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  • The Kyiv Independent
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    ⚡️Document on security guarantees for Ukraine presented in Kyiv.

    Zelensky's chief of staff Andriy Yermak and former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen presented the first document with recommendations on international security guarantees for Ukraine.

    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1569725760516005888

    ===

    Nice work Vlad. Well done.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Lol, ArmchairWarlord, a former Us army officer now popular pro-Russia Twitter cheerleader who has spent the last week trying to spin Russia's capitulation in Kharkiv as a strategic brilliance has thrown on the towel, announced they've stopped posting on Twitter and locked their account.

    He's at least slightly more honest thanbthe pro-Russians who seemlessly switched from "Izyum is in no danger, it strategically hugely important and concealed reinforcements will trap the Ukrainians" to "we never wanted Kharkiv anyways" in the space of 4 hours withour an ounce of shame.

    I attempted to engage another pro-Russian Twitter guy, but he has now blocked me:

    I'd appreciate it if PBers would help me out by asking what offense I committed to get blocked?

    (I was, I would note, scrupulously polite.)
    He looks rugged. I get a Trumpy 'sat on front porch with a rifle' vibe.
    I've looked him up: he does appear to be a real person, so I shall write him a letter asking him why he blocked me on Twitter
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,952

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Fwiw QM was born in London or environs, seemed to be the preference of poshos, even Scotch ones. Who knows how that fits in with with HYUFD’s ethno nationalist world view.
    The QM's father was a member of the Peerage of Scotland, as he became the Earl of Strathmore. Much of her childhood was spent at Glamis House in Angus
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,952

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    King Charles III making another scene today then? 👀
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Fwiw QM was born in London or environs, seemed to be the preference of poshos, even Scotch ones. Who knows how that fits in with with HYUFD’s ethno nationalist world view.
    The QM's father was a member of the Peerage of Scotland, as he became the Earl of Strathmore. Much of her childhood was spent at Glamis House in Angus
    So? Doesn't make her 100% Scottish.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Pity he threw it all away and discredited the conservative party who are now trying to repair the damage
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,876

    Quite confused as to how it is disrespectful to watch the football or strictly or stay in a wooden cabin during this period of national mourning, or for our MPs to do any work for once, but fine to announce redundancies for people who have worked at Clarence House, some for decades, for the new King.

    Mercifully we don't have to do this very often and haven't had to for 70 years.

    There seems an almost febrile determination among some organisations to be seen to be doing the right thing. The truth is you can't and won't please everyone. Stay open and you're accused of inadequate respect - close and some think you're going too far.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Until independence goes through, surely being Scottish is either a question of self identifying as such, or else it’s “could you play for Scotland” type rules.

    I would push for the former rather than the latter since, if I move to and live in Scotland pre-independence presumably I’ll be entitled to become a Scottish citizen. However, either way
    I reckon the King can claim to be Scottish. He could play for Scotland.

    He couldn't. Born in England, and 1/8 Scots by parentage. More likely to qualify for Greece.
  • Substantial crowds along the London route of the late Queen’s cortège.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,952
    edited September 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
    Thatcher had huge gravitas and intellect and a strong personality and presence but she did not always have the best interpersonal skills, it was her way or the highway and people were often terrified of her!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    Can't Charles abdicate and the seemingly unflappable Camilla ascend in his place? :D
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Lol, ArmchairWarlord, a former Us army officer now popular pro-Russia Twitter cheerleader who has spent the last week trying to spin Russia's capitulation in Kharkiv as a strategic brilliance has thrown on the towel, announced they've stopped posting on Twitter and locked their account.

    He's at least slightly more honest thanbthe pro-Russians who seemlessly switched from "Izyum is in no danger, it strategically hugely important and concealed reinforcements will trap the Ukrainians" to "we never wanted Kharkiv anyways" in the space of 4 hours withour an ounce of shame.

    I attempted to engage another pro-Russian Twitter guy, but he has now blocked me:

    I'd appreciate it if PBers would help me out by asking what offense I committed to get blocked?

    (I was, I would note, scrupulously polite.)
    He looks rugged. I get a Trumpy 'sat on front porch with a rifle' vibe.
    I've looked him up: he does appear to be a real person, so I shall write him a letter asking him why he blocked me on Twitter
    He's a fan of Big Serge who seems to be a nexus of the group of pro-Russian accounts I've been following.

    The mental whiplash of following Big Serge's thoughts over the last 5 days would floor a lesser person.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited September 2022
    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
    Thatcher had huge gravitas and intellect and a strong personality and presence but she did not always have the best interpersonal skills, it was her way or the highway and people were often terrified of her!
    I think you are confusing interpersonal skills. Boris definitely had charisma and public appeal that others did and do not, but his interpersonal skills as a politician are absolutely terrible - this is a man who blew all the goodwill he had as the winner of a massive majority, and he did it in less than 3 years. A large part of that is about his personal scandals, yes, but it also shows he was dreadful at managing his MPs. He could no longer convince them, charm them, or terrify them.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Lol, ArmchairWarlord, a former Us army officer now popular pro-Russia Twitter cheerleader who has spent the last week trying to spin Russia's capitulation in Kharkiv as a strategic brilliance has thrown on the towel, announced they've stopped posting on Twitter and locked their account.

    He's at least slightly more honest thanbthe pro-Russians who seemlessly switched from "Izyum is in no danger, it strategically hugely important and concealed reinforcements will trap the Ukrainians" to "we never wanted Kharkiv anyways" in the space of 4 hours withour an ounce of shame.

    I attempted to engage another pro-Russian Twitter guy, but he has now blocked me:

    I'd appreciate it if PBers would help me out by asking what offense I committed to get blocked?

