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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,451
    Leon said:

    NETFLIX RECOMMENDATION

    For a dark, moody, sexy, witty, stirring period drama, try BECOMING ELIZABETH

    It's about the children of the recently dead Henry VIII - Edward, Mary, Elizabeth - and how they jostle for power and/or try to save themselves. It's really good, and smart

    I recommended that on here weeks ago.

    Although, it's mainly a variety of Tudors telling each other to fuck off.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,451

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    What’s the reason pb isn’t just one long perma thread? All this chopping and changing, comments lost upon a new thread (like this one in a minute) seems silly.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
  • Let me guess, Starmer is a dud? I think I’m going to add you to the ignore list. What a shame
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,451

    Bloody hell, I wander off for 24 hours and you're STILL all talking about just 3 words and Finland - has Leon cast a magic spell on the site? If this keeps up we'll be begging Putin to send us some trolls to liven things up a bit.

    He posts incessantly about it 15 times an hour and thus dominates the site.

    Those who can't be arsed have just quit the site temporarily and are and waiting to come back once he has calmed down.
  • ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    Not a member, no. Have been in the past, voted for Cameron, but felt I couldn't be a member after the NI tax hike. Reversing that is a key point of principle for me.

    The lack of balance in how actual Tory members voting here is a bit of a shame, that we get a distorted view in discussions. A bit like how interesting it is that the same certain people seem to be getting asked to engage in opinion polls almost every week it seems.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited August 2022
    Keir Starmer is a dud.

    Gordon Brown clearly unimpressed that he’s missing in action.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/10/gordon-brown-says-energy-firms-unable-to-offer-lower-bills-should-be-temporarily-re-nationalised

    What’s this? The fourth day in a row Brown has made big media moves?

    Can’t remember the last time Major, Blair, Cameron or May made such a sustained media blitz.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,451
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We are going to be fucking tortured on the day he discovers Telegram.

    You are, all of you, utterly pathetic in the way you let me derail debate after debate, into whatever discussion I fancy

    I could arrive here at 10am and say “Look, I’m really fucked off with sheep pretending to be circus clowns” and by 7pm you’d still be discussing the whole sheep as clowns thing. And then a few of you would quietly moan about it like tired wives, then back to the latest sheep-clown scandal

    I can’t help being Dom. It’s not my fault if you’re all subs
    Suddenly it all makes sense.

    Why don't you just go to a Liz Truss rally and give her your number instead?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Let me guess, Starmer is a dud? I think I’m going to add you to the ignore list. What a shame
    For a bit of variety:

    Sarwar is also a dud.
  • Let me guess, Starmer is a dud? I think I’m going to add you to the ignore list. What a shame
    For a bit of variety:

    Sarwar is also a dud.
    Really cutting edge analysis. Thanks
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    moonshine said:

    What’s the reason pb isn’t just one long perma thread? All this chopping and changing, comments lost upon a new thread (like this one in a minute) seems silly.

    How would we keep on the topic of the thread header if it was all one thread? :wink:
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    Nigelb said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Liz Truss campaign manager Iain Duncan Smith told an online meeting hosted by the Conservative Christian Fellowship that she 'hated' her own policy on banning gay conversion therapy, hinting that she may drop it if elected leader
    https://twitter.com/openDemocracy/status/1557368201029292032

    Will the real Liz Truss please stand up?

    We're gonna have a problem here....
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Yes to be clear these other people may be right and she may run an ultra ERG Cabinet that has no policy ambition beyond leaving the ECHR so they can mandate skirts for girls and trousers for boys. But as supposed dispassionate punters/analysts of this stuff, I think we should be entertaining the alternative a lot more carefully than we are.

    A Tory Blair if you will. A non job for union man John Prescott, while the real business of govt concerned itself with letting the private sector get “filthy rich”. And in the meantime enacting a number of policies that are resoundingly popular with middle England. Blair was a slicker presenter but these are different times. We’ve seen how poorly that presentational style comes across these days with Sunak.



  • TazTaz Posts: 14,398

    Let me guess, Starmer is a dud? I think I’m going to add you to the ignore list. What a shame
    For a bit of variety:

    Sarwar is also a dud.
    Really cutting edge analysis. Thanks
    It may not be cutting edge analysis but he has a point.

    Labours polling in Scotland is poor at the moment. Sarwar doesn't seem to be cutting through.

    BTW Good morning, I hope you are well.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    edited August 2022
    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Starmer could ditch the loons because they ran against him and lost heavily and because they had very little support among MPs. And because they were really bad at the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    The MPs bit may apply to Truss. The first one doesn’t, the third one doesn’t seem to. Truss also seems to believe what she is saying, so any u-turns are going to lack credibility.

    The ERG is very loud and very well-organised, with a direct route into the comment and news desks of the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express.

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We are going to be fucking tortured on the day he discovers Telegram.

    You are, all of you, utterly pathetic in the way you let me derail debate after debate, into whatever discussion I fancy

    I could arrive here at 10am and say “Look, I’m really fucked off with sheep pretending to be circus clowns” and by 7pm you’d still be discussing the whole sheep as clowns thing. And then a few of you would quietly moan about it like tired wives, then back to the latest sheep-clown scandal

    I can’t help being Dom. It’s not my fault if you’re all subs
    Suddenly it all makes sense.

    Why don't you just go to a Liz Truss rally and give her your number instead?
    Killing two birds with one stone.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747

    Very good article this … In the UK public sector and in much of the private sector cost cutting is prioritised over investment. We are paying the price for that now in water, energy, health, housing and countless other areas. It’s the British disease.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covid

    The private sector only cares about resilience when the state forces them to, because in most of these industries there’s no financial incentive to care. Therefore, we have no strategic natural gas reserve. Water companies don’t bother equipping pumping stations with diesel generators as standard, ditto telco towers. Energy companies woo naive consumers with penny a unit cheaper fixed priced bills without hedging themselves as the only way to compete. Utilities rely too heavily on spot contracts and don’t take country risk seriously enough in their business models, because nobody else. Etc…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of “equipment caught fire”.

    Also explosions reported overnight at Chonhar, which is the site of a bridge from Crimea to Ukraine.

