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  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    Mortimer said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    I think Mortimer has voted for her.
    I have.

    That Corp tax rise has to go. That NI rise has to go.

    I don't want someone that Roger thinks of like Tony Blair as a Tory leader....
    Truss will be a plodder, but effective imo. She will surprise a lot on the upside.
    Reading the comments here she can hardly surprise on the downside.

    She is energetic, so the random policy generator will be turbo-charged.

    It is possible that she may be in luck though. Both German and US inflation figures were better this month. A turn or just a pause? Time will tell.

    I see too that Germany has announced €10billion in tax cuts to help families. Higher personal allowances, increased children's allowances and raising of thresholds to curb fiscal drag. Lizzy take note.
    Yes increase in personal allowance and 40% threshold by CPI say 10% = 👍
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    I rather like w3w. When I lost my wallet last week the finder sent me a w3w location of the spot to meet him to effect its return.
    But that was the first time I've ever used it and the old fashioned vague description would probably have worked just as well. I'm not entirely sure what vital niche it fills. It's an admirably creative solution to a problem I personally have never had.
    But I suppose lots of things fall into that category. Things don't have to be useful to me personally in order to be useful.
    My sister - an avid camper - says she uses it all the time when camping. I had no idea, but I can now see why

    Every single UK emergency service: every ambulance, fire and police service, is asking people to download it. Check Twitter

    Imagine you are in a field and you see a fire starting (say, during this heatwave). You can go on Google maps and put a pin down and share that (awkwardly) or you can use W3W and share it in seconds with complete, memorable precision. The fire is staring in ///dildo.whatever.ouch

    It's much more intuitive

    Ditto wildlife crimes, or wandering mad grandparents, or lost pets, or bigfoot seen here, etc etc etc

    I don't think first responders would be asking people to use this service, unless they genuinely believed it made things easier, quicker and safer
  • BournvilleBournville Posts: 309
    I have absolutely no idea what is going on with the polling; it doesn't seem to be reflected in what I'm hearing from the association members in my patch. I'm inclined to trust YouGov over my anecdotal reckonings, but I'm very confused. It doesn't feel like a Johnson 2019 style landslide at all.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    https://what3words.com/random.policy.generator



    It's in Brazil. I was kinda hoping it would be in Finland
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Are we seriously suggesting the Conservative Party, having effectively defenestrated their last three leaders would oust a fourth before said leader had even faced the electorate?

    Is there any modern precedent for a Prime Minister to be installed without a General Election and to be ousted without having contested a General Election as Prime Minister? I can't think of one since 1918 - might have been one earlier of course.

    Neville Chamberlain, though he resigned rather than was ousted
    Like Boris Johnson, Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher, then.
    Every Tory leader since Baldwin has been ousted, or resigned for health reasons just before they would have been removed anyway. And Baldwin was in such danger of being overthrown at one point the Times set up a leader in proof announcing his resignation.

    And two of his three immediate predecessors suffered the same fate.

    Since Salisbury retired in 1902 leaders of the Conservative Party have usually not ended well, no matter who or what they were.
    David Cameron (pbuh) wasn't ousted nor resigned for health reasons.

    IIRC he is the only Prime Minister to resign when leading in the polls.
    True, except insofar as having lost a referendum he would have been in short order.

    Incidentally the sturgeon moon is nearly to the full, and mighty impressive it is too. Must be near its perigee to be that large.
    Yes, when it came up over the sea this evening I thought it was full moon already, but that seems to be Friday
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,644
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    https://what3words.com/random.policy.generator


    It's in Brazil. I was kinda hoping it would be in Finland

    I thought I could crack the code by looking up "mums.the.word", but, alas, it doesn't point anywhere.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Leon said:

    https://what3words.com/random.policy.generator



    It's in Brazil. I was kinda hoping it would be in Finland

    Chained to a radiator in Liz Truss' basement.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    In the sea with you my friend. ;)

    https://what3words.com/tiresome.daylong.enthusiasm
    hahaha

    See, tho, it is fun. This is one reason people are embracing it, and I don't think techie types quite understand that

    They seem to have done a good job at ferreting out rude or words with double entendres. Best I have found so far is Wizard.Sleeve.Body in Aus....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    Leon said:

    https://what3words.com/random.policy.generator


    It's in Brazil. I was kinda hoping it would be in Finland

    I thought I could crack the code by looking up "mums.the.word", but, alas, it doesn't point anywhere.
    I recommend a holiday in the woods just outside Tuscumbia, Missouri


    https://what3words.com/politicians.sheep.scandal
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    In the sea with you my friend. ;)

    https://what3words.com/tiresome.daylong.enthusiasm
    hahaha

    See, tho, it is fun. This is one reason people are embracing it, and I don't think techie types quite understand that

    They seem to have done a good job at ferreting out rude or words with double entendres. Best I have found so far is Wizard.Sleeve.Body in Aus....
    You gotta work hard to make something from that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    This one is Rishi's undersea lair.

    https://what3words.com/treat.like.conscript
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    pm215 said:

    MaxPB said:


    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    This is more like "if you don't get it right over the course of nine years don't bother", though... Gmail, iPhone and AWS all demonstrated that they could move from "cool idea with promise" to "clearly profitable winning product and business model" in that timeframe.
    You’ve not followed biotech development, then.
    At least 10 years is usually needed to get a drug from discovery to approval. It’s only them that you find out whether you can make a profit with it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    https://what3words.com/random.policy.generator



    It's in Brazil. I was kinda hoping it would be in Finland

    Chained to a radiator in Liz Truss' basement.
    OMG.

