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The Daily Star sums it up perfectly – politicalbetting.com

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edited July 2022 in General
The Daily Star sums it up perfectly – politicalbetting.com

Daily Star: Cabinet Ministers Desert Pinocchio -Curtains for Bozo. #TomorrowsPapersToday pic.twitter.com/txpsGWoMrt

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,799
    edited July 2022
    First... Unlike Boris The L.O.S.E.R
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    Rishi's next job could be in cyber
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Boris 2 - Tories 1
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,658
    TSE's being quite reticent tonight, I see.

    Night all.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,210
    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited July 2022
    The Times calling for Boris to go..

    Twitter
    The Times@thetimes
    "He has lost the confidence of his party and the country. Every day that he remains deepens the sense of chaos. For the good of the country, he should go" | 🗞 The Times view
    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1544420114099052546

    Replying to @thetimes
    "What has brought Mr Johnson to this position is the same character flaws that have dogged his entire career: his persistent lying and flagrant disregard for the codes and conventions that necessarily underpin public life"
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    fitalass said:

    The Times@thetimes
    "He has lost the confidence of his party and the country. Every day that he remains deepens the sense of chaos. For the good of the country, he should go" | 🗞 The Times view
    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1544420114099052546

    Replying to @thetimes
    "What has brought Mr Johnson to this position is the same character flaws that have dogged his entire career: his persistent lying and flagrant disregard for the codes and conventions that necessarily underpin public life"

    They supported him for PM even though all this was known.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    Conservative MP for Telford Lucy Allan doesn’t seem especially enamoured with the new Education Secretary https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1544426859160641537/photo/1
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781
    I just googled Michael Gove and I cant find any reference to him commenting on today's events. Anyone else seen anything?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,364
    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    It's Ben Wallace who has watched too much of Game of Thrones.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/michael-gove-game-of-thrones-tory-leadership-brexit-boris-johnson-ally-threatens-theon-greyjoy-penectomy-a7113656.html
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,210

    Rishi's next job could be in cyber

    More likely to be in California.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,149
    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She's already foreign secretary, that's a very important job.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719

    fitalass said:

    The Times@thetimes
    "He has lost the confidence of his party and the country. Every day that he remains deepens the sense of chaos. For the good of the country, he should go" | 🗞 The Times view
    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1544420114099052546

    Replying to @thetimes
    "What has brought Mr Johnson to this position is the same character flaws that have dogged his entire career: his persistent lying and flagrant disregard for the codes and conventions that necessarily underpin public life"

    They supported him for PM even though all this was known.
    They did, but everyone has limits.
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    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    Nice.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,799
    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP for Telford Lucy Allan doesn’t seem especially enamoured with the new Education Secretary https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1544426859160641537/photo/1

    I'm surprised she even knows who the Education Secretary is...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,364
    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    Nice.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,914
    Zahawi at CoE.
    Heaven help us
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    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    Nice.
    You stole my post. Give it back
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    BREAK: Told the keystone of Zahawi’s plan for the economy is a 95% tax rate levied exclusively on people from Milton Keynes employed in the polling industry.
    https://twitter.com/MarkMcvitie/status/1544422007214931972
    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1544421012309155843
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    I am very sad to be resigning as the Prime Minister’s Trade Envoy to Kenya with immediate effect👇 https://twitter.com/theodoraclarke/status/1544426469660758019/photo/1
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    Nice.
    Dammit I posted that but the thread switch stole my thunder!
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,388
    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
    I don't necessarily agree. And she'll get her own time in the spotlight if she does tomorrow. I'm not sure she will though.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,799

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,930
    edited July 2022

    I just googled Michael Gove and I cant find any reference to him commenting on today's events. Anyone else seen anything?

    His suppprt was communicated via a 'senior aide' to the lobby journos
    He might change his mind. Its been known
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952
    edited July 2022
    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    The other thing is. Truss was employed as an economist. She's a management accountant. She was Chief Secretary to the Treasury.
    Zahawi is a chemical engineer and founder of a polling company.
    What are his actual qualifications for the job?
    Other than the most important. Having Johnson's bollocks?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    It’s hard to imagine a scenario worse for the Tories than what has transpired. An ability to wound, no fatal blow and with each move a new split in the party.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    Nice.
    69 is no longer Boris's favourite number
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    TSE’s tweet is poor taste for using in a lead.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    The other thing is. Truss was employed as an economist. She was Chief Secretary to the Treasury.
    Zahawi is a chemical engineer and founder of a polling company.
    What are his actual qualifications for the job?
    Other than the most important. Having Johnson's bollocks?
    NGL I'd trust a Chemical Engineer a lot more than Truss. He's at least likely to be used to explosions.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719
    I know Sunak was born in 1980, but with Donelan in 84 we are getting dangerously near to my being older than a Member of the Cabinet, which just feels wrong somehow.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,718

