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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    It’s likely A high number of signatures like 20 to get into the first round, so declaring and being in are two different things.

    It’s only Rishi, Truss, Tom and Penny we can be sure are on the first ballot right now I think. Once we are talking about 25 to 40 signatory to be in one of the ballots, then just those 4?
    Braverman will make 25 I fear.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Nor am I having a go at predicting tonight’s Opinum. Except to remind When we get it, remember with swing back built in it’s never given Labour more than 38 or Tories less than 33.

    Okay I will have a go, 38 to 32/33 is my best guess.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    It can also be revealed that Boris Johnson, home secretary Priti Patel and the Cabinet Office were all informed of the investigations.

    So Boris Johnson knew this and still decided to make Zahawi his Chancellor.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    It can also be revealed that Boris Johnson, home secretary Priti Patel and the Cabinet Office were all informed of the investigations.

    So Boris Johnson knew this and still decided to make Zahawi his Chancellor.
    Bloody hell

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Not another Britain Trump!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    We’ve got Liz and Penny to come for sure (unless Penny withdraws. No way will Liz not run). Nadine was threatening to run too. Javid will unless he has done a deal. So we could be looking at 10 candidates.
    GoNads#
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    It can also be revealed that Boris Johnson, home secretary Priti Patel and the Cabinet Office were all informed of the investigations.

    So Boris Johnson knew this and still decided to make Zahawi his Chancellor.
    Or to be fair, if you can fiddle for yourself so successfully you could fiddle on behalf of Britain so successfully too.

    If you want a painting, hire an artist.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,696
    "The leadership contest will be as much about character as policy, but a senior party source warned that whoever wins will face more sleaze scandals. “There are two dozen unexploded bombs, cases of scandal that are ready to explode that the new leader will inherit"

    Popcorn Popcorn Popcorn
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Meanwhile…..

    Worth adding this to the talk about attacking weapons depots. Ukraine also using its new range systems to go after Russian command and control. That’s definitely US doctrine, and if they can seriously degrade both Russian supply and command in the Kherson area, watch out.

    https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1545816560564146176
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    It can also be revealed that Boris Johnson, home secretary Priti Patel and the Cabinet Office were all informed of the investigations.

    So Boris Johnson knew this and still decided to make Zahawi his Chancellor.
    He probably forgot
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited July 2022
    MrEd said:

    No. If you are going to do ruthlessness, you need a certain class about it. Zahawi's moves were much too brazen. It's also unclear whether anything will come out about him from his business days.

    nico679 said:

    If Zahawi had not become Chancellor and got a gold medal for duplicity he would have had a better chance .

    I thought the idea was that someone had to be CoE or there'd be a run on the pound when the markets opened. Perhaps he was just doing his duty.
    The true story of what happened between Boris and Zahawi is going to be fascinating when it comes out (and it will).

    The rumours the day before BoJo resigned were that Zahawi had essentially told him he’d quit cabinet unless Boris made him Chancellor (Boris was apparently thinking of reshuffling Truss into that role too). Then Zahawi told him to go anyway.

    Of course a lot of that could be false rumour and speculation. But I do think Zahawi comes out of it badly regardless.
    Some might see that as ruthlessness that is both self-serving and in a good cause. Not sure this will damage his chances as lancing the Boris boil is increasingly going to be seen as essential to Tory electoral prospects.
    But just how ruthless was Zahawi? As we don't know what was said, understood and/or pledged between them?

    Speculative possibility: BJ asks Z to be CoE, they discuss economics but NOT politics; BJ assumes Z's his man, whereas Z has made zero pledge on THAT score. Agreed to become CoE at time of obvious crisis NOT to shore up BJ. He (and others) say - or rather sputter - but, but, that was understood! However, with zero explicit commitment.

    Just speculation, but is there any evidence refuting it?

    EDIT - had NOT seen news re: Z's tax issue before posting above, though unsure how it might have affected his appt as CoE by BJ.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    It can also be revealed that Boris Johnson, home secretary Priti Patel and the Cabinet Office were all informed of the investigations.