    (I was, I would note, scrupulously polite.)
    He looks rugged. I get a Trumpy 'sat on front porch with a rifle' vibe.
    I've looked him up: he does appear to be a real person, so I shall write him a letter asking him why he blocked me on Twitter
    Perhaps you banned him from PB?
  • HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
    Thatcher had huge gravitas and intellect and a strong personality and presence but she did not always have the best interpersonal skills, it was her way or the highway and people were often terrified of her!
    She managed to persuade people to take her way for about eight years longer than Boris Johnson managed. You can't do that without some ability to engage with people.
  • kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
    Thatcher had huge gravitas and intellect and a strong personality and presence but she did not always have the best interpersonal skills, it was her way or the highway and people were often terrified of her!
    I think you are confusing interpersonal skills. Boris definitely had charisma and public appeal that others did and do not, but his interpersonal skills as a politician are absolutely terrible - this is a man who blew all the goodwill he had as the winner of a massive majority, and he did it in less than 3 years. A large part of that is about his personal scandals, but it also shows he was dreadful at managing his MPs. He could not longer convince them, charm them, or terrify them.
    Exactly
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    IshmaelZ said:

    MISTY said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Opinion
    The great Net Zero lie
    Our leaders just want to take control
    By Thomas Fazi"

    https://unherd.com/2022/09/the-great-net-zero-lie/

    Switching to renewable energy could save trillions - study
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62892013
    It was going so well and then I got to the word ''modelling...''
    Well, if you are trying to predict what will happen, you are modelling. If you catch a cricket ball, you are modelling. What alternative do you suggest? Oracle at Cumae?
    I have a ball of glittery hue and when it comes to the future that's what I use. I ball it.
  • stodge said:

    Quite confused as to how it is disrespectful to watch the football or strictly or stay in a wooden cabin during this period of national mourning, or for our MPs to do any work for once, but fine to announce redundancies for people who have worked at Clarence House, some for decades, for the new King.

    Mercifully we don't have to do this very often and haven't had to for 70 years.

    There seems an almost febrile determination among some organisations to be seen to be doing the right thing. The truth is you can't and won't please everyone. Stay open and you're accused of inadequate respect - close and some think you're going too far.
    Nah, those who complain about inadequate respect don't understand respect at all. There is nothing disrespectful at all about watching football, dancing or staying in a log cabin. And even if it was disrespectful, which it clearly isn't no need to ban it even then.

    And on the other side it is clearly extremely disrespectful for a man who has just inherited billions to announce a redundancy round for long standing employees who would have considered themselves at the centre of royal life during a time of national and royal mourning.

    You are being exceedingly generous in your excuses for this mess, the above decisions were all wrong and not difficult to make.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Alistair said:

    Strictly is delayed? Was the Queen going to be one of the celebs this season?

    Bake off is on though. Ep 1 tonight. Appointment tv. The only Reality I still do.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,152
    edited September 2022
    Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Until independence goes through, surely being Scottish is either a question of self identifying as such, or else it’s “could you play for Scotland” type rules.

    I would push for the former rather than the latter since, if I move to and live in Scotland pre-independence presumably I’ll be entitled to become a Scottish citizen. However, either way
    I reckon the King can claim to be Scottish. He could play for Scotland.

    He couldn't. Born in England, and 1/8 Scots by parentage. More likely to qualify for Greece.
    He's a big fan of Greece. In a Greek newspaper on one of his visits last year he said it was "part of his identity". Carolos, as they call him there.
  • Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry
  • rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Lol, ArmchairWarlord, a former Us army officer now popular pro-Russia Twitter cheerleader who has spent the last week trying to spin Russia's capitulation in Kharkiv as a strategic brilliance has thrown on the towel, announced they've stopped posting on Twitter and locked their account.

    He's at least slightly more honest thanbthe pro-Russians who seemlessly switched from "Izyum is in no danger, it strategically hugely important and concealed reinforcements will trap the Ukrainians" to "we never wanted Kharkiv anyways" in the space of 4 hours withour an ounce of shame.

    I attempted to engage another pro-Russian Twitter guy, but he has now blocked me:

    I'd appreciate it if PBers would help me out by asking what offense I committed to get blocked?

    (I was, I would note, scrupulously polite.)
    He looks rugged. I get a Trumpy 'sat on front porch with a rifle' vibe.
    I've looked him up: he does appear to be a real person, so I shall write him a letter asking him why he blocked me on Twitter
    It looks like he is moving to Substack anyway:-

    In the meantime, I took the opportunity today to create a new substack blog, and to migrate all of my older blog posts to that platform.

    I will, over the course of the next hour or so, tweet out new substack links from that body of older posts.

    http://imetatronink.substack.com

    https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1569487693138268160

    Send him one of those cashless cheques the guys were talking about earlier.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited September 2022
    Off topic

    iOS 16’s “lockdown mode” is rather good.

    Some apps/features apparently won’t work, but I haven’t had any problems, personally. Enabling it seems like a no brainier to me.

    I recommend.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Lol, ArmchairWarlord, a former Us army officer now popular pro-Russia Twitter cheerleader who has spent the last week trying to spin Russia's capitulation in Kharkiv as a strategic brilliance has thrown on the towel, announced they've stopped posting on Twitter and locked their account.

    He's at least slightly more honest thanbthe pro-Russians who seemlessly switched from "Izyum is in no danger, it strategically hugely important and concealed reinforcements will trap the Ukrainians" to "we never wanted Kharkiv anyways" in the space of 4 hours withour an ounce of shame.

    I attempted to engage another pro-Russian Twitter guy, but he has now blocked me:

    I'd appreciate it if PBers would help me out by asking what offense I committed to get blocked?

    (I was, I would note, scrupulously polite.)
    He looks rugged. I get a Trumpy 'sat on front porch with a rifle' vibe.
    I've looked him up: he does appear to be a real person, so I shall write him a letter asking him why he blocked me on Twitter
    Perhaps you banned him from PB?
    Or perhaps he really, really hates Radiohead?
  • Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry

    I don't get why so many people go to a draughty old place every Sunday and pretend to drink the blood and eat the flesh of the person they supposedly worship.

