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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    I'm loving the about-turns of the leading anti-wokers on here:

    Anti-wokers: Penny, you're an appealing candidate in many ways, but we can't vote for you because you're too woke.

    Penny: No, I'm not woke at all. Honestly. Take my word for it.

    Anti-wokers: Really? That's great, we're backing you then.

    She's been compelled to clarify and qualify her position, addressing the core issue.

    That's a good thing.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    Part 1

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
    Chelsea = Stepmom on pornhub.
    Boris = Stepmom on a niche website Tories with Boris Johnson as leader the next election = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Australia = Stepmom Jos Buttler = Stepson
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    He’s in stepmom territory. He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
    I officially declare Boris Johnson more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub whatever the result tonight.
    In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Wales, more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Final thought for the night, don't have nightmares. Boris Johnson = Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Yup, you're like a stepmom on a niche website. Order in plenty of hot broth.
    Boeing are going to be more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub aren't they?
    Right now Manchester United are getting more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    If you've missed the match tonight then here's a summary. Ukraine = Stepmom on pornhub England = Stepson on pornhub
    It took all my self restraint to use doomed in the headline than 'more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub'.
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
    If this Opinium poll turns out be accurate then Labour are more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    My predictions hold true. 1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. 2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
    Not subtle enough, it's more 'Trump's victory means America, if not the world, is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.'
    Mrs Sunak announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income. Still think Rishi is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub over his green card.
    Congratulations. You do realise your sleep patterns for the foreseeable future are like a stepmom on pornhub, totally fucked.
    There are stepmoms on Pornhub less fucked than Boris Johnson right now. Minister: “We think some of the whips have flipped”. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1483514495150526475
    What a dump and even more scarily this is the place the government is hoping that comes up with a vaccine? We’re more fecked than a Stepmom on pornhub.

    Part 2:

    Personally I think Trump is now more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub. https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/1238454333370445826?s=21
    Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona
    I said at the start of this pandemic, absent a vaccine, to survive this we're relying on the common sense of others. So in reality, we're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    It flashed up on my work server as a serious incident (Red 8) with the potential for massive financial security risk for users and the company. At work, Red 8 is also known as the stepmom, that's how bad it is.
    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister…
    Like a stepmom on pornhub. Ditto New Zealand. Even more shocking when vaccines have been available since the end of last year. Zero Covidians are the worst, well ok not as bad as antivaxxers but not far off.
    There was a really coarse individual on PB who used the phrase 'X is going to get pounded like a dockside hooker.' Fortunately he classed up and now uses the phrase 'X is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.'
    The only saving grace for Starmer is that the last 14 months the polls have been largely driven by the pandemic. If this is the norm for the post pandemic phase then he's like a stepmom on Pornhub. The only question is does the PLP have the desire to remove him?
    This is what my conference call was about. We are more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub when our 18 month clearing exemption ends and it isn't permanently renewed. But those of us in the financial services sector we rank lower than fish.
    The Union is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    With Broad ruled out of the series and Anderson with an injury set to rule him out tomorrow we may end up being more f*cked than a Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Ouch, he's like a stepmom on pornhub. ConHome’s Cabinet League Table. Johnson’s rating falls by almost 30 points into the bottom third This is much the same panel that gave Boris Johnson a 93 per cent approval rating after the last general election… …And that gave him a minus ten point negative rating last October, when…
    And you're more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub if the Americans get involved with the one sided extradition treaty.
    Maybe it's his catchphrase? 👍
    It seems that way
    It could be acronymed - MFTASMOPH (pronounced mufta-smof)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,042

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    A significant upgrade to what they have - this is the US/Norwegian developed ground launched AMRAAM.

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1546067306815651841
    Ukraine is already working with the manufacturer to receive Norwegian mobile battery of NASAMS anti-aircraft missiles.

    This will significantly strengthen the defense of Ukrainian skies, the spokesman for the Air Force Command Yuriy Ihnat said.

    The good news keeps coming for the Ukranians.
    There was a talk by Lord Dannatt (Chief of the General Staff from 2006 to 2009) on the cruise we have just been on.

    His summary of the situation in Ukraine was a rather depressing I'm afraid: Russia will gain the two Donbas regions and the war will enter a 'deep freeze' that could last for many years. No chance in his opinion (as far as I could tell) that Ukraine can push Russia out of the Donbas or Crimea.
    I thought people went on cruises to escape the real world and watch singers, magicians and comics?
    We have been on many cruises from the Artic to the Antarctic and only went to explore the countries and people and in Antarctica's case the albatross, penguin, whale and icebergs

    We can honestly say in all our cruises we not once went to the theatre for entertainment, but we did for lectures
    Well obvious the sight seeing, but I genuinely didn't realise they put on serious lectures talking about war and alike. Seems a bit heavy for a holiday.
    Not really and the lectures are usually very informative
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    It feels like Priti Patel is preparing to announce she's running... Several MPs have now tweeted urging her to stand. https://twitter.com/VotePursglove/status/1546010907637080065

    Pub quiz questions in the future will probably be framed something along the lines of: “who didn’t run for the Tory leadership in 2022?”

    Again I think this is showing up the unhealthy internal status of the Party. The Conservative Party is the grand old party of government. Under the bonnet it should be constantly evaluating, discarding and promoting its future prospects. Deals should be being made, no-hopers should be weeded out on the promise of future promotion. At any one time it should really be ready to go with 3/4 decent candidates with the rest being persuaded to sit it out.