    Ben Wallace, on the mystery of the destroyed Russian airfield in Crimea, “Well, it wasn’t someone dropping a cigarette now, was it?” Me thinks he knows what went down there the other day. ;) Who dares, wins.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11100153/Ben-Wallace-dismisses-Moscows-explanations-explosions-Russian-airbase-Crimea.html

    LOL at the pictures of the Russian tourists on the beach in Crimea, quickly realising that their seaside holiday had turned into a war zone and rushing to get off the island.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Selebian said:

    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.

    That is the thrust of Iain Martin's article today

    It's 6 September. There's a new PM outside Number 10 about to address the nation. What does she say? For the good of the country Liz Truss must make a break with Johnson, dropping him and his fanatical supporters like a stone. (My latest @thetimes column) https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d7871268-18dd-11ed-b4a0-f11f082a3a3c?shareToken=b081829b34798669f25c101012aea6bf

    Not sure if he is embarrassed by his support of BoZo and Brexit and doesn't want to make the same mistake with Truss
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Let me guess, Starmer is a dud? I think I’m going to add you to the ignore list. What a shame
    For a bit of variety:

    Sarwar is also a dud.
    Really cutting edge analysis. Thanks
    You’re welcome. If you were wise you’d adjust your strategy accordingly, but as you are also a fan of ‘Muscular Unionism’ (copyright M Gove) I confidently predict that you will merrily continue banging your head against a brick wall.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,988
    edited August 2022
    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

    Except the ERG, who are front and centre of the "BoZo was unfairly deposed" story, can't then knife Truss.

    She is secure from their own betrayal narrative.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    edited August 2022

    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Starmer could ditch the loons because they ran against him and lost heavily and because they had very little support among MPs. And because they were really bad at the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    The MPs bit may apply to Truss. The first one doesn’t, the third one doesn’t seem to. Truss also seems to believe what she is saying, so any u-turns are going to lack credibility.

    The ERG is very loud and very well-organised, with a direct route into the comment and news
    desks of the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express.

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little
    room for manoeuvre.

    The main advantage Starmer has in bringing his party back to the centre is that they are not in power and have not been for 12 long years. Long enough to knock the complacency out of his opponents (largely).

    On the other hand, the Labour left have a set of policy objectives that is nowhere near coming to fruition that they still want to fight for deep in their bones. For the ERG their war has already been won, it’s more about tying up the loose ends in the resultant peace treaty. There is far less Truss could do to upset them, as there is no realistic appetite across the party to join the customs union or single market. Everything else is small potatoes to the erg.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    moonshine said:

    For the ERG their war has already been won, it’s more about tying up the loose ends in the resultant peace treaty.

    LOL

    That's why they keep talking about "saving" Bexit...

    The war is over. Aye, right.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?

    That sounds like some sort of hardware or driver error causing a crash. Check that the main chipset and graphics drivers are up to date. Also disable the Windows Update Service until you’ve resolved the issue, that will stop the endless reboots.
  • moonshine said:

    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Starmer could ditch the loons because they ran against him and lost heavily and because they had very little support among MPs. And because they were really bad at the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    The MPs bit may apply to Truss. The first one doesn’t, the third one doesn’t seem to. Truss also seems to believe what she is saying, so any u-turns are going to lack credibility.

    The ERG is very loud and very well-organised, with a direct route into the comment and news
    desks of the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express.

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little
    room for manoeuvre.

    The main advantage Starmer has in bringing his party back to the centre is that they are not in power and have not been for 12 long years. Long enough to knock the complacency out of his opponents (largely).

    On the other hand, the Labour left have a set of policy objectives that is nowhere near coming to fruition that they still want to fight for deep in their bones. For the ERG their war has already been won, it’s more about tying up the loose ends in the resultant peace treaty. There is far less Truss could do to upset them, as there is no realistic appetite across the party to join the customs union or single market. Everything else is small potatoes to the erg.

    The one significant loose end post-Brexit is Northern Ireland and the Protocol problems, which erstwhile Remainers are desperate to use as justification to try to join the customs union or single market. I suspect the ERG want Truss to win as she has a plan for dealing that.

    Passing her NI Protocol Bill (or getting an agreement with Brussels on reform so it no longer becomes necessary) will resolve that loose end.

    Other than that, I'm not sure what it is that the ERG would even want now, since Brexit is done. Many of the same personalities behind the ERG were also the most Lockdown skeptical, but Covid is done now too, so that's moot too.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We are going to be fucking tortured on the day he discovers Telegram.

    You are, all of you, utterly pathetic in the way you let me derail debate after debate, into whatever discussion I fancy

    I could arrive here at 10am and say “Look, I’m really fucked off with sheep pretending to be circus clowns” and by 7pm you’d still be discussing the whole sheep as clowns thing. And then a few of you would quietly moan about it like tired wives, then back to the latest sheep-clown scandal

    I can’t help being Dom. It’s not my fault if you’re all subs
    I've noticed, and for the most part ignore your narratives on aliens or sexual encounters, or the photographs of your lunch, Regents Park, the recipe for tonight's dinner and the third bottle of English wine you are about to consume.

    I suspect by engaging with you and entering your tangential world, posters are just being polite. It is very rude and disingenuous of you to throw their kindness back in their faces. For shame!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Liz Truss’s thoughts about how to manage the Bank of England are adding to a mounting list of threats to the value of the pound and UK government bonds https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-11/liz-truss-s-plan-for-boe-seen-as-threat-to-pound-and-uk-bonds?sref=RpEAhmDR via @markets
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Dura_Ace said:

    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?

    Leave it alone. Market forces will fix it.
    Perhaps it's getting too old?

    Let it die? Not worth spending time on it's virus
  • moonshine said:

    Very good article this … In the UK public sector and in much of the private sector cost cutting is prioritised over investment. We are paying the price for that now in water, energy, health, housing and countless other areas. It’s the British disease.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covid

    The private sector only cares about resilience when the state forces them to, because in most of these industries there’s no financial incentive to care. Therefore, we have no strategic natural gas reserve. Water companies don’t bother equipping pumping stations with diesel generators as standard, ditto telco towers. Energy companies woo naive consumers with penny a unit cheaper fixed priced bills without hedging themselves as the only way to compete. Utilities rely too heavily on spot contracts and don’t take country risk seriously enough in their business models, because nobody else. Etc…
    Though we have let those values into the state sector as well. We've got rid of resilience in the name of efficiency there too. And voters have rewarded that so we can have a penny off tax in the preselection budget.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658
    Sandpit said:

    Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of “equipment caught fire”.

    Also explosions reported overnight at Chonhar, which is the site of a bridge from Crimea to Ukraine.

