I see Starmer has repeated the neo-fascistic language about Labour being the "political wing of the British people".
Has he? Starmer may be useless, and his speech a disaster, but your assertion is a stretch.
Sir Keir Starmer finishes his speech by echoing Tony Blair, saying "we are the party of the centre ground - once again the political wing of the British people"
So THIS is how YOU define"fascist"? THAT's the stretch!
If Ron DeSantis said, "We are the political wing of the American people," how would it make you feel?
Like he's talking his usual bullshit. Can see why you might feel the same re: Starmer.
Still zero reason to label EITHER remark as "fascist".
The word fascist gets overused far too much, but equating the people/state with the party is absolutely a principle of fascism, as well as similar one party state authoritarians.
That, and "the political wing of" is an expression I have only otherwise heard of Sinn Fein/ira during the troubles. How tin eared can you get?
99 per cent (figure plucked from thin air) of listeners will recognise it from Tony Blair's ".... political wing of the British people", especially given it was so widely briefed that Starmer would say that.
My betting decision of the day is not to top up on lab majority. Sks is not looking like Ed mil, but he could be a Cameron looking like an easy winner but having to settle for a lib dem fudge
Well, he does need a Blair '97-scale swing to achieve a majority of one, so a Hung Parliament still seems the most likely outcome. Besides which, despite the Tories' awful polling performances, we have to remember that (accounting for the relative probability of different age groups actually bothering to cast a vote,) the over 55s constitute over half of the entire electorate, and they're likely to keep breaking heavily for the Conservatives. That should be enough to keep the Tories in the game even if they're so badly mauled amongst younger cohorts that their Parliamentary majority is erased.
Indeed, it's arguable that the ideal scenario for the next GE would be one in which the Conservatives end up as the largest single party, Labour has to rely on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats for support, and Starmer ends up being dragged kicking and screaming into legislating for electoral reform. A broadly proportional voting system would probably prevent the Conservative Party from ever winning a majority again, and would make it hard for it to return to power full stop for so long as it represents the interests of multi-millionaires, elderly homeowners and no-one else.
It would also make it near impossible for Labour to ever win a majority again or for a government implementing socialism to get a majority again, even Attlee in 1945, Wilson in 1966 or Blair in 1997 would have failed to get a majority with PR.
The LDs would normally be kingmakers, as 2010 showed they can go with the Tories as much as Labour. A Corbyn Left Party would emerge with seats which Labour would need to do deals with along with the Greens to have any hope of government and a Farage Nationalist party too would also win seats with which the Tories would also eventually have to probably do deals
The Greens would be the biggest winners I expect. Right place at the right time. They'd need to get a few more sensible policies first though.
I doubt a Faragiste party would do particularly well under PR unless the Tories vacated the nationalist space and moved closer to the centre.
I see Starmer has repeated the neo-fascistic language about Labour being the "political wing of the British people".
Has he? Starmer may be useless, and his speech a disaster, but your assertion is a stretch.
Sir Keir Starmer finishes his speech by echoing Tony Blair, saying "we are the party of the centre ground - once again the political wing of the British people"
So THIS is how YOU define"fascist"? THAT's the stretch!
If Ron DeSantis said, "We are the political wing of the American people," how would it make you feel?
Like he's talking his usual bullshit. Can see why you might feel the same re: Starmer.
Still zero reason to label EITHER remark as "fascist".
The word fascist gets overused far too much, but equating the people/state with the party is absolutely a principle of fascism, as well as similar one party state authoritarians.
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
I think you're just going through a bout of general pessimism and it's skewing your judgment.
I think you're just going through a bout of general denial and it's skewing your judgement.
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
The key thing is that there has been a total loss of confidence in the UK government, not in the UK per se. It's been building and last Friday just tipped everything over the edge. While that is not great is does mean it is fixable.
There is a great opening for Labour to offer a more interventionist alternative to the faux-supply side growth policies of the Tories, so long as they don't go mad.
The GB energy proposal will be universally popular and is just one of those things that feels right for the times we live in. Supporting a massive push on insulation and energy efficiency is also timely. Nationalising what's left of privatised rail is less exciting to be honest.
The other supply side reform someone needs to promise - either Labour or the Lib Dems - is something on pre-school childcare. Probably the single biggest blocker to more people in prime working age entering or re-entering the labour market. The Tory proposal (is it still out there) to lift the ratio of kids to staff is one small drop in the ocean but they need only look at state support for childcare in Scandinavia or France to see how his contributes directly to labour market participation and productivity.
Yes, extend childcare down to ages 1-4 and make it 35h per week all year round rather than this idiotic term time only funding. It doesn't matter how expensive it is, we need to support families in having kids.