    This could be such fun.

    https://what3words.com/betting.fools.loss

    ... is somewhere up a mountain in Alaska

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    In the sea with you my friend. ;)

    https://what3words.com/tiresome.daylong.enthusiasm
    hahaha

    See, tho, it is fun. This is one reason people are embracing it, and I don't think techie types quite understand that

    They seem to have done a good job at ferreting out rude or words with double entendres. Best I have found so far is Wizard.Sleeve.Body in Aus....
    You gotta work hard to make something from that.
    Not in Aus. Don't suggest your Sheila has a Wizard Sleeve body.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    W3W is going to be fucking great for kids picking magic mushrooms

    https://what3words.com/mushrooms.plenty.field


    No, really, it will. You find a big autumn crop of Liberty Caps. You want to tell your friends exactly WHAT corner of that obscure damp meadow near Hay Bluff has a fab harvest of psilocybin semilanceata

    Well, now you know how to do it. Precisely
  • @Leon you should get to ///shock.lately.cats

    Dexter Wansel, Roy Ayers and the Jungle Brothers are all playing this month
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,250
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    Big bugbear for me this - the idea that scientists and ‘people in tech’ are not creative. Utter rubbish. Where do you think the tech comes from? It doesn’t just happen. Really smart people have ideas and then make stuff happen.

    Creativity isn’t just writing trash airport fiction, however lucrative that can be.
    OK, I'll rephrase. They are not known for their "imaginative emotional intelligence"

    Three words is a genius way of describing every single 3 sq m place on earth. Three words!!


    https://what3words.com/lakes.flames.riots
    Has L'Académie française had anything to say about it? Or Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? It's an effective way to plant the anglosphere's muddy footprint on every 3m square in the world but it's easy to imagine why lesser folk might take offence.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    Big bugbear for me this - the idea that scientists and ‘people in tech’ are not creative. Utter rubbish. Where do you think the tech comes from? It doesn’t just happen. Really smart people have ideas and then make stuff happen.

    Creativity isn’t just writing trash airport fiction, however lucrative that can be.
    OK, I'll rephrase. They are not known for their "imaginative emotional intelligence"

    Three words is a genius way of describing every single 3 sq m place on earth. Three words!!


    https://what3words.com/lakes.flames.riots
    Has L'Académie française had anything to say about it? Or Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? It's an effective way to plant the anglosphere's muddy footprint on every 3m square in the world but it's easy to imagine why lesser folk might take offence.
    They have made it available in 57 languages. Every 3sq m corner has a different French, Italian, Arabic, Punjabi. Chinese, Swahili name. Etc etc. Probably Welsh, too

    However I see your point, but I don't see any way of avoiding it. If W3W becomes the global standard then every 3sq m will have two names - the local name and the default English name

    Thus the hegemony of English will extend. Oh well
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    W3W surely ripe for an acquisition. Apple would like it

    I'd have guessed at Amazon or Google. They could integrate it into their cloud services API. The maximum value is probably not in the billions, I'd guess as high as a billion because it's a value add rather than a revolutionary new product.

    As for your previous comment, I had the original iPhone and was an alpha and beta tester for Gmail. The iPhone was part revolutionary part complete shit, an internet and media device which had EDGE and so many software glitches. Yet it was a completely new way of doing something and the potential was clear. A UK company that invented the iPhone (Palm) didn't see the same potential and investors didn't either. It went bankrupt. On Gmail, the first iteration was far, far worse than the Outlook desktop app it intended to replace and worse than Hotmail which it intended to compete with in the online space. It took multiple iterations and development time to Gmail close to working and then all of the bolt on apps like docs to make the internet only email experience worthwhile.

    Anyway, my point is that American companies and investors recognise potential far better than we do and that's why we have few to no tech champions. Even a company like ARM which is hugely successful as an IP licencing company is far, far behind AMD and Nvidia as a fabless microprocessor company.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    W3W is going to be fucking great for kids picking magic mushrooms

    https://what3words.com/mushrooms.plenty.field


    No, really, it will. You find a big autumn crop of Liberty Caps. You want to tell your friends exactly WHAT corner of that obscure damp meadow near Hay Bluff has a fab harvest of psilocybin semilanceata

    Well, now you know how to do it. Precisely

    I once scored quite excellent mushrooms in a squat in Maida Vale. Enquiring about the bloke's familiar accent, it turns out he picked them from a cemetery not 200 yards from my parents' home in Wigan and had brought them down specifically to sell.
    I had lived there till I was 18 completely oblivious to the fact it was a prime location.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    If W3W uses 3x3 squares and the world is broadly a sphere, what projection mapping are they using?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,250
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    Big bugbear for me this - the idea that scientists and ‘people in tech’ are not creative. Utter rubbish. Where do you think the tech comes from? It doesn’t just happen. Really smart people have ideas and then make stuff happen.

    Creativity isn’t just writing trash airport fiction, however lucrative that can be.
    OK, I'll rephrase. They are not known for their "imaginative emotional intelligence"

    Three words is a genius way of describing every single 3 sq m place on earth. Three words!!


    https://what3words.com/lakes.flames.riots
    Has L'Académie française had anything to say about it? Or Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? It's an effective way to plant the anglosphere's muddy footprint on every 3m square in the world but it's easy to imagine why lesser folk might take offence.
    They have made it available in 57 languages. Every 3sq m corner has a different French, Italian, Arabic, Punjabi. Chinese, Swahili name. Etc etc. Probably Welsh, too

    However I see your point, but I don't see any way of avoiding it. If W3W becomes the global standard then every 3sq m will have two names - the local name and the default English name

    Thus the hegemony of English will extend. Oh well
    That's remarkable. I wonder if other languages have enough words. English is exceptional because it has hoovered up a few other languages en passant and rightly deserves its hegemony.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    Cough. Cough. Erm... Ladies and gentlemen, I think I have the winner:

    https://what3words.com/pizza.pineapple.topping

    Somewhere in Eastern Russia near Amga, Republic of Sakha.

    *applauds*
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    If you want secret.politics.gossip, you need to get over to the southern bank of the Nanuki River...
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    For @BlancheLivermore and other budding gardeners-

    Cane toppers: essential to avoid eye accidents.

    See here - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thick-Rubber-Garden-Safety-Toppers/dp/B077DV5WW6.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679

    Cough. Cough. Erm... Ladies and gentlemen, I think I have the winner:

    https://what3words.com/pizza.pineapple.topping

    Somewhere in Eastern Russia near Amga, Republic of Sakha.

