You'd hope that. I cannot believe it will matter. It was bloody obvious from the start what was going on yet 99% of Republican representatives and a massive number of Republican voters do not care. If it comes out of that inquiry, they will ignore it.
I'm afraid you are right.
Jonathon Haidt warns in this week's New Statesman that America is now the ghost of the future of western democracy unless we learn the lessons of Trump and his use of social media.
"Trump, basically a one-man response team for himself, is going after Hutchinson on his social media site, Truth Social. He's using a familiar tack, that he hardly knows "who this person, Cassidy Hutchinson, is." "
NY Time blog
It's amazing that even the very senior people whom he handpicked or said were great, once they abandon him, he declares them to be awful and he barely knew them.
Why would anyon work for such a man? Scraps from the king's table are only appealing if you are starving, and most have at least some other options.
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
"It seems that every large city in America has marked off a neighbourhood where drug addicts are free to die in the streets. San Francisco’s Tenderloin district, downtown Portland, Skid Row in Los Angeles, Hunts Point in New York, Kensington in Philadelphia: These are places where, by unspoken agreement between society and its outcasts, the normal rules cease to apply and the bodies are collected.
Where it’s warm enough, people sleep in tents or on the streets. Drugs and sex are openly sold and laws are enforced erratically. The result, which I observed during a 2019 trip to Skid Row, was a “hellish concentration of deprivation and disorder”, interspersed with a concentrated complex of non-profit and social service organisations."
Almost everybody would consider terminating a baby the day before birth to be murder.
And the vast majority would not regard the moment of fertilization (or even at a point where no-one can know if fertilization has taken place) as murder.
I would regard anything in the first trimester as absolutely fine, and anything in the third to be highly suspect - simply because at that point, they have ceased being foetuses and are now pain-feeling, potentially viable babies.
The question then becomes where to draw the line. I personally would probably draw it slightly earlier than the UK does, but accept that there are many different views, and that my calculations are not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's.
I believe that is the viewpoint of the vast majority in the UK and almost certainly a healthy majority in the US.
And was the case in practice until the SC barrelled in.
I note @HYUFD saying that the Catholic SC justices are implementing Vatican doctrine. That is the problem right there. They are not there to do this. But to interpret and rule on US law. Their religious faith should not come into it. And if they feel they can't ignore it, then they should recuse themselves or resign.
It's interesting how such moves, no matter how outrageous or shocking, do serve to shift the overton window nonetheless.
Lots of pb regulars have argued on here for reductions (some very serious reductions) in the legal abortion limit in the UK in a way over the last few days they weren't doing last week or before.
It makes me wonder how much of our famed values really are engrained in us or simply a function of social proof.
Almost everybody would consider terminating a baby the day before birth to be murder.
And the vast majority would not regard the moment of fertilization (or even at a point where no-one can know if fertilization has taken place) as murder.
I would regard anything in the first trimester as absolutely fine, and anything in the third to be highly suspect - simply because at that point, they have ceased being foetuses and are now pain-feeling, potentially viable babies.
The question then becomes where to draw the line. I personally would probably draw it slightly earlier than the UK does, but accept that there are many different views, and that my calculations are not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's.
I believe that is the viewpoint of the vast majority in the UK and almost certainly a healthy majority in the US.
And was the case in practice until the SC barrelled in.
I note @HYUFD saying that the Catholic SC justices are implementing Vatican doctrine. That is the problem right there. They are not there to do this. But to interpret and rule on US law. Their religious faith should not come into it. And if they feel they can't ignore it, then they should recuse themselves or resign.
It's interesting how such moves, no matter how outrageous or shocking, do serve to shift the overton window nonetheless.
Lots of pb regulars have argued on here for reductions (some very serious reductions) in the legal abortion limit in the UK in a way over the last few days they weren't doing last week or before.
It makes me wonder how much of our famed values really are engrained in us or simply a function of social proof.
Always blown away by the courage and debating skill of PB regulars who make blanket (and in this case false) claims about "PB regulars" rather than engage with actual posters over actual posts of things that they actually and undeniably said. Respect.
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
Well, well - look at what is in the Public Appointments Newsletter.
The interesting thing is that the last full-time one Tom Winsor retired in April. Andy Cooke is now the head, a former chief of Liverpool police. It is not entirely clear from the role profile whether he is leaving or not. And why would he leave so soon after being appointed?
Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary – Her Majesty’s Inspector Constabulary / Inspector of Fire & Rescue Authorities in England
HM Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services is an independent body that inspects and reports to the public on the efficiency and effectiveness of police forces in England and Wales, fire and rescue authorities in England and national law enforcement agencies.
➢ Location: Various ➢ Time commitment :37 hours per week ➢ ClosingDate:17/07/2022
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
Don't worry, that loud bang in Moscow wasn't a nuke, it was Putin and Lavrov spontaneously combusting.
