My gut feeling: Mordaunt or Kemi have quite a good chance of winning the next election. Sunak and Javid smaller chance but not vanishingly small. Truss, Shapps and some of the others would be a disaster (for the Tories).
My wild guess, FWIW, is that Mordaunt would be most likely to save the Tories.
And I gather Labour whispers are that they are the one they fear most.
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I think my issue with Kemi is that these are not the issues most critical to the country.
It's a Conservative leadership election.
No shit.
You’re a conservative, with a vote in the election. Do *you* think those are the most important issues? If not, why might other conservatives think so, such that Kemi is reduced to peddling over-ripe meat to them?
I think the tories fear the cultural power of the left. They saw Boris as pathetic in the face of BLM, the trashing of the Centophah, statue toppling etc. Badenoch offers the possibility of the reinvention and modernisation of the party, a credible alternative to the vision offered by the left. They think that, with Badenoch at the helm, they cannot be just be smeared and dismissed as the party of white male privelege.
Badenoch could blow Woke apart right across the Western world.
I think she wins the members if it's down to her and Mordaunt.
You could be right if it’s those two.
Indeed. It would be a catastrophe for the Tories at the following GE though.
Why do you think Badenoch would be a catastrophe in the GE?
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
But I think Mo Farah has won this evening's PB competition.
That's a good story. I didn't know you were from the Western Isles @Eabhal. Which one? I've only been to the Hebrides once. I was 17, and it was my last holiday with my parents. I'm an only child, and family holidays had gone a bit meh through my teenage years. The Hebrides though, was a totally different kettle of fish. There was very little to do, and the weather was challenging, but that somehow made everything we did wildly interesting and hugely amusing. I have glorious, happy memories of it: eating fish and chips on the harbour at Stornoway watching the seals; playing frisbee in a 30 mph wind on a beach on the west coast of Lewis; the astonishig bleakness of Callanish under leaden skies; the improbable beauty of Harris when the sun shone; peat fires; cottages sprinkled randomly on the landscape; something ceaselessly hilarious in the pub in Lochmaddy in the driving rain; golf at the RAF base on Benbecula; listening to Motorhead on my walkman in the B&B on Grimsay; glorious sunshine at the pub in Lochboisdale; arriving in Castlebay at breakfast time; seeing the plane land on the beach at Barra (which my Dad had always wanted to see - the reason for the holiday); walking to the top of Barra and the improbable sprinkling of islands from the top; sailing down the sound of Mull amongst a regatta of small yachts under a picture postcard sky; arriving back in Oban and it feeling wildly bewildering to be around so many people. And board games, conversation no longer stilted with the awkwardness of the teenage years, the 1992 Olympics on the radio with Terry Wogan, seeing the same tourists again and again and again. Weather changing every half hour. The weirdness of being somewhere so other yet still in the UK. Kind of a valediction to childhood. But a happy one. And more memorable than the previous seven years of holidays put together.
I wouldn't say I'm from them, but I did live there for a time (Eabhal is a hill on North Uist). Was back recently:
A big thing that seems to be missing from Starmer I will tax the posho schools and all the Tory candidates willy waving over tax cuts, tackling crime.....especially things like knife crime and low level stuff e.g. reports today that things like car break-ins just don't ever get any plod time.
I remember when any potential leader / PM had to make a big play over getting tough on crime as a central plank over their offer.
I must have a mental block, can't see why Truss is a front runner. Perhaps I should do more research and look at her speeches on YouTube etc. Genuinely puzzled.
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
Just shown my ten year old daughter the list of candidate pictures, without context, and told that one will be the next PM, and which does she prefer? Her answer: Kemi.
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Couldn't give a toss what her gender or ethnicity is, she has no ideas other than attacking wokeism, get rid
I once sat next to Ken Clarke in a birdwatching hide at Rutland Water.
Apols to those who have read this before.
Goodnight from the Travelodge!
I once went to a wildlife reserve in the middle of nowhere, Gabon (near the flat-pack Eiffel church). Ken had been there the week before. Bono the week before that.
I bumped into, literally, John Bramwell, the lead singer of the criminally underrated band I Am Kloot, in the corridor of a hotel in Holmfirth.
Boy, were they criminally underated.
Top band.
Top front mn.
I have a photo of my good self with him as he shakes my hand and passes me a signed LP after one of his solo outings.
Nice! They were a fantastic band. Terrible name though, can’t have helped.
I got a photo with him, and me and the missus had a pint with him, after the gig we’d gone to Holmfirth to see. It was earlier that day, when we were checking into the hotel, that I bumped into him.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
I once sat next to Ken Clarke in a birdwatching hide at Rutland Water.
Apols to those who have read this before.
Goodnight from the Travelodge!
I once went to a wildlife reserve in the middle of nowhere, Gabon (near the flat-pack Eiffel church). Ken had been there the week before. Bono the week before that.
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
Braverman also laying into part time workers getting benefits on top
What's Sue-Ellen's problem with this?