    Hmm.

    https://what3words.com/like.radio.head

    On the outskirts of Cambridge.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,664

    Kind of odd that this story isn’t more prominent?

    https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-62492374

    Yeah, weird. There were loads of helicopters going across from Inverness, and police were taking the Achnasheen road as you can hit some serious speeds on that one.

    The police thought it was Cumbria 2 and hit every red button.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720

    If W3W uses 3x3 squares and the world is broadly a sphere, what projection mapping are they using?

    There's always one. :smiley:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    Big bugbear for me this - the idea that scientists and ‘people in tech’ are not creative. Utter rubbish. Where do you think the tech comes from? It doesn’t just happen. Really smart people have ideas and then make stuff happen.

    Creativity isn’t just writing trash airport fiction, however lucrative that can be.
    OK, I'll rephrase. They are not known for their "imaginative emotional intelligence"

    Three words is a genius way of describing every single 3 sq m place on earth. Three words!!


    https://what3words.com/lakes.flames.riots
    Has L'Académie française had anything to say about it? Or Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? It's an effective way to plant the anglosphere's muddy footprint on every 3m square in the world but it's easy to imagine why lesser folk might take offence.
    They have made it available in 57 languages. Every 3sq m corner has a different French, Italian, Arabic, Punjabi. Chinese, Swahili name. Etc etc. Probably Welsh, too

    However I see your point, but I don't see any way of avoiding it. If W3W becomes the global standard then every 3sq m will have two names - the local name and the default English name

    Thus the hegemony of English will extend. Oh well
    That's remarkable. I wonder if other languages have enough words. English is exceptional because it has hoovered up a few other languages en passant and rightly deserves its hegemony.
    Yes, I don't know how they've done it, English has a bigger vocab than any other language by a distance, and they still nearly maxed out. They've got 57 trillion geo-terms and apparently there are 62 trillion three word phrase combos in English (which aren't racist, or sexist, or porno, etc)

    Perhaps they used a lot of plurals with smaller, lesser languages?

    Anyway I suspect English will be the default for many
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,134
    Nigelb said:

    You’ve not followed biotech development, then.
    At least 10 years is usually needed to get a drug from discovery to approval. It’s only them that you find out whether you can make a profit with it.

    That's why biotech is a more painful field to invest in. Anyway, as far as I'm aware w3w are not raising investment on the basis of "we have a 10 to 15 year master plan that we hope will will lead us to profitability but you'll need to keep believing because of these good reasons why it'll take 10 years", so the analogy doesn't really hold.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    W3W has not had any problem raising money: they've got to Series C with $65m raised (even before crowdfunding).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Sad news about Raymond Briggs.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Astonishing attacks on Rishi by Team Liz.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1557476914280931331?s=21&t=NuZvBAgu6yzzzXy6SFpXcA

    This goes far beyond what we’ve seen in previous leadership races, and begs questions about what the point is at this stage?

    It feels less like a leadership race and more like a civil war.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    Andy_JS said:

    Sad news about Raymond Briggs.

    Is he voting for Rishi?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Apparently the rise of Liz Truss was foretold 40 years ago…by Roald Dahl.


  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Are we seriously suggesting the Conservative Party, having effectively defenestrated their last three leaders would oust a fourth before said leader had even faced the electorate?

    Is there any modern precedent for a Prime Minister to be installed without a General Election and to be ousted without having contested a General Election as Prime Minister? I can't think of one since 1918 - might have been one earlier of course.

    Neville Chamberlain, though he resigned rather than was ousted
    Like Boris Johnson, Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher, then.
    Every Tory leader since Baldwin has been ousted, or resigned for health reasons just before they would have been removed anyway. And Baldwin was in such danger of being overthrown at one point the Times set up a leader in proof announcing his resignation.

    And two of his three immediate predecessors suffered the same fate.

    Since Salisbury retired in 1902 leaders of the Conservative Party have usually not ended well, no matter who or what they were.
    All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture*, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs.

    * like death
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    Not very respectful, those Chinese:

    https://what3words.com/flint.napping.fool
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Astonishing attacks on Rishi by Team Liz.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1557476914280931331?s=21&t=NuZvBAgu6yzzzXy6SFpXcA

    This goes far beyond what we’ve seen in previous leadership races, and begs questions about what the point is at this stage?

    It feels less like a leadership race and more like a civil war.

    Someone's forgotten about Gove stabbing Boris in the back last time but one, followed by Leadsom inelegantly making a thing out of May being childless and being forced out.

    This is all absolute rubbish - there is no way to have a leadership election without some blood being spilt, and it's all been reasonably policy-based attacks; almost nothing personal (and most of the personal stuff has come from Dorries).
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,134
    MaxPB said:

    Anyway, my point is that American companies and investors recognise potential far better than we do and that's why we have few to no tech champions. Even a company like ARM which is hugely successful as an IP licencing company is far, far behind AMD and Nvidia as a fabless microprocessor company.

    Arm succeeded because of its business model (the tech is good but not world-dominatingly so without the businese model), but it's also the business model that means it's a small company at the centre of a web of partner companies rather than doing everything itself. If it had tried doing everything itself it would very likely have failed like almost every other microprocessor company (and there are a lot of also-rans in the field). Take MIPS as a US example.

    (Coincidentally it's the business model where w3w is a bit shaky, and I think their problems are there rather than in not getting enough investment.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    dixiedean said:

    ISIS Beatle arrested at Luton Airport.
    After being deported from Turkey after serving sentence.

    Wait: is it Ringo or Paul who is the ISIS Beatle?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    AWS was definitely not useless when it launched. When it launched it was basically just EC2, which was nicely-implemented way to rent CPU power via an API. This was a niche rather than the general-purpose platform it eventually turned into, but it was definitely a useful product.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited August 2022
    Endillion said:

    Astonishing attacks on Rishi by Team Liz.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1557476914280931331?s=21&t=NuZvBAgu6yzzzXy6SFpXcA

    This goes far beyond what we’ve seen in previous leadership races, and begs questions about what the point is at this stage?