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
    I don't necessarily agree. And she'll get her own time in the spotlight if she does tomorrow. I'm not sure she will though.
    The must be pressure on her from other MPs to resign, surely. Gove too.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Zahawi at CoE.
    Heaven help us

    Pulpstar said:

    Zahawi at CoE.
    Heaven help us

    Admiral Doenitz as Fuhrer. Never thought I'd see the day.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,298
    Is the Tory membership now doing a Trump-like thing: show resounding and unwavering loyalty to Boris or it's the wilderness for you? That could explain Zahawi's actions - only by sticking with Boris will he be assured a future crack at the leadership.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
    I don't necessarily agree. And she'll get her own time in the spotlight if she does tomorrow. I'm not sure she will though.
    After pledging loyalty??? Really. Looks like a dithering to me.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781
    Pulpstar said:

    Zahawi at CoE.
    Heaven help us

    For a second there I though you said:

    Zahawi at C of E.
    Heaven help us
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    eekeek Posts: 24,953
    Pulpstar said:

    Zahawi at CoE.
    Heaven help us

    It will take a while for God to stop laughing. Only then will he be in a fit state to do anything..
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277

    I just googled Michael Gove and I cant find any reference to him commenting on today's events. Anyone else seen anything?

    He took his skin suit off for the day. Not easy to put it back on again at short notice, and tentacles aren't easy to operate twitter with.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719
    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
    Yes, probably, but then not quitting but doing so after someone else stole your thunder worked out for Boris.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 9,577
    FPT: Meanwhile in the other big news of the night the ECMWF model gives us over a week of intense heatwave into mid month and a large proportion of its ensemble runs give us record breaking hot temperatures 10-12 days from now.

    Heatwave is going to be the big news next week.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members?
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    Is the Tory membership now doing a Trump-like thing: show resounding and unwavering loyalty to Boris or it's the wilderness for you? That could explain Zahawi's actions - only by sticking with Boris will he be assured a future crack at the leadership.

    Not at all. FPT but after the end of it:

    The country needs a Chancellor of the Exchequer. If the markets opened tomorrow without a CoE then sterling would collapse and the markets would be in utter turmoil. If called, then its responsible for someone to serve.

    If Boris goes quickly now, he's already there as Chancellor and is also already widely respected so he will not be toxic or damaged by taking on this role. If Boris doesn't go quickly, he can deliver his own resignation next scandal.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Pretty much what HYUFD said earlier
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,588
    Barclay at Health.

    Safe to lay him for leader now.

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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members
    See, this sort of boneheaded insularity is the reason your party has rotted from the feet up.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
    Yes, probably, but then not quitting but doing so after someone else stole your thunder worked out for Boris.
    Her best bet is to say I’m staying because of Ukraine, to provide consistency.
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    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members
    They don't matter, they're already voting Tory anyway and don't need to be won back.

    What matters most is the plethora people who've stopped backing the Tories, all for their own varied reasons. Every "PB Tory" but you it seems, which really ought to set alarm bells going.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members?
    Both of them?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,210
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP for Telford Lucy Allan doesn’t seem especially enamoured with the new Education Secretary https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1544426859160641537/photo/1

    I'm surprised she even knows who the Education Secretary is...
    She also says that Zahawi is a great loss to education. Presumably she hasn't canvassed @ydoethur recently.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    I just googled Michael Gove and I cant find any reference to him commenting on today's events. Anyone else seen anything?

    His suppprt was communicated via a 'senior aide' to the lobby journos
    He might change his mind. Its been known
    I am wondering whether he is doing a John Major. Away with toothache.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited July 2022
    dixiedean said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    The other thing is. Truss was employed as an economist. She's a management accountant. She was Chief Secretary to the Treasury.
    Zahawi is a chemical engineer and founder of a polling company.
    What are his actual qualifications for the job?
    Other than the most important. Having Johnson's bollocks?
    If you think back over the years its quite shocking how such an important job has gone to people with bugger all qualifications for it e.g. Gordo "mr PhD in the Labour Party and Political Change in Scotland 1918–29*" Brown.