Part time work is better than no work and will presumably often help get people into full time work?
This must be her solution to the cost of living crisis. Cut benefits. Force people in to starvation and poverty.
The madness here is that Boris Johnson had a winning strategy that facilitated a political reallignment. He couldn't see it through because of his personal flaws, but there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the strategy - it was successful, whereas the Cameron/Osborne austerity years were ultimately a failure.
The tories seem to be reverting to their prejudicies , beliefs and instincts ; which are about a decade out of date.
Yep. A competent, hardworking Boris could have ruled for a decade. And an honest one would have done loads of good too.
There can not have been a more tragic figure since Shakespeare was writing.
Completely brought down by his own character flaws and yet could have strode the stage for at least decade.
Shakespeare had more sense than to try make Falstaff king.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
To me, Rishi, Javid and Zahawi are all too dodgy to be PM, and to be frank CoE either.
Hopefully they are all cleaned out by the next election PM.
I notice that nobody has been asked yet about standards in public life.
Of the rest, Patel and Braverman seem to me actually dangerous; Shapps is gregarious but likely a spiv; and Hunt is triangulating so fast he has speed-burns.
I would not be personally distressed by Mordaunt, Badenoch and Tugendhat. Indeed, it would show the system “working”.
I think all that is exactly where I am right now. Though I would still say I'd be happier with Sunak or Javid than any of the candidates in 2019 or 2016; and Hunt or Shapps than any of the candidates in 2016. So I remain cheerful.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 9m Replying to @oflynnsocial and @MRothermere This is getting silly. If you don’t think advising the chief of the defence staff and being chair of the foreign affairs select committee is political experience I can’t help you. And if you think Kemi should be PM, facing down Putin next month, fine. It’s not a rational debate.
Just shown my ten year old daughter the list of candidate pictures, without context, and told that one will be the next PM, and which does she prefer? Her answer: Kemi.
Was Penny Mordaunt second?
No - I asked for second place, thinking she might be some weird seer, but she went first for Rehman Christi, then Jermey Hunt, before landing on Rishi for second.
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Ha ha. I see how you are twisting that. The fact that we have such a wonderfully diverse range of gender, religion and race to be PM is a reason to be superbly proud to be British. None of that is a bar at all. The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced is.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 9m Replying to @oflynnsocial and @MRothermere This is getting silly. If you don’t think advising the chief of the defence staff and being chair of the foreign affairs select committee is political experience I can’t help you. And if you think Kemi should be PM, facing down Putin next month, fine. It’s not a rational debate.
Dan Hodges getting overexcited as usual.
I see from his twitter feed that he is currently obsessed with SKS's tax returns.
I once sat next to Ken Clarke in a birdwatching hide at Rutland Water.
Apols to those who have read this before.
Goodnight from the Travelodge!
I once went to a wildlife reserve in the middle of nowhere, Gabon (near the flat-pack Eiffel church). Ken had been there the week before. Bono the week before that.
I once sat next to Ken Clarke in a birdwatching hide at Rutland Water.
Apols to those who have read this before.
Goodnight from the Travelodge!
I once went to a wildlife reserve in the middle of nowhere, Gabon (near the flat-pack Eiffel church). Ken had been there the week before. Bono the week before that.
Bono is a bird watcher?
It was a very good place to get away from the outside world. Maybe that was it.
When I stayed in the Hotel San Michele in Fiesoli outside Florence, you were asked on checking in "Are you 'ere? Or are you not 'ere?" You got the impression Hitler and Stalin could have taken a break there and never been aware of the others presence...
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Ha ha. I see how you are twisting that. The fact that we have such a wonderfully diverse range of gender, religion and race to be PM is a reason to be superbly proud to be British. None of that is a bar at all. The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced does.
The irony of course is that the liberal society we have has been fought for long and hard by the left and opposed by the Tories at every step.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
Braverman also laying into part time workers getting benefits on top
At this moment the idea you would promote such a policy is utterly bizarre but fortunately she will not get through
Yes, she would be a gift for Labour.
Morduant being unusual in not coming out with completely hatstand ideas. She would be a real threat to Labour.
FFS.
She is yet another politician whose name highly educated PBers fail to spell.
It's a problem. How do you pronounce it? I had always read it - and therefore pronounced it - as more-dew-ant. But evidently it's not. Is it Mord-ant? More-dunt? Mord-aren't? I honestly don't know.
How do you pronounce mor?
How do you pronounce daunt?
Problem solved.
Is that right? More - dor - nt?
That's slightly annoying. It's a surname that's not much fun to say.
I once sat next to Ken Clarke in a birdwatching hide at Rutland Water.
Apols to those who have read this before.
Goodnight from the Travelodge!
I once went to a wildlife reserve in the middle of nowhere, Gabon (near the flat-pack Eiffel church). Ken had been there the week before. Bono the week before that.
Bono is a bird watcher?
But he still hasn’t found what he’s looking for.
