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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    The Italian election will be much more important than the Tory contest.

    In the latest polls, Fratelli d'Italia + Lega + Forza Italia + ItalExit would be around 47-48%, which I guess would be enoughfor a majority. Could lead to some explosive battles with Brussels if the right wins.

    Somewhat surprising that 5 Star didn't support Draghi when they look set to be pummeled.

    Depends what battles you mean.

    My (primitive) read on Italian politics is that an needless churn of populist parties (from left and right) win power running against the technocrats and then spend their time in power realising that no way in hell do the electorate actually want to lose the Euro because it means the destruction of wealth and savings.

    Like the UK, it’s stuck in a gerontocratic-populist death loop.
    Liz Truss could be the PM you've been waiting for.

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/975822789759389698

    Every generation wants their own version of #freedom- freedom to shape their own lives. This is about #choice #destiny

    This generation are #Uber-riding #Airbnb-ing #Deliveroo-eating #freedomfighters
    What does that even mean?
    As Dom says, 'barking mad'.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Leon said:

    Friend of mine has a theory that the aliens are a probably HOSTILE life form, and all the mystery is because governments have no idea how to break this terrifying news to humanity

    He's a very clever free thinker who sometimes gets things completely bang on out of nowhere - incredible insights - yet at the same time can entertain utterly mad ideas, at least for a while

    I hope this is one of his madder moments

    I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit.

    Only way to be sure.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    What a case this is. Tears to my eyes anyway. Time to change the law.

    Man, 73, who cut wife’s throat in suicide pact cleared of murder
    https://www.beestondentalpractice.co.uk/latest-news/

    "Outside court, Mansfield took the highly unusual step of thanking the Greater Manchester police officers who arrested him and ultimately charged him with murder. “They have been so lovely and kind,” he said. “They are nice people and they treated me like a human being.” "

    Erm... what has all of this got to do with a dental surgery in Nottingham?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412

    The Italian election will be much more important than the Tory contest.

    In the latest polls, Fratelli d'Italia + Lega + Forza Italia + ItalExit would be around 47-48%, which I guess would be enoughfor a majority. Could lead to some explosive battles with Brussels if the right wins.

    Somewhat surprising that 5 Star didn't support Draghi when they look set to be pummeled.

    Depends what battles you mean.

    My (primitive) read on Italian politics is that an needless churn of populist parties (from left and right) win power running against the technocrats and then spend their time in power realising that no way in hell do the electorate actually want to lose the Euro because it means the destruction of wealth and savings.

    Like the UK, it’s stuck in a gerontocratic-populist death loop.
    Liz Truss could be the PM you've been waiting for.

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/975822789759389698

    Every generation wants their own version of #freedom- freedom to shape their own lives. This is about #choice #destiny

    This generation are #Uber-riding #Airbnb-ing #Deliveroo-eating #freedomfighters
    What does that even mean?
    It’s about freedom - to ignore things like marriage vows, riding whenever and with whoever you want, waking up in strangers’ homes, eating unhealthily and ageing badly and of course Ukraine. All things close to her heart maybe.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    pigeon said:

    What a case this is. Tears to my eyes anyway. Time to change the law.

    Man, 73, who cut wife’s throat in suicide pact cleared of murder
    https://www.beestondentalpractice.co.uk/latest-news/

    "Outside court, Mansfield took the highly unusual step of thanking the Greater Manchester police officers who arrested him and ultimately charged him with murder. “They have been so lovely and kind,” he said. “They are nice people and they treated me like a human being.” "

    Erm... what has all of this got to do with a dental surgery in Nottingham?
    "You can't get an appointment with our dentists...but hey, look, things could be worse"

    ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    pigeon said:

    What a case this is. Tears to my eyes anyway. Time to change the law.

    Man, 73, who cut wife’s throat in suicide pact cleared of murder
    https://www.beestondentalpractice.co.uk/latest-news/

    "Outside court, Mansfield took the highly unusual step of thanking the Greater Manchester police officers who arrested him and ultimately charged him with murder. “They have been so lovely and kind,” he said. “They are nice people and they treated me like a human being.” "

    Erm... what has all of this got to do with a dental surgery in Nottingham?
    Oh good point. Cock up. I was looking for a dentist for a relative. Been a very long day...

    Here it is:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/21/man-73-cut-wife-throat-suicide-pact-cleared-murder-manchester-graham-mansfield
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited July 2022
    The legacy of Reganomics in the US, was to turn the democrats into the party of sound money and fiscal discipline.

    I think we’re undergoing a similar political realignment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    edited July 2022
    Rishi making a big play of he stopped Lockdown #27 against Omicron.

    Not sure if that is necessarily a good move as I think it will shine a spotlight of early times during COVID when it also seems like he wasn't very keen on Lockdown.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    edited July 2022

    Foxy said:

    800 calories is incredibly hard.

    I think 1200 or even 1400 is fine so long as you try to eschew sugar and carbs.

    I recently found some “zero carb” bread which I thought I’d try for a laugh. Made entirely from eggs and almonds. It’s actually “OK”. If I was dieting it would be v useful.

    Sorry if this is very old news and I’m the last one to discover this product.

    It is tough, but it does work. I have chatted to Prof Taylor about his fascinating work on the subject, summarised here:

    https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation

    His ideas started when he was looking at people having weight loss surgery, and what happened to the diabetes afterwards. The thing that intrigued him is that the diabetes got better within days, before the weight went. His MRI studies showed that the key was that severe calorie restriction lost fat initially in liver and pancreas, which greatly increased effectiveness of endogenous insulin. Effectively resetting the metabolic thermostat at a lower weight.

