Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
Do you have a list of people that most make you angry and follow them on Twitter? Whenever you feel that you are becoming a little too easy going and on the path to wokedom you verbally flagellate yourself with the opinions of Christina Pagel, or some anti-British Irishman from County Wicklow
Ironically, Pagel caught covid a few months ago iirc.
Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
If only she would restrict her social media activities, not just her social activities.
A rare positive take. People may disagree what merit is being looked for here - for both Sunak and Zahawi it was to be a loyal patsy after the previous guy quit - but it is probably true that Boris doesn't give a crap about the ethnicity of those he appoints, which is a good thing.
Not the day’s biggest news, but having the Conservatives appoint a third ethnic minority chancellor in a row - all not just on merit but as the obvious candidate - says very good things about this country.
But Zahawi wasn't obvious at all. Not least because, as I pointed out above, he is a chemical engineer who founded a polling company. He has no noticeable economic knowledge or experience. Less than me in fact.
Before becoming MPs:
Ken Clarke read Law and then went straight into politics Gordon Brown was a Lecturer in Politics and then a Journalist Alistair Darling was a Solicitor George Osborne was a Journalist with a degree in History
Before Hammond, the last CoE to have any background in economics or finance was Norman Lamont in 1993.
Interesting to see whether Zahawi has an opportunity to cut corporation tax.
My understanding is that the Treasury discovered that firms merely pocketed the tax cuts and paid it out in dividends - often to overseas owners - rather than making capital investments in their own businesses.
Hence it was hiked, and generous write-offs provided for capital expenditures instead.
OMG.
Who gives a feck.
He will be gone by the end of summer and no one will give a otter's arse what the hell he does in next six weeks.
This regime is ending.
It's only ending any time soon if the Tory leadership rules are changed, a second confidence vote is then called, and Johnson loses said vote. It's very far from certain that things will come to that. It would require the Tory rebels to feel very confident that they had the numbers to win this time, and for all those MPs to then go through with doing the deed.
As I suggested in the previous thread, the Tory Parliamentary party may very well be too divided, and therefore too weak, confused and frightened, to commit. Because failing to dispatch Johnson for a second time would almost certainly mean that they were stuck with him until the next election - something that everyone outside of the loyalist faction would sincerely wish to avoid.
The rules are likely to change very soon and only 33 more names are needed to axe Johnson
A rare positive take. People may disagree what merit is being looked for here - for both Sunak and Zahawi it was to be a loyal patsy after the previous guy quit - but it is probably true that Boris doesn't give a crap about the ethnicity of those he appoints, which is a good thing.
Not the day’s biggest news, but having the Conservatives appoint a third ethnic minority chancellor in a row - all not just on merit but as the obvious candidate - says very good things about this country.
But Zahawi wasn't obvious at all. Not least because, as I pointed out above, he is a chemical engineer who founded a polling company. He has no noticeable economic knowledge or experience. Less than me in fact.
Before becoming MPs:
Ken Clarke read Law and then went straight into politics Gordon Brown was a Lecturer in Politics and then a Journalist Alistair Darling was a Solicitor George Osborne was a Journalist with a degree in History
Before Hammond, the last CoE to have any background in economics or finance was Norman Lamont in 1993.
Well yes. And isn't that all part of the problem? At least Truss has summat relevant on her CV?
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
I've got little confidence the situation will improve because of 'government surveys'. Too blunt. A softer approach, linking state funding with commitments to viewpoint diversity and freedom of speech would probably be more effective.
But it is, at least, a start
Extirpating Extreme Wokeness from Academe is an urgent need. That’s where CRT came from: the universities
If only you knew as much about US universities and CRT as you do about AI.
I think you're so embedded into ground zero of liberal California you fail to recognise CRT for the cancer it is.
CRT is a bogeyman invented by the Right to dogwhistle racism. The people pushing CRT fears are the people who claim Trump won the election and that COVID vaccines are dangerous.
CRT is a real thing invented by the Left to practice actual racism.
CRT contains much that is wrong, a fair amount which is unobjectionable, and a few things which are probably right but which are very uncomfortable.
The parts that look at the fact that we are all - at times - racist without realising it come into the last category.