It was certainly a place where the streets have no name.
I think the tories fear the cultural power of the left. They saw Boris as pathetic in the face of BLM, the trashing of the Centophah, statue toppling etc. Badenoch offers the possibility of the reinvention and modernisation of the party, a credible alternative to the vision offered by the left. They think that, with Badenoch at the helm, they cannot be just be smeared and dismissed as the party of white male privelege.
Badenoch could blow Woke apart right across the Western world.
I think she wins the members if it's down to her and Mordaunt.
You could be right if it’s those two.
Indeed. It would be a catastrophe for the Tories at the following GE though.
Why do you think Badenoch would be a catastrophe in the GE?
Too right wing on both economic and social issues.
I think the tories fear the cultural power of the left. They saw Boris as pathetic in the face of BLM, the trashing of the Centophah, statue toppling etc. Badenoch offers the possibility of the reinvention and modernisation of the party, a credible alternative to the vision offered by the left. They think that, with Badenoch at the helm, they cannot be just be smeared and dismissed as the party of white male privelege.
Badenoch could blow Woke apart right across the Western world.
I think she wins the members if it's down to her and Mordaunt.
My Dad's second racehorse, and first flat horse, was like the first one as part of a small syndicate. It was a two year old grey filly trained by Mikey Heaton-Ellis. He was an ex-jockey who'd had a bad fall and become paraplegic, but still become a racehorse trainer.
She seemed quite good and her first race was at a decent level 2yo race at Kempton, and Mikey had arranged for a young Italian amateur to ride her. One Lanfranco Dettori, who was still claiming three or five pounds at the time.
On the canter on the way down to the starting gate he failed to avoid a bit of the railing that had been left sticking out, and rode the filly's chest into it. She got surrounded by the green screens and we thought she was done for. She survived it, had huge vet bills, then came fifth in a sales/claiming race and got sold for a grand and a half.
I know it was really Kempton's fault, but I've never forgiven Frankie
But I think Mo Farah has won this evening's PB competition.
That's a good story. I didn't know you were from the Western Isles @Eabhal. Which one? I've only been to the Hebrides once. I was 17, and it was my last holiday with my parents. I'm an only child, and family holidays had gone a bit meh through my teenage years. The Hebrides though, was a totally different kettle of fish. There was very little to do, and the weather was challenging, but that somehow made everything we did wildly interesting and hugely amusing. I have glorious, happy memories of it: eating fish and chips on the harbour at Stornoway watching the seals; playing frisbee in a 30 mph wind on a beach on the west coast of Lewis; the astonishig bleakness of Callanish under leaden skies; the improbable beauty of Harris when the sun shone; peat fires; cottages sprinkled randomly on the landscape; something ceaselessly hilarious in the pub in Lochmaddy in the driving rain; golf at the RAF base on Benbecula; listening to Motorhead on my walkman in the B&B on Grimsay; glorious sunshine at the pub in Lochboisdale; arriving in Castlebay at breakfast time; seeing the plane land on the beach at Barra (which my Dad had always wanted to see - the reason for the holiday); walking to the top of Barra and the improbable sprinkling of islands from the top; sailing down the sound of Mull amongst a regatta of small yachts under a picture postcard sky; arriving back in Oban and it feeling wildly bewildering to be around so many people. And board games, conversation no longer stilted with the awkwardness of the teenage years, the 1992 Olympics on the radio with Terry Wogan, seeing the same tourists again and again and again. Weather changing every half hour. The weirdness of being somewhere so other yet still in the UK. Kind of a valediction to childhood. But a happy one. And more memorable than the previous seven years of holidays put together.
Good post; brings back similar memories of my own.
It is amazing how the internet has affected these remote places. You can see them on streetview, people have filmed everything and it is all uploaded to youtube. The character is different, it is not 'remote' in the same way, the experience is primarily a landscape.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
Braverman also laying into part time workers getting benefits on top
At this moment the idea you would promote such a policy is utterly bizarre but fortunately she will not get through
Yes, she would be a gift for Labour.
Morduant being unusual in not coming out with completely hatstand ideas. She would be a real threat to Labour.
FFS.
She is yet another politician whose name highly educated PBers fail to spell.
It's a problem. How do you pronounce it? I had always read it - and therefore pronounced it - as more-dew-ant. But evidently it's not. Is it Mord-ant? More-dunt? Mord-aren't? I honestly don't know.
How do you pronounce mor?
How do you pronounce daunt?
Problem solved.
Is that right? More - dor - nt?
That's slightly annoying. It's a surname that's not much fun to say.
I assume Mordant with the stress on the first syllable.
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Ha ha. I see how you are twisting that. The fact that we have such a wonderfully diverse range of gender, religion and race to be PM is a reason to be superbly proud to be British. None of that is a bar at all. The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced does.
The irony of course is that the liberal society we have has been fought for long and hard by the left and opposed by the Tories at every step.