    So Boris Johnson knew this and still decided to make Zahawi his Chancellor.
    It's all going really well so far this contest isn't it.

    Pass the popcorn.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    any celebrity endorsers for candidates ? Obviously Grant Shapps has Alan Partridge
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723

    Feels wine o’clock (I did have a couple of beers at lunchtime, if anyone’s worried that I’m starting so late)

    WARNING - Your wine has gone blue in the bottle! Unless it's blueberry NOT a good sign!!

    AND that brown splotch on the wall looks suspiciously like a space alien from distant galaxy!!!
    Oh God, not aliens again!
  • Who would Labour voters most like as Tory leader?

    I know there are two different answers; who would be easiest to beat, or if you can't beat them who would be best as PM?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    Look no further than Rishi and Mordaunt.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723
    Sri Lanka is the canary in the coal mine isn't it?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Roger said:

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    Look no further than Rishi and Mordaunt.
    Francodamus as someone said!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    IshmaelZ said:

    If it wasn't for Chris Pincher, this story would have finished off Boris Johnson.

    Boris Johnson lobbied for a job for a young woman who claims he abused his power to have a sexual relationship with her.

    The then London mayor and MP for Henley advocated for her to get a job in City Hall weeks after meeting her and bringing her back to his parliamentary office.

    The appointment was blocked because Johnson’s colleague, the newly appointed Cabinet Office minister Kit Malthouse, said they appeared to have an inappropriately close relationship.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-pushed-for-woman-to-get-city-hall-job-during-abuse-of-power-relationship-nzxsfjmq6

    Expecting much much more of this
    I think we're all looking forward to it
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    dixiedean said:

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    It’s likely A high number of signatures like 20 to get into the first round, so declaring and being in are two different things.

    It’s only Rishi, Truss, Tom and Penny we can be sure are on the first ballot right now I think. Once we are talking about 25 to 40 signatory to be in one of the ballots, then just those 4?
    Braverman will make 25 I fear.
    An interesting question, rather as when we discuss Scottish, is how far this election is driven by ideology and how far by personal liking. If we think of Badenoch, Braverman and Truss as all appealing to the right, then they're already on 24, but while I can see them rallying behind Truss, I'm not sure the others are that transfer-friendly. So if Sunak is comfortably sure of reaching th elast two, we may see some tactical games with his supporters trying to get Braverman (who probably wouldn't win a members' vote) ahead of Truss (who probably would).
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,837
    dixiedean said:

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    It’s likely A high number of signatures like 20 to get into the first round, so declaring and being in are two different things.

    It’s only Rishi, Truss, Tom and Penny we can be sure are on the first ballot right now I think. Once we are talking about 25 to 40 signatory to be in one of the ballots, then just those 4?
    Braverman will make 25 I fear.
    And then what? A massive groundswell of support to emerge? Or more likely kicked out in the second round.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    I have been reading through Philipp Dettmer's "Immune", and on page 121 he reminded me of this: "In human words: You find potential partners with MHC molecules that are different from yours more attractive! OK, wait, what? How would you even know this? Well, you can literally smell the difference!"

    If your children have a wider variety of major histocompatibility complex molecules, they will be better able to resist a wider variety of diseases, giving them an evolutionary advantage.

    (As far as I know, none of the match-making internet sites currently offer a smell test, but I could wrong.)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Surely Zahawi has to resign from his post and withdraw from the contest on those revelations?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    dixiedean said:

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    It’s likely A high number of signatures like 20 to get into the first round, so declaring and being in are two different things.

    It’s only Rishi, Truss, Tom and Penny we can be sure are on the first ballot right now I think. Once we are talking about 25 to 40 signatory to be in one of the ballots, then just those 4?
    Braverman will make 25 I fear.
    An interesting question, rather as when we discuss Scottish, is how far this election is driven by ideology and how far by personal liking. If we think of Badenoch, Braverman and Truss as all appealing to the right, then they're already on 24, but while I can see them rallying behind Truss, I'm not sure the others are that transfer-friendly. So if Sunak is comfortably sure of reaching th elast two, we may see some tactical games with his supporters trying to get Braverman (who probably wouldn't win a members' vote) ahead of Truss (who probably would).
    Was just thinking same thing, though far less cogently.

