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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028
    DougSeal said:

    My ex was nicknamed the ambulance.

    She made a lot of noise to let you know she was [that’s enough -ed.]

    Parked up outside waiting for you to unload?
    That is the post of the decade. No, the millennium. I want to like it twice.
    I’m here all week 😇

    Actually I’m not. My dad is driving me back to London and my other half I have been away from for a lot more than the intended 1 month tomorow, I won’t be posting when I get home, too much catching up to do 😉
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,717

    The GP service doesn’t work.
    It’s effective closure during lockdowns (and reduced service even to this day) has increased reliance on over-stretched A&E resources, including ambulance teams.

    If you started from scratch to figure out a primary care system that doesn’t just gatekeep but works to deliver preventative health measures, you would not come up with the current GP system.

    I think it's just patchy. My GP surgery is splendid - book appointments any time, take as long as you need within reason, get called in for preventive medical jabs, four GPs, one keener than the next. I went in with a had a minor problem a few months ago; the GP discussed it at some length, then rang me at 8 that evening; "I've been thinking about what you raised, and I wonder if we should try..." The catchment area is not uniformly posh - there'd an ex-council estate, ASB, and so on. We're just lucky.

    Conversely, a friend has a GP who still operates the "call between 8 and 830 or get lost" appointment system, is always hurried, and has missed at least one significant issue.

    So I don't think it's a rubbish system - it just has some rubbish practitioners, and it tends to be those who get in the papers.
    I've said this before, but out previous GP service in Romsey (Hampshire) was superb. Excellent. We moved up to Cambridgeshire where the experience was radically different.

    When people talk about an NHS postcode lottery, IMO the problem starts, and ends, with GP services.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,891
    Pulpstar said:

    Winter is coming

    Discontent rising.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Pulpstar said:

    Winter is coming

    Yep. Growing dark by 8:30.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    You havn’t gone and upset it 🫢

    Don’t answer the doorbell. I did once in the middle of Emmerdale. Sat on the mat was the snail I had thrown over the back fence the week before. I picked it up and it shouted WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR!
    It took a dead arse jug to remove it. I swear it would have justified a bucket. It was pursuing a smaller spider. I also evicted him. As a sacrifice.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547

    System said:

    The ambulance service is becoming a huge problem for Tories – politicalbetting.com

    Health Sec Steve Barclay confronted by angry member of public over beleaguered ambulance service: “Twelve years. You’ve done bugger all about it”. pic.twitter.com/9O5x1yUcU2

    Read the full story here

    Past form suggests we'll soon find out the man is a lifelong Labour activist.
    If you watch the clip you'll soon find out the man was a woman.

    If the woman turns out to be a lifelong Labour activist will that diminish the issue with the ambulance service? Or her point that the Tories have had 12 years to sort it out?
    Yes.
    No it wouldn't it.
    The '12 years' remark sounds like a bit of a tell to me. Most common or garden members of the public wouldn't be that precise about the Tories' time in power, but it is a very important point for opponents to stress.
    Well, haven't the Tories been in office for 12 years, Tory Boy?
    And labour have been in power in Wales longer and the same issues are manifest throughout Wales
    Wales is sui generis, though.
    It’s a seemingly corrupt fiefdom, headed by an ineffectual but impeccably on-doctrine priest.

    The only thing worse than Welsh Labour are the Welsh Tories.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,258
    Nigelb said:

    One of the most striking polls in 2016 primary campaign matched up John Kasich and Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania. Kasich was winning by 18 points, Trump, if I recall correctly, by 4. That wouldn't be a surprise to those who knew Kasich's electoral history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich#Electoral_history

    Kasich probably did get a boost from being from a neighboring state, Ohio. He is, of course, out of politics, now.

    But I think that example is more evidence that, if the Republicans nominate a rational candidate, they will have a better chance than if they nominate Trump, or a Trumpian.

    In general, Republicans do best if they nominate people from working class backgrounds, like Eisenhower and Nixon.

    (Incidentally, speaking of electoral records, you shouldn't assume Crist will lose to DeSantis. Crist has won more elections than he's lost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Crist#Electoral_history )

    On the latter point, the Betfair markets are now up for both Senate and Gubernatorial elections.

    I’ve put a little cash on Crist, FWIW.
    I'd put some on Mohammed, Krishna and Thor too as a hedge just in case.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    HYUFD said:

    One of the most striking polls in 2016 primary campaign matched up John Kasich and Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania. Kasich was winning by 18 points, Trump, if I recall correctly, by 4. That wouldn't be a surprise to those who knew Kasich's electoral history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich#Electoral_history

    Kasich probably did get a boost from being from a neighboring state, Ohio. He is, of course, out of politics, now.

    But I think that example is more evidence that, if the Republicans nominate a rational candidate, they will have a better chance than if they nominate Trump, or a Trumpian.

    In general, Republicans do best if they nominate people from working class backgrounds, like Eisenhower and Nixon.

    (Incidentally, speaking of electoral records, you shouldn't assume Crist will lose to DeSantis. Crist has won more elections than he's lost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Crist#Electoral_history )



    Reagan won twice from a blue collar background too. However that is not always the case. For example George W Bush won twice from an upper class background and Trump himself was the son of a multi millionaire. Bob Dole's background was pretty ordinary and he lost in 1996
    Trump’s not posh, though.
    He comes from the NY equivalent of Brentford.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042

    The GP service doesn’t work.
    It’s effective closure during lockdowns (and reduced service even to this day) has increased reliance on over-stretched A&E resources, including ambulance teams.

    If you started from scratch to figure out a primary care system that doesn’t just gatekeep but works to deliver preventative health measures, you would not come up with the current GP system.

    I think it's just patchy. My GP surgery is splendid - book appointments any time, take as long as you need within reason, get called in for preventive medical jabs, four GPs, one keener than the next. I went in with a had a minor problem a few months ago; the GP discussed it at some length, then rang me at 8 that evening; "I've been thinking about what you raised, and I wonder if we should try..." The catchment area is not uniformly posh - there'd an ex-council estate, ASB, and so on. We're just lucky.

    Conversely, a friend has a GP who still operates the "call between 8 and 830 or get lost" appointment system, is always hurried, and has missed at least one significant issue.

    So I don't think it's a rubbish system - it just has some rubbish practitioners, and it tends to be those who get in the papers.
    Patchy as hell. Which is a problem of the system.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,708

    Watching Truss in action live at Talk TV debate.

    LOL.

    Good luck Tories in marginal seats.

    Suggest you dust down your CV writing skills.

    I’m still not sure what Tory MPs think they’re gaining by endorsing Truss tbh. I’d stay quiet.
  • The GP service doesn’t work.
    It’s effective closure during lockdowns (and reduced service even to this day) has increased reliance on over-stretched A&E resources, including ambulance teams.

