It’s interesting that the number of remain voters who think it’s had a positive effect has doubled.
Up 5%, while the percentage of Remain voters thinking it has been negative is up 19% and the number of Leave voters negative is up 12%.
Far fewer in any category are in the undecided, and the momentum is to the negatives, anything else is a wilful distortion.
It’s becoming the consensus. Whether that means there will ever be a consensus for rejoin is another matter.
The worry is that public opinion becomes “Brexit was a mistake, but we made our bed so we’ll just have to suffer”. Admirable stoicism but not really very constructive.
The English made the bed so the Irish and Scots will just have to suffer.
Sorry, forgot to acknowledge my nation’s racial inferiority.
Revealed - secret Tory plans to disrupt council meetings.
It is suggested this is based on something the Tories may have sent out from HQ. Leaked to the local paper in Wokingham.
From the Wokingham Today website:-
WOKINGHAM Conservatives have hatched a secret plan to disrupt council meetings as much as possible.
A briefing given to councillors lays out a number of tactics including interfering speeches, accusations of bias and taking credit for the policies of other parties.
@GlasgowPam outlined what I feel is the most powerful argument in the unionist arsenal. One which when earnestly made always lands: that indy is effectively abandoning working class people across the UK. I don't agree, but Yessers have never really dealt with that moral argument
So please vote for Sir Keir just in case not enough of those working class people across the UK who backed Brexit and BJ don't vote for him. Oh, and don't worry about abandoning those working class people in the EU, they're forrins.
Revealed - secret Tory plans to disrupt council meetings.
It is suggested this is based on something the Tories may have sent out from HQ. Leaked to the local paper in Wokingham.
From the Wokingham Today website:-
WOKINGHAM Conservatives have hatched a secret plan to disrupt council meetings as much as possible.
A briefing given to councillors lays out a number of tactics including interfering speeches, accusations of bias and taking credit for the policies of other parties.
I don't think Brexit has made life better, but then the purpose of Brexit was not, in and of itself, to make life better. Going out of your front door in the morning doesn't necessarily make your life better - you could be flattened by a Number 22 bus. But it is necessary if you have ambitions beyond sitting at home eating pies.
We cannot afford the pies now, even if they could be produced or transported to the shops.
Revealed - secret Tory plans to disrupt council meetings.
It is suggested this is based on something the Tories may have sent out from HQ. Leaked to the local paper in Wokingham.
From the Wokingham Today website:-
WOKINGHAM Conservatives have hatched a secret plan to disrupt council meetings as much as possible.
A briefing given to councillors lays out a number of tactics including interfering speeches, accusations of bias and taking credit for the policies of other parties.
Revealed - secret Tory plans to disrupt council meetings.
It is suggested this is based on something the Tories may have sent out from HQ. Leaked to the local paper in Wokingham.
From the Wokingham Today website:-
WOKINGHAM Conservatives have hatched a secret plan to disrupt council meetings as much as possible.
A briefing given to councillors lays out a number of tactics including interfering speeches, accusations of bias and taking credit for the policies of other parties.
Welsh Secretary Simon Hart all-but calls for Chris Pincher to lose the Tory whip: "I think I know what I'd like to see happen - I think you can tell from the way I'm trying to avoid answering your question." https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1542752360023441408
Taking a trip down pb memory lane - and sort of on topic - this is a remarkably prophetic article from David Herdson from way back in 2014. The writers we have here (and, in some cases, had) are astounding:
Having already proven that she knows fuck all about the Culture and Media parts of her brief, it was only fair that Nadine Dorries should do the same for Sport. #NadineDorries
Having already proven that she knows fuck all about the Culture and Media parts of her brief, it was only fair that Nadine Dorries should do the same for Sport. #NadineDorries
Nadine Dorries does seem ignorant and uniquely incurious about her brief, which has led to previous errors on the funding and ownership of Channels 4 and 5, as well as downstreamed movies and tennis pitches.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
Just spent five minutes on Twitter, as I like to see what tim is saying.
Dear god reading some typical posts (tweets from Angela Rayner and Sue Perkins were on my timeline for some reason) from the left and some remainers is enough to turn any sensible person into a rabid and frothing committed Conservative voter.