    Who gets axed from round to round, and who benefits from transfer patterns AND strategic vote-hording AND -lending? With the end game being almost all.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Who would Labour voters most like as Tory leader?

    I know there are two different answers; who would be easiest to beat, or if you can't beat them who would be best as PM?

    I think Libdems would fear Truss or Mourdant most for swing back of female voters in blue wall?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Surely Zahawi has to resign from his post and withdraw from the contest on those revelations?

    Something something all above board something, will stay and clear my name

    Can't see why the party would risk it though - what if he is wrong after all?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    My guess is that, while there is almost certainly going to be an attack vs Kherson, where the Ukrainians will really launch their strike is against the Melitopol / Mariupol area. If they make major advances there, it leaves the Russian forces in Kherson in a potential pincer trap.

    Meanwhile…..

    Worth adding this to the talk about attacking weapons depots. Ukraine also using its new range systems to go after Russian command and control. That’s definitely US doctrine, and if they can seriously degrade both Russian supply and command in the Kherson area, watch out.

    https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1545816560564146176

  • Who would Labour voters most like as Tory leader?

    I know there are two different answers; who would be easiest to beat, or if you can't beat them who would be best as PM?

    I think Libdems would fear Truss or Mourdant most for swing back of female voters in blue wall?
    Surely Mordaunt would scare anyone more than Truss?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    These Sunday Papers already looking brutal for a few candidates 😟 how long has some of this stuff been sat on by papers, or now leaked by someone else sitting on it?
    Given how many stories there have been about the Golden Retriever I’m guessing that they couldn’t spare the column inches.

    I picked a poor week to go on a diet. The amount of popcorn I could consume…
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    dixiedean said:

    How many more are going to declare? Such a ridiculous number of candidates

    It’s likely A high number of signatures like 20 to get into the first round, so declaring and being in are two different things.

    It’s only Rishi, Truss, Tom and Penny we can be sure are on the first ballot right now I think. Once we are talking about 25 to 40 signatory to be in one of the ballots, then just those 4?
    Braverman will make 25 I fear.
    An interesting question, rather as when we discuss Scottish, is how far this election is driven by ideology and how far by personal liking. If we think of Badenoch, Braverman and Truss as all appealing to the right, then they're already on 24, but while I can see them rallying behind Truss, I'm not sure the others are that transfer-friendly. So if Sunak is comfortably sure of reaching th elast two, we may see some tactical games with his supporters trying to get Braverman (who probably wouldn't win a members' vote) ahead of Truss (who probably would).
    It’s true to expect a bit of difference of opinion between the last 2 candidates where possible? Left-right in terms of fiscal conservatism, social conservatism etc?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    edited July 2022
    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,962
    kyf_100 said:

    Farooq said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    In response to @maxh who asked this-

    "What do you make of the argument that if, say, someone could never, ever be attracted to a person of a significantly different skin colour, we might affirm their personal choice and yet still suggest that they harboured a societal prejudice? And that a similar prejudice is on display for someone (whatever their sexual orientation) that would not ever consider having sex with a trans person?

    Is
    (a) the idea this is prejudiced wrong?
    (b) correct, but not applicable to the case of trans people because of the physical difference in genitalia?
    (c) something else going on?"

    My answer is that to confuse a sexual preference with societal prejudice is to make a fundamental category mistake.

    A sexual preference is innate & strongly correlated with a person's body. If you're gay you want to have sex with people of the same sex. If you're straight you want sex with the opposite sex. It is the sex of the partner which is key. Body and sex are intimately connected.

    So a gay man is not prejudiced against women because he does not want to have sex with them. There is no prejudice or bigotry. The basic sexual attraction simply does not exist. Ditto with a lesbian not wanting to have sex with a man. It is not societal preferences which determine this but your own sexuality.