Unconscious bias is something that all of us claim not to have. But I'm afraid there's a lot research that suggests it is very real. One study that took me aback involved sending fake job applications from students graduating law schools, with all information identical except the colour of the skin of the applicant in the photo. The white candidates were offered interviews at a rate much higher than the African American ones.
There is also plenty of evidence that white professors are more likely to call upon other white students over black ones to answer questions in lectures. And are more likely to accept excuses about "circumstances" to account for bad grades.
For what it's worth, I am sure that the same thing works the other way around too. That black professors see kindred spirits in black students and call on them more often.
But then we do also need to take a step back.
Unconscious bias is not just about race. In the UK, there have been studies where people are asked to judge the intelligence of a speaker. Race was not the most important factor - accent was. Even if the actual words were the same, the person with the Liverpudlian accent was considered less intelligent than the one with the soft Edinburgh burr.
And the level of unconscious bias we now see is far, far less than the explicit and conscious bias we've had in the past. In most of the developed world the equality of opportunity for a person of colour has never been greater. Socioeconomic inequality is - realistically - a bigger issue that unconscious bias or racism.
The term CRT has been expanded by the Right to refer to almost any academic study of racism or racial inequality, or any sort of anti-racism initiative. Indeed, it's become a generic bogeyman for all evils in the world.
However, it began focused on US legal studies. To quote the Wikipedia article, "One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals." That's hard to disagree with. The next bit is more complicated: "CRT scholars argue that the social and legal construction of race advances the interests of White people[7][11] at the expense of people of color,[12][13] and that the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order,[14] where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes.[15]" It's hard to get into that without some expertise in US legal history and theory. Those decrying CRT as a threat to modern civilization, however, are clearly not actually trying to engage with what CRT actually argues.
You are making the elementary error of arguing facts with people down the rabbit hole of paranoid conspiracy theories.
Oddly, I can see him putting in oddly strong performances.
He's completely undercut, things are unravelling, so like England Crickets this summer he will just go on the offensive. He'll swing wildly, missing half the time and treading on his own stumps, but you won't be able to pin him down.
Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
Do you have a list of people that most make you angry and follow them on Twitter? Whenever you feel that you are becoming a little too easy going and on the path to wokedom you verbally flagellate yourself with the opinions of Christina Pagel, or some anti-British Irishman from County Wicklow
[Gerry Adams voice] Covid hasn't gone away, you know!
A rare positive take. People may disagree what merit is being looked for here - for both Sunak and Zahawi it was to be a loyal patsy after the previous guy quit - but it is probably true that Boris doesn't give a crap about the ethnicity of those he appoints, which is a good thing.
Not the day’s biggest news, but having the Conservatives appoint a third ethnic minority chancellor in a row - all not just on merit but as the obvious candidate - says very good things about this country.
But Zahawi wasn't obvious at all. Not least because, as I pointed out above, he is a chemical engineer who founded a polling company. He has no noticeable economic knowledge or experience. Less than me in fact.
Before becoming MPs:
Ken Clarke read Law and then went straight into politics Gordon Brown was a Lecturer in Politics and then a Journalist Alistair Darling was a Solicitor George Osborne was a Journalist with a degree in History
Before Hammond, the last CoE to have any background in economics or finance was Norman Lamont in 1993.
Made famous by Julian Clary, who in reference to Norman Lamont made a large number of people in middle England (including Norman Lamont) ask "what is fisting?"
A rare positive take. People may disagree what merit is being looked for here - for both Sunak and Zahawi it was to be a loyal patsy after the previous guy quit - but it is probably true that Boris doesn't give a crap about the ethnicity of those he appoints, which is a good thing.
Not the day’s biggest news, but having the Conservatives appoint a third ethnic minority chancellor in a row - all not just on merit but as the obvious candidate - says very good things about this country.
But Zahawi wasn't obvious at all. Not least because, as I pointed out above, he is a chemical engineer who founded a polling company. He has no noticeable economic knowledge or experience. Less than me in fact.
Before becoming MPs:
Ken Clarke read Law and then went straight into politics Gordon Brown was a Lecturer in Politics and then a Journalist Alistair Darling was a Solicitor George Osborne was a Journalist with a degree in History
Before Hammond, the last CoE to have any background in economics or finance was Norman Lamont in 1993.
Well yes. And isn't that all part of the problem? At least Truss has summat relevant on her CV?