I went to a school where rugby was played, and I have zero idea about the differences between union and league, and which parts of the country play which. I can't even remember which my school played.
Which is fair enough; I have no need to know. It's an irrelevance to me, even though I know it matters to hundreds of thousands. But if Dorries opines about it, she should make sure she knows what she's saying is correct. It's not just an indication that she has a loose mouth; it's a sign her department is not working well with her.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
Welsh Secretary Simon Hart all-but calls for Chris Pincher to lose the Tory whip: "I think I know what I'd like to see happen - I think you can tell from the way I'm trying to avoid answering your question." https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1542752360023441408
Just spent five minutes on Twitter, as I like to see what tim is saying.
Dear god reading some typical posts (tweets from Angela Rayner and Sue Perkins were on my timeline for some reason) from the left and some remainers is enough to turn any sensible person into a rabid and frothing committed Conservative voter.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Just spent five minutes on Twitter, as I like to see what tim is saying.
Dear god reading some typical posts (tweets from Angela Rayner and Sue Perkins were on my timeline for some reason) from the left and some remainers is enough to turn any sensible person into a rabid and frothing committed Conservative voter.
That is how Tories always justify voting for the priapic clown, and his coterie of cronies.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
I think it depends on the number of other flights that have arrived about the time you arrive.
First plane in a while you will sail through security, last of 15 planes in a 20 minute window you are going to be waiting some time.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
3 hrs getting through Lisbon passport control. We estimated a queue of 1000 (see my posts while in the queue). We seemed to have coincided with a lot of Americans arriving. Trip back to Gatwick was ok.
No queues in Lisbon EU gates. All gates were open and once you got to the front of the queue people were also funneled to the EU and priority gates which were empty.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
3 hrs getting through Lisbon passport control. We estimated a queue of 1000 (see my posts while in the queue). We seemed to have coincided with a lot of Americans arriving. Trip back to Gatwick was ok.
No queues in Lisbon EU gates. All gates were open and once you got to the front of the queue people were also funneled to the EU and priority gates which were empty.
Just spent five minutes on Twitter, as I like to see what tim is saying.
Dear god reading some typical posts (tweets from Angela Rayner and Sue Perkins were on my timeline for some reason) from the left and some remainers is enough to turn any sensible person into a rabid and frothing committed Conservative voter.
That is how Tories always justify voting for the priapic clown, and his coterie of cronies.
Well I justified voting for him in 2019 because of the alternative.
I would like not to have that problem next time round.
Odesa Oblast Governor Serhii Bratchuk reported early on July 1 that Russian missile hit a 9-story high-rise and another targeted a leisure complex in Bilhorod-Dnistrovsky District.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
You're a skiier? I always had you down as a Leaver.
Just spent five minutes on Twitter, as I like to see what tim is saying.
Dear god reading some typical posts (tweets from Angela Rayner and Sue Perkins were on my timeline for some reason) from the left and some remainers is enough to turn any sensible person into a rabid and frothing committed Conservative voter.
That is how Tories always justify voting for the priapic clown, and his coterie of cronies.
Well I justified voting for him in 2019 because of the alternative.
I would like not to have that problem next time round.
Vote Conservative to keep the oiks out of the opera!
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
I hate flying because of the hassle. I travelled quite a bit during the pandemic and was spoilt by how easy it was. Travel to Lisbon was a shock as it brought us back down to earth about how awful it is.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
I hate flying because of the hassle. I travelled quite a bit during the pandemic and was spoilt by how easy it was. Travel to Lisbon was a shock as it brought us back down to earth about how awful it it.
I dislike flying, and part of that is the airport experience, which is fairly horrible for the hoi polloi.
To the extent I wonder if it is deliberate: the people who are flying will need to fly anyway, and if they have a poor experience, they might be more likely to pay for upgrades.
F1: already backed, and mentioned, Sainz to win each way at 14 and Perez at 10.5 (odds may have altered). Also backed the Spaniard to top FP1 each way at 8.5. Odds there down to 6, might still be value.