    Now TRAs have got themselves into a pickle because while they may well feel themselves to be a different sex, their actual body has not changed. (The overwhelming majority of transpeople do not have surgery so retain the body they were born with.) Whatever they may feel however genuinely, the factual reality is that a lesbian is not going to be sexually attracted to a male body. Similarly a gay man is not going to be attracted a trans man retaining their female body. That is not prejudice or bigotry. It is a consequence of their sexuality.

    TRAs are not willing to accept this because it undermines their claim that, say, a TW is just like any other woman. She isn't & in a very fundamental way. Sex is the rock on which the belief TRAs have crashes and founders. Rather than accept this, they describe a normal sexual preference as bigotry & preference belittle & demean lesbians by claiming that men are lesbians. It is aggressive, upsetting & infused with a rape mentality - a coercive approach which assumes that they are entitled to sex with women & any woman refusing this has no business doing so.

    If a white person is only attracted to other white people, is that prejudice?

    I agree that what genitals you are attracted to is not a prejudice, but does that generalise to other features?
    Sex is one of those things that proves we're all capitalists, and proves the ruthlessness of capitalism at the same time.

    In sex, there's no redistribution. There's no "look at those poor people over there, they aren't getting any, we should take some partners off the people who are getting loads and give them to the poor deprived people." We lionise the billionares of the sex world. The most beautiful. The most active. The most - dare I say it - privileged.

    I'm not saying I disagree with any of that, by the way. Just making the point that even the staunchest communist, who would be willing to redistribute income, food, housing, practically everything else to make people equal - would find the idea of sexual "equality" absurd.
    Without commenting on the substance of what you're saying, redistribution and capitalism go together quite nicely. Capitalism does not imply a lack of redistribution, and, I firmly believe, cannot possibly survive without redistribution.
    Which is why our attitudes to sex are all the more remarkable. The sexual marketplace is hyper-capitalism, rapacious capitalism, ayn-rand-style-tyranny-of-the-market-capitalism.

    The idea of redistribution in the sexual marketplace is repugnant to us. The notion of coercion, abhorrent. We are happy to have 40% of our incomes taken off us, but 40% of our sexual partners given to those unluckier in love than we are would be ridiculous.

    The sexual marketplace accepts absolutely zero compulsion, whether that's being forced to sleep with an ugly person, or a person whose bits you aren't attracted to.

    As I say, it says something fascinating about human nature.
    At the end of the day there are about equal numbers of good looking, average looking and ugly looking men and women. If more followed traditional religious principles and stuck to one partner who matched them in looks and personality for life there would be less of an issue.

    Only a small minority of us are very good looking or will be very rich so better to settle for what you have
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587

    Sri Lanka is the canary in the coal mine isn't it?

    Not per se a Ukraine issue. A batshit insane fertilizer ban you-must-grow-everything-organically issue.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,900
    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Proof that Boris learned nothing from Pinchergate.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Someone said Priti Patel was standing and I laughed.

    ...........But they were being serious. Anyone with a vote must listen to Dead Ringers.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    carnforth said:

    Sri Lanka is the canary in the coal mine isn't it?

    Not per se a Ukraine issue. A batshit insane fertilizer ban you-must-grow-everything-organically issue.
    https://itif.org/publications/2021/09/23/how-sri-lankas-organic-decree-created-trouble-paradise/
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Who would Labour voters most like as Tory leader?

    I know there are two different answers; who would be easiest to beat, or if you can't beat them who would be best as PM?

    I think Libdems would fear Truss or Mourdant most for swing back of female voters in blue wall?
    Surely Mordaunt would scare anyone more than Truss?
    I agree yes, but at same time try to think it not as myself but as a Tory member. In a way it’s easy for me as both my mum and dad have a vote. My mum voted leave and wants Truss. My dad voted remain but wants Rishi to restore Conservative fiscal policies. I’ve never voted Conservative but am rooting for the woke Penny Mourdant.

