you?
I want evidence everyone else in Europe is borrowing a quarter of a trillion to freeze their energy bills for everybody, “just the same” as you put it.
And I want evidence from you it’s been built into the market for weeks. What detail about cost and payment mechanism has the Uk shared before Queens death and during mourning, they fobbed the whole world off as far as Kwasi’s budget is the truth.
Goat makes up 88.04% the cost of the shopping basket we tried to check out, but had our credit declined. With goat at 88.04% why do you think credit was declined? Additional tax cuts the root cause of the credit declined?
You need to rethink this one 🙂
Truss is wrong, being utterly disingenuous. Yes we needed some sort of bovidae but this shaggy goat is all wrong, it’s needs to be smaller, less hairy, with smaller long term costs and better targeted in what it does. The irony here is Truss forced into cutting the goats hair by markets, goes down in history books for switching to a much sounder policy.
Here’s the kicker. Labour are being disgustingly disingenuous about this all week as well, spouting the same thoughtless rubbish as you just did Eek, trying to make out its nothing to do with the energy bill package, its problem simply the tax cutting ribbons wrapped round it - don’t listen to Labour saying that, the truth is nearly opposite of that. Yes Kwasi an idiot for wrapping tax cuts like ribbons around the energy bills package, and the entire British media pathetically useless for not explaining these truths to the nation as well as I have been explaining on PB all week.
Come and join my position when you are ready, in your own time. But you are running out of time before the UK government starts shaving the goat, which means you’re too slow,
For a start it's a pre-emptive warning to Putin by the USA: "we too are prepared to do crazy or violent things, so you bluff won't work, we will also go to the brink and maybe beyond"
In fact this fits perfectly with Deterrence Theory. You should EXPECT America to do something like this, and so they have done it
There are several potential benificiaries:
- Gazprom, because it gets them off the hook for 10s of billions in damages - Putin, because it means that the oligarchs can't bump him off and go back to normal - Norway, because it means they will get even more from their pipeline
But I'm not sure that the US is that much of a beneficiary. I would have thought Biden would like slightly less US natural gas to go to Europe, so that prices in the US could come down somewhat.
Yes, plausible, tho I am unconvinced by the Gazprom thing. We are close to WW3, I don't think oil & gas company profits are that important
How might Washington benefit from cutting the pipe? This links to that CIA interview. The American establishment is "terrified" of Putin going nuclear, he says. Those are his words not mine. So they are clearly taking it super seriously in the USA
In that light they need to tell Putin quite dramatically that if it comes to it America can hurt Russia in multiple ways without actually lobbing missiles. America can cut Russia's gas exports, and cripple its economy, just by blowing up a pipeline. Et voila
On the one hand this means Americans picture Putin saying "damn, I was going to use a nuclear weapon but Biden might cut off the gas supply to western Europe if I do, so I'd better not"
On the other it means Biden said, "what the hell, this might destroy the unity of the western countries, and destroy whatever moral high ground we have with neutrals, in order to "scare" Putin by closing a pipe he's already closed. Let's go for it!"
Except that Biden said he would do exactly this. Cut the pipeline. Without asking Germany
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
"Reopen Nord Stream 2 to ease our energy crisis, senior German politician urges Remarks over halted pipeline project have been criticised for 'strengthening Russia's false narratives'"
A senior figure within one of Germany's ruling parties has said the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with Russia should be reopened, in a sign of an emerging rift over energy supplies as winter approaches.
"We should open Nord Stream 2 as soon as possible to fill our gas storage facilities for the winter," Wolfgang Kubicki, deputy head of the FDP, told Germany’s RND news group on Friday.
Opening the pipeline would help people stay warm in the winter and protect German industry, said Mr Kubicki, whose party is the junior coalition partner to the SPD and the Greens."
Oh, wait, no, you can't do that, because America just blew it up. Soz, Germany
Well, firstly that article is from over a month ago, when German gas storage levels were much lower.
Secondly, you're choosing to ignore the fact that Germany's actual leader - Olaf Schultz - has become a *lot* more hawkish. He's now demanding that Russia withdraw from all of occupied Ukraine, while before he was much more icky on the issue of Crimea.
If you were the CIA, would you take the political stability of Germany for granted? In the latest YouGov poll, the SPD is now only 2% above the AfD.
Eh?
If you were the CIA would you risk massive backlash against the US in a key ally by blowing up some of their infrasructure?
Leon's answer to that is even if that were the case and it became public, no one would admit it - as he told us earlier today.
