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  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
  • Looks like a good night to do some laundry, slow roast some pork, or otherwise use up the available wind energy.

    http://gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We'll be doing our bit. We get 4 hours of nighttime electricity at 7.5 p/kWh, so we've learned to use the timers on everything :-)
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Every ten minutes today someone posted that poll 🥱
  • Oh! PB veteran Andrea is on duty. Shame I’ve got an early start.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound

    Nope

    @rec777777 @CARogersNo1 @BBCNews

    The pound fell yesterday against every currency on the planet including the Ruble.

    https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1573631769508724737/photo/1
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Selebian said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interesting phrasing from GlosCCC:

    A second win on the bounce for Dale Benkenstein’s side wouldn’t be enough to save them from the drop, but would mean ending the season on a high as attentions turn to bouncing straight back up from Division Two next season.

    Sounds like they have already worked out the Strauss review is going nowhere...

    Hard to get a Handel on what's going to happen. Sure if they do drop, they'll be Bach.
    I think that they are on a Haydn to nothing myself.
    They failed to parry the enormous number of questions they were asked.
    They were quite clearly cruising fauré bruising.
    Their own fault, they are the ones whose actions with the Hundred saw the feathers Duruflé in the first place.
    If they don't want their feathers ruffled, they should stay inside the Byrd Cage.
    It took me 4 minutes and 33 seconds to work that one out
    I look forward to hearing a full length piece from you.
    This is just a prelude?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    That's more of a fugue.
    Truth is I like Phillip Glass music, some of it is very beautiful, like facades and closing. It’s all about the inflection in the music isn’t it - Is this really as minimalist as Steve Reich? When we done a video of our art exhibition it was my idea to use facades.

    Surely I am not alone in liking Phillip Glass?
    At his best!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWG43VGvuCc

    We might agree on something? 🥳

    I’m suspecting you had a hand in the advert? How does “life out of balance” (technology v environment) go hand in hand with promoting an energy company?
    You're full of surprises! (and very knowledgable). I more or less stole the idea from Koyaanisqatsi (Life out of Balance). The agency thought it a masterstroke. A happy accident.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Every ten minutes today someone posted that poll 🥱
    You make my heart sing
    You make everything groovy, wild thing
    Wild thing, I think you move me
    But I wanna know for sure
  • The Tories are now in denial, it's sad to see.

    All think tanks and institutions are left wing and wrong.

    The markets are left wing and wrong.

    The Pound isn't actually falling its the Dollar's fault.

    This is how you lose in a landslide, I would like to thank you for your work in delivering the next Labour Government
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Every ten minutes today someone posted that poll 🥱
    A sexy MRP poll in a little black number. Conducted whilst all Tories were in the queue, every single one
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
    Pound's down against Euro too.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Italian seat calculator. From this, I reckon the final pre election polls have to be 13-14 points wrong on the gap between right and centre-left to deny the former an overall majority.

    https://tg24.sky.it/politica/elezioni/seggiometro-composizione-parlamento
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Scott_xP said:

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound

    Nope

    @rec777777 @CARogersNo1 @BBCNews

    The pound fell yesterday against every currency on the planet including the Ruble.

    https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/status/1573631769508724737/photo/1
    Saturday?
  • Andrea if you're about why do the polls close so late in Italy? 11pm v 6pm Germany, 8pm France, Spain, Sweden etc. Guessing it's a hangover from when it used to be Sunday + Monday morning voting? UK closes earlier and we vote on a weekday!

    And also you have one vote for each house (Chamber & Senate) but each vote counts for both the FPTP and PR results so you don't have separate FPTP and PR ballots as you would in Germany or Scotland?

    Thanks

    Historically we used to vote until 10 pm. Then, yes, during Berlusconi years, he added Monday voting until 5pm. Now they got rid of Monday but extended Sundays to 11pm.

    yes, we have only one ballot paper per house. We can't split FPTP and PR vote, otherwise the ballot is considered spoilt.
    This is how the ballot looks like:
    http://www.prefettura.it/FILES/AllegatiPag/1141/Fac-Simile_Scheda_Camera_-_Circoscrizione_Lombardia_1_-_Collegio_Plurinominale_1_-_Collegio_Uninominale_4.PDF

    Mille grazie Andrea :smile:
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    The Italians like electing a party that promises the world and fails to deliver and have been doing this for the last 70 years .