    Ben Wallace, on the mystery of the destroyed Russian airfield in Crimea, “Well, it wasn’t someone dropping a cigarette now, was it?” Me thinks he knows what went down there the other day. ;) Who dares, wins.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11100153/Ben-Wallace-dismisses-Moscows-explanations-explosions-Russian-airbase-Crimea.html

    LOL at the pictures of the Russian tourists on the beach in Crimea, quickly realising that their seaside holiday had turned into a war zone and rushing to get off the island.

    Chonhar is quite a key supply line. Those Russian logistics problems just get worse and worse.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    Sandpit said:

    Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of “equipment caught fire”.

    Also explosions reported overnight at Chonhar, which is the site of a bridge from Crimea to Ukraine.

    Ben Wallace, on the mystery of the destroyed Russian airfield in Crimea, “Well, it wasn’t someone dropping a cigarette now, was it?” Me thinks he knows what went down there the other day. ;) Who dares, wins.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11100153/Ben-Wallace-dismisses-Moscows-explanations-explosions-Russian-airbase-Crimea.html

    LOL at the pictures of the Russian tourists on the beach in Crimea, quickly realising that their seaside holiday had turned into a war zone and rushing to get off the island.

    It would have to have been a number of cigarettes.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    We are going to be fucking tortured on the day he discovers Telegram.

    You are, all of you, utterly pathetic in the way you let me derail debate after debate, into whatever discussion I fancy

    I could arrive here at 10am and say “Look, I’m really fucked off with sheep pretending to be circus clowns” and by 7pm you’d still be discussing the whole sheep as clowns thing. And then a few of you would quietly moan about it like tired wives, then back to the latest sheep-clown scandal

    I can’t help being Dom. It’s not my fault if you’re all subs
    I've noticed, and for the most part ignore your narratives on aliens or sexual encounters, or the photographs of your lunch, Regents Park, the recipe for tonight's dinner and the third bottle of English wine you are about to consume.

    I suspect by engaging with you and entering your tangential world, posters are just being polite. It is very rude and disingenuous of you to throw their kindness back in their faces. For shame!
    Surely you have learned from his posts that shame isn't an @Leon thing.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    edited August 2022

    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Starmer could ditch the loons because they ran against him and lost heavily and because they had very little support among MPs. And because they were really bad at the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    The MPs bit may apply to Truss. The first one doesn’t, the third one doesn’t seem to. Truss also seems to believe what she is saying, so any u-turns are going to lack credibility.

    The ERG is very loud and very well-organised, with a direct route into the comment and news desks of the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express.

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

    It's one of the funny things. Loons have taken over the Conservative party not infrequently, and made life miserable for non-loon leaders more often. Yet the party has never really been able to confront them. See the pussyfooting happening now about the reality that Johnson was never fit to be PM.

    Labour did elect a loon as leader in Corbyn, no question of that. But largely by accident and with a lot of pushback from MPs. And once he went, he left hardly any imprint on the party; the hard left are back to whinging on the internet.

    Curious.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of “equipment caught fire”.

    Also explosions reported overnight at Chonhar, which is the site of a bridge from Crimea to Ukraine.

    Ben Wallace, on the mystery of the destroyed Russian airfield in Crimea, “Well, it wasn’t someone dropping a cigarette now, was it?” Me thinks he knows what went down there the other day. ;) Who dares, wins.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11100153/Ben-Wallace-dismisses-Moscows-explanations-explosions-Russian-airbase-Crimea.html

    LOL at the pictures of the Russian tourists on the beach in Crimea, quickly realising that their seaside holiday had turned into a war zone and rushing to get off the island.

    It would have to have been a number of cigarettes.

    How very careless of the Ukranian special forces, they need to improve their cigarette management.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    edited August 2022

    It's one of the funny things. Loons have taken over the Conservative party not infrequently, and made life miserable for non-loon leaders more often. Yet the party has never really been able to confront them.

    If the Brexit vote had gone the other way...

    But here we are.

    EDIT: It may yet come to pass. The Corbynite loons never got to try out their ideas. The ERG got everything they ever wanted. And it's shit. At some point, somebody will join the dots.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,064

    Being all woke, I love to see a girl cover Cat Stevens and a guy cover Tina Turner

    Your latter link is broken. Did you mean https://youtu.be/WnNT9L57ybA ?
  • Scott_xP said:

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

    Except the ERG, who are front and centre of the "BoZo was unfairly deposed" story, can't then knife Truss.

    She is secure from their own betrayal narrative.

    I am not sure that's how the ERG works. It's certainly not how Johnson works!

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Nigelb said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Liz Truss campaign manager Iain Duncan Smith told an online meeting hosted by the Conservative Christian Fellowship that she 'hated' her own policy on banning gay conversion therapy, hinting that she may drop it if elected leader
    https://twitter.com/openDemocracy/status/1557368201029292032

    When the just three words turn out to be "Conservative Christian Fellowship" and "Iain Duncan Smith" one realises they are to be stuck in a remote and desolate place forever and there is no salvation.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm introducing a new, easier to use version of what.three.words, called just.one.word

    And that word identifies which habitable planet a person is on.

    So, I for example, would say that I am on "earth".

    Maybe I am being picky but to date the only known habitable planet is...erm.. Earth?
    Moon is also habitable, albeit (a) only with a lot of effort, and (b) not a planet. The ISS is in between on habitability, but certainly exists (for now).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    edited August 2022

    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?

    Mr experience with an MS Surface which I had plugged in throughout lockdown.

    Eventually it just stopped working.

    The battery blew up although the NS Surface is essentially just a battery so maybe not comparable.
  • Nigelb said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Liz Truss campaign manager Iain Duncan Smith told an online meeting hosted by the Conservative Christian Fellowship that she 'hated' her own policy on banning gay conversion therapy, hinting that she may drop it if elected leader
    https://twitter.com/openDemocracy/status/1557368201029292032

    When the just three words turn out to be "Conservative Christian Fellowship" and "Iain Duncan Smith" one realises they are to be stuck in a remote and desolate place forever and there is no salvation.
    I'd like to think this is just Iain Duncan Smith wishcasting and freelancing on his own here.

    Truss unlike IDS has never struck me as one to bang on about 'Christian' issues and she would lose a lot of my respect if she started.
  • moonshine said:

    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Starmer could ditch the loons because they ran against him and lost heavily and because they had very little support among MPs. And because they were really bad at the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    The MPs bit may apply to Truss. The first one doesn’t, the third one doesn’t seem to. Truss also seems to believe what she is saying, so any u-turns are going to lack credibility.