I'd like to know what bung Erdogan got what arrangement was reached, but I did say I always thought he would fold on this.
Next step Hungary to make a sudden objection?
No
Turkey is a large powerful and geopolitically pivotal country, with crucial NATO bases. NATO needs to offer due respect, and has done so
Hungary is none of these things
Personally, I think Turkey needs a swift kick in the hole, probably on an annual basis. But nobody will do so, because they play both sides so successfully, and have regular tantrums.
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
Almost everybody would consider terminating a baby the day before birth to be murder.
And the vast majority would not regard the moment of fertilization (or even at a point where no-one can know if fertilization has taken place) as murder.
I would regard anything in the first trimester as absolutely fine, and anything in the third to be highly suspect - simply because at that point, they have ceased being foetuses and are now pain-feeling, potentially viable babies.
The question then becomes where to draw the line. I personally would probably draw it slightly earlier than the UK does, but accept that there are many different views, and that my calculations are not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's.
I believe that is the viewpoint of the vast majority in the UK and almost certainly a healthy majority in the US.
And was the case in practice until the SC barrelled in.
I note @HYUFD saying that the Catholic SC justices are implementing Vatican doctrine. That is the problem right there. They are not there to do this. But to interpret and rule on US law. Their religious faith should not come into it. And if they feel they can't ignore it, then they should recuse themselves or resign.
It's interesting how such moves, no matter how outrageous or shocking, do serve to shift the overton window nonetheless.
Lots of pb regulars have argued on here for reductions (some very serious reductions) in the legal abortion limit in the UK in a way over the last few days they weren't doing last week or before.
It makes me wonder how much of our famed values really are engrained in us or simply a function of social proof.
How many of those are women ?
I don't know. It's not a criticism of the individuals either.
I just think we're far more influenced by contemporary social mores than we'd care to admit.
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
Has there ever been a previous case where one side of a potential referendum (and the side with the power to authorise it) block it at every turn while weedily insisting they’d win it and the other side are entirely up for it despite not having any certainty of the result?
If "potential referendum" just means one that never happened, then: yes, an almost infinite number of previous cases.
Any examples, particularly with the leader of the country it concerns seeking to hold said referendum while the leader of another country with oversight of it hiding in a fridge at any mention of it?
Well, that's just needlessly restrictive. You've now framed the question so it could only ever be applied to an independence referendum of some kind.
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
Almost everybody would consider terminating a baby the day before birth to be murder.
And the vast majority would not regard the moment of fertilization (or even at a point where no-one can know if fertilization has taken place) as murder.
I would regard anything in the first trimester as absolutely fine, and anything in the third to be highly suspect - simply because at that point, they have ceased being foetuses and are now pain-feeling, potentially viable babies.
The question then becomes where to draw the line. I personally would probably draw it slightly earlier than the UK does, but accept that there are many different views, and that my calculations are not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's.
I believe that is the viewpoint of the vast majority in the UK and almost certainly a healthy majority in the US.
And was the case in practice until the SC barrelled in.
I note @HYUFD saying that the Catholic SC justices are implementing Vatican doctrine. That is the problem right there. They are not there to do this. But to interpret and rule on US law. Their religious faith should not come into it. And if they feel they can't ignore it, then they should recuse themselves or resign.
It's interesting how such moves, no matter how outrageous or shocking, do serve to shift the overton window nonetheless.
Lots of pb regulars have argued on here for reductions (some very serious reductions) in the legal abortion limit in the UK in a way over the last few days they weren't doing last week or before.
It makes me wonder how much of our famed values really are engrained in us or simply a function of social proof.
I noticed that too. "I don't agree with this but ..." type sentiment. I found it a bit disappointing but good spot. Source of someone's values? That's a big question.
Well, well - look at what is in the Public Appointments Newsletter.
The interesting thing is that the last full-time one Tom Winsor retired in April. Andy Cooke is now the head, a former chief of Liverpool police. It is not entirely clear from the role profile whether he is leaving or not. And why would he leave so soon after being appointed?
Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary – Her Majesty’s Inspector Constabulary / Inspector of Fire & Rescue Authorities in England
HM Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Services is an independent body that inspects and reports to the public on the efficiency and effectiveness of police forces in England and Wales, fire and rescue authorities in England and national law enforcement agencies.
➢ Location: Various ➢ Time commitment :37 hours per week ➢ ClosingDate:17/07/2022
Would like to suggest a nomination:
Deputy Sheriff B. Fife of Mayberry, NC a proven crime-fighter truly dedicated to highest ideals of law enforcement.
So right there a step up from Met's usual suspects?
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
The obvious thing would be the planes the US wouldn't send them because they'd bought the Russian anti-aircraft missiles. Other thoughts would be something to do with Syria, or simply some money to help with the economy.