If Labour propose that and fund it with some tax on old people they'll get my vote (and my wife's!).
So a wealth tax to fund social care (both young and old). Sounds a winner....
My betting decision of the day is not to top up on lab majority. Sks is not looking like Ed mil, but he could be a Cameron looking like an easy winner but having to settle for a lib dem fudge
Well, he does need a Blair '97-scale swing to achieve a majority of one, so a Hung Parliament still seems the most likely outcome. Besides which, despite the Tories' awful polling performances, we have to remember that (accounting for the relative probability of different age groups actually bothering to cast a vote,) the over 55s constitute over half of the entire electorate, and they're likely to keep breaking heavily for the Conservatives. That should be enough to keep the Tories in the game even if they're so badly mauled amongst younger cohorts that their Parliamentary majority is erased.
Indeed, it's arguable that the ideal scenario for the next GE would be one in which the Conservatives end up as the largest single party, Labour has to rely on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats for support, and Starmer ends up being dragged kicking and screaming into legislating for electoral reform. A broadly proportional voting system would probably prevent the Conservative Party from ever winning a majority again, and would make it hard for it to return to power full stop for so long as it represents the interests of multi-millionaires, elderly homeowners and no-one else.
It would also make it near impossible for Labour to ever win a majority again or for a government implementing socialism to get a majority again, even Attlee in 1945, Wilson in 1966 or Blair in 1997 would have failed to get a majority with PR.
The LDs would normally be kingmakers, as 2010 showed they can go with the Tories as much as Labour. A Corbyn Left Party would emerge with seats which Labour would need to do deals with along with the Greens to have any hope of government and a Farage Nationalist party too would also win seats with which the Tories would also eventually have to probably do deals
Do you mean, young HY, that politicians would actually have to start thinking for themselves about the policies that they intend to support, and explain and justify their real intentions to the electors in order to have to win over their support? This would lead to the fragmentation of political parties as we know them, and obviously to the collapse of civilization.
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Nobody going on foreign holidays is it?
More years of staycations it is then.
Except staycations will be priced out because the UK will be cheaper for foreigners so demand will be sky high (with sky high prices to match)
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
I think you're just going through a bout of general pessimism and it's skewing your judgment.
I think you're just going through a bout of general denial and it's skewing your judgement.
You seem to think I'm a partisan Tory which shows how little you understand my perspective.
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
doesnt make sense for the city to be so big except for historical reasons....it is as big as Wall Street but attached to a much smaller and poorer economy...i could see the major financial centres in the future being wall street and shanghai, perhaps tokyo with london a much smaller player
The other reason the City is so big as a financial centre is quite mundane: time zones. 24-hour dealing passes from Tokyo to London to New York and back to Tokyo. Rival European centres like Frankfurt and Paris will be looking at London's missteps this week.
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
I think that is unduly negative.
London retains an excellent legal system, a deep pool of talented labour, and a relatively free labour market.
There are challenges - but I would suggest that most of the challenges are actually to do with the fact that business can increasingly be done from anywhere, and so therefore the need for centres like London has diminished somewhat. (It's not that they disappear... but maybe they're a little less important.)
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
I think you're just going through a bout of general pessimism and it's skewing your judgment.
No, I'm just looking at the fundamentals of why so many international funds and banks are here. I work for one and stability was part of the decision making process when we committed to London as our international HQ outside of our home country - stability brings access to capital. If we have a situation where investors are worried about the future of the UK economy they will find some other country to park their money and loads of high value jobs disappear.
I think Greek/Italian bonds are currently where they are because the market expects that the ECB will treat the Russian invasion / energy crisis, like they did the Eurozone crisis and the pandemic crisis. Basically: their view is that the ECB will always find a crisis to justify intervention.
There may be implications he said, as the euro traded significantly below 96 US cents.
The Fed is keeping up the pressure, The BoE will almost certainly respond. What will the ECB do? how far can it go in terms of rates? They are looking at a recession as it is.
My betting decision of the day is not to top up on lab majority. Sks is not looking like Ed mil, but he could be a Cameron looking like an easy winner but having to settle for a lib dem fudge
Well, he does need a Blair '97-scale swing to achieve a majority of one, so a Hung Parliament still seems the most likely outcome. Besides which, despite the Tories' awful polling performances, we have to remember that (accounting for the relative probability of different age groups actually bothering to cast a vote,) the over 55s constitute over half of the entire electorate, and they're likely to keep breaking heavily for the Conservatives. That should be enough to keep the Tories in the game even if they're so badly mauled amongst younger cohorts that their Parliamentary majority is erased.