Had a £1 free bet. Slung it on Hamilton for FP1 at 17, on the off-chance the upgrades work very well. I suspect even if they're good then the gap to the top teams will remain, just a little narrower than before.
In May we reported claims that a member of the govt had a “minder” to ensure he left events without drinking too much and getting into trouble — and can now reveal the MP concerned was Pincher.
Football: trying to dip my toe back into this with tiny bets on European title winners.
Opted for: Chelsea, 16, each way. Sevilla 23 Borussia Dortmund 9.5 Napoli 14
Thoughts?
Gone for these as potential trading bets as well as possibly coming off. Avoided the French as PSG seem to have it sewn up and locking up money at such low odds does not appeal.
Edited extra bit: and I was intrigued to see AC Milan as third favourite (tight odds, mind) despite being defending champions.
Edited extra bit2, edit harder: and I have a comedically tiny sum on the accumulator, with odds of about 45,000/1. Ahem.
"No. 10 view: A No. 10 source said that allegations about Pincher had been conveyed to the PM’s chief of staff Steve Barclay, who flagged them to the Cabinet Office propriety and ethics team during the February reshuffle and refused to sign off the appointment until they were looked at. Pincher’s appointment was signed off only after PET gave it the green light, the No. 10 source claimed, something which delayed the reshuffle by hours (though it was reported at the time that the delay was partly down to Pincher resisting the deputy title when he had been expecting to get the top job).
Open secret: In this essential piece in May, POLITICO’s Esther Webber reported claims that a member of the government had a “minder” to ensure he left events without drinking too much and getting into trouble — and we can now reveal the MP concerned was Pincher. That obviously went well. He did not respond to a request for comment last night, and a senior party official said they were not aware of the claim."
SSI - How would YOU like to have "served on Cabinet Office propriety and ethics team under Prime Minister Boris Johnson" on YOUR future resume?
In May we reported claims that a member of the govt had a “minder” to ensure he left events without drinking too much and getting into trouble — and can now reveal the MP concerned was Pincher.
I did wonder if the sensible course for her was not to talk about things she doesn't know about. But being a Secretary of State and a Trappist monk at the same time is a tricky operation, well beyond her intellect.
Apparently the Johnson administration is working to a script that the Carry On team turned down as being too ridiculous and too bad taste.
It would have been good to see Charles Hawtrey play Rees Mogg, Babs Windsor play Truss and Sid James play the PM. I am not sure about Williams Sunak and Breslaws Patel.
I did wonder if the sensible course for her was not to talk about things she doesn't know about. But being a Secretary of State and a Trappist monk at the same time is a tricky operation, well beyond her intellect.
The reason Nads is a cabinet minister is to keep BoZo in his job.
She doesn't actually need to make any speeches to fulfil that role
Where do they find these people to become tory MPs?
Is there a special unit dedicated to tracking down people with "problems" and persuading them they should apply to be a MP?
There were dozens of exemplary Tory MPS expelled by BoZo for being rational and competent.
He replaced them with sycophants and zealots, many of whom also appear to be in his own image (unfit for office of any kind)
I know you're desperate to blame all the world's ills on "BoZo" but considering that Pincher has been an MP since 2010, I'm not sure you can blame the fact he's an MP on "BoZo".
Apparently the Johnson administration is working to a script that the Carry On team turned down as being too ridiculous and too bad taste.
It would have been good to see Charles Hawtrey play Rees Mogg, Babs Windsor play Truss and Sid James play the PM. I am not sure about Williams Sunak and Breslaws Patel.
"It seems like another day, another Conservative party scandal".
Labour MP Ellie Reeves questions how Chris Pincher got his job in the first place "given that he previously had to resign from government due to similar allegations".
"It seems like another day, another Conservative party scandal".
Labour MP Ellie Reeves questions how Chris Pincher got his job in the first place "given that he previously had to resign from government due to similar allegations".
For me the honest answer I'd have to give is that Brexit has neither made "daily life" better or worse, its pretty indifferent to be honest.
But that wasn't the point of Brexit.
Brexit is an incremental burn of rising costs and bureaucracy. The costs of which slowly add up
Slowly ?
We're in a row with a supplier that wants to charge us quarter of a million of german VAT.
