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  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    Oh my goodness, for all your attempts to make me think you are a philistine, you actually are a man of taste!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    Hmmm.

    Check out Rodrigo Y Gabriela, the Showhawk Duo, or Willy Porter
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    If you like that try this. Acoustic tap doing Eminem's 'Real Slim Shady':

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDS3hAFQuS8
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    edited August 2022

    I've just put some music onto my new computer, and despite putting nearly a thousand tracks on, I've realised I have none beginning with X or Z.

    So, classic music tracks whose titles begin with 'x' or 'z' ? ;)

    X Gon' Give It To Ya by DMX.

    Used in the Deadpool soundtrack

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Scott_xP said:

    I'm not polluting my PC with anything from U2. Have you got a Radiohead alternative? ;)

    Nobody admitting to X+Y, Coldplay...
    I *do* have a Coldplay album. Viva La Vida, because I wanted to compare the Pet Shop Boys' cover of 'Viva la Vida' with theirs.

    The PSB version is far better, if only for the faux-drum intro for the first minute.
    Be careful. The fate of all Coldplay album owners is to spend eternity listening to that fucking dirge 'The Scientist' on permanent, unending loop
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    Chris said:

    Chris said:


    Can anyone explain what the Tory grassroots love so much about Boris?

    Yes.

    They're really so stupid they have fallen hook, line and sinker for his act.
    Of course, the same can be said for Labour and Corbyn...
    For anyone who says "But what about ... ?" as a matter of reflex, probably.
    A good way of avoiding the substantive point. There are still many on the left, and even within the Labour Party, who worship the party's ex-leader. As we saw last night, people who are willing to defend Corbyn from the indefensible, even now.

    The same is true of Boris. Some say Boris is like Trump; in reality, he is more like Corbyn than either would like to admit.
    Truss is more the Corbyn, I think. About to be foisted as leader on the reluctant MPs by an extremist membership looking to make themselves feel good rather than thinking about what the job entails.

    Big unfortunate difference - the party in question is in government.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    All of these Z suggestions are not Zoom by Fat Larry's Band. Useless.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    Xanadu by Rush
  • YouGov have a fascinating question in this poll.


  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    Zoo (the) by Scorpions
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    The ELO/ONJ Xanadu has the additional gravitas of coming from the soundtrack to Gene Kelly's last feature film. Even if it was a complete flop.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    I've just put some music onto my new computer, and despite putting nearly a thousand tracks on, I've realised I have none beginning with X or Z.

    So, classic music tracks whose titles begin with 'x' or 'z' ? ;)

    For Z :
    * Zion Gate - Horace Andy
    * Zig Zag Wanderer - Captain Beefheart
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    YouGov have a fascinating question in this poll.


    Surely you should be indifferent to 5 & 6?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    kinabalu said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:


    Can anyone explain what the Tory grassroots love so much about Boris?

    Yes.

    They're really so stupid they have fallen hook, line and sinker for his act.
    Of course, the same can be said for Labour and Corbyn...
    For anyone who says "But what about ... ?" as a matter of reflex, probably.
    A good way of avoiding the substantive point. There are still many on the left, and even within the Labour Party, who worship the party's ex-leader. As we saw last night, people who are willing to defend Corbyn from the indefensible, even now.

    The same is true of Boris. Some say Boris is like Trump; in reality, he is more like Corbyn than either would like to admit.
    Truss is more the Corbyn, I think. About to be foisted as leader on the reluctant MPs by an extremist membership looking to make themselves feel good rather than thinking about what the job entails.

    Big unfortunate difference - the party in question is in government.
    I am no Truss fan, but I don't think she is likely to always side with Britain's enemies like a rather low intellect sixth form gobshite. She is no Corbyn.
  • YouGov have a fascinating question in this poll.


    That question looks like it was commissioned by someone doing research in behavioural economics (or social psychology done badly, as I like to call it).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    + @ConHome’s new Tory leadership election survey. @trussliz 58 per cent, @RishiSunak 26 per cent – 12 per cent undecided. https://bit.ly/3d4kG9a
  • TOPPING said:

    YouGov have a fascinating question in this poll.


    Surely you should be indifferent to 5 & 6?
    If there were a couple of zeros to each offer I would be indifferent to 5 and 6.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    Hmmm.

    Check out Rodrigo Y Gabriela, the Showhawk Duo, or Willy Porter
    Acoustic guitar, I like this guy a lot -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOotCVMFncE
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    YouGov have a fascinating question in this poll.


    How much does greed cloud your judgement?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,291

    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    If you like that try this. Acoustic tap doing Eminem's 'Real Slim Shady':

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDS3hAFQuS8
    That's clever. I love surprising retakes of famous songs

    I recently discovered this EXCELLENT reggae version of Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud, by Sublime Reggae Kings. Perfect party-time summer music

    And yet I hate Ed Sheeran!

    It made me re-evaluate him. A bit


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f173FtJiFgo
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    kinabalu said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:


    Can anyone explain what the Tory grassroots love so much about Boris?

    Yes.

    They're really so stupid they have fallen hook, line and sinker for his act.
    Of course, the same can be said for Labour and Corbyn...
    For anyone who says "But what about ... ?" as a matter of reflex, probably.
    A good way of avoiding the substantive point. There are still many on the left, and even within the Labour Party, who worship the party's ex-leader. As we saw last night, people who are willing to defend Corbyn from the indefensible, even now.

    The same is true of Boris. Some say Boris is like Trump; in reality, he is more like Corbyn than either would like to admit.
    Truss is more the Corbyn, I think. About to be foisted as leader on the reluctant MPs by an extremist membership looking to make themselves feel good rather than thinking about what the job entails.

    Big unfortunate difference - the party in question is in government.
    The problem with that claim is that we're not sure what sort of government Truss will lead. I'm tempted to agree with you that it does not look positive, but she still has an opportunity to surprise on the upside.

    Whereas we've had experience of Corbyn and Johnson's leaderships.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    YouGov have a fascinating question in this poll.


    That question looks like it was commissioned by someone doing research in behavioural economics (or social psychology done badly, as I like to call it).
    Its Susan feckin Michie isnt it?!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    Jesus that is the most boring thing I've heard in a while. Showhawk Duo much better although they are slightly a one trick pony AFAICS with Faithless.