    Secondly it’s women the Tories lost under the laddish Johnson, more than men, surely this is built into the good Libdem results?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,837
    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Proof that Boris learned nothing from Pinchergate.
    As I keep saying: VONC now. Get him out of there asap.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.
    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    Voters don’t care. See Jacinda Ardern.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I have been reading through Philipp Dettmer's "Immune", and on page 121 he reminded me of this: "In human words: You find potential partners with MHC molecules that are different from yours more attractive! OK, wait, what? How would you even know this? Well, you can literally smell the difference!"

    If your children have a wider variety of major histocompatibility complex molecules, they will be better able to resist a wider variety of diseases, giving them an evolutionary advantage.

    (As far as I know, none of the match-making internet sites currently offer a smell test, but I could wrong.)

    You may have stumbled upon a golden opportunity, seeing as how you are in sweet (-smelling) spot tech-wise out there in Redmond!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    The fact that the Chancellor is under investigation by the HMRC (and previously the SFO); and that this was known by Boris, is a new low for the United Kingdom.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    I've been surprised with how well Braverman has done. I am not a supporter, but even if her endorsements stop now, she's not done badly.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
    No, it would be a bit odd for him to have stepped up.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,837

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    Voters don’t care. See Jacinda Ardern.
    Been with her partner since 2013. And she was unusually young in becoming prime minister.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Sri Lanka is the canary in the coal mine isn't it?

    Yes. The emerging markets are being crushed by a double pincer of (1) rising commodity prices and (2) a collapse of the currencies vs the dollar, against which most commodities are priced, and hence a double whammy on the cost front for these countries.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    Voters don’t care. See Jacinda Ardern.
    After BJ think that Madame Whiplash would pass the scandalous lifestyle sniff test, let alone Miss Penny.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    Sunak was also in despair about Johnson’s governance more generally. One close ally said: “The thing that gets his goat most, and what he said most, is that the government was not delivering on the things it said it would. Take the Covid backlogs: we gave the NHS lots of money and took the political pain for the tax rise — but there was no grip. Why weren’t we having a weekly meeting about the backlogs? Why wasn’t there a data dashboard making this a priority? Where are the 40 hospitals and the thousands of new nurses? That’s the thing that’s truly unforgivable.”

    Another minister contrasted this record with the Downing Street parties: “Boris couldn’t run a piss-up in a brewery, but he did run a piss-up in Downing Street.”

    Sunak was also clear that he would not go out and defend Downing Street disinformation on Pincher — a view widely shared by cabinet ministers. A cabinet source said: “The Tory party has finally come to the realisation that it’s in an abusive relationship with the prime minister.”

    Another minister said: “The problem with Boris is his personal pronouns, which are me, me and me.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-the-cat-with-nine-lives-has-finally-been-neutered-nq7hnwndv
  • I have a spatchcock poussin in the oven. It says it serves two; I plan to challenge that assertion.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    I have a spatchcock poussin in the oven. It says it serves two; I plan to challenge that assertion.

    Looks fantastic!
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    I think Braverman is picking up votes because, for the ERG faction, that's not really anyone else they trust. Definitely not Truss, Sunak or Zahawi.

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    I've been surprised with how well Braverman has done. I am not a supporter, but even if her endorsements stop now, she's not done badly.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
    There is, though, isn't there? SFO and HMRC don't investigate you with a view to awarding good conduct certificates
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    That's Zahawi more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub. Clear lay on the betting markets

    Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi’s tax affairs under investigation by HMRC

    Exclusive: Revelation comes as Mr Zahawi launches bid to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chancellor-nadhim-zahawi-tax-investigation-hmrc-b2119590.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    LOL! Bye, bye Nadhim. Hope you enjoyed your time on the spotlight! :D
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
    There is, though, isn't there? SFO and HMRC don't investigate you with a view to awarding good conduct certificates
    Innocent until proven guilty, but the investigation has been ongoing for some time.

    There’s no way in hell he should be anywhere an economic post.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,962

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    Ted Heath managed it, despite being unmarried and without a partner
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
    There is, though, isn't there? SFO and HMRC don't investigate you with a view to awarding good conduct certificates
    He was education secretary. Maybe HMRC are going to be like Ofsted and award his taxes an “Outstanding” rating?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    I would rather have an unmarried Mordaunt than another Cherie type spouse....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,134

    Who would Labour voters most like as Tory leader?