Fuck the culture war aspects, it's seriously expensive for UK business. Now if St Bart can find me any business that has substantially benefitted I'm all ears.
In May we reported claims that a member of the govt had a “minder” to ensure he left events without drinking too much and getting into trouble — and can now reveal the MP concerned was Pincher.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
You're a skiier? I always had you down as a Leaver.
Apparently the Johnson administration is working to a script that the Carry On team turned down as being too ridiculous and too bad taste.
It would have been good to see Charles Hawtrey play Rees Mogg, Babs Windsor play Truss and Sid James play the PM. I am not sure about Williams Sunak and Breslaws Patel.
Windsor as Dorries, and Hattie Jacques as Truss…?
Lawrence Fox as Dorries & Barbara Windsor as Boris
"It seems like another day, another Conservative party scandal".
Labour MP Ellie Reeves questions how Chris Pincher got his job in the first place "given that he previously had to resign from government due to similar allegations".
For me the honest answer I'd have to give is that Brexit has neither made "daily life" better or worse, its pretty indifferent to be honest.
But that wasn't the point of Brexit.
I assume you don't travel. Queues, pets, 90 day limit. All impact me, friends and family badly. 3 hour queue in Lisbon, cancelled trip to France as couldn't get dog documents in time, have to plan travelling with a dog weeks/months in advance, 90 day limit completely buggered two friends. One camped in motorhome on son's drive having had to return from EU, another having to go thru hoops re his villa in Portugal and travel limited.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
I hate flying because of the hassle. I travelled quite a bit during the pandemic and was spoilt by how easy it was. Travel to Lisbon was a shock as it brought us back down to earth about how awful it is.
In airports which have a lot of non-EU flights (Brazil and Lusophone Africa for Lisbon), the the risk will always be long passport queues for non-EU citizens. It's the same when you fly to the US. You could be lucky and be on a flight that lands before the one from Mexico or Colombia, or you could be in a queue for hours.
The simple solution is for the UK and EU to agree a deal that allows respective citizens unlimited stays, but with no right of residency, access to medical treatment or work. It really can't be beyond the wit of man to sort this out.
Sky reporting 2 shadow cabinet ministers are being investigated over sexual misconduct and a labour mp has been suspended over bullying and it is not confined to the conservative party as also evidenced in the suspension of a SNP mp
Irrespective, it is clear that the recent revelations have been of conservative mps unacceptable behaviour and it just adds to the chaotic nature of the Johnson administration
Where do they find these people to become tory MPs?
Is there a special unit dedicated to tracking down people with "problems" and persuading them they should apply to be a MP?
There were dozens of exemplary Tory MPS expelled by BoZo for being rational and competent.
He replaced them with sycophants and zealots, many of whom also appear to be in his own image (unfit for office of any kind)
I know you're desperate to blame all the world's ills on "BoZo" but considering that Pincher has been an MP since 2010, I'm not sure you can blame the fact he's an MP on "BoZo".
The fact that he is still a Tory MP is down to Boris Johnson, as is the fact that he was given a government job.
For me the honest answer I'd have to give is that Brexit has neither made "daily life" better or worse, its pretty indifferent to be honest.
But that wasn't the point of Brexit.
Wtf was the point then?
I am waiting on essential personal medical supplies which have now been delayed for the first time ever. They are made in Germany. Four weeks late and counting.
To be fair the UK distributor I use, who have been excellent all the time I have used them, are being rather reticent about the reason so we will have to see how it pans out and what they label as the reason. They have been studiously neutral about Brexit in all their comms over the past 6 or 7 years, which is fair enough.
Fortunately with all the uncertainty after the Brexit vote, I decided to build up and keep a couple of months' extra stock, so I am ok for a few weeks yet.
I guess that could be deemed an indirect benefit of Brexit?
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
3 hrs getting through Lisbon passport control. We estimated a queue of 1000 (see my posts while in the queue). We seemed to have coincided with a lot of Americans arriving. Trip back to Gatwick was ok.
No queues in Lisbon EU gates. All gates were open and once you got to the front of the queue people were also funneled to the EU and priority gates which were empty.