Well why on earth would a conservative party fight for a liberal society? Plenty of Conservatives are non white, female and not liberals too. There are some economic and social liberals within the Conservative party but it is still a conservative not liberal party
Though of course not all leftwingers are socially liberal either. Plenty of those who are economic socialists are also relative social conservatives, indeed a number of them live in the redwall
I think the tories fear the cultural power of the left. They saw Boris as pathetic in the face of BLM, the trashing of the Centophah, statue toppling etc. Badenoch offers the possibility of the reinvention and modernisation of the party, a credible alternative to the vision offered by the left. They think that, with Badenoch at the helm, they cannot be just be smeared and dismissed as the party of white male privelege.
Badenoch could blow Woke apart right across the Western world.
I think she wins the members if it's down to her and Mordaunt.
You could be right if it’s those two.
Indeed. It would be a catastrophe for the Tories at the following GE though.
Why do you think Badenoch would be a catastrophe in the GE?
Too right wing on both economic and social issues.
"Badenoch could blow Woke apart right across the Western world."
It wouldn't matter.
The economics are so utterly dire. So off the scale shit for ordinary voters in next two years that the Ragin' Cajun's mantra about 'it's the economy stoopid' is gonna be here in spades.
Any pol who wastes people's time with trivia about what some humanities courses are teaching in seminars in Exeter compared to the shit storm coming is dead in the electoral water.
Lab would be advised to put Reeves front of everything they do now and relentlessly talk about inflation and growth.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
Braverman also laying into part time workers getting benefits on top
At this moment the idea you would promote such a policy is utterly bizarre but fortunately she will not get through
Yes, she would be a gift for Labour.
Morduant being unusual in not coming out with completely hatstand ideas. She would be a real threat to Labour.
FFS.
She is yet another politician whose name highly educated PBers fail to spell.
It's a problem. How do you pronounce it? I had always read it - and therefore pronounced it - as more-dew-ant. But evidently it's not. Is it Mord-ant? More-dunt? Mord-aren't? I honestly don't know.
How do you pronounce mor?
How do you pronounce daunt?
Problem solved.
Is that right? More - dor - nt?
That's slightly annoying. It's a surname that's not much fun to say.
I assume Mordant with the stress on the first syllable.
Well I'd hoped so. I don't, in general, like names which don't have the stress on the first syllable. I don't hold it against any of you which have such names, of course. But they're just not as pleasant for an English speaker to say. They don't feel right in the mouth.
I bumped into, literally, John Bramwell, the lead singer of the criminally underrated band I Am Kloot, in the corridor of a hotel in Holmfirth.
Boy, were they criminally underated.
Top band.
Top front mn.
I have a photo of my good self with him as he shakes my hand and passes me a signed LP after one of his solo outings.
Nice! They were a fantastic band. Terrible name though, can’t have helped.
I got a photo with him, and me and the missus had a pint with him, after the gig we’d gone to Holmfirth to see. It was earlier that day, when we were checking into the hotel, that I bumped into him.
Favourite track?
Northern Skies for me.
Then Proof.
Life in a Day
Solo: Leave Alone the Empty Spaces
Good choices.
I dunno personally, hard to decide! All their albums, there are no clunkers, there are fantastic tracks on every one.
Probably something off Let It All In, maybe Bullets. I love the opening line. Northern Skies is good too. And To The Brink. Sky at Night is an astonishingly good album. Every album they did is very good, IMHO.
There’ll be stuff tucked away on other albums that’ll become my favourite when I hear them, if you get what I mean.
He’s always playing solo gigs, I saw him before Covid at the Brudenell in Leeds. See him if you can, it’s a great, intimate experience.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 9m Replying to @oflynnsocial and @MRothermere This is getting silly. If you don’t think advising the chief of the defence staff and being chair of the foreign affairs select committee is political experience I can’t help you. And if you think Kemi should be PM, facing down Putin next month, fine. It’s not a rational debate.
Dan Hodges getting overexcited as usual.
Though showed admirable self awareness acknowledging he want being rational.
I bumped into, literally, John Bramwell, the lead singer of the criminally underrated band I Am Kloot, in the corridor of a hotel in Holmfirth.
Boy, were they criminally underated.
Top band.
Top front mn.
I have a photo of my good self with him as he shakes my hand and passes me a signed LP after one of his solo outings.
Nice! They were a fantastic band. Terrible name though, can’t have helped.
I got a photo with him, and me and the missus had a pint with him, after the gig we’d gone to Holmfirth to see. It was earlier that day, when we were checking into the hotel, that I bumped into him.
Favourite track?
Northern Skies for me.
Then Proof.
Life in a Day
Solo: Leave Alone the Empty Spaces
Good choices.
I dunno personally, hard to decide! All their albums, there are no clunkers, there are fantastic tracks on every one.
Probably something off Let It All In, maybe Bullets. I love the opening line. Northern Skies is good too. And To The Brink. Sky at Night is an astonishingly good album. Every album they did is very good, IMHO.