    * which took as long to complete as the timeframe he was studying.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited July 2022
    In Labour interal affairs, Sam Tarry lost another reselection branch vote tonight. He is now 0-8 in ward branches with 2 more left to meet. If he loses both of the remaining ones, he would need all affiliates to the CLP to back him to avoid open selection (new system uses an electoral collage with ward branches weightin 50% and affiliates the other 50%. If it ends 50 to 50%, MP is reselected). Unions are expected to all vote in favour as they always tend to do. However, some Socialist Society may vote against.

    Apsana Begum (Poplar and Limehouse) has been triggered today. She lost in all ward branches except one (which was a tie. So still not a vote in favour).
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    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    Until the next election, the people Tory MPs are interested in is swing voters that are abandoning the party and what will it take to get us back.

    Not you. It doesn't matter a jot what you think, since you'd vote for Adolf Hitler if he was carrying a blue rosette.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    Johnson telling Mason he is “fed up” with other people going on the media explaining what he did and didn’t know - the same people being sent onto the media by his office after being told what to say by his staff - is disgraceful and shameful even by his pitifully low standards.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    And as a gift for the new job, sounds like Zahawi will do the morning broadcast round tomorrow.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544422763942789126?s=20&t=Wz27L3uXAD7ZLT_aWgtgWQ
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,165
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
    I don't necessarily agree. And she'll get her own time in the spotlight if she does tomorrow. I'm not sure she will though.
    After pledging loyalty??? Really. Looks like a dithering to me.
    Didn't stop Johnson after Chequers.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members
    They don't matter, they're already voting Tory anyway and don't need to be won back.

    What matters most is the plethora people who've stopped backing the Tories, all for their own varied reasons. Every "PB Tory" but you it seems, which really ought to set alarm bells going.
    They do matter, Tory members will decide the next Tory leader if Boris goes. There is also little evidence any alternative leader would do much better v Starmer than Boris is.

    You are no PB Tory, you voted Labour in 2001 and for Farage, you are a Tory leaning swing voter at most.

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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    Scott_xP said:

    And as a gift for the new job, sounds like Zahawi will do the morning broadcast round tomorrow.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544422763942789126?s=20&t=Wz27L3uXAD7ZLT_aWgtgWQ

    Okay, you can have the job as long as you hold this ticking box.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,953

    Is the Tory membership now doing a Trump-like thing: show resounding and unwavering loyalty to Boris or it's the wilderness for you? That could explain Zahawi's actions - only by sticking with Boris will he be assured a future crack at the leadership.

    Not at all. FPT but after the end of it:

    The country needs a Chancellor of the Exchequer. If the markets opened tomorrow without a CoE then sterling would collapse and the markets would be in utter turmoil. If called, then its responsible for someone to serve.

    If Boris goes quickly now, he's already there as Chancellor and is also already widely respected so he will not be toxic or damaged by taking on this role. If Boris doesn't go quickly, he can deliver his own resignation next scandal.
    So some point next week then...
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely Liz Truss is not going to put up with this and will now quit too? She has been robbed by the ruthless Zahawi who has clearly watched too much GoT.

    She would be damaged if she quit now. The moment was 6:15.
    I don't necessarily agree. And she'll get her own time in the spotlight if she does tomorrow. I'm not sure she will though.
    After pledging loyalty??? Really. Looks like a dithering to me.
    Didn't stop Johnson after Chequers.
    Nor going to win on a turn over a new leaf ticket.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719
    Scott_xP said:

    And as a gift for the new job, sounds like Zahawi will do the morning broadcast round tomorrow.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544422763942789126?s=20&t=Wz27L3uXAD7ZLT_aWgtgWQ

    I look forward to learning how Sunak and Javid are a pair of traitorous, incompetent wretches, whom he and Boris thought were brilliant until earlier today.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,945

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Leon said:

    Genuinely scary.

    Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.

    The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.

    Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.