Sorry to hear that - sounds awful.
It sounds like they need to staff more desks to meet demand and haven't adjusted yet.
I haven't had this issue flying into Canada or the USA, for example.
For me the honest answer I'd have to give is that Brexit has neither made "daily life" better or worse, its pretty indifferent to be honest.
But that wasn't the point of Brexit.
Brexit is an incremental burn of rising costs and bureaucracy. The costs of which slowly add up
Slowly ?
We're in a row with a supplier that wants to charge us quarter of a million of german VAT.
Fuck the culture war aspects, it's seriously expensive for UK business. Now if St Bart can find me any business that has substantially benefitted I'm all ears.
Tax lawyers perhaps.
Not particularly. Our customs colleagues have been doing pretty well though.
Morning all! With respect to the Brexit making people's lives better / worse and what does it matter now - it matters.
Quite simply comments like "nobody voted to make their daily lives better" are utterly ignorant of what so many red wall voters expected.
So it is a serious problem for the government that things have got worse and not better for many of these voters. Yes Covid and Ukraine etc etc but we are talking voters barely engaged with politics. They don't know or care about such details.
Brexit has failed because the NHS has got worse and prices have gone up and wages haven't. It's that simple. That we can't rejoin any time soon doesn't matter, people won't forget about it and move on. What they will do is hold their new Tory MPs to account...
For me the honest answer I'd have to give is that Brexit has neither made "daily life" better or worse, its pretty indifferent to be honest.
But that wasn't the point of Brexit.
Brexit is an incremental burn of rising costs and bureaucracy. The costs of which slowly add up
Slowly ?
We're in a row with a supplier that wants to charge us quarter of a million of german VAT.
Fuck the culture war aspects, it's seriously expensive for UK business. Now if St Bart can find me any business that has substantially benefitted I'm all ears.
Tax lawyers perhaps.
I always brought up the issue of carnets for temporary exports as that was always an issue for me. Obvious people being hit by this are F1 and bands. I spoke to someone in the exhibition business the other day. He said it was a nightmare. Made business practically impossible.
Morning all! With respect to the Brexit making people's lives better / worse and what does it matter now - it matters.
Quite simply comments like "nobody voted to make their daily lives better" are utterly ignorant of what so many red wall voters expected.
So it is a serious problem for the government that things have got worse and not better for many of these voters. Yes Covid and Ukraine etc etc but we are talking voters barely engaged with politics. They don't know or care about such details.
Brexit has failed because the NHS has got worse and prices have gone up and wages haven't. It's that simple. That we can't rejoin any time soon doesn't matter, people won't forget about it and move on. What they will do is hold their new Tory MPs to account...
Brexit is pretty special in that it hasn’t yet realised any benefit promised or otherwise. The rewriting of history to say that Brexit was never intended to yield benefits doesn’t really wash.
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
I hate flying because of the hassle. I travelled quite a bit during the pandemic and was spoilt by how easy it was. Travel to Lisbon was a shock as it brought us back down to earth about how awful it is.
I think I'd be tempted by taking the ferry from Portsmouth to Bilbao if I was holidaying in northern/central Spain now, or the train.
I've done Eurostar to Paris before and then the sleeper to Madrid, followed by a high speed train to Malaga for a wedding in the Costa de Sol.
Everyone in Westminster knows Pincher is going to end up having the whip withdrawn today. Except for the Prime Minister and the Chief Whip. Again, who is actually running the Tory party. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1542771111020171265
Brexit is pretty special in that it hasn’t yet realised any benefit promised or otherwise. The rewriting of history to say that Brexit was never intended to yield benefits doesn’t really wash.
Except apparently it does.
The same people who were stupid enough to vote for it are stupid enough to believe they voted for it in spite of themselves...
For me the honest answer I'd have to give is that Brexit has neither made "daily life" better or worse, its pretty indifferent to be honest.
But that wasn't the point of Brexit.
Brexit is an incremental burn of rising costs and bureaucracy. The costs of which slowly add up
Slowly ?
We're in a row with a supplier that wants to charge us quarter of a million of german VAT.
Fuck the culture war aspects, it's seriously expensive for UK business. Now if St Bart can find me any business that has substantially benefitted I'm all ears.