There’ll be stuff tucked away on other albums that’ll become my favourite when I hear them, if you get what I mean.
He’s always playing solo gigs, I saw him before Covid at the Brudenell in Leeds. See him if you can, it’s a great, intimate experience.
"Time it moves so fast, and now there does not seem to be any, When once it seemed that there was more than plenty, I do believe that something somewhere sent me, To you, Astray, And the bald raging flame of your heart, is making me stay"
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
Senior officials held a crisis Cobra meeting inside Downing Street on Monday, as forecasters predicted that the record for Britain's hottest day could be broken at the weekend – potentially smashing through the 104F (40C) barrier for the first time.
Why do the media put things in Fahrenheit, nobody under the age of 50 understands it
9m Replying to @oflynnsocial and @MRothermere This is getting silly. If you don’t think advising the chief of the defence staff and being chair of the foreign affairs select committee is political experience I can’t help you. And if you think Kemi should be PM, facing down Putin next month, fine. It’s not a rational debate.
Presumably Dan also thinks that Zelensky is unqualified to 'face down' Putin.
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Ha ha. I see how you are twisting that. The fact that we have such a wonderfully diverse range of gender, religion and race to be PM is a reason to be superbly proud to be British. None of that is a bar at all. The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced does.
The irony of course is that the liberal society we have has been fought for long and hard by the left and opposed by the Tories at every step.
Well why on earth would a conservative party fight for a liberal society? Plenty of Conservatives are non white, female and not liberals too. There are some economic and social liberals within the Conservative party but it is still a conservative not liberal party
Though of course not all leftwingers are socially liberal either. Plenty of those who are economic socialists are also relative social conservatives, indeed a number of them live in the redwall
It doesn't really matter what the Tories do or think - liberal values win in the long-term anyway...
Equal rights for women? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Legalisation of homosexuality? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Gay marriage? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Disability rights? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Anti-race discrimination? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
Sir John Hayes, chairman of the Common Sense Group of Conservative MPs, said: "This is not a brave new world but a cowardly new world where we live in a country where we are frightened of the heat. It is not surprising that in snowflake Britain, the snowflakes are melting. Thankfully, most of us are not snowflakes.
"The idea that we clamour for hot weather for most of the year and then shut down when it does heat up is indicative of the state in which we now live."
Ok so sensible cabinet: PM; Tom Tugenhadt, Chancellor; ;Gove, FS Julian Smith, Home Sec: Sajid Javid Health: Liz Truss, Education; Mark Harper, Business Energy: Jeremy Hunt Defence; Ben Wallace Levelling Up; Aaron Bell Trade: Penny Mordaunt Leader of House; Mel Stride DWP Nadhim Zahawi Justice: Jeremy Wright Defra; Kemi Badenoch
I think it would be great to have a black woman PM in the UK but Badenoch isn’t the right person for this .
Not sure why she’s suddenly become flavour of the month .
‘Cos she’s a swivel-eyed frothing right-winger. And because she happens to be black the right can piously congratulate themselves on how inclusive and modern they are.
Doesn’t change the fact she’s as reactionary as they come. It may even help to disguise how right-wing she is. The focus will be on her ethnicity rather than on the fact that she’s quite mad, politically speaking.
I bumped into, literally, John Bramwell, the lead singer of the criminally underrated band I Am Kloot, in the corridor of a hotel in Holmfirth.
Boy, were they criminally underated.
Top band.
Top front mn.
I have a photo of my good self with him as he shakes my hand and passes me a signed LP after one of his solo outings.
Nice! They were a fantastic band. Terrible name though, can’t have helped.
I got a photo with him, and me and the missus had a pint with him, after the gig we’d gone to Holmfirth to see. It was earlier that day, when we were checking into the hotel, that I bumped into him.
Favourite track?
Northern Skies for me.
Then Proof.
Life in a Day
Solo: Leave Alone the Empty Spaces
Good choices.
I dunno personally, hard to decide! All their albums, there are no clunkers, there are fantastic tracks on every one.
Probably something off Let It All In, maybe Bullets. I love the opening line. Northern Skies is good too. And To The Brink. Sky at Night is an astonishingly good album. Every album they did is very good, IMHO.
There’ll be stuff tucked away on other albums that’ll become my favourite when I hear them, if you get what I mean.
He’s always playing solo gigs, I saw him before Covid at the Brudenell in Leeds. See him if you can, it’s a great, intimate experience.
"Time it moves so fast, and now there does not seem to be any, When once it seemed that there was more than plenty, I do believe that something somewhere sent me, To you, Astray, And the bald raging flame of your heart, is making me stay"
Sky at Night is the best overall LP.
They so deserved more success and fame. But maybe just being working musicians who earned a crust doing what they love is enough.
Not every one can be the Rolling Stones.
The worry is that the smaller venues that these kinds of guys play in are disappearing faster than a TSE Stepmoms dress.