    The latest flavour of the month is the Brothers of Italy who will likely go the same way as the previous peddlers of telling everyone what they want to hear .

    Two of the right wing coalition partners Legia and the Brothers have made efforts to look more pro EU and as much as the UKs right wing trash papers will try and portray their win as the next step to Italexit there is zero chance of this especially as Italy is in line for a shed load of money from the EU recovery fund and the parties have dropped their anti EU/ Euro stance .

    The third partner Forza have always been pro EU so for those in the UK hoping for some company on Brexit Island the wait goes on !

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    edited September 2022
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Selebian said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interesting phrasing from GlosCCC:

    A second win on the bounce for Dale Benkenstein’s side wouldn’t be enough to save them from the drop, but would mean ending the season on a high as attentions turn to bouncing straight back up from Division Two next season.

    Sounds like they have already worked out the Strauss review is going nowhere...

    Hard to get a Handel on what's going to happen. Sure if they do drop, they'll be Bach.
    I think that they are on a Haydn to nothing myself.
    They failed to parry the enormous number of questions they were asked.
    They were quite clearly cruising fauré bruising.
    Their own fault, they are the ones whose actions with the Hundred saw the feathers Duruflé in the first place.
    If they don't want their feathers ruffled, they should stay inside the Byrd Cage.
    It took me 4 minutes and 33 seconds to work that one out
    I look forward to hearing a full length piece from you.
    This is just a prelude?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    That's more of a fugue.
    Truth is I like Phillip Glass music, some of it is very beautiful, like facades and closing. It’s all about the inflection in the music isn’t it - Is this really as minimalist as Steve Reich? When we done a video of our art exhibition it was my idea to use facades.

    Surely I am not alone in liking Phillip Glass?
    At his best!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWG43VGvuCc

    We might agree on something? 🥳

    I’m suspecting you had a hand in the advert? How does “life out of balance” (technology v environment) go hand in hand with promoting an energy company?
    You're full of surprises! (and very knowledgable). I more or less stole the idea from Koyaanisqatsi (Life out of Balance). The agency thought it a masterstroke. A happy accident.
    But it’s all wrong though, to use life out of balance - urban life and technology v environment - to sell an energy company? Isn’t it?

    Have you no sense of shame?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Every ten minutes today someone posted that poll 🥱
    It will be good to have some polls conducted since Friday. Will voters think 'tax cuts - great!' or will think 'the Tories are trashing the economy'?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    Foxy said:

    Who killed the EU cluedo
    It was Italy, in the Alps, with an election

    If you don't like the Italian government, don't worry. There will be another one along shortly*.

    *joke increasingly applies to UK too.
    Except in our case, it’s: worry - there will be another one along shortly.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    The Tories are now in denial, it's sad to see.

    All think tanks and institutions are left wing and wrong.

    The markets are left wing and wrong.

    The Pound isn't actually falling its the Dollar's fault.

    This is how you lose in a landslide, I would like to thank you for your work in delivering the next Labour Government

    Hugh Briss you say? I think Ive heard of him, yes.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
    Pound's down against Euro too.
    Fuck me that’s bad 😦
  • Westminster voting intention:

    LAB 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 7k sample
    Chgs. w/ 11 Sep
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    The pound (and selected other currencies) against the dollar, animated:

    https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1573936737814220800?s=20&t=TIJ0JLnqJ3hI6fFxjFqxSA
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Looking forward to Moon and G overanalysing the reverse of this midterm poll, telling us in great detail why the Tories are leading Labour by 12 points.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Every ten minutes today someone posted that poll 🥱
    It will be good to have some polls conducted since Friday. Will voters think 'tax cuts - great!' or will think 'the Tories are trashing the economy'?
    Seems like an age ago that it was wall-to-wall royal funereality on TV. That might wear off quite quickly.
  • https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-12-points-in-the-lead-as-starmer-pledges-to-drop-tax-cut-for-top-earners-b1027992.html

    The Labour Party are surging ahead in the polls after Sir Keir Starmer pledged to reverse the Government’s “wrongheaded” income tax cut for people earning more than £150,000.