I think that's true, tho, don't you? Would the Germans openly accuse America, as we confront Putin? Can't see it
BTW I say again I do not believe this is very very probable, as I do with Lab Leak, I am just nobly trying to battle the site's determination to see this as a mad conspiracy theory. It really is not. It's highly "possible"
She just comes right out and says it. Tells Russia what will happen. "One way or another" - which clearly means either we get Germany to cancel it and permanently close it down, or we will blow the fucker up
How can this be an extreme alt-right conspiracy theory when you have this evidence right in front of you? Bewildering
What isn't bewildering (because it's Leon) is that you haven't noticed that Nordstream 2 didn't move on because Germany halted it on February 22nd in response to Russia recognising the breakaway republics.
Not only that but even Nordstream 1 hasn't been operating for a month because Russia stopped it. You don't seem to have even noticed that it is Russian policy to cut off gas supplies to western europe.
If Nordstream 2 had started operating after the invasion, and then got sabotaged, then you might have a point. Your attempts to invent a plausible motive for the US to do something so reckless are completely unconvincing
This is a bit naive. The US has a clear interest in putting the pipeline beyond use and their national security community has been going on about this issue for years. They're also not unknown to use hard power in dealings with allies.
At this point I don't think it's correct to call this a 'conspiracy theory' because there isn't an official version of what happened yet. All we know is that the pipeline was destroyed and that it was almost certainly done by a state actor. Perhaps more information will come into the public domain that will clarify how it was done.
I think it's fair to call it "not very credible", as Russia has suitable submarines in the Baltic, and to get the 8-9000 tonne American ones that could do the job through the Kattegat and the shallow, narrow passages through the Danish islands would be quite difficult to do secretly or require Scandinavian cooperation, neither of which is very likely imo.
The Americans did a large yet secretive military maneuver in the Baltic in June
Why is Truss trying to suggest the markets didn’t like the energy help. The energy cap was announced before the Queens death and was not the issue behind the pound drama which was in relation to last Friday’s announcement.
Because the detail of how it’s to be paid for was not confirmed until last Friday.
Is the penny dropping on some of you now then? No ifs no butts, The Goat needs a hair cut.
I’ve been saying it all week, and taking far too much flak. PB. Are. A. Disgrace. (sometimes)
Keep dreaming - there was nothing wrong with the energy cap - all of europe is doing the same and its been built into the market for weeks.
The issue was additional tax cuts beyond the energy cap with no justification for them. Remember if the same theory hasn't worked for the past 12 years no-one is going to believe that this time round low corporation tax really, really will generate investment in productivity.
“Keep dreaming - there was nothing wrong with the energy cap - all of europe is doing the same and its been built into the market for weeks.”
Is that what you believe? Then you should provide some evidence to support it easy enough shouldn’t you?
I want evidence everyone else in Europe is borrowing a quarter of a trillion to freeze their energy bills for everybody, “just the same” as you put it.
And I want evidence from you it’s been built into the market for weeks. What detail about cost and payment mechanism has the Uk shared before Queens death and during mourning, they fobbed the whole world off as far as Kwasi’s budget is the truth.
Goat makes up 88.04% the cost of the shopping basket we tried to check out, but had our credit declined. With goat at 88.04% why do you think credit was declined? Additional tax cuts the root cause of the credit declined?
You need to rethink this one 🙂
Truss is wrong, being utterly disingenuous. Yes we needed some sort of bovidae but this shaggy goat is all wrong, it’s needs to be smaller, less hairy, with smaller long term costs and better targeted in what it does. The irony here is Truss forced into cutting the goats hair by markets, goes down in history books for switching to a much sounder policy.
Here’s the kicker. Labour are being disgustingly disingenuous about this all week as well, spouting the same thoughtless rubbish as you just did Eek, trying to make out its nothing to do with the energy bill package, its problem simply the tax cutting ribbons wrapped round it - don’t listen to Labour saying that, the truth is nearly opposite of that. Yes Kwasi an idiot for wrapping tax cuts like ribbons around the energy bills package, and the entire British media pathetically useless for not explaining these truths to the nation as well as I have been explaining on PB all week.
Come and join my position when you are ready, in your own time. But you are running out of time before the UK government starts shaving the goat, which means you’re too slow,
All I'm seeing in your gibberish is someone who hasn't got the first clue what is going on..
I expect this poll lead will never be seen again during this parliament and the Tories will recover quite a lot . But the question now is whether something changed regarding a section of voters who will now never vote Tory whilst Truss and Kwarteng remain .
I mean i think theres an element of polling modelling shattering due to knee jerk shock this week but wow The Tories need to act immedately and decisively.