    It feels less like a leadership race and more like a civil war.

    Someone's forgotten about Gove stabbing Boris in the back last time but one, followed by Leadsom inelegantly making a thing out of May being childless and being forced out.

    This is all absolute rubbish - there is no way to have a leadership election without some blood being spilt, and it's all been reasonably policy-based attacks; almost nothing personal (and most of the personal stuff has come from Dorries).
    Gove’s front-stab on Boris was sui generis. Because Boris.

    Leadsom’s grandmotherly claims were made sotto voce and caused such an uproar she was forced to self-eject.
  • I think this might be the best ever track that Youtube has ever played next for me

    Newen Afrobeat feat. Seun Kuti & Cheick Tidiane Seck - Opposite People (Fela Kuti)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFSRCG4DrmI
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,644
    There are rumours of multiple explosions at the airbase in Belarus that has been used in the past to launch missiles at Ukraine.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    I think this might be the best ever track that Youtube has ever played next for me

    Newen Afrobeat feat. Seun Kuti & Cheick Tidiane Seck - Opposite People (Fela Kuti)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFSRCG4DrmI

    Have you seen this one? A bit obsessed by it at the moment.

    Khala My Friend, by Amanaz.

    https://youtu.be/GjUOYLJ8IYI
  • https://what3words.com/secret.political.gossip is in the Trondheim Fjord.

    OK, it's not Finland, but the truth is out there. (Admittedly, it's a rather soggy truth.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    edited August 2022
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    I rather like w3w. When I lost my wallet last week the finder sent me a w3w location of the spot to meet him to effect its return.
    But that was the first time I've ever used it and the old fashioned vague description would probably have worked just as well. I'm not entirely sure what vital niche it fills. It's an admirably creative solution to a problem I personally have never had.
    But I suppose lots of things fall into that category. Things don't have to be useful to me personally in order to be useful.
    There are various codes and identifiers in our lives and some of these are well-designed and some are not.

    Postal codes are well-designed. They encode a lot of information efficiently, and their structure makes them easier to remember, and they enable efficient sorting of mail.

    An HMRC UTR number may have some beneficial attributes I'm not aware of. A check-digit, perhaps. But a 10-digit number is not easy for most people to remember, and for that reason I would say it's poorly-designed, until convinced otherwise.

    Clearly there are lots of coordinate systems or descriptions that one can use to identify specific locations, but the use of words, rather than numbers, make the identifiers much easier to remember, and should have other benefits in terms of error-checking.

    It does seem like the person they stole the idea from had a better idea in using slightly more simpler and more distinct words than using three words from a much larger set. A shame they weren't able to hire a decent patent attorney, rather than relying on advice from randoms on the web to defend their invention.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    Truss: "It seems to me the money is going in [to the NHS] but we are not seeing the impact of the money on the front line.."


    She is going to be an electoral disaster.

    Every rightwing columnist fervently believes this mantra.


    No ordinary voter out in the marginal seats believes a word of it. They just know grandma had to lie in piss sodden pants for 24 hours and uncle fred is on a 18 month waiting list.


    Good luck Tory members.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    W3W has not had any problem raising money: they've got to Series C with $65m raised (even before crowdfunding).

    Yeah, I'd guess that the issue for w3w has been poor iteration of the core product rather than raising money just because the idea and IP is extremely valuable in an era where everyone uses their phones to guide them to wherever it is they're going and having a simple, easy to understand and global system for it is a bloody great idea.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    Big bugbear for me this - the idea that scientists and ‘people in tech’ are not creative. Utter rubbish. Where do you think the tech comes from? It doesn’t just happen. Really smart people have ideas and then make stuff happen.

    Creativity isn’t just writing trash airport fiction, however lucrative that can be.
    OK, I'll rephrase. They are not known for their "imaginative emotional intelligence"

    Three words is a genius way of describing every single 3 sq m place on earth. Three words!!


    https://what3words.com/lakes.flames.riots
    Has L'Académie française had anything to say about it? Or Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? It's an effective way to plant the anglosphere's muddy footprint on every 3m square in the world but it's easy to imagine why lesser folk might take offence.
    They have made it available in 57 languages. Every 3sq m corner has a different French, Italian, Arabic, Punjabi. Chinese, Swahili name. Etc etc. Probably Welsh, too

    However I see your point, but I don't see any way of avoiding it. If W3W becomes the global standard then every 3sq m will have two names - the local name and the default English name

    Thus the hegemony of English will extend. Oh well
    That's remarkable. I wonder if other languages have enough words. English is exceptional because it has hoovered up a few other languages en passant and rightly deserves its hegemony.
    Yes, I don't know how they've done it, English has a bigger vocab than any other language by a distance, and they still nearly maxed out. They've got 57 trillion geo-terms and apparently there are 62 trillion three word phrase combos in English (which aren't racist, or sexist, or porno, etc)

    Perhaps they used a lot of plurals with smaller, lesser languages?

    Anyway I suspect English will be the default for many
    There are plenty of three word combos that don't resolve, so I'm not convinced there are only 62 trillion three word phrase combos.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Even though Liz and Rishi are the biggest disaster of all time I am still not feeling the national enthusiasm for Keir 👍

    I doubt you'd ever feel the love for any of the Labour runners and riders: Nandy, Reeves, Streeting or (insert name here).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    I rather like w3w. When I lost my wallet last week the finder sent me a w3w location of the spot to meet him to effect its return.
    But that was the first time I've ever used it and the old fashioned vague description would probably have worked just as well. I'm not entirely sure what vital niche it fills. It's an admirably creative solution to a problem I personally have never had.
    But I suppose lots of things fall into that category. Things don't have to be useful to me personally in order to be useful.
    There are various codes and identifiers in our lives and some of these are well-designed and some are not.