Indeed, it's arguable that the ideal scenario for the next GE would be one in which the Conservatives end up as the largest single party, Labour has to rely on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats for support, and Starmer ends up being dragged kicking and screaming into legislating for electoral reform. A broadly proportional voting system would probably prevent the Conservative Party from ever winning a majority again, and would make it hard for it to return to power full stop for so long as it represents the interests of multi-millionaires, elderly homeowners and no-one else.
It would also make it near impossible for Labour to ever win a majority again or for a government implementing socialism to get a majority again, even Attlee in 1945, Wilson in 1966 or Blair in 1997 would have failed to get a majority with PR.
The LDs would normally be kingmakers, as 2010 showed they can go with the Tories as much as Labour. A Corbyn Left Party would emerge with seats which Labour would need to do deals with along with the Greens to have any hope of government and a Farage Nationalist party too would also win seats with which the Tories would also eventually have to probably do deals
Do you mean, young HY, that politicians would actually have to start thinking for themselves about the policies that they intend to support, and explain and justify their real intentions to the electors in order to have to win over their support? This would lead to the fragmentation of political parties as we know them, and obviously to the collapse of civilization.
It would mean nothing of the sort - the politicians would just go off into a room with no press to decide the makeup of the government with no reference to the opinions of the people.
An announcement during Kwasi's speech next week would be great...
BOE base climbing above 6% is going to be as bad as the oft-quoted 15% by of yore. Sure more people are on fixed rate deals now but peoples decisions have been based on low rates for so long that it is going to come with a lot of pain. Anything above 6% will be higher than any time since the late 1990s.
there is nowhere to go with this soon the media will be flooded with sob stories like they were on the energy crisis but this time the govt cant intervene and bail people out without causing massive capital flight from the uk and a currency collapse game over for those who are overleveraged
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
I think that is unduly negative.
London retains an excellent legal system, a deep pool of talented labour, and a relatively free labour market.
There are challenges - but I would suggest that most of the challenges are actually to do with the fact that business can increasingly be done from anywhere, and so therefore the need for centres like London has diminished somewhat. (It's not that they disappear... but maybe they're a little less important.)
I think it's more the thought process of "is this where I want to park my money" the answer is obviously still yes, yet there now exists a scenario where it rapidly becomes a no because of government incompetence.
Not according to PB. The general consensus is it was a shocker.
That was general consensus among Tory-only fans.
Fact they are try so hard - TOO hard - to denegrate Starmer and all his works, is yet another sign they are FREAKING OUT.
Same as with pooh-poohing the Pound Plunge, and/or claiming it's the fault of Gordon Brown, Harold Wilson, Clement Attlee, etc., etc.
So true.
One of the worst offenders is Big John the Sheffield Wednesday fan. He pounces on SKS at every single opportunity. I remember him mocking the 4% Labour opinion poll lead a few weeks back.
Reception outside of the pb forum in the mainstream media seems to be positive.
But it's irrelevant. All Starmer has to do at the moment is look assured and safe. The tory party pressed the self-destruct button.
Sure, he's no Tony Blair but we may all be very grateful for that when he's Prime Minister. There won't be too much schmooooze from Starmer but neither will there be an evangelical invasion on a false pretext.
Where @faisalislam elegantly sets out the political and economic bind @KwasiKwarteng and @trussliz has put the Tory party: - row back on tax cuts - massive spending cuts - hideous interest rate rises
A reminder that the traffic is not entirely one way in Ukraine. https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1574762138631131143 Multiple Ukrainian cargo trucks with ammo were destroyed by artillery fire of the Russian forces (the "Kaskad" unit of DNR) in Katerynivka, #Donetsk Oblast.
I'm not surprised - the comments were ill-judged but not racist imo.
Compare and contrast with some of Boris Johnson's utterances.
In what world is it not racist to say black men shouldn't go to private school or work in banking?! It's literally stereotyping them. She's a racist moron, glad to see Starmer take it seriously.
She doesn't actually say that but do I take your point. She is falling back on lazy stereotypes, racist and classist.
I agree with Starmer's action and it's good if, as reported, she's apologised.
She is essentially saying that some one is not genuinely black if they come from a wealthy background and that they should not speak with an RP accent. What does that actually say? It says that black people should never have such aspirations, or maybe that they are not good enough to send their children to top independent schools.
It is actually fucking outrageous An apology is not enough. She should have the whip removed
There is a great opening for Labour to offer a more interventionist alternative to the faux-supply side growth policies of the Tories, so long as they don't go mad.
The GB energy proposal will be universally popular and is just one of those things that feels right for the times we live in. Supporting a massive push on insulation and energy efficiency is also timely. Nationalising what's left of privatised rail is less exciting to be honest.