I just saw a clip of Braverman moaning about people on welfare. It didn't look very "prime ministerial".
She’s now found a fantasy problem to throw some red meat to the Tory membership . I find her utterly loathsome .
She appears to be quite an appalling human being.
She works from gut instinct and is not afraid to reveal her prejudices, a little bit like Priti Patel. Badenoch seems to be altogether a bit wiser and smarter.
"Braverman to look at cutting welfare Leadership hopeful Suella Braverman says there are "too many people" on benefits and plans to reduce the cost of the welfare state if she becomes prime minister."
I danced on stage with Kool and the Gang to Celebration in Miami
The band was about fifteen people, and there were about twenty other fans on the stage. Other than a maybe hispanic looking guy on the trumpet, I was the only white person on the stage. I'm pretty sure that I was easily the worst dancer
Ok so sensible cabinet: PM; Tom Tugenhadt, Chancellor; ;Gove, FS Julian Smith, Home Sec: Sajid Javid Health: Liz Truss, Education; Mark Harper, Business Energy: Jeremy Hunt Defence; Ben Wallace Levelling Up; Aaron Bell Trade: Penny Mordaunt Leader of House; Mel Stride DWP Nadhim Zahawi Justice: Jeremy Wright Defra; Kemi Badenoch
I think we all know that a sensible cabinet starts with PM: Keir Starmer
I just saw a clip of Braverman moaning about people on welfare. It didn't look very "prime ministerial".
She’s now found a fantasy problem to throw some red meat to the Tory membership . I find her utterly loathsome .
She appears to be quite an appalling human being.
She works from gut instinct and is not afraid to reveal her prejudices, a little bit like Priti Patel. Badenoch seems to be altogether a bit wiser and smarter.
Nothing changes.
Braverman is straight out of a Dicken's novel wondering why the workhouses aren't more efficient and the hulk ships can't take more of the underserving poor who did not work as she did.
Sir John Hayes, chairman of the Common Sense Group of Conservative MPs, said: "This is not a brave new world but a cowardly new world where we live in a country where we are frightened of the heat. It is not surprising that in snowflake Britain, the snowflakes are melting. Thankfully, most of us are not snowflakes.
"The idea that we clamour for hot weather for most of the year and then shut down when it does heat up is indicative of the state in which we now live."
These people are totally unhinged.
The “Common Sense Group” is presumably some kind of pastoral organisation for Tory MPs that manifestly lack any sense at all.
Sir John Hayes, chairman of the Common Sense Group of Conservative MPs, said: "This is not a brave new world but a cowardly new world where we live in a country where we are frightened of the heat. It is not surprising that in snowflake Britain, the snowflakes are melting. Thankfully, most of us are not snowflakes.
"The idea that we clamour for hot weather for most of the year and then shut down when it does heat up is indicative of the state in which we now live."
These people are totally unhinged.
I know he couldn't resist the lure of using a snowflake reference in conjunction with high temperatures, but what the heck does snowflake tendency have to do with climate change?
Let us never forget the right are just as capable of being snowflakes as the left.
Ok so sensible cabinet: PM; Tom Tugenhadt, Chancellor; ;Gove, FS Julian Smith, Home Sec: Sajid Javid Health: Liz Truss, Education; Mark Harper, Business Energy: Jeremy Hunt Defence; Ben Wallace Levelling Up; Aaron Bell Trade: Penny Mordaunt Leader of House; Mel Stride DWP Nadhim Zahawi Justice: Jeremy Wright Defra; Kemi Badenoch
I think we all know that a sensible cabinet starts with PM: Keir Starmer
Yes but we have to try and get through 2 more years of this shitshow
Ok so sensible cabinet: PM; Tom Tugenhadt, Chancellor; ;Gove, FS Julian Smith, Home Sec: Sajid Javid Health: Liz Truss, Education; Mark Harper, Business Energy: Jeremy Hunt Defence; Ben Wallace Levelling Up; Aaron Bell Trade: Penny Mordaunt Leader of House; Mel Stride DWP Nadhim Zahawi Justice: Jeremy Wright Defra; Kemi Badenoch
I think we all know that a sensible cabinet starts with PM: Keir Starmer
Yes but we have to try and get through 2 more years of this shitshow
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Ha ha. I see how you are twisting that. The fact that we have such a wonderfully diverse range of gender, religion and race to be PM is a reason to be superbly proud to be British. None of that is a bar at all. The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced does.
The irony of course is that the liberal society we have has been fought for long and hard by the left and opposed by the Tories at every step.
Well why on earth would a conservative party fight for a liberal society? Plenty of Conservatives are non white, female and not liberals too. There are some economic and social liberals within the Conservative party but it is still a conservative not liberal party
Though of course not all leftwingers are socially liberal either. Plenty of those who are economic socialists are also relative social conservatives, indeed a number of them live in the redwall
It doesn't really matter what the Tories do or think - liberal values win in the long-term anyway...