Almost everybody would consider terminating a baby the day before birth to be murder.
And the vast majority would not regard the moment of fertilization (or even at a point where no-one can know if fertilization has taken place) as murder.
I would regard anything in the first trimester as absolutely fine, and anything in the third to be highly suspect - simply because at that point, they have ceased being foetuses and are now pain-feeling, potentially viable babies.
The question then becomes where to draw the line. I personally would probably draw it slightly earlier than the UK does, but accept that there are many different views, and that my calculations are not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's.
I believe that is the viewpoint of the vast majority in the UK and almost certainly a healthy majority in the US.
And was the case in practice until the SC barrelled in.
I note @HYUFD saying that the Catholic SC justices are implementing Vatican doctrine. That is the problem right there. They are not there to do this. But to interpret and rule on US law. Their religious faith should not come into it. And if they feel they can't ignore it, then they should recuse themselves or resign.
It's interesting how such moves, no matter how outrageous or shocking, do serve to shift the overton window nonetheless.
Lots of pb regulars have argued on here for reductions (some very serious reductions) in the legal abortion limit in the UK in a way over the last few days they weren't doing last week or before.
It makes me wonder how much of our famed values really are engrained in us or simply a function of social proof.
How many of those are women ?
I don't know. It's not a criticism of the individuals either.
I just think we're far more influenced by contemporary social mores than we'd care to admit.
Hence my question, as I’m sceptical about that claim.
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
Trump urged armed supporters to storm Capitol says aide: BBC
This is unbelievably brave by the woman testifying.
"Cheney says that Trump allies have been intimidating committee witnesses in messages that sound more like Mafia warnings than communications with a former president’s aides. “He wants me to let you know he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal.” "
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
@haynesdeborah BREAKING: The leaders of Turkey, Sweden & Finland have just signed a memorandum for the two Nordic states to join NATO, removing a Turkish block to the accession process, a source said. “It’s a three-way agreement on accession,” the source said. @jensstoltenberg to make statement
Mrs Stodge returned last night from the monthly Police meeting and had a grim report of the current state of policing in Newham.
East Ham High Street is apparently a "crime hot spot" with widespread pickpocketing and other mostly non-violent thefts and anti-social behaviour especially but not exclusively in the evenings. This brought a delegation of store owners and tenants to the meeting to express their "disappointment" (let's say) at the lack of Police action.
The Beat Sergeant present (who I know and is the one for our patch) held very little back. Normally, each Ward would have a Sergeant, a dedicated Police Officer and a at least two PCOs. None of the East Ham Wards have that strength - most have one Sergeant and a PCO at present. Maintaining any kind of presence is now very difficult and means taking resources from other areas.
The closure of Police offices across the Borough (gleefully carried out by the then-Mayor of London (whatever happened to him?) under the instructions of the then-Home Secretary (whatever happened to her?) means any suspects taken into custody have to go to either Forest Gate or Stratford which takes officers off patrol for extended periods.
Yes, new officers have been recruited but most are not seeing out their basic training and are moving into better-paid work elsewhere. The shortage of workers affecting and distorting the whole economy is also being felt in terms of Police recruitment and more importantly retention.
Trump urged armed supporters to storm Capitol says aide: BBC
This is unbelievably brave by the woman testifying.
"Cheney says that Trump allies have been intimidating committee witnesses in messages that sound more like Mafia warnings than communications with a former president’s aides. “He wants me to let you know he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal.” "
NY Times blog
Cohen basically said that a couple of years ago, implying that goons would threaten women who Trump wanted silenced. Trump is a liar, crook, and a traitor. And that's just for starters, you can go read up on some of the things that never made it to court when people changed their mind at the last moment for whatever reason.
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
69/ According to Hutchinson, Trump said he didn't care how many weapons the mob had "because they're not here to hurt me." He said they were there to march on Congress—with weapons—and that was fine with him.
This is the biggest political bombshell America has ever heard.
Mrs Stodge returned last night from the monthly Police meeting and had a grim report of the current state of policing in Newham.
East Ham High Street is apparently a "crime hot spot" with widespread pickpocketing and other mostly non-violent thefts and anti-social behaviour especially but not exclusively in the evenings. This brought a delegation of store owners and tenants to the meeting to express their "disappointment" (let's say) at the lack of Police action.
The Beat Sergeant present (who I know and is the one for our patch) held very little back. Normally, each Ward would have a Sergeant, a dedicated Police Officer and a at least two PCOs. None of the East Ham Wards have that strength - most have one Sergeant and a PCO at present. Maintaining any kind of presence is now very difficult and means taking resources from other areas.
The closure of Police offices across the Borough (gleefully carried out by the then-Mayor of London (whatever happened to him?) under the instructions of the then-Home Secretary (whatever happened to her?) means any suspects taken into custody have to go to either Forest Gate or Stratford which takes officers off patrol for extended periods.