The other supply side reform someone needs to promise - either Labour or the Lib Dems - is something on pre-school childcare. Probably the single biggest blocker to more people in prime working age entering or re-entering the labour market. The Tory proposal (is it still out there) to lift the ratio of kids to staff is one small drop in the ocean but they need only look at state support for childcare in Scandinavia or France to see how his contributes directly to labour market participation and productivity.
Are there comparative numbers for different countries?
I thought ours was expensive and delivered relatively little.
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Nobody going on foreign holidays is it?
More years of staycations it is then.
Except staycations will be priced out because the UK will be cheaper for foreigners so demand will be sky high (with sky high prices to match)
If you want to get through the next few years, build holiday lets. Put a yurt on your curtilage. A shepherd's hut can abut....
My betting decision of the day is not to top up on lab majority. Sks is not looking like Ed mil, but he could be a Cameron looking like an easy winner but having to settle for a lib dem fudge
Well, he does need a Blair '97-scale swing to achieve a majority of one, so a Hung Parliament still seems the most likely outcome. Besides which, despite the Tories' awful polling performances, we have to remember that (accounting for the relative probability of different age groups actually bothering to cast a vote,) the over 55s constitute over half of the entire electorate, and they're likely to keep breaking heavily for the Conservatives. That should be enough to keep the Tories in the game even if they're so badly mauled amongst younger cohorts that their Parliamentary majority is erased.
Indeed, it's arguable that the ideal scenario for the next GE would be one in which the Conservatives end up as the largest single party, Labour has to rely on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats for support, and Starmer ends up being dragged kicking and screaming into legislating for electoral reform. A broadly proportional voting system would probably prevent the Conservative Party from ever winning a majority again, and would make it hard for it to return to power full stop for so long as it represents the interests of multi-millionaires, elderly homeowners and no-one else.
It would also make it near impossible for Labour to ever win a majority again or for a government implementing socialism to get a majority again, even Attlee in 1945, Wilson in 1966 or Blair in 1997 would have failed to get a majority with PR.
The LDs would normally be kingmakers, as 2010 showed they can go with the Tories as much as Labour. A Corbyn Left Party would emerge with seats which Labour would need to do deals with along with the Greens to have any hope of government and a Farage Nationalist party too would also win seats with which the Tories would also eventually have to probably do deals
The Greens would be the biggest winners I expect. Right place at the right time. They'd need to get a few more sensible policies first though.
I doubt a Faragiste party would do particularly well under PR unless the Tories vacated the nationalist space and moved closer to the centre.
Which they did in 2015 when UKIP got 12% of the vote, which produced 1 seat under FPTP but would have got 78 UKIP MPs with PR
She exhibited the worst kind of racism: an assumption that those with certain skin colour should behave in a certain way.
Sure she has been stupidly racist but not sure how it can possibly be the worst form of racism. Slavery or lynching for example are certainly worse.....
You can tell the right are worried when they try to pin neo-fascism on the rather benign Starmer. Scraping the barrel, or what? FFS.
If you are correct then tory voters have nothing to fear from Starmer. A period of labour government will be just dandy.
I mean do you really think he'll be rounding up his political opponents, disbanding the Conservative Party and putting them in a camp? What precisely do you think Starmer will be doing during 'a period of Labour Government '?
Kherson Oblast - 97.47% Zaporozhye Oblast - 98% Donetsk Oblast - 98.05% Luhansk Oblast - 97.79%
I really don't understand why they don't make the results even slightly believable. Has 97% ever been achieved in any fair referendum? Maybe something like 52-48 would work?
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Nobody going on foreign holidays is it?
More years of staycations it is then.
Except staycations will be priced out because the UK will be cheaper for foreigners so demand will be sky high (with sky high prices to match)
If you want to get through the next few years, build holiday lets. Put a yurt on your curtilage. A shepherd's hut can abut....
I expect holiday lets shortly to lose a bundle of tax advantages - they are one sector of the rental market which has been ignored since Osborne's tax attacks on the rental sector started back in 2014 or so.
It would be crazy to leave the exemptions in place when extra taxes are needed.
(Need to listen to Starmer's speech - did the twit really threaten to nationalise energy? Duh.)
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Nobody going on foreign holidays is it?
More years of staycations it is then.
Except staycations will be priced out because the UK will be cheaper for foreigners so demand will be sky high (with sky high prices to match)
If you want to get through the next few years, build holiday lets. Put a yurt on your curtilage. A shepherd's hut can abut....
I expect holiday lets shortly to use a bundle of tax advantages - they are one sector of the rental market which has been ignored since Osborne's tax attacks on the rental sector started back in 2014 or so.
It would be crazy to leave the exemptions in place when extra taxes are needed.