    The ERG is very loud and very well-organised, with a direct route into the comment and news
    desks of the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express.

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little
    room for manoeuvre.

    The main advantage Starmer has in bringing his party back to the centre is that they are not in power and have not been for 12 long years. Long enough to knock the complacency out of his opponents (largely).

    On the other hand, the Labour left have a set of policy objectives that is nowhere near coming to fruition that they still want to fight for deep in their bones. For the ERG their war has already been won, it’s more about tying up the loose ends in the resultant peace treaty. There is far less Truss could do to upset them, as there is no realistic appetite across the party to join the customs union or single market. Everything else is small potatoes to the erg.

    The one significant loose end post-Brexit is Northern Ireland and the Protocol problems, which erstwhile Remainers are desperate to use as justification to try to join the customs union or single market. I suspect the ERG want Truss to win as she has a plan for dealing that.

    Passing her NI Protocol Bill (or getting an agreement with Brussels on reform so it no longer becomes necessary) will resolve that loose end.

    Other than that, I'm not sure what it is that the ERG would even want now, since Brexit is done. Many of the same personalities behind the ERG were also the most Lockdown skeptical, but Covid is done now too, so that's moot too.

    The ERG wanted Brexit done for a purpose - a much smaller state, much lower taxes, much lower public spending, much less regulation, far fewer employment, environmental and food protections etc etc. There is also the whole Net Zero argument, which the ERG seems to have a very specific set of ideas on. Truss will have to deliver on all those or the Betrayal narratives will begin to get loud very quickly.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Scott_xP said:

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

    Except the ERG, who are front and centre of the "BoZo was unfairly deposed" story, can't then knife Truss.

    She is secure from their own betrayal narrative.

    I am not sure that's how the ERG works. It's certainly not how Johnson works!

    Johnson works?

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    What’s the reason pb isn’t just one long perma thread? All this chopping and changing, comments lost upon a new thread (like this one in a minute) seems silly.

    How would we keep on the topic of the thread header if it was all one thread? :wink:
    Mike could just have posted a header in 2004 about how wonderful Jim Wallace’s and Jack McConnell’s Lib-Lab coalition government was, and we could just have merrily chatted away for 18 years.

    The Fresh Talent initiative, public smoking ban, bid for Euro 2008 and the Gaelic Language (Scotland) bill. Never any need for Off Topic comments…
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ministry of Defense of Belarus says explosions heard last night at Ziabrovka airfield were as result of “equipment caught fire”.

    Also explosions reported overnight at Chonhar, which is the site of a bridge from Crimea to Ukraine.

    Ben Wallace, on the mystery of the destroyed Russian airfield in Crimea, “Well, it wasn’t someone dropping a cigarette now, was it?” Me thinks he knows what went down there the other day. ;) Who dares, wins.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11100153/Ben-Wallace-dismisses-Moscows-explanations-explosions-Russian-airbase-Crimea.html

    LOL at the pictures of the Russian tourists on the beach in Crimea, quickly realising that their seaside holiday had turned into a war zone and rushing to get off the island.

    Chonhar is quite a key supply line. Those Russian logistics problems just get worse and worse.
    Yep! There’s also reports of non-military Russians being evacuated from Kherson while they still can, after the bridges there were damaged by HIMARS a couple of days ago. The remaining enemy fighters there are pretty much cut off from resupply now, they’re using the river to send supplies on barges.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Nigelb said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Liz Truss campaign manager Iain Duncan Smith told an online meeting hosted by the Conservative Christian Fellowship that she 'hated' her own policy on banning gay conversion therapy, hinting that she may drop it if elected leader
    https://twitter.com/openDemocracy/status/1557368201029292032

    When the just three words turn out to be "Conservative Christian Fellowship" and "Iain Duncan Smith" one realises they are to be stuck in a remote and desolate place forever and there is no salvation.
    I'd like to think this is just Iain Duncan Smith wishcasting and freelancing on his own here.

    Truss unlike IDS has never struck me as one to bang on about 'Christian' issues and she would lose a lot of my respect if she started.
    If "Christian issues" brings the likes of HY on board her not so broad church, why not?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    edited August 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    It's one of the funny things. Loons have taken over the Conservative party not infrequently, and made life miserable for non-loon leaders more often. Yet the party has never really been able to confront them.

    If the Brexit vote had gone the other way...

    But here we are.

    EDIT: It may yet come to pass. The Corbynite loons never got to try out their ideas. The ERG got everything they ever wanted. And it's shit. At some point, somebody will join the dots.

    Brexit hasn't worked because of the BBC, the Church of England, the Civil Service, teachers, the National Trust, universities, trade unions, wokeism, the Labour party, the SNP, the Guardian, the LibDems, the Irish, the French, the Germans, the House of Lords, the judiciary, Joe Biden, lefty lawyers, the wind, the stars, the moon. There are still so many more people and things to blame before anyone starts joining the dots!!

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    NEW: Omicron-specific covid booster vaccines may not be ready for autumn because cuts to regulator the MHRA has meant delays in approving them - 💉scoop by @HugoGye https://inews.co.uk/news/health/new-covid-vaccines-omicron-not-ready-autumn-boosters-nhs-winter-wave-1789089

    sclerotic...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    What’s the reason pb isn’t just one long perma thread? All this chopping and changing, comments lost upon a new thread (like this one in a minute) seems silly.

    How would we keep on the topic of the thread header if it was all one thread? :wink:
    Mike could just have posted a header in 2004 about how wonderful Jim Wallace’s and Jack McConnell’s Lib-Lab coalition government was, and we could just have merrily chatted away for 18 years.

    The Fresh Talent initiative, public smoking ban, bid for Euro 2008 and the Gaelic Language (Scotland) bill. Never any need for Off Topic comments…
    TBF they did get rid of feudal law.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    Quite extraordinary (and fact free) op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that former Presidents should be above the law.
    The facts of the case are apparently "beside the point":
    https://mobile.twitter.com/fordm/status/1557539093336162305
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362

    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Starmer could ditch the loons because they ran against him and lost heavily and because they had very little support among MPs. And because they were really bad at the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    The MPs bit may apply to Truss. The first one doesn’t, the third one doesn’t seem to. Truss also seems to believe what she is saying, so any u-turns are going to lack credibility.