Of our last 2 chancellors, Sunak read economics and was ex Goldman Sachs, Javid read economics and politics and worked for Chase Manhattan Bank.
Interesting to see whether Zahawi has an opportunity to cut corporation tax.
My understanding is that the Treasury discovered that firms merely pocketed the tax cuts and paid it out in dividends - often to overseas owners - rather than making capital investments in their own businesses.
Hence it was hiked, and generous write-offs provided for capital expenditures instead.
OMG.
Who gives a feck.
He will be gone by the end of summer and no one will give a otter's arse what the hell he does in next six weeks.
This regime is ending.
It's only ending any time soon if the Tory leadership rules are changed, a second confidence vote is then called, and Johnson loses said vote. It's very far from certain that things will come to that. It would require the Tory rebels to feel very confident that they had the numbers to win this time, and for all those MPs to then go through with doing the deed.
As I suggested in the previous thread, the Tory Parliamentary party may very well be too divided, and therefore too weak, confused and frightened, to commit. Because failing to dispatch Johnson for a second time would almost certainly mean that they were stuck with him until the next election - something that everyone outside of the loyalist faction would sincerely wish to avoid.
The rules are likely to change very soon and only 33 more names are needed to axe Johnson
It is clear tonight those numbers are there
Would be delighted were you to be proven right.
OTOH all the MPs who voted to keep Johnson a month ago knew perfectly well what they were committing to. The Chris Pincher revelations do not change the fundamentals one iota. Are that many of them, therefore, willing to change their minds now? I'll believe it when I see it and not before.
Oddly, I can see him putting in oddly strong performances.
He's completely undercut, things are unravelling, so like England Crickets this summer he will just go on the offensive. He'll swing wildly, missing half the time and treading on his own stumps, but you won't be able to pin him down.
Starmer will go easy.
He knows that a wounded lying corrupt useless clown is a vote winner for Lab
Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
Do you have a list of people that most make you angry and follow them on Twitter? Whenever you feel that you are becoming a little too easy going and on the path to wokedom you verbally flagellate yourself with the opinions of Christina Pagel, or some anti-British Irishman from County Wicklow
[Gerry Adams voice] Covid hasn't gone away, you know!
Was it really Gerry Adams, or was he voiced by an actor?
The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.
The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)
They don't matter, they're already voting Tory anyway and don't need to be won back.
What matters most is the plethora people who've stopped backing the Tories, all for their own varied reasons. Every "PB Tory" but you it seems, which really ought to set alarm bells going.
They do matter, Tory members will decide the next Tory leader if Boris goes. There is also little evidence any alternative leader would do much better v Starmer than Boris is.
You are no PB Tory, you voted Labour in 2001 and for Farage, you are a Tory leaning swing voter at most.
You really are a moron. Now would be the perfect time not to support a political corpse. The fact that you think that supporting Johnson is the shibboleth for Conservatives is stupid beyond all reason. Personally I hope your party is utterly destroyed, since such destruction seems to be the only thing that would bring you all to your senses. Admittedly you may become supporters of a post Conservative Tory party, but as long as the crime scene off Whitehall is cleaned up, most of us, whether Tory or nor, will feel relief.
31% to 34% are still voting Tory in most polls, even under Johnson and around a third of the public even tonight want him to stay.
Yet 98% of PB now don't back the Tories and want Johnson out and you will scream and shout but Johnson loyalists are still about a a third of the country and cannot be ignored
I see you are quite determined for me to award you the PB Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf Award (aka The Comical Ali Cup) once again for services to CCO Department of Spin. I shall also ask the Pope to consider you as a possible living saint; Saint HY Additional Patron Saint of Lost Causes (alongside St. Jude The Apostle)
I would rather be the Saint of Lost Causes than the Vicar of Bray!
But to be the former, you should still be a Remainer, instead of a Brayish conversion to whatevern the current Party wishes: we have always been at war with Europe, and all that stuff ...
Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
It's a sort of darwinism, isn't it. These people are just going to stop interacting with other people, and therefore stop breeding.
I cannot imagine a world without touch. To touch another human being, whether that's a comforting arm around the shoulder of an elderly relative, a hug with a friend you haven't seen in months, a passionate kiss that reignites an old flame, or even the old man on man, testosterone fuelled sparring in the ring that gets all the anger and aggression out. And you shake hands after.