There is a great opening for Labour to offer a more interventionist alternative to the faux-supply side growth policies of the Tories, so long as they don't go mad.
The GB energy proposal will be universally popular and is just one of those things that feels right for the times we live in. Supporting a massive push on insulation and energy efficiency is also timely. Nationalising what's left of privatised rail is less exciting to be honest.
The other supply side reform someone needs to promise - either Labour or the Lib Dems - is something on pre-school childcare. Probably the single biggest blocker to more people in prime working age entering or re-entering the labour market. The Tory proposal (is it still out there) to lift the ratio of kids to staff is one small drop in the ocean but they need only look at state support for childcare in Scandinavia or France to see how his contributes directly to labour market participation and productivity.
Yes, extend childcare down to ages 1-4 and make it 35h per week all year round rather than this idiotic term time only funding. It doesn't matter how expensive it is, we need to support families in having kids.
If Labour propose that and fund it with some tax on old people they'll get my vote (and my wife's!).
So a wealth tax to fund social care (both young and old). Sounds a winner....
dont agree with farming children out to childcare for the first 2 or 3 years of their life...
Need to correct that. Tottenham Tories. Not a Councillor - they don't have any.
People willing to campaign for the Tories in Tottenham are going to be a bit barking. Perhaps another council a bit further south east might suit them better.
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
I think you're just going through a bout of general pessimism and it's skewing your judgment.
Like you over Brexit? At least you are back on the right side now.
My betting decision of the day is not to top up on lab majority. Sks is not looking like Ed mil, but he could be a Cameron looking like an easy winner but having to settle for a lib dem fudge
Well, he does need a Blair '97-scale swing to achieve a majority of one, so a Hung Parliament still seems the most likely outcome. Besides which, despite the Tories' awful polling performances, we have to remember that (accounting for the relative probability of different age groups actually bothering to cast a vote,) the over 55s constitute over half of the entire electorate, and they're likely to keep breaking heavily for the Conservatives. That should be enough to keep the Tories in the game even if they're so badly mauled amongst younger cohorts that their Parliamentary majority is erased.
Indeed, it's arguable that the ideal scenario for the next GE would be one in which the Conservatives end up as the largest single party, Labour has to rely on both the SNP and the Liberal Democrats for support, and Starmer ends up being dragged kicking and screaming into legislating for electoral reform. A broadly proportional voting system would probably prevent the Conservative Party from ever winning a majority again, and would make it hard for it to return to power full stop for so long as it represents the interests of multi-millionaires, elderly homeowners and no-one else.
It would also make it near impossible for Labour to ever win a majority again or for a government implementing socialism to get a majority again, even Attlee in 1945, Wilson in 1966 or Blair in 1997 would have failed to get a majority with PR.
The LDs would normally be kingmakers, as 2010 showed they can go with the Tories as much as Labour. A Corbyn Left Party would emerge with seats which Labour would need to do deals with along with the Greens to have any hope of government and a Farage Nationalist party too would also win seats with which the Tories would also eventually have to probably do deals
Do you mean, young HY, that politicians would actually have to start thinking for themselves about the policies that they intend to support, and explain and justify their real intentions to the electors in order to have to win over their support? This would lead to the fragmentation of political parties as we know them, and obviously to the collapse of civilization.
It would mean nothing of the sort - the politicians would just go off into a room with no press to decide the makeup of the government with no reference to the opinions of the people.
It doesn't need to mean this. In any system of PR then there is always the possibility, theoretical at least, of one party getting more than 50% if they can persuade enough of the electorate . Coalitions are simply the result of an instruction by the electorate to go and form a coalition. There is absolutely nothing undemocratic about that unless you are very very muddle headed.
Kherson Oblast - 97.47% Zaporozhye Oblast - 98% Donetsk Oblast - 98.05% Luhansk Oblast - 97.79%
I really don't understand why they don't make the results even slightly believable. Has 97% ever been achieved in any fair referendum? Maybe something like 52-48 would work?
Where @faisalislam elegantly sets out the political and economic bind @KwasiKwarteng and @trussliz has put the Tory party: - row back on tax cuts - massive spending cuts - hideous interest rate rises
We all know it’s going to be number 2. Problem is where do they cut? Local government is already hollowed out. Defence won’t play well internationally.
Everything other than welfare, education or the NHS will be marginal in terms of the cuts needed. Good luck to Liz and Kwazi getting those through …. It’s going to be a rough few months.
I'm not surprised - the comments were ill-judged but not racist imo.
Compare and contrast with some of Boris Johnson's utterances.
In what world is it not racist to say black men shouldn't go to private school or work in banking?! It's literally stereotyping them. She's a racist moron, glad to see Starmer take it seriously.