    I know there are two different answers; who would be easiest to beat, or if you can't beat them who would be best as PM?

    I'm more LibDem than Labour, but I dunno. Clearly none of the candidates are going to align with my political views; has anybody scored them on the non-partisan virtues of competence, honesty, diligence, practicality and compassion ? I feel like No 10 could use some of those -- and it would be useful to have an idea of how likely it is that whoever wins will effectively make policy changes that work (by their ideological standards, even if not by mine).
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    Voters don’t care. See Jacinda Ardern.
    They shouldn’t, but I suspect Ardern’s support skews a lot younger than UK Tories.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    He said, in a clip from his student days, that he didn’t know any working class people.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    Voters don’t care. See Jacinda Ardern.
    And, er, Boris Johnson. lol
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    He said, in a clip from his student days, that he didn’t know any working class people.

    That bland statement is not quite how it comes across.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    He said, in a clip from his student days, that he didn’t know any working class people.

    Not great... But we all do/say foolish things when we're young. Damaging but probably not fatal.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    Voters don’t care. See Jacinda Ardern.
    They shouldn’t, but I suspect Ardern’s support skews a lot younger than UK Tories.
    Elderly UK Tories have been happy to overlook Boris’s serial debauches so I doubt they give two figs that Mordaunt is unmarried.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,053

    The fact that the Chancellor is under investigation by the HMRC (and previously the SFO); and that this was known by Boris, is a new low for the United Kingdom.

    Look on the bright side (being careful how I phrase this) - he’s very knowledgable of the things he needs to legislate against.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1545781532727644161
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Another pro-Rishi line from The Times.

    Someone asked @rcs1000 what they didn't like about Sunak. Can't answer for him but here's mine.

    - Slimy / untrustworthy
    - Totally wrong policies for what is happening - we are facing a bunch of the population not being able to heat their homes and he talks about cutting costs. How about raising wealth taxes / eliminating loopholes for the wealthy (eg the tax rate on PE investments) to get money from those who benefited off the years of cheap money?
    - Hypocrisy - he talks about balancing the books and the need to make sacrifices except when it comes to his wife's non-dom's status
    - Obviously couldn't give a fuck about the poor
    - Worked for TCI - which, for me, would raise possible red flags

    Sunak was also in despair about Johnson’s governance more generally. One close ally said: “The thing that gets his goat most, and what he said most, is that the government was not delivering on the things it said it would. Take the Covid backlogs: we gave the NHS lots of money and took the political pain for the tax rise — but there was no grip. Why weren’t we having a weekly meeting about the backlogs? Why wasn’t there a data dashboard making this a priority? Where are the 40 hospitals and the thousands of new nurses? That’s the thing that’s truly unforgivable.”

    Another minister contrasted this record with the Downing Street parties: “Boris couldn’t run a piss-up in a brewery, but he did run a piss-up in Downing Street.”

    Sunak was also clear that he would not go out and defend Downing Street disinformation on Pincher — a view widely shared by cabinet ministers. A cabinet source said: “The Tory party has finally come to the realisation that it’s in an abusive relationship with the prime minister.”

    Another minister said: “The problem with Boris is his personal pronouns, which are me, me and me.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-the-cat-with-nine-lives-has-finally-been-neutered-nq7hnwndv

  • TresTres Posts: 2,696

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    I would rather have an unmarried Mordaunt than another Cherie type spouse....
    ah time for the PB misogynists to come out and play
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,790

    I have a spatchcock poussin in the oven. It says it serves two; I plan to challenge that assertion.

    I thought I was doing well with a steak, pickled mushrooms and a green salad. Now I'm jealous!
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    Who would Labour voters most like as Tory leader?

    I know there are two different answers; who would be easiest to beat, or if you can't beat them who would be best as PM?