Tax lawyers perhaps.
I always brought up the issue of carnets for temporary exports as that was always an issue for me. Obvious people being hit by this are F1 and bands. I spoke to someone in the exhibition business the other day. He said it was a nightmare. Made business practically impossible.
Any foreign exhibition became ~20% more expensive this year within the EU I think for GB companies.
I went to a school where rugby was played, and I have zero idea about the differences between union and league, and which parts of the country play which. I can't even remember which my school played.
Which is fair enough; I have no need to know. It's an irrelevance to me, even though I know it matters to hundreds of thousands. But if Dorries opines about it, she should make sure she knows what she's saying is correct. It's not just an indication that she has a loose mouth; it's a sign her department is not working well with her.
The rules have changed a bit but the differences were: RU is a sport for posh hooligans Football is a sport for wwc hooligans Cricket a sport for middle class and posh gentlemen Rugby league a sport for wwc gentlemen (the most ignored, traduced and misunderstood group on the planet)
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
The process at the GdN from France and queues round the block at LHR otherwise.
Maybe I'm on a minor route but I also flew to Geneva in March and that wasn't my experience then either.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
I hate flying because of the hassle. I travelled quite a bit during the pandemic and was spoilt by how easy it was. Travel to Lisbon was a shock as it brought us back down to earth about how awful it is.
I think I'd be tempted by taking the ferry from Portsmouth to Bilbao if I was holidaying in northern/central Spain now, or the train.
I've done Eurostar to Paris before and then the sleeper to Madrid, followed by a high speed train to Malaga for a wedding in the Costa de Sol.
It was quite delightful.
I am doing the ferry from Plymouth to Santander next week. It's a great way to do it - if the Bay of Biscay behaves.
Is there a site that is tracking passport waiting times for UK passport holders anywhere? Would be good to know which airports and times are best to avoid the queuing time being greater than the flying time. (And can fairly easily be done from flights and phone location data I assume).
Late to the thread header but having just come back from France (flew out train back) travelling to the EU (I have only travelled to France and Greece) is unambiguously worse.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
I didn't notice any difference. Except my passport gets stamped, which I like.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
I would say it took about an hour plus extra each way. And so does every single person I have spoken to about it. Except you.
That's ridiculous.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
3 hrs getting through Lisbon passport control. We estimated a queue of 1000 (see my posts while in the queue). We seemed to have coincided with a lot of Americans arriving. Trip back to Gatwick was ok.
No queues in Lisbon EU gates. All gates were open and once you got to the front of the queue people were also funneled to the EU and priority gates which were empty.
Sorry to hear that - sounds awful.
It sounds like they need to staff more desks to meet demand and haven't adjusted yet.
I haven't had this issue flying into Canada or the USA, for example.
Every gate was open. However I think we were unlucky because the queue dropped significantly as we were in it and we were absolutely surrounded by Americans so I assume we had coincided with flights from the USA. To be honest it wasn't so bad as we weren't in a rush and I could vent my spleen on PB rather than my wife, which I would have got back in spades.
When I flew into Girona, the guard just before passport control was loudly directing the crowd, in English; "EU passports to the right, non-EU passports to the left"
As he was facing the crowd, and didn't seem to have thoroughly thought things through, his right and left were the other way round to the crowd's. After he'd directed half the Brits the wrong way, he realised and started pointing.
I was quite near the front of the crowd, so ended up at the EU desk. I think that earned me an eye roll from the lady stamping my passport.
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WOKINGHAM Conservatives have hatched a secret plan to disrupt council meetings as much as possible.
A briefing given to councillors lays out a number of tactics including interfering speeches, accusations of bias and taking credit for the policies of other parties.
The confidential document, obtained by Wokingham.Today, is titled Using Council for Effective Opposition and sets out a strategy for the party to get their “own way” during council meetings.
https://wokingham.today/revealed-wokingham-conservatives-secret-plans-to-disrupt-and-exploit-council-meetings/
Edit - perhaps that's the problem. Somebody said 'we need to Trump this Labour policy' and the policy wonks misunderstood.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/culture-secretary-nadine-dorries-gets-rugby-league-and-rugby-union-mixed-up-while-speaking-at-world-cup-event-12643212
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1542752360023441408
https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/06/28/david-herdson-says-britains-eu-exit-is-now-when-not-if/
Have you ever been seen in the same room together?