Being deprived of all of the above almost sent me insane during lockdown. I'm now of the opinion that, come what may, I'll take my chances.
I'll say this for the Solicitor General - his resignation letter doesn't pussyfoot about on why he is resigning, unlike the others. He mentions directly Paterson, partygate and the latest scandal (even if he does not name Pincher personally). He says standards of candour have broken down, and though he includes a little bit of praise for work he is proud of, doesn't pepper his letter with praise for Boris or a pitch for his own ambitions.
Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
Do you have a list of people that most make you angry and follow them on Twitter? Whenever you feel that you are becoming a little too easy going and on the path to wokedom you verbally flagellate yourself with the opinions of Christina Pagel, or some anti-British Irishman from County Wicklow
[Gerry Adams voice] Covid hasn't gone away, you know!
Was it really Gerry Adams, or was he voiced by an actor?
Oddly, I can see him putting in oddly strong performances.
He's completely undercut, things are unravelling, so like England Crickets this summer he will just go on the offensive. He'll swing wildly, missing half the time and treading on his own stumps, but you won't be able to pin him down.
Starmer will go easy.
He knows that a wounded lying corrupt useless clown is a vote winner for Lab
What’s the betting that Johnson is on the ropes at PMQs until Blackford lets him off by being irrelevant and pompous?
Interesting to see whether Zahawi has an opportunity to cut corporation tax.
My understanding is that the Treasury discovered that firms merely pocketed the tax cuts and paid it out in dividends - often to overseas owners - rather than making capital investments in their own businesses.
Hence it was hiked, and generous write-offs provided for capital expenditures instead.
OMG.
Who gives a feck.
He will be gone by the end of summer and no one will give a otter's arse what the hell he does in next six weeks.
This regime is ending.
It's only ending any time soon if the Tory leadership rules are changed, a second confidence vote is then called, and Johnson loses said vote. It's very far from certain that things will come to that. It would require the Tory rebels to feel very confident that they had the numbers to win this time, and for all those MPs to then go through with doing the deed.
As I suggested in the previous thread, the Tory Parliamentary party may very well be too divided, and therefore too weak, confused and frightened, to commit. Because failing to dispatch Johnson for a second time would almost certainly mean that they were stuck with him until the next election - something that everyone outside of the loyalist faction would sincerely wish to avoid.
The rules are likely to change very soon and only 33 more names are needed to axe Johnson
It is clear tonight those numbers are there
Would be delighted were you to be proven right.
OTOH all the MPs who voted to keep Johnson a month ago knew perfectly well what they were committing to. The Chris Pincher revelations do not change the fundamentals one iota. Are that many of them, therefore, willing to change their minds now? I'll believe it when I see it and not before.
They really, really, really thought he'd stop instinctively lying if given one more chance to stop doing so?
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
I've got little confidence the situation will improve because of 'government surveys'. Too blunt. A softer approach, linking state funding with commitments to viewpoint diversity and freedom of speech would probably be more effective.
But it is, at least, a start
Extirpating Extreme Wokeness from Academe is an urgent need. That’s where CRT came from: the universities
If only you knew as much about US universities and CRT as you do about AI.
I think you're so embedded into ground zero of liberal California you fail to recognise CRT for the cancer it is.
CRT is a bogeyman invented by the Right to dogwhistle racism. The people pushing CRT fears are the people who claim Trump won the election and that COVID vaccines are dangerous.
CRT is a real thing invented by the Left to practice actual racism.
CRT contains much that is wrong, a fair amount which is unobjectionable, and a few things which are probably right but which are very uncomfortable.
The parts that look at the fact that we are all - at times - racist without realising it come into the last category.
Unconscious bias is something that all of us claim not to have. But I'm afraid there's a lot research that suggests it is very real. One study that took me aback involved sending fake job applications from students graduating law schools, with all information identical except the colour of the skin of the applicant in the photo. The white candidates were offered interviews at a rate much higher than the African American ones.
There is also plenty of evidence that white professors are more likely to call upon other white students over black ones to answer questions in lectures. And are more likely to accept excuses about "circumstances" to account for bad grades.
For what it's worth, I am sure that the same thing works the other way around too. That black professors see kindred spirits in black students and call on them more often.
But then we do also need to take a step back.