    Postal codes are well-designed. They encode a lot of information efficiently, and their structure makes them easier to remember, and they enable efficient sorting of mail.

    An HMRC UTR number may have some beneficial attributes I'm not aware of. A check-digit, perhaps. But a 10-digit number is not easy for most people to remember, and for that reason I would say it's poorly-designed, until convinced otherwise.

    Clearly there are lots of coordinate systems or descriptions that one can use to identify specific locations, but the use of words, rather than numbers, make the identifiers much easier to remember, and should have other benefits in terms of error-checking.

    It does seem like the person they stole the idea from had a better idea in using slightly more simpler and more distinct words than using three words from a much larger set. A shame they weren't able to hire a decent patent attorney, rather than relying on advice from randoms on the web to defend their invention.
    I've seen that guy's claims

    He says he used just 1000 words turned into multiple chains of 5 words. That's a shite idea because so many words will be repeated constantly it makes them all highly similar (If I have got it right)

    Besides, he might be talking bollox, trying to grab the glory of someone else's idea, when the idea was just in the air, waiting to be plucked. Weren't there about fifteen people who had the idea for the lightbulb? See also Darwin and others and evolution, and so forth
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    AWS was definitely not useless when it launched. When it launched it was basically just EC2, which was nicely-implemented way to rent CPU power via an API. This was a niche rather than the general-purpose platform it eventually turned into, but it was definitely a useful product.
    Yeah maybe useless was over egging it a bit, I'd revised AWS to niche product. The key was rapid iteration and feature additions by investing capital. UK tech companies don't seem to really do that's everything is very geared towards extracting value today rather than building value for tomorrow and that means if a company is unable to extract value today it is deemed unviable.
  • I think this might be the best ever track that Youtube has ever played next for me

    Newen Afrobeat feat. Seun Kuti & Cheick Tidiane Seck - Opposite People (Fela Kuti)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFSRCG4DrmI

    Have you seen this one? A bit obsessed by it at the moment.

    Khala My Friend, by Amanaz.

    https://youtu.be/GjUOYLJ8IYI
    Oh I like that

    Not sure quite why but reminds me a bit of this

    60,000,000 Buffalo - Lovely Ladies
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaZzdFy7jHo
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    Truss: "It seems to me the money is going in [to the NHS] but we are not seeing the impact of the money on the front line.."


    She is going to be an electoral disaster.

    Every rightwing columnist fervently believes this mantra.


    No ordinary voter out in the marginal seats believes a word of it. They just know grandma had to lie in piss sodden pants for 24 hours and uncle fred is on a 18 month waiting list.


    Good luck Tory members.

    There is a widespread view that the gateway to the NHS (GPs) is broken.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    Big bugbear for me this - the idea that scientists and ‘people in tech’ are not creative. Utter rubbish. Where do you think the tech comes from? It doesn’t just happen. Really smart people have ideas and then make stuff happen.

    Creativity isn’t just writing trash airport fiction, however lucrative that can be.
    OK, I'll rephrase. They are not known for their "imaginative emotional intelligence"

    Three words is a genius way of describing every single 3 sq m place on earth. Three words!!


    https://what3words.com/lakes.flames.riots
    Has L'Académie française had anything to say about it? Or Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? It's an effective way to plant the anglosphere's muddy footprint on every 3m square in the world but it's easy to imagine why lesser folk might take offence.
    They have made it available in 57 languages. Every 3sq m corner has a different French, Italian, Arabic, Punjabi. Chinese, Swahili name. Etc etc. Probably Welsh, too

    However I see your point, but I don't see any way of avoiding it. If W3W becomes the global standard then every 3sq m will have two names - the local name and the default English name

    Thus the hegemony of English will extend. Oh well
    That's remarkable. I wonder if other languages have enough words. English is exceptional because it has hoovered up a few other languages en passant and rightly deserves its hegemony.
    Yes, I don't know how they've done it, English has a bigger vocab than any other language by a distance, and they still nearly maxed out. They've got 57 trillion geo-terms and apparently there are 62 trillion three word phrase combos in English (which aren't racist, or sexist, or porno, etc)

    Perhaps they used a lot of plurals with smaller, lesser languages?

    Anyway I suspect English will be the default for many
    There are plenty of three word combos that don't resolve, so I'm not convinced there are only 62 trillion three word phrase combos.
    That's what I read today. 62 trillion. They say they had 40,000 words to play with, once they got rid of all the dodgy or sexy or overly weird/complex ones

    Plus they had other self-imposed restrictions
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Am I the only one that still doesn’t know the Finland rumour?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    It turns out that mass.bottom.pleaser is in Russia.

    Who'd have thunk it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    Big bugbear for me this - the idea that scientists and ‘people in tech’ are not creative. Utter rubbish. Where do you think the tech comes from? It doesn’t just happen. Really smart people have ideas and then make stuff happen.

    Creativity isn’t just writing trash airport fiction, however lucrative that can be.
    OK, I'll rephrase. They are not known for their "imaginative emotional intelligence"

    Three words is a genius way of describing every single 3 sq m place on earth. Three words!!


    https://what3words.com/lakes.flames.riots
    Has L'Académie française had anything to say about it? Or Cymdeithas yr Iaith Gymraeg? It's an effective way to plant the anglosphere's muddy footprint on every 3m square in the world but it's easy to imagine why lesser folk might take offence.
    They have made it available in 57 languages. Every 3sq m corner has a different French, Italian, Arabic, Punjabi. Chinese, Swahili name. Etc etc. Probably Welsh, too

    However I see your point, but I don't see any way of avoiding it. If W3W becomes the global standard then every 3sq m will have two names - the local name and the default English name

    Thus the hegemony of English will extend. Oh well
    That's remarkable. I wonder if other languages have enough words. English is exceptional because it has hoovered up a few other languages en passant and rightly deserves its hegemony.
    Yes, I don't know how they've done it, English has a bigger vocab than any other language by a distance, and they still nearly maxed out. They've got 57 trillion geo-terms and apparently there are 62 trillion three word phrase combos in English (which aren't racist, or sexist, or porno, etc)

    Perhaps they used a lot of plurals with smaller, lesser languages?