    If you started from scratch to figure out a primary care system that doesn’t just gatekeep but works to deliver preventative health measures, you would not come up with the current GP system.

    I think it's just patchy. My GP surgery is splendid - book appointments any time, take as long as you need within reason, get called in for preventive medical jabs, four GPs, one keener than the next. I went in with a had a minor problem a few months ago; the GP discussed it at some length, then rang me at 8 that evening; "I've been thinking about what you raised, and I wonder if we should try..." The catchment area is not uniformly posh - there'd an ex-council estate, ASB, and so on. We're just lucky.

    Conversely, a friend has a GP who still operates the "call between 8 and 830 or get lost" appointment system, is always hurried, and has missed at least one significant issue.

    So I don't think it's a rubbish system - it just has some rubbish practitioners, and it tends to be those who get in the papers.
    I've said this before, but out previous GP service in Romsey (Hampshire) was superb. Excellent. We moved up to Cambridgeshire where the experience was radically different.

    When people talk about an NHS postcode lottery, IMO the problem starts, and ends, with GP services.
    Ironically, GP services are the most free market part of the NHS system. Patients could transfer to other practices if dissatisfied with their current one but mostly they do not. (And most people do not live in one-practice villages although some do.)
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,212

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    If we ever get PR in Britain (and I am a perpetual pessimist), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a pro-business FDP-like party emerge. The Osborne, Sunak, Clegg tendency. They have much more in common with each other than they do with Truss and Patel.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,717

    There are two major issues here that need resolving.

    The first is the problems with A&E which mean we have ambulances waiting for hours with patients inside who can't even get in through the door of the hospital. This is clearly a major issue, perhaps the main issue and has got much worse more recently. .

    But the other one is the fact that so many A&E departments at local hospitals (where there still are local hospitals) have shut. In Newark and Grantham both A&E departments have been downgraded or shut completely. Ambulances cannot take you there if you have any serious conditions (heart attacks, strokes, anything to do with the digestive system) or if you are a minor. They are also shut at night. Instead they have to take the patient to Queens at Nottingham or Kingsmill at Sutton in Ashfield (for Newark), or Boston or Lincoln for Grantham. These are trips of at least half an hour even under blue light conditions. That means even if the patient is immediately offloaded into A&E the ambulances are at least an hour in the round trips. Often more.

    The NHS trusts say this centralisation is a good thing because it allows a concentration of specialisation but that doesn't take into account the extra ambulance resources that are needed to make this work. And in fact at both Newark and Grantham the number of ambulances have reduced not increased.

    The system is broken and someone needs to look at it and, in the short term at least, reverse the closures of so many A&Es.

    There's at least one other problem to add to yours: GP services. On a couple of occasions we have been 'advised' to go to A&E for things which, as a child, the local GP would have been out for. 111 can be good (see my earlier post), but every case sorted out by a GP means one less waiting ambulance, and one less need for an A&E when it isn't needed.

    The sooner problems are detected, the less serious they can be. GPs are the gatekeepers of the NHS, and IMV they are utterly failing at that role. But this will very much depend on the area you live in - hence postcode lottery.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    Watching Truss in action live at Talk TV debate.

    LOL.

    Good luck Tories in marginal seats.

    Suggest you dust down your CV writing skills.

    I’m still not sure what Tory MPs think they’re gaining by endorsing Truss tbh. I’d stay quiet.
    Government payroll outside cabinet is huge. Well worth a few nice words.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,717

    The GP service doesn’t work.
    It’s effective closure during lockdowns (and reduced service even to this day) has increased reliance on over-stretched A&E resources, including ambulance teams.

    If you started from scratch to figure out a primary care system that doesn’t just gatekeep but works to deliver preventative health measures, you would not come up with the current GP system.

    I think it's just patchy. My GP surgery is splendid - book appointments any time, take as long as you need within reason, get called in for preventive medical jabs, four GPs, one keener than the next. I went in with a had a minor problem a few months ago; the GP discussed it at some length, then rang me at 8 that evening; "I've been thinking about what you raised, and I wonder if we should try..." The catchment area is not uniformly posh - there'd an ex-council estate, ASB, and so on. We're just lucky.

    Conversely, a friend has a GP who still operates the "call between 8 and 830 or get lost" appointment system, is always hurried, and has missed at least one significant issue.

    So I don't think it's a rubbish system - it just has some rubbish practitioners, and it tends to be those who get in the papers.
    I've said this before, but out previous GP service in Romsey (Hampshire) was superb. Excellent. We moved up to Cambridgeshire where the experience was radically different.

    When people talk about an NHS postcode lottery, IMO the problem starts, and ends, with GP services.
    Ironically, GP services are the most free market part of the NHS system. Patients could transfer to other practices if dissatisfied with their current one but mostly they do not. (And most people do not live in one-practice villages although some do.)
    That has not escaped me.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    System said:

    The ambulance service is becoming a huge problem for Tories – politicalbetting.com

    Health Sec Steve Barclay confronted by angry member of public over beleaguered ambulance service: “Twelve years. You’ve done bugger all about it”. pic.twitter.com/9O5x1yUcU2

    Read the full story here

    Past form suggests we'll soon find out the man is a lifelong Labour activist.
    If you watch the clip you'll soon find out the man was a woman.

    If the woman turns out to be a lifelong Labour activist will that diminish the issue with the ambulance service? Or her point that the Tories have had 12 years to sort it out?
    Yes.
    No it wouldn't it.
    The '12 years' remark sounds like a bit of a tell to me. Most common or garden members of the public wouldn't be that precise about the Tories' time in power, but it is a very important point for opponents to stress.
    Well, haven't the Tories been in office for 12 years, Tory Boy?
    And labour have been in power in Wales longer and the same issues are manifest throughout Wales

    The only thing worse than Welsh Labour are the Welsh Tories.
    Rump UKIP under Neil Hamilton? They were rocking 1.6% in 2021
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    edited August 2022

    The GP service doesn’t work.
    It’s effective closure during lockdowns (and reduced service even to this day) has increased reliance on over-stretched A&E resources, including ambulance teams.

    If you started from scratch to figure out a primary care system that doesn’t just gatekeep but works to deliver preventative health measures, you would not come up with the current GP system.

    I think it's just patchy. My GP surgery is splendid - book appointments any time, take as long as you need within reason, get called in for preventive medical jabs, four GPs, one keener than the next. I went in with a had a minor problem a few months ago; the GP discussed it at some length, then rang me at 8 that evening; "I've been thinking about what you raised, and I wonder if we should try..." The catchment area is not uniformly posh - there'd an ex-council estate, ASB, and so on. We're just lucky.

    Conversely, a friend has a GP who still operates the "call between 8 and 830 or get lost" appointment system, is always hurried, and has missed at least one significant issue.