Yes, new officers have been recruited but most are not seeing out their basic training and are moving into better-paid work elsewhere. The shortage of workers affecting and distorting the whole economy is also being felt in terms of Police recruitment and more importantly retention.
So Boris & Theresa were father & mother of Defund the Police movement?
Trump urged armed supporters to storm Capitol says aide: BBC
This is unbelievably brave by the woman testifying.
"Cheney says that Trump allies have been intimidating committee witnesses in messages that sound more like Mafia warnings than communications with a former president’s aides. “He wants me to let you know he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal.” "
NY Times blog
That's just creepy, but believable.
At what point did political loyalty become more like religious devotion?
Following on from that, I'm left with the observation:
"Where Have All the Workers Gone?"
I've read conflicting reports suggesting up to half a million have left work since the start of the Pandemic and the number of economically inactive people is at a record level.
As staff leave and aren't replaced, what then for those left? Longer hours, more stress until they walk or are forced to go? It's a serious problem for which, it seems, no one in Government (or Opposition to be fair) and a problem to which no one in Government (or Opposition to be fair) has any solutions.
One might have thought spending money on improving business processes and especially using more automaton might be an approach but that would be a sea change after years of cheap and plentiful labour but one which businesses and institutions might want to consider if possible or practical.
Anecdotally, I hear of big problems within the adult social care sector, both private and public, concerning retention of qualified social workers and key carers.
Trump urged armed supporters to storm Capitol says aide: BBC
This is unbelievably brave by the woman testifying.
"Cheney says that Trump allies have been intimidating committee witnesses in messages that sound more like Mafia warnings than communications with a former president’s aides. “He wants me to let you know he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal.” "
NY Times blog
That's just creepy, but believable.
At what point did political loyalty become more like religious devotion?
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
Almost everybody would consider terminating a baby the day before birth to be murder.
And the vast majority would not regard the moment of fertilization (or even at a point where no-one can know if fertilization has taken place) as murder.
I would regard anything in the first trimester as absolutely fine, and anything in the third to be highly suspect - simply because at that point, they have ceased being foetuses and are now pain-feeling, potentially viable babies.
The question then becomes where to draw the line. I personally would probably draw it slightly earlier than the UK does, but accept that there are many different views, and that my calculations are not necessarily going to be the same as someone else's.
I believe that is the viewpoint of the vast majority in the UK and almost certainly a healthy majority in the US.
And was the case in practice until the SC barrelled in.
I note @HYUFD saying that the Catholic SC justices are implementing Vatican doctrine. That is the problem right there. They are not there to do this. But to interpret and rule on US law. Their religious faith should not come into it. And if they feel they can't ignore it, then they should recuse themselves or resign.
It's interesting how such moves, no matter how outrageous or shocking, do serve to shift the overton window nonetheless.
Lots of pb regulars have argued on here for reductions (some very serious reductions) in the legal abortion limit in the UK in a way over the last few days they weren't doing last week or before.
It makes me wonder how much of our famed values really are engrained in us or simply a function of social proof.
How many of those are women ?
I don't know. It's not a criticism of the individuals either.
I just think we're far more influenced by contemporary social mores than we'd care to admit.
Hence my question, as I’m sceptical about that claim.
From my seat it wasn't so much people arguing for tighter limits here, it was more lots of distractive waffle about "difficult issue", "two sides to it", "all they've done is reversed bad law and sent it back to the states" etc.
But let's me not refight things from only yesterday. I'll go mad if I keep doing that.
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
69/ According to Hutchinson, Trump said he didn't care how many weapons the mob had "because they're not here to hurt me." He said they were there to march on Congress—with weapons—and that was fine with him.
This is the biggest political bombshell America has ever heard.
Ever.
And all wasted effort. Sad times.
"she stands in a class of her own: someone who was repeatedly in the physical presence of Donald Trump and his top agent in Washington, Mark Meadows. That’s simply *huge*. "
Maybe, just maybe, the revelation that he tried to wrestle the car's steering wheel from his security team in order to join the insurrection will finally be enough to wake enough american citizens to the looming end of their demos republic if they don't jail him and bar him from office before 2024.
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
It seems pretty obvious that he was delighted that people were rioting on his behalf. And I am sure witnesses have been leant on not to testify against him. That's not really new information; it's still not a coup, and I think it's a little naive to think this sort of show trial will shift the dial given the polarisation of the discussion. Those who sympathise with Trump will just see the Democrats settling scores. Those already outraged by Trump will be still more outraged.
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
The caps suggest that’s you, as much as America “wanting this”.
They won’t slam him in jail; they will drag him through the courts for a long, long time first.