She doesn't actually say that but do I take your point. She is falling back on lazy stereotypes, racist and classist.
I agree with Starmer's action and it's good if, as reported, she's apologised.
She is essentially saying that some one is not genuinely black if they come from a wealthy background and that they should not speak with an RP accent. What does that actually say? It says that black people should never have such aspirations, or maybe that they are not good enough to send their children to top independent schools.
It is actually fucking outrageous An apology is not enough. She should have the whip removed
One thing that has been worrying me today and yesterday is that a loss of confidence in the UK will eventually lead to the City turning into a shadow of what it is today. One of the major reasons so many investors and banks are happy to do their business here is because the UK has, historically, had a very stable government and economic outlook. This band of idiots has put all of that hard won credibility at risk and if it continues investors will start moving their money elsewhere and that means banks and jobs will follow.
I think you're just going through a bout of general pessimism and it's skewing your judgment.
Like you over Brexit? At least you are back on the right side now.
Where @faisalislam elegantly sets out the political and economic bind @KwasiKwarteng and @trussliz has put the Tory party: - row back on tax cuts - massive spending cuts - hideous interest rate rises
We all know it’s going to be number 2. Problem is where do they cut? Local government is already hollowed out. Defence won’t play well internationally.
Everything other than welfare, education or the NHS will be marginal in terms of the cuts needed. Good luck to Liz and Kwazi getting those through …. It’s going to be a rough few months.
Cuts in education simply aren't feasible. We are running on a diminishing supply of goodwill in the fourth week of the School Year.
It was an OK speech, pitching Labour as on the side of middle and lower earners and the Tories on the side of the rich. It also offered a few carrots to the left like a new state energy service.
Dull delivery though, he is no Blair or Cameron as a speaker and lacks Johnson's charisma. However Truss is little better on that score
She exhibited the worst kind of racism: an assumption that those with certain skin colour should behave in a certain way.
Sure she has been stupidly racist but not sure how it can possibly be the worst form of racism. Slavery or lynching for example are certainly worse.....
Need to correct that. Tottenham Tories. Not a Councillor - they don't have any.
People willing to campaign for the Tories in Tottenham are going to be a bit barking. Perhaps another council a bit further south east might suit them better.
Where @faisalislam elegantly sets out the political and economic bind @KwasiKwarteng and @trussliz has put the Tory party: - row back on tax cuts - massive spending cuts - hideous interest rate rises
She exhibited the worst kind of racism: an assumption that those with certain skin colour should behave in a certain way.
Sure she has been stupidly racist but not sure how it can possibly be the worst form of racism. Slavery or lynching for example are certainly worse.....
The one assumption underpins the other.
Not really. Her racist assumption is all people from a group should think the same way. Slavery or lynching are based on other groups being either a threat and/or sub human. It would be a very long journey from her lazy stereotyping to get to a mindset of justifying lynching.
Need to correct that. Tottenham Tories. Not a Councillor - they don't have any.
Quite interesting to see their comparisons for the LTNs - pass laws, Belfast duriung the Troubles ...
The cluelessness is encouraging, in that they will lose through having no meaningful case.
Of course - I'd forgotten you are very keen on urban cycling. Quite. I see 'ghetto' is also used. And it doesn't help that in their historical comparisons the wealthy folk tooling around in big cars were, erm, one colour/race/whatever, and the poor, another ... astounding stuff to come out with in London of all places.
Need to correct that. Tottenham Tories. Not a Councillor - they don't have any.
People willing to campaign for the Tories in Tottenham are going to be a bit barking. Perhaps another council a bit further south east might suit them better.
What, like Hackney?
I thought the end of my first sentence had wrapped the answer up in a bow for you.
Where @faisalislam elegantly sets out the political and economic bind @KwasiKwarteng and @trussliz has put the Tory party: - row back on tax cuts - massive spending cuts - hideous interest rate rises
Islam is wrong and has missed the wood for the trees.
He says that there would need to be spending cuts, but there can't be because the spending review until 2025 will be stuck to.
Errr, you what? Sticking to the spending review until 2025 is a humongous spending cut in real terms. Inflation at 10% and the spending review was predicated on inflation not passing 4%, so there's huge real terms spending cut there - and one where they don't need to even make any decisions to announce it, just proceed with the "already existing plans".
Finally, I think 'Great British Energy', in public ownership, is a big winner.
Yes it will be
I’m not keen. State competing with private simply won’t work well.
It will be popular though. I'd rather we went all in and grabbed hold of 100% of our needs in energy and food. Fuck globalism, its over
Globalism isn’t over. It’s only just begun.
It’s also unbeatable.
Populism will defeat globalism. Watch this space.