    800 calories and 8 weeks is the right ball park, but not absolute, but it really works. This isn't a fad, but rather the work of a UK professor of diabetes and now backed by Diabetes UK.

    Roy Taylor deserves the Nobel prize for medicine in my opinion. His work is such an astonishing and brilliant discovery that also could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives (and save medical services like NHS billions) but it also was a classic medical detective case where he went with the evidence he saw and against his colleagues who doubted him greatly.

    His book, detailing the story is brilliant.

    He would go to conferences and show his thoughts and they all thought he was barking mad.

    His discovery is also very empowering. Not some fancy expensive pharmaceutical, but a straightforward approach available to anyone.

    800 calories for 8 weeks is quite tough though.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314

    The Italian election will be much more important than the Tory contest.

    In the latest polls, Fratelli d'Italia + Lega + Forza Italia + ItalExit would be around 47-48%, which I guess would be enoughfor a majority. Could lead to some explosive battles with Brussels if the right wins.

    Somewhat surprising that 5 Star didn't support Draghi when they look set to be pummeled.

    Depends what battles you mean.

    My (primitive) read on Italian politics is that an needless churn of populist parties (from left and right) win power running against the technocrats and then spend their time in power realising that no way in hell do the electorate actually want to lose the Euro because it means the destruction of wealth and savings.

    Like the UK, it’s stuck in a gerontocratic-populist death loop.
    Liz Truss could be the PM you've been waiting for.

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/975822789759389698

    Every generation wants their own version of #freedom- freedom to shape their own lives. This is about #choice #destiny

    This generation are #Uber-riding #Airbnb-ing #Deliveroo-eating #freedomfighters
    That's definitely going to win the hearts and minds of the under 40s, isn't it?
    She's bonkers.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    ping said:

    The legacy of Reganomics in the US, was to make the democrats the party of sound money.

    I think we’re undergoing a similar political realignment.

    The rule in US is that the deficit only matters if there is a Dem President.

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Has anyone asked Truss why she didn’t resign as Chief Secretary to the Treasury, if she thought its approach was so misguided?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    Friend of mine has a theory that the aliens are a probably HOSTILE life form, and all the mystery is because governments have no idea how to break this terrifying news to humanity

    He's a very clever free thinker who sometimes gets things completely bang on out of nowhere - incredible insights - yet at the same time can entertain utterly mad ideas, at least for a while

    I hope this is one of his madder moments

    Yes, some ideas are so nutty that even an avowed conspiracy theorist needs to conjure up a ‘friend’, who doubtless also has various embarrassing problems needing advice…

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238

    What a case this is. Tears to my eyes anyway. Time to change the law.

    Man, 73, who cut wife’s throat in suicide pact cleared of murder
    https://www.beestondentalpractice.co.uk/latest-news/


    "Outside court, Mansfield took the highly unusual step of thanking the Greater Manchester police officers who arrested him and ultimately charged him with murder. “They have been so lovely and kind,” he said. “They are nice people and they treated me like a human being.” "

    Beeston Dental Practice isn't a news website I'm familiar with, but from a cursory glance it looks better than Mail Online. Which Tory candidate are they supporting?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    At least with Truss we know what the written commands to the Trident subs will be.

    Turn Moscow into glass.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Friend of mine has a theory that the aliens are a probably HOSTILE life form, and all the mystery is because governments have no idea how to break this terrifying news to humanity

    He's a very clever free thinker who sometimes gets things completely bang on out of nowhere - incredible insights - yet at the same time can entertain utterly mad ideas, at least for a while

    I hope this is one of his madder moments

    Yes, some ideas are so nutty that even an avowed conspiracy theorist needs to conjure up a ‘friend’, who doubtless also has various embarrassing problems needing advice…

    My friend is actually a county councillor; maybe pray he is not ruling the Isle of Wight
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,575

    Jesse Lingard signs for Forest

    Damn.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    Just 3 likes.

    People don’t seem to approve of Liz’s helmet habit.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    IshmaelZ said:

    MikeL said:

    It's funny how things change - last night Kirsty Wark on Newsnight pointed out that Starmer had campaigned on the basis of keeping the Corbyn legacy in tact.

    The thing is that we just don't know what Truss will actually do - except it almost certainly won't just be what we are expecting.

    I want Sunak to win but have to concede Truss may grow into the role and come across better than we think. And she may get lucky with events.

    Well established rule with tory leaders: expect the worst and you won't be disappointed.
    Applies to everything. A life lived according to the minimax regret criterion. Not much fun really

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,069

    The Italian election will be much more important than the Tory contest.

    In the latest polls, Fratelli d'Italia + Lega + Forza Italia + ItalExit would be around 47-48%, which I guess would be enoughfor a majority. Could lead to some explosive battles with Brussels if the right wins.

    Somewhat surprising that 5 Star didn't support Draghi when they look set to be pummeled.

    Depends what battles you mean.

    My (primitive) read on Italian politics is that an needless churn of populist parties (from left and right) win power running against the technocrats and then spend their time in power realising that no way in hell do the electorate actually want to lose the Euro because it means the destruction of wealth and savings.

    Like the UK, it’s stuck in a gerontocratic-populist death loop.
    Liz Truss could be the PM you've been waiting for.

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/975822789759389698

    Every generation wants their own version of #freedom- freedom to shape their own lives. This is about #choice #destiny

    This generation are #Uber-riding #Airbnb-ing #Deliveroo-eating #freedomfighters
    What does that even mean?
    It means you don't have to grow up.

    There's a stage of life in teenagerdom where you have a safe space to try out all sorts of crazy stuff as you work out who you are. That's kind of fun.