    Each to their own. If it causes no harm, who cares?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry

    Cos you don't got no RESPECK innit.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    IshmaelZ said:

    God they've brought the Harold and Maude mobile DOWN FROM SCOTLAND

    No they haven't.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,665
    Edwards' voice won't make it to the funeral. BBC need to get more people on.
  • HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
    Thatcher had huge gravitas and intellect and a strong personality and presence but she did not always have the best interpersonal skills, it was her way or the highway and people were often terrified of her!
    Other politicians. Her staff were very fond of her - while she may have treated her Cabinet badly she treated secretaries etc very well and was well liked by them who were more used to being treated indifferently at best.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry

    Nothing to apologise for. It’s different for everybody. I’m mildly sad she’s gone but that’s it. I also rather detest Charles, but am lucky to live in a time where that’s fine too.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,665
    London looks extraordinary.
  • I want to know why The Royal Welsh's "goat" has a tail that points down

    It looks like a sheep to me

    If you think it's a goat because it's not all woolly, then you need to play sheep or goat
    https://act.heifer.org/sheep-or-goat/


  • HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
    Thatcher had huge gravitas and intellect and a strong personality and presence but she did not always have the best interpersonal skills, it was her way or the highway and people were often terrified of her!
    Other politicians. Her staff were very fond of her - while she may have treated her Cabinet badly she treated secretaries etc very well and was well liked by them who were more used to being treated indifferently at best.
    Crawfie!!!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    geoffw said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    God they've brought the Harold and Maude mobile DOWN FROM SCOTLAND

    No they haven't.

    No they haven't, this is a Jaguar (?electric) with her cipher on the side and, coolly, no numberplate. Shame they couldn't get it to Balmoral in time.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    GIN1138 said:

    Can't Charles abdicate and the seemingly unflappable Camilla ascend in his place? :D

    It's more likely that Putin applies as a candidate for Mr Gay Fisting Champion of Russia
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Certainly more than Johnson but that would be fairly easy
    Boris had huge charisma and interpersonal skills, probably the most of any postwar PM after Blair and Churchill
    Nobody who lived in the UK as an adult from 1979 to 1990 would say such an extraordinary thing.
    Thatcher had huge gravitas and intellect and a strong personality and presence but she did not always have the best interpersonal skills, it was her way or the highway and people were often terrified of her!
    Other politicians. Her staff were very fond of her - while she may have treated her Cabinet badly she treated secretaries etc very well and was well liked by them who were more used to being treated indifferently at best.
    Crawfie!!!
    Wrong kind of sovereign. The £1 coin is being discussed.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Hmmm. He has thrown two hissy fits and his staff seem petrified of him by the reaction to the ink stain. Neither incident looked good.
  • JACK_W said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Can't Charles abdicate and the seemingly unflappable Camilla ascend in his place? :D

    It's more likely that Putin applies as a candidate for Mr Gay Fisting Champion of Russia
    Well, he’s likely to have to seek a new role for himself quite soon.
  • Flight tracking statistics regarding the final flight of Queen Elizabeth II

    In the minute after the transponder of C-17 ZZ177 activated, an unprecedented 6 million people attempted to follow the flight….

    70 years after her first flight as Queen aboard the BOAC Argonaut “Atalanta,” Queen Elizabeth II’s final flight is the most tracked flight in Flightradar24 history.


    https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1569755794375065602
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    King Chazbo's reign may be an interesting test of something. Does the public value causes and interests over interpersonal skills. Both are important, ofcourse.

    I think Charles has good interpersonal skills actually, probably better than the current PM and maybe even the Leader of the Opposition too
    Hmmm. He has thrown two hissy fits and his staff seem petrified of him by the reaction to the ink stain. Neither incident looked good.
    Underlings is OK. HYUFD approves of the old lord of the manor and serf social structure, as I recall from his comments on the Salop by-election.
  • Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Until independence goes through, surely being Scottish is either a question of self identifying as such, or else it’s “could you play for Scotland” type rules.

    I would push for the former rather than the latter since, if I move to and live in Scotland pre-independence presumably I’ll be entitled to become a Scottish citizen. However, either way
    I reckon the King can claim to be Scottish. He could play for Scotland.

    He couldn't. Born in England, and 1/8 Scots by parentage. More likely to qualify for Greece.
    He's a big fan of Greece. In a Greek newspaper on one of his visits last year he said it was "part of his identity". Carolos, as they call him there.
    I’m getting the impression Chuck is a big fan of wherever he is at any given moment, duff writing arrangements apart. He’s gonnae come a cropper at some point, ‘Hello Barrowlands, I love you all!’ when he’s at Covent Garden.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry

    Nothing to apologise for. It’s different for everybody. I’m mildly sad she’s gone but that’s it. I also rather detest Charles, but am lucky to live in a time where that’s fine too.
    Yes, so long as you don’t write that on a blank piece of paper in front of a police officer you should be OK.
    It looks like two types of event have been conflated. Funeral events, processions etc - you've got to be a complete dick to protest at.

    On the other hand the announcement or whatever it was of the adulterer seems fair game to me. I have some sympathy for the plod on the beat - it’s their superiors who consistently make the wrong calls.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    edited September 2022

    I want to know why The Royal Welsh's "goat" has a tail that points down

    It looks like a sheep to me

    If you think it's a goat because it's not all woolly, then you need to play sheep or goat
    https://act.heifer.org/sheep-or-goat/


    5/5 for me. Jizz is goat. Also because of Army mentality. Sheeps is dinner in the mess.

    PS: Isn't it Royal Welch Fusiliers? (Pedantry.)
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,152
    edited September 2022

    Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Until independence goes through, surely being Scottish is either a question of self identifying as such, or else it’s “could you play for Scotland” type rules.

    I would push for the former rather than the latter since, if I move to and live in Scotland pre-independence presumably I’ll be entitled to become a Scottish citizen. However, either way
    I reckon the King can claim to be Scottish. He could play for Scotland.