    So I don't think it's a rubbish system - it just has some rubbish practitioners, and it tends to be those who get in the papers.
    I've said this before, but out previous GP service in Romsey (Hampshire) was superb. Excellent. We moved up to Cambridgeshire where the experience was radically different.

    When people talk about an NHS postcode lottery, IMO the problem starts, and ends, with GP services.
    Ironically, GP services are the most free market part of the NHS system. Patients could transfer to other practices if dissatisfied with their current one but mostly they do not. (And most people do not live in one-practice villages although some do.)
    It’s a pretend-y market.

    Not that I’d jump straight in to make it more “competitive”.

    At heart, it seems we simply have too few GPs, and those we have are not paid/incentivised properly. It’s a throughput game rather than about quality of outcomes or service.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 8,112

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    Please post early tomorrow, so that we know you’ve made it through the night… :D
    I've got my bravest teddy on first watch. Veteran of the 'funny looking gross insect' incident
    What you need is a cat.
    If you have never seen a cat dealing with a September spider you have missed an experience. Chewing away, puzzled look on its face - "I - assume - I was supposed to do this, but I'm honestly not finding it as rewarding as I anticipated".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,992

    System said:

    The ambulance service is becoming a huge problem for Tories – politicalbetting.com

    Health Sec Steve Barclay confronted by angry member of public over beleaguered ambulance service: “Twelve years. You’ve done bugger all about it”. pic.twitter.com/9O5x1yUcU2

    Read the full story here

    Past form suggests we'll soon find out the man is a lifelong Labour activist.
    If you watch the clip you'll soon find out the man was a woman.

    If the woman turns out to be a lifelong Labour activist will that diminish the issue with the ambulance service? Or her point that the Tories have had 12 years to sort it out?
    Yes.
    No it wouldn't it.
    The '12 years' remark sounds like a bit of a tell to me. Most common or garden members of the public wouldn't be that precise about the Tories' time in power, but it is a very important point for opponents to stress.
    Well, haven't the Tories been in office for 12 years, Tory Boy?
    And labour have been in power in Wales longer and the same issues are manifest throughout Wales
    Wales is sui generis, though.
    It’s a seemingly corrupt fiefdom, headed by an ineffectual but impeccably on-doctrine priest.

    The only thing worse than Welsh Labour are the Welsh Tories.
    PC sit nicely between the two. I am sure the Welsh LDs would be excellent if there were any left
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    BREAKING: Britain has signed joint action plan with Ukraine to restore its transportation network

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  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,258

    Watching Truss in action live at Talk TV debate.

    LOL.

    Good luck Tories in marginal seats.

    Suggest you dust down your CV writing skills.

    I’m still not sure what Tory MPs think they’re gaining by endorsing Truss tbh. I’d stay quiet.
    Is the going rate not something like £20k-80k per year for her patronage plus pensions and leaving bonuses?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 10,172
    edited August 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    If we ever get PR in Britain (and I am a perpetual pessimist), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a pro-business FDP-like party emerge. The Osborne, Sunak, Clegg tendency. They have much more in common with each other than they do with Truss and Patel.
    LOL at your notion that jack up Payroll Tax and Corporation Tax Sunak is the "pro-business" candidate, as opposed to Truss. 🤣

    Truss is the one most like Osborne.

    Osborne knew that National Insurance was a jobs tax and cancelled Brown's tax rise, just as Truss is planning to cancel Sunak's tax rise.
    Osborne knew that competitive Corporation Tax rates help businesses and thus ultimately employment etc too so cut Corporation Tax leading to falling budget deficits. Sunak is reversing that that and Truss is going back to Osborne's policies that worked.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    The GP service doesn’t work.
    It’s effective closure during lockdowns (and reduced service even to this day) has increased reliance on over-stretched A&E resources, including ambulance teams.

    If you started from scratch to figure out a primary care system that doesn’t just gatekeep but works to deliver preventative health measures, you would not come up with the current GP system.

    I think it's just patchy. My GP surgery is splendid - book appointments any time, take as long as you need within reason, get called in for preventive medical jabs, four GPs, one keener than the next. I went in with a had a minor problem a few months ago; the GP discussed it at some length, then rang me at 8 that evening; "I've been thinking about what you raised, and I wonder if we should try..." The catchment area is not uniformly posh - there'd an ex-council estate, ASB, and so on. We're just lucky.

    Conversely, a friend has a GP who still operates the "call between 8 and 830 or get lost" appointment system, is always hurried, and has missed at least one significant issue.

    So I don't think it's a rubbish system - it just has some rubbish practitioners, and it tends to be those who get in the papers.
    I've said this before, but out previous GP service in Romsey (Hampshire) was superb. Excellent. We moved up to Cambridgeshire where the experience was radically different.

    When people talk about an NHS postcode lottery, IMO the problem starts, and ends, with GP services.
    Ironically, GP services are the most free market part of the NHS system. Patients could transfer to other practices if dissatisfied with their current one but mostly they do not. (And most people do not live in one-practice villages although some do.)
    That has not escaped me.
    We have one surgery for a town of 18,000. Who the hell would I transfer to? We don’t all live in cities.
  • Immediately pre-hustings:-

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14 Rishi Sunak 7%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14.5 Rishi Sunak 7%

    Afterwards

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14 Rishi Sunak 7%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14 Rishi Sunak 7%
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    edited August 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    If we ever get PR in Britain (and I am a perpetual pessimist), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a pro-business FDP-like party emerge. The Osborne, Sunak, Clegg tendency. They have much more in common with each other than they do with Truss and Patel.
    LOL at your notion that jack up Payroll Tax and Corporation Tax Sunak is the "pro-business" candidate, as opposed to Truss. 🤣
    They both served loyally in the “Fuck Business” cabinet.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    Cookie said:

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    Please post early tomorrow, so that we know you’ve made it through the night… :D
    I've got my bravest teddy on first watch. Veteran of the 'funny looking gross insect' incident
    What you need is a cat.
    If you have never seen a cat dealing with a September spider you have missed an experience. Chewing away, puzzled look on its face - "I - assume - I was supposed to do this, but I'm honestly not finding it as rewarding as I anticipated".
    Cookie said:

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    Please post early tomorrow, so that we know you’ve made it through the night… :D
    I've got my bravest teddy on first watch. Veteran of the 'funny looking gross insect' incident
    What you need is a cat.
    If you have never seen a cat dealing with a September spider you have missed an experience. Chewing away, puzzled look on its face - "I - assume - I was supposed to do this, but I'm honestly not finding it as rewarding as I anticipated".
    I do want a cat as cats and I have long term shared nefarious plans but in an upstairs flat it seems a bit cruel
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147

    HYUFD said:

    One of the most striking polls in 2016 primary campaign matched up John Kasich and Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania. Kasich was winning by 18 points, Trump, if I recall correctly, by 4. That wouldn't be a surprise to those who knew Kasich's electoral history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich#Electoral_history

    Kasich probably did get a boost from being from a neighboring state, Ohio. He is, of course, out of politics, now.