    Your parents will moan and push back, sure. Teenage rebellion is natural and healthy. But mostly they will (if they are wise) roll their eyes, stop you being really stupid, and catch you before anything irretrievably bad happens.

    But after a while, careers, significant others and families intrude, and you become responsible. You become responsible for your life, and probably for the lives of others. You have to act responsibly, and accept that the safety net is further down and weaker than before. And that's boring and hard work.

    There's a kind of simplistic, picture book libertarianism that gets in a strop about that. That hates the network of mutual responsibility that makes society work. But would be the first to moan if they needed a safety net that wasn't there.

    It's easy, and probably healthy, to pine for the excitement of those years. But it's also dishonest, because someone has to pay the bills and clean the toilet.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    A helmet, in a helmet.

    As an inherited money, foxhunting drunk, I never thought I would be wishing for a Labour government.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    Just 3 likes.

    People don’t seem to approve of Liz’s helmet habit.
    It must have been screenshotted by someone when it was first posted. It's got 482 likes now.

    Her caption was: "I was with the roundheads, right until they started banning fun."

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BwPMosln5Uj/
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    edited July 2022
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    800 calories is incredibly hard.

    I think 1200 or even 1400 is fine so long as you try to eschew sugar and carbs.

    I recently found some “zero carb” bread which I thought I’d try for a laugh. Made entirely from eggs and almonds. It’s actually “OK”. If I was dieting it would be v useful.

    Sorry if this is very old news and I’m the last one to discover this product.

    It is tough, but it does work. I have chatted to Prof Taylor about his fascinating work on the subject, summarised here:

    https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation

    His ideas started when he was looking at people having weight loss surgery, and what happened to the diabetes afterwards. The thing that intrigued him is that the diabetes got better within days, before the weight went. His MRI studies showed that the key was that severe calorie restriction lost fat initially in liver and pancreas, which greatly increased effectiveness of endogenous insulin. Effectively resetting the metabolic thermostat at a lower weight.

    800 calories and 8 weeks is the right ball park, but not absolute, but it really works. This isn't a fad, but rather the work of a UK professor of diabetes and now backed by Diabetes UK.

    Roy Taylor deserves the Nobel prize for medicine in my opinion. His work is such an astonishing and brilliant discovery that also could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives (and save medical services like NHS billions) but it also was a classic medical detective case where he went with the evidence he saw and against his colleagues who doubted him greatly.

    His book, detailing the story is brilliant.

    He would go to conferences and show his thoughts and they all thought he was barking mad.

    His discovery is also very empowering. Not some fancy expensive pharmaceutical, but a straightforward approach available to anyone.

    800 calories for 8 weeks is quite tough though.
    How much has this rolled out through the NHS as best practice? Michael Mosley has popularised it of course but the UK is still very fat.

    Though not as fat as the US where it is kind of weirdly normalised to be quite dangerously obese.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,095

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Despite one poll, which one of our number seems convinced is evidence most people in the country love Liz Truss and are looking forward to the forthcoming economic illiteracy, I imagine the opposition parties are quite content with events.

    Truss will be desperate to get some form of "bounce" and we'll all end up paying for it with her absurd unfunded tax cuts. Clearly, there are those who think cutting taxes is all that matters - it isn't. June's borrowing figures were awful and not helped by rising inflation and interest rates - after all, inflation is too much money chasing too few goods so giving people more money to spend is a sure fire way of reducing inflation?

    The Lafferites and their fellow travellers are obviously hoping the populism will be enough - maybe but I prefer to wonder about increased defence spending, money for education, the NHS, pensions, local Government services and all those small adjuncts to a civilised life beyond simply paying less in tax.

    The Sunak approach is boring but sensible - the Truss approach is championed by those for whom the only nightmare paying more tax is a non-Conservative Government. The perpetuation of the Conservative Party in Government justifies anything and everything including the evisceration of the public finances.

    Simple question for those who think Laffer is nonsense, given we've supposedly had "austerity" for most of the past 12 years and given we've got tax rates at the highest they've been in three quarters of a century - if Laffer is a nonsense why don't we have a huge budget surplus?
    Laffer looks at revenues, budget surplus at revenues minus expenditure

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Maybe she'll be Bantz.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,575
    edited July 2022
    Asked and answered.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    The more public events there are, the closer Rishi will get, because he's a far better public speaker.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Anti-Truss MPs who voted for Sunak have got to take a long hard look at themselves.

    They clearly had a bad case of Centerist-Pundit Brain when they settled for Sunak.

    Also known as Hilary Clinton Syndrome and Andy-Burnham-itis.
    Clinton was at least ahead on the (badly flawed) polling. The only head to head Sunak was winning was Jeremy Hunt!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    Fuel price protestors will slow traffic to a crawl with rolling roadblocks on M4, M5, M3 and A38 tomorrow
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    800 calories is incredibly hard.

    I think 1200 or even 1400 is fine so long as you try to eschew sugar and carbs.

    I recently found some “zero carb” bread which I thought I’d try for a laugh. Made entirely from eggs and almonds. It’s actually “OK”. If I was dieting it would be v useful.

    Sorry if this is very old news and I’m the last one to discover this product.

    It is tough, but it does work. I have chatted to Prof Taylor about his fascinating work on the subject, summarised here:

    https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation

    His ideas started when he was looking at people having weight loss surgery, and what happened to the diabetes afterwards. The thing that intrigued him is that the diabetes got better within days, before the weight went. His MRI studies showed that the key was that severe calorie restriction lost fat initially in liver and pancreas, which greatly increased effectiveness of endogenous insulin. Effectively resetting the metabolic thermostat at a lower weight.