    The fact we’ve got 10-12 people of varying levels of ability (I’ll be charitable) suggests that the internal machine has broken down. Everyone is in it for themselves. And that doesn’t bode well for the next election, or for the eventual fall from power.
    No political party I’ve heard of works like that. There are always comic candidates running. Labour accidentally elected one, for instance.
    +1 - this weekend is all about just seeing where you can get. There will always be joke / hopeless candidates who announce their candidacy and then fail to meet the criteria. By the end of the first round of voting (probably at the end of this week) we will be down to the 4-5 plausible candidates.
    Lots of them it is about horse trading for a big job in government i.e. I have 20 supporters, you will get their votes if you promise me ....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    Part 1

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
    Chelsea = Stepmom on pornhub.
    Boris = Stepmom on a niche website Tories with Boris Johnson as leader the next election = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Australia = Stepmom Jos Buttler = Stepson
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    He’s in stepmom territory. He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
    I officially declare Boris Johnson more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub whatever the result tonight.
    In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Wales, more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Final thought for the night, don't have nightmares. Boris Johnson = Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Yup, you're like a stepmom on a niche website. Order in plenty of hot broth.
    Boeing are going to be more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub aren't they?
    Right now Manchester United are getting more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    If you've missed the match tonight then here's a summary. Ukraine = Stepmom on pornhub England = Stepson on pornhub
    It took all my self restraint to use doomed in the headline than 'more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub'.
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
    If this Opinium poll turns out be accurate then Labour are more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    My predictions hold true. 1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. 2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
    Not subtle enough, it's more 'Trump's victory means America, if not the world, is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.'
    Mrs Sunak announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income. Still think Rishi is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub over his green card.
    Congratulations. You do realise your sleep patterns for the foreseeable future are like a stepmom on pornhub, totally fucked.
    There are stepmoms on Pornhub less fucked than Boris Johnson right now. Minister: “We think some of the whips have flipped”. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1483514495150526475
    What a dump and even more scarily this is the place the government is hoping that comes up with a vaccine? We’re more fecked than a Stepmom on pornhub.

    Part 2:

    Personally I think Trump is now more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub. https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/1238454333370445826?s=21
    Barcelona are more fecked than a stepmom on you know where. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/29/real-madrid-can-spend-eight-times-as-much-as-barcelona
    I said at the start of this pandemic, absent a vaccine, to survive this we're relying on the common sense of others. So in reality, we're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    It flashed up on my work server as a serious incident (Red 8) with the potential for massive financial security risk for users and the company. At work, Red 8 is also known as the stepmom, that's how bad it is.
    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister…
    Like a stepmom on pornhub. Ditto New Zealand. Even more shocking when vaccines have been available since the end of last year. Zero Covidians are the worst, well ok not as bad as antivaxxers but not far off.
    There was a really coarse individual on PB who used the phrase 'X is going to get pounded like a dockside hooker.' Fortunately he classed up and now uses the phrase 'X is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.'
    The only saving grace for Starmer is that the last 14 months the polls have been largely driven by the pandemic. If this is the norm for the post pandemic phase then he's like a stepmom on Pornhub. The only question is does the PLP have the desire to remove him?
    This is what my conference call was about. We are more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub when our 18 month clearing exemption ends and it isn't permanently renewed. But those of us in the financial services sector we rank lower than fish.
    The Union is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    With Broad ruled out of the series and Anderson with an injury set to rule him out tomorrow we may end up being more f*cked than a Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Ouch, he's like a stepmom on pornhub. ConHome’s Cabinet League Table. Johnson’s rating falls by almost 30 points into the bottom third This is much the same panel that gave Boris Johnson a 93 per cent approval rating after the last general election… …And that gave him a minus ten point negative rating last October, when…
    And you're more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub if the Americans get involved with the one sided extradition treaty.
    Maybe it's his catchphrase? 👍
    Paging Roy Walker:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=QPDFVk9HrgM
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    dixiedean said:

    Of course they have.....

    Tory donors are privately asking if there is 'any way' to keep Boris Johnson as PM

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10998895/Tory-donors-privately-asking-way-Boris-Johnson-PM.html

    The Mail seems to be having a mini breakdown.
    "Got at by Remainers, the blob and the BBC."
    Comments are batshit. All best rated pro-Boris.
    Give it a week and they'll be "Boris who? PM 4 PM...."
    Just a reminder that Boris is still PM. He did not actually resign.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,042

    dixiedean said:

    Of course they have.....

    Tory donors are privately asking if there is 'any way' to keep Boris Johnson as PM

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10998895/Tory-donors-privately-asking-way-Boris-Johnson-PM.html

    The Mail seems to be having a mini breakdown.
    "Got at by Remainers, the blob and the BBC."
    Comments are batshit. All best rated pro-Boris.
    Give it a week and they'll be "Boris who? PM 4 PM...."
    As will our very own @HYUFD
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    He's a fan of the movie The Long Shot.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    How many other candidates are thinking today "damn, I was going to use Jupiter/I Vow to Thee My Country" ?

    ( nb not quite the same tune.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country#Tune )

    Expect a rapid release of Jerusalem.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Just watched Penny's video. Wow. Until the very end I thought some kind of spoofery was going on and there'd be a comic reveal. I was also surprised by how much she sounds like Theresa May. Still, I'm not voting.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Nigelb said:

    How many other candidates are thinking today "damn, I was going to use Jupiter/I Vow to Thee My Country" ?

    ( nb not quite the same tune.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country#Tune )

    Expect a rapid release of Jerusalem.

    Given the policies, Benny Hill would be more appropriate
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    Definitely she won't. Im getting the turnip taliban back together for a comeback tour
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    My guess is that Truss is struggling to get the broad MP support she thought she would.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Nigelb said:

    How many other candidates are thinking today "damn, I was going to use Jupiter/I Vow to Thee My Country" ?

    ( nb not quite the same tune.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country#Tune )

    Expect a rapid release of Jerusalem.

    Given the policies, Benny Hill would be more appropriate
    "There'll Always be an England" ?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting findings.
    I suppose "be aggressive about Brexit" relates to a desire for the candidates to be in denial about how it's going ?

    https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/1546039192106442752
    5 top concerns among Tory members that candidates are focused on. Will you:
    1. Cut tax?
    2. Be aggressive on Brexit?
    3. Increase defence spending?
    4. Say trans-women are not women?
    And then - very oddly for a Tory contest - this one is a long way behind:
    5. Win the next election?