    But I think that example is more evidence that, if the Republicans nominate a rational candidate, they will have a better chance than if they nominate Trump, or a Trumpian.

    In general, Republicans do best if they nominate people from working class backgrounds, like Eisenhower and Nixon.

    (Incidentally, speaking of electoral records, you shouldn't assume Crist will lose to DeSantis. Crist has won more elections than he's lost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Crist#Electoral_history )



    Reagan won twice from a blue collar background too. However that is not always the case. For example George W Bush won twice from an upper class background and Trump himself was the son of a multi millionaire. Bob Dole's background was pretty ordinary and he lost in 1996
    Trump’s not posh, though.
    He comes from the NY equivalent of Brentford.
    He isn't posh ie not an establishment WASP but he was born into money
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    Immediately pre-hustings:-

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14 Rishi Sunak 7%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14.5 Rishi Sunak 7%

    Afterwards

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14 Rishi Sunak 7%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    14 Rishi Sunak 7%
    Norwich thanks them for their pointless little debate. Just 1 to go
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    Yes and as soon as the LDs went into government under FPTP let alone PR their vote collapsed while the UKIP vote surged
  • CookieCookie Posts: 8,112

    Cookie said:

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    Please post early tomorrow, so that we know you’ve made it through the night… :D
    I've got my bravest teddy on first watch. Veteran of the 'funny looking gross insect' incident
    What you need is a cat.
    If you have never seen a cat dealing with a September spider you have missed an experience. Chewing away, puzzled look on its face - "I - assume - I was supposed to do this, but I'm honestly not finding it as rewarding as I anticipated".
    Cookie said:

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    Please post early tomorrow, so that we know you’ve made it through the night… :D
    I've got my bravest teddy on first watch. Veteran of the 'funny looking gross insect' incident
    What you need is a cat.
    If you have never seen a cat dealing with a September spider you have missed an experience. Chewing away, puzzled look on its face - "I - assume - I was supposed to do this, but I'm honestly not finding it as rewarding as I anticipated".
    I do want a cat as cats and I have long term shared nefarious plans but in an upstairs flat it seems a bit cruel
    Yes, fair enough. They like a bit of outside space. Though ours have taken to coming and going primarily by means of aj upstairs window which leads onto a roof. I suspect just to be contrary, frankly.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    If we ever get PR in Britain (and I am a perpetual pessimist), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a pro-business FDP-like party emerge. The Osborne, Sunak, Clegg tendency. They have much more in common with each other than they do with Truss and Patel.
    LOL at your notion that jack up Payroll Tax and Corporation Tax Sunak is the "pro-business" candidate, as opposed to Truss. 🤣
    They both served loyally in the “Fuck Business” cabinet.
    But only Sunak actively sought to fuck businesses with NI tax rises and corporation tax rises.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 2,968
    edited August 2022
    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    Please post early tomorrow, so that we know you’ve made it through the night… :D
    I've got my bravest teddy on first watch. Veteran of the 'funny looking gross insect' incident
    What you need is a cat.
    If you have never seen a cat dealing with a September spider you have missed an experience. Chewing away, puzzled look on its face - "I - assume - I was supposed to do this, but I'm honestly not finding it as rewarding as I anticipated".
    Cookie said:

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    Please post early tomorrow, so that we know you’ve made it through the night… :D
    I've got my bravest teddy on first watch. Veteran of the 'funny looking gross insect' incident
    What you need is a cat.
    If you have never seen a cat dealing with a September spider you have missed an experience. Chewing away, puzzled look on its face - "I - assume - I was supposed to do this, but I'm honestly not finding it as rewarding as I anticipated".
    I do want a cat as cats and I have long term shared nefarious plans but in an upstairs flat it seems a bit cruel
    Yes, fair enough. They like a bit of outside space. Though ours have taken to coming and going primarily by means of aj upstairs window which leads onto a roof. I suspect just to be contrary, frankly.
    Im sure they checked it would be slightly annoying and inconvenient first.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    If we ever get PR in Britain (and I am a perpetual pessimist), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a pro-business FDP-like party emerge. The Osborne, Sunak, Clegg tendency. They have much more in common with each other than they do with Truss and Patel.
    LOL at your notion that jack up Payroll Tax and Corporation Tax Sunak is the "pro-business" candidate, as opposed to Truss. 🤣

    Truss is the one most like Osborne.

    Osborne knew that National Insurance was a jobs tax and cancelled Brown's tax rise, just as Truss is planning to cancel Sunak's tax rise.
    Osborne knew that competitive Corporation Tax rates help businesses and thus ultimately employment etc too so cut Corporation Tax leading to falling budget deficits. Sunak is reversing that that and Truss is going back to Osborne's policies that worked.
    Sunak's position is that Osborne's corporation tax policy has now been shown not to have worked.
  • Spectator TV on Rishi's lockdown scepticism.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwIjRwFF_vg
  • We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,853
    stodge said:

    I've not seen much comment (specifically) on the continuing rice in natural gas prices. Up to £6.44 per therm today which is frightening compared with where it was pre the Ukraine conflict.

    This seems to this observer to be what we should be concerned about rather than oil which seems to be settling in the $90 - $100 per barrel range at least for now.

    The GP service doesn’t work.
    It’s effective closure during lockdowns (and reduced service even to this day) has increased reliance on over-stretched A&E resources, including ambulance teams.

    If you started from scratch to figure out a primary care system that doesn’t just gatekeep but works to deliver preventative health measures, you would not come up with the current GP system.

    I think it's just patchy. My GP surgery is splendid - book appointments any time, take as long as you need within reason, get called in for preventive medical jabs, four GPs, one keener than the next. I went in with a had a minor problem a few months ago; the GP discussed it at some length, then rang me at 8 that evening; "I've been thinking about what you raised, and I wonder if we should try..." The catchment area is not uniformly posh - there'd an ex-council estate, ASB, and so on. We're just lucky.

    Conversely, a friend has a GP who still operates the "call between 8 and 830 or get lost" appointment system, is always hurried, and has missed at least one significant issue.

    So I don't think it's a rubbish system - it just has some rubbish practitioners, and it tends to be those who get in the papers.
    I've said this before, but out previous GP service in Romsey (Hampshire) was superb. Excellent. We moved up to Cambridgeshire where the experience was radically different.