    He couldn't. Born in England, and 1/8 Scots by parentage. More likely to qualify for Greece.
    He's a big fan of Greece. In a Greek newspaper on one of his visits last year he said it was "part of his identity". Carolos, as they call him there.
    I’m getting the impression Chuck is a big fan of wherever he is at any given moment, duff writing arrangements apart. He’s gonnae come a cropper at some point, ‘Hello Barrowlands, I love you all!’ when he’s at Covent Garden.
    Well, yes and no. He's always talking about Greece as "the land of his father's birth" when he visits there, and has also visited Mount Athos about a hundred times. I think the key person there was probably his grandmother who turned up from Athens, chainsmoking and having become a Greek nun, when he was at a tender age in Buckingham Palace in 1968.

  • Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?
  • @turbotubbs How are you tubbs?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    JACK_W said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Can't Charles abdicate and the seemingly unflappable Camilla ascend in his place? :D

    It's more likely that Putin applies as a candidate for Mr Gay Fisting Champion of Russia
    Well I deffo get a "vibe" about shirtless Vlad on horseback... ;)
  • Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Until independence goes through, surely being Scottish is either a question of self identifying as such, or else it’s “could you play for Scotland” type rules.

    I would push for the former rather than the latter since, if I move to and live in Scotland pre-independence presumably I’ll be entitled to become a Scottish citizen. However, either way
    I reckon the King can claim to be Scottish. He could play for Scotland.

    He couldn't. Born in England, and 1/8 Scots by parentage. More likely to qualify for Greece.
    He's a big fan of Greece. In a Greek newspaper on one of his visits last year he said it was "part of his identity". Carolos, as they call him there.
    I’m getting the impression Chuck is a big fan of wherever he is at any given moment, duff writing arrangements apart. He’s gonnae come a cropper at some point, ‘Hello Barrowlands, I love you all!’ when he’s at Covent Garden.
    Well, yes and no. He's always talking about Greece as "the land of his father's birth" when he visits there, and has also visited Mount Athos about a hundred times. I think the key person there was his grandmother who turned up from Athens, chainsmoking and having become a Greek nun, in Buckingham Palace in 1968.
    I can see she would have been a breath of, er, fresh air. Was she the one that did good works saving people from the Nazis?
  • Flight tracking statistics regarding the final flight of Queen Elizabeth II

    In the minute after the transponder of C-17 ZZ177 activated, an unprecedented 6 million people attempted to follow the flight….

    70 years after her first flight as Queen aboard the BOAC Argonaut “Atalanta,” Queen Elizabeth II’s final flight is the most tracked flight in Flightradar24 history.


    https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1569755794375065602

    For the record was that a proper 6 million or 5 million and Leon and his various aliases?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    I want to know why The Royal Welsh's "goat" has a tail that points down

    It looks like a sheep to me

    If you think it's a goat because it's not all woolly, then you need to play sheep or goat
    https://act.heifer.org/sheep-or-goat/


    You need to get to know even-toed ungulates better.

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,152
    edited September 2022

    Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Until independence goes through, surely being Scottish is either a question of self identifying as such, or else it’s “could you play for Scotland” type rules.

    I would push for the former rather than the latter since, if I move to and live in Scotland pre-independence presumably I’ll be entitled to become a Scottish citizen. However, either way
    I reckon the King can claim to be Scottish. He could play for Scotland.

    He couldn't. Born in England, and 1/8 Scots by parentage. More likely to qualify for Greece.
    He's a big fan of Greece. In a Greek newspaper on one of his visits last year he said it was "part of his identity". Carolos, as they call him there.
    I’m getting the impression Chuck is a big fan of wherever he is at any given moment, duff writing arrangements apart. He’s gonnae come a cropper at some point, ‘Hello Barrowlands, I love you all!’ when he’s at Covent Garden.
    Well, yes and no. He's always talking about Greece as "the land of his father's birth" when he visits there, and has also visited Mount Athos about a hundred times. I think the key person there was his grandmother who turned up from Athens, chainsmoking and having become a Greek nun, in Buckingham Palace in 1968.
    I can see she would have been a breath of, er, fresh air. Was she the one that did good works saving people from the Nazis?
    Yup, saved a Jewish family from the Nazis, afaik. Supposedly he did find her style a bit of fresh air and felt close to her, too. Garrulously warm, chain-smoking, very, very moralistic, Greek-German.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Flight tracking statistics regarding the final flight of Queen Elizabeth II

    In the minute after the transponder of C-17 ZZ177 activated, an unprecedented 6 million people attempted to follow the flight….

    70 years after her first flight as Queen aboard the BOAC Argonaut “Atalanta,” Queen Elizabeth II’s final flight is the most tracked flight in Flightradar24 history.


    https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1569755794375065602

    I have flown BOAC which makes me a member of an elderly and diminishing club

    And BEA and PanAm
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061


    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Modi seems to be keen on pursuing relations with Russia, has done for a while
  • Carnyx said:

    I want to know why The Royal Welsh's "goat" has a tail that points down

    It looks like a sheep to me

    If you think it's a goat because it's not all woolly, then you need to play sheep or goat
    https://act.heifer.org/sheep-or-goat/


    5/5 for me. Jizz is goat. Also because of Army mentality. Sheeps is dinner in the mess.

    PS: Isn't it Royal Welch Fusiliers? (Pedantry.)
    3rd Battalion, The Royal Welsh
    https://www.theroyalwelsh.co.uk/3rd-battalion

    I was taught that it's always just in the tail - up goat, down sheep

    It's why I don't mind eating kids instead of lambs
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157

    Carnyx said:

    biggles said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    Dynamo said:

    Carnyx said:

    .

    Why does King Charles and the royal family hate the NHS?

    Hasn't he just taken a vow to defend the national religion?
    Just in Scotland?
    Didn't know we'd had a coronation with the Honours of Scotland. You may be thinking of the Proclamation. You get your (geographical) bit in Westminster Abbey, anyway.
    Can Nicola please state unequivocally that the Stone of Scone isn't leaving Scotland. C'mon - score the open goal!
    I really cannot see how doing so could possibly be a good idea, for the cause of Scottish independence, for the cause of republicanism, for the continuing legend of the Stone and therefore its pulling power as a tourism attraction, even for Russia (if that's your bag). It's an all round 360 degree shit idea. Do you have any arguments in its favour?
    I am an English unionist republican who is happy to ally tactically with supporters of Scottish independence in the context of getting rid of the monarchy - on the assumption of mutual respect, as in any tactical alliance. Something very good might come out of that, e.g. a UR (not a UK) comprised of four republics each of which has a proper (i.e. written) constitution that allows it to hold a binding secession referendum at any time but no sooner than 5 years after the last one, and which can change its constitution to say otherwise if it wishes, following the constitutional procedure for changing the constitution and without reference to a union supreme court.