    Try (re)listening to the album 999. That's an album.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,291
    Am actually dancing around my flat now. Please ignore me for ~30 minutes
  • I've just put some music onto my new computer, and despite putting nearly a thousand tracks on, I've realised I have none beginning with X or Z.

    So, classic music tracks whose titles begin with 'x' or 'z' ? ;)

    Xanadu - two different songs, one by Olivia Newton John, one by Dave Dee, Dozy, beaky, Mick and Tich.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Leon said:

    That's clever. I love surprising retakes of famous songs

    I recently discovered this EXCELLENT reggae version of Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud, by Sublime Reggae Kings. Perfect party-time summer music

    You ever hear Dredd Zeppelin?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    This is the dodgiest statistic I've ever seen:

    @MayorofLondon
    NEW: As a result of our junk food advertising ban on @TfL, nearly 100,000 cases of obesity have been prevented since 2019.

    It’s expected to save the NHS over £200 million. An incredible result.


    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1554464060732735488

    Astonishing nonsense.
    We need some kind of public office of bullshitting detection.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    Hmmm.

    Check out Rodrigo Y Gabriela, the Showhawk Duo, or Willy Porter
    Acoustic guitar, I like this guy a lot -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOotCVMFncE
    It's great but largely open string strumming. Good rhythmically, but otherwise quite basic from a guitar playing point of view.
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    Next Conservative leader
    1.12 Liz Truss 89%
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    Action ahead of tonight's Welsh hustings:-

    Betfair next prime minister
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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    There's this for a bit of novelty.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCiWTRg-itY
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    Leon said:

    Am actually dancing around my flat now. Please ignore me for ~30 minutes

    Many people will manage more than 30 lol.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310

    This is the dodgiest statistic I've ever seen:

    @MayorofLondon
    NEW: As a result of our junk food advertising ban on @TfL, nearly 100,000 cases of obesity have been prevented since 2019.

    It’s expected to save the NHS over £200 million. An incredible result.


    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1554464060732735488

    Astonishing nonsense.
    We need some kind of public office of bullshitting detection.
    Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Extreme Hyperbole perhaps?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    TOPPING said:

    Showhawk Duo much better although they are slightly a one trick pony AFAICS with Faithless.

    Yes they are, and no, they're not...

    They do the Imperial March for a start. Anyway, here they are

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyOxvrdj_Jw
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Leon said:

    Am actually dancing around my flat now. Please ignore me for ~30 minutes

    Many people will manage more than 30 lol.
    You managed about two...
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    Am actually dancing around my flat now. Please ignore me for ~30 minutes

    Many people will manage more than 30 lol.
    You managed about two...
    Yea, but I like him. My favourite PB banter partner. Sadly it is probably unrequited.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,291
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    That's clever. I love surprising retakes of famous songs

    I recently discovered this EXCELLENT reggae version of Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud, by Sublime Reggae Kings. Perfect party-time summer music

    You ever hear Dredd Zeppelin?
    I have. But I already knew Lez Zep write superb songs which would surely make great covers

    It was a total surprise to discover than underneath the Easy Listening, MOR, Gen Z acousto-whine of Ed Sheeran, there is actually some technically good songwriting
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    This is the dodgiest statistic I've ever seen:

    @MayorofLondon
    NEW: As a result of our junk food advertising ban on @TfL, nearly 100,000 cases of obesity have been prevented since 2019.

    It’s expected to save the NHS over £200 million. An incredible result.


    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1554464060732735488

    Astonishing nonsense.
    We need some kind of public office of bullshitting detection.
    Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Extreme Hyperbole perhaps?
    They don't carry much weight.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Talking of the Imperial March..... Braverman rises and wants us to get serious about taking on the woke zealots
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Leon said:

    I have. But I already knew Lez Zep write superb songs which would surely make great covers

    And to close the acoustic guitar loop, Rodrigo Y Gabriela have done a version of Stairway...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    Talking of the Imperial March..... Braverman rises and wants us to get serious about taking on the woke zealots

    That one is not so much Imperial March as Pomp in Circumstances.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Scott_xP said:

    I've just put some music onto my new computer, and despite putting nearly a thousand tracks on, I've realised I have none beginning with X or Z.

    So, classic music tracks whose titles begin with 'x' or 'z' ? ;)

    Xanadu, by Rush

    Ziggy Stardust, David Bowie
    Xanadu by ELO and ONJ
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    kinabalu said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:


    Can anyone explain what the Tory grassroots love so much about Boris?

    Yes.

    They're really so stupid they have fallen hook, line and sinker for his act.
    Of course, the same can be said for Labour and Corbyn...
    For anyone who says "But what about ... ?" as a matter of reflex, probably.
    A good way of avoiding the substantive point. There are still many on the left, and even within the Labour Party, who worship the party's ex-leader. As we saw last night, people who are willing to defend Corbyn from the indefensible, even now.

    The same is true of Boris. Some say Boris is like Trump; in reality, he is more like Corbyn than either would like to admit.
    Truss is more the Corbyn, I think. About to be foisted as leader on the reluctant MPs by an extremist membership looking to make themselves feel good rather than thinking about what the job entails.

    Big unfortunate difference - the party in question is in government.
    I am no Truss fan, but I don't think she is likely to always side with Britain's enemies like a rather low intellect sixth form gobshite. She is no Corbyn.
    No, I didn't mean a literal clone - Truss will do her own specious "gobshite" as we are seeing.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    Am actually dancing around my flat now. Please ignore me for ~30 minutes

    If that's to do with my music question, then my work here is done. A tiny bit of joy added into someone's world. :)

    If it's not to do with my music question, then I'm joining in while listening to Army of Lovers' song 'Crucified'. Whose original video was rather erotic for a 17 year-old me...

    Except I'm in our study, and Mrs J is on a conference call. So I've got headphones on, and am jigging around whilst hoping she doesn't have her PC's camera on...

    Edit:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di18hTFTwIw

    A band that featured a gay man, a transvestite, and an alleged lover of the King of Sweden.

    My goodness, La Camilla in that Bo-Peep dress...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    @Jim_Miller

    On the subject of abortion, and Kansas, there are a couple of interesting conclusions:

    1. Abortion choice supporters aren't simply low motivation Dems. If they were, they would have voted in the Dem primaries yesterday.

    2. On the other hand, they are willing to go out and vote. "No" got comfortably more votes (in absolute terms) that the winning Gubernatorial candidate last time around. Which is absolutely astonishing, considering this was just primary day, and not November.

    3. If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit... But will they benefit, if it is explicitly in the hands of elected representatives, and that means voting Democrat?

    4. It has long been argued that anti abortion group is the more motivated one. I think that assumption is now looking incorrect.

    5. It has also been argued that "do you think of yourself as pro Choice or pro life?" is a good proxy for support. That has turned out not to be the case.

    6. The Kansas referendum was not framed (by those supporting the amendment) as a ban on abortions, only as allowing the State legislature to make abortion law. The residents of Kansas have voted (overwhelmingly) to not restrict abortion access further. Or perhaps, they considered the risk of a total ban as being too great.

    Only a limited number of states have ballot propositions. But there are some where abortion is basically illegal (like Idaho), where it is possible, and where attitudes are generally pro legalized abortion.

    This could be a very interesting November.
  • Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    For the really crazy bit. Crazier than “aliens are my hamster”

    According to refugees from SF in the IT line I have met in London, one bonus of moving to London is less insane property prices.

    Yes, I typed that right…

    That is, if you are in IT on 6 figures, London is cheaper than SF - at least in terms of commutable stuff.

    I was talking to one guy, He’s looking at Hemel Hempstead and a house for 800k…..
    If Americans are thinking of commuting to Central London by car, they might be disappointed.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Scott_xP said:

    TOPPING said:

    Showhawk Duo much better although they are slightly a one trick pony AFAICS with Faithless.

    Yes they are, and no, they're not...

    They do the Imperial March for a start. Anyway, here they are

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyOxvrdj_Jw
    I'll take another look at them thx.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    Talking of the Imperial March..... Braverman rises and wants us to get serious about taking on the woke zealots

    ...
  • Have we done this?

    Southend United have found themselves the subject of mockery after the renaming of one of their stands resulted in an unfortunate name check of notorious serial killer Rose West.

    New sponsors Gilbert & Rose estate agents have given their name to the West stand at Roots Hall stadium.

    It is common for naming rights for stadium stands to be sold to companies, and it is an important source of revenue, particularly for lower league clubs.

    But it appears that the National League side did not foresee the issues that might arise from naming a stand the "Gilbert & Rose West Stand".


    https://news.sky.com/story/southend-united-to-hold-talks-with-sponsor-over-gilbert-and-rose-west-stand-12664861
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    I've just put some music onto my new computer, and despite putting nearly a thousand tracks on, I've realised I have none beginning with X or Z.

    So, classic music tracks whose titles begin with 'x' or 'z' ? ;)

    Jean Michel jarre had an album which started with "z" iirc.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    rcs1000 said:

    Jean Michel jarre had an album which started with "z" iirc.

    Zoolook
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    Have we done this?

    Southend United have found themselves the subject of mockery after the renaming of one of their stands resulted in an unfortunate name check of notorious serial killer Rose West.

    New sponsors Gilbert & Rose estate agents have given their name to the West stand at Roots Hall stadium.

    It is common for naming rights for stadium stands to be sold to companies, and it is an important source of revenue, particularly for lower league clubs.

    But it appears that the National League side did not foresee the issues that might arise from naming a stand the "Gilbert & Rose West Stand".


    https://news.sky.com/story/southend-united-to-hold-talks-with-sponsor-over-gilbert-and-rose-west-stand-12664861

    What the actual fuckity fuck? Is that for real?
  • ydoethur said:

    Have we done this?

    Southend United have found themselves the subject of mockery after the renaming of one of their stands resulted in an unfortunate name check of notorious serial killer Rose West.

    New sponsors Gilbert & Rose estate agents have given their name to the West stand at Roots Hall stadium.

    It is common for naming rights for stadium stands to be sold to companies, and it is an important source of revenue, particularly for lower league clubs.

    But it appears that the National League side did not foresee the issues that might arise from naming a stand the "Gilbert & Rose West Stand".


    https://news.sky.com/story/southend-united-to-hold-talks-with-sponsor-over-gilbert-and-rose-west-stand-12664861

    What the actual fuckity fuck? Is that for real?
    Yes.


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    For those that have never heard of him (99.9999999% of the world), here is Thomas Leeb playing Quicksilver

    Genius acoustic "percussive" guitar


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0bTtzRVIM

    Hmmm.

    Check out Rodrigo Y Gabriela, the Showhawk Duo, or Willy Porter
    Acoustic guitar, I like this guy a lot -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOotCVMFncE
    It's great but largely open string strumming. Good rhythmically, but otherwise quite basic from a guitar playing point of view.
    The rhythm is it though. Guitar as percussion. And he plays in a way that nobody else does.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    Scott_xP said:

    I'm not polluting my PC with anything from U2. Have you got a Radiohead alternative? ;)

    Nobody admitting to X+Y, Coldplay...
    I *do* have a Coldplay album. Viva La Vida, because I wanted to compare the Pet Shop Boys' cover of 'Viva la Vida' with theirs.

    The PSB version is far better, if only for the faux-drum intro for the first minute.
    Be careful. The fate of all Coldplay album owners is to spend eternity listening to that fucking dirge 'The Scientist' on permanent, unending loop
    If you think The Scientist is the worst song Coldplay ever released, boy are you in for a surprise.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361

    This is the dodgiest statistic I've ever seen:

    @MayorofLondon
    NEW: As a result of our junk food advertising ban on @TfL, nearly 100,000 cases of obesity have been prevented since 2019.

    It’s expected to save the NHS over £200 million. An incredible result.


    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1554464060732735488

    Astonishing nonsense.
    We need some kind of public office of bullshitting detection.
    I think the government has an official statistician who has reprimanded the government for misusing statistics. I expect they've just uttered a weary sigh as they realise the effort they will have to go to writing a letter to Khan to correct his nonsense.
  • Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    For the really crazy bit. Crazier than “aliens are my hamster”

    According to refugees from SF in the IT line I have met in London, one bonus of moving to London is less insane property prices.

    Yes, I typed that right…

    That is, if you are in IT on 6 figures, London is cheaper than SF - at least in terms of commutable stuff.

    I was talking to one guy, He’s looking at Hemel Hempstead and a house for 800k…..
    If Americans are thinking of commuting to Central London by car, they might be disappointed.
    Americans know about trains - it’s just they are rather rarer there.

    The Americans I’ve encountered moving here seem to do their research - lots of discussion about Tube (frequent, slow) vs Overground (less frequent, faster hence further) for choosing a property.
  • Some friend.

    Sajid Javid has thrown his support behind Liz Truss to become the next Conservative leader, warning that Rishi Sunak’s economic plans would lead Britain “sleepwalking into a high-tax, low-growth” economy.

    In an attack on his friend, Javid suggested that Sunak’s refusal to cut taxes risked Britain becoming a “middle-income economy” with a loss of “global influence and power”.

    In an article for The Times he pointedly added that Truss had the “willingness to challenge the status quo” warning there were “no risk-free options in government”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sajid-javid-liz-truss-tory-leadership-vgxcrxlrp
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    Have we done this?

    Southend United have found themselves the subject of mockery after the renaming of one of their stands resulted in an unfortunate name check of notorious serial killer Rose West.

    New sponsors Gilbert & Rose estate agents have given their name to the West stand at Roots Hall stadium.

    It is common for naming rights for stadium stands to be sold to companies, and it is an important source of revenue, particularly for lower league clubs.

    But it appears that the National League side did not foresee the issues that might arise from naming a stand the "Gilbert & Rose West Stand".


    https://news.sky.com/story/southend-united-to-hold-talks-with-sponsor-over-gilbert-and-rose-west-stand-12664861

    What the actual fuckity fuck? Is that for real?
    Yes.


    Well, congratulations are due to Southend United. They are only people I've ever heard of who are stupider than the DfE.

    Which I would have willingly have sworn was impossible.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    kinabalu said:

    The rhythm is it though. Guitar as percussion. And he plays in a way that nobody else does.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NqwTd8oC-4
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    Achieved, in part by methodically evicting the people who lived there and replacing them with richer, more middle class people.

    I lived in the area in the early 90s. Lot less er… heavy sun tans in the area now.
  • Youtuber Robslondon yesterday uploaded The History of 10 Downing Street (24 minutes)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPmHQb0pKSs
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I'm not polluting my PC with anything from U2. Have you got a Radiohead alternative? ;)

    Nobody admitting to X+Y, Coldplay...
    I *do* have a Coldplay album. Viva La Vida, because I wanted to compare the Pet Shop Boys' cover of 'Viva la Vida' with theirs.

    The PSB version is far better, if only for the faux-drum intro for the first minute.
    Be careful. The fate of all Coldplay album owners is to spend eternity listening to that fucking dirge 'The Scientist' on permanent, unending loop
    If you think The Scientist is the worst song Coldplay ever released, boy are you in for a surprise.
    I prefer to think of that fate as cruel without being cartoonishly barbaric
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Have we done this?

    Southend United have found themselves the subject of mockery after the renaming of one of their stands resulted in an unfortunate name check of notorious serial killer Rose West.

    New sponsors Gilbert & Rose estate agents have given their name to the West stand at Roots Hall stadium.

    It is common for naming rights for stadium stands to be sold to companies, and it is an important source of revenue, particularly for lower league clubs.

    But it appears that the National League side did not foresee the issues that might arise from naming a stand the "Gilbert & Rose West Stand".


    https://news.sky.com/story/southend-united-to-hold-talks-with-sponsor-over-gilbert-and-rose-west-stand-12664861

    What the actual fuckity fuck? Is that for real?
    Yes.


    Well, congratulations are due to Southend United. They are only people I've ever heard of who are stupider than the DfE.

    Which I would have willingly have sworn was impossible.
    Second jobs?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Some friend.

    Sajid Javid has thrown his support behind Liz Truss to become the next Conservative leader, warning that Rishi Sunak’s economic plans would lead Britain “sleepwalking into a high-tax, low-growth” economy.

    In an attack on his friend, Javid suggested that Sunak’s refusal to cut taxes risked Britain becoming a “middle-income economy” with a loss of “global influence and power”.

    In an article for The Times he pointedly added that Truss had the “willingness to challenge the status quo” warning there were “no risk-free options in government”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sajid-javid-liz-truss-tory-leadership-vgxcrxlrp

    Saj is still pleasuring himself at the thought of Omicron lockdowns. To the backbenches with him
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,291

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    Mate, I know!

    I used to go score heroin there, around 1999 - so we might easily have crossed paths! I skipped the £5 hookers

    It is the most extraordinary transformation in any city in the world, perhaps

    New York has been hugely gentrified. Hudson Yards etc. But nothing so central and so dramatic as King's X, as far as I know. Hudson Yards is more like Canary Wharf
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361
    Sounds like Azerbaijan has broken the ceasefire and is making advances.

    AFP News Agency
    @AFP
    #BREAKING Azerbaijan says took control of several strategic heights in breakaway Karabakh: official


    https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1554859544345513988
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,291

    Sounds like Azerbaijan has broken the ceasefire and is making advances.

    AFP News Agency
    @AFP
    #BREAKING Azerbaijan says took control of several strategic heights in breakaway Karabakh: official


    https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1554859544345513988

    Oh good grief. And I was just in Armenia


    THE CURSE OF LEON
  • Betfair next prime minister
    1.12 Liz Truss 89%
    9.2 Rishi Sunak 11%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.12 Liz Truss 89%
    9.2 Rishi Sunak 11%

    Action ahead of tonight's Welsh hustings:-

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.08 Liz Truss 93%
    11.5 Rishi Sunak 9%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.08 Liz Truss 93%
    10 Rishi Sunak 10%
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    Next Conservative leader
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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited August 2022

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    I remember that! Went to see someone in that office a few years earlier, perhaps 1992-3, when it was still very new. I did wince when I turned out of KX and saw the ambience of that street, and I was glad to be getting back to the train while it was still daylight.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    ydoethur said:

    Have we done this?

    Southend United have found themselves the subject of mockery after the renaming of one of their stands resulted in an unfortunate name check of notorious serial killer Rose West.

    New sponsors Gilbert & Rose estate agents have given their name to the West stand at Roots Hall stadium.

    It is common for naming rights for stadium stands to be sold to companies, and it is an important source of revenue, particularly for lower league clubs.

    But it appears that the National League side did not foresee the issues that might arise from naming a stand the "Gilbert & Rose West Stand".


    https://news.sky.com/story/southend-united-to-hold-talks-with-sponsor-over-gilbert-and-rose-west-stand-12664861

    What the actual fuckity fuck? Is that for real?
    Yes.


    Too bad the sponsor isn’t a specialist in patios.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361
    Leon said:

    Sounds like Azerbaijan has broken the ceasefire and is making advances.

    AFP News Agency
    @AFP
    #BREAKING Azerbaijan says took control of several strategic heights in breakaway Karabakh: official


    https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1554859544345513988

    Oh good grief. And I was just in Armenia


    THE CURSE OF LEON
    You're, er, back in London? Hopefully being home is different to traveling.

    https://youtu.be/GAeWcYODMoQ
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    I knew it in the early 1990s. Memories include trying to go and see a gf in North London, and stupidly getting on a Cambridge non-stopper (the staff were brilliant and did not charge me any extra fare; they got me on the correct train back, and the only cost was a peeved gf). Going on a Monopoly board pub crawl, and going into the divingish-dive where some bored-looking strippers were performing for a couple of bemused-looking tourists. Walking the Regents Canal behind the station in agony, but loving every step. The dinghy narrow low-level platforms. Getting a greasy kebab from a van that must have failed every food-standards law made on out way to someone's digs at ULU. walking down a road, and encountering waves of prostitutes and tourists - and sometimes, perhaps, both. Lots of homeless people.

    I wish I'd made more of those years. They were brilliant, for me at least.

    To be young again...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Is anyone backing Rishi? Andrew Bridgen and Brenda from Bristol?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    I knew it in the early 1990s. Memories include trying to go and see a gf in North London, and stupidly getting on a Cambridge non-stopper (the staff were brilliant and did not charge me any extra fare; they got me on the correct train back, and the only cost was a peeved gf). Going on a Monopoly board pub crawl, and going into the divingish-dive where some bored-looking strippers were performing for a couple of bemused-looking tourists. Walking the Regents Canal behind the station in agony, but loving every step. The dinghy narrow low-level platforms. Getting a greasy kebab from a van that must have failed every food-standards law made on out way to someone's digs at ULU. walking down a road, and encountering waves of prostitutes and tourists - and sometimes, perhaps, both. Lots of homeless people.

    I wish I'd made more of those years. They were brilliant, for me at least.

    To be young again...
    As someone once said, youth is wasted on the young,
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,923
    Maybe Johnson is leaving the Lionesses' reception to Truss
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749

    Some friend.

    Sajid Javid has thrown his support behind Liz Truss to become the next Conservative leader, warning that Rishi Sunak’s economic plans would lead Britain “sleepwalking into a high-tax, low-growth” economy.

    In an attack on his friend, Javid suggested that Sunak’s refusal to cut taxes risked Britain becoming a “middle-income economy” with a loss of “global influence and power”.

    In an article for The Times he pointedly added that Truss had the “willingness to challenge the status quo” warning there were “no risk-free options in government”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sajid-javid-liz-truss-tory-leadership-vgxcrxlrp

    More and more weight being thrown behind the forthcoming Raving Loony Conservative and Unionist Alliance.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    Mate, I know!

    I used to go score heroin there, around 1999 - so we might easily have crossed paths! I skipped the £5 hookers

    It is the most extraordinary transformation in any city in the world, perhaps

    New York has been hugely gentrified. Hudson Yards etc. But nothing so central and so dramatic as King's X, as far as I know. Hudson Yards is more like Canary Wharf
    I used to go looking for.... other things. All kinds of exciting crud-encrusted streets and alleyways.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,923
    rcs1000 said:

    @Jim_Miller

    On the subject of abortion, and Kansas, there are a couple of interesting conclusions:

    1. Abortion choice supporters aren't simply low motivation Dems. If they were, they would have voted in the Dem primaries yesterday.

    2. On the other hand, they are willing to go out and vote. "No" got comfortably more votes (in absolute terms) that the winning Gubernatorial candidate last time around. Which is absolutely astonishing, considering this was just primary day, and not November.

    3. If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit... But will they benefit, if it is explicitly in the hands of elected representatives, and that means voting Democrat?

    4. It has long been argued that anti abortion group is the more motivated one. I think that assumption is now looking incorrect.

    5. It has also been argued that "do you think of yourself as pro Choice or pro life?" is a good proxy for support. That has turned out not to be the case.

    6. The Kansas referendum was not framed (by those supporting the amendment) as a ban on abortions, only as allowing the State legislature to make abortion law. The residents of Kansas have voted (overwhelmingly) to not restrict abortion access further. Or perhaps, they considered the risk of a total ban as being too great.

    Only a limited number of states have ballot propositions. But there are some where abortion is basically illegal (like Idaho), where it is possible, and where attitudes are generally pro legalized abortion.

    This could be a very interesting November.

    In most Southern states ballot initiatives are not legal, only legislative referrals. It is the South where opposition to abortion is highest so therefore it will be a key factor in governor and state legislature elections in November
  • Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    I remember that! Went to see someone in that office a few years earlier, perhaps 1992-3, when it was still very new. I did wince when I turned out of KX and saw the ambience of that street, and I was glad to be getting back to the train while it was still daylight.
    In those days there was a ramp off the end of platform 1 out onto York Road. So you could exit the station, cross the street and be into the Nature building inside 30 seconds. Barely time to wave at Clive Sinclair in his penthouse...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @Jim_Miller

    On the subject of abortion, and Kansas, there are a couple of interesting conclusions:

    1. Abortion choice supporters aren't simply low motivation Dems. If they were, they would have voted in the Dem primaries yesterday.

    2. On the other hand, they are willing to go out and vote. "No" got comfortably more votes (in absolute terms) that the winning Gubernatorial candidate last time around. Which is absolutely astonishing, considering this was just primary day, and not November.

    3. If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit... But will they benefit, if it is explicitly in the hands of elected representatives, and that means voting Democrat?

    4. It has long been argued that anti abortion group is the more motivated one. I think that assumption is now looking incorrect.

    5. It has also been argued that "do you think of yourself as pro Choice or pro life?" is a good proxy for support. That has turned out not to be the case.

    6. The Kansas referendum was not framed (by those supporting the amendment) as a ban on abortions, only as allowing the State legislature to make abortion law. The residents of Kansas have voted (overwhelmingly) to not restrict abortion access further. Or perhaps, they considered the risk of a total ban as being too great.

    Only a limited number of states have ballot propositions. But there are some where abortion is basically illegal (like Idaho), where it is possible, and where attitudes are generally pro legalized abortion.

    This could be a very interesting November.

    In most Southern states ballot initiatives are not legal, only legislative referrals. It is the South where opposition to abortion is highest so therefore it will be a key factor in governor and state legislature elections in November
    Dude: only eight states have higher "pro Life" percentages than Kansas. And they voted by 18 points to keep abortion legal.

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749

    This is the dodgiest statistic I've ever seen:

    @MayorofLondon
    NEW: As a result of our junk food advertising ban on @TfL, nearly 100,000 cases of obesity have been prevented since 2019.

    It’s expected to save the NHS over £200 million. An incredible result.


    https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1554464060732735488

    Astonishing nonsense.
    We need some kind of public office of bullshitting detection.
    I think the government has an official statistician who has reprimanded the government for misusing statistics. I expect they've just uttered a weary sigh as they realise the effort they will have to go to writing a letter to Khan to correct his nonsense.
    It's called the "Office for National Statistics". Understandable that even people interested [?] in politics are still a bit hazy about it, as it's been in existence for only 26 years ...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    There must be some massive market for superhero and comic book films - which are essentially all the same - that just totally passes me by.

    It seems dozens are released a year, and they must be popular, yet I haven't seen a single one and have no intention to.
  • Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    I knew it in the early 1990s. Memories include trying to go and see a gf in North London, and stupidly getting on a Cambridge non-stopper (the staff were brilliant and did not charge me any extra fare; they got me on the correct train back, and the only cost was a peeved gf). Going on a Monopoly board pub crawl, and going into the divingish-dive where some bored-looking strippers were performing for a couple of bemused-looking tourists. Walking the Regents Canal behind the station in agony, but loving every step. The dinghy narrow low-level platforms. Getting a greasy kebab from a van that must have failed every food-standards law made on out way to someone's digs at ULU. walking down a road, and encountering waves of prostitutes and tourists - and sometimes, perhaps, both. Lots of homeless people.

    I wish I'd made more of those years. They were brilliant, for me at least.

    To be young again...
    Trains and a peeved gf? I hooked back up with an ex whilst I was still in London. We went to a comedy club, went back to hers, had creative sex then slept. Following morning I was awoken to a Class 37 chugging at a red signal practically outside her bedroom window (which was a winner btw in rail enthusiast speak). Which then prompted more sex.

    Where did my life go...?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited August 2022
    Used to spend a lot of time round King's Cross late eighties. Living in Bloomsbury, at the Scala 3 or 4 nights a week when it was an arty movie theatre. Kebab Machine. Drunks, addicts, homeless and prostitutes. Sometimes all 4 in the same incarnation. You could buy any of tomorrow's newspapers after around 10 pm or so.
    The fire.
    Happy days.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    I remember that! Went to see someone in that office a few years earlier, perhaps 1992-3, when it was still very new. I did wince when I turned out of KX and saw the ambience of that street, and I was glad to be getting back to the train while it was still daylight.
    In those days there was a ramp off the end of platform 1 out onto York Road. So you could exit the station, cross the street and be into the Nature building inside 30 seconds. Barely time to wave at Clive Sinclair in his penthouse...
    I need to go back and explore the KX/StP area properly when I next visit my Camden friend; so much change there, including StP itself which was still very much its original state when I knew it, as described in Jack Simmons's history; didn't have time to more than pay homage to Hardy at the eponymous church, and to register the degree of change when passing through it in recent years, which needed a new edition of the history.
  • rcs1000 said:

    @Jim_Miller

    On the subject of abortion, and Kansas, there are a couple of interesting conclusions:

    1. Abortion choice supporters aren't simply low motivation Dems. If they were, they would have voted in the Dem primaries yesterday.

    2. On the other hand, they are willing to go out and vote. "No" got comfortably more votes (in absolute terms) that the winning Gubernatorial candidate last time around. Which is absolutely astonishing, considering this was just primary day, and not November.

    3. If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit... But will they benefit, if it is explicitly in the hands of elected representatives, and that means voting Democrat?

    4. It has long been argued that anti abortion group is the more motivated one. I think that assumption is now looking incorrect.

    5. It has also been argued that "do you think of yourself as pro Choice or pro life?" is a good proxy for support. That has turned out not to be the case.

    6. The Kansas referendum was not framed (by those supporting the amendment) as a ban on abortions, only as allowing the State legislature to make abortion law. The residents of Kansas have voted (overwhelmingly) to not restrict abortion access further. Or perhaps, they considered the risk of a total ban as being too great.

    Only a limited number of states have ballot propositions. But there are some where abortion is basically illegal (like Idaho), where it is possible, and where attitudes are generally pro legalized abortion.

    This could be a very interesting November.

    Most of your points make good sense. However, note that Kansas party primaries are closed, that is limited to voters who publicly declare affiliation, either in advance or - if previously unaffiliated - on primary day. So unaffiliated voters could NOT vote in either party primary yesterday BUT they could and DID vote on the anti-abortion referendum.

    My point is, blanket statement that, "If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit" is NOT correct, certainly not in all cases. For example, a ballot measure on abortion might well have a significant impact on turnout in a GENERAL election, or in primaries in open primary states.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I'm not polluting my PC with anything from U2. Have you got a Radiohead alternative? ;)

    Nobody admitting to X+Y, Coldplay...
    I *do* have a Coldplay album. Viva La Vida, because I wanted to compare the Pet Shop Boys' cover of 'Viva la Vida' with theirs.

    The PSB version is far better, if only for the faux-drum intro for the first minute.
    Be careful. The fate of all Coldplay album owners is to spend eternity listening to that fucking dirge 'The Scientist' on permanent, unending loop
    If you think The Scientist is the worst song Coldplay ever released, boy are you in for a surprise.
    Coldplay can be a great band. Right up until the moment Chris Martin opens his mouth.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592

    There must be some massive market for superhero and comic book films - which are essentially all the same - that just totally passes me by.

    It seems dozens are released a year, and they must be popular, yet I haven't seen a single one and have no intention to.

    Some are really good escapism. Thor: Love and Thunder was brilliant. Utter tosh, but brilliant utter tosh. Exactly the sort of entertainment you want to go to a cinema to see.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2022
    BF punters now expect Truss to get ~65% of the vote, according to the voteshare market.

    Slowly edging up.
  • Cardiff Hustings 7pm can be downstreamed from Youtube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD_UtJeRwC0 (Telegraph)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULcLuRx__nI (Sun)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5X6gz_p3G8 (Mail)
    and doubtless other places.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    edited August 2022

    There must be some massive market for superhero and comic book films - which are essentially all the same - that just totally passes me by.

    It seems dozens are released a year, and they must be popular, yet I haven't seen a single one and have no intention to.

    These films included the greatest comedic moment in cinema history.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUCRcK7QYc

    Edit - Actually the second best.

    This is the funniest moment in cinematic history, I needed oxygen in the cinema.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCNN2CnCAww
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    Maybe Johnson is leaving the Lionesses' reception to Truss

    You would expect the sheer totty count to sway him. Perhaps carrie said no.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited August 2022
    Boris draws level with Mrs May in 5 hours 21 minutes. The bodger is going to outserve her. The ghost of Big Jim has 18 days to haunt Rishi into quitting or he will be the final former PM overtaken.
    Of those serving less than five years, he will be behind Addington, Portland, Derby, Grey, Balfour and Heath.

    Interesting titbits of the day - no PM has served between 4 and 5 years (so nobody serving one full term and going a few weeks early) and only two between five and six years - Lloyd George and Peel
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @Jim_Miller

    On the subject of abortion, and Kansas, there are a couple of interesting conclusions:

    1. Abortion choice supporters aren't simply low motivation Dems. If they were, they would have voted in the Dem primaries yesterday.

    2. On the other hand, they are willing to go out and vote. "No" got comfortably more votes (in absolute terms) that the winning Gubernatorial candidate last time around. Which is absolutely astonishing, considering this was just primary day, and not November.

    3. If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit... But will they benefit, if it is explicitly in the hands of elected representatives, and that means voting Democrat?

    4. It has long been argued that anti abortion group is the more motivated one. I think that assumption is now looking incorrect.

    5. It has also been argued that "do you think of yourself as pro Choice or pro life?" is a good proxy for support. That has turned out not to be the case.

    6. The Kansas referendum was not framed (by those supporting the amendment) as a ban on abortions, only as allowing the State legislature to make abortion law. The residents of Kansas have voted (overwhelmingly) to not restrict abortion access further. Or perhaps, they considered the risk of a total ban as being too great.

    Only a limited number of states have ballot propositions. But there are some where abortion is basically illegal (like Idaho), where it is possible, and where attitudes are generally pro legalized abortion.

    This could be a very interesting November.

    In most Southern states ballot initiatives are not legal, only legislative referrals. It is the South where opposition to abortion is highest so therefore it will be a key factor in governor and state legislature elections in November
    Dude: only eight states have higher "pro Life" percentages than Kansas. And they voted by 18 points to keep abortion legal.

    Went down an internet rabbit hole which I regret last night over the Battersbee case. I had no idea how utterly psychotically horrible American Christians (who are, you guessed, supporting the parents there) actually are.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,923
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @Jim_Miller

    On the subject of abortion, and Kansas, there are a couple of interesting conclusions:

    1. Abortion choice supporters aren't simply low motivation Dems. If they were, they would have voted in the Dem primaries yesterday.

    2. On the other hand, they are willing to go out and vote. "No" got comfortably more votes (in absolute terms) that the winning Gubernatorial candidate last time around. Which is absolutely astonishing, considering this was just primary day, and not November.

    3. If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit... But will they benefit, if it is explicitly in the hands of elected representatives, and that means voting Democrat?

    4. It has long been argued that anti abortion group is the more motivated one. I think that assumption is now looking incorrect.

    5. It has also been argued that "do you think of yourself as pro Choice or pro life?" is a good proxy for support. That has turned out not to be the case.

    6. The Kansas referendum was not framed (by those supporting the amendment) as a ban on abortions, only as allowing the State legislature to make abortion law. The residents of Kansas have voted (overwhelmingly) to not restrict abortion access further. Or perhaps, they considered the risk of a total ban as being too great.

    Only a limited number of states have ballot propositions. But there are some where abortion is basically illegal (like Idaho), where it is possible, and where attitudes are generally pro legalized abortion.

    This could be a very interesting November.

    In most Southern states ballot initiatives are not legal, only legislative referrals. It is the South where opposition to abortion is highest so therefore it will be a key factor in governor and state legislature elections in November
    Dude: only eight states have higher "pro Life" percentages than Kansas. And they voted by 18 points to keep abortion legal.

    14 states have higher percentages saying abortion should be mostly illegal than Kansas actually.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/views-about-abortion/by/state/

    Even if only 1 or 2 of them made abortion mostly illegal that would still be a victory for pro life activists compared to the era of Roe v Wade when abortion was legal across the US
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited August 2022

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Nick Clegg joins clique of Meta bosses switching to London

    https:/Yes, is back, part time…

    Clegg is back, and London is back!


    From that thread of articles:

    "Hoberman said: “They also move because they see the US so fractionalised. As San Francisco loses its density [of tech headquarters], there’s a chance for London to be the global leader.”"

    This is absolutely true. Why step over homeless addict in SF when you can be in glorious sunny London? In King's X? With no threat of Trump? And two hours from all of Europe?
    I saw recently that parts of East London have taken over SF for density of tech startups. Kings cross looks like the choice for established tech so will be another huge draw for startups looking for global locations. I know one SAAS company which is currently HQ'd in SF that's considering moving operationally to London from there and leaving behind a small outpost of sales people in NYC. That's the other one that's coming for SF, operational excellence in development by being based in London and sales/GTM based on the East Coast of the US either in NYC or Miami. It's such a better set of timezones. SF used to have the advantage of crossover with APAC countries but with the ease of remote work and setting up remote workers on a single payroll tech companies are choosing to hire locally in Singapore, Melbourne and Wellington.
    FPT

    Yes, and more: as NYC sinks into crime, and is menaced by deeper political division, a lot of business in NYC will come here. Remote working suddenly benefits the UK

    Really. Why would you work in NYC or LA or SF if you can work in London?

    NYC is a truly great city and LA is jolly interesting and SF has a certain beauty, but they have grave downsides, and they are all trillions of miles from anywhere else

    Fly two hours from NYC and you are in, er, Toronto

    Compare that with London, when in 2 hours or less you can be in Paris, Venice, Berlin, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Rome, Florence, Edinburgh, Nice... and the Alps, the Balearics, Sicily, western Ireland, Burgundy, the Algarve, the Black Forest, the Dordogne, the Italian lakes, the Dolomites, Tyrol,...

    There is no comparison. If your job is no longer quite so tied to the Silicon Valley office, you will move to London
    NYC makes sense for a lot of reasons despite the crime (and it's nowhere near as bad as SF) it's got the 2pm-6pm crossover with London, there's already quite a few companies in the area, it's bigger and better connected than SF (which means people have the option of living in NJ and commuting in) and it's only 7h on a cheap business class flight from London for business meetings. For tech startups there's also a fuckton of potential clients on the doorstep in NYC because there's so many financial services companies looking to cut costs. The City is one of the reasons tech has thrived in London, its clients and financing for startups.
    NYC is unquestionably a magnificent city (as I said in my earlier comment), but so is London. And the downsides of NYC - crime, racial tension, MAGA-Trump, divided country, healthcare, opiates, guns - now seem to me to outweigh the downsides of London: weather, greyness, grotty areas

    Both are English-speaking world cities with glorious culture, London has more history, New York City has that skyline

    The proximity of the rest of Europe might be the clincher for me, if I was a highly paid tech exec. And where do you want your kids to grow up? Safely?

    But of course I am biased

    I think we will see more American execs choosing London on a quasi-WFH basis. It will be a complex and remarkable irony if post-Brexit London ascends to world capital status (again?)..... because it is in Europe

    Yes, that's why I think London is a good shout for operational and potentially tax HQ. My point on NYC is more in relation to having the sales function for NA run out of there rather than SF because it has significantly better crossover with London and it's only a 7h flight for when seniors and execs need face to face meetings.

    The London/NYC split works brilliantly for financial services, it being replicated for tech would be no surprise.

    The last piece of the puzzle is higher risk funds in London willing to invest hundreds of millions for series D onwards.
    Yes, I concur

    Finance/sales stuff might stay in NYC but a lot of intellectual/HQ heft will move to London

    Add in the boost from Hong Kong and - perhaps unexpectedly - London could really thrive in the next decade

    I wonder if this is what I sensed in King's X yesterday. Essentially they are - wittingly or not - creating a Silicon Valley in an amazing new London neighborhood, but with added universities and science institutes and art galleries and biochemistry labs and the British Library and the rest, and all of it 300m from St Pancras and the eurostar, and half an hour from Heathrow via the Liz Line, with Shoreditch and the Silicon roundabout just down the road

    It is completely unique. London - esp King's X - has the chance to be THE tech hub for the world, or at least the western world

    If I was the head of Instagram, I'd move from California to King's Cross (never thought I'd write that). Just to see

    Kings Cross? Would you like to know about living there in the before times? Of COURSE you would...

    I moved to that London in July 1999. I had graduated with a Journalism Degree in summer 1998 already working in radio on various short term contracts. By late spring 1999 there was a gap, and I was a bit fed up with the GF I was living with. So moved to London to find a job.

    Which I did in 7 working days. Literally. Arrived Sunday. Agency interviews Monday, job interviews later that week, a 2nd interview the following Monday and started working for Nature the science journal straight away.

    Their office is on Crinan Street, the north end of KX station with the canal basin behind. So I rented a 1 bed mini bedsit at the top of Grays Inn Road and started work. Kings Cross at the time was home to only one thriving industry - hookers. I was propositioned at 8am one morning crossing the road by the station on the way to work! There was so little in the way of facilities in Kings Cross that the company had a free canteen for its employees - there literally being nothing available in the vicinity.

    At the top of Crinan Street was a pub which had been an old canal warehouse - now demolished and the site of Guardian Newspapers building. And a wine bar on Balfe Street. Aside from the Flying Scotsman fight bar on Caledonian Road, that was it.

    The transformation in 20 years is literally mindblowing.
    I knew it in the early 1990s. Memories include trying to go and see a gf in North London, and stupidly getting on a Cambridge non-stopper (the staff were brilliant and did not charge me any extra fare; they got me on the correct train back, and the only cost was a peeved gf). Going on a Monopoly board pub crawl, and going into the divingish-dive where some bored-looking strippers were performing for a couple of bemused-looking tourists. Walking the Regents Canal behind the station in agony, but loving every step. The dinghy narrow low-level platforms. Getting a greasy kebab from a van that must have failed every food-standards law made on out way to someone's digs at ULU. walking down a road, and encountering waves of prostitutes and tourists - and sometimes, perhaps, both. Lots of homeless people.

    I wish I'd made more of those years. They were brilliant, for me at least.

    To be young again...
    My main memory of Ye Olde Kings Cross is being taken by Antipodian team mates to Church at Bagley's Studio at the old freight depot off York Way. Sawdust on the floor, cheap drinks and the games were quite amusing - M/F clothes swapping being a favourite. There were also strippers. All on all a fantastic Sunday afternoon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,923
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @Jim_Miller

    On the subject of abortion, and Kansas, there are a couple of interesting conclusions:

    1. Abortion choice supporters aren't simply low motivation Dems. If they were, they would have voted in the Dem primaries yesterday.

    2. On the other hand, they are willing to go out and vote. "No" got comfortably more votes (in absolute terms) that the winning Gubernatorial candidate last time around. Which is absolutely astonishing, considering this was just primary day, and not November.

    3. If abortion goes to ballot propositions, then the Dems don't really benefit... But will they benefit, if it is explicitly in the hands of elected representatives, and that means voting Democrat?

    4. It has long been argued that anti abortion group is the more motivated one. I think that assumption is now looking incorrect.

    5. It has also been argued that "do you think of yourself as pro Choice or pro life?" is a good proxy for support. That has turned out not to be the case.

    6. The Kansas referendum was not framed (by those supporting the amendment) as a ban on abortions, only as allowing the State legislature to make abortion law. The residents of Kansas have voted (overwhelmingly) to not restrict abortion access further. Or perhaps, they considered the risk of a total ban as being too great.

    Only a limited number of states have ballot propositions. But there are some where abortion is basically illegal (like Idaho), where it is possible, and where attitudes are generally pro legalized abortion.

    This could be a very interesting November.

    In most Southern states ballot initiatives are not legal, only legislative referrals. It is the South where opposition to abortion is highest so therefore it will be a key factor in governor and state legislature elections in November
    Dude: only eight states have higher "pro Life" percentages than Kansas. And they voted by 18 points to keep abortion legal.

    Went down an internet rabbit hole which I regret last night over the Battersbee case. I had no idea how utterly psychotically horrible American Christians (who are, you guessed, supporting the parents there) actually are.
    Depends which Christians, there is a huge difference in their view of social issues between an American Episcopalian and a Southern Baptist for example
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