    The latest Savanta ComRes poll of 7,000 people shows Labour 12 points ahead of the Tories as their annual party conference kicks off in Liverpool.
  • Westminster voting intention:

    LAB 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 7k sample
    Chgs. w/ 11 Sep

    Heading to Blair levels. Is it an outlier? Or sea change?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    carnforth said:

    The pound (and selected other currencies) against the dollar, animated:

    https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1573936737814220800?s=20&t=TIJ0JLnqJ3hI6fFxjFqxSA

    @StuartDickson what's the Sweden story?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-12-points-in-the-lead-as-starmer-pledges-to-drop-tax-cut-for-top-earners-b1027992.html

    The Labour Party are surging ahead in the polls after Sir Keir Starmer pledged to reverse the Government’s “wrongheaded” income tax cut for people earning more than £150,000.

    The latest Savanta ComRes poll of 7,000 people shows Labour 12 points ahead of the Tories as their annual party conference kicks off in Liverpool.

    I like how they try and conflate a 9 day old poll with something announced today, lol
  • Westminster voting intention:

    LAB 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 7k sample
    Chgs. w/ 11 Sep

    Heading to Blair levels. Is it an outlier? Or sea change?
    Paul Mason
    @paulmasonnews
    ·
    1h
    Labour's
    @Keir_Starmer
    is making the same stump speech in room after room of activists. Theme: we're ready to govern - and he's getting presidential-style response...
  • Keir Starmer’s Labour Party is on track to secure a 56-seat majority in the House of Commons, exclusive polling by Savanta for LabourList revealed today. We explored that research at our 2022 Labour Party conference fringe event this afternoon.

    Presenting the findings to members today, Savanta political research director Chris Hopkins commented that the these results would be a “redrawing of the electoral map” and would see Labour take “some real scalps” from the Tories – including defence secretary Ben Wallace, and former Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

    According to the multilevel regression and post-stratification (MRP) model, commissioned by LabourList and carried out by Savanta, Labour would secure 353 seats in parliament – an increase of 154 – while the Conservatives would lose 146 and return just 211 MPs.

    Savanta found a 12-point lead for Labour, with 45% of people reporting that they would back Keir Starmer’s party in a general election compared to 33% who said the same of the Conservatives.

    https://labourlist.org/2022/09/labour-set-to-take-some-real-scalps-from-conservatives-pollster-suggests/

    Keir Starmer, the most successful Labour leader since 1997.
  • Foxy said:

    Who killed the EU cluedo
    It was Italy, in the Alps, with an election

    If you don't like the Italian government, don't worry. There will be another one along shortly*.

    *joke increasingly applies to UK too.
    The punchline to the punchline being ‘which you’ll like even less’.
  • 154 gains would make Keir Starmer more successful than Tony Blair.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
  • It’s been a tough few days. The Government has launched an #AttackOnNature.

    But YOU have stood up for wildlife. In your hundreds of thousands. Because YOU care. And you are being heard. Thank you, all of you. 🙏❤🌍

    But there’s more to do … (short!) thread 1/4

    https://twitter.com/rspbengland/status/1574088113990909952?s=46&t=0dcSUy6bKsyYnm-m0fgX3Q
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404

    Keir Starmer’s Labour Party is on track to secure a 56-seat majority in the House of Commons, exclusive polling by Savanta for LabourList revealed today. We explored that research at our 2022 Labour Party conference fringe event this afternoon.

    Presenting the findings to members today, Savanta political research director Chris Hopkins commented that the these results would be a “redrawing of the electoral map” and would see Labour take “some real scalps” from the Tories – including defence secretary Ben Wallace, and former Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

    According to the multilevel regression and post-stratification (MRP) model, commissioned by LabourList and carried out by Savanta, Labour would secure 353 seats in parliament – an increase of 154 – while the Conservatives would lose 146 and return just 211 MPs.

    Savanta found a 12-point lead for Labour, with 45% of people reporting that they would back Keir Starmer’s party in a general election compared to 33% who said the same of the Conservatives.

    https://labourlist.org/2022/09/labour-set-to-take-some-real-scalps-from-conservatives-pollster-suggests/

    Keir Starmer, the most successful Labour leader since 1997.

    Surely 2001?
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    Checking out Italian TV election coverage through an app I have. Their equivalent of BBC One and a big commercial channel seem to have special editions of political talk shows rather than treating it as a news event.

    I can't imagine a special combined edition of Politics Live and Question Time would go down well as an election show here.
  • dixiedean said:

    Keir Starmer’s Labour Party is on track to secure a 56-seat majority in the House of Commons, exclusive polling by Savanta for LabourList revealed today. We explored that research at our 2022 Labour Party conference fringe event this afternoon.