    One of my probs with Scottish separatists is that some of them say they truly despise the Tories, a wholly laudable attitude to take, while unfortunately having an insufficient understanding of what the Tories are really about. ^ Said programme could be a help. Don't underestimate, Scottish friends, how much some English people detest the Tories too. As I have said before, WTF is the British monarchy other than the Tory party playing dressup? Many voters in Scotland whether pro or anti independence would agree with that characterisation. It needs to appear now in more and more minds: f*** the Tories and their monarchy.

    Dumping monarchy is a key goal if things are going to move forward in these isles. It is indispensable. Put it centre.

    What a load of rubbish. King Charles has more Scottish blood than English blood and the monarchy is at most One Nation Tory it is certainly not Thatcherite, for starters the late Queen got on better with Harold Wilson that Margaret Thatcher.

    Even Sturgeon backs keeping the monarchy as she knows she needs to convince soft Unionists who want to keep the royal family to ever have a chance of independence. Far left republicans are nowhere near enough
    Surely 1/4 mixed Danish/Greek, 1/4 mixed English/German, 1/4 mixed English/Scots and 1/4 English nominally.

    Unless you think that the royal blood of Charles II erases all else? Yet he was half POrtuguese ...
    The Queen Mother was Scottish, the royal family are also descended from Mary Queen of Scots more directly than Elizabeth 1st of England
    You said "more Scottish blood than English". But you're confounding place of birth and genetic propinquity.

    King George VI was English. His wife was born in Scotland, but the child of a Scot and an Englishwoman. That makes the [edit] late HMtQ 3/4 English. Unless you think there is something mystical about trhe blood of particular persons taken at random 400+ years ago. You could just as well argue that KC is Dutch - more direct and reliable line of descent there.
    Until independence goes through, surely being Scottish is either a question of self identifying as such, or else it’s “could you play for Scotland” type rules.

    I would push for the former rather than the latter since, if I move to and live in Scotland pre-independence presumably I’ll be entitled to become a Scottish citizen. However, either way
    I reckon the King can claim to be Scottish. He could play for Scotland.

    He couldn't. Born in England, and 1/8 Scots by parentage. More likely to qualify for Greece.
    He's a big fan of Greece. In a Greek newspaper on one of his visits last year he said it was "part of his identity". Carolos, as they call him there.
    I’m getting the impression Chuck is a big fan of wherever he is at any given moment, duff writing arrangements apart. He’s gonnae come a cropper at some point, ‘Hello Barrowlands, I love you all!’ when he’s at Covent Garden.
    Well, yes and no. He's always talking about Greece as "the land of his father's birth" when he visits there, and has also visited Mount Athos about a hundred times. I think the key person there was probably his grandmother who turned up from Athens, chainsmoking and having become a Greek nun, when he was at a tender age in Buckingham Palace in 1968.
    Good bit of The Crown that was.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    @turbotubbs How are you tubbs?

    I’m good thanks. Ramping up for the new academic year while still dealing with the end of the last, and trying to finish an epic paper too. All grist to the mill. You good?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Peter Hitchens
    @ClarkeMicah

    In France it is *illegal* for traders to refuse cash payments in lawful currency. Article 642-3 of the French penal code states that traders cannot “refuse cash payments for the settling of accounts,” and they can be fined up to €150 for doing so. We should copy this .
    5:08 PM · Sep 12, 2022"

    https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1569357341484613633

    We absolutely should not.

    If traders don't want the security risk of carrying or accepting cash then that should be their prerogative. Take your business elsewhere if you're not happy with that.

    Why do people like Hitchens want a big state to micromanage their lives for them? Let people choose what they want to do or accept.
    You choose to drive everywhere. Lots of people can't, so they are stuck if they are somewehre miles from another supplier.
    So what?

    Where you choose to shop, live and spend your money is entirely your choice. Whether you choose to learn to drive or not is your choice.

    Cash is a security risk that can lead to armed robberies. If someone doesn't want to take that risk, that is their choice, there's no law against that and nor should there be.

    If you're not happy with that, its up to you to change, not others to change for you.
    "Choice" is a libertarian shibboleth. But what will you say when you are 67, your licence is taken away or you admit you can't drive safely, and you're living out in the sticks to try and help your children and vice versa?
    What about it?

    Not a single part of that justifies compelling others to put themselves at risk of burglary or robbery.
    Instead they are putting that risk onto the customer. Given the £100 limit on contactless transactions now - introduced without anyone having the chance to object - it is far more dangerous for you to carry a card around now than cash. If anyone gets it they will be able to make purchases with a very good chance they will not be questioned or stopped. That is a far greater risk for the customer than dropping a tenner in the street.
    Good look getting much of a shop done for a tenner nowadays. My contactless transactions are secured by fingerprint too, so are far more secure than both cash or card.

    I don't carry either cash or plastic on me. There's no need for either anymore.

    If you don't want to carry a contactless card, nobody makes you, I don't carry one with me. Nor should any business be compelled to carry anything they don't want to stock, including cash. If you want to take your business elsewhere, then that's your freedom to choose, but if a business decides they're safer and more secure without cash even if it costs them your business, then they should have that right.
    Accepting the legal tender of the country should be a pre-requisite of running a business, just like paying taxes. There are still plenty of people who do not carry or own a card and only make purchases by cash. There should not be an apartheid system preventing them from accessing certain businesses.
    There is no such thing as "legal tender" in the UK, but electronic payments are every bit as legal as cash, so any business that accepts electronic payments only is accepting a form of legal payment. Why should they be compelled by law to accept other forms of legal payment like cash if they don't want to? Should cash-only businesses be compelled by law to accept electronic payments too?