    When people talk about an NHS postcode lottery, IMO the problem starts, and ends, with GP services.
    Ironically, GP services are the most free market part of the NHS system. Patients could transfer to other practices if dissatisfied with their current one but mostly they do not. (And most people do not live in one-practice villages although some do.)
    That has not escaped me.
    We have one surgery for a town of 18,000. Who the hell would I transfer to? We don’t all live in cities.
    Oh snap I had no idea people had a choice. Thought everyone just had the surgery for their area
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    If we ever get PR in Britain (and I am a perpetual pessimist), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a pro-business FDP-like party emerge. The Osborne, Sunak, Clegg tendency. They have much more in common with each other than they do with Truss and Patel.
    LOL at your notion that jack up Payroll Tax and Corporation Tax Sunak is the "pro-business" candidate, as opposed to Truss. 🤣

    Truss is the one most like Osborne.

    Osborne knew that National Insurance was a jobs tax and cancelled Brown's tax rise, just as Truss is planning to cancel Sunak's tax rise.
    Osborne knew that competitive Corporation Tax rates help businesses and thus ultimately employment etc too so cut Corporation Tax leading to falling budget deficits. Sunak is reversing that that and Truss is going back to Osborne's policies that worked.
    Sunak's position is that Osborne's corporation tax policy has now been shown not to have worked.
    Because he's a Gordon Brown tax riser. Hence why he put up NI too.

    He's wrong. Completely wrong.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    'Theyre a massive issue but solving the issue is not the answer'
    Twit
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,955
    US Senate Races on Betfair, quick thoughts

    Alabama - there's 0.1% to make by selling the Dems at 990. Should you desire to lock your money up for two and a half months.

    Ditto Alaska. Only with ranked choice voting, it's probably even safer than Alabama

    Arizona - You can bet on the Republicans at 3s. While Masters is a truly dreadful candidate, that's probably value.

    Arkansas - there's 0.5% to be made selling the Dems there

    Colorado - I would put a little Republican lay in at 6.4/6.6 see if anyone bit

    Connecticut. Like with AZ, AK and AS, there's tiny sums to be made betting on the obvious favourte. I wouldn't bother personally.

    Florida - 1.19 on the Republicans is too generous. Buy.

    Georgia - Dems are almost value here: maybe a little nibble at 1.56

    North Carolina - the odds are out of line with 538, which has this as a very good chance of a Dem pick up. That being said, I don't see it. Avoid this market.

    New Hampshire. Bet on the Dems at 1.23.

    Nevada - I would put a lay in on the Dems at 1.65 and see if anyone bites.

    Ohio. Bet on the Republicans at 1.24. Real odds should be more like 1.18.

    Pennsylvania. 1.27 is not generous for the Dems. I would avoid this market.

    Wisconsin. Phew, difficult one. Republicans need to favourites. If I could get on them at 1.7, I think I would.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 55,345
    edited August 2022
    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
  • We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    She's right though, on the first and third at least.

    What's your problem? I thought you wanted rid of a PM who was a liar and get someone prepared to tell the truth?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,258

    We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Graham Brady better not book any holidays this winter.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
  • murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Nonsense

    It demonstrates that in both England and Wales and indeed Scotland the same issue applies despite the political input of three political parties, Conservatives, Labour and SNP and seemingly none of them have the answer
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,891
    I see Vlad the Invader has decreed a 10% increase in military personnel. Is that an admission that his army has been decimated?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,258

    We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
    On the last point, the answer certainly involves central government bunging money at it. That really is obvious to anyone who lives in the real world, as otherwise bills will go unpaid through a mix of can't pay and won't pay, and then even more suppliers will go bust. The exact mechanism is up for debate, but Truss is in silly denial over whether the govt needs to fund it. She will u-turn well before halloween.
  • We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Graham Brady better not book any holidays this winter.
    What is Gove?
    Oh, Brady, don't hurt me
    Don't hurt me
    No more
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 706
    edited August 2022
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    I've not seen much comment (specifically) on the continuing rice in natural gas prices. Up to £6.44 per therm today which is frightening compared with where it was pre the Ukraine conflict.

    This seems to this observer to be what we should be concerned about rather than oil which seems to be settling in the $90 - $100 per barrel range at least for now.

    How many kWh in a therm again? Google convert has a US and a UK therm, neither of which makes sense to me at £6.44 per therm (presumably wholesale?)
    There seem to be 29.3 kilowatt hours in a therm so that would come out to 22p per kilowatt hour.
    Are there any volumes of gas actually being traded at these prices? I think if I was a buyer for a big utility outfit I would have had attempted to buy futures for next winter several months ago - it's been obvious for ages that there isn't enough to go round, and the price is going to go crazy accordingly.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 10,172
    edited August 2022

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    Brown trashed the economy and left us having 33% of government expenditure being borrowed.

    Yes it took a decade of austerity to fix that. To merge the conversation with one earlier it took forty to fifty years for some areas bombed by the Germans to recover from the damage inflicted, expecting in 12 years the government to be able to click their heels three times and wipe out the damage Brown is a bit rich.
  • I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    Some of us were bomb Paris long before Brexit.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,376

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    It would feel quite at home coming from Macron. He's said worse before. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
  • murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    You clearly have not been following my very consistent condemnation of the shenanigans of the conservative party, and it may not be here or there to you living in the USA, but it sure as anything matters to those of us in Wales who are experiencing the same issues and Wales Labour have no answers

    In Wales it is the Labour party who are responsible for our failing NHS
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    It’s a matter of scale, surely. We are not about to go to war with France nor are they with us. We are family. We squabble. But when the chips are down we are family. We stood by the french in 1914. We did the same in 1939. And then helped liberate them in 1944, for which we have never been forgiven.
    But we are family.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    I guess PA's odds might also be a factor of Fetterman's health. I think they are past the date where a candidate can be replaced so, if he had another stroke, that would throw the dynamics up in the air.

    I'm waiting a bit longer to plunge in. I think the R v W has boosted the Democrat performance - and it can be seen in the special elections - but the question is whether it lasts into November and / or fades, and / or is counteracted by a rise in Republican turnout.
    rcs1000 said:

    US Senate Races on Betfair, quick thoughts

    Alabama - there's 0.1% to make by selling the Dems at 990. Should you desire to lock your money up for two and a half months.

    Ditto Alaska. Only with ranked choice voting, it's probably even safer than Alabama

    Arizona - You can bet on the Republicans at 3s. While Masters is a truly dreadful candidate, that's probably value.

    Arkansas - there's 0.5% to be made selling the Dems there

    Colorado - I would put a little Republican lay in at 6.4/6.6 see if anyone bit

    Connecticut. Like with AZ, AK and AS, there's tiny sums to be made betting on the obvious favourte. I wouldn't bother personally.

    Florida - 1.19 on the Republicans is too generous. Buy.

    Georgia - Dems are almost value here: maybe a little nibble at 1.56

    North Carolina - the odds are out of line with 538, which has this as a very good chance of a Dem pick up. That being said, I don't see it. Avoid this market.