    Presenting the findings to members today, Savanta political research director Chris Hopkins commented that the these results would be a “redrawing of the electoral map” and would see Labour take “some real scalps” from the Tories – including defence secretary Ben Wallace, and former Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

    According to the multilevel regression and post-stratification (MRP) model, commissioned by LabourList and carried out by Savanta, Labour would secure 353 seats in parliament – an increase of 154 – while the Conservatives would lose 146 and return just 211 MPs.

    Savanta found a 12-point lead for Labour, with 45% of people reporting that they would back Keir Starmer’s party in a general election compared to 33% who said the same of the Conservatives.

    https://labourlist.org/2022/09/labour-set-to-take-some-real-scalps-from-conservatives-pollster-suggests/

    Keir Starmer, the most successful Labour leader since 1997.

    Surely 2001?
    No, because 154 gains is more than Blair got in 1997
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
    Pound's down against Euro too.
    Fuck me that’s bad 😦
    2 tenths of a cent. Its minimal movement on low trading levels
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    IshmaelZ said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Every ten minutes today someone posted that poll 🥱
    You make my heart sing
    You make everything groovy, wild thing
    Wild thing, I think you move me
    But I wanna know for sure
    Was it alcohol and benzos for dinner, Z?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    So, no longer voting Tory?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1573963313989427205?s=46&t=XNZN_Kj9-PQx_w6Mx7C6dg

    “Joe Biden last week:

    “We're building an economy from the bottom up and middle out.”

    Keir Starmer today:

    “I would grow the economy from the bottom up and the middle out””

    And to think Biden got in trouble once copying from Neil Kinnock!

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
    Pound's down against Euro too.
    I was getting 1.19 a few weeks ago now they're offering 1.10. Not great for people with property in the eurozone unless you want to sell of course.
  • Westminster voting intention:

    LAB 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 7k sample
    Chgs. w/ 11 Sep

    Heading to Blair levels. Is it an outlier? Or sea change?
    It's the first 45% for Labour this Parliament, so a given that it is an outlier, but also suggestive of a trend. Lib Dems low again, possibly suggestive that the electorate have decided a majority Labour government's okay, and they don't need to hedge with a third-party choice.

    Conference season now, though. May as well wait until we're back on GMT before coming to any conclusions.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    I blame SKS
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Let us assume, for a moment, that Sterling continues to slide.

    The BoE call an emergency meeting and raise interest rates.

    How does Truss rescue her premiership?

    Can she sack Kwasi?

    Can he announce a reversal of his "fiscal event" ?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
    Pound's down against Euro too.
    Fuck me that’s bad 😦
    2 tenths of a cent. Its minimal movement on low trading levels
    , only doots to you Woolie, but to concedde anything to the yo-yo just should not happen.

    You know every joke about Euro comes with a 25 bp rate increase?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    BBC leading with Italy potentially electing a far-right prime minister.
  • It’s been a tough few days. The Government has launched an #AttackOnNature.

    But YOU have stood up for wildlife. In your hundreds of thousands. Because YOU care. And you are being heard. Thank you, all of you. 🙏❤🌍

    But there’s more to do … (short!) thread 1/4

    https://twitter.com/rspbengland/status/1574088113990909952?s=46&t=0dcSUy6bKsyYnm-m0fgX3Q

    Well per the Charity Commission, for the financial year ending 31 March 2021, the RSPB income of £118m included £1m in government grants and £15m of government contracts. If you campaign against the government, you should not use public money to do so. That's £16m of savings for JRM.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Exit poll. Sky.

    Broadly in line

    M5S up cf pre polling
    PD and FdI marginally down
  • Scott_xP said:

    Let us assume, for a moment, that Sterling continues to slide.

    The BoE call an emergency meeting and raise interest rates.

    How does Truss rescue her premiership?

    Can she sack Kwasi?

    Can he announce a reversal of his "fiscal event" ?

    Currently I don’t expect a further significant sterling slide, or an emergency BoE meeting.