    And not apparently looking for an election winner.

    It is not an unexpected list but a couple are worrying regarding the mentality of the Tory membership namely:

    2) What do you actually want? Complete isolated from Jonny Foreigner.

    4) That should be number 99 on the list not 4 and to what end? Looks paranoid. I wonder how many have actually come across a trans woman.
    We're surely intelligent enough here to know when something is bejng deliberately reduced to an absurdity. Saying 'what a woman is' is considered an indicator of a far deeper and wider issue - essentially whether one is brave enough to stand against prevailing chattering class (and transatlantic) elite orthodoxy, and tell the truth.

    However, though I am not in complete agreement with everything Mordaunt says on the issue, I respect her sincerity it saying it.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Nigelb said:

    How many other candidates are thinking today "damn, I was going to use Jupiter/I Vow to Thee My Country" ?

    ( nb not quite the same tune.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country#Tune )

    Expect a rapid release of Jerusalem.

    With the bluekip takeover complete, Vindaloo might be more appropriate.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited July 2022
    Liz will always have the Trade Deal with one of the Swiss Cantons she arranged that one time.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    What a good idea!

    Now why didn’t I think of that?

    It will really annoy her 😈
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited July 2022

    Nigelb said:

    How many other candidates are thinking today "damn, I was going to use Jupiter/I Vow to Thee My Country" ?

    ( nb not quite the same tune.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country#Tune )

    Expect a rapid release of Jerusalem.

    With the bluekip takeover complete, Vindaloo might be more appropriate.
    Vindaloo should be the national anthem
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433

    I'm loving the about-turns of the leading anti-wokers on here:

    Anti-wokers: Penny, you're an appealing candidate in many ways, but we can't vote for you because you're too woke.

    Penny: No, I'm not woke at all. Honestly. Take my word for it.

    Anti-wokers: Really? That's great, we're backing you then.

    That was never my positon (not saying you were referring to me). I was backing her as the best candidate despite her woke proclivities. Now she's clarified it further, it's even better.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    dixiedean said:

    Of course they have.....

    Tory donors are privately asking if there is 'any way' to keep Boris Johnson as PM

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10998895/Tory-donors-privately-asking-way-Boris-Johnson-PM.html

    The Mail seems to be having a mini breakdown.
    "Got at by Remainers, the blob and the BBC."
    Comments are batshit. All best rated pro-Boris.
    Give it a week and they'll be "Boris who? PM 4 PM...."
    Just a reminder that Boris is still PM. He did not actually resign.
    That's the same as every other PM in the same situation. May, Blair and Thatcher were still PM until their replacement took over.
    They were more reliable and predictable. They said they would do it and you knew they would... ;)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited July 2022

    dixiedean said:

    Of course they have.....

    Tory donors are privately asking if there is 'any way' to keep Boris Johnson as PM

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10998895/Tory-donors-privately-asking-way-Boris-Johnson-PM.html

    The Mail seems to be having a mini breakdown.
    "Got at by Remainers, the blob and the BBC."
    Comments are batshit. All best rated pro-Boris.
    Give it a week and they'll be "Boris who? PM 4 PM...."
    Just a reminder that Boris is still PM. He did not actually resign.
    That's the same as every other PM in the same situation. May, Blair and Thatcher were still PM until their replacement took over.
    I have seen at least one US report saying his period as PM is over, but most outlets seem to have gotten it right. Despite the panicked nonsense yesterday about whether he had resigned as party leader or not, it was pretty clear he would be staying on as PM.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    My guess is that Truss is struggling to get the broad MP support she thought she would.
    Who was her Gove, who she thought would back her but ran instead?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Nigelb said:

    How many other candidates are thinking today "damn, I was going to use Jupiter/I Vow to Thee My Country" ?

    ( nb not quite the same tune.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country#Tune )

    Expect a rapid release of Jerusalem.

    With the bluekip takeover complete, Vindaloo might be more appropriate.
    There’s much top drawer political satire on here today.

    I’m liking every quip as I read through 🙂
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Nigelb said:

    Shapps: "We've got an embarrassment of good candidates."

    So now we know the collective noun for a group of Tory leadership hopefuls.

    https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1546051061068226560

    LOL.
    Grants Shapps is 100/1...

    I can see his reasoning.

    "I'm a good candidate, naturally. Some of them are on a level with me. Therefore we have many good candidates.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    kle4 said:

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    My guess is that Truss is struggling to get the broad MP support she thought she would.
    Who was her Gove, who she thought would back her but ran instead?
    I reckon Zahawi has done a double number on her. Shapps might have been one of her pets too
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MrEd said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sounds like there’s been crowd trouble at the F1 in Austria this weekend.
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-to-discuss-unacceptable-fan-harassment-with-austrian-gp-promoter/10336028/

    Why are all the sports fans starting to behave like football fans? Too much alcohol and cocaine? It used to be that other sports always had a friendly atmosphere, sometimes a little boisterous but with the crowd policing themselves well. There was even fighting at Edgebaston at the Test Match last week.

    I was chatting about this with an industry contact who goes to the league 1 matches. His view is that, post Covid, everyone is going mental when it goes to days out - he says before at the matches it used to be a few guys having a couple of cans and getting vaguely pissed, now there is a whole group taking coke and drugs during the game.

    The odd thing is that despite triumphant press releases about breaking encrochat and massive drug shipments intercepted, there seems to be more coke about than ever. They'll be adding it to the CPI next.
    Prohibition of substances never works, we learned this in the USA a century ago.

    Sell it in pharmacies, with known doses and taxes on it. Spend some of the taxes on addiction treatment programmes.
    This is the key driver in Europe....