    According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.


    https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/

    No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
    I've got little confidence the situation will improve because of 'government surveys'. Too blunt. A softer approach, linking state funding with commitments to viewpoint diversity and freedom of speech would probably be more effective.
    But it is, at least, a start

    Extirpating Extreme Wokeness from Academe is an urgent need. That’s where CRT came from: the universities
    If only you knew as much about US universities and CRT as you do about AI.
    I think you're so embedded into ground zero of liberal California you fail to recognise CRT for the cancer it is.
    CRT is a bogeyman invented by the Right to dogwhistle racism. The people pushing CRT fears are the people who claim Trump won the election and that COVID vaccines are dangerous.
    CRT is a real thing invented by the Left to practice actual racism.
    CRT contains much that is wrong, a fair amount which is unobjectionable, and a few things which are probably right but which are very uncomfortable.

    The parts that look at the fact that we are all - at times - racist without realising it come into the last category.

    Unconscious bias is something that all of us claim not to have. But I'm afraid there's a lot research that suggests it is very real. One study that took me aback involved sending fake job applications from students graduating law schools, with all information identical except the colour of the skin of the applicant in the photo. The white candidates were offered interviews at a rate much higher than the African American ones.

    There is also plenty of evidence that white professors are more likely to call upon other white students over black ones to answer questions in lectures. And are more likely to accept excuses about "circumstances" to account for bad grades.

    For what it's worth, I am sure that the same thing works the other way around too. That black professors see kindred spirits in black students and call on them more often.

    But then we do also need to take a step back.

    Unconscious bias is not just about race. In the UK, there have been studies where people are asked to judge the intelligence of a speaker. Race was not the most important factor - accent was. Even if the actual words were the same, the person with the Liverpudlian accent was considered less intelligent than the one with the soft Edinburgh burr.

    And the level of unconscious bias we now see is far, far less than the explicit and conscious bias we've had in the past. In most of the developed world the equality of opportunity for a person of colour has never been greater. Socioeconomic inequality is - realistically - a bigger issue that unconscious bias or racism.
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members
    They don't matter, they're already voting Tory anyway and don't need to be won back.

    What matters most is the plethora people who've stopped backing the Tories, all for their own varied reasons. Every "PB Tory" but you it seems, which really ought to set alarm bells going.
    They do matter, Tory members will decide the next Tory leader if Boris goes. There is also little evidence any alternative leader would do much better v Starmer than Boris is.

    You are no PB Tory, you voted Labour in 2001 and for Farage, you are a Tory leaning swing voter at most.

    Tory leaning swing voters are the most important voters that Tory MPs are interested in. Lose us, and they lose their seats.

    And intelligent Tory members think the same too. Pigheaded muppets like yourself that only give a shit about hardcore never kissed a socialist zealots like you are thankfully actually reasonably rare.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,930

    In Labour interal affairs, Sam Tarry lost another reselection branch vote tonight. He is now 0-8 in ward branches with 2 more left to meet. If he loses both of the remaining ones, he would need all affiliates to the CLP to back him to avoid open selection (new system uses an electoral collage with ward branches weightin 50% and affiliates the other 50%. If it ends 50 to 50%, MP is reselected). Unions are expected to all vote in favour as they always tend to do. However, some Socialist Society may vote against.

    Apsana Begum (Poplar and Limehouse) has been triggered today. She lost in all branches except one (which was a tie. So still not a vote in favour).

    Tarry is a nasty hangover of the Corbyn era attitude to Israel.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Leon said:

    Genuinely scary.

    Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.

    The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.

    Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.

    According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.


    https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/

    No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
    I've got little confidence the situation will improve because of 'government surveys'. Too blunt. A softer approach, linking state funding with commitments to viewpoint diversity and freedom of speech would probably be more effective.
    But it is, at least, a start

    Extirpating Extreme Wokeness from Academe is an urgent need. That’s where CRT came from: the universities
    If only you knew as much about US universities and CRT as you do about AI.
    I think you're so embedded into ground zero of liberal California you fail to recognise CRT for the cancer it is.
    CRT is a bogeyman invented by the Right to dogwhistle racism. The people pushing CRT fears are the people who claim Trump won the election and that COVID vaccines are dangerous.
    CRT is a real thing invented by the Left to practice actual racism.
    CRT contains much that is wrong, a fair amount which is unobjectionable, and a few things which are probably right but which are very uncomfortable.

    The parts that look at the fact that we are all - at times - racist without realising it come into the last category.

    Unconscious bias is something that all of us claim not to have. But I'm afraid there's a lot research that suggests it is very real. One study that took me aback involved sending fake job applications from students graduating law schools, with all information identical except the colour of the skin of the applicant in the photo. The white candidates were offered interviews at a rate much higher than the African American ones.