    But I’m your scenario, I think Truss is shackled to Kwasi and vice versa. They come as a pair.
  • Exit poll for Rai

    Senate

    Right 111-131 seats
    PD and allies 33-53
    M5S 14-34
    Calenda-Renzi 4-12

    House

    Right 227-257
    PD and allies 78-98
    M5S 36-56
    Calenda-Renzi 15-25
  • Rai exit polls

    Lists for Senate

    Brothers of Italy 22-26%
    Democratic Party 17-21%
    M5S 13.5-17.5%
    Lega 8.5-12.5%
    Forza Italia 6-8%
    Calenda/Renzi 6.5-8.5%
    Green/Left 3-5%
    +Euroe 2.5-4.5%
    Italeix 0.5-2.5%
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Scott_xP said:

    Let us assume, for a moment, that Sterling continues to slide.

    The BoE call an emergency meeting and raise interest rates.

    How does Truss rescue her premiership?

    Can she sack Kwasi?

    Can he announce a reversal of his "fiscal event" ?

    You are just being silly now. Truss explained throughout her campaign , managed by Kwarzi, coolness with high interest rates, in fact their line is they should have gone up there already.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Foxy said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    So, no longer voting Tory?
    I have never voted Tory.

    If Johnson had more progressive policies than SKS it was a (still unlikely) possibility in 2024.

    However now the Tories have gone further to the right than Genghis Khan I will definitely vote either Green or LD (which was always the most likely outcome in a Boris vs SKS GE anyway

    Hope that helps.
  • Labour ahead in the polls? Tories on the slide?

    Bring in Owen Jones, he'll quickly reverse that
  • Foxy said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    So, no longer voting Tory?
    I have never voted Tory.

    If Johnson had more progressive policies than SKS it was a (still unlikely) possibility in 2024.

    However now the Tories have gone further to the right than Genghis Khan I will definitely vote either Green or LD (which was always the most likely outcome in a Boris vs SKS GE anyway

    Hope that helps.
    The fact you were going to vote for Johnson is hilarious. You are no leftie mate
  • Rai
    image
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 7k sample
    Chgs. w/ 11 Sep

    Heading to Blair levels. Is it an outlier? Or sea change?
    I'd still expect it to end up much closer, but it isn't beyond the realm of possibility when the government is taking huge gambles and there is much economic pain still to be felt. That it is a result of Labour being high and not just Tories low is important.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited September 2022

    Foxy said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    So, no longer voting Tory?
    I have never voted Tory.

    If Johnson had more progressive policies than SKS it was a (still unlikely) possibility in 2024.

    However now the Tories have gone further to the right than Genghis Khan I will definitely vote either Green or LD (which was always the most likely outcome in a Boris vs SKS GE anyway

    Hope that helps.
    No, it doesn’t help.
    If you are in a Tory / Lab swing seat.
  • Superb optics for Lab on BBC News at 10.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited September 2022

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)

    via
    @SavantaComRes
    , 7k sample
    Chgs. w/ 11 Sep

    Heading to Blair levels. Is it an outlier? Or sea change?
    It's the first 45% for Labour this Parliament, so a given that it is an outlier, but also suggestive of a trend. Lib Dems low again, possibly suggestive that the electorate have decided a majority Labour government's okay, and they don't need to hedge with a third-party choice.

    Conference season now, though. May as well wait until we're back on GMT before coming to any conclusions.
    Im not sure you can say 45 is suggestive of a trend. The seven polls conducted since this one have Labour on 39 to 42.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    carnforth said:

    https://twitter.com/freddiesayers/status/1573963313989427205?s=46&t=XNZN_Kj9-PQx_w6Mx7C6dg

    “Joe Biden last week:

    “We're building an economy from the bottom up and middle out.”

    Keir Starmer today:

    “I would grow the economy from the bottom up and the middle out””

    And to think Biden got in trouble once copying from Neil Kinnock!

    Hardly in position to complain, is he 😈
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Selebian said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interesting phrasing from GlosCCC:

    A second win on the bounce for Dale Benkenstein’s side wouldn’t be enough to save them from the drop, but would mean ending the season on a high as attentions turn to bouncing straight back up from Division Two next season.

    Sounds like they have already worked out the Strauss review is going nowhere...

    Hard to get a Handel on what's going to happen. Sure if they do drop, they'll be Bach.
    I think that they are on a Haydn to nothing myself.
    They failed to parry the enormous number of questions they were asked.
    They were quite clearly cruising fauré bruising.
    Their own fault, they are the ones whose actions with the Hundred saw the feathers Duruflé in the first place.
    If they don't want their feathers ruffled, they should stay inside the Byrd Cage.
    It took me 4 minutes and 33 seconds to work that one out
    I look forward to hearing a full length piece from you.
    This is just a prelude?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    That's more of a fugue.
    Truth is I like Phillip Glass music, some of it is very beautiful, like facades and closing. It’s all about the inflection in the music isn’t it - Is this really as minimalist as Steve Reich? When we done a video of our art exhibition it was my idea to use facades.