Equal rights for women? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Legalisation of homosexuality? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Gay marriage? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Disability rights? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Anti-race discrimination? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
For now but as the US showed abortion on demand is also about to be reversed in some states by conservatives. So it is not all one way traffic. Plenty of people here would also support a return to the death penalty, conservatives especially, for terrorists and serial killers.
Until recently the general belief was conservatives won the economic war but left liberals won the culture war.
However with governments increasing spending and intervention and voters backing tighter immigration controls, the backlash against Wokeism and the reversal of Roe v Wade in the US that is no longer so clear cut
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Ha ha. I see how you are twisting that. The fact that we have such a wonderfully diverse range of gender, religion and race to be PM is a reason to be superbly proud to be British. None of that is a bar at all. The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced does.
The irony of course is that the liberal society we have has been fought for long and hard by the left and opposed by the Tories at every step.
Well why on earth would a conservative party fight for a liberal society? Plenty of Conservatives are non white, female and not liberals too. There are some economic and social liberals within the Conservative party but it is still a conservative not liberal party
Though of course not all leftwingers are socially liberal either. Plenty of those who are economic socialists are also relative social conservatives, indeed a number of them live in the redwall
It doesn't really matter what the Tories do or think - liberal values win in the long-term anyway...
Equal rights for women? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Legalisation of homosexuality? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Gay marriage? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Disability rights? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Anti-race discrimination? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
An increase in the amount of surveillance in society over recent decades is not my idea of liberal values.
I just saw a clip of Braverman moaning about people on welfare. It didn't look very "prime ministerial".
She’s now found a fantasy problem to throw some red meat to the Tory membership . I find her utterly loathsome .
She appears to be quite an appalling human being.
She works from gut instinct and is not afraid to reveal her prejudices, a little bit like Priti Patel. Badenoch seems to be altogether a bit wiser and smarter.
Irma Grese was also a similarly unafraid gut instinct decision taker... I beleive we hanged her.
I just saw a clip of Braverman moaning about people on welfare. It didn't look very "prime ministerial".
She’s now found a fantasy problem to throw some red meat to the Tory membership . I find her utterly loathsome .
She appears to be quite an appalling human being.
She works from gut instinct and is not afraid to reveal her prejudices, a little bit like Priti Patel. Badenoch seems to be altogether a bit wiser and smarter.
As a woke lefty I would be delighted to see a black woman PM. It wouldn't make me not woke or lefty though thank you. Or any less opposed to her policies. You see. I don't think it's about race or gender.
Well I think if you are delighted by a black woman PM but oppose her policies then it IS about race and gender.
Ha ha. I see how you are twisting that. The fact that we have such a wonderfully diverse range of gender, religion and race to be PM is a reason to be superbly proud to be British. None of that is a bar at all. The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced does.
The irony of course is that the liberal society we have has been fought for long and hard by the left and opposed by the Tories at every step.
Well why on earth would a conservative party fight for a liberal society? Plenty of Conservatives are non white, female and not liberals too. There are some economic and social liberals within the Conservative party but it is still a conservative not liberal party
Though of course not all leftwingers are socially liberal either. Plenty of those who are economic socialists are also relative social conservatives, indeed a number of them live in the redwall
It doesn't really matter what the Tories do or think - liberal values win in the long-term anyway...
Equal rights for women? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Legalisation of homosexuality? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Gay marriage? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Disability rights? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect. Anti-race discrimination? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
An increase in the amount of surveillance in society over recent decades is not my idea of liberal values.
Sadly no one on left or right seems to care, save David Davis, and he’s seen as a relic now.
I just saw a clip of Braverman moaning about people on welfare. It didn't look very "prime ministerial".
She’s now found a fantasy problem to throw some red meat to the Tory membership . I find her utterly loathsome .
She appears to be quite an appalling human being.
She works from gut instinct and is not afraid to reveal her prejudices, a little bit like Priti Patel. Badenoch seems to be altogether a bit wiser and smarter.
Irma Grese was also a similarly unafraid gut instinct decision taker... I beleive we hanged her.
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You’re a conservative, with a vote in the election. Do *you* think those are the most important issues? If not, why might other conservatives think so, such that Kemi is reduced to peddling over-ripe meat to them?
Shant Grapps
Zadhim Nahawi
Bemi Kadenoch
Menny Pordaunt
Sishi Runak
Triz Luss
Jajid Savid
Tug Tomendhat
Chishman Rehti
Heremy Junt
I once sat next to Ken Clarke in a birdwatching hide at Rutland Water.
Apols to those who have read this before.
Goodnight from the Travelodge!
https://twitter.com/LBCNews/status/1546597858765324289?s=20&t=kUHj34AbTzNAhmkfJVhxMw
Wouldn't put anything past the Home Office when you read stories like the above.
I remember when any potential leader / PM had to make a big play over getting tough on crime as a central plank over their offer.
Northern Skies for me.
Then Proof.