    The ERG is very loud and very well-organised, with a direct route into the comment and news desks of the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express.

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

    It's one of the funny things. Loons have taken over the Conservative party not infrequently, and made life miserable for non-loon leaders more often. Yet the party has never really been able to confront them. See the pussyfooting happening now about the reality that Johnson was never fit to be PM.

    Labour did elect a loon as leader in Corbyn, no question of that. But largely by accident and with a lot of pushback from MPs. And once he went, he left hardly any imprint on the party; the hard left are back to whinging on the internet.

    Curious.
    It's because the Left in Labour (and in general) is ridiculously badly organised, while the Tory Right is very effective.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

    Except the ERG, who are front and centre of the "BoZo was unfairly deposed" story, can't then knife Truss.

    She is secure from their own betrayal narrative.

    I am not sure that's how the ERG works. It's certainly not how Johnson works!

    Johnson works?

    It certainly does, and seven children and counting proves the point!
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,904

    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?

    I have the same set up, apparently - Asus laptop, Windows 10, turned on just a bit before 6.00. Similar set of problems. Kept going back to Go..... I left it to sort itself out. Seems to be working now. Fortunately.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little room for manoeuvre.

    Except the ERG, who are front and centre of the "BoZo was unfairly deposed" story, can't then knife Truss.

    She is secure from their own betrayal narrative.

    I am not sure that's how the ERG works. It's certainly not how Johnson works!

    Johnson works?

    It certainly does, and seven children and counting proves the point!
    So it was just his premiership that was a flop?

  • ClippP said:

    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?

    I have the same set up, apparently - Asus laptop, Windows 10, turned on just a bit before 6.00. Similar set of problems. Kept going back to Go..... I left it to sort itself out. Seems to be working now. Fortunately.
    Wow that is an interesting coincidence. Probably more than a coincidence then actually.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Taz said:

    Let me guess, Starmer is a dud? I think I’m going to add you to the ignore list. What a shame
    For a bit of variety:

    Sarwar is also a dud.
    Really cutting edge analysis. Thanks
    It may not be cutting edge analysis but he has a point.

    Labours polling in Scotland is poor at the moment. Sarwar doesn't seem to be cutting through.
    Sarwar doesn’t have anything to “cut through” with. Labour are terrified of their own shadow at the moment.

    They are waiting for the Tories, the SNP and the Greens to fail. Not necessarily a losing strategy, but they have left themselves as spectators, not actors.

    They ought to take a look at Drakeford’s success and then have a wee re-think in England and Scotland.

    https://nation.cymru/news/it-would-be-absurd-to-rule-out-independence-says-mark-drakeford/

    https://www.thenational.wales/news/20369865.mark-drakeford-says-scotland-has-right-hold-indyref2/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Nigelb said:

    Quite extraordinary (and fact free) op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that former Presidents should be above the law.
    The facts of the case are apparently "beside the point":
    https://mobile.twitter.com/fordm/status/1557539093336162305

    I suspect it was different for Clinton, Regan and FDR because they didn't remove at least 15 large boxes of classified and national security sensitive documents from the Whitehouse with them when they left. A small point of order, I know, but a difference nonetheless.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    This is going to be a big problem...

    Arrived at work tonight to be told “we might have to shut the shop” last week the electric bill came in 10 x dearer today the gas came in, from £900 to £10,058.59 it’s a small family run business here since 1982 this would be tragic! 😢

    #fuelcrisis #Aberdeen https://twitter.com/NatalieAHood/status/1555946745774866440/photo/1
  • Being all woke, I love to see a girl cover Cat Stevens and a guy cover Tina Turner

    Your latter link is broken. Did you mean https://youtu.be/WnNT9L57ybA ?
    Ah.. sorry, I repeated the https in the link

    I meant this one by a chap called Caleb Hawley

    https://youtu.be/NngM5eg7kqY

    The bassist on this is Hagar Ben Ari who plays in James Corden’s The Late Late Show’s band. She used to tour with Sharon Jones. I met her after a gig in London and we’re now friends on Facebook. Turns out we were born on the same day
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    edited August 2022

    ClippP said:

    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?

    I have the same set up, apparently - Asus laptop, Windows 10, turned on just a bit before 6.00. Similar set of problems. Kept going back to Go..... I left it to sort itself out. Seems to be working now. Fortunately.
    Wow that is an interesting coincidence. Probably more than a coincidence then actually.
    I have an ASUS (well, mostly ASUS) PC with Windows 10. It didn't enjoy the most recent update either, took a couple of goes to get it to work.

    At the moment, however, it seems to be stable.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Scott_xP said:

    This is going to be a big problem...

    Arrived at work tonight to be told “we might have to shut the shop” last week the electric bill came in 10 x dearer today the gas came in, from £900 to £10,058.59 it’s a small family run business here since 1982 this would be tragic! 😢

    #fuelcrisis #Aberdeen https://twitter.com/NatalieAHood/status/1555946745774866440/photo/1

    Blimey!
  • ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    Not a member, no. Have been in the past, voted for Cameron, but felt I couldn't be a member after the NI tax hike. Reversing that is a key point of principle for me.

    The lack of balance in how actual Tory members voting here is a bit of a shame, that we get a distorted view in discussions. A bit like how interesting it is that the same certain people seem to be getting asked to engage in opinion polls almost every week it seems.
    That is because Yougov runs a panel of opinion poll respondents. Once you are on the panel, it has more job security than Boris's ethics adviser, although no more power. There is a suspicion that CCHQ attempted to load the panel back in the 2000s.

    This is one reason the polls missed the Brexit result where a lot of new voters emerged from nowhere. I am also mildly sceptical that their panel of Conservative Party members is fully representative after the party increased by half in 2018/19. There might, imo, be a pro-Truss house effect, although there is little doubt she is in the lead.
  • Nigelb said:

    Quite extraordinary (and fact free) op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that former Presidents should be above the law.
    The facts of the case are apparently "beside the point":
    https://mobile.twitter.com/fordm/status/1557539093336162305

    If former presidents are above the Presidential Records Act, who isn't?
  • moonshine said:

    Very good article this … In the UK public sector and in much of the private sector cost cutting is prioritised over investment. We are paying the price for that now in water, energy, health, housing and countless other areas. It’s the British disease.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covid

    The private sector only cares about resilience when the state forces them to, because in most of these industries there’s no financial incentive to care. Therefore, we have no strategic natural gas reserve. Water companies don’t bother equipping pumping stations with diesel generators as standard, ditto telco towers. Energy companies woo naive consumers with penny a unit cheaper fixed priced bills without hedging themselves as the only way to compete. Utilities rely too heavily on spot contracts and don’t take country risk seriously enough in their business models, because nobody else. Etc…
    @SouthamObserver was asking yesterday why Nordic voters put up with high taxes. Resilience planning is a good example: the items you list generally work well in the Nordics.
    Yep - high taxes are tolerable if they deliver big benefits. And they do in the Nordic countries. We need some honesty on all sides about this. Our hybrid system is clearly not working.

  • Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Omicron-specific covid booster vaccines may not be ready for autumn because cuts to regulator the MHRA has meant delays in approving them - 💉scoop by @HugoGye https://inews.co.uk/news/health/new-covid-vaccines-omicron-not-ready-autumn-boosters-nhs-winter-wave-1789089

    sclerotic...

    Please tell me the government did not cut the MHRA two years into a global pandemic.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Scott_xP said:

    This is going to be a big problem...

    Arrived at work tonight to be told “we might have to shut the shop” last week the electric bill came in 10 x dearer today the gas came in, from £900 to £10,058.59 it’s a small family run business here since 1982 this would be tragic! 😢

    #fuelcrisis #Aberdeen https://twitter.com/NatalieAHood/status/1555946745774866440/photo/1

    A point made in the thread is that the cap only applies to domestic users.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    moonshine said:

    Very good article this … In the UK public sector and in much of the private sector cost cutting is prioritised over investment. We are paying the price for that now in water, energy, health, housing and countless other areas. It’s the British disease.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covid

    The private sector only cares about resilience when the state forces them to, because in most of these industries there’s no financial incentive to care. Therefore, we have no strategic natural gas reserve. Water companies don’t bother equipping pumping stations with diesel generators as standard, ditto telco towers. Energy companies woo naive consumers with penny a unit cheaper fixed priced bills without hedging themselves as the only way to compete. Utilities rely too heavily on spot contracts and don’t take country risk seriously enough in their business models, because nobody else. Etc…
    @SouthamObserver was asking yesterday why Nordic voters put up with high taxes. Resilience planning is a good example: the items you list generally work well in the Nordics.
    Yep - high taxes are tolerable if they deliver big benefits. And they do in the Nordic countries. We need some honesty on all sides about this. Our hybrid system is clearly not working.

    I think this is Rishi's pitch and you know what they say - the secret of success is sincerity, once you can fake that you've got it made.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Being all woke, I love to see a girl cover Cat Stevens and a guy cover Tina Turner

    Your latter link is broken. Did you mean https://youtu.be/WnNT9L57ybA ?
    Ah.. sorry, I repeated the https in the link

    I meant this one by a chap called Caleb Hawley

    https://youtu.be/NngM5eg7kqY

    The bassist on this is Hagar Ben Ari who plays in James Corden’s The Late Late Show’s band. She used to tour with Sharon Jones. I met her after a gig in London and we’re now friends on Facebook. Turns out we were born on the same day
    Girls covering Cat Stevens is not unusual. Both PP Arnold and Sheryl Crowe have performed sublime versions of "The First Cut is the Deepest" for starters.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,900
    edited August 2022
    Sandpit said:

    PB Brains Trust - Can I ask for help figuring out what's gone wrong with my Laptop? Windows 10.

    TL;DR - It kept failing to boot this morning, repeatedly, failing every repair and diagnostic I tried, then booted up like normal and seems to be working fine.

    Woke up this morning ~6:30am and the Laptop was on a pre-boot Win 10 menu saying it had failed to boot correctly, I hadn't restarted it so it must have restarted itself (or an automatic Windows update had restarted it). It was working normally at 1am last night before I went to sleep.

    Tried restarting, it just showed the Asus logo with a spinning circle that stopped spinning then crashed and restarted automatically to show error options. This is happened every time. Chose advanced option -> scan for problems, crash and restart back to menu. Tried system restore back to an automatic backup from yesterday, installed restore OK but when tried to boot again crash and back to menu.

    Tried scanning for errors again, this time it said it was going to check the Disk and that it could take an hour. Went to make a coffee, by time I got back it was back on the menu again, didn't say what had happened with the scan.

    Chose boot option of disabling automatic restart after crashes, thinking it might show me an error message as to what's causing the crash, it didn't just showed the Asus logo with the spinning circle frozen after it crashed until I pressed and held the power button to turn it off.

    This time I chose to just restart, since it was the first time I'd powered it off fully via the button. It booted up normally.

    Windows isn't showing any errors and the Event Viewer log is distinctly unhelpful just showing a critical error that the operating system shut down at 3:12am this morning for a planned service pack, and that at 6:35am (when I finally got into Windows) that there was a critical error flag that it had rebooted without cleanly shutting down first.

    The failure to boot repeatedly without any error message as to why, and now seemingly operating like normal, is striking me as odd and I'm concerned that there might be something wrong that's worse next time. I have the notification in the corner from Windows Update too saying that the system needs to restart for an update, but I'm not sure if that's the update that may have been rolled back and may have potentially caused all this to begin with so nervous about restarting before I have more of an idea as to what's going on.

    Any ideas what to try next to see what's wrong?

    That sounds like some sort of hardware or driver error causing a crash. Check that the main chipset and graphics drivers are up to date. Also disable the Windows Update Service until you’ve resolved the issue, that will stop the endless reboots.
    Tuesday (night) was patch Tuesday (which for some will have run into last night). My guess is the laptop choked on the heavy Windows update which it automatically downloaded, installed then rebooted. Check the update history to see if the most recent updates succeeded or failed.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    One for @Sandpit - This is a very sophisticated social hacking attempt, including a means of getting and using software based 2FA details

    https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/10/cloudflare_twilio_phishing/

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Omicron-specific covid booster vaccines may not be ready for autumn because cuts to regulator the MHRA has meant delays in approving them - 💉scoop by @HugoGye https://inews.co.uk/news/health/new-covid-vaccines-omicron-not-ready-autumn-boosters-nhs-winter-wave-1789089

    sclerotic...