    Surely I am not alone in liking Phillip Glass?
    At his best!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWG43VGvuCc

    We might agree on something? 🥳

    I’m suspecting you had a hand in the advert? How does “life out of balance” (technology v environment) go hand in hand with promoting an energy company?
    You're full of surprises! (and very knowledgable). I more or less stole the idea from Koyaanisqatsi (Life out of Balance). The agency thought it a masterstroke. A happy accident.
    But it’s all wrong though, to use life out of balance - urban life and technology v environment - to sell an energy company? Isn’t it?

    Have you no sense of shame?
    Certainly have. That's why I had to charge £6000 a day.
  • Superb optics for Lab on BBC News at 10.

    Peter Mandelson and Alastair Campbell are back and are doing God's work.

    I told you this all months ago.
  • Exit poll for La7

    Brothers of Italy 23-27%
    Democratic Party 18-22
    M5S 13.5-17.5%
    Lega 9.5-13.5%
    Forza Italia 6-8%
    Green/Left 3-4%
    +Europe 2-3%

    Same story
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,961

    Exit poll for Rai

    Senate

    Right 111-131 seats
    PD and allies 33-53
    M5S 14-34
    Calenda-Renzi 4-12

    House

    Right 227-257
    PD and allies 78-98
    M5S 36-56
    Calenda-Renzi 15-25

    Looks like a clear win for the right in Italy then
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Rai exit polls

    Lists for Senate

    Brothers of Italy 22-26%
    Democratic Party 17-21%
    M5S 13.5-17.5%
    Lega 8.5-12.5%
    Forza Italia 6-8%
    Calenda/Renzi 6.5-8.5%
    Green/Left 3-5%
    +Euroe 2.5-4.5%
    Italeix 0.5-2.5%

    What happened that caused Lega to be eclipsed so much?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Every ten minutes today someone posted that poll 🥱
    You make my heart sing
    You make everything groovy, wild thing
    Wild thing, I think you move me
    But I wanna know for sure
    Was it alcohol and benzos for dinner, Z?
    Yup. Without the benzos.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Scott_xP said:

    Let us assume, for a moment, that Sterling continues to slide.

    The BoE call an emergency meeting and raise interest rates.

    How does Truss rescue her premiership?

    Can she sack Kwasi?

    Can he announce a reversal of his "fiscal event" ?

    Which bits can be easily revoked?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Scott_xP said:

    Let us assume, for a moment, that Sterling continues to slide.

    The BoE call an emergency meeting and raise interest rates.

    How does Truss rescue her premiership?

    Can she sack Kwasi?

    Can he announce a reversal of his "fiscal event" ?

    Sack Bailey, rates should be way above where they are already
  • Sky exit polls

    Right 42%
    PD and friends 28.3%
    M5S 16.4%
    Calenda/Renzi 7.2%
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    This thread has been succeeded.
  • What, really, is the impact of Meloni’s success in Italy?

    The country is quite fucked and has been quite fucked for as long as I can remember.
    Italy is not going to Quitaly, and Meloni is even anti-Putin.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    Where is yg with Tories on 23? Fake news?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited September 2022
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    The pound (and selected other currencies) against the dollar, animated:

    https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1573936737814220800?s=20&t=TIJ0JLnqJ3hI6fFxjFqxSA

    @StuartDickson what's the Sweden story?
    The reasons are not clear. It is in one sense simply a continuation of the long term devaluation which started in the 1970s. But the one common explanation you find for the current fall is: geopolitical uncertainty, ie the war in Ukraine. We have a sea border with Russia and we are not friendly neighbours. Any tactical nuclear strike on, for example Lvov, could easily depress the entire region, even if it didn’t lead to a global nuclear conflict.

    I note that calls are once again being made for us to join the Euro. Finland is a member, as is Denmark de facto (pegged).
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Pro_Rata said:

    Exit poll. Sky.

    Broadly in line

    M5S up cf pre polling
    PD and FdI marginally down

    The numbers:

    FdI 23.5 (about -1.5 on pre election average)
    PD 20.3 (-1)
    M5S 16.4 (+3)
    Lega 9.6 (-3)

    Others not yet displayed.