    New Hampshire. Bet on the Dems at 1.23.

    Nevada - I would put a lay in on the Dems at 1.65 and see if anyone bites.

    Ohio. Bet on the Republicans at 1.24. Real odds should be more like 1.18.

    Pennsylvania. 1.27 is not generous for the Dems. I would avoid this market.

    Wisconsin. Phew, difficult one. Republicans need to favourites. If I could get on them at 1.7, I think I would.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
    Nothing works in Wales either, but they don’t work for different reasons.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 43,306

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    Macron explicitly said that not proceeding with the NIP legislation was a condition to remain friends with the UK.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    Macron explicitly said that not proceeding with the NIP legislation was a condition to remain friends with the UK.
    Fair enough, since it’s a breach of the agreement we made two years ago.
  • We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
    On the last point, the answer certainly involves central government bunging money at it. That really is obvious to anyone who lives in the real world, as otherwise bills will go unpaid through a mix of can't pay and won't pay, and then even more suppliers will go bust. The exact mechanism is up for debate, but Truss is in silly denial over whether the govt needs to fund it. She will u-turn well before halloween.
    I expect an announcement within days of her taking office otherwise it is all over before it starts for her
  • The Tories need to pull their finger out and start privatising the NHS, it is the only solution.
  • I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    It’s a matter of scale, surely. We are not about to go to war with France nor are they with us. We are family. We squabble. But when the chips are down we are family. We stood by the french in 1914. We did the same in 1939. And then helped liberate them in 1944, for which we have never been forgiven.
    But we are family.
    We're not family, we're neighbours.

    Aus, Canada, NZ etc are family.

    France is our neighbour. We scream at each other and squabble over the shared fence, but when the chips are down we want the best for each other.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    You clearly have not been following my very consistent condemnation of the shenanigans of the conservative party, and it may not be here or there to you living in the USA, but it sure as anything matters to those of us in Wales who are experiencing the same issues and Wales Labour have no answers

    In Wales it is the Labour party who are responsible for our failing NHS
    So? They have to work within the funding set by the Conservative Party in London. That might be your reason right there.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
    Nothing works in Wales either, but they don’t work for different reasons.
    And they are?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    You havn’t gone and upset it 🫢

    Don’t answer the doorbell. I did once in the middle of Emmerdale. Sat on the mat was the snail I had thrown over the back fence the week before. I picked it up and it shouted WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR!
    It took a dead arse jug to remove it. I swear it would have justified a bucket. It was pursuing a smaller spider. I also evicted him. As a sacrifice.
    That was her husband.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    It’s a matter of scale, surely. We are not about to go to war with France nor are they with us. We are family. We squabble. But when the chips are down we are family. We stood by the french in 1914. We did the same in 1939. And then helped liberate them in 1944, for which we have never been forgiven.
    But we are family.
    We're not family, we're neighbours.

    Aus, Canada, NZ etc are family.

    France is our neighbour. We scream at each other and squabble over the shared fence, but when the chips are down we want the best for each other.
    Speak for yourself. Some of us have family in France, Ireland, and so on.
  • murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
    Nothing works in Wales either, but they don’t work for different reasons.
    And they are?
    The Welsh are fundamentally lazy and thick.
  • Carnyx said:

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    You clearly have not been following my very consistent condemnation of the shenanigans of the conservative party, and it may not be here or there to you living in the USA, but it sure as anything matters to those of us in Wales who are experiencing the same issues and Wales Labour have no answers

    In Wales it is the Labour party who are responsible for our failing NHS
    So? They have to work within the funding set by the Conservative Party in London. That might be your reason right there.
    The old chestnut - it's Westminster fault
  • We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
    Since you ask.

    Of course Macron has ultimately has France's interests at heart. That's true of every of the leader of every other nation. But if we're talking about a "friend or foe" categorisation, and not saying that France is basically freindly, the bar is going in a place that's going to leave the UK very lonely. (NB Friendly isn't the same as "gives us exactly what we want".)

    Johnson was forced out because ministers got fed up with defending his lies in public and the public got fed up with being lied to. He was pushed out in disgrace. Remember that? There is no way that Sunak, management consultant pretending to be a politician that he is, can be worse than that. The very worst thing that Truss has done in this campaign is to court the "Poor Boris Was Robbed By Backstabbers" vote.

    And on energy bills, the big picture is that about 50 billion pounds a year is going to be extracted from the system by energy producers until everyone gets their act together. We can talk about where and when the money is being bunged from, and how and to who it is going to be bunged to, but saying that the economy can absorb that shock without bungs is just right wing happy place.

    Apart from that, Truss's remarks are great.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,175
    Liz Truss has responded to the results of an exclusive poll done by Ipsos for Sky News which found that people have less faith in her than Sir Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak to deal with the cost of living crisis.

    Listen to what she had to say 👇 https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1562867403293343744/video/1
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,258

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    It’s a matter of scale, surely. We are not about to go to war with France nor are they with us. We are family. We squabble. But when the chips are down we are family. We stood by the french in 1914. We did the same in 1939. And then helped liberate them in 1944, for which we have never been forgiven.
    But we are family.
    Truss is going to need Macron's help on various issues including Ukraine, energy and Northern Ireland. Regardless of whatever she thinks of Macron, why not say something more diplomatic?

    Countries have used diplomacy for centuries because it is important and works.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 43,306

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    Macron explicitly said that not proceeding with the NIP legislation was a condition to remain friends with the UK.
    Fair enough, since it’s a breach of the agreement we made two years ago.
    Given that Truss sees the issue differently then you should agree that her position is equally valid.
  • BREAKING: Britain has signed joint action plan with Ukraine to restore its transportation network

    https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1562860461158150145

    Judging by the speed with which Ukraine has resurrected some train lines, yes I agree we could do with some of their help.
    London-centric, I know! But we have to wait another 2 and a half months for the missing bits of Crossrail to open. The line (or Elizabeth Line if you prefer) opened in three disjointed sections three months ago.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,175
    Liz Truss. Less professional and more undiplomatic than Boris Johnson.

    Bloody hell.


    https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1562898542712471552
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    Never mind any of this shit, i've just had to evict the biggest spider ive ever seen. Fucking thing might as well have been Shelob. Nothing gets that big without committing atrocities.
    If it gets back in.......
    Pray for me tonight peebee.