    Anyway I suspect English will be the default for many
    There are plenty of three word combos that don't resolve, so I'm not convinced there are only 62 trillion three word phrase combos.
    That's what I read today. 62 trillion. They say they had 40,000 words to play with, once they got rid of all the dodgy or sexy or overly weird/complex ones

    Plus they had other self-imposed restrictions
    40,000 ^ 3 = 120 trillion

    Edit to add: oops. It's actually 64 trillion.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    I think this might be the best ever track that Youtube has ever played next for me

    Newen Afrobeat feat. Seun Kuti & Cheick Tidiane Seck - Opposite People (Fela Kuti)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFSRCG4DrmI

    Have you seen this one? A bit obsessed by it at the moment.

    Khala My Friend, by Amanaz.

    https://youtu.be/GjUOYLJ8IYI
    Oh I like that

    Not sure quite why but reminds me a bit of this

    60,000,000 Buffalo - Lovely Ladies
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaZzdFy7jHo
    https://what3words.com/buffalo.lovely.ladles


    This is going to be an endless recurring joke now, isn't it?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    I'm introducing a new, easier to use version of what.three.words, called just.one.word

    And that word identifies which habitable planet a person is on.

    So, I for example, would say that I am on "earth".
  • Astonishing attacks on Rishi by Team Liz.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1557476914280931331?s=21&t=NuZvBAgu6yzzzXy6SFpXcA

    This goes far beyond what we’ve seen in previous leadership races, and begs questions about what the point is at this stage?

    It feels less like a leadership race and more like a civil war.

    Maybe a fear that it's closer and liver than we all think?

    Maybe the sort of military tactics where you don't just beat the enemy, you destroy them unto the thousandth generation.

    Maybe Liz wants to make sure that Rishi is so discredited that he can't threaten her post-September.

    Maybe Liz has gone full-on tonto before she has even moved into Number Ten, in order to save time later.

    Lots of possibilities, most of them not good.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    #oMFGGGGGGG

    https://what3words.com/necklace.dress.leader


    It's just outside HELSINKI
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    Soon it seems to be one of Truss's right hand ministers:


    LBC
    @LBC
    'But you're in government, it's your job for god's sake!'

    Eddie Mair's heated interview with Tory MP Sir Iain Duncan Smith on the cost-of-living crisis.

    https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1557392134281596928

    ===

    She is going to be a disaster.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one that still doesn’t know the Finland rumour?

    Nope, plus most people I know don't even know there is a Finland rumour (or at least if they do they aren't telling me).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    Nigel Pocklington
    @Nigelpock
    ·
    3h
    The energy price cap figure for January constitutes 45% of the state pension. We cannot expect anybody to live with that cost. We need urgent intervention.

    https://twitter.com/Nigelpock/status/1557443832471605251

    ===

    wow. 45%.

    Truss better have a plan she's not telling us about or she is going to be buried.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    Leon said:

    #oMFGGGGGGG

    https://what3words.com/necklace.dress.leader


    It's just outside HELSINKI

    Ok. That is a definite OMG.

    Wow.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,250
    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one that still doesn’t know the Finland rumour?

    Me neither. But I seem to recall a traveller's tale that a typical Finnish bath time routine includes rolling around naked in the snow thrashing each other with birch twigs. So if that's what passes for a normal domestic evening I assume their rumour mill would come up with something a little more exhilarating.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    edited August 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm introducing a new, easier to use version of what.three.words, called just.one.word

    And that word identifies which habitable planet a person is on.

    So, I for example, would say that I am on "earth".

    Maybe I am being picky but to date the only known habitable planet is...erm.. Earth?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one that still doesn’t know the Finland rumour?

    Nah. No one in Finland has a clue either.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one that still doesn’t know the Finland rumour?

    Nah. No one in Finland has a clue either.
    Are you sure?


    https://what3words.com/tailed.gagging.trips

    Central Helsinki
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    lol. Virtually every single 3 sq m plot in Helsinki sounds like a clue to The Finland Rumour

    https://what3words.com/bikers.follow.tempting
  • Leon said:

    lol. Virtually every single 3 sq m plot in Helsinki sounds like a clue to The Finland Rumour

    https://what3words.com/bikers.follow.tempting

    On one hand, there's clearly a thriller plot in this.

    On the other, there must be a ratio where people just trying out random combinations of words ruins the viability of the company. So night, all.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312

    Leon said:

    lol. Virtually every single 3 sq m plot in Helsinki sounds like a clue to The Finland Rumour

    https://what3words.com/bikers.follow.tempting

    On one hand, there's clearly a thriller plot in this.

    On the other, there must be a ratio where people just trying out random combinations of words ruins the viability of the company. So night, all.
    I think W3W will survive a bunch of us drunkenly clicking on tiny bits of suburban Helsinki to get W3W phrases. As will global politics

    OTOH I am off for a Chilterns hike tomorrow, so I need some sleep. Goodnight, PB!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one that still doesn’t know the Finland rumour?

    Nah. No one in Finland has a clue either.
    Are you sure?


    https://what3words.com/tailed.gagging.trips

    Central Helsinki
    Sauna.dress.necklace is E Greenland.

    Maybe the whole thing is an elaborate Kit Williams style Masquerade and there is hidden treasure?

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,720

    Leon said:

    lol. Virtually every single 3 sq m plot in Helsinki sounds like a clue to The Finland Rumour

    https://what3words.com/bikers.follow.tempting

    On one hand, there's clearly a thriller plot in this.

    On the other, there must be a ratio where people just trying out random combinations of words ruins the viability of the company. So night, all.
    Not if they showed an advert for every search we make?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    Leon said:

    lol. Virtually every single 3 sq m plot in Helsinki sounds like a clue to The Finland Rumour

    https://what3words.com/bikers.follow.tempting

    On one hand, there's clearly a thriller plot in this.