#NadineDorries
https://twitter.com/Parody_PM/status/1542524706321879040
Surely not.
The posters at the Gare du Nord reminding people of maximum alcohol, etc volume allowed to be brought back to the UK but one minor irritating element.
The worst bit is always coming back into the UK, when you have to queue up to go through full passport control, and um.. that applies to British citizens who live here, and always did.
Dear god reading some typical posts (tweets from Angela Rayner and Sue Perkins were on my timeline for some reason) from the left and some remainers is enough to turn any sensible person into a rabid and frothing committed Conservative voter.
Which is fair enough; I have no need to know. It's an irrelevance to me, even though I know it matters to hundreds of thousands. But if Dorries opines about it, she should make sure she knows what she's saying is correct. It's not just an indication that she has a loose mouth; it's a sign her department is not working well with her.
I got through passport control in about 12 minutes flying into Bulgaria on 19th June. I'm flying back to the UK tomorrow and will let you know the result but why would it be an hour extra coming *home*?
That makes no sense at all.
Simon Hart MP says he knows "what he would like to see happen" but essentially that decision is down to his boss.
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First plane in a while you will sail through security, last of 15 planes in a 20 minute window you are going to be waiting some time.
I haven't taken the train to be fair. I might do so next time though because my worst experience at Geneva was waiting 90 minutes in a long snaking queue to check-in along with hundreds of other skiers. They only had 4 desks open on a Sunday.
Horrible.
No queues in Lisbon EU gates. All gates were open and once you got to the front of the queue people were also funneled to the EU and priority gates which were empty.
No queues in Lisbon EU gates. All gates were open and once you got to the front of the queue people were also funneled to the EU and priority gates which were empty.
I would like not to have that problem next time round.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1542662443276582915
Russian missile attack on Odesa Oblast kills 10, injures 7.
Odesa Oblast Governor Serhii Bratchuk reported early on July 1 that Russian missile hit a 9-story high-rise and another targeted a leisure complex in Bilhorod-Dnistrovsky District.
To the extent I wonder if it is deliberate: the people who are flying will need to fly anyway, and if they have a poor experience, they might be more likely to pay for upgrades.
F1: already backed, and mentioned, Sainz to win each way at 14 and Perez at 10.5 (odds may have altered). Also backed the Spaniard to top FP1 each way at 8.5. Odds there down to 6, might still be value.
Had a £1 free bet. Slung it on Hamilton for FP1 at 17, on the off-chance the upgrades work very well. I suspect even if they're good then the gap to the top teams will remain, just a little narrower than before.
https://www.politico.eu/article/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-westminster-bullying-sexual-assault/
Opted for: Chelsea, 16, each way.
Sevilla 23
Borussia Dortmund 9.5
Napoli 14
Thoughts?
Gone for these as potential trading bets as well as possibly coming off. Avoided the French as PSG seem to have it sewn up and locking up money at such low odds does not appeal.
Edited extra bit: and I was intrigued to see AC Milan as third favourite (tight odds, mind) despite being defending champions.
Edited extra bit2, edit harder: and I have a comedically tiny sum on the accumulator, with odds of about 45,000/1. Ahem.
"No. 10 view: A No. 10 source said that allegations about Pincher had been conveyed to the PM’s chief of staff Steve Barclay, who flagged them to the Cabinet Office propriety and ethics team during the February reshuffle and refused to sign off the appointment until they were looked at. Pincher’s appointment was signed off only after PET gave it the green light, the No. 10 source claimed, something which delayed the reshuffle by hours (though it was reported at the time that the delay was partly down to Pincher resisting the deputy title when he had been expecting to get the top job).
Open secret: In this essential piece in May, POLITICO’s Esther Webber reported claims that a member of the government had a “minder” to ensure he left events without drinking too much and getting into trouble — and we can now reveal the MP concerned was Pincher. That obviously went well. He did not respond to a request for comment last night, and a senior party official said they were not aware of the claim."