Don’t be an arse. America is the last best guarantor of western freedom. It is bad enough it is in such perilous decline, I don’t want it convulsed in actual civil strife, turning away from its allies
Imagine the Ukraine war without America firmly behind us, supporting Europe. Putin would be in Riga by Friday and Warsaw by the weekend
I absolutely despise the American Left but right now, right this minute, the best thing that can happen and the first thing that must happen is this: the monstrous Trump should be dragged away and silenced, forever, but in a manner that somehow does not provoke his followers
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
Clearly guilty but good luck getting a jury to convict......nothing has changed imo.
So, yeh, no way that Trump would have noticed her being as she was like four offices away from him on same corridor and she is an attractive woman.
Remember Brown not being aware of McBride's attempted Red Rag smear of Cameron?
Although McBride was not an attractive woman, and I doubt Brown was attracted to him in the least. At least looks-wise.
Don't remember. But to be honest, whatever this event was, it does not compare with an attempted coup and violent insurrection with threats to literally kill the veep.
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
Good afternoon. Isn't it more likely that a Tory MP would defect to the LDs than Labour?
My MP in the (by that time- 2000?) very safe seat of Leominster, a longstanding Conservative MP and son of a Conservative MP, the very urbane Peter Temple-Morris crossed the floor (via Independent). He was made a Lord after the next election by Blair and never seemed to regret his decision. He was still involved in policy advising up to his death during the Corbyn era.
Am I correct in my reading that you see such a move as akin to trading the Maybach for a Moskvitch?
Politico.com - Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 years in prison The sentence was the punctuation mark on a trial that explored the sordid rituals of a predator power couple who courted the rich and famous as they lured vulnerable girls and then exploited them.
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
It seems pretty obvious that he was delighted that people were rioting on his behalf. And I am sure witnesses have been leant on not to testify against him. That's not really new information; it's still not a coup, and I think it's a little naive to think this sort of show trial will shift the dial given the polarisation of the discussion. Those who sympathise with Trump will just see the Democrats settling scores. Those already outraged by Trump will be still more outraged.
I don't get the objection to the word coup, seemingly based on a highly technical and restrictive definition and that it failed.
His words and actions encouraged a mob to storm a legislature with the intent of preventing a lawful transfer of power, so that their preferred leader could remain in office, and we know his aides explored ways to achieve the same end.
That's a coup attempt.
I agree it won't shift the dial at all, but even if it is a 'show trial', there seems to be some shocking stuff being shown that should lead some people to question themselves, even though it won't.
Frank Luntz @FrankLuntz · 28m Not only was today’s hearing devastating to Donald Trump, I’m told by law experts that people will end up in jail as a result.
Today’s hearings will have serious legal, political, and electoral consequences. Guaranteed.
Politico.com - Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 years in prison The sentence was the punctuation mark on a trial that explored the sordid rituals of a predator power couple who courted the rich and famous as they lured vulnerable girls and then exploited them.
Politico.com - Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 years in prison The sentence was the punctuation mark on a trial that explored the sordid rituals of a predator power couple who courted the rich and famous as they lured vulnerable girls and then exploited them.
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
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Frank Luntz @FrankLuntz · 49m Also: Cassidy Hutchinson is testifying under oath – her detractors on Truth Social are not.
Bill Kristol @BillKristol · 1h A sign of hope for America: Bennie Thompson, a Democratic member of Congress born in segregated Mississippi; Liz Cheney, a Republican member of Congress risking her political future; and Cassidy Hutchinson, a young woman telling the truth when her elders have avoided doing so.
I remember when PB was properly exciting. One day a council by election in Newent, three days later, ANOTHER council by election in Newent, one after the other. Then at the weekend we’d talk about rugby league
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
69/ According to Hutchinson, Trump said he didn't care how many weapons the mob had "because they're not here to hurt me." He said they were there to march on Congress—with weapons—and that was fine with him.
This is the biggest political bombshell America has ever heard.
Ever.
And all wasted effort. Sad times.
"she stands in a class of her own: someone who was repeatedly in the physical presence of Donald Trump and his top agent in Washington, Mark Meadows. That’s simply *huge*. "
Seth Abramson
Trump: I barely know who she is
See no reason to doubt THAT statement. She was an intern.
Doubt she was in same league re: presidential access as Monica Lewinsky.
But she WAS there alright, as 45 "barely" acknowledges.
Frank Luntz @FrankLuntz · 28m Not only was today’s hearing devastating to Donald Trump, I’m told by law experts that people will end up in jail as a result.
Today’s hearings will have serious legal, political, and electoral consequences. Guaranteed.
Thing that strikes me as MOST devastating, is that today's revelations by as low-level as staffer as you can get above custodian.
Meaning that rest of the entourage are cowardly scum?
Good afternoon. Isn't it more likely that a Tory MP would defect to the LDs than Labour?