Not If moderatism defeates populism first.
This winter will do for moderatism. Also watch this space.
i honestly think the only chance for the conservatives now as the economy is screwed is to go full on bnp lite to get the red wall votes...start talking about things like an immigration freeze..fight a full on culture wars battle
I see Starmer has repeated the neo-fascistic language about Labour being the "political wing of the British people".
Has he? Starmer may be useless, and his speech a disaster, but your assertion is a stretch.
Sir Keir Starmer finishes his speech by echoing Tony Blair, saying "we are the party of the centre ground - once again the political wing of the British people"
So THIS is how YOU define"fascist"? THAT's the stretch!
If Ron DeSantis said, "We are the political wing of the American people," how would it make you feel?
Like he's talking his usual bullshit. Can see why you might feel the same re: Starmer.
Still zero reason to label EITHER remark as "fascist".
The word fascist gets overused far too much, but equating the people/state with the party is absolutely a principle of fascism, as well as similar one party state authoritarians.
He seems to have some fairly strong views about what defines fascist/Nazi.
He's probably got more first-hand experience tbf.
Starmer is clearly using populist language. Exactly the same as "will of the people" (much used by Brexit supporters here, so surprising to see them calling it "fascist" all of a sudden). It's also the same as when journalists say things after an election result like "the British people have spoken". Awful.
With Nordstream 1 and Nordstream 2 both down, will Gazprom now be reduced to .... organising high school proms?
Are Russia's oil export facilities the next to have some really unfortunate events? If so, who does Putin wave his willy-shaped nukes at?
Nordstream 2 was never turned on, was it?
So the current "issues" with NS1 are simply them turning off the dregs of the capacity.
(FWIW, Continental Europe owes a massive debt to the Norwegians, who have stopped reinjecting natural gas into their oil wells, so as to be able to export it.)
She exhibited the worst kind of racism: an assumption that those with certain skin colour should behave in a certain way.
Sure she has been stupidly racist but not sure how it can possibly be the worst form of racism. Slavery or lynching for example are certainly worse.....
The one assumption underpins the other.
Not really. Her racist assumption is all people from a group should think the same way. Slavery or lynching are based on other groups being either a threat and/or sub human. It would be a very long journey from her lazy stereotyping to get to a mindset of justifying lynching.
Dead wrong, Emmett Till was murdered for behaving in a certain way inappropriate to his skin colour. Nobody thought he was a threat.
I see according to some in Labour I'm superficially a brown man.
Magnificent.
"Culturally white" is the most recent one I've had said to/about me. From a self appointed "anti-racist" too. Wankers.
Polite way of saying coconut isn't it?
Wankers indeed.
Indeed. Someone else at the table pointed this out and the "anti-racist" went off on one. Happily she's someone I only know in passing and see very rarely.
Finally, I think 'Great British Energy', in public ownership, is a big winner.
Yes it will be
I’m not keen. State competing with private simply won’t work well.
It will be popular though. I'd rather we went all in and grabbed hold of 100% of our needs in energy and food. Fuck globalism, its over
Globalism isn’t over. It’s only just begun.
It’s also unbeatable.
Populism will defeat globalism. Watch this space.
Not If moderatism defeates populism first.
This winter will do for moderatism. Also watch this space.
i honestly think the only chance for the conservatives now as the economy is screwed is to go full on bnp lite to get the red wall votes...start talking about things like an immigration freeze..fight a full on culture wars battle
Yes, if not there is scope for a red wall friendly populist movement to really grab the long term trend away from Labour there. But they need to get motivated and organised now
Edit - although there is no need for any BNP reference or influence, populism does not need to sink into that sort of quagmire i missed the bnp reference when i first read it
She exhibited the worst kind of racism: an assumption that those with certain skin colour should behave in a certain way.
Hyperbole alert: '...the worst kind of racism...' Really? You mean worse than Jim Crow? Worse than apartheid? Worse than the gas chambers?
She was wrong, she was punished, she apologised.
Meanwhile the economy continues from strength to strength.
I think, Ben, he means fundamentally racist. Sure, it doesn't quite match taking someone's gonads off with a blow-torch, but the underlying problem is the same - the assumption that color is coded with behavior. That's wrong, that's racist and she should know it.
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I doubt a Faragiste party would do particularly well under PR unless the Tories vacated the nationalist space and moved closer to the centre.
She exhibited the worst kind of racism: an assumption that those with certain skin colour should behave in a certain way.
Are Russia's oil export facilities the next to have some really unfortunate events? If so, who does Putin wave his willy-shaped nukes at?
Rupa Hug, whilst unfortunately sitting next to the Labour Party Chair, comes out with some racist tropes about a black Chancellor of the Exchequer.