That should focus the minds of all Tory MPs. Act now unless you want complete annihilation.
the only thing tory mps understand is their own self interest...they certainly couldnt give a toss about the country
Total partisan rubbish. You obviously have never met any MPs. MPs of all parties more than "give a toss" about the country, and Tory MPs no less than any others.
i do actually know 2 tory mps from when i was at university with them....out of all the conservatives at university they were the most venal and crooked of all....thats the type who get to be tory mps
Yea right, of course you did. Excuse me, I must pay attention to that formation of flying pigs that has just buzzed past my window.
What an absolute mess. Maybe a GE is the only option, but the Tories won't allow it because: suicide
I don't think they can change leaders again without the pressure for a GE becoming unbearable, the fissures in the Tory party exploding and the party's reputation with the public being utterly trashed. There are no good outcomes for them now. 🎻
Why is Truss trying to suggest the markets didn’t like the energy help. The energy cap was announced before the Queens death and was not the issue behind the pound drama which was in relation to last Friday’s announcement.
Because the detail of how it’s to be paid for was not confirmed until last Friday.
Is the penny dropping on some of you now then? No ifs no butts, The Goat needs a hair cut.
I’ve been saying it all week, and taking far too much flak. PB. Are. A. Disgrace. (sometimes)
Keep dreaming - there was nothing wrong with the energy cap - all of europe is doing the same and its been built into the market for weeks.
The issue was additional tax cuts beyond the energy cap with no justification for them. Remember if the same theory hasn't worked for the past 12 years no-one is going to believe that this time round low corporation tax really, really will generate investment in productivity.
“Keep dreaming - there was nothing wrong with the energy cap - all of europe is doing the same and its been built into the market for weeks.”
Is that what you believe? Then you should provide some evidence to support it easy enough shouldn’t you?
I want evidence everyone else in Europe is borrowing a quarter of a trillion to freeze their energy bills for everybody, “just the same” as you put it.
And I want evidence from you it’s been built into the market for weeks. What detail about cost and payment mechanism has the Uk shared before Queens death and during mourning, they fobbed the whole world off as far as Kwasi’s budget is the truth.
Goat makes up 88.04% the cost of the shopping basket we tried to check out, but had our credit declined. With goat at 88.04% why do you think credit was declined? Additional tax cuts the root cause of the credit declined?
You need to rethink this one 🙂
Truss is wrong, being utterly disingenuous. Yes we needed some sort of bovidae but this shaggy goat is all wrong, it’s needs to be smaller, less hairy, with smaller long term costs and better targeted in what it does. The irony here is Truss forced into cutting the goats hair by markets, goes down in history books for switching to a much sounder policy.
Here’s the kicker. Labour are being disgustingly disingenuous about this all week as well, spouting the same thoughtless rubbish as you just did Eek, trying to make out its nothing to do with the energy bill package, its problem simply the tax cutting ribbons wrapped round it - don’t listen to Labour saying that, the truth is nearly opposite of that. Yes Kwasi an idiot for wrapping tax cuts like ribbons around the energy bills package, and the entire British media pathetically useless for not explaining these truths to the nation as well as I have been explaining on PB all week.
Come and join my position when you are ready, in your own time. But you are running out of time before the UK government starts shaving the goat, which means you’re too slow,
All I'm seeing in your gibberish is someone who hasn't got the first clue what is going on..
Why don’t you just post the evidence to support your view like I suggested. 🙂
Is that what you believe? Then you should provide some evidence to support it easy enough shouldn’t you?
I want evidence everyone else in Europe is borrowing a quarter of a trillion to freeze their energy bills for everybody, “just the same” as you put it.
And I want evidence from you it’s been built into the market for weeks. This is the bit that has fooled you all. What detail about cost and payment mechanism has the Uk shared before Queens death and during mourning, truth is they fobbed the whole world off as far as Kwasi’s budget before the madness of this type of freezing plan was moved against.
For a start it's a pre-emptive warning to Putin by the USA: "we too are prepared to do crazy or violent things, so you bluff won't work, we will also go to the brink and maybe beyond"
In fact this fits perfectly with Deterrence Theory. You should EXPECT America to do something like this, and so they have done it
There are several potential benificiaries:
- Gazprom, because it gets them off the hook for 10s of billions in damages - Putin, because it means that the oligarchs can't bump him off and go back to normal - Norway, because it means they will get even more from their pipeline
But I'm not sure that the US is that much of a beneficiary. I would have thought Biden would like slightly less US natural gas to go to Europe, so that prices in the US could come down somewhat.