    800 calories and 8 weeks is the right ball park, but not absolute, but it really works. This isn't a fad, but rather the work of a UK professor of diabetes and now backed by Diabetes UK.

    Roy Taylor deserves the Nobel prize for medicine in my opinion. His work is such an astonishing and brilliant discovery that also could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives (and save medical services like NHS billions) but it also was a classic medical detective case where he went with the evidence he saw and against his colleagues who doubted him greatly.

    His book, detailing the story is brilliant.

    He would go to conferences and show his thoughts and they all thought he was barking mad.

    His discovery is also very empowering. Not some fancy expensive pharmaceutical, but a straightforward approach available to anyone.

    800 calories for 8 weeks is quite tough though.
    How much has this rolled out through the NHS as best practice? Michael Mosley has popularised it of course but the UK is still very fat.

    Though not as fat as the US where it is kind of weirdly normalised to be quite dangerously obese.
    Diabetes UK (which combines NHS diabetes specialists and patient groups) supports it. Nearly half of type 2 diabetes are in remission after a year, and more than a third still at 2 years.

    https://www.diabetes.org.uk/research/research-round-up/research-spotlight/research-spotlight-low-calorie-liquid-diet#:~:text=Overall, more than a third,taking part in the programme.



  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    What a case this is. Tears to my eyes anyway. Time to change the law.

    Man, 73, who cut wife’s throat in suicide pact cleared of murder
    https://www.beestondentalpractice.co.uk/latest-news/


    "Outside court, Mansfield took the highly unusual step of thanking the Greater Manchester police officers who arrested him and ultimately charged him with murder. “They have been so lovely and kind,” he said. “They are nice people and they treated me like a human being.” "

    Beeston Dental Practice isn't a news website I'm familiar with, but from a cursory glance it looks better than Mail Online. Which Tory candidate are they supporting?
    In Scotland it would be Mr Sarwar.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I’m guessing she’s signalling she prefers Roundheads to cavaliers?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    Andy_JS said:

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    The more public events there are, the closer Rishi will get, because he's a far better public speaker.
    Truss's odds may lengthen a bit and make for better value, but she is nailed on now.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,069

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    I think most people thought that Truss would win fairly comfortably if she made it to the final stage.

    And there wasn't enough slack in the MP votes to safely prevent that.

    The only thing that stops her now is a bloody good story in the Sunday Times.

    Over to you, Shippers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    boulay said:

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I’m guessing she’s signalling she prefers Roundheads to cavaliers?
    I think that a fairly standard helmet of the period for either side.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited July 2022
    boulay said:

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I’m guessing she’s signalling she prefers Roundheads to cavaliers?
    Not really. They were dressed pretty similarly on the whole, hence the colour sashes. The helmet could be either side.

    Edit: that refers to the English. The Lowland Scots had slightly different dress and kit, the Gaels from the Highlands, Galloway, and Ireland much more so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Fuel price protestors will slow traffic to a crawl with rolling roadblocks on M4, M5, M3 and A38 tomorrow

    Makes a change from extinction rebellion I suppose!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412
    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I’m guessing she’s signalling she prefers Roundheads to cavaliers?
    Not really. They were dressed pretty similarly on the whole, hence the colour sashes. The helmet could be either side.

    Sorry, I know that having flirted with joining the Sealed Knot , it was a childish penis joke.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    Foxy said:

    Fuel price protestors will slow traffic to a crawl with rolling roadblocks on M4, M5, M3 and A38 tomorrow

    Makes a change from extinction rebellion I suppose!
    Maybe they should do a colab.

    I am not best pleased as I have a meeting to go to.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    I think most people thought that Truss would win fairly comfortably if she made it to the final stage.

    And there wasn't enough slack in the MP votes to safely prevent that.

    The only thing that stops her now is a bloody good story in the Sunday Times.

    Over to you, Shippers.
    There is bound to be something.

    Even if it isn't enough to stop her winning I reckon there will be an early August Surprise.

    Whereas for Sunak it will just be stuff about his wealth.

    Which I just don't get - Johnson is very wealthy by any measure of the reality of income and capital in UK. Very, very wealthy and soon to be considerably more wealthy.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Rishi making a big play of he stopped Lockdown #27 against Omicron.

    Not sure if that is necessarily a good move as I think it will shine a spotlight of early times during COVID when it also seems like he wasn't very keen on Lockdown.

    Yeah, also being the dude who got the "no second wave" crowd in the room is not where he wants to be.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,314

    Fuel price protestors will slow traffic to a crawl with rolling roadblocks on M4, M5, M3 and A38 tomorrow

    I'm sure the Mail, along with some on here, will be all over this, condemning the protestors and demanding they all be arrested for delaying ambulances, making people miss hospital appointments, and stopping ordinary people from going about their ordinary business.

    Or is that just when it's ER?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I think I've got a photo of myself wearing that same helmet. I hope she'll wash her hair afterwards... ;)
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    edited July 2022

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    I think most people thought that Truss would win fairly comfortably if she made it to the final stage.

    And there wasn't enough slack in the MP votes to safely prevent that.

    The only thing that stops her now is a bloody good story in the Sunday Times.

    Over to you, Shippers.
    There is bound to be something.

    Even if it isn't enough to stop her winning I reckon there will be an early August Surprise.

    Whereas for Sunak it will just be stuff about his wealth.

    Which I just don't get - Johnson is very wealthy by any measure of the reality of income and capital in UK. Very, very wealthy and soon to be considerably more wealthy.

    The public don’t mind wealth.