    The Slippery Dutch Slope from Drug Tolerance to Drug Terror

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/narco-state-netherlands-the-slippery-dutch-slope-from-drug-tolerance-to-drug-terror-a-4c064859-9faf-495f-b1f7-c74900910568

    How the Netherlands became a narco state

    https://unherd.com/2022/03/how-the-netherlands-became-a-narco-state/#:~:text=How the Netherlands became a narco state
    Wow, that’s a sobering read. Sounds like the drugs gangs are totally out of control.
    This is another good read,

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/20/a-united-nations-of-how-marbella-became-a-magnet-for-gangsters
    Shit. 73 TONNES of coke seized at Rotterdam in one year says unherd. assume a 10% success rate and that's getting on for a thousand tonnes a year, adulterated 50/50 to 2,000.

    shit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    Part 1

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
    Chelsea = Stepmom on pornhub.
    Boris = Stepmom on a niche website Tories with Boris Johnson as leader the next election = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Australia = Stepmom Jos Buttler = Stepson
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    He’s in stepmom territory. He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
    I officially declare Boris Johnson more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub whatever the result tonight.
    In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Wales, more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Final thought for the night, don't have nightmares. Boris Johnson = Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Yup, you're like a stepmom on a niche website. Order in plenty of hot broth.
    Boeing are going to be more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub aren't they?
    Right now Manchester United are getting more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    If you've missed the match tonight then here's a summary. Ukraine = Stepmom on pornhub England = Stepson on pornhub
    It took all my self restraint to use doomed in the headline than 'more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub'.
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
    If this Opinium poll turns out be accurate then Labour are more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    My predictions hold true. 1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. 2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
    Not subtle enough, it's more 'Trump's victory means America, if not the world, is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.'
    Mrs Sunak announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income. Still think Rishi is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub over his green card.
    Congratulations. You do realise your sleep patterns for the foreseeable future are like a stepmom on pornhub, totally fucked.
    There are stepmoms on Pornhub less fucked than Boris Johnson right now. Minister: “We think some of the whips have flipped”. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1483514495150526475
    What a dump and even more scarily this is the place the government is hoping that comes up with a vaccine? We’re more fecked than a Stepmom on pornhub.

    It’s a lovely day. Go out and enjoy the sun
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited July 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    (snip)

    Evidently there are quite a number of stepmoms, then ?
    You know Americans. Into serial polygamy in a big way.

    Edit: cvome to think of it, some are already into parallel polygamy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565

    Just watched Penny's video. Wow. Until the very end I thought some kind of spoofery was going on and there'd be a comic reveal. I was also surprised by how much she sounds like Theresa May. Still, I'm not voting.

    It was aimed at a very narrow electorate. Where it will have scored a palpable hit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    It could well impact their attempts at reinvention - they may not be able to switch everything around like they they are saying.

    What we’re getting here is the leadership contest you normally get AFTER a party loses an election - with promises of returning to the true gospel now the constraints of office are off. Which usually doesn’t matter because those promising the earth… stay in opposition for years

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1546056122825670658?cxt=HHwWhIC8vcb22PQqAAAA
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    IshmaelZ said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    MrEd said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sounds like there’s been crowd trouble at the F1 in Austria this weekend.
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-to-discuss-unacceptable-fan-harassment-with-austrian-gp-promoter/10336028/

    Why are all the sports fans starting to behave like football fans? Too much alcohol and cocaine? It used to be that other sports always had a friendly atmosphere, sometimes a little boisterous but with the crowd policing themselves well. There was even fighting at Edgebaston at the Test Match last week.

    I was chatting about this with an industry contact who goes to the league 1 matches. His view is that, post Covid, everyone is going mental when it goes to days out - he says before at the matches it used to be a few guys having a couple of cans and getting vaguely pissed, now there is a whole group taking coke and drugs during the game.

    The odd thing is that despite triumphant press releases about breaking encrochat and massive drug shipments intercepted, there seems to be more coke about than ever. They'll be adding it to the CPI next.
    Prohibition of substances never works, we learned this in the USA a century ago.

    Sell it in pharmacies, with known doses and taxes on it. Spend some of the taxes on addiction treatment programmes.
    This is the key driver in Europe....

    The Slippery Dutch Slope from Drug Tolerance to Drug Terror

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/narco-state-netherlands-the-slippery-dutch-slope-from-drug-tolerance-to-drug-terror-a-4c064859-9faf-495f-b1f7-c74900910568

    How the Netherlands became a narco state

    https://unherd.com/2022/03/how-the-netherlands-became-a-narco-state/#:~:text=How the Netherlands became a narco state
    Wow, that’s a sobering read. Sounds like the drugs gangs are totally out of control.
    This is another good read,

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/20/a-united-nations-of-how-marbella-became-a-magnet-for-gangsters
    Shit. 73 TONNES of coke seized at Rotterdam in one year says unherd. assume a 10% success rate and that's getting on for a thousand tonnes a year, adulterated 50/50 to 2,000.

    shit.
    50 tonnes more seized at Antwerp, to add to that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Just watched Penny's video. Wow. Until the very end I thought some kind of spoofery was going on and there'd be a comic reveal. I was also surprised by how much she sounds like Theresa May. Still, I'm not voting.

    It was aimed at a very narrow electorate. Where it will have scored a palpable hit.
    If she'd got Richard E Grant to do the voiceover, that really would have been satire.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting findings.
    I suppose "be aggressive about Brexit" relates to a desire for the candidates to be in denial about how it's going ?

    https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/1546039192106442752
    5 top concerns among Tory members that candidates are focused on. Will you:
    1. Cut tax?
    2. Be aggressive on Brexit?
    3. Increase defence spending?
    4. Say trans-women are not women?
    And then - very oddly for a Tory contest - this one is a long way behind:
    5. Win the next election?


    And not apparently looking for an election winner.

    It is not an unexpected list but a couple are worrying regarding the mentality of the Tory membership namely:

    2) What do you actually want? Complete isolated from Jonny Foreigner.

    4) That should be number 99 on the list not 4 and to what end? Looks paranoid. I wonder how many have actually come across a trans woman.
    We're surely intelligent enough here to know when something is bejng deliberately reduced to an absurdity. Saying 'what a woman is' is considered an indicator of a far deeper and wider issue - essentially whether one is brave enough to stand against prevailing chattering class (and transatlantic) elite orthodoxy, and tell the truth.