Life in a Day
Solo: Leave Alone the Empty Spaces
Though I would still say I'd be happier with Sunak or Javid than any of the candidates in 2019 or 2016; and Hunt or Shapps than any of the candidates in 2016. So I remain cheerful.
Beat that.
The fact that they are economically incompetent, borderline corrupt or spectacularly inexperienced is.
Finger on the pulse, eh.
When I stayed in the Hotel San Michele in Fiesoli outside Florence, you were asked on checking in "Are you 'ere? Or are you not 'ere?" You got the impression Hitler and Stalin could have taken a break there and never been aware of the others presence...
3.25 Penny Mordaunt
3.5 Rishi Sunak
5.6 Liz Truss
12.5 Tom Tugendhat
15 Kemi Badenoch
32 Jeremy Hunt
48 Sajid Javid
50 Priti Patel
70 Nadhim Zahawi
70 Suella Braverman
80 Dominic Raab
That's slightly annoying. It's a surname that's not much fun to say.
She seemed quite good and her first race was at a decent level 2yo race at Kempton, and Mikey had arranged for a young Italian amateur to ride her. One Lanfranco Dettori, who was still claiming three or five pounds at the time.
On the canter on the way down to the starting gate he failed to avoid a bit of the railing that had been left sticking out, and rode the filly's chest into it. She got surrounded by the green screens and we thought she was done for. She survived it, had huge vet bills, then came fifth in a sales/claiming race and got sold for a grand and a half.
I know it was really Kempton's fault, but I've never forgiven Frankie
Hose it down afterwards?
It is amazing how the internet has affected these remote places. You can see them on streetview, people have filmed everything and it is all uploaded to youtube. The character is different, it is not 'remote' in the same way, the experience is primarily a landscape.
Though of course not all leftwingers are socially liberal either. Plenty of those who are economic socialists are also relative social conservatives, indeed a number of them live in the redwall
It wouldn't matter.
The economics are so utterly dire. So off the scale shit for ordinary voters in next two years that the Ragin' Cajun's mantra about 'it's the economy stoopid' is gonna be here in spades.
Any pol who wastes people's time with trivia about what some humanities courses are teaching in seminars in Exeter compared to the shit storm coming is dead in the electoral water.
Lab would be advised to put Reeves front of everything they do now and relentlessly talk about inflation and growth.
Not sure why she’s suddenly become flavour of the month .
I don't hold it against any of you which have such names, of course.
But they're just not as pleasant for an English speaker to say. They don't feel right in the mouth.
I dunno personally, hard to decide! All their albums, there are no clunkers, there are fantastic tracks on every one.
Probably something off Let It All In, maybe Bullets. I love the opening line. Northern Skies is good too. And To The Brink. Sky at Night is an astonishingly good album. Every album they did is very good, IMHO.
There’ll be stuff tucked away on other albums that’ll become my favourite when I hear them, if you get what I mean.
He’s always playing solo gigs, I saw him before Covid at the Brudenell in Leeds. See him if you can, it’s a great, intimate experience.
Edit: Fingerprints has just come on! Great song.
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Johnson has clearly decided Truss is the stop Sunak candidate.
When once it seemed that there was more than plenty,
I do believe that something somewhere sent me,
To you,
Astray,
And the bald raging flame of your heart, is making me stay"
Why do the media put things in Fahrenheit, nobody under the age of 50 understands it
Equal rights for women? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
Legalisation of homosexuality? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
Gay marriage? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
Disability rights? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
Anti-race discrimination? Tories oppose but it still comes into effect.
"The idea that we clamour for hot weather for most of the year and then shut down when it does heat up is indicative of the state in which we now live."
These people are totally unhinged.
Doesn’t change the fact she’s as reactionary as they come. It may even help to disguise how right-wing she is. The focus will be on her ethnicity rather than on the fact that she’s quite mad, politically speaking.
They so deserved more success and fame. But maybe just being working musicians who earned a crust doing what they love is enough.
Not every one can be the Rolling Stones.
The worry is that the smaller venues that these kinds of guys play in are disappearing faster than a TSE Stepmoms dress.
or even better Cory Hunt?
The band was about fifteen people, and there were about twenty other fans on the stage. Other than a maybe hispanic looking guy on the trumpet, I was the only white person on the stage. I'm pretty sure that I was easily the worst dancer
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L77648/2022-07-11#allox_id=0
Braverman is straight out of a Dicken's novel wondering why the workhouses aren't more efficient and the hulk ships can't take more of the underserving poor who did not work as she did.
Let us never forget the right are just as capable of being snowflakes as the left.
traffic. Plenty of people here would also support a return to the death penalty, conservatives especially, for terrorists and serial killers.
Until recently the general belief was conservatives won the economic war but left liberals won the culture war.
However with governments increasing spending and intervention and voters backing tighter immigration controls, the backlash against Wokeism and the reversal of Roe v Wade in the US that is no longer so clear cut
Utterly mind-blowing.
Dead ringer for Truss!
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1546587981951238145