    As it’s likely to be a Leaver I’d go for Sunak as he might be more pragmatic re the EU and won’t want a trade war . I also think he’d be less divisive at home . In terms of more beatable for Labour the rest of the Leavers on show !
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    dixiedean said:

    LOL at
    The PM's "preferred pronouns are me, me and me.

    Yes!

    That’s a fantastic quote.

    I’m gonna use it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    The Ukrainian army began planting mines on the border with Belarus, including major road and railway crossings. Video from the Belarusian side:

    https://twitter.com/tadeuszgiczan/status/1545831789553491968
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,900
    edited July 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1545781532727644161
    After Cameron and Boris, I doubt voters will be shocked that a Conservative Prime Minister is a bit posh.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    The establishment are trying to make sure the impeccably loaded Rishi is a shoo-in.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    .

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1545781532727644161
    After Cameron and Boris, I doubt voters will be shocked that a Conservative Prime Minister is a bit posh.
    They could easily feel they have had enough of that, though. And Cams n Boris were a bit better at it, the gaucherie of that sunil clip is awesome
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Exactly. Hopefully, there's enough MPs out there who stop him. I think he's a c*nt.

    The establishment are trying to make sure the impeccably loaded Rishi is a shoo-in.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,079
    Sri Lanka instituted major tax cuts and now it’s about to default on its debts.

    A lesson for some Tory leadership candidates?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    He said, in a clip from his student days, that he didn’t know any working class people.

    That’s not exactly disqualifying.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited July 2022
    MrEd said:

    Exactly. Hopefully, there's enough MPs out there who stop him. I think he's a c*nt.

    The establishment are trying to make sure the impeccably loaded Rishi is a shoo-in.

    Me too! And for remarkably the same reasons as you, considering we are ideological enemies.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Tres said:

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    I would rather have an unmarried Mordaunt than another Cherie type spouse....
    ah time for the PB misogynists to come out and play
    Ah the joys of ad hominem attacks...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I have a spatchcock poussin in the oven. It says it serves two; I plan to challenge that assertion.

    "Liked" this display of conspicuous consumption (!) even as I sit down to lukewarm bowl of gruel that Oliver Twist would have thrown against the workhouse wall.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    On this one subject, great minds think alike 😀

    MrEd said:

    Exactly. Hopefully, there's enough MPs out there who stop him. I think he's a c*nt.

    The establishment are trying to make sure the impeccably loaded Rishi is a shoo-in.

    Me too! And for remarkably the same reasons as you, considering we are ideological enemies.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    He said, in a clip from his student days, that he didn’t know any working class people.

    This shows why it pays to be on a first-name basis with the help.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
    There is, though, isn't there? SFO and HMRC don't investigate you with a view to awarding good conduct certificates
    But then as Keir has just shown us, being investigated doesnt mean youve been a naughty boy. Short of specifics its just a 'look, manure!' story
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    MrEd said:

    Another pro-Rishi line from The Times.

    Someone asked @rcs1000 what they didn't like about Sunak. Can't answer for him but here's mine.

    - Slimy / untrustworthy
    - Totally wrong policies for what is happening - we are facing a bunch of the population not being able to heat their homes and he talks about cutting costs. How about raising wealth taxes / eliminating loopholes for the wealthy (eg the tax rate on PE investments) to get money from those who benefited off the years of cheap money?
    - Hypocrisy - he talks about balancing the books and the need to make sacrifices except when it comes to his wife's non-dom's status
    - Obviously couldn't give a fuck about the poor
    - Worked for TCI - which, for me, would raise possible red flags



    Can't argue with any of those to be fair...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723
    OnboardG1 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    He said, in a clip from his student days, that he didn’t know any working class people.

    That’s not exactly disqualifying.
    Isn't that an honest answer?

    I suppose it depends what you mean by "know"? The college catering staff were probably working class.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,876

    Sri Lanka instituted major tax cuts and now it’s about to default on its debts.

    A lesson for some Tory leadership candidates?

    What the President and his family did was substantially cut taxes for the very wealthy many of whom were their friends and associates.