My MP in the (by that time- 2000?) very safe seat of Leominster, a longstanding Conservative MP and son of a Conservative MP, the very urbane Peter Temple-Morris crossed the floor (via Independent). He was made a Lord after the next election by Blair and never seemed to regret his decision. He was still involved in policy advising up to his death during the Corbyn era.
Am I correct in my reading that you see such a move as akin to trading the Maybach for a Moskvitch?
I don't really have any political biases, I'm just interested in psephology.
Frank Luntz @FrankLuntz · 28m Not only was today’s hearing devastating to Donald Trump, I’m told by law experts that people will end up in jail as a result.
Today’s hearings will have serious legal, political, and electoral consequences. Guaranteed.
And the big one - my Trump short to pay off. 🙂
My rationale was always that SOMETHING would happen to prevent the unhappenable.
Meaning that rest of the entourage are cowardly scum?
Yes, and we already knew that.
There has been a whole stream of weasels writing books about all the awful things Trump said and did that they never mentioned until the party was over and they could cash in. Cowardly scum is generous, hopefully justice will eventually get around to wringing their necks.
Good afternoon. Isn't it more likely that a Tory MP would defect to the LDs than Labour?
My MP in the (by that time- 2000?) very safe seat of Leominster, a longstanding Conservative MP and son of a Conservative MP, the very urbane Peter Temple-Morris crossed the floor (via Independent). He was made a Lord after the next election by Blair and never seemed to regret his decision. He was still involved in policy advising up to his death during the Corbyn era.
Am I correct in my reading that you see such a move as akin to trading the Maybach for a Moskvitch?
I don't really have any political biases, I'm just interested in psephology.
Did you hear about the scarecrow that became a psephologist?
Politico.com - Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 years in prison The sentence was the punctuation mark on a trial that explored the sordid rituals of a predator power couple who courted the rich and famous as they lured vulnerable girls and then exploited them.
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
The caps suggest that’s you, as much as America “wanting this”.
They won’t slam him in jail; they will drag him through the courts for a long, long time first.
Don’t be an arse. America is the last best guarantor of western freedom. It is bad enough it is in such perilous decline, I don’t want it convulsed in actual civil strife, turning away from its allies
Imagine the Ukraine war without America firmly behind us, supporting Europe. Putin would be in Riga by Friday and Warsaw by the weekend
I absolutely despise the American Left but right now, right this minute, the best thing that can happen and the first thing that must happen is this: the monstrous Trump should be dragged away and silenced, forever, but in a manner that somehow does not provoke his followers
How?
When you consider the bonkers nonsense that the American right have come up with and the fluency with which DJT lies, how is he brought down without his followers being provoked?
And the good right, who have sat on their hands for the last six years or so... what do they do? "I wasn't shocked before but now I am" is going to have to work awfully hard to cut it.
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
Clearly guilty but good luck getting a jury to convict......nothing has changed imo.
Do you mean, a federal jury in Southern District of New York?
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
The caps suggest that’s you, as much as America “wanting this”.
They won’t slam him in jail; they will drag him through the courts for a long, long time first.
Don’t be an arse. America is the last best guarantor of western freedom. It is bad enough it is in such perilous decline, I don’t want it convulsed in actual civil strife, turning away from its allies
Imagine the Ukraine war without America firmly behind us, supporting Europe. Putin would be in Riga by Friday and Warsaw by the weekend
I absolutely despise the American Left but right now, right this minute, the best thing that can happen and the first thing that must happen is this: the monstrous Trump should be dragged away and silenced, forever, but in a manner that somehow does not provoke his followers
They'll find a way. I don't know exactly who the 'they' are. Or exactly what the way is that they'll find. But they will find a way. Of that I am sure. Well almost.
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
The caps suggest that’s you, as much as America “wanting this”.
They won’t slam him in jail; they will drag him through the courts for a long, long time first.
Don’t be an arse. America is the last best guarantor of western freedom. It is bad enough it is in such perilous decline, I don’t want it convulsed in actual civil strife, turning away from its allies
Imagine the Ukraine war without America firmly behind us, supporting Europe. Putin would be in Riga by Friday and Warsaw by the weekend
I absolutely despise the American Left but right now, right this minute, the best thing that can happen and the first thing that must happen is this: the monstrous Trump should be dragged away and silenced, forever, but in a manner that somehow does not provoke his followers
If I’ve misinterpreted you, then I’m glad to be corrected.
But I think you misunderstand how this is likely to play out. One thing the US system is still really good at is dragging out these processes in a way that allows tempers to cool. Expect this to lead to a load more confirmatory witnesses.
By the end, Watergate bored the pants off half of America, but it did for Nixon.
Be wary of the Seth Abramson feed. Whilst in this case it looks solid and factual recounting of the testimony he does have a habit of wild editorialising at time with massive speculative anti-Trump stuff.