    There is also plenty of evidence that white professors are more likely to call upon other white students over black ones to answer questions in lectures. And are more likely to accept excuses about "circumstances" to account for bad grades.

    For what it's worth, I am sure that the same thing works the other way around too. That black professors see kindred spirits in black students and call on them more often.

    But then we do also need to take a step back.

    Unconscious bias is not just about race. In the UK, there have been studies where people are asked to judge the intelligence of a speaker. Race was not the most important factor - accent was. Even if the actual words were the same, the person with the Liverpudlian accent was considered less intelligent than the one with the soft Edinburgh burr.

    And the level of unconscious bias we now see is far, far less than the explicit and conscious bias we've had in the past. In most of the developed world the equality of opportunity for a person of colour has never been greater. Socioeconomic inequality is - realistically - a bigger issue that unconscious bias or racism.
    I believe unconscious biases are a thing. I do think it gets overblown and the level of focus some put on it, and extreme solutions devised, to be histrionic and counter productive though.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    Until the next election, the people Tory MPs are interested in is swing voters that are abandoning the party and what will it take to get us back.

    Not you. It doesn't matter a jot what you think, since you'd vote for Adolf Hitler if he was carrying a blue rosette.
    Tory MPs don't get the final say on who the next PM is, Tory members do
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,930

    I just googled Michael Gove and I cant find any reference to him commenting on today's events. Anyone else seen anything?

    His suppprt was communicated via a 'senior aide' to the lobby journos
    He might change his mind. Its been known
    I am wondering whether he is doing a John Major. Away with toothache.
    Gove doesnt care about how hes seen. He'll joyfully flip tomorrow if it feels right to him and hes convinced the gig is up
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    TimS said:

    FPT: Meanwhile in the other big news of the night the ECMWF model gives us over a week of intense heatwave into mid month and a large proportion of its ensemble runs give us record breaking hot temperatures 10-12 days from now.

    Heatwave is going to be the big news next week.

    Heatwave has been news in much of Europe for nearly two months now
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    Until the next election, the people Tory MPs are interested in is swing voters that are abandoning the party and what will it take to get us back.

    Not you. It doesn't matter a jot what you think, since you'd vote for Adolf Hitler if he was carrying a blue rosette.
    Tory MPs don't get the final say on who the next PM is, Tory members do
    Quite right. And as we learned with Corbyn, having a leader your members like but your MPs cannot stand works out just great for everybody.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,882
    I know it doesn't *always* have to be about Brexit, but, as aside: this thing Johnson is doing - battling wildly on with no endgame strategy, no sense anymore of what winning wld even look like - it's also what he's doing to EU relations over NI protocol. Scorched earth.
    https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/1544430464135561220
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,258
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    You keep repeating this and on one level it's right. But MPs do listen to their constituents.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,255
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members?
    Total morons.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,020
    Is the Daily Star front page really that well judged?

    It surely references the movie “bedtime for Bonzo”. A movie - starring one Ron Reagan - which was released in… 1951

    Only people over 80 will understand it. Yes that includes most PBers but still. Obscure or what
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    Until the next election, the people Tory MPs are interested in is swing voters that are abandoning the party and what will it take to get us back.

    Not you. It doesn't matter a jot what you think, since you'd vote for Adolf Hitler if he was carrying a blue rosette.
    Tory MPs don't get the final say on who the next PM is, Tory members do
    And on Mastermind this evening we have HYUFD, specialist subject: "Statements of the Bleeding Obvious"
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302
    Scott_xP said:

    And as a gift for the new job, sounds like Zahawi will do the morning broadcast round tomorrow.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544422763942789126?s=20&t=Wz27L3uXAD7ZLT_aWgtgWQ

    Oh boy
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,184
    Oh well, Zahewi can forget ever being leader now.

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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    Scott_xP said:

    I know it doesn't *always* have to be about Brexit, but, as aside: this thing Johnson is doing - battling wildly on with no endgame strategy, no sense anymore of what winning wld even look like - it's also what he's doing to EU relations over NI protocol. Scorched earth.
    https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/1544430464135561220

    Are we saying that Johnson is like the Joker but with worse hair?
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,096
    fitalass said:

    The Times calling for Boris to go..