    You havn’t gone and upset it 🫢

    Don’t answer the doorbell. I did once in the middle of Emmerdale. Sat on the mat was the snail I had thrown over the back fence the week before. I picked it up and it shouted WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR!
    It took a dead arse jug to remove it. I swear it would have justified a bucket. It was pursuing a smaller spider. I also evicted him. As a sacrifice.
    That was her husband.
    And now he is her supper
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,258

    We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
    On the last point, the answer certainly involves central government bunging money at it. That really is obvious to anyone who lives in the real world, as otherwise bills will go unpaid through a mix of can't pay and won't pay, and then even more suppliers will go bust. The exact mechanism is up for debate, but Truss is in silly denial over whether the govt needs to fund it. She will u-turn well before halloween.
    I expect an announcement within days of her taking office otherwise it is all over before it starts for her
    But then why say the opposite again today? Yes she may well u-turn almost as soon as in office, but saying one thing this week and the opposite next week, when there really is no need to, are indeed the actions of an utter loon as PM.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507

    We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
    Since you ask.

    Of course Macron has ultimately has France's interests at heart. That's true of every of the leader of every other nation. But if we're talking about a "friend or foe" categorisation, and not saying that France is basically freindly, the bar is going in a place that's going to leave the UK very lonely. (NB Friendly isn't the same as "gives us exactly what we want".)

    Johnson was forced out because ministers got fed up with defending his lies in public and the public got fed up with being lied to. He was pushed out in disgrace. Remember that? There is no way that Sunak, management consultant pretending to be a politician that he is, can be worse than that. The very worst thing that Truss has done in this campaign is to court the "Poor Boris Was Robbed By Backstabbers" vote.

    And on energy bills, the big picture is that about 50 billion pounds a year is going to be extracted from the system by energy producers until everyone gets their act together. We can talk about where and when the money is being bunged from, and how and to who it is going to be bunged to, but saying that the economy can absorb that shock without bungs is just right wing happy place.

    Apart from that, Truss's remarks are great.
    Thank you for a well reasoned answer.
    On Macron, do you recall ‘quasi ineffective’? Not the actions of a friend.
  • We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
    Since you ask.

    Of course Macron has ultimately has France's interests at heart. That's true of every of the leader of every other nation. But if we're talking about a "friend or foe" categorisation, and not saying that France is basically freindly, the bar is going in a place that's going to leave the UK very lonely. (NB Friendly isn't the same as "gives us exactly what we want".)

    Johnson was forced out because ministers got fed up with defending his lies in public and the public got fed up with being lied to. He was pushed out in disgrace. Remember that? There is no way that Sunak, management consultant pretending to be a politician that he is, can be worse than that. The very worst thing that Truss has done in this campaign is to court the "Poor Boris Was Robbed By Backstabbers" vote.

    And on energy bills, the big picture is that about 50 billion pounds a year is going to be extracted from the system by energy producers until everyone gets their act together. We can talk about where and when the money is being bunged from, and how and to who it is going to be bunged to, but saying that the economy can absorb that shock without bungs is just right wing happy place.

    Apart from that, Truss's remarks are great.
    Why lonely? Plenty of nations and their leaders that are more friendly than Macron's France. Macron's France isn't even willing to stand firmly up to Russia in favour of Ukraine.

    Boris went because of his lies, but he was a pretty good PM in the round other than that.

    She didn't say that the economy can absorb the shock, did she? Her actual answer is that simply throwing money at it isn't a solution, the lack of supplies we're facing needs addressing. That's right. No doubt support will be needed too, but the big picture isn't support (otherwise we'll be needing support every winter) its how we get supply and demand back into equilibrium.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    edited August 2022

    Carnyx said:

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    You clearly have not been following my very consistent condemnation of the shenanigans of the conservative party, and it may not be here or there to you living in the USA, but it sure as anything matters to those of us in Wales who are experiencing the same issues and Wales Labour have no answers

    In Wales it is the Labour party who are responsible for our failing NHS
    So? They have to work within the funding set by the Conservative Party in London. That might be your reason right there.
    The old chestnut - it's Westminster fault
    It is an accurate description of devolution. The budget is set principally centrally, as are many of the standards (e.g. the funding per head for health, from which the devolved governments can't diverge too far for obvious reasons, as well as people like you wanting to know why Wales is doing it differently and complaining). If you want to go around calling that "LABOUR'S FAULT!!!" then it's a free world. But [edit] you have to accept that that is one possible reason for the linkage of the problems.

    You can't keep going on saying "It's Ok for the Tories to be shite because Welsh Labour are shite as well so it's not the Tories' fault" forever.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss. Less professional and more undiplomatic than Boris Johnson.

    Bloody hell.


    https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1562898542712471552
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874

    Refreshingly honest
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 6,901

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
    Nothing works in Wales either, but they don’t work for different reasons.
    And they are?
    The Welsh are fundamentally lazy and thick.
    That is straightforward racism and you should be banned.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779

    Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss. Less professional and more undiplomatic than Boris Johnson.

    Bloody hell.


    https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1562898542712471552
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874

    Refreshingly honest
    Insane for a head of state.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss. Less professional and more undiplomatic than Boris Johnson.

    Bloody hell.


    https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1562898542712471552
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874

    Refreshingly honest
    Its important to restore honesty into politics.

    No! Not that honesty! Be diplomatic!
  • murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
    Nothing works in Wales either, but they don’t work for different reasons.
    And they are?
    The Welsh are fundamentally lazy and thick.
    That is straightforward racism and you should be banned.
    Are the Welsh a race?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547

    I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    Macron explicitly said that not proceeding with the NIP legislation was a condition to remain friends with the UK.
    Fair enough, since it’s a breach of the agreement we made two years ago.
    Given that Truss sees the issue differently then you should agree that her position is equally valid.
    No, because she’s simply wrong as a matter of (international) law, and foolish as a matter of diplomacy.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028
    edited August 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    17 days until Sweden votes and one of the country's "rolling" polling organisations has its daily update:

    https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/val2022/valjarbarometer-dag-for-dag/

    I'm sure everyone's Swedish is up to this but a very good poll for the Sweden Democrats and a clear advantage for the centre-right coalition.

    OTOH, another "rolling pollster", SIFO, in its daily offering, has the centre-left narrowly ahead.

    It’s that all it’s going to be for England and Wales then once Davey and Starmer introduces PR - a choice of centre left or centre right governments for ever and ever, never again a Truss v Sunak party election to produce a right wing UK Prime Minister?
    If we had PR in 2015 UKIP and the Tories combined would have got 50% of the vote
    I’m sorry you don’t understand.

    Dave and George and their governments were almost as far from this Blukip rubbish as Starmer and his shadow government are, that’s the point I’m making - yet you are claiming every bit of them and their party membership at that time sitting in government with Farage rather than Libdems and Starmer Labour, under PR? 😂

    How can I give an example to you? Like this. Remember Boris Great Purge of Talented Tory Moderates 2019 - Hammond only defied whip once in his life and thrown out his party - under PR they would have danced a conga out the party with party hats on, off to government for the rest of their political careers, the rubbish blukip rump they left behind (that indeed has proved itself most utter rubbish in government) welcome to its political wilderness. Yes. That explains the change that is coming to British politics.
    Cameron's Tories and the LDs combined were on 45% in 2015, that did not have the numbers to continue in government with PR.