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
Clearly guilty but good luck getting a jury to convict......nothing has changed imo.
Do you mean, a federal jury in Southern District of New York?
No idea where it would be tried, but wouldn't even questions like that be passed up to the supreme court? Both taking ages and favouring Trump. Also, if the Republicans take control of the House as expected, can they use a further inquiry to hold up any court actions?
Politico.com - Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 years in prison The sentence was the punctuation mark on a trial that explored the sordid rituals of a predator power couple who courted the rich and famous as they lured vulnerable girls and then exploited them.
I remember when PB was properly exciting. One day a council by election in Newent, three days later, ANOTHER council by election in Newent, one after the other. Then at the weekend we’d talk about rugby league
Politico.com - Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 years in prison The sentence was the punctuation mark on a trial that explored the sordid rituals of a predator power couple who courted the rich and famous as they lured vulnerable girls and then exploited them.
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup. Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
It seems pretty obvious that he was delighted that people were rioting on his behalf. And I am sure witnesses have been leant on not to testify against him. That's not really new information; it's still not a coup, and I think it's a little naive to think this sort of show trial will shift the dial given the polarisation of the discussion. Those who sympathise with Trump will just see the Democrats settling scores. Those already outraged by Trump will be still more outraged.
Be wary of the Seth Abramson feed. Whilst in this case it looks solid and factual recounting of the testimony he does have a habit of wild editorialising at time with massive speculative anti-Trump stuff.
I haven't followed all of the testimony, but one thing that doesn't fit with the planned coup narrative is the number of people close to Trump who were obviously shocked and were warning him to tell people to go home. It suggests something more like a lone ego trip.
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
The caps suggest that’s you, as much as America “wanting this”.
They won’t slam him in jail; they will drag him through the courts for a long, long time first.
Don’t be an arse. America is the last best guarantor of western freedom. It is bad enough it is in such perilous decline, I don’t want it convulsed in actual civil strife, turning away from its allies
Imagine the Ukraine war without America firmly behind us, supporting Europe. Putin would be in Riga by Friday and Warsaw by the weekend
I absolutely despise the American Left but right now, right this minute, the best thing that can happen and the first thing that must happen is this: the monstrous Trump should be dragged away and silenced, forever, but in a manner that somehow does not provoke his followers
They'll find a way. I don't know exactly who the 'they' are. Or exactly what the way is that they'll find. But they will find a way. Of that I am sure. Well almost.
One of Trump's claims was that there was a shadowy Deep State in America secretly running things.
Let's hope he was right and they are about to lock him up to save democracy.
I haven't followed all of the testimony, but one thing that doesn't fit with the planned coup narrative is the number of people close to Trump who were obviously shocked and were warning him to tell people to go home. It suggests something more like a lone ego trip.
Those people were mostly Whitehouse staff, it's the GOP people who were egging him on.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=f0un-l1L8Zw
Why would anyon work for such a man? Scraps from the king's table are only appealing if you are starving, and most have at least some other options.
https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1541832337721286660
https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas-051733128.html
Turkey is a large powerful and geopolitically pivotal country, with crucial NATO bases. NATO needs to offer due respect, and has done so
Hungary is none of these things
I just think we're far more influenced by contemporary social mores than we'd care to admit.
Or maybe a forthcoming order for a few hundred of the Bayraktar drones.
Deputy Sheriff B. Fife of Mayberry, NC a proven crime-fighter truly dedicated to highest ideals of law enforcement.
So right there a step up from Met's usual suspects?
I can see one easy and desolating way this pans out. They try to arrest Trump so as to slam him in jail
Armed strife follows
Sometimes I think America WANTS this, They WANT the fight, it’s all going too far for talking
NY Times blog
Mrs Stodge returned last night from the monthly Police meeting and had a grim report of the current state of policing in Newham.
East Ham High Street is apparently a "crime hot spot" with widespread pickpocketing and other mostly non-violent thefts and anti-social behaviour especially but not exclusively in the evenings. This brought a delegation of store owners and tenants to the meeting to express their "disappointment" (let's say) at the lack of Police action.
The Beat Sergeant present (who I know and is the one for our patch) held very little back. Normally, each Ward would have a Sergeant, a dedicated Police Officer and a at least two PCOs. None of the East Ham Wards have that strength - most have one Sergeant and a PCO at present. Maintaining any kind of presence is now very difficult and means taking resources from other areas.
The closure of Police offices across the Borough (gleefully carried out by the then-Mayor of London (whatever happened to him?) under the instructions of the then-Home Secretary (whatever happened to her?) means any suspects taken into custody have to go to either Forest Gate or Stratford which takes officers off patrol for extended periods.
Yes, new officers have been recruited but most are not seeing out their basic training and are moving into better-paid work elsewhere. The shortage of workers affecting and distorting the whole economy is also being felt in terms of Police recruitment and more importantly retention.