    Twitter
    The Times@thetimes
    "He has lost the confidence of his party and the country. Every day that he remains deepens the sense of chaos. For the good of the country, he should go" | 🗞 The Times view
    https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1544420114099052546

    Replying to @thetimes
    "What has brought Mr Johnson to this position is the same character flaws that have dogged his entire career: his persistent lying and flagrant disregard for the codes and conventions that necessarily underpin public life"

    Mr Murdoch feels that the PM has served his purpose and is scouting for his next Viceroy.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719
    'Johnson makes Zahawi chancellor after Sunak quits' says the BBC homepage. Poor old Javid already forgotten.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    You keep repeating this and on one level it's right. But MPs do listen to their constituents.
    Even if MPs do decide to remove Johnson and most Tory MPs voted to keep Johnson just a month ago, it would be Tory members who have the final say on who succeeded him as PM, not Tory MPs
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    Until the next election, the people Tory MPs are interested in is swing voters that are abandoning the party and what will it take to get us back.

    Not you. It doesn't matter a jot what you think, since you'd vote for Adolf Hitler if he was carrying a blue rosette.
    Tory MPs don't get the final say on who the next PM is, Tory members do
    And most Tory members actually care about the rest of the country and the rest of their community. Not just about themselves. Also most Tory members want to see the Tories succeed by attracting the votes of others.

    Telling potential Tory voters that their votes aren't needed or wanted anyway, and they're not "proper" Tories anyway, is thankfully as rare an attitude within rational Tory members as it is within rational Labour members - even if blue Corbynite zealots like you want hardcore loyalty to the One True Faith and that's it.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,945
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Leon said:

    Genuinely scary.

    Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.

    The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.

    Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.

    According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.


    https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/

    No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
    I've got little confidence the situation will improve because of 'government surveys'. Too blunt. A softer approach, linking state funding with commitments to viewpoint diversity and freedom of speech would probably be more effective.
    But it is, at least, a start

    Extirpating Extreme Wokeness from Academe is an urgent need. That’s where CRT came from: the universities
    If only you knew as much about US universities and CRT as you do about AI.
    I think you're so embedded into ground zero of liberal California you fail to recognise CRT for the cancer it is.
    CRT is a bogeyman invented by the Right to dogwhistle racism. The people pushing CRT fears are the people who claim Trump won the election and that COVID vaccines are dangerous.
    CRT is a real thing invented by the Left to practice actual racism.
    CRT contains much that is wrong, a fair amount which is unobjectionable, and a few things which are probably right but which are very uncomfortable.

    The parts that look at the fact that we are all - at times - racist without realising it come into the last category.

    Unconscious bias is something that all of us claim not to have. But I'm afraid there's a lot research that suggests it is very real. One study that took me aback involved sending fake job applications from students graduating law schools, with all information identical except the colour of the skin of the applicant in the photo. The white candidates were offered interviews at a rate much higher than the African American ones.

    There is also plenty of evidence that white professors are more likely to call upon other white students over black ones to answer questions in lectures. And are more likely to accept excuses about "circumstances" to account for bad grades.

    For what it's worth, I am sure that the same thing works the other way around too. That black professors see kindred spirits in black students and call on them more often.

    But then we do also need to take a step back.

    Unconscious bias is not just about race. In the UK, there have been studies where people are asked to judge the intelligence of a speaker. Race was not the most important factor - accent was. Even if the actual words were the same, the person with the Liverpudlian accent was considered less intelligent than the one with the soft Edinburgh burr.

    And the level of unconscious bias we now see is far, far less than the explicit and conscious bias we've had in the past. In most of the developed world the equality of opportunity for a person of colour has never been greater. Socioeconomic inequality is - realistically - a bigger issue that unconscious bias or racism.
    I believe unconscious biases are a thing. I do think it gets overblown and the level of focus some put on it, and extreme solutions devised, to be histrionic and counter productive though.
    I think that's probably right.

    But saying that the people who study them are a "cancer" seems to be an overreaction.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,364

    Oh well, Zahewi can forget ever being leader now.

    Well when PMs are replaced midterm then they are usually replaced by someone from the great offices of state.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,184
    Tim Shipman
    @ShippersUnbound
    ·
    20m
    A lot of my contacts telling me Zahawi has messed up by grabbing the Treasury crown at a difficult time. I disagree. Massive hike in name recognition and the chance to win backbench favour with a tax cut. Being chancellor for 5 mins didn't do John Major any harm
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719
    Leon said:

    Is the Daily Star front page really that well judged?