    A couple more points for someone else, but suggests Right bloc around 43, Left bloc around 27.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
    Pound's down against Euro too.
    Fuck me that’s bad 😦
    2 tenths of a cent. Its minimal movement on low trading levels
    Yes. But over two cents since the Not Budget. It isn't Dollar strength, it's pound weakness
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    This thread is older than Biden
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Scott_xP said:

    UPDATE:
    Currency trading has begun in Asian markets and the pound is down another half cent vs the dollar.
    Below $1.08.
    Small fall compared with what we saw on Fri but v much NOT the direction the govt would have liked to see.
    Could be a bumpy week.
    Hold tight... https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1574122578473525250/photo/1

    But To be fair. as Big G off pointed out, it’s strength of dollar not weakness of pound if all other currencies like €uro struggling against dollar as well. You can’t really make a point here without flagging up weakness of euro against dollar and strength of pound against euro for proper all round perspective.
    What on earth makes you think he wants to give a proper all-round perspective?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Whilst it is a big majority to overturn in one electoral term, and it is certainly usual for oppositions to be ahead midterm (unless you are the great Corbyn), I think it is fair to say that Labour currently look confident and assured (in part from not doing policy anymore than they have to), whilst the Tories look completely in a panic (due to their almost desperate urgency in changing economic direction and repudiating everything they'd previously done economically).
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    Where is yg with Tories on 23? Fake news?
    Its a Welsh voting poll. 46 to 23, 9% swing from 2019 in line with an 8% Labour lead nationally
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Exit poll. Sky.

    Broadly in line

    M5S up cf pre polling
    PD and FdI marginally down

    The numbers:

    FdI 23.5 (about -1.5 on pre election average)
    PD 20.3 (-1)
    M5S 16.4 (+3)
    Lega 9.6 (-3)

    Others not yet displayed.

    A couple more points for someone else, but suggests Right bloc around 43, Left bloc around 27.

    Forza Italia 7.5
    Green Left 4.1
    +Europe 2.9
    Renzi-Calenda 7.2
    Italexit 2.5
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-12-points-in-the-lead-as-starmer-pledges-to-drop-tax-cut-for-top-earners-b1027992.html

    The Labour Party are surging ahead in the polls after Sir Keir Starmer pledged to reverse the Government’s “wrongheaded” income tax cut for people earning more than £150,000.

    The latest Savanta ComRes poll of 7,000 people shows Labour 12 points ahead of the Tories as their annual party conference kicks off in Liverpool.

    I like how they try and conflate a 9 day old poll with something announced today, lol
    You are right. It is desperate spin.

    On PB we notice events actually often take days or weeks to move polls. Polling this week and next won’t even have last weeks budget fully moving it one way to tother let alone allow crazy spin you just flagged up. Oxygen of publicity should also artificially inflate Labour this week, will anyone salivating by poll rise acknowledge that?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    I prefer the YG one with the Tories on 23

    Truss is totally useless and out of touch
    Must be painful you as a Tory
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Selebian said:

    ydoethur said:

    Interesting phrasing from GlosCCC:

    A second win on the bounce for Dale Benkenstein’s side wouldn’t be enough to save them from the drop, but would mean ending the season on a high as attentions turn to bouncing straight back up from Division Two next season.

    Sounds like they have already worked out the Strauss review is going nowhere...

    Hard to get a Handel on what's going to happen. Sure if they do drop, they'll be Bach.
    I think that they are on a Haydn to nothing myself.
    They failed to parry the enormous number of questions they were asked.
    They were quite clearly cruising fauré bruising.
    Their own fault, they are the ones whose actions with the Hundred saw the feathers Duruflé in the first place.
    If they don't want their feathers ruffled, they should stay inside the Byrd Cage.
    It took me 4 minutes and 33 seconds to work that one out
    I look forward to hearing a full length piece from you.
    This is just a prelude?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    Would you like my Phillip Glass pun?
    That's more of a fugue.
    Truth is I like Phillip Glass music, some of it is very beautiful, like facades and closing. It’s all about the inflection in the music isn’t it - Is this really as minimalist as Steve Reich? When we done a video of our art exhibition it was my idea to use facades.