    Please tell me the government did not cut the MHRA two years into a global pandemic.
    Another Brexit dividend, since the removal of the EMA from London allowed for more nimble regulation...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Quite extraordinary (and fact free) op-ed in the Wall Street Journal arguing that former Presidents should be above the law.
    The facts of the case are apparently "beside the point":
    https://mobile.twitter.com/fordm/status/1557539093336162305

    If former presidents are above the Presidential Records Act, who isn't?
    And perhaps more pertinently, the legislation, introduced by Trump himself, which made the removal of classified documents a felony crime.

    The extraordinary thing is that the opinion piece's entire argument (and this from a Pulitzer prize winning journalist) is this:
    "An FBI raid against a former president should never happen. End of discussion."

    No facts, no discussion of law. Just "end of".
    They're right.

    They shouldn't happen.

    Because Presidents should obey their own laws. Then raids wouldn't be needed.

    It's deliciously ironic his malicious actions against Clinton are what's causing this issue. Karma's only a bitch if you are.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    Good morning one and all. And another fine bright morning!
    Had a somewhat alarming discussion with one of my nieces last night. Her mother, my little sister (she's a couple of years younger than me) is in and out of hospital as a result of various issues and my niece is rather concerned because the staff appear appear to be "burning out". That's not one or two of them; that's all of those that she sees!
  • moonshine said:

    Selebian said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    There will be lots of lurkers and non-regular posters who will have voted Truss but not posted on here, because the vibe is so clearly anti-her on here.

    Don't be too influenced by what you see.
    It’s interesting in real life that lots of people have very strong negative views on Truss (not predisposed to voting Tory). When you ask why you get incredulous giggles and not a lot else. “She’s going to be a f**** disaster”. Why? “Come on mate she’s terrible”. Why?

    Quite an interesting phenomenon given almost no one can tell you a single thing about her other than she dresses a bit like thatcher sometimes. And even this is pretty misleading, as we have discussed Maggie never wore the sorts of risqué stuff Truss does.

    I’ll bet 95% of voters are expecting an uber right wing culture wars warrior. When what they’re getting is an ex Lib Dem that is on the verge of having triangulated the Tory parliamentary party to win the crown. Fascinating times.
    Yep, interesting to see whether she does a starmer and woos the loons only to ditch them when in place.
    Starmer could ditch the loons because they ran against him and lost heavily and because they had very little support among MPs. And because they were really bad at the behind-the-scenes stuff.

    The MPs bit may apply to Truss. The first one doesn’t, the third one doesn’t seem to. Truss also seems to believe what she is saying, so any u-turns are going to lack credibility.

    The ERG is very loud and very well-organised, with a direct route into the comment and news
    desks of the Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express.

    That’s a long way of saying, she will have little
    room for manoeuvre.

    The main advantage Starmer has in bringing his party back to the centre is that they are not in power and have not been for 12 long years. Long enough to knock the complacency out of his opponents (largely).

    On the other hand, the Labour left have a set of policy objectives that is nowhere near coming to fruition that they still want to fight for deep in their bones. For the ERG their war has already been won, it’s more about tying up the loose ends in the resultant peace treaty. There is far less Truss could do to upset them, as there is no realistic appetite across the party to join the customs union or single market. Everything else is small potatoes to the erg.

    The one significant loose end post-Brexit is Northern Ireland and the Protocol problems, which erstwhile Remainers are desperate to use as justification to try to join the customs union or single market. I suspect the ERG want Truss to win as she has a plan for dealing that.

    Passing her NI Protocol Bill (or getting an agreement with Brussels on reform so it no longer becomes necessary) will resolve that loose end.

    Other than that, I'm not sure what it is that the ERG would even want now, since Brexit is done. Many of the same personalities behind the ERG were also the most Lockdown skeptical, but Covid is done now too, so that's moot too.

    The ERG wanted Brexit done for a purpose - a much smaller state, much lower taxes, much lower public spending, much less regulation, far fewer employment, environmental and food protections etc etc. There is also the whole Net Zero argument, which the ERG seems to have a very specific set of ideas on. Truss will have to deliver on all those or the Betrayal narratives will begin to get loud very quickly.

    Some of the ERG, certainly. It is not an homogeneous bloc.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    eek said:

    One for @Sandpit - This is a very sophisticated social hacking attempt, including a means of getting and using software based 2FA details

    https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/10/cloudflare_twilio_phishing/

    Interesting. We use DNS filtering which would have blocked this bit for users on-net

    in this case the domain had been registered less than 40 minutes before the phishing messages were sent, and so it had not yet been detected.

    We block any domains less than 3 days old. Really pisses off the developers.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This is going to be a big problem...

    Arrived at work tonight to be told “we might have to shut the shop” last week the electric bill came in 10 x dearer today the gas came in, from £900 to £10,058.59 it’s a small family run business here since 1982 this would be tragic! 😢

    #fuelcrisis #Aberdeen https://twitter.com/NatalieAHood/status/1555946745774866440/photo/1

    A point made in the thread is that the cap only applies to domestic users.
    It doesn’t stop the price going up though.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Omicron-specific covid booster vaccines may not be ready for autumn because cuts to regulator the MHRA has meant delays in approving them - 💉scoop by @HugoGye https://inews.co.uk/news/health/new-covid-vaccines-omicron-not-ready-autumn-boosters-nhs-winter-wave-1789089

    sclerotic...

    Please tell me the government did not cut the MHRA two years into a global pandemic.
    There was no evidence in that story that any delay will (a) occur and (b) would be down to 'cuts'. A lot of MHRA approval is done by academics on panels/committees. I'd note its August and people are on holiday. Its also up to the vaccine producers to bring forward the evidence and it must be looked at properly, especially as we are now outside the most desperate phase of the pandemic.

    The story looks like an insider with an axe to grind to me.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    eek said:

    One for @Sandpit - This is a very sophisticated social hacking attempt, including a means of getting and using software based 2FA details

    https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/10/cloudflare_twilio_phishing/

    Thanks. Another one to add to the long list of why SMS-as-a-password is a stupid idea. Thankfully in this case, the attackers didn’t sufficiently understand the business process, and (as you’d expect at a company like Cloudflare) staff were well trained on spotting unusual activity. +1 for YubiKey by the way, token-based security is the way forward.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362

    Good morning one and all. And another fine bright morning!
    Had a somewhat alarming discussion with one of my nieces last night. Her mother, my little sister (she's a couple of years younger than me) is in and out of hospital as a result of various issues and my niece is rather concerned because the staff appear appear to be "burning out". That's not one or two of them; that's all of those that she sees!