    It surely references the movie “bedtime for Bonzo”. A movie - starring one Ron Reagan - which was released in… 1951

    Only people over 80 will understand it. Yes that includes most PBers but still. Obscure or what

    People don't need to get a reference to get the point.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,209
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members
    They don't matter, they're already voting Tory anyway and don't need to be won back.

    What matters most is the plethora people who've stopped backing the Tories, all for their own varied reasons. Every "PB Tory" but you it seems, which really ought to set alarm bells going.
    They do matter, Tory members will decide the next Tory leader if Boris goes. There is also little evidence any alternative leader would do much better v Starmer than Boris is.

    You are no PB Tory, you voted Labour in 2001 and for Farage, you are a Tory leaning swing voter at most.

    You really are a moron. Now would be the perfect time not to support a political corpse. The fact that you think that supporting Johnson is the shibboleth for Conservatives is stupid beyond all reason. Personally I hope your party is utterly destroyed, since such destruction seems to be the only thing that would bring you all to your senses. Admittedly you may become supporters of a post Conservative Tory party, but as long as the crime scene off Whitehall is cleaned up, most of us, whether Tory or nor, will feel relief.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,930
    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    You keep repeating this and on one level it's right. But MPs do listen to their constituents.
    Even if MPs do decide to remove Johnson and most Tory MPs voted to keep Johnson just a month ago, it would be Tory members who have the final say on who succeeded him as PM, not Tory MPs
    They'll pick from the two options the MPs give them, they do not get an open choice
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,494
    IanB2 said:

    TSE’s tweet is poor taste for using in a lead.

    And thus entirely appropriate to the occasion.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Oh well, Zahewi can forget ever being leader now.

    How so? He is now Boris’ anointed one, demonstrably loyal when others wobble and clearly ruthless enough.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,263
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    What about current Tory voters and Tory members
    They don't matter, they're already voting Tory anyway and don't need to be won back.

    What matters most is the plethora people who've stopped backing the Tories, all for their own varied reasons. Every "PB Tory" but you it seems, which really ought to set alarm bells going.
    They do matter, Tory members will decide the next Tory leader if Boris goes. There is also little evidence any alternative leader would do much better v Starmer than Boris is.

    You are no PB Tory, you voted Labour in 2001 and for Farage, you are a Tory leaning swing voter at most.

    The mps will chose 2 and then the membership votes on the two so in effect the mps are more important than the membership

    And the conservatives party needs votes from @BartholomewRoberts, myself and many others to form a government no matter how much you try to trash us
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,719

    HYUFD said:

    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.

    The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/1

    69%.

    69? @TSEofPB :raised_eyebrow:
    69% ? who cares what the public think - the only people that matter are the small rump of the Tory party left. The rest of the public can bugger off.

    (Is that how it goes?)

    Until the next general election the only people who will decide the PM are Tory MPs and Tory members
    You keep repeating this and on one level it's right. But MPs do listen to their constituents.
    Even if MPs do decide to remove Johnson and most Tory MPs voted to keep Johnson just a month ago, it would be Tory members who have the final say on who succeeded him as PM, not Tory MPs
    They'll pick from the two options the MPs give them, they do not get an open choice
    Genuinely sensible system.

    The Labour system for screening terrible candidates was not as good, but not awful, if they had actually followed its intent.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Oh well, Zahewi can forget ever being leader now.

    Well when PMs are replaced midterm then they are usually replaced by someone from the great offices of state.
    Not usually, always for the last 100 years.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781
    Leon said:

    Is the Daily Star front page really that well judged?

    It surely references the movie “bedtime for Bonzo”. A movie - starring one Ron Reagan - which was released in… 1951

    Only people over 80 will understand it. Yes that includes most PBers but still. Obscure or what

    I think you may be overthinking this one old chap. It refers to Bozo the Clown and the curtains are part of the circus act, (that is, rather than Johnsons penchant for the beef variety).
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952

    Tim Shipman
    @ShippersUnbound
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    A lot of my contacts telling me Zahawi has messed up by grabbing the Treasury crown at a difficult time. I disagree. Massive hike in name recognition and the chance to win backbench favour with a tax cut. Being chancellor for 5 mins didn't do John Major any harm

    That's what I was saying.
    He's moved from the fourth row to pole position just before the green light.
    And shown he's crafty and ruthless.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,364
    I am going to bed and the phone will be switched off.
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