    However, though I am not in complete agreement with everything Mordaunt says on the issue, I respect her sincerity it saying it.
    I do wonder if it is because she wants to retain her reservist commission (not expert enough to know and DA seems to be out on his bike this morning).
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    dixiedean said:

    Of course they have.....

    Tory donors are privately asking if there is 'any way' to keep Boris Johnson as PM

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10998895/Tory-donors-privately-asking-way-Boris-Johnson-PM.html

    The Mail seems to be having a mini breakdown.
    "Got at by Remainers, the blob and the BBC."
    Comments are batshit. All best rated pro-Boris.
    Give it a week and they'll be "Boris who? PM 4 PM...."
    Just a reminder that Boris is still PM. He did not actually resign.
    . .
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Carnyx said:

    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting findings.
    I suppose "be aggressive about Brexit" relates to a desire for the candidates to be in denial about how it's going ?

    https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/1546039192106442752
    5 top concerns among Tory members that candidates are focused on. Will you:
    1. Cut tax?
    2. Be aggressive on Brexit?
    3. Increase defence spending?
    4. Say trans-women are not women?
    And then - very oddly for a Tory contest - this one is a long way behind:
    5. Win the next election?


    And not apparently looking for an election winner.

    It is not an unexpected list but a couple are worrying regarding the mentality of the Tory membership namely:

    2) What do you actually want? Complete isolated from Jonny Foreigner.

    4) That should be number 99 on the list not 4 and to what end? Looks paranoid. I wonder how many have actually come across a trans woman.
    We're surely intelligent enough here to know when something is bejng deliberately reduced to an absurdity. Saying 'what a woman is' is considered an indicator of a far deeper and wider issue - essentially whether one is brave enough to stand against prevailing chattering class (and transatlantic) elite orthodoxy, and tell the truth.

    However, though I am not in complete agreement with everything Mordaunt says on the issue, I respect her sincerity it saying it.
    I do wonder if it is because she wants to retain her reservist commission (not expert enough to know and DA seems to be out on his bike this morning).
    DA chillin down da souk. He is in Cairo doing a language course.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    kle4 said:

    It could well impact their attempts at reinvention - they may not be able to switch everything around like they they are saying.

    What we’re getting here is the leadership contest you normally get AFTER a party loses an election - with promises of returning to the true gospel now the constraints of office are off. Which usually doesn’t matter because those promising the earth… stay in opposition for years

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1546056122825670658?cxt=HHwWhIC8vcb22PQqAAAA

    Some of these things were going to happen anyway, just that the government were in denial about it and still claiming it was unaffordable. It may indeed be unaffordable but there is no pragmatic alternative.

    Public sector pay will have to go up by about 5% regardless of the administration or leader
    Energy bills and fuel will need further subsidy and/or lower taxes regardless as well

    Corporation tax is a weird (and silly) one to focus on though.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Anyway, will sign in later. I'm off to the circus.

    That's literal - not a metaphor. 3 year old very excited.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    Part 1

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
    Chelsea = Stepmom on pornhub.
    Boris = Stepmom on a niche website Tories with Boris Johnson as leader the next election = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Australia = Stepmom Jos Buttler = Stepson
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    He’s in stepmom territory. He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
    I officially declare Boris Johnson more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub whatever the result tonight.
    In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Wales, more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Final thought for the night, don't have nightmares. Boris Johnson = Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Yup, you're like a stepmom on a niche website. Order in plenty of hot broth.
    Boeing are going to be more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub aren't they?
    Right now Manchester United are getting more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    If you've missed the match tonight then here's a summary. Ukraine = Stepmom on pornhub England = Stepson on pornhub
    It took all my self restraint to use doomed in the headline than 'more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub'.
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
    If this Opinium poll turns out be accurate then Labour are more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    My predictions hold true. 1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. 2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
    Not subtle enough, it's more 'Trump's victory means America, if not the world, is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.'
    Mrs Sunak announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income. Still think Rishi is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub over his green card.
    Congratulations. You do realise your sleep patterns for the foreseeable future are like a stepmom on pornhub, totally fucked.
    There are stepmoms on Pornhub less fucked than Boris Johnson right now. Minister: “We think some of the whips have flipped”. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1483514495150526475
    What a dump and even more scarily this is the place the government is hoping that comes up with a vaccine? We’re more fecked than a Stepmom on pornhub.

    It’s a lovely day. Go out and enjoy the sun
    I've been out weeding the garden. It's like 20 degrees out there, it's like the fucking Congo.
    Find any Japanese soldiers?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    Mourdant looks beatable. Not the threat she was supposed to be. Where is Truss?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Anyway, will sign in later. I'm off to the circus.

    That's literal - not a metaphor. 3 year old very excited.

    And you thought you had just seen the last of the clown.....
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    I'm loving the about-turns of the leading anti-wokers on here:

    Anti-wokers: Penny, you're an appealing candidate in many ways, but we can't vote for you because you're too woke.

    Penny: No, I'm not woke at all. Honestly. Take my word for it.

    Anti-wokers: Really? That's great, we're backing you then.

    She's been compelled to clarify and qualify her position, addressing the core issue.

    That's a good thing.
    Trying to make out there’s a Great Culture War so to the barricades Les Mis style is puerile. It always was puerile at every stage - thank goodness it’s getting knocked on the head now and we are getting a sensible Tory Party back.

    It was only going that way because rubbish leadership were steering it there thinking it’s in their own interest (not thinking of the party interest).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited July 2022
    Don’t rule out Truss quite yet.

    MPs also need to ask how the new PM will present on the international stage.