Unconscious bias is not just about race. In the UK, there have been studies where people are asked to judge the intelligence of a speaker. Race was not the most important factor - accent was. Even if the actual words were the same, the person with the Liverpudlian accent was considered less intelligent than the one with the soft Edinburgh burr.
And the level of unconscious bias we now see is far, far less than the explicit and conscious bias we've had in the past. In most of the developed world the equality of opportunity for a person of colour has never been greater. Socioeconomic inequality is - realistically - a bigger issue that unconscious bias or racism.
The term CRT has been expanded by the Right to refer to almost any academic study of racism or racial inequality, or any sort of anti-racism initiative. Indeed, it's become a generic bogeyman for all evils in the world.
However, it began focused on US legal studies. To quote the Wikipedia article, "One tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals." That's hard to disagree with. The next bit is more complicated: "CRT scholars argue that the social and legal construction of race advances the interests of White people[7][11] at the expense of people of color,[12][13] and that the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order,[14] where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes.[15]" It's hard to get into that without some expertise in US legal history and theory. Those decrying CRT as a threat to modern civilization, however, are clearly not actually trying to engage with what CRT actually argues.
You are making the elementary error of arguing facts with people down the rabbit hole of paranoid conspiracy theories.
CRT = Campaigning, Republican Tactic
Believe JRM's opposition is based on misconception it stands for Copernican Revolution Theory.
On this forum at least, it strikes me that it's those on the political right who are more in favour of cancel culture and against freedom of speech. Two examples from tonight - CRT and Christina Pagel.
Us lefties, on the other hand, are more easy-going. Give your views, and let's argue the toss - but don't tell people to shut up.
I laid half my ‘Boris out by conference’ bet earlier today at around 1.1. It’s now back up to 1.4 - tempting, or worth waiting for better value elsewhere ?
The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.
The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)
They don't matter, they're already voting Tory anyway and don't need to be won back.
What matters most is the plethora people who've stopped backing the Tories, all for their own varied reasons. Every "PB Tory" but you it seems, which really ought to set alarm bells going.
They do matter, Tory members will decide the next Tory leader if Boris goes. There is also little evidence any alternative leader would do much better v Starmer than Boris is.
You are no PB Tory, you voted Labour in 2001 and for Farage, you are a Tory leaning swing voter at most.
You really are a moron. Now would be the perfect time not to support a political corpse. The fact that you think that supporting Johnson is the shibboleth for Conservatives is stupid beyond all reason. Personally I hope your party is utterly destroyed, since such destruction seems to be the only thing that would bring you all to your senses. Admittedly you may become supporters of a post Conservative Tory party, but as long as the crime scene off Whitehall is cleaned up, most of us, whether Tory or nor, will feel relief.
31% to 34% are still voting Tory in most polls, even under Johnson and around a third of the public even tonight want him to stay.
Yet 98% of PB now don't back the Tories and want Johnson out and you will scream and shout but Johnson loyalists are still about a a third of the country and cannot be ignored
I see you are quite determined for me to award you the PB Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf Award (aka The Comical Ali Cup) once again for services to CCO Department of Spin. I shall also ask the Pope to consider you as a possible living saint; Saint HY Additional Patron Saint of Lost Causes (alongside St. Jude The Apostle)
I would rather be the Saint of Lost Causes than the Vicar of Bray!
Ah, the Vicar of Bray! Wasn't he the one that changed his principles to remain in favour. Now I am sure you voted Remain, but continue to drone on about Leavers as though you were one? On the biggest principle of the current political age you traded your principles. You are the Vicar of Bray and I claim my £5
Interesting to see whether Zahawi has an opportunity to cut corporation tax.
My understanding is that the Treasury discovered that firms merely pocketed the tax cuts and paid it out in dividends - often to overseas owners - rather than making capital investments in their own businesses.
Hence it was hiked, and generous write-offs provided for capital expenditures instead.
OMG.
Who gives a feck.
He will be gone by the end of summer and no one will give a otter's arse what the hell he does in next six weeks.
This regime is ending.
It's only ending any time soon if the Tory leadership rules are changed, a second confidence vote is then called, and Johnson loses said vote. It's very far from certain that things will come to that. It would require the Tory rebels to feel very confident that they had the numbers to win this time, and for all those MPs to then go through with doing the deed.