    "Apartheid system" that is ridiculous.

    If anyone doesn't have access to electronic funds then they should be offered help or support if they need it to enable them to do so. If anyone has access but chooses not to use it, then that's their own choice.

    I know many people who have been victims of armed robberies. A woman I know had a machete held to her throat in Walton (Liverpool), while she was pregnant, in order for the manager of the business to open its timed delay safe.

    If a company in Walton decides they don't want to be at risk of a robbery, so they're not going to accept cash, then that should be their free choice.
    And I know far more people who have lost money due to card fraud. Of which there was £574 million worth in 2020 in the UK.

    Puts your physical robbery into some sort of perspective.
    Yes, card fraud is nowhere near as serious as people getting stabbed or held up in an armed robbery.
    People get stabbed for their wallets when they have no money. Again it is a straw man argument.
    Its not a straw man argument. Its a very valid argument.

    Firms that can put on their doors saying that they do not accept cash and no cash is held on the premises are reducing the risk of themselves or their employees being stabbed.

    Your argument is like saying there should be a law forbidding white van drivers from removing their tools from their vans overnight. How people manage their security is up to them, not you.
    Not if it infringes on the rights of others.

    It is the modern equivalent of banning Irish and blacks.
    I think that's probably going a little far, don't you?

    So long as a firm makes it clear what forms of payment it takes, then I don't see the problem.

    And we don't - for example - demand that Amazon has a facility for receiving physical notes and coins. So this seems like an arbitrary cost that is only imposed on small businesses.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Guy on Sky wibbling about how loyalty is valued in the royal household. Not any more apparently.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited September 2022


    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Britain in 2022 is a rather weak country. Our soft and hard power has been in serious decline for two decades. Perhaps there was some inevitability about this (compare with France) but we’ve undoubtedly made some serious defence & foreign policy fkups, too. Iraq2, brexit - and the pointless forever-war with Europe, the slimming down of our armed forces, the departure from Afghanistan.

    We’re a weak, shrivelled country compared to what we should be.

    Can’t blame India, really. They’re playing the real politik game, looking after their interests. They don’t need to listen to Britain any more.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Opening sequence of Bake Off knocks it out of the park AGAIN.

    Paul Hollywood as "Darth Baker" - lols x 100
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    Why on Earth is Charles so damn touchy?

    Because as I've been saying he's a dead loss and he's not up to it!

    The more we see of him over the next year or so the more apparent it will become...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    GIN1138 said:

    Why on Earth is Charles so damn touchy?

    Because as I've been saying he's a dead loss and he's not up to it!

    The more we see of him over the next year or so the more apparent it will become...
    Correct.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    It's a sad version of slow television. Is that still a thing?
  • The mass iphone lights are a thing.

    One for the historians.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Flight tracking statistics regarding the final flight of Queen Elizabeth II

    In the minute after the transponder of C-17 ZZ177 activated, an unprecedented 6 million people attempted to follow the flight….

    70 years after her first flight as Queen aboard the BOAC Argonaut “Atalanta,” Queen Elizabeth II’s final flight is the most tracked flight in Flightradar24 history.


    https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1569755794375065602

    I have flown BOAC which makes me a member of an elderly and diminishing club

    And BEA and PanAm
    Never made BOAC but BEA (Vanguard) and Pan Am (747-100). Also Aeroflot (Il-62, Tu-154). Oldest jet I flew on was a DC8 - built like a brick outhouse..
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Carnyx said:

    I want to know why The Royal Welsh's "goat" has a tail that points down

    It looks like a sheep to me

    If you think it's a goat because it's not all woolly, then you need to play sheep or goat
    https://act.heifer.org/sheep-or-goat/


    5/5 for me. Jizz is goat. Also because of Army mentality. Sheeps is dinner in the mess.

    PS: Isn't it Royal Welch Fusiliers? (Pedantry.)
    Don't bet on it.
  • The modern salute of respect is arms and hands high, iphone camera on with light.
  • ping said:


    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Britain in 2022 is a rather weak country. Our soft and hard power has been in serious decline for two decades. Perhaps there was some inevitability about this (compare with France) but we’ve undoubtedly made some serious defence & foreign policy fkups, too. Iraq2, brexit - and the pointless forever-war with Europe, the slimming down of our armed forces, the departure from Afghanistan.

    We’re a weak, shrivelled country compared to what we should be.

    Can’t blame India, really. They’re playing the real politik game, looking after their interests. They don’t need to listen to Britain any more.
    ICYMI:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/once-britains-largest-colony-india-meets-queen-elizabeths-death-with-indifference
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Sean_F said:

    Bloody tax dodgers, make them pay. Just think of the hospitals the NHS could open if the Royals paid taxes like the rest of us.

    King Charles will not pay tax on the fortune he has inherited from the late Queen, although he has volunteered to follow his mother’s lead in paying income tax.

    Under a clause agreed in 1993 by the then prime minister, John Major, any inheritance passed “sovereign to sovereign” avoids the 40% levy applied to assets valued at more than £325,000.

    The crown estate has an estimated £15.2bn in assets, of which 25% of the profits are given to the royal family as the sovereign grant. The estate includes the royal archives and the royal collection of paintings, which are held by the monarch “in right of the crown”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/king-charles-will-not-pay-tax-on-inheritance-from-the-queen

    The Crown Estate, in effect, belongs to the government, so that would not be an issue for IHT purposes.

    As to the rest, most would be untaxed under normal rules. Country houses that are open 25 days a year, significant artworks, are exempt, thanks to Roy Jenkins.

    Farmland gets 100% business property relief, and woodlands get a special light regime.

    Ok, so let us sell some of the assets off to help pay down the national debt.
    The return on the assets is quite good - why would you sell capital to pay debt?
    The Royals don't need all those residences.
    Just think how much Trump would pay for Buckingham Palace!
    Russian benefactors are running on empty these days. Maybe Deutsche Bank can help.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Episode 5 of servants of the people.