    Having said that, I think Mordaunt will win,
    She has the merit of not being Rishi, Truss, Hunt or Braverman, and I expect her to pick up votes from MPs desperate to veto those other options.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    kjh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting findings.
    I suppose "be aggressive about Brexit" relates to a desire for the candidates to be in denial about how it's going ?

    https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/1546039192106442752
    5 top concerns among Tory members that candidates are focused on. Will you:
    1. Cut tax?
    2. Be aggressive on Brexit?
    3. Increase defence spending?
    4. Say trans-women are not women?
    And then - very oddly for a Tory contest - this one is a long way behind:
    5. Win the next election?


    And not apparently looking for an election winner.

    It is not an unexpected list but a couple are worrying regarding the mentality of the Tory membership namely:

    2) What do you actually want? Complete isolated from Jonny Foreigner.

    4) That should be number 99 on the list not 4 and to what end? Looks paranoid. I wonder how many have actually come across a trans woman.
    We're surely intelligent enough here to know when something is bejng deliberately reduced to an absurdity. Saying 'what a woman is' is considered an indicator of a far deeper and wider issue - essentially whether one is brave enough to stand against prevailing chattering class (and transatlantic) elite orthodoxy, and tell the truth.

    However, though I am not in complete agreement with everything Mordaunt says on the issue, I respect her sincerity it saying it.
    I do wonder if it is because she wants to retain her reservist commission (not expert enough to know and DA seems to be out on his bike this morning).
    DA chillin down da souk. He is in Cairo doing a language course.
    Ah, thanks: indulging in the ful medames.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    At least now the Tories have the opportunity of picking a leader from a dazzling and charismatic array of talent.

    It's so difficult to choose, but I think I would go for whatsis/ername.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    kle4 said:

    It could well impact their attempts at reinvention - they may not be able to switch everything around like they they are saying.

    What we’re getting here is the leadership contest you normally get AFTER a party loses an election - with promises of returning to the true gospel now the constraints of office are off. Which usually doesn’t matter because those promising the earth… stay in opposition for years

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1546056122825670658?cxt=HHwWhIC8vcb22PQqAAAA

    Some of these things were going to happen anyway, just that the government were in denial about it and still claiming it was unaffordable. It may indeed be unaffordable but there is no pragmatic alternative.

    Public sector pay will have to go up by about 5% regardless of the administration or leader
    Energy bills and fuel will need further subsidy and/or lower taxes regardless as well

    Corporation tax is a weird (and silly) one to focus on though.
    The focus on corporation tax, is that it was Rishi Sunak’s flagship policy as Chancellor.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Truss does look like a step porn on momhub this morning. never been happier to lose a 100/1 shot.

    Ghost Ship and tennis time.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Netherlands situation getting interesting. The farmers and support are planning to shut down every major urban centre tomorrow.
    Civil unrest and dissatisfaction is on the march
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    I'm more disappointed no one is doing Rory style walkabouts yet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,652
    dixiedean said:

    Of course they have.....

    Tory donors are privately asking if there is 'any way' to keep Boris Johnson as PM

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10998895/Tory-donors-privately-asking-way-Boris-Johnson-PM.html

    The Mail seems to be having a mini breakdown.
    "Got at by Remainers, the blob and the BBC."
    Comments are batshit. All best rated pro-Boris.
    Well @micktrain needs to keep busy somewhere.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831

    kle4 said:

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    My guess is that Truss is struggling to get the broad MP support she thought she would.
    Who was her Gove, who she thought would back her but ran instead?
    I reckon Zahawi has done a double number on her. Shapps might have been one of her pets too
    Highly plausible on the basis that Zahawi stabs about 3 people in the back before he even finishes his Alpen.
    I don't think he is that fussy: back, front, side, whatever.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    It could well impact their attempts at reinvention - they may not be able to switch everything around like they they are saying.

    What we’re getting here is the leadership contest you normally get AFTER a party loses an election - with promises of returning to the true gospel now the constraints of office are off. Which usually doesn’t matter because those promising the earth… stay in opposition for years

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1546056122825670658?cxt=HHwWhIC8vcb22PQqAAAA

    Some of these things were going to happen anyway, just that the government were in denial about it and still claiming it was unaffordable. It may indeed be unaffordable but there is no pragmatic alternative.

    Public sector pay will have to go up by about 5% regardless of the administration or leader
    Energy bills and fuel will need further subsidy and/or lower taxes regardless as well

    Corporation tax is a weird (and silly) one to focus on though.
    The focus on corporation tax, is that it was Rishi Sunak’s flagship policy as Chancellor.
    Within political and fiscal geeks perhaps. Sunak's flagship policies amongst the wider voting public are furlough and eat out to help out.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    Part 1

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
    Chelsea = Stepmom on pornhub.
    Boris = Stepmom on a niche website Tories with Boris Johnson as leader the next election = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Australia = Stepmom Jos Buttler = Stepson
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    He’s in stepmom territory. He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
    I officially declare Boris Johnson more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub whatever the result tonight.
    In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Wales, more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Final thought for the night, don't have nightmares. Boris Johnson = Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Yup, you're like a stepmom on a niche website. Order in plenty of hot broth.
    Boeing are going to be more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub aren't they?
    Right now Manchester United are getting more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    If you've missed the match tonight then here's a summary. Ukraine = Stepmom on pornhub England = Stepson on pornhub
    It took all my self restraint to use doomed in the headline than 'more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub'.
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
    If this Opinium poll turns out be accurate then Labour are more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    My predictions hold true. 1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. 2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
    Not subtle enough, it's more 'Trump's victory means America, if not the world, is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.'
    Mrs Sunak announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income. Still think Rishi is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub over his green card.
    Congratulations. You do realise your sleep patterns for the foreseeable future are like a stepmom on pornhub, totally fucked.
    There are stepmoms on Pornhub less fucked than Boris Johnson right now. Minister: “We think some of the whips have flipped”. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1483514495150526475
    What a dump and even more scarily this is the place the government is hoping that comes up with a vaccine? We’re more fecked than a Stepmom on pornhub.