    This of course meant there was no money coming in to the Treasury and ultimately this led to the country being unable to buy imported goods so there are massive shortages of food, fuel, medicine and God knows what else.

    The notion a very rich man should be popular because he cuts taxes for primarily his very rich friends (look how much tax they are paying! We must help them) while the poor run out of food and medicine seems absurd.

    Could never happen here...
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    I don’t think being extremely rich should be a barrier to become PM .

    But you need to show you can understand real life concerns .
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    @rcs1000 I believe you are a Goldmans alum as is Sunak. Did you know him from those days?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
    There is, though, isn't there? SFO and HMRC don't investigate you with a view to awarding good conduct certificates
    But then as Keir has just shown us, being investigated doesnt mean youve been a naughty boy. Short of specifics its just a 'look, manure!' story
    That’s fair. I think this reflects more badly on Johnson. He appointed someone being investigated for some tax issue to No 11. As the internet saying goes: dafuq?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    OnboardG1 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    He said, in a clip from his student days, that he didn’t know any working class people.

    That’s not exactly disqualifying.
    Indeed. I very much doubt any of us can be certain that we didn't say some foolish things in our student days.

    People are allowed to have had lives that were less than perfect before entering politics.

    If the best they can do is dig up 20 year old stuff like that, they don't have a lot of dirt.

    Let's also remember that the new leader will be facing two knights as leaders on the opposition benches...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Tres said:

    My concern for Mordaunt would be over her non-married status. It wouldn't bother me but it would be an issue for a fair number of ordinary voters.

    I would rather have an unmarried Mordaunt than another Cherie type spouse....
    ah time for the PB misogynists to come out and play
    A prime example of the PB gammon-dressed-as-woke. Mordaunt is straight so any spouse would be male, so where does misogyny come in to that? Cherie Blair was a ghastly human being in her own right, but you secretly think that it's just not on to have a go at the memsahibs, do you hear, because you can't apply the same high standards to the laydeez as the chaps. Weaker sex, what?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723

    IshmaelZ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MrEd said:

    So:

    - Hunt - basically out
    - Sunak - about to get taken down with his comments about the working class already circulating
    - Zahawi - taken down
    - Truss - struggling to get momentum
    - Badenoch - surprisingly getting some momentum from the RW crowd but can it be sustained.

    This is going to be a great contest from a betting standpoint

    ps please let Nadine run - it would be hilarious.


    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    What's Rishi Rich allegedly said about "the poor" ?
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1545781532727644161
    After Cameron and Boris, I doubt voters will be shocked that a Conservative Prime Minister is a bit posh.
    Some one is feeding Labour their carefully archived collection of dirt on Sunak me thinks.

    Who could that be?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Putting a bloke being investigated by HMRC in charge of the Treasury surely tops everything else Boris has done by a country mile, doesn't it?

    Edit:

    Makes Zahawi's behaviour entirely explicable.

    Tbf the article also says 'there is no suggestion Mr Zahawi has done anything wrong'
    So it would be a bit odd for him to stand down
    There is, though, isn't there? SFO and HMRC don't investigate you with a view to awarding good conduct certificates
    But then as Keir has just shown us, being investigated doesnt mean youve been a naughty boy. Short of specifics its just a 'look, manure!' story
    Comedy plod investigations is one thing, SFO and HMRC is another.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,834

    Who would Labour voters most like as Tory leader?

    I know there are two different answers; who would be easiest to beat, or if you can't beat them who would be best as PM?

    I think Libdems would fear Truss or Mourdant most for swing back of female voters in blue wall?
    Surely Mordaunt would scare anyone more than Truss?
    I agree yes, but at same time try to think it not as myself but as a Tory member. In a way it’s easy for me as both my mum and dad have a vote. My mum voted leave and wants Truss. My dad voted remain but wants Rishi to restore Conservative fiscal policies. I’ve never voted Conservative but am rooting for the woke Penny Mourdant.

    Secondly it’s women the Tories lost under the laddish Johnson, more than men, surely this is built into the good Libdem results?
    Penny looks OK :)
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