As I suggested in the previous thread, the Tory Parliamentary party may very well be too divided, and therefore too weak, confused and frightened, to commit. Because failing to dispatch Johnson for a second time would almost certainly mean that they were stuck with him until the next election - something that everyone outside of the loyalist faction would sincerely wish to avoid.
The rules are likely to change very soon and only 33 more names are needed to axe Johnson
It is clear tonight those numbers are there
Would be delighted were you to be proven right.
OTOH all the MPs who voted to keep Johnson a month ago knew perfectly well what they were committing to. The Chris Pincher revelations do not change the fundamentals one iota. Are that many of them, therefore, willing to change their minds now? I'll believe it when I see it and not before.
They really, really, really thought he'd stop instinctively lying if given one more chance to stop doing so?
It does seem like they've finally realised that he isn't going to stop lying
Interesting to see whether Zahawi has an opportunity to cut corporation tax.
My understanding is that the Treasury discovered that firms merely pocketed the tax cuts and paid it out in dividends - often to overseas owners - rather than making capital investments in their own businesses.
Hence it was hiked, and generous write-offs provided for capital expenditures instead.
OMG.
Who gives a feck.
He will be gone by the end of summer and no one will give a otter's arse what the hell he does in next six weeks.
This regime is ending.
It's only ending any time soon if the Tory leadership rules are changed, a second confidence vote is then called, and Johnson loses said vote. It's very far from certain that things will come to that. It would require the Tory rebels to feel very confident that they had the numbers to win this time, and for all those MPs to then go through with doing the deed.
As I suggested in the previous thread, the Tory Parliamentary party may very well be too divided, and therefore too weak, confused and frightened, to commit. Because failing to dispatch Johnson for a second time would almost certainly mean that they were stuck with him until the next election - something that everyone outside of the loyalist faction would sincerely wish to avoid.
The rules are likely to change very soon and only 33 more names are needed to axe Johnson
It is clear tonight those numbers are there
Would be delighted were you to be proven right.
OTOH all the MPs who voted to keep Johnson a month ago knew perfectly well what they were committing to. The Chris Pincher revelations do not change the fundamentals one iota. Are that many of them, therefore, willing to change their minds now? I'll believe it when I see it and not before.
They really, really, really thought he'd stop instinctively lying if given one more chance to stop doing so?
Naturally - he promised!
Edit:Someone read these people the parable of the Scorpion and the Frog, quick (the turtle one works too)
Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
It's a sort of darwinism, isn't it. These people are just going to stop interacting with other people, and therefore stop breeding.
I cannot imagine a world without touch. To touch another human being, whether that's a comforting arm around the shoulder of an elderly relative, a hug with a friend you haven't seen in months, a passionate kiss that reignites an old flame, or even the old man on man, testosterone fuelled sparring in the ring that gets all the anger and aggression out. And you shake hands after.
Being deprived of all of the above almost sent me insane during lockdown. I'm now of the opinion that, come what may, I'll take my chances.
There's a group of people I call COVID Worriers. I don't mean those who are concerned about catching COVID-19. I'm on day 11 after getting COVID and it's no fun! I mean those who think that any discussion of COVID-19, any acknowledgement that we're in a new wave, any steps taken to avoid infection, are the top of a slippery slope leading inevitably to a complete lockdown.
Someone making a personal choice to wear a mask on the Tube during a period of high infections is treated as if they are seeking to enslave us. This is such nonsense. Why are some here so scared of others' choices?
It does no favour to the Boris Must Go cause to have embittered old Remoaner Queens like Rifkind and Heseltine denouncing Boris. It just makes normal people think “ugh, this is all about Remainer revenge for Brexit”
Rifkind: “The antipathy to Boris Johnson in Scotland is matched in England & Wales as well. This is no longer a north/south divide or 🏴 / 🏴 divide, pretty much the whole country thinks he’s a loser, should not be PM, does not have the integrity or honesty to command.”#Newsnight https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1544444960937836546
Doctor Pagel has some more fun advice for us in the Guardian
Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London and member of the Independent Sage group of experts
“I’ve never stopped wearing a mask on public transport and in shops. I now also wear one during face-to-face meetings at work and would if I was going to the cinema, theatre, etc. However, I have chosen to restrict my social activities or meet outside wherever possible during these weeks of very high levels of infection. Many will not be able to restrict their contacts, so a well-fitting, high-quality mask (FFP2/FFP3) is even more important to try to reduce their chance of catching Covid or of spreading it.”