    It’s a lovely day. Go out and enjoy the sun
    I've been out weeding the garden. It's like 20 degrees out there, it's like the fucking Congo.
    It’s your wet bulbs, Farooq.

    Death Valley isn’t surrounded by water.

    Other places are hotter longer than us, but they have air con expecting it - I was still using sofa blanket in June.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    kle4 said:

    I'm more disappointed no one is doing Rory style walkabouts yet.

    Or an Andrea Jenkyns 'get it up ya' in their underpants
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Netherlands situation getting interesting. The farmers and support are planning to shut down every major urban centre tomorrow.
    Civil unrest and dissatisfaction is on the march

    Are they applying to become French?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    Chris said:

    At least now the Tories have the opportunity of picking a leader from a dazzling and charismatic array of talent.

    It's so difficult to choose, but I think I would go for whatsis/ername.

    Nadine Zawahi. I knew it would come to me.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    How many other candidates are thinking today "damn, I was going to use Jupiter/I Vow to Thee My Country" ?

    ( nb not quite the same tune.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Vow_to_Thee,_My_Country#Tune )

    Expect a rapid release of Jerusalem.

    Given the policies, Benny Hill would be more appropriate
    "There'll Always be an England" ?
    I'd cheer anybody using "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life...."
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Netherlands situation getting interesting. The farmers and support are planning to shut down every major urban centre tomorrow.
    Civil unrest and dissatisfaction is on the march

    Are they applying to become French?
    They arent yet burning their sheep. Give it till Tuesday
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    Part 1

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
    Chelsea = Stepmom on pornhub.
    Boris = Stepmom on a niche website Tories with Boris Johnson as leader the next election = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Australia = Stepmom Jos Buttler = Stepson
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    He’s in stepmom territory. He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
    I officially declare Boris Johnson more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub whatever the result tonight.
    In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Wales, more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Final thought for the night, don't have nightmares. Boris Johnson = Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Yup, you're like a stepmom on a niche website. Order in plenty of hot broth.
    Boeing are going to be more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub aren't they?
    Right now Manchester United are getting more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    If you've missed the match tonight then here's a summary. Ukraine = Stepmom on pornhub England = Stepson on pornhub
    It took all my self restraint to use doomed in the headline than 'more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub'.
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
    If this Opinium poll turns out be accurate then Labour are more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    My predictions hold true. 1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. 2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
    Not subtle enough, it's more 'Trump's victory means America, if not the world, is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.'
    Mrs Sunak announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income. Still think Rishi is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub over his green card.
    Congratulations. You do realise your sleep patterns for the foreseeable future are like a stepmom on pornhub, totally fucked.
    There are stepmoms on Pornhub less fucked than Boris Johnson right now. Minister: “We think some of the whips have flipped”. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1483514495150526475
    What a dump and even more scarily this is the place the government is hoping that comes up with a vaccine? We’re more fecked than a Stepmom on pornhub.

    It’s a lovely day. Go out and enjoy the sun
    I've been out weeding the garden. It's like 20 degrees out there, it's like the fucking Congo.
    Find any Japanese soldiers?
    My garden this moring, I was slightly surprised not find a northern branch of Angkor Wat with the lawnmower.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    My guess is that Truss is struggling to get the broad MP support she thought she would.
    Who was her Gove, who she thought would back her but ran instead?
    I reckon Zahawi has done a double number on her. Shapps might have been one of her pets too
    Highly plausible on the basis that Zahawi stabs about 3 people in the back before he even finishes his Alpen.
    I don't think he is that fussy: back, front, side, whatever.
    He and Boris were quite the match.....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    What is wrong with what Roger said, is there really any need for the condescending replies to him.

    Are you new here?
    Roger tried to say Penny’s brilliant video is rubbish, because he is a advert making expert.

    I am happy to lay into him now too.

    As I posted in the last thread, Penny Mourdant is the new David Cameron, dragging the Tory Party back to the centre and electability. That is a David Cameron era Big Society campaign video. What she is saying is, you may not agree with all of my policies but you don’t need to, you trust me and will follow me.

    That in a nutshell is what leadership is. To say, my pitch in this election is not to follow you, but you follow me. All the rest of them have it utterly wrong, pandering to the party on tax cuts, culture war and Net Zero.

    Roger has the freedom to give it a low mark, but unfortunately we can now prove Roger wrong, by contrasting this video with Suella’s - they are videos of two most different pitches from two most different planets, Brsvermans is 100% planet unelectable gibberish in contrast with Penny’s video and platform.

    Now you have given Penny lowest mark ever Roger, where are you going with Bravermans?
    When I FaceTime my Dad later I am going to tell him he’s got it wrong backing Rishi, he needs to back Mourdant.

    I won’t waste my time trying to talk my mum out of voting for Truss.

    Tell your mum Truss won't make the final two.... 😃
    My guess is that Truss is struggling to get the broad MP support she thought she would.
    Who was her Gove, who she thought would back her but ran instead?
    I reckon Zahawi has done a double number on her. Shapps might have been one of her pets too
    Highly plausible on the basis that Zahawi stabs about 3 people in the back before he even finishes his Alpen.
    I don't think he is that fussy: back, front, side, whatever.
    He and Boris were quite the match.....
    More like Robert Baratheon and Tywin Lannister. He's way more dangerous than Boris.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    It could well impact their attempts at reinvention - they may not be able to switch everything around like they they are saying.

    What we’re getting here is the leadership contest you normally get AFTER a party loses an election - with promises of returning to the true gospel now the constraints of office are off. Which usually doesn’t matter because those promising the earth… stay in opposition for years

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1546056122825670658?cxt=HHwWhIC8vcb22PQqAAAA

    Some of these things were going to happen anyway, just that the government were in denial about it and still claiming it was unaffordable. It may indeed be unaffordable but there is no pragmatic alternative.