(This TBH is hardly a surprise - Huq has always been a loose cannon.)
Meanwhile a Tottenham Tory Councillor compares low traffic neighbourhoods to apartheid laws in South Africa. Perhaps he drives a BMW.
https://road.cc/content/news/london-borough-tories-liken-ltns-apartheid-296181
London retains an excellent legal system, a deep pool of talented labour, and a relatively free labour market.
There are challenges - but I would suggest that most of the challenges are actually to do with the fact that business can increasingly be done from anywhere, and so therefore the need for centres like London has diminished somewhat. (It's not that they disappear... but maybe they're a little less important.)
The Fed is keeping up the pressure, The BoE will almost certainly respond. What will the ECB do? how far can it go in terms of rates? They are looking at a recession as it is.
soon the media will be flooded with sob stories like they were on the energy crisis
but this time the govt cant intervene and bail people out without causing massive capital flight from the uk and a currency collapse
game over for those who are overleveraged
One of the worst offenders is Big John the Sheffield Wednesday fan. He pounces on SKS at every single opportunity. I remember him mocking the 4% Labour opinion poll lead a few weeks back.
Reception outside of the pb forum in the mainstream media seems to be positive.
But it's irrelevant. All Starmer has to do at the moment is look assured and safe. The tory party pressed the self-destruct button.
Sure, he's no Tony Blair but we may all be very grateful for that when he's Prime Minister. There won't be too much schmooooze from Starmer but neither will there be an evangelical invasion on a false pretext.
- row back on tax cuts
- massive spending cuts
- hideous interest rate rises
Totally self-inflicted. 🤷♂️
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63049044 https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1574799382611984386/photo/1
Fnar....
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1574762138631131143
Multiple Ukrainian cargo trucks with ammo were destroyed by artillery fire of the Russian forces (the "Kaskad" unit of DNR) in Katerynivka, #Donetsk Oblast.
Many of the FSE100 earn in dollars overseas so less reflective of the UK economy.
It is actually fucking outrageous An apology is not enough. She should have the whip removed
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/09/27/budget-2023-main-points-vacant-homes-tax-introduced-excise-reductions-on-fuel-extended-tax-credits-for-renters/
It's a looooooooooooooooooong list.
https://twitter.com/WarInUkraineYet/status/1574760866255409153
Preliminary results for the annexation referendums in territory occupied by Russia, by Interfax:
Kherson Oblast - 97.47%
Zaporozhye Oblast - 98%
Donetsk Oblast - 98.05%
Luhansk Oblast - 97.79%
I thought ours was expensive and delivered relatively little.
Interesting comment from a current member of the @bankofengland’s Monetary Policy Committee, which sets interest rates… https://twitter.com/haskelecon/status/1574798913072250880
It’s also unbeatable.
It would be crazy to leave the exemptions in place when extra taxes are needed.
(Need to listen to Starmer's speech - did the twit really threaten to nationalise energy? Duh.)
She was wrong, she was punished, she apologised.
Meanwhile the economy continues from strength to strength.
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There it goes - Britain's 30-year bond yield rises above 5.00% for the first time since 2002.
Everything other than welfare, education or the NHS will be marginal in terms of the cuts needed. Good luck to Liz and Kwazi getting those through …. It’s going to be a rough few months.
Magnificent.
Truss might use her speech next week to explain to the markets why they were wrong...
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1574757588843073537
To be honest, I wouldn't have cared about it, I still don't, and I didn't bring it up. Its just silly nonsense in my eyes.
But SSI asked why others were making the connection, and I could see it. Its a very weak connection, but it is there.
But I really don't think it makes any difference at all.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/uk-predicts-up-to-170-billion-excess-profits-for-energy-firms
Wankers indeed.
He says that there would need to be spending cuts, but there can't be because the spending review until 2025 will be stuck to.
Errr, you what? Sticking to the spending review until 2025 is a humongous spending cut in real terms. Inflation at 10% and the spending review was predicated on inflation not passing 4%, so there's huge real terms spending cut there - and one where they don't need to even make any decisions to announce it, just proceed with the "already existing plans".
Better than last years and better recieved. Rather solid, predictable and stodgy but a better delivery. Reassuringly sane.
I won't be voting Labour, but he could be quite a good PM.
So the current "issues" with NS1 are simply them turning off the dregs of the capacity.
(FWIW, Continental Europe owes a massive debt to the Norwegians, who have stopped reinjecting natural gas into their oil wells, so as to be able to export it.)
Edit - although there is no need for any BNP reference or influence, populism does not need to sink into that sort of quagmire i missed the bnp reference when i first read it
Chuck her out of the Party.