It's a sort of darwinism, isn't it. These people are just going to stop interacting with other people, and therefore stop breeding.
I cannot imagine a world without touch. To touch another human being, whether that's a comforting arm around the shoulder of an elderly relative, a hug with a friend you haven't seen in months, a passionate kiss that reignites an old flame, or even the old man on man, testosterone fuelled sparring in the ring that gets all the anger and aggression out. And you shake hands after.
Being deprived of all of the above almost sent me insane during lockdown. I'm now of the opinion that, come what may, I'll take my chances.
There's a group of people I call COVID Worriers. I don't mean those who are concerned about catching COVID-19. I'm on day 11 after getting COVID and it's no fun! I mean those who think that any discussion of COVID-19, any acknowledgement that we're in a new wave, any steps taken to avoid infection, are the top of a slippery slope leading inevitably to a complete lockdown.
Someone making a personal choice to wear a mask on the Tube during a period of high infections is treated as if they are seeking to enslave us. This is such nonsense. Why are some here so scared of others' choices?
Because for a considerable period of time such people were dictating to the country how many people were allowed in our homes and many are understandably scarred by the experience.
It does no favour to the Boris Must Go cause to have embittered old Remoaner Queens like Rifkind and Heseltine denouncing Boris. It just makes normal people think “ugh, this is all about Remainer revenge for Brexit”
Get these ancient old twats off the telly. Thanks
Leon. You are not normal. That is not necessarily a compliment. Anyway, they can't be much older than you are they?
It does no favour to the Boris Must Go cause to have embittered old Remoaner Queens like Rifkind and Heseltine denouncing Boris. It just makes normal people think “ugh, this is all about Remainer revenge for Brexit”
Get these ancient old twats off the telly. Thanks
Both of course in the Cabinet which led the Tories to their worst landslide defeat since 1832, trashing the leader who led the Tories to their biggest landslide win since 1987.
It does no favour to the Boris Must Go cause to have embittered old Remoaner Queens like Rifkind and Heseltine denouncing Boris. It just makes normal people think “ugh, this is all about Remainer revenge for Brexit”
Get these ancient old twats off the telly. Thanks
A fair point really. It can be entertaining, but the usual crowd of opponents don't add value to this. It's the Brexiteers, the hard right, the utterly loyal turning on him which signals an end. They are the ones who would demonstrate to the viewers that a tide has turned - not people going 'We bloody told you so!'
Nothing makes a grateful person ungrateful faster than being told they should be grateful. And nothing makes a person who realises they made a mistake get stubborn faster than being told 'I told you so'.
It does no favour to the Boris Must Go cause to have embittered old Remoaner Queens like Rifkind and Heseltine denouncing Boris. It just makes normal people think “ugh, this is all about Remainer revenge for Brexit”
Get these ancient old twats off the telly. Thanks
Both of course in the Cabinet which led the Tories to their worst landslide defeat since 1832, trashing the leader who led the Tories to their biggest landslide win since 1987.
Yet no recognition of that from either of them
You voted remain. Like they did. No recognition of that from you either.
On this forum at least, it strikes me that it's those on the political right who are more in favour of cancel culture and against freedom of speech. Two examples from tonight - CRT and Christina Pagel.
Us lefties, on the other hand, are more easy-going. Give your views, and let's argue the toss - but don't tell people to shut up.
Who is cancelling her? Her views are as relevant as what Patsy Palmer or the Gogglebox crew think but she is free to make them if invited by idiot media to do so. As we are to point out we dont care what she thinks.
Well yes we said that. Tories voted him for leader anyway
Correct. And Lab thought it would be a great idea to oppose him in 2019 with an unrepentant Britain-hating anti-semite.
I've said sorry, we've said sorry. He's gone. We made a mistake. We accept it
Ha! Indeed. Not criticising you but it needs to be pointed out from time to time when we talk about the useless twat Johnson.
The point I make is that the Tories nonetheless did not need to vote him in as party leader.
Against Corbyn, get it - still stupid but I get it.
But against Hunt, no I do not
Oh absolutely. I was team Hunt but read some (any) of @HYUFD's posts to understand why the party voted him in.