Yes, plausible, tho I am unconvinced by the Gazprom thing. We are close to WW3, I don't think oil & gas company profits are that important
How might Washington benefit from cutting the pipe? This links to that CIA interview. The American establishment is "terrified" of Putin going nuclear, he says. Those are his words not mine. So they are clearly taking it super seriously in the USA
In that light they need to tell Putin quite dramatically that if it comes to it America can hurt Russia in multiple ways without actually lobbing missiles. America can cut Russia's gas exports, and cripple its economy, just by blowing up a pipeline. Et voila
On the one hand this means Americans picture Putin saying "damn, I was going to use a nuclear weapon but Biden might cut off the gas supply to western Europe if I do, so I'd better not"
On the other it means Biden said, "what the hell, this might destroy the unity of the western countries, and destroy whatever moral high ground we have with neutrals, in order to "scare" Putin by closing a pipe he's already closed. Let's go for it!"
Except that Biden said he would do exactly this. Cut the pipeline. Without asking Germany
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
"Reopen Nord Stream 2 to ease our energy crisis, senior German politician urges Remarks over halted pipeline project have been criticised for 'strengthening Russia's false narratives'"
A senior figure within one of Germany's ruling parties has said the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline with Russia should be reopened, in a sign of an emerging rift over energy supplies as winter approaches.
"We should open Nord Stream 2 as soon as possible to fill our gas storage facilities for the winter," Wolfgang Kubicki, deputy head of the FDP, told Germany’s RND news group on Friday.
Opening the pipeline would help people stay warm in the winter and protect German industry, said Mr Kubicki, whose party is the junior coalition partner to the SPD and the Greens."
Oh, wait, no, you can't do that, because America just blew it up. Soz, Germany
Well, firstly that article is from over a month ago, when German gas storage levels were much lower.
Secondly, you're choosing to ignore the fact that Germany's actual leader - Olaf Schultz - has become a *lot* more hawkish. He's now demanding that Russia withdraw from all of occupied Ukraine, while before he was much more icky on the issue of Crimea.
If you were the CIA, would you take the political stability of Germany for granted? In the latest YouGov poll, the SPD is now only 2% above the AfD.
Eh?
If you were the CIA would you risk massive backlash against the US in a key ally by blowing up some of their infrasructure?
Leon's answer to that is even if that were the case and it became public, no one would admit it - as he told us earlier today.
I think that's true, tho, don't you? Would the Germans openly accuse America, as we confront Putin? Can't see it
BTW I say again I do not believe this is very very probable, as I do with Lab Leak, I am just nobly trying to battle the site's determination to see this as a mad conspiracy theory. It really is not. It's highly "possible"
No, that really is conspiracy theory style reasoning. "There's no evidence, but that just proves my point." etc.
You are, or at least can be, way better than that.
What an absolute mess. Maybe a GE is the only option, but the Tories won't allow it because: suicide
I don't think they can change leaders again without the pressure for a GE becoming unbearable, the fissures in the Tory party exploding and the party's reputation with the public being utterly trashed. There are no good outcomes for them now. 🎻
No, they are cornered like Putin. It is time for the tactical nuke of a Mark Francois premiership
What an absolute mess. Maybe a GE is the only option, but the Tories won't allow it because: suicide
I don't think they can change leaders again without the pressure for a GE becoming unbearable, the fissures in the Tory party exploding and the party's reputation with the public being utterly trashed. There are no good outcomes for them now. 🎻
Agree they can't change leader. So vote down budget and change Chancellor seems the path of least resistance. Hunt or Mordaunt as Chancellor and a quite different cabinet the cost for Truss of staying on.
As an aside, the truth will definitely come out on the pipeline.
I would be prepared to bet heavily that it was not the US.
I could see it being the Ukrainians (looking to ensure the Germans don't flip flop), or Putin (looking to prevent the oligarchs bumping him off).
But I don't believe that the US does benefit. It means higher consumer prices in the US. And that is electoral poison for the President.
If no gas was going to flow through the pipeline anyway, why would Biden expect any meaningful impact on US consumer prices?
Er... the price of gas started to climb again after the Nordstream damage was reported.
That wasn't the question. Prices rose because of the perception of risk. The question was why it would enter Biden's calculations when giving the hypothetical order.
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There was one speech, by one politician, with the express purpose of filling the storage up ahead of the winter, so as to reduce Germany's dependence on imported gas over the winter.
-Just 10% think budget was fair
-Only 15% think Truss doing is well
-44% of voters think Rishi Sunak would have been better PM, just 13% worse
Bloomberg saying Truss to be out this year maybe pessimistic, she could be out in the next few days
Truss and Kwarteng have to resign or be forced out
https://twitter.com/Aiannucci/status/1575523980039098368
I'm actually impressed at how much Truss is f**ked
Good job: 7 (-3 from end of last week)
Bad job: 60 (+24)
Do you think the govt is managing the economy well or badly?