    Surely I am not alone in liking Phillip Glass?
    At his best!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWG43VGvuCc

    We might agree on something? 🥳

    I’m suspecting you had a hand in the advert? How does “life out of balance” (technology v environment) go hand in hand with promoting an energy company?
    You're full of surprises! (and very knowledgable). I more or less stole the idea from Koyaanisqatsi (Life out of Balance). The agency thought it a masterstroke. A happy accident.
    But it’s all wrong though, to use life out of balance - urban life and technology v environment - to sell an energy company? Isn’t it?

    Have you no sense of shame?
    He is in advertising...was it a rhetorical question?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    edited September 2022

    Sky exit polls

    Right 42%
    PD and friends 28.3%
    M5S 16.4%
    Calenda/Renzi 7.2%

    Hi Andrea

    Nice line.......

    “Nato sotto Mussolini non vorrei morire sotto la Meloni. Che Dio ci aiuti”


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/sep/25/italy-general-election-2022-results-live-giorgia-meloni-latest-news
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    I don’t see the point of banning polling two weeks out from the elections in Italy . I can understand a few days but it does some over the top to have that two week gap . It does look like Five Star have done better than the polls suggested and the right won’t get a super majority .
  • Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    It’s looking like the pendulum has swung.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    edited September 2022

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 33% (-2)
    LDM: 10% (=)
    GRN: 4% (+1)
    REF: 3% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, On 15-16 September,
    Changes w/ 11 September.

    Looking forward to Moon and G overanalysing the reverse of this midterm poll, telling us in great detail why the Tories are leading Labour by 12 points.
    No one plays it more straighter on polls than me. This is a betting site you know. 😤

    What we have Anablob, since Truss coronation an opinion poll graph currently with a clear uptick Truss bounce, the mechanics of which explained by Mike Smithson, where Tory % dropped it was losing supporters to don’t know, now this has been reversed by Truss for the Tory move to mid 30s in some polling - up five on previous comres from 30 so arguably still honeymoon built into new 12 point lead poll.

    Yes so I was a bit wrong, I pushed there would be no Truss up tick because she been in governments for a decade, so voters would wait for improvement, not expect it.

    However, what the table ALSO shows is since Truss became leader, Labour have yet to drop into the 30s, Liz also seems to firm up Labour support, those starting to flirt with Labour this year seem to have firmed up with him, of her or him for Downing Street.

    When it comes to polling, % trend is just as important to watch as gap between parties.

    But unless it is just a short term thing, the change in polling brought by Liz Truss is Labour support firming up and growing at expense of Libdem and green. Hence LLG if anything a tad down but with strong Labour %.

    Any complaints in my analysis from this weekend?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • Carnyx said:

    Pound getting pounded early trading. Dirty speculating turds. Short the Zloti!

    “Dirty speculating turds”

    Tax the bastards
    Set the Rabbit on them. No mercy.
    https://wallaceandgromit.fandom.com/wiki/Were-Rabbit?file=Were-rabbit.jpg
    Wrong rabbit..,

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tgj3nZWtOfA

  • The Tories are now in denial, it's sad to see.

    All think tanks and institutions are left wing and wrong.

    The markets are left wing and wrong.

    The Pound isn't actually falling its the Dollar's fault.

    This is how you lose in a landslide, I would like to thank you for your work in delivering the next Labour Government

    And yet you dismissed the focus group yesterday without considering whether it was significant
  • PeterM said:

    rcs1000 said:

    In April of this year, my family went to the DC area for a six night holiday. We rented a three bedroom house over the river in Arlington, and very close to a supermarket and the Metro.

    We spent $140/night for the four of us. We got cereal and tea and milk (and a bottle of red wine) for a few tens of dollars from the Giant supermarket over the road.

    We went to the Air & Space Museum and a ton of galleries. I also rented a car for three days ($80/day on Turo) so we could visit friends in Virginia and to see some battlefields outisde the city. We also ate out almost every evening. Mostly we walked or took the Metro, but we probably also took a few Ubers.

    Our total expense, pre-flights, was in the $2-2,500 range. But that is for four of us. And I wasn't noticeably skimping. So not cheap. But not the bare minimum £5k for two that was posited earlier.

    Cheapest hotel in downtown washington dc i can see in october is around £270 a night with average around £420. Bear in mind prices have likely inflated considerably since April
    Why would you stay in an overpriced place inside DC, if you can stay someplace less expensive (but same basic level) in MD or VA burbs?
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