    On the other, there must be a ratio where people just trying out random combinations of words ruins the viability of the company. So night, all.
    Getting from the words to map coordinates and vice versa should fit in the browser, and the rest of the application is just showing you those coordinates in Google Maps, so plausibly those searches don't require any network traffic at their end at all.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    460k of turnover, 16 million costs in 2020

    In 2017 91k turnover, 3 million costs.


    W3W downloads, in millions:

    2018 1.4
    2019 4.8
    2020 11.8
    2021 30.2


    You have now bitterly criticised What 3 Words for multiple entirely different rationales, 1. that it is only doing something Google Maps already does., or 2. because it is rubbish and no better than a folding map, compass and protactor and pencil, and monocle, or 3. That it is a brutally litigious company and evil, or 4. That they stole the original idea ANYWAY, and now we have 5. That it is tiny and failing and makes no profit so nurr


    This is not a logical response, some of these are contradictory. This is pure emotion

    I can only conclude you are a Jealous Tech Bro, consumed with envy that you didn't think of this, and lashing out thereby
    In a nutshell, this attitude espoused by Alistair is why the UK has so few tech champions and America so many.

    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    The US seems to have a much better handle on seeing the end goal and eventual profitability and valuation of tech companies than we do. If w3w was American it would be worth 10x as much and iterated the product 10x faster.
    Yes, quite. It's a kind of Tall Poppy syndrome, and as dispiriting as it is perplexing. There are similar W3W haters on Twitter, nearly all tech geeks who haven't quite made it

    We often lament that the UK has not produced a Google, Apple or Amazon; well here is a British-designed, London-HQ'd start-up with a superb central idea, and the potential to become absolutely massive, maybe not an Apple but certainly an Uber. Remember that Amazon started as a bookseller. Online book selling. That was THEIR big idea. But they scaled and scaled

    And how do many react to W3W, which has a much better idea than bookselling? With sneers, critiques and weird hatred. WTF

    Luckily, many in Britain and elsewhere ignore the naysayers. I am right now reading that London is now attracting more FDI into tech than any other city on earth
    You are joking. Uber's value proposition is that they have liquidity in big urban markets around the world. w3w's proposition is that it makes life slightly easier for Scottish mountain rescue and Gambian delivery men. It would have been an amazing idea if nobody had invented location services.
    May I direct you, an idiot, to this 3 sq m home for idiots near Lake Athabasca, in remote Saskatchewan, Canada


    https://what3words.com/lacking.imagination.dude

    This is yet one more reason why What3Words is, I suspect, going to succeed. It is going to be fun to play with for millions of people. 3 words. What do YOUR 3 words say?

    People in tech are not known for their creative imagination, to put it kindly

    I rather like w3w. When I lost my wallet last week the finder sent me a w3w location of the spot to meet him to effect its return.
    But that was the first time I've ever used it and the old fashioned vague description would probably have worked just as well. I'm not entirely sure what vital niche it fills. It's an admirably creative solution to a problem I personally have never had.
    But I suppose lots of things fall into that category. Things don't have to be useful to me personally in order to be useful.
    There are various codes and identifiers in our lives and some of these are well-designed and some are not.

    Postal codes are well-designed. They encode a lot of information efficiently, and their structure makes them easier to remember, and they enable efficient sorting of mail.

    An HMRC UTR number may have some beneficial attributes I'm not aware of. A check-digit, perhaps. But a 10-digit number is not easy for most people to remember, and for that reason I would say it's poorly-designed, until convinced otherwise.

    Clearly there are lots of coordinate systems or descriptions that one can use to identify specific locations, but the use of words, rather than numbers, make the identifiers much easier to remember, and should have other benefits in terms of error-checking.

    It does seem like the person they stole the idea from had a better idea in using slightly more simpler and more distinct words than using three words from a much larger set. A shame they weren't able to hire a decent patent attorney, rather than relying on advice from randoms on the web to defend their invention.
    I've seen that guy's claims

    He says he used just 1000 words turned into multiple chains of 5 words. That's a shite idea because so many words will be repeated constantly it makes them all highly similar (If I have got it right)

    Besides, he might be talking bollox, trying to grab the glory of someone else's idea, when the idea was just in the air, waiting to be plucked. Weren't there about fifteen people who had the idea for the lightbulb? See also Darwin and others and evolution, and so forth
    So they used 3 words from a 40,000 word dictionary for 6.4*10^13 codepoints, and they needed 5.7*10^13.

    The other guy used 5 words from a 1,024 word dictionary for more than 1.1*10^15 codepoints. This means he would only need to use about 1-in-20 of his possible combinations. This increases the error-checking robustness of the system, as does using a smaller dictionary, because that means you can weed out plurals, homophones, hard to spell words, and other problems with a dictionary about 40 times larger.

    With 1024 different words you have an average density of each word occurring once in every 205 squares, or about twice in an acre, but you would have a unique two-word combination over an area of 1024 times that. Nearly 2 sq km. I think that's fine, given that we're talking about errors on three whole words, rather than single letters.

    Incidentally, 3m by 3m squares make sense because they're about a tenth of an arc-second square at the equator. So that's replacing eight numbers (or up to 16 decimal digits) with three or five words. It is a shame the implementation isn't better. It would be as though Morse had patented his first code and then prevented anyone from improving on it.

    If you're going to let people patent ideas like this then the patent system should be a lot better at ensuring the right person holds the patent. And maybe we shouldn't let such wide patents be granted.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Soon it seems to be one of Truss's right hand ministers:


    LBC
    @LBC
    'But you're in government, it's your job for god's sake!'

    Eddie Mair's heated interview with Tory MP Sir Iain Duncan Smith on the cost-of-living crisis.

    https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1557392134281596928

    ===

    She is going to be a disaster.

    Eddie Mair owns Duncan- Smith's arse.