    The Tories and UKIP on about 50% combined however did have the numbers for a majority government under PR. Unless you are suggesting Cameron would have formed a Merkel style grand coalition with Ed Miliband's Labour?
    You still don’t understand. The Party Political Landscape changes under PR. Also The new type of system we will have will set the political narrative of what voters want, no longer the Daily Mail 🙂
    If we ever get PR in Britain (and I am a perpetual pessimist), I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a pro-business FDP-like party emerge. The Osborne, Sunak, Clegg tendency. They have much more in common with each other than they do with Truss and Patel.
    You are right. Throw in Phillip Hammond and the decent Tories Boris threw out, and there is, along with libdems and a more right wing Liberterian dems party, a key makeweight coalition partner for all the future Cameron’s and Starmer’s to court after the election result. The right of centre havn’t appreciated how lucky they have had it so long and how it is coming to an end after this current last hurrah.

    The main recruiter for the change to PR is Prime Minister Liz Truss and how she will shred the Tory’s record on economic management.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 55,345
    edited August 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    You clearly have not been following my very consistent condemnation of the shenanigans of the conservative party, and it may not be here or there to you living in the USA, but it sure as anything matters to those of us in Wales who are experiencing the same issues and Wales Labour have no answers

    In Wales it is the Labour party who are responsible for our failing NHS
    So? They have to work within the funding set by the Conservative Party in London. That might be your reason right there.
    The old chestnut - it's Westminster fault
    It is an accurate description of devolution. The budget is set principally centrally, as are many of the standards (e.g. the funding per head for health, from which the devolved governments can't diverge too far for obvious reasons, as well as people like you wanting to know why Wales is doing it differently and complaining). If you want to go around calling that "LABOUR'S FAULT!!!" then it's a free world. But if you have to accept that that is one possible reason for the linkage of the problems.

    You can't keep going on saying "It's Ok for the Tories to be shite because Welsh Labour are shite as well so it's not the Tories' fault" forever.
    As far as Wales is concerned the NHS is labour's responsibility and they have the money

    I am not able to comment on England other than to say the same issues apply
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,955

    murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
    Nothing works in Wales either, but they don’t work for different reasons.
    And they are?
    The Welsh are fundamentally lazy and thick.
    That is straightforward racism and you should be banned.
    Yeah, but if we ban TSE for racism, then we'd have to ban @Leon too. And where would it end? Would we start banning posters for their laughably lazy tropes about Remainer skiiers?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,376
    Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss. Less professional and more undiplomatic than Boris Johnson.

    Bloody hell.


    https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1562898542712471552
    https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1562887482881871874

    It's interesting the way she totally ignores the interviewer and addresses the audience for applause. It treats them as direct participants, rather than faces in the dark. Useful when addressing your electorate.
  • I wonder how the PB Tory massive would reach if Macron said that Truss (or even Johnson) was yet to be proven as an non-foe.

    We’re at risk of heading back into a Brexity “bomb Paris” phase, which never really worked that well.

    Macron explicitly said that not proceeding with the NIP legislation was a condition to remain friends with the UK.
    Fair enough, since it’s a breach of the agreement we made two years ago.
    Given that Truss sees the issue differently then you should agree that her position is equally valid.
    No, because she’s simply wrong as a matter of (international) law, and foolish as a matter of diplomacy.
    She's entirely right as a matter of (domestic) law, and quite right on the matter of diplomacy.

    Diplomatically, while the EU is divided by a real war on its Eastern flank, that we're doing more than Macron to address, the EU has no chance of initiating a trade war with us. Resolve this issue while the iron's hot.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 2,968
    The right wing fruitcakes on here seem to think that Truss can solve this country’s problems! LOL!

    Take it from me that in a year’s time we’ll be looking back at the Johnson era with fondness.
  • murali_s said:

    Well done that woman. Nothing works in this country. As I keep saying, the Tories are turning this country into a stinking latrine.

    You seem to miss the point that Labour in Wales has been in power longer than the conservatives and ambulance services here are just as appalling
    You miss the point that your point is essentially a non-sequitur.
    Surely it implies that something other than political choices might be at play? I.e. covid stress on hospitals?
    The criticism is that “nothing works”.
    That’s entirely on the government of 12 years, much of which was spent delivering austerity aka failing to mend the roof.

    What Labour in Wales is doing (I am no fan) is really neither here nor there.

    At core, I am merely highlighting again BigG’s incessant Tory apologism.

    If Wales did not have the SAME issues the criticism would be fair.
    Nothing works in Wales either, but they don’t work for different reasons.
    And they are?
    The Welsh are fundamentally lazy and thick.
    That is straightforward racism and you should be banned.
    Are the Welsh a race?
    Three-legged.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 787
    edited August 2022

    We're about to have an utter loon as PM. Or, at best, someone prepared to act like a loon because she thinks it will advance her career.

    TalkTV hustings:

    * Liz Truss says 'jury's out' on whether Macron is friend or foe; Sunak says he's a friend

    * Sunak says LizTruss would make a better PM than Johnson; Truss says Johnson

    * Truss says energy bills are 'massive issue' but 'bunging money' at system is not answer.


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1562892217228079105

    Which bit do you regard as lunacy? Genuinely? Macron has Frances interests at heart. If that means stuffing the U.K. then so be it. Truss is welcome to rate Johnson higher than Sunak if she wants. And as for energy bills no one really knows the answer do they?
    Since you ask.

    Of course Macron has ultimately has France's interests at heart. That's true of every of the leader of every other nation. But if we're talking about a "friend or foe" categorisation, and not saying that France is basically freindly, the bar is going in a place that's going to leave the UK very lonely. (NB Friendly isn't the same as "gives us exactly what we want".)

    Johnson was forced out because ministers got fed up with defending his lies in public and the public got fed up with being lied to. He was pushed out in disgrace. Remember that? There is no way that Sunak, management consultant pretending to be a politician that he is, can be worse than that. The very worst thing that Truss has done in this campaign is to court the "Poor Boris Was Robbed By Backstabbers" vote.

    And on energy bills, the big picture is that about 50 billion pounds a year is going to be extracted from the system by energy producers until everyone gets their act together. We can talk about where and when the money is being bunged from, and how and to who it is going to be bunged to, but saying that the economy can absorb that shock without bungs is just right wing happy place.

    Apart from that, Truss's remarks are great.
    Thank you for a well reasoned answer.
    On Macron, do you recall ‘quasi ineffective’? Not the actions of a friend.
    It's ironic that 'quasi ineffective' will likely fit how Macron is remembered once he leaves office, given he's lost the National Assembly and his room for manoeuvre is severely reduced now.
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