SSI - How would YOU like to have "served on Cabinet Office propriety and ethics team under Prime Minister Boris Johnson" on YOUR future resume?
Read the story in full here ⤵️
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/30/chris-pincher-resigns-deputy-chief-whip-claims-drunkenly-groped/
BoZo gave him the job as a reward for Pincher giving him a hand (job)
Is there a special unit dedicated to tracking down people with "problems" and persuading them they should apply to be a MP?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61997353
He replaced them with sycophants and zealots, many of whom also appear to be in his own image (unfit for office of any kind)
But that wasn't the point of Brexit.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/may-2022/fall-into-the-gin-trap/
It would have been good to see Charles Hawtrey play Rees Mogg, Babs Windsor play Truss and Sid James play the PM. I am not sure about Williams Sunak and Breslaws Patel.
She doesn't actually need to make any speeches to fulfil that role
Labour MP Ellie Reeves questions how Chris Pincher got his job in the first place "given that he previously had to resign from government due to similar allegations".
https://trib.al/DHXC6I6
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https://web.archive.org/web/20180129140433/http://www.tamworthinformed.co.uk/chris-pincher-promoted-re-joins-government/
We're in a row with a supplier that wants to charge us quarter of a million of german VAT.
Fuck the culture war aspects, it's seriously expensive for UK business. Now if St Bart can find me any business that has substantially benefitted I'm all ears.
Tax lawyers perhaps.
The simple solution is for the UK and EU to agree a deal that allows respective citizens unlimited stays, but with no right of residency, access to medical treatment or work. It really can't be beyond the wit of man to sort this out.
Irrespective, it is clear that the recent revelations have been of conservative mps unacceptable behaviour and it just adds to the chaotic nature of the Johnson administration
I am waiting on essential personal medical supplies which have now been delayed for the first time ever. They are made in Germany. Four weeks late and counting.
To be fair the UK distributor I use, who have been excellent all the time I have used them, are being rather reticent about the reason so we will have to see how it pans out and what they label as the reason. They have been studiously neutral about Brexit in all their comms over the past 6 or 7 years, which is fair enough.
Fortunately with all the uncertainty after the Brexit vote, I decided to build up and keep a couple of months' extra stock, so I am ok for a few weeks yet.
I guess that could be deemed an indirect benefit of Brexit?
Worrying though.
It sounds like they need to staff more desks to meet demand and haven't adjusted yet.
I haven't had this issue flying into Canada or the USA, for example.
Quite simply comments like "nobody voted to make their daily lives better" are utterly ignorant of what so many red wall voters expected.
So it is a serious problem for the government that things have got worse and not better for many of these voters. Yes Covid and Ukraine etc etc but we are talking voters barely engaged with politics. They don't know or care about such details.
Brexit has failed because the NHS has got worse and prices have gone up and wages haven't. It's that simple. That we can't rejoin any time soon doesn't matter, people won't forget about it and move on. What they will do is hold their new Tory MPs to account...
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Increased business for customs agents
More work for tax lawyers
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Massive headache and expense for exporters
Travel disruption
Medecine delivery issues.
I've done Eurostar to Paris before and then the sleeper to Madrid, followed by a high speed train to Malaga for a wedding in the Costa de Sol.
It was quite delightful.
Everyone in Westminster knows Pincher is going to end up having the whip withdrawn today. Except for the Prime Minister and the Chief Whip. Again, who is actually running the Tory party.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1542771111020171265
The same people who were stupid enough to vote for it are stupid enough to believe they voted for it in spite of themselves...
RU is a sport for posh hooligans
Football is a sport for wwc hooligans
Cricket a sport for middle class and posh gentlemen
Rugby league a sport for wwc gentlemen (the most ignored, traduced and misunderstood group on the planet)
As he was facing the crowd, and didn't seem to have thoroughly thought things through, his right and left were the other way round to the crowd's. After he'd directed half the Brits the wrong way, he realised and started pointing.
I was quite near the front of the crowd, so ended up at the EU desk. I think that earned me an eye roll from the lady stamping my passport.