This is explosive stuff. If Cassidy is making this up, they will need to say that. If she isn't they will have to corroborate.
I know her. I don't think she is lying.
https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541844207974899714
I would be leaving any large Trump nomination/second term positions open.
Particularly as it’s not expensive to lay at the moment.
I'll be toasting Donald's death when it comes.
This is the biggest political bombshell America has ever heard.
Ever.
And all wasted effort. Sad times.
At what point did political loyalty become more like religious devotion?
"Where Have All the Workers Gone?"
I've read conflicting reports suggesting up to half a million have left work since the start of the Pandemic and the number of economically inactive people is at a record level.
As staff leave and aren't replaced, what then for those left? Longer hours, more stress until they walk or are forced to go? It's a serious problem for which, it seems, no one in Government (or Opposition to be fair) and a problem to which no one in Government (or Opposition to be fair) has any solutions.
One might have thought spending money on improving business processes and especially using more automaton might be an approach but that would be a sea change after years of cheap and plentiful labour but one which businesses and institutions might want to consider if possible or practical.
Anecdotally, I hear of big problems within the adult social care sector, both private and public, concerning retention of qualified social workers and key carers.
There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup.
Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here
https://twitter.com/MickMulvaney/status/1541858206720434179
Not some rando’s opinion - acting White House chief of staff 2019-2020.
But let's me not refight things from only yesterday. I'll go mad if I keep doing that.
Seth Abramson
Trump: I barely know who she is
They won’t slam him in jail; they will drag him through the courts for a long, long time first.
Although McBride was not an attractive woman, and I doubt Brown was attracted to him in the least. At least looks-wise.
Politicians have oddly bad memories sometimes...
Imagine the Ukraine war without America firmly behind us, supporting Europe. Putin would be in Riga by Friday and Warsaw by the weekend
I absolutely despise the American Left but right now, right this minute, the best thing that can happen and the first thing that must happen is this: the monstrous Trump should be dragged away and silenced, forever, but in a manner that somehow does not provoke his followers
Am I correct in my reading that you see such a move as akin to trading the Maybach for a Moskvitch?
The sentence was the punctuation mark on a trial that explored the sordid rituals of a predator power couple who courted the rich and famous as they lured vulnerable girls and then exploited them.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/28/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-jeffrey-epstein-00042874
Seems value to me, FWIW.
My guess is that it doesn’t stay under 3 for many more days.
His words and actions encouraged a mob to storm a legislature with the intent of preventing a lawful transfer of power, so that their preferred leader could remain in office, and we know his aides explored ways to achieve the same end.
That's a coup attempt.
I agree it won't shift the dial at all, but even if it is a 'show trial', there seems to be some shocking stuff being shown that should lead some people to question themselves, even though it won't.
Frank Luntz
@FrankLuntz
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28m
Not only was today’s hearing devastating to Donald Trump, I’m told by law experts that people will end up in jail as a result.
Today’s hearings will have serious legal, political, and electoral consequences. Guaranteed.
Frank Luntz
@FrankLuntz
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49m
Also: Cassidy Hutchinson is testifying under oath – her detractors on Truth Social are not.
If she’s lying, she will go to jail.
@BillKristol
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A sign of hope for America:
Bennie Thompson, a Democratic member of Congress born in segregated Mississippi; Liz Cheney, a Republican member of Congress risking her political future; and Cassidy Hutchinson, a young woman telling the truth when her elders have avoided doing so.
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1541849620963368963
I remember when PB was properly exciting. One day a council by election in Newent, three days later, ANOTHER council by election in Newent, one after the other. Then at the weekend we’d talk about rugby league
Doubt she was in same league re: presidential access as Monica Lewinsky.
But she WAS there alright, as 45 "barely" acknowledges.
Meaning that rest of the entourage are cowardly scum?
My rationale was always that SOMETHING would happen to prevent the unhappenable.
Could this be it?
There has been a whole stream of weasels writing books about all the awful things Trump said and did that they never mentioned until the party was over and they could cash in. Cowardly scum is generous, hopefully justice will eventually get around to wringing their necks.
He was really into straw polls...
When you consider the bonkers nonsense that the American right have come up with and the fluency with which DJT lies, how is he brought down without his followers being provoked?
And the good right, who have sat on their hands for the last six years or so... what do they do? "I wasn't shocked before but now I am" is going to have to work awfully hard to cut it.
But I think you misunderstand how this is likely to play out. One thing the US system is still really good at is dragging out these processes in a way that allows tempers to cool.
Expect this to lead to a load more confirmatory witnesses.
By the end, Watergate bored the pants off half of America, but it did for Nixon.
Fact that she got book thrown at her NOT a surprise; opposite would have been.
Let's hope he was right and they are about to lock him up to save democracy.