    Just genius.

    How did Zelensky foresee Trump?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    ping said:


    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Britain in 2022 is a rather weak country. Our soft and hard power has been in serious decline for two decades. Perhaps there was some inevitability about this (compare with France) but we’ve undoubtedly made some serious defence & foreign policy fkups, too. Iraq2, brexit - and the pointless forever-war with Europe, the slimming down of our armed forces, the departure from Afghanistan.

    We’re a weak, shrivelled country compared to what we should be.

    Can’t blame India, really. They’re playing the real politik game, looking after their interests. They don’t need to listen to Britain any more.
    ICYMI:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/once-britains-largest-colony-india-meets-queen-elizabeths-death-with-indifference
    Not really surprising if, as I have learned today, the vast numbers in rural India never knew they were part of the British empire in the first place.

  • The mass iphone lights are a thing.

    One for the historians.

    I think this may have been the start of it some seven years ago:
    https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pictures-middlesbrough-fc-fans-who-10350479

    Middlesbrough fans in ‘save our steel’ protest.

  • Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Yes. I understand India always face several ways at once and try and have their cake and eat it. Same way he gives sympathises over HMQ and then tries to whip up a bit of anger for his own benefit over other British monarchs.

    Modi is a nationalist and so we shouldn't be surprised he acts like one.

    I don't like Congress or the BJP so I don't know who I'd vote for if I were Indian.
  • Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry

    Nothing to apologise for. It’s different for everybody. I’m mildly sad she’s gone but that’s it. I also rather detest Charles, but am lucky to live in a time where that’s fine too.
    Yes, so long as you don’t write that on a blank piece of paper in front of a police officer you should be OK.
    Define irony: that page at the end of a book that says "this page left intentionally blank".
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    edited September 2022

    Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry

    Yes, it's all very strange but if it gives people closure then that's something.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    GIN1138 said:

    King Charles III making another scene today then? 👀

    He's the King, he's allowed to beat up on peasants and their leaky pens.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    IshmaelZ said:

    Flight tracking statistics regarding the final flight of Queen Elizabeth II

    In the minute after the transponder of C-17 ZZ177 activated, an unprecedented 6 million people attempted to follow the flight….

    70 years after her first flight as Queen aboard the BOAC Argonaut “Atalanta,” Queen Elizabeth II’s final flight is the most tracked flight in Flightradar24 history.


    https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1569755794375065602

    I have flown BOAC which makes me a member of an elderly and diminishing club

    And BEA and PanAm
    The golden age of air travel. Whisky soda, lots of legroom, no belts, marriage proposal from the stewardess.

  • Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Yes. I understand India always face several ways at once and try and have their cake and eat it. Same way he gives sympathises over HMQ and then tries to whip up a bit of anger for his own benefit over other British monarchs.

    Modi is a nationalist and so we shouldn't be surprised he acts like one.

    I don't like Congress or the BJP so I don't know who I'd vote for if I were Indian.
    "As a rising power, India can gain a lot from the U.K. but the U.K. can gain a whole lot more from India”

    Note that I do NOT endorse this message!

  • Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Yes. I understand India always face several ways at once and try and have their cake and eat it. Same way he gives sympathises over HMQ and then tries to whip up a bit of anger for his own benefit over other British monarchs.

    Modi is a nationalist and so we shouldn't be surprised he acts like one.

    I don't like Congress or the BJP so I don't know who I'd vote for if I were Indian.
    A Russian defeat will damage their prestige in India. Judging by social media, it's already having an effect on how Russia is seen.
  • The interesting thing in that clip is how Camilla manages him and picks up the pieces.

    With HMQ and DofE it was the other way round, and King Charles is 50% Philip.

    I hope he gets a little bit of private space to process it all after Monday next week.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    IshmaelZ said:

    Guy on Sky wibbling about how loyalty is valued in the royal household. Not any more apparently.

    For a lot of people loyalty flows in one direction.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052


    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    In the long run, I think actions should have consequences. We’re India to get too close to Russia, why allow it into the regional alliance to protect against China? (A pressing threat to India).

    Also: “What’s that Pakistan, you want to place a massive order for all that western kit that just outdid the stuff Russia has sold to India in Ukraine? Help us keep a lid on Afghanistan and you can fill your boots”.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Fucking love me a bit of Seville. Especially at night

    Must be the most unWoke city in the west

    First we’re gonna turn your beautiful Islamic minaret into a CHURCH TOWER. Then we’re gonna build an ARCHIVE OF PLUNDER next door

    Later on we shall be killing bulls. In a dedicated arena. For fun. Try the octopus and chili skewers. De nada



  • The interesting thing in that clip is how Camilla manages him and picks up the pieces.

    With HMQ and DofE it was the other way round, and King Charles is 50% Philip.

    I hope he gets a little bit of private space to process it all after Monday next week.

    50% Philip is definitely a good way of looking at it ..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    GIN1138 said:

    King Charles III making another scene today then? 👀

    He's the King, he's allowed to beat up on peasants and their leaky pens.
    I doubt he's ever suffered the madness of a biro no longer working even though it is clearly still full of ink, the lucky devil.

  • Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    Yes. I understand India always face several ways at once and try and have their cake and eat it. Same way he gives sympathises over HMQ and then tries to whip up a bit of anger for his own benefit over other British monarchs.

    Modi is a nationalist and so we shouldn't be surprised he acts like one.

    I don't like Congress or the BJP so I don't know who I'd vote for if I were Indian.
    A Russian defeat will damage their prestige in India. Judging by social media, it's already having an effect on how Russia is seen.
    #I_stand_with_Russia was a trending hashtag on Indian twitter in the early days of the invasion.
  • MaxPB said:

    Don’t get queueing to see the Queen sorry

    Yes, it's all very strange but if it gives people closure then that's something.
    Not sure it's strange. I'd like to go but I can only queue for 2-3 hours (max) after work and can't for 20-30 hours overnight.