    We have a hospital doctor in my knitting group who has recently changed to a daytime shift that starts at 9am. She's still enjoying the novelty of a relative lie-in compared to an 8am start.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Sandpit said:

    +1 for YubiKey by the way, token-based security is the way forward.

    Indeed.

    I have a bunch of them. Bought them for all my family as Xmas presents.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,643
    Ukrainian propaganda video, featuring Bananarama:

    https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1557621932429819907
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    1h
    Not sure what the debate is. Gordon Brown is clearly right. If the energy companies are unwilling or unable to provide their services at a price millions can afford, they are going to have to be brought under public control until the crisis abates. It’s not a difficult one.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1557616619635068928
  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    1h
    Not sure what the debate is. Gordon Brown is clearly right. If the energy companies are unwilling or unable to provide their services at a price millions can afford, they are going to have to be brought under public control until the crisis abates. It’s not a difficult one.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1557616619635068928

    I agree with Gordon. It's time for the Government to act or people are going to go homeless and the companies are going to go bust anyway
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Ukrainian propaganda video, featuring Bananarama:

    https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1557621932429819907

    Hmmm.

    Am I the only person now wondering what's changed in the last few days that Zelensky is suddenly talking about liberating Crimea having in the past indicated it might be possible to accept at least de facto Russian sovereignty?

    And then there are a series of explosions which the Ukrainians officially deny responsibility for?

    Plus this openly threatening video?

    What have they now got that they didn't have before, and what are they planning to do with it?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,949
    edited August 2022

    moonshine said:

    Very good article this … In the UK public sector and in much of the private sector cost cutting is prioritised over investment. We are paying the price for that now in water, energy, health, housing and countless other areas. It’s the British disease.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covid

    The private sector only cares about resilience when the state forces them to, because in most of these industries there’s no financial incentive to care. Therefore, we have no strategic natural gas reserve. Water companies don’t bother equipping pumping stations with diesel generators as standard, ditto telco towers. Energy companies woo naive consumers with penny a unit cheaper fixed priced bills without hedging themselves as the only way to compete. Utilities rely too heavily on spot contracts and don’t take country risk seriously enough in their business models, because nobody else. Etc…
    @SouthamObserver was asking yesterday why Nordic voters put up with high taxes. Resilience planning is a good example: the items you list generally work well in the Nordics.
    Yep - high taxes are tolerable if they deliver big benefits. And they do in the Nordic countries. We need some honesty on all sides about this. Our hybrid system is clearly not working.

    Depends what you look at. Switzerland and Singapore for example have lower taxes than both us and the Nordics and higher gdp per capita than us and every Nordic nation except Norway. Ireland also has lower taxes than us and higher gdp per capita now even than Norway. Singapore also tops the PISA rankings for education through high standards more than high spending.

    The UK also has more median wealth per head than Sweden does
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Not sure what the debate is. Gordon Brown is clearly right. If the energy companies are unwilling or unable to provide their services at a price millions can afford, they are going to have to be brought under public control until the crisis abates. It’s not a difficult one.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1557616619635068928

    I agree with Gordon. It's time for the Government to act or people are going to go homeless and the companies are going to go bust anyway
    Potentially a situation is developing where literally millions of people are in heavy debt to utility companies. Will they cut off millions of people? How will they cope with having to write it all off?

  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Not sure what the debate is. Gordon Brown is clearly right. If the energy companies are unwilling or unable to provide their services at a price millions can afford, they are going to have to be brought under public control until the crisis abates. It’s not a difficult one.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1557616619635068928

    I agree with Gordon. It's time for the Government to act or people are going to go homeless and the companies are going to go bust anyway
    Potentially a situation is developing where literally millions of people are in heavy debt to utility companies. Will they cut off millions of people? How will they cope with having to write it all off?

    As far as I understand it, it's months of legal proceedings to actually cut you off from the supply. Are they going to take millions of people to court?

    It's time for the Government to step in, Labour should go big on this, what better use of the state is there than to prevent people becoming homeless?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    ydoethur said:

    Ukrainian propaganda video, featuring Bananarama:

    https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1557621932429819907

    Hmmm.

    Am I the only person now wondering what's changed in the last few days that Zelensky is suddenly talking about liberating Crimea having in the past indicated it might be possible to accept at least de facto Russian sovereignty?

    And then there are a series of explosions which the Ukrainians officially deny responsibility for?

    Plus this openly threatening video?

    What have they now got that they didn't have before, and what are they planning to do with it?
    What they’ve got is the long-range HIMARS, known as ATACMS:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS

    What they’re planning to do with it, is to gently persuade the Russians to F off back to Russia.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,643
    ydoethur said:

    Ukrainian propaganda video, featuring Bananarama:

    https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1557621932429819907

    Hmmm.

    Am I the only person now wondering what's changed in the last few days that Zelensky is suddenly talking about liberating Crimea having in the past indicated it might be possible to accept at least de facto Russian sovereignty?

    And then there are a series of explosions which the Ukrainians officially deny responsibility for?

    Plus this openly threatening video?

    What have they now got that they didn't have before, and what are they planning to do with it?
    Continuing the 80s theme, “we’ve got a fuzzbox and we’re gonna use it”?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited August 2022

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Not sure what the debate is. Gordon Brown is clearly right. If the energy companies are unwilling or unable to provide their services at a price millions can afford, they are going to have to be brought under public control until the crisis abates. It’s not a difficult one.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1557616619635068928

    Good morning

    This was discussed on 5 live business this morning and the view was that the complexity of taking control of the energy companies and the time required was such that it would not help in the present crisis

    Edit - Labour spokesperson on Sky this am said labour are not considering nationalising the energy companies
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Not sure what the debate is. Gordon Brown is clearly right. If the energy companies are unwilling or unable to provide their services at a price millions can afford, they are going to have to be brought under public control until the crisis abates. It’s not a difficult one.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1557616619635068928

    I agree with Gordon. It's time for the Government to act or people are going to go homeless and the companies are going to go bust anyway
    Potentially a situation is developing where literally millions of people are in heavy debt to utility companies. Will they cut off millions of people? How will they cope with having to write it all off?

    Depends on the company. British Gas could absorb the losses due to the profits elsewhere in the business. Octopus Energy on the other hand...

    But of course, no private company will bear social losses indefinitely. If that continued for any length of time the larger companies could exit the UK market and leave the utility network renationalised by default.
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