    Attacks against Cameron on this front just bounced off.

    It’s not Rishi’s wealth, it’s the “way he wears it”. It’s un-English (or un-British) to have a £180 “smart” mug and not know how to pay for petrol.

    It just is.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I think I've got a photo of myself wearing that same helmet. I hope she'll wash her hair afterwards... ;)
    Why? Do you have nits?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,424
    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    She's got my vote.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    edited July 2022

    Fuel price protestors will slow traffic to a crawl with rolling roadblocks on M4, M5, M3 and A38 tomorrow

    I'm sure the Mail, along with some on here, will be all over this, condemning the protestors and demanding they all be arrested for delaying ambulances, making people miss hospital appointments, and stopping ordinary people from going about their ordinary business.

    Or is that just when it's ER?
    I am not best pleased.

    However, one thing is worth mentioning, a go slow across 2 lanes isn't the same as gluing yourself to the carriageway. One still allows for traffic flow / emergency services, the other just places everybody in danger. Lying down in front of F1 cars and gluing yourself to the road in front of tour de france racers going at 40 mph is total arseholery.

    Also when they did this go slow a few weeks ago the police were very quick to detain and fined those involved in the go slow, in fact they detained a load at a service station because they were honest and upfront with the plod.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    800 calories is incredibly hard.

    I think 1200 or even 1400 is fine so long as you try to eschew sugar and carbs.

    I recently found some “zero carb” bread which I thought I’d try for a laugh. Made entirely from eggs and almonds. It’s actually “OK”. If I was dieting it would be v useful.

    Sorry if this is very old news and I’m the last one to discover this product.

    It is tough, but it does work. I have chatted to Prof Taylor about his fascinating work on the subject, summarised here:

    https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation

    His ideas started when he was looking at people having weight loss surgery, and what happened to the diabetes afterwards. The thing that intrigued him is that the diabetes got better within days, before the weight went. His MRI studies showed that the key was that severe calorie restriction lost fat initially in liver and pancreas, which greatly increased effectiveness of endogenous insulin. Effectively resetting the metabolic thermostat at a lower weight.

    800 calories and 8 weeks is the right ball park, but not absolute, but it really works. This isn't a fad, but rather the work of a UK professor of diabetes and now backed by Diabetes UK.

    Roy Taylor deserves the Nobel prize for medicine in my opinion. His work is such an astonishing and brilliant discovery that also could save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives (and save medical services like NHS billions) but it also was a classic medical detective case where he went with the evidence he saw and against his colleagues who doubted him greatly.

    His book, detailing the story is brilliant.

    He would go to conferences and show his thoughts and they all thought he was barking mad.

    His discovery is also very empowering. Not some fancy expensive pharmaceutical, but a straightforward approach available to anyone.

    800 calories for 8 weeks is quite tough though.
    How much has this rolled out through the NHS as best practice? Michael Mosley has popularised it of course but the UK is still very fat.

    Though not as fat as the US where it is kind of weirdly normalised to be quite dangerously obese.
    Diabetes UK (which combines NHS diabetes specialists and patient groups) supports it. Nearly half of type 2 diabetes are in remission after a year, and more than a third still at 2 years.

    https://www.diabetes.org.uk/research/research-round-up/research-spotlight/research-spotlight-low-calorie-liquid-diet#:~:text=Overall, more than a third,taking part in the programme.

    So it’s “supported” but not, perhaps, wholeheartedly recommended.

    Despite the massive costs of obesity / type 2 diabetes.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    edited July 2022
    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    How much running are you doing?
    Do you count wine as carbs? 🤣
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    Back in the day we had the group "Thin Lizzy" now reformed by the Conservatives as "Thick Lizzy"

    Re-records hits :

    "The Tory Boys Are Back In Town" and "Boris Always Pissed From The Whiskey In The Jar."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    You can lose around half a stone in 4 weeks by giving up alcohol.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,690
    boulay said:

    moonshine said:

    Sunak has been really weak on Ukraine and Defence. He needs to come out over the weekend with a POW BOW WHAM joint front page with Ben Wallace running through their spending plans with a massively enhanced defence budget and in particular the support for Ukraine clearly and unambiguously spelled out.

    His wishy washy “I don’t believe in absolute budget targets” makes him look a wet blanket that doesn’t care about national security. Whoever is advising him on that needs to be fired.

    He can’t beat Truss on the issue, because Truss clearly f*kin hates Putin and Lavrov and the feeling is mutual. But he can try harder to nullify her advantage.

    That he still hasn’t realised this goes to show he is not a very clever politician, much like when he thought it ok for the wife of the chancellor to be a non-dom while increasing taxes to their highest level in a human lifetime.

    I don’t have a vote but if I did right now I’d vote for the cyborg ahead of him on this issue alone.


    Out of interest how do you know he’s been weak on Ukraine?

    Was it from an unattributed comment to a journo saying he thought Russia would win so what’s the point?

    Maybe Wallace will let us know but unless I heard otherwise that comment could come from the Boris camp to undermine him.

    Secondly if he did say something like that then before the invasion and in the early days I think most people were sadly thinking Russia would inevitably win so he’s not out of the ordinary there.

    Third, he’s the Chancellor of the Exchequer so his job in cabinet is to manage the country’s finances first and foremost - it’s for other relevant ministers in cabinet to put forward counter arguments based on their ministry’s research and evaluation. Then I assume it’s up to the PM to take all views into consideration and then follow a line based on their advice.

    If it’s not that then what’s the point in having cabinet?

    Anyway, again and I’m totally accepting I might have missed something evidential that he has been weak on Ukraine, why is he seen as weak
    on Ukraine?