    Duncan- Smith had an easy ride on R4 PM.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Brilliant video from left-winger Russell Brand on the Trump/FBI story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUKZJA6Bixs
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Andy_JS said:

    Brilliant video from left-winger Russell Brand on the Trump/FBI story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUKZJA6Bixs

    Left-winger or not. He's wrong!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,668
    edited August 2022
    I see reports that Ziabruaka airfield in Belarus has decided to blow up tonight.

    Ukraine risking strikes on Belarus or Russia trying to provoke something? Always hard to tell.

    I guess the satellites will tell us sooner or later whether there were any actual 'assets' involved...
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    Bloody hell, I wander off for 24 hours and you're STILL all talking about just 3 words and Finland - has Leon cast a magic spell on the site? If this keeps up we'll be begging Putin to send us some trolls to liven things up a bit.

    Changing the subject, do we reckon Ukraine caused the explosions at armadillos.spectacular.misjudge or is it some kind of false flag operation aimed at getting Belarus into the war?
  • vikvik Posts: 159

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    What was the PB Tory voting like in the 2019 contest ? Was it similar with nearly everyone on PB voting for Hunt ? Or, was there very substantial support for Johnson ?

    I am wondering how much the PB Tory voting for Sunak is a predictor for the results of the 2022 contest ?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    We are going to be fucking tortured on the day he discovers Telegram.
  • vikvik Posts: 159
    Dynamo said:

    stodge said:

    Are we seriously suggesting the Conservative Party, having effectively defenestrated their last three leaders would oust a fourth before said leader had even faced the electorate?

    Is there any modern precedent for a Prime Minister to be installed without a General Election and to be ousted without having contested a General Election as Prime Minister? I can't think of one since 1918 - might have been one earlier of course.

    I'm rooting for the parliamentary party to tell her she's lost their confidence before voting has even finished :)

    Those who are in a position to consider removing a prime minister don't think to themselves "We can't do it before the next election because there's no precedent for that, given that they were installed without fighting one, and even less so given that they took office on the same day of the week as Andrew Bonar Law."
    If you are hoping that removing Truss will help your dear leader Putin, then you are going to be sorely disappointed.

    The likely replacement for Truss would be Ben Wallace, and he is as committed to helping Ukraine as Truss.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,312
    Dura_Ace said:

    We are going to be fucking tortured on the day he discovers Telegram.

    You are, all of you, utterly pathetic in the way you let me derail debate after debate, into whatever discussion I fancy

    I could arrive here at 10am and say “Look, I’m really fucked off with sheep pretending to be circus clowns” and by 7pm you’d still be discussing the whole sheep as clowns thing. And then a few of you would quietly moan about it like tired wives, then back to the latest sheep-clown scandal

    I can’t help being Dom. It’s not my fault if you’re all subs
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    What do you mean by inbuilt majority?
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127
    vik said:

    ydoethur said:

    Well, I've voted for Rishi.

    Done my bit for your 250-1 shot. Sadly, going to be a losing bet because ...God knows why. Truss is an order of magnitude poorer on every metric.

    We don't need God's help here. Unfortunately your party has an inbuilt majority who hear only what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. And they want to hear what Truss is telling them, regardless of the fact it bears no resemblance to reality.
    It's interesting that AFAIK none of the self-declared PB Tory members on here except Barty (is he even a member?) are voting for Truss.

    Much as I deeply disagree with PB Tories on most topics I totally respect that they represent the small and ever-diminishing 'sane wing' of the Tory party.
    What was the PB Tory voting like in the 2019 contest ? Was it similar with nearly everyone on PB voting for Hunt ? Or, was there very substantial support for Johnson ?

    I am wondering how much the PB Tory voting for Sunak is a predictor for the results of the 2022 contest ?
    Nah - Brexit was the key determining factor in 2019.

    Johnson may be a SOB but he is our SOB, to paraphrase.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258
    Nigelb said:

    pm215 said:

    MaxPB said:


    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    This is more like "if you don't get it right over the course of nine years don't bother", though... Gmail, iPhone and AWS all demonstrated that they could move from "cool idea with promise" to "clearly profitable winning product and business model" in that timeframe.
    You’ve not followed biotech development, then.
    At least 10 years is usually needed to get a drug from discovery to approval. It’s only them that you find out whether you can make a profit with it.
    Most of the failures occur earlier than the full 9 years. Getting rejected in the regulatory phase is very very expensive

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,790
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Borough, Mars is also inhabited (exclusively by robots).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    EXCLUSIVE: Liz Truss campaign manager Iain Duncan Smith told an online meeting hosted by the Conservative Christian Fellowship that she 'hated' her own policy on banning gay conversion therapy, hinting that she may drop it if elected leader
    https://twitter.com/openDemocracy/status/1557368201029292032
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072

    Nigelb said:

    pm215 said:

    MaxPB said:


    To my mind w3w is a good idea executed imperfectly, but then again so was Gmail when it launched, the first iPhone was a pile of wank and AWS was completely useless when it launched. In Alistair's world if you don't get it right first time don't bother, and that seems to be the attitude of both UK investors and management.

    This is more like "if you don't get it right over the course of nine years don't bother", though... Gmail, iPhone and AWS all demonstrated that they could move from "cool idea with promise" to "clearly profitable winning product and business model" in that timeframe.
    You’ve not followed biotech development, then.
    At least 10 years is usually needed to get a drug from discovery to approval. It’s only them that you find out whether you can make a profit with it.
    Most of the failures occur earlier than the full 9 years. Getting rejected in the regulatory phase is very very expensive

    Sure, there’s an heavy attrition rate at every stage of the process.

    My point was that you can make it all the way through regulatory approval, and still not have a profitable drug.

    You mainly hear about the blockbusters.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    Russia losing its shit over the possibility of a blanket EU visa ban.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Nigelb said:

    Russia losing its shit over the possibility of a blanket EU visa ban.

    Luckily we don't have to follow the EU any more and can continue to grant visas for the Prime Minister's mates...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,072
    Question - why hasn’t Trump made public the search warrant ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Nigelb said:

    Question - why hasn’t Trump made public the search warrant ?

    Because of what's in it
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