    Plan B is to go to Windsor Castle and the Chapel later in the year when it's all calmed down.
  • biggles said:


    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    In the long run, I think actions should have consequences. We’re India to get too close to Russia, why allow it into the regional alliance to protect against China? (A pressing threat to India).

    Also: “What’s that Pakistan, you want to place a massive order for all that western kit that just outdid the stuff Russia has sold to India in Ukraine? Help us keep a lid on Afghanistan and you can fill your boots”.
    It's a fluid world as ever. The sands of alliances constantly shifting in the winds.

  • Leon said:

    Fucking love me a bit of Seville. Especially at night

    Must be the most unWoke city in the west

    First we’re gonna turn your beautiful Islamic minaret into a CHURCH TOWER. Then we’re gonna build an ARCHIVE OF PLUNDER next door

    Later on we shall be killing bulls. In a dedicated arena. For fun. Try the octopus and chili skewers. De nada



    I find it interesting that you haven't mentioned or commented on the death of HMQ once.

    Why?
  • Sean_F said:

    Bloody tax dodgers, make them pay. Just think of the hospitals the NHS could open if the Royals paid taxes like the rest of us.

    King Charles will not pay tax on the fortune he has inherited from the late Queen, although he has volunteered to follow his mother’s lead in paying income tax.

    Under a clause agreed in 1993 by the then prime minister, John Major, any inheritance passed “sovereign to sovereign” avoids the 40% levy applied to assets valued at more than £325,000.

    The crown estate has an estimated £15.2bn in assets, of which 25% of the profits are given to the royal family as the sovereign grant. The estate includes the royal archives and the royal collection of paintings, which are held by the monarch “in right of the crown”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/king-charles-will-not-pay-tax-on-inheritance-from-the-queen

    The Crown Estate, in effect, belongs to the government, so that would not be an issue for IHT purposes.

    As to the rest, most would be untaxed under normal rules. Country houses that are open 25 days a year, significant artworks, are exempt, thanks to Roy Jenkins.

    Farmland gets 100% business property relief, and woodlands get a special light regime.

    Ok, so let us sell some of the assets off to help pay down the national debt.
    The return on the assets is quite good - why would you sell capital to pay debt?
    The Royals don't need all those residences.
    Just think how much Trump would pay for Buckingham Palace!
    Russian benefactors are running on empty these days. Maybe Deutsche Bank can help.
    Funny, I thought they'd just taken their money to Dubai.
  • biggles said:


    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    2h
    (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet in Uzbekistan on Friday and discuss trade as well as sales of Russian fertilizers and mutual food supplies, the Kremlin said on Tuesday.

    ==

    Anyone else pissed off that one of our absolute key Commonwealth countries is dealing with Vlad?

    In the long run, I think actions should have consequences. We’re India to get too close to Russia, why allow it into the regional alliance to protect against China? (A pressing threat to India).

    Also: “What’s that Pakistan, you want to place a massive order for all that western kit that just outdid the stuff Russia has sold to India in Ukraine? Help us keep a lid on Afghanistan and you can fill your boots”.
    I think Pakistan has a more pressing need to rebuild after the flooding it's suffered in recent days.
  • kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    King Charles III making another scene today then? 👀

    He's the King, he's allowed to beat up on peasants and their leaky pens.
    I doubt he's ever suffered the madness of a biro no longer working even though it is clearly still full of ink, the lucky devil.
    Gel pens. I tell you, they changed my life mate.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Leon said:

    Fucking love me a bit of Seville. Especially at night

    Must be the most unWoke city in the west

    First we’re gonna turn your beautiful Islamic minaret into a CHURCH TOWER. Then we’re gonna build an ARCHIVE OF PLUNDER next door

    Later on we shall be killing bulls. In a dedicated arena. For fun. Try the octopus and chili skewers. De nada


    You sound jittery and hammered. Would benefit from watching some Bake Off to take the edge off.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Leon said:

    Fucking love me a bit of Seville. Especially at night

    Must be the most unWoke city in the west

    First we’re gonna turn your beautiful Islamic minaret into a CHURCH TOWER. Then we’re gonna build an ARCHIVE OF PLUNDER next door

    Later on we shall be killing bulls. In a dedicated arena. For fun. Try the octopus and chili skewers. De nada



    Even there, you can't manage sevillity.
  • kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    King Charles III making another scene today then? 👀

    He's the King, he's allowed to beat up on peasants and their leaky pens.
    I doubt he's ever suffered the madness of a biro no longer working even though it is clearly still full of ink, the lucky devil.
    Gel pens. I tell you, they changed my life mate.
    Paper mate?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited September 2022

    Sean_F said:

    Bloody tax dodgers, make them pay. Just think of the hospitals the NHS could open if the Royals paid taxes like the rest of us.

    King Charles will not pay tax on the fortune he has inherited from the late Queen, although he has volunteered to follow his mother’s lead in paying income tax.

    Under a clause agreed in 1993 by the then prime minister, John Major, any inheritance passed “sovereign to sovereign” avoids the 40% levy applied to assets valued at more than £325,000.

    The crown estate has an estimated £15.2bn in assets, of which 25% of the profits are given to the royal family as the sovereign grant. The estate includes the royal archives and the royal collection of paintings, which are held by the monarch “in right of the crown”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/king-charles-will-not-pay-tax-on-inheritance-from-the-queen

    The Crown Estate, in effect, belongs to the government, so that would not be an issue for IHT purposes.

    As to the rest, most would be untaxed under normal rules. Country houses that are open 25 days a year, significant artworks, are exempt, thanks to Roy Jenkins.

    Farmland gets 100% business property relief, and woodlands get a special light regime.

    Ok, so let us sell some of the assets off to help pay down the national debt.
    The return on the assets is quite good - why would you sell capital to pay debt?
    The Royals don't need all those residences.
    Just think how much Trump would pay for Buckingham Palace!
    Russian benefactors are running on empty these days. Maybe Deutsche Bank can help.
    Funny, I thought they'd just taken their money to Dubai.
    Well you are better connected than me in those circles.
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