    There’s been media smoke yes. But mainly it’s how pathetic he’s come across whenever he’s been asked about defence spending and national security in the last couple of weeks. It’s his soft under belly, his team should be recognising that and fixing it and they’re not. To me it indicates they’re not going to have the smarts to turn around these Truss poll leads in such a short time. Still time to surprise me of course but not much.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    Trump is a comic genius.


    The man is a fascinating mess. If he had no chance of becoming president again he'd he hilarious to follow every day.

    Though IIRC the Kevin Sorbo Hercules was incredibly woke, even though the actor is not.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    Andy_JS said:

    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    You can lose around half a stone in 4 weeks by giving up alcohol.
    Although that does rather depend on your starting intake.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,424
    edited July 2022

    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    How much running are you doing?
    Do you count wine as carbs? 🤣
    Aiming for about 40km a week, plus cycle commute/to girlfriend's/other stuff.


    Haha, I get through plenty of wine and beer! There is a running club in Edinburgh where you do a 5k and then just drink all evening.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707
    edited July 2022
    I'm having a hard time not reading this as "Biden 'Doing great' after economy collapses"

    "The 79 year old is experiencing mild symptoms" is almost the governments manifesto.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    JACK_W said:

    Back in the day we had the group "Thin Lizzy" now reformed by the Conservatives as "Thick Lizzy"

    Re-records hits :

    "The Tory Boys Are Back In Town" and "Boris Always Pissed From The Whiskey In The Jar."

    How about a thick slice of thin Lizzy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    The Italian election will be much more important than the Tory contest.

    In the latest polls, Fratelli d'Italia + Lega + Forza Italia + ItalExit would be around 47-48%, which I guess would be enoughfor a majority. Could lead to some explosive battles with Brussels if the right wins.

    Somewhat surprising that 5 Star didn't support Draghi when they look set to be pummeled.

    Depends what battles you mean.

    My (primitive) read on Italian politics is that an needless churn of populist parties (from left and right) win power running against the technocrats and then spend their time in power realising that no way in hell do the electorate actually want to lose the Euro because it means the destruction of wealth and savings.

    Like the UK, it’s stuck in a gerontocratic-populist death loop.
    Liz Truss could be the PM you've been waiting for.

    https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/975822789759389698

    Every generation wants their own version of #freedom- freedom to shape their own lives. This is about #choice #destiny

    This generation are #Uber-riding #Airbnb-ing #Deliveroo-eating #freedomfighters
    That's definitely going to win the hearts and minds of the under 40s, isn't it?
    She's bonkers.
    Doesn't need to win their hearts of minds. So long as she doesn't lose too many of the 35+ she'll be fine.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Sunak was right about the lockdown.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    How much running are you doing?
    Do you count wine as carbs? 🤣
    Aiming for about 40km a week, plus cycle commute/to girlfriend's/other stuff.


    Haha, I get through plenty of wine and beer! There is a running club in Edinburgh where you do a 5k and then just drink all evening.
    Ok, great. I’m finding it very hard to keep my running up in 25 degrees (typical 6 or 7am temperature). I like a bit of a chill to run.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,364
    Dr Fox,

    Very interesting. It's reminiscent of the 2 Aussies who worked on H.pylori. I know my sister-in-law lost a shedload of weight and went into remission from type 2 almost immediately.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    Sunak was right about the lockdown.

    Eh? No he wasn’t.
    And I say this as a lockdown hater par excellence.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    I think most people thought that Truss would win fairly comfortably if she made it to the final stage.

    And there wasn't enough slack in the MP votes to safely prevent that.

    The only thing that stops her now is a bloody good story in the Sunday Times.

    Over to you, Shippers.
    Sunak almost got to odds on in this process, that was insane and i regret not piling on laying him sooner
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    I take it that photo is part of her Irish Policy?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Andy_JS said:

    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    You can lose around half a stone in 4 weeks by giving up alcohol.
    Although that does rather depend on your starting intake.
    I have read, dunno if true, that you don't store alcohol as fat. So if you eat and drink a lot you burn the alcohol as fuel and store the food as fat. This makes sense in that rich drunks are very fat and poor drunks are very thin.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I think I've got a photo of myself wearing that same helmet. I hope she'll wash her hair afterwards... ;)
    Why? Do you have nits?
    That was the joke, yes. I could easily have said: "I hope the next person to use it washes their hair well afterwards," if I wanted to make the joke about Truss.

    BTW, that little museum is quite good if anyone is ever in Ely, and it's just round the corner from the cathedral.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    I think most people thought that Truss would win fairly comfortably if she made it to the final stage.

    And there wasn't enough slack in the MP votes to safely prevent that.

    The only thing that stops her now is a bloody good story in the Sunday Times.

    Over to you, Shippers.
    There is bound to be something.

    Even if it isn't enough to stop her winning I reckon there will be an early August Surprise.

    Whereas for Sunak it will just be stuff about his wealth.

    Which I just don't get - Johnson is very wealthy by any measure of the reality of income and capital in UK. Very, very wealthy and soon to be considerably more wealthy.

    It's because there doesn't seem to be anything to Sunak but his wealth. He was popular for a while for being slick and doling out cash, but when your popularity dips - thanks to briefing by Boris, the taps turning off, the economy, and now knifing Boris - the slickness looks like being oily.

    Like most senior politicians he tries to avoid expressing opinions and was in high office so quickly he has no reputation for any view or stance, so he's just that super rich, well presented guy. And his tantrum about people asking about his wife's arrangements did not help, it makes him look entitled and lightweight.