Despite our differences in political views, you are one of my favourite posters and one of the most sensible people here. I'd vote for a party led by you any day
It does no favour to the Boris Must Go cause to have embittered old Remoaner Queens like Rifkind and Heseltine denouncing Boris. It just makes normal people think “ugh, this is all about Remainer revenge for Brexit”
Get these ancient old twats off the telly. Thanks
A fair point really. It can be entertaining, but the usual crowd of opponents don't add value to this. It's the Brexiteers, the hard right, the utterly loyal turning on him which signals an end. They are the ones who would demonstrate to the viewers that a tide has turned - not people going 'We bloody told you so!'
Nothing makes a grateful person ungrateful faster than being told they should be grateful. And nothing makes a person who realises they made a mistake get stubborn faster than being told 'I told you so'.
To all those Boris Johnson apologists, past or present, I told you so. lol.
People pointing out Boris has only @ HYUFD defending him on here. Well there's Leon. It's all pro-Boris. Followed by "he has to go" in the last sentence.
People pointing out Boris has only @ HYUFD defending him on here. Well there's Leon. It's all pro-Boris. Followed by "he has to go" in the last sentence.
Leon is a character, he doesn't actually believe anything
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Liaison Committee.
Tomorrow.
It is clear tonight those numbers are there
I do not think this has happened.
And isn't that all part of the problem?
At least Truss has summat relevant on her CV?
He's completely undercut, things are unravelling, so like England Crickets this summer he will just go on the offensive. He'll swing wildly, missing half the time and treading on his own stumps, but you won't be able to pin him down.
OTOH all the MPs who voted to keep Johnson a month ago knew perfectly well what they were committing to. The Chris Pincher revelations do not change the fundamentals one iota. Are that many of them, therefore, willing to change their minds now? I'll believe it when I see it and not before.
He knows that a wounded lying corrupt useless clown is a vote winner for Lab
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Alex Chalk@AlexChalkChelt·15m
With great sadness I am resigning as Solicitor General. I won’t be doing media interviews.
https://twitter.com/AlexChalkChelt/status/1544437737771655169
Being deprived of all of the above almost sent me insane during lockdown. I'm now of the opinion that, come what may, I'll take my chances.
No way around it
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ira-has-not-gone-away-adams-warns-ministers-ira-has-not-gone-away-1596152.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988–1994_British_broadcasting_voice_restrictions
He is gaming that Johnson remains at least a year and so he, Zihawi, is then a player.
Believe JRM's opposition is based on misconception it stands for Copernican Revolution Theory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/02/purge-asian-american-students-thomas-jefferson-has-begun/
Us lefties, on the other hand, are more easy-going. Give your views, and let's argue the toss - but don't tell people to shut up.
It’s now back up to 1.4 - tempting, or worth waiting for better value elsewhere ?
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1544442808274415616
Tax cuts for all!!!
Insane levels of delusion.
Of course, the idea is they are suppose to at least attempt to solve the problems, and so far the Tory MPs as a majority do not wish to do so.
Voters in the UK, and only some of those who bothered to turn out.
Edit:Someone read these people the parable of the Scorpion and the Frog, quick (the turtle one works too)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544444079609610247
Someone making a personal choice to wear a mask on the Tube during a period of high infections is treated as if they are seeking to enslave us. This is such nonsense. Why are some here so scared of others' choices?
They said it would be like the Theresa May’s end of days all over again with a drumbeat of ministers quitting and being replaced
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544444416794185728
Get these ancient old twats off the telly. Thanks
Against Corbyn, get it - still stupid but I get it.
But against Hunt, no I do not
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1544444960937836546
He's not wrong...
Seriously. Properly funny. LOL
Leo would not have done this.
Yet no recognition of that from either of them
Nothing makes a grateful person ungrateful faster than being told they should be grateful. And nothing makes a person who realises they made a mistake get stubborn faster than being told 'I told you so'.
So. About that useless twat who hasn't and won't.
As a former health minister and chief sec to treasury he had experience in both departments.
No10 considered him for chancellor, ended up giving him health.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544445477650841601
Zahawi was their "safety" candidate...
Out of the mouth of a politician, yes, it can mean that. The lying scumbags.
See Orwell: Politics and the English language, 1946.
Well there's Leon. It's all pro-Boris. Followed by "he has to go" in the last sentence.