    Public sector pay will have to go up by about 5% regardless of the administration or leader
    Energy bills and fuel will need further subsidy and/or lower taxes regardless as well

    Corporation tax is a weird (and silly) one to focus on though.
    The focus on corporation tax, is that it was Rishi Sunak’s flagship policy as Chancellor.
    Within political and fiscal geeks perhaps. Sunak's flagship policies amongst the wider voting public are furlough and eat out to help out.
    At this stage, the audience is Tory MPs.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    At least now the Tories have the opportunity of picking a leader from a dazzling and charismatic array of talent.

    It's so difficult to choose, but I think I would go for whatsis/ername.

    Nadine Zawahi. I knew it would come to me.
    Bruella Saverman.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    It could well impact their attempts at reinvention - they may not be able to switch everything around like they they are saying.

    What we’re getting here is the leadership contest you normally get AFTER a party loses an election - with promises of returning to the true gospel now the constraints of office are off. Which usually doesn’t matter because those promising the earth… stay in opposition for years

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1546056122825670658?cxt=HHwWhIC8vcb22PQqAAAA

    Some of these things were going to happen anyway, just that the government were in denial about it and still claiming it was unaffordable. It may indeed be unaffordable but there is no pragmatic alternative.

    Public sector pay will have to go up by about 5% regardless of the administration or leader
    Energy bills and fuel will need further subsidy and/or lower taxes regardless as well

    Corporation tax is a weird (and silly) one to focus on though.
    The focus on corporation tax, is that it was Rishi Sunak’s flagship policy as Chancellor.
    Actually, more like Osborne’s flagship policy which Sunak pledged to reverse.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    Jonathan said:

    Mourdant looks beatable. Not the threat she was supposed to be. Where is Truss?

    I see 4 possible reasons for your Penny bashing. 1. She is the option that as a Labourite you fear the most. 2. You are on a relentless mission to try and prove your theory that no non-cabinet minister or opposition leader ever becomes PM. 3. A combination of 1. And 2. 4. It's all a double bluff, you don't rate Penny, and you want to subliminally help her become a lame duck leader by throwing your support elsewhere.

    I am inclined toward 3.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632

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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    I was wondering how many times TSE has made the "more fucked than a stepmom joke".

    Part 1

    Boris Johnson = Stepmom and stepsister on Pornhub.
    Chelsea = Stepmom on pornhub.
    Boris = Stepmom on a niche website Tories with Boris Johnson as leader the next election = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Australia = Stepmom Jos Buttler = Stepson
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    He’s in stepmom territory. He’s also a Brexiteer which is why he loses and Hunt holds on easily.
    I officially declare Boris Johnson more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub whatever the result tonight.
    In ordinary times Raab should be a like a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Wales, more f*cked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    Final thought for the night, don't have nightmares. Boris Johnson = Stepmom on Pornhub.
    Yup, you're like a stepmom on a niche website. Order in plenty of hot broth.
    Boeing are going to be more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub aren't they?
    Right now Manchester United are getting more fecked than a stepmom on pornhub.
    If you've missed the match tonight then here's a summary. Ukraine = Stepmom on pornhub England = Stepson on pornhub
    It took all my self restraint to use doomed in the headline than 'more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub'.
    We're more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151
    If this Opinium poll turns out be accurate then Labour are more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
    My predictions hold true. 1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. 2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
    Not subtle enough, it's more 'Trump's victory means America, if not the world, is more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.'
    Mrs Sunak announces she will pay UK taxes on her overseas income. Still think Rishi is more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub over his green card.
    Congratulations. You do realise your sleep patterns for the foreseeable future are like a stepmom on pornhub, totally fucked.
    There are stepmoms on Pornhub less fucked than Boris Johnson right now. Minister: “We think some of the whips have flipped”. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1483514495150526475
    What a dump and even more scarily this is the place the government is hoping that comes up with a vaccine? We’re more fecked than a Stepmom on pornhub.

    It’s a lovely day. Go out and enjoy the sun
    I've been out weeding the garden. It's like 20 degrees out there, it's like the fucking Congo.
    It’s your wet bulbs, Farooq.

    Death Valley isn’t surrounded by water.

    Other places are hotter longer than us, but they have air con expecting it - I was still using sofa blanket in June.
    Can we leave my wet bulb out of this?
    It’s completely central to it Farooq. Once your wet bulb reaches 100% of wet bulbness, you will die.

    The front of tonight’s Daily Star will tell you that you have only about 7 days.

    In the alternative scenario, if you are going out on the 30th, wear a bra.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    MrEd said:

    Hunt on BBC

    pro Rwanda policy

    against abolishing BBC license

    pro net zero by 2050

    no indyref2 for 10 years

    will not lockdown again

    Esther McVey deputy PM

    Esther McVey as deputy is interesting because until this morning, she was not listed as endorsing him. Does Hunt have a list of non-public endorsements lined up to imply momentum, or just her?
    FWIW, I think McVey as Deputy is a very smart move by Hunt. Not only does it give the ERG some reassurance but she's also got kudos with the Red Wall MPs and provided a lot of the thinking around levelling up. She also negates the effect of Rayner when it comes to having a chippy Northerner.

    I think this helps Hunt a lot.

    It's a fair point - again we need to consider the target market.
    What seems a bizarre choice to reasonably rational outsiders might well appeal to the basket of curiosities who make up the Conservative membership.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,380
    kle4 said:

    It could well impact their attempts at reinvention - they may not be able to switch everything around like they they are saying.

    What we’re getting here is the leadership contest you normally get AFTER a party loses an election - with promises of returning to the true gospel now the constraints of office are off. Which usually doesn’t matter because those promising the earth… stay in opposition for years

    https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1546056122825670658?cxt=HHwWhIC8vcb22PQqAAAA

    That's a really good point. They're campaigning as if they're in opposition, when it's relatively easy to disavow both what the current government is doing, and what your own party did when it was last in power. But I'm not sure it works so well when your own party has been in power for 12 years, and still is.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Tugendhat at 20-1 looks a bit long considering his backing.
    Think he's quite transfer friendly for when (I think) Hunt and Javid get knocked out
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