    I'd prefer him to Truss, but I can't really blame that the party don't seem to think he has any substance - he's never shown it before, and his opening to this campaign seems pretty weaksauce too.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Sunak was right about the lockdown.

    Eh? No he wasn’t.
    And I say this as a lockdown hater par excellence.
    He says he blocked the Jan 2022 lockdown and that would have been a mistake.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798
    JACK_W said:

    Back in the day we had the group "Thin Lizzy" now reformed by the Conservatives as "Thick Lizzy"

    Re-records hits :

    "The Tory Boys Are Back In Town" and "Boris Always Pissed From The Whiskey In The Jar."

    Bad Reputation but vote for us anyway.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    O/T

    "Manipulated’ Alzheimer’s data may have misled research for 16 years
    Scandal surrounds 2006 article, keystone of recent dementia work, that critics say is based on ‘shockingly blatant’ evidence tampering
    Sarah Knapton" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/21/manipulated-alzheimers-data-may-have-misled-research-16-years/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I think I've got a photo of myself wearing that same helmet. I hope she'll wash her hair afterwards... ;)
    Why? Do you have nits?
    That was the joke, yes. I could easily have said: "I hope the next person to use it washes their hair well afterwards," if I wanted to make the joke about Truss.

    BTW, that little museum is quite good if anyone is ever in Ely, and it's just round the corner from the cathedral.
    Maybe things have calmed down enough in this country that they can reveal his final resting place properly.

    Though this plaque must really confuse people who do not know the history


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Andy_JS said:

    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    You can lose around half a stone in 4 weeks by giving up alcohol.
    Indeed. I have found the hard way that if you wish to lose weight then the alcohol has to go.

    Prof Taylor calls it "liquid toast"

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Andy_JS said:

    It's going to be Liz Truss and it's not even going to be close is it.

    I think the poster upthread got it spot on with centrist-pundit brain-itis.

    The more public events there are, the closer Rishi will get, because he's a far better public speaker.
    The TV debates on 25th July and 4th August are a risk for her.

    The numbers that will attend the twelve hustings are tiny and will probably be <2% of the membership.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    edited July 2022

    Sunak was right about the lockdown.

    Eh? No he wasn’t.
    And I say this as a lockdown hater par excellence.
    He says he blocked the Jan 2022 lockdown and that would have been a mistake.
    My memories of the successive lockdowns are fading as it was a period of sheer awfulness that I don’t want to revisit.

    OK, then, he was “right” about Jan 22, if he says so. The problem is he was deeply wrong in 2020, by accounts.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,729

    Bring back Boris, all is forgiven.

    (Not really, but blimey, the only optimistic thing I can see is that Liz Truss could suprise on the upside).

    Mmm. Eerily reminiscent of 2001 when the bampot wing of the parliamentary party managed to push IDS through to the members' round in a three way competition against two much better qualified alternatives (Portillo being the loser). To be fair, Rishi looks better placed than Ken Clarke who never had a chance due to his Europhilia, but the baggage associated with defenestrating Boris - which he should get great credit for - may prove enough to be his undoing. It's extraordinary how something which is so obviously a terrible idea - Truss as PM - looks like it will happen regardless.
  • Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "Manipulated’ Alzheimer’s data may have misled research for 16 years
    Scandal surrounds 2006 article, keystone of recent dementia work, that critics say is based on ‘shockingly blatant’ evidence tampering
    Sarah Knapton" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/21/manipulated-alzheimers-data-may-have-misled-research-16-years/

    That's pretty dreadful if true.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    Sunak was right about the lockdown.

    Eh? No he wasn’t.
    And I say this as a lockdown hater par excellence.
    He says he blocked the Jan 2022 lockdown and that would have been a mistake.
    My memories of the successive lockdowns are fading as it was a period of sheer awfulness that I don’t want to revisit.

    OK, then, he was “right” about Jan 22, if he says so. The problem is he was deeply wrong in 2020, by accounts.
    The problem for him is will he get gratitude for a decision which the target audience may well simply have expected of such a person in such a position.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    Liz Truss bids for support from @TheScreamingEagles

    image

    I think I've got a photo of myself wearing that same helmet. I hope she'll wash her hair afterwards... ;)
    Why? Do you have nits?
    That was the joke, yes. I could easily have said: "I hope the next person to use it washes their hair well afterwards," if I wanted to make the joke about Truss.

    BTW, that little museum is quite good if anyone is ever in Ely, and it's just round the corner from the cathedral.
    Maybe things have calmed down enough in this country that they can reveal his final resting place properly.

    Though this plaque must really confuse people who do not know the history


    I was amused to find that Cromwell's hapless son was buried in a small village near Romsey in Southampton. I'd have thought they'd have killed him off.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss backs privately funded royal yacht

    "I do support the idea of promoting our trade around the world. What I would be seeking is to get investment into a yacht, looking to the private sector to assist with that to make it financially viable”

    Victory for @christopherhope

    I wonder whether the Monarch will have to finish off each speech with "sponsored by....." and be required to do product placement like a James Bond movie? King Charles will turn to the camera and say "Not your Royal Yacht Lizzy, but Your M&S Royal Yacht Lizzy."
    Why stop at the yacht ?
    There are dozens of royal properties whose naming rights could be sold.
    The Saudi Aramco royal residence, etc.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss backs privately funded royal yacht

    "I do support the idea of promoting our trade around the world. What I would be seeking is to get investment into a yacht, looking to the private sector to assist with that to make it financially viable”

    Victory for @christopherhope

    I wonder whether the Monarch will have to finish off each speech with "sponsored by....." and be required to do product placement like a James Bond movie? King Charles will turn to the camera and say "Not your Royal Yacht Lizzy, but Your M&S Royal Yacht Lizzy."
    Why stop at the yacht ?
    There are dozens of royal properties whose naming rights could be sold.
    The Saudi Aramco royal residence, etc.
    An arrangement with Burger King would seem to be the obvious choice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    This is the Rishi story...it feels very much like poking the bear. Last time he did that, his wife's tax affairs mysteriously got splashed all over the papers.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62259107

    It feels like one of those things just asking for trouble....I am sure Boris has got a tale or two to tell about how Rishi in regards Lockdowns.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,800

    Andy_JS said:

    Eabhal said:

    For anyone doing the fasting thing - it does work (I lost 18kg/40lbs doing it a few years ago) but don't get excited by the first week or so - that can just be water coming off.