Well: 11 (-5)
Badly: 76 (+8)
Seriously though a fitting end for Truss/JRM and the "proper Torie"
The ROI for those is pretty good.
In particular it means closing off the route for him to be bumped off and for things to go back to normal. See - he can say to the oligarchs - there is no normal to return to.
I suspect the answer to your question is Barty and WilliamG.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/28/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-leak-russian-navy-ships/index.html
But that is such a stonking lead. And now they have the worse communicator in government trying to tell us how it’s all going to make us better
The Conservatives are holding theirs very soon now, and surely that will also have an effect.
The Lib Dems, of course, had theirs cancelled.
So the extrapolation of seat numbers is almost certainly distorted. Labour need to promote the introduction of PR now if they want to head the next government.
Serious political point. There is now no such thing as a safe Tory seat. And Tory MPs will begin to act accordingly.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1575524951708225541
I would be prepared to bet heavily that it was not the US.
I could see it being the Ukrainians (looking to ensure the Germans don't flip flop), or Putin (looking to prevent the oligarchs bumping him off).
But I don't believe that the US does benefit. It means higher consumer prices in the US. And that is electoral poison for the President.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Nearly 6,500 pieces of kit lost in total.
I know some on here are sceptical, and think Russian still has loads of stonking armour in reserve, but that has to be hurting them.
Would say Tories are 11 or so seats too high here and Lib Dems should be on 33 but it's quick and dirty processing.
(am I doing this right?)
"She's toast."
Still unclear how and when, but people were angry last night before this.
https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1575525163981950986
33% !
It's such a ridiculous, comical number for a lead, like elections as a toytown games set, that's it's almost relaxing and amusing after the last few days.
Surely that's never been matched in a UK-wide poll ? And why is the poll earlier today so much more "regular" - earlier fieldwork ?
🤣🤣🤣
Jesus wept.
Is that what you believe? Then you should provide some evidence to support it easy enough shouldn’t you?
I want evidence everyone else in Europe is borrowing a quarter of a trillion to freeze their energy bills for everybody, “just the same” as you put it.
And I want evidence from you it’s been built into the market for weeks. What detail about cost and payment mechanism has the Uk shared before Queens death and during mourning, they fobbed the whole world off as far as Kwasi’s budget is the truth.
Goat makes up 88.04% the cost of the shopping basket we tried to check out, but had our credit declined. With goat at 88.04% why do you think credit was declined? Additional tax cuts the root cause of the credit declined?
You need to rethink this one 🙂
Truss is wrong, being utterly disingenuous. Yes we needed some sort of bovidae but this shaggy goat is all wrong, it’s needs to be smaller, less hairy, with smaller long term costs and better targeted in what it does. The irony here is Truss forced into cutting the goats hair by markets, goes down in history books for switching to a much sounder policy.
Here’s the kicker. Labour are being disgustingly disingenuous about this all week as well, spouting the same thoughtless rubbish as you just did Eek, trying to make out its nothing to do with the energy bill package, its problem simply the tax cutting ribbons wrapped round it - don’t listen to Labour saying that, the truth is nearly opposite of that. Yes Kwasi an idiot for wrapping tax cuts like ribbons around the energy bills package, and the entire British media pathetically useless for not explaining these truths to the nation as well as I have been explaining on PB all week.
Come and join my position when you are ready, in your own time. But you are running out of time before the UK government starts shaving the goat, which means you’re too slow,
The only way is up from here..
BTW I say again I do not believe this is very very probable, as I do with Lab Leak, I am just nobly trying to battle the site's determination to see this as a mad conspiracy theory. It really is not. It's highly "possible"
Secretive?
What an absolute mess. Maybe a GE is the only option, but the Tories won't allow it because: suicide
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1575526262012903430
The Tories need to act immedately and decisively.
Once we got into an election campaign and people got the message about tactical voting, those two Tory seats would move across to the Lib Dem column.
Is that what you believe? Then you should provide some evidence to support it easy enough shouldn’t you?
I want evidence everyone else in Europe is borrowing a quarter of a trillion to freeze their energy bills for everybody, “just the same” as you put it.
And I want evidence from you it’s been built into the market for weeks. This is the bit that has fooled you all. What detail about cost and payment mechanism has the Uk shared before Queens death and during mourning, truth is they fobbed the whole world off as far as Kwasi’s budget before the madness of this type of freezing plan was moved against.
"There's no evidence, but that just proves my point." etc.
You are, or at least can be, way better than that.