    I'm now on the eat loads/exercise loads diet, and feel amazing. My mental health correlates with huge amounts of carbs + running.

    You can lose around half a stone in 4 weeks by giving up alcohol.
    Indeed. I have found the hard way that if you wish to lose weight then the alcohol has to go.

    Prof Taylor calls it "liquid toast"

    It's fairly boring but exercising more and reducing sugar, salt and alcohol intake alongside eating more veg, oily fish and lean meat makes for general health improvement.

    I think sleeping is very important - not so much masterly inactivity in general but actual proper sleep.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    Awful attack job on Rishi on C4 news.

    Even going into some support his parents provided to get his first property
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,200
    Hopefully someone will ask Truss what she plans to do with social care after she reverses the NI rise .

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,455
    edited July 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Awful attack job on Rishi on C4 news.

    Even going into some support his parents provided to get his first property

    Asian families supporting their offspring to get on the property ladder...totally unheard of.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    HYUFD said:

    Truss cuts Starmer's lead as preferred PM over her to 5%, 39% to 34%

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1550156191619235843?s=20&t=f37hitfRgvk8yj8YRPXQPg

    I can see you are now buying into her s""". The King is dead, long live the Queen.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    This is the Rishi story...it feels very much like poking the bear. Last time he did that, his wife's tax affairs mysteriously got splashed all over the papers.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62259107

    It feels like one of those things just asking for trouble....I am sure Boris has got a tale or two to tell about how Rishi in regards Lockdowns.

    OMG, he wants to bring in his non-itineried USA trip into this.

    How much of a fucking fool is this guy?

    We are going to get the full deets on September 2020 now. Plus his 2021 holiday.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    edited July 2022

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Liz Truss backs privately funded royal yacht

    "I do support the idea of promoting our trade around the world. What I would be seeking is to get investment into a yacht, looking to the private sector to assist with that to make it financially viable”

    Victory for @christopherhope

    I wonder whether the Monarch will have to finish off each speech with "sponsored by....." and be required to do product placement like a James Bond movie? King Charles will turn to the camera and say "Not your Royal Yacht Lizzy, but Your M&S Royal Yacht Lizzy."
    The late Duke of Edinburgh was a second world war sailor. Since his death, is there any great naval tradition in the Royal Family? Prince Andrew, perhaps, but he is sidelined. The younger Royals will not even remember the Britannia. This might be an idea whose time has passed.

    There again, what will happen to all the confiscated oligarchs' yachts?
    The Prince of Wales served for five or six years in the Navy and ended up commanding a Mine Hunter, if I recall.
    He flew helicopters, IIRC, off HMS Hermes?
    Contemporary joke

    Doctor, doctor, help, I've got Hermes

    - surely you mean herpes?

    - No, I'm a carrier.
    That joke is impressive, but does not really show Enterprise.
    Your wit is sometimes Excellent.
    I would personally have said it was Invincible.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    HYUFD said:

    Awful attack job on Rishi on C4 news.

    Even going into some support his parents provided to get his first property

    Asian families supporting their offspring to get on the property ladder...totally unheard of.
    Absolutely.

    It's not like Asian heritage people have this utterly fanatical belief that you have failed in life if you haven't made sure your kids have better than you.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,360
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    Bring back Boris, all is forgiven.

    (Not really, but blimey, the only optimistic thing I can see is that Liz Truss could suprise on the upside).

    Just to help you visualise - this is Liz surprised.


    Really? Are you sure that it's not some other emotion?
    I'd like a panned out shot so we can see what she is sitting on
    Surely, who?
    That is an utterly terrible thing to say about one of the candidates for the highest office in the land.

    WHOM she is sitting on.
    But ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which we shall not put.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    dixiedean said:

    I take it that photo is part of her Irish Policy?

    Not her I Rishi policy, anyway.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    "Manipulated’ Alzheimer’s data may have misled research for 16 years
    Scandal surrounds 2006 article, keystone of recent dementia work, that critics say is based on ‘shockingly blatant’ evidence tampering
    Sarah Knapton" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/21/manipulated-alzheimers-data-may-have-misled-research-16-years/

    That's pretty dreadful if true.
    More on this, without a paywall.

    https://www.science.org/content/article/potential-fabrication-research-images-threatens-key-theory-alzheimers-disease
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    nico679 said:

    Hopefully someone will ask Truss what she plans to do with social care after she reverses the NI rise .

    She'll 'come up with a plan'. That seems to have carried the day up to this point.
    HYUFD said:

    Awful attack job on Rishi on C4 news.

    Even going into some support his parents provided to get his first property

    That's remarkably lame - wouldn't most parents if they were in a position to do so? (Mine very much were not).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    Nigelb said:
    That is brilliant.

    I love typos that I haven't made.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Nigelb said:
    I think it's